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#574 - Joey Bada$$ on ‘Lonely At The Top’, TDE Ties, West Coast ‘Beef’, Ab-Soul, & Capital Steez · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I know when I talked to Ray, he was saying
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  Speaker 1: he was by Kendrick was hearing stuff before it was
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  Speaker 1: coming out, like he would like float it over to him.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that, which is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Any dialogue or anything between you and Kado during this entire.
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  Speaker 3: Not direct, like I said, like, it's love and it's
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  Speaker 3: always been love and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: is how it was done.
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  Speaker 4: Yo.
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  Speaker 1: is there you might hear. Let's get into the interview.
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  Speaker 1: All right, man, boutleg here podcast. We are here with
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  Speaker 1: my dog Joey Badass.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sure you are.
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  Speaker 1: You are currently man. First of all, I gotta say
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  Speaker 1: dog like, you know, when we have these conversations, There's
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  Speaker 1: been a lot of conversations about New York Top fifty
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  Speaker 1: and you know, just I feel like the conversations recently
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  Speaker 1: about hip hop, I feel like have been in the
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  Speaker 1: right space, people debating about who's the great. But I
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  Speaker 1: gotta give your flowers off the writ man. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like when we talk about like the last fifteen years,
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  Speaker 1: because twenty twelve was thirteen years ago. Yeah, you are
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  Speaker 1: one of the ghosts. Brother, appreciate that, Yes, sir, Man, Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know people don't know man, I know you
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  Speaker 2: for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You could go on YouTube and you can see
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  Speaker 1: me on the bus when him and ABSO was on tour,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember that was in Phoenix and then in
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  Speaker 1: Tampa and I'll be pulling out. I remember listening to
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  Speaker 1: Before the Money, like fuck a year before it came out,
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  Speaker 1: some of those records, like you know.
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  Speaker 2: What's the great thing about that? If you missed when
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  Speaker 2: me as show was on tour, like if you missed it,
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  Speaker 2: if you wasn't able to attend back in twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 2: We're going back on tour this year, so stay tuned
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  Speaker 2: for that. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, can you give me because you guys obviously
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  Speaker 1: have such a long relationship, long friendship and one of
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  Speaker 1: the purest, dopest moments in recent memory. I think about
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  Speaker 1: Jada kissing the verses and then fast forward. I got
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  Speaker 1: that same feeling as a fan when you Big Sean
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  Speaker 1: and absoluted the Red Bull cipher. Yet, what was the
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  Speaker 1: communication like with you in Seoul when you were like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we gotta do something Like what was that?
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  Speaker 1: What was that like?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, man shout out to my soul brother,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like me and so go
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  Speaker 3: way back, and it's really deeper than rap with us,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like I met I met
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  Speaker 3: so Kendrick q Jay rock Oland when I was like sixteen,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because when they used to come out to
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  Speaker 3: New York, they used to mess.
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  Speaker 2: With my manager, Like my manager would hold them down.
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  Speaker 3: Johnny Ships, who's my manager at the time, He used
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  Speaker 3: to hold them down. So I remember literally like it
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  Speaker 3: was one day after school. He's like, yo, pull it
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  Speaker 3: to the studio and we was already tapped in with them.
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  Speaker 3: And it's interesting because as so was my entry to TD.
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  Speaker 3: I remember the first thing that I saw was to
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  Speaker 3: turn me up song and video. It's future in ketchick Lamar.
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  Speaker 2: Actually yeah. And I remember seeing av Soul and just
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  Speaker 2: being like, damn, like I ain't never seen nothing like
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  Speaker 2: this in this modern time, like a rapper like him.
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  Speaker 3: Like the swag that he had, the wittiness, the cleverness,
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  Speaker 3: and I would just I was just like really into it,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I thought I thought at
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  Speaker 3: this time, I thought Kendrick was cool, but I thought
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  Speaker 3: Ad was like the star, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: And then uh, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, one thing led to another and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: me going down that wrap a hole listening to as
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  Speaker 3: So he had more songs with Kendrick, and then I
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  Speaker 3: got into Kendrick and Kendrick got me into Q and
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  Speaker 3: I saw they had the Black Kapy joint. So the
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  Speaker 3: fast forward back the I want to say this was
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  Speaker 3: twenty eleven. You know, my manager at the time, Shipes
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  Speaker 3: told us to come to the studio and it's funny
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  Speaker 3: because you know, solely even said it on the post
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  Speaker 3: battle record and he dropped and it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: these little niggas on skateboards.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, fast, that's how we met, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. We came through that business. It was singing.
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  Speaker 3: We all had our boards on us, and we just
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  Speaker 3: sat there and just was kind of observing the process
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  Speaker 3: and you know, long behold like we was definitely soaking
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  Speaker 3: up game for sure, you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 3: fast forward a couple more years later, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: did the tour together and the Bonds and you know,
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  Speaker 3: everything strengthened the sea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Smokers Club. But before that, we got in the studio.
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  Speaker 3: We did Into the Void yep and all that, and
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  Speaker 3: that was like the first time that we really hung out.
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, when I met them.
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  Speaker 3: At first, it was just kind of like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: we flies on the wall, they doing they thing.
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  Speaker 2: But then Sola and I got in the studio.
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  Speaker 3: We did the End of the Void joint from twenty twelve,
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  Speaker 3: and then after that, like you know, we was just
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  Speaker 3: pretty much locked in and a lot of the ideologies
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  Speaker 3: and the mindset was the same, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: so we we connected and Sole even mestige before he passed.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know after that, like Sol got the
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  Speaker 3: forty seven tattered. So best friend and brother Doe Burger,
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  Speaker 3: who was on the tour with us too, at twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 3: they both got the full seventh tattered. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: this brotherhood runs deep. It runs way deeper than people
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  Speaker 3: may know or people made think. Shit, this is a
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  Speaker 3: video of me and so back at twenty thirty team
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  Speaker 3: on the internet of us getting arrested together at Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 2: And miss on the tour.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Here Doe broke in the back like, hey, free, soul
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  Speaker 2: free Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Hey scary, scary random city to get arrested.
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  Speaker 2: To nah for sure because this is like right after
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  Speaker 2: the Michael Brown shit happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy because in the video it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I can say this now, but I was I was
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  Speaker 3: off shrooms, so it's like I'm getting they putting the
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  Speaker 3: handcuffs on me, and I just think it's the funniest
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  Speaker 3: shit ever. And I'm talking to the comp like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: have you figured out why I'm in these handcuffs?
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  Speaker 1: Why were you bro?
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  Speaker 3: Because we were walking around the hotel that that we
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  Speaker 3: rented out while black.
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  Speaker 2: That was it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, somebody tipped off the police that I guess
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  Speaker 3: they throw some suspicious dudes was walking around the hotel.
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  Speaker 2: And like, bro, it wasn't even like it was a
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  Speaker 2: fucking four seasons. It was like a best lestern. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck we going? You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Cos pulled up and he was just mad.
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  Speaker 3: He had the KNA in the back and he was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you see that k y'all literally was to cut.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, man, like you need a hug because
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  Speaker 2: you was just so mad.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, yo.
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  Speaker 2: Monument and that was the shooms though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're like trying to like, but yo,
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  Speaker 3: go beat that video though it's a classic. Every now
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  Speaker 3: and again, I always go back and watch it. It's
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  Speaker 3: just it's just such a funny moment to me, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And so just over there like Joey,
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  Speaker 3: shut up the chill.
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  Speaker 1: So what's your guys' discussion with each other going into this.
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  Speaker 4: Ready for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So okay, so we got the so so Red
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  Speaker 2: Bull reached out to.
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  Speaker 3: Me and it was kind of like, you know, on
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  Speaker 3: me to pick who I wanted to you know, do
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  Speaker 3: the cipher with or whatever. So you know, so came
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  Speaker 3: to my mind verse and then were trying to find
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  Speaker 3: the third person and then somebody said big Sean like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: perfect so that you know, so hit my line like
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  Speaker 3: right away, like you know, we was both He's like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we gotta make a movie out of this joint.
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  Speaker 3: This at a third and you know, we went back
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  Speaker 3: and forth like a couple of ideas that were just
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  Speaker 3: gonna do, and he was like, Yo, we should kind
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  Speaker 3: of just.
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  Speaker 2: Like all like battle with each other in.
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  Speaker 3: A way like you know what I'm saying, like on
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  Speaker 3: some own friendly, fading type of joint.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, I love that. That's genius.
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  Speaker 3: So when I heard soul verse, I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm glad he took that approach because
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  Speaker 3: you know, he mentioned Ray, he mentioned Day, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't give it a direct response, had to talk.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, you know what, this is the perfect
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to kind of speak on it, like Soula's head.
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  Speaker 3: And then we just kind of went in it with that,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, Sean did his thing as well,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I got I gotta I gotta give
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  Speaker 3: a lot of credit to so for it because he
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  Speaker 3: kind of masterminded it in a way, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean, where.
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  Speaker 2: He was just like, Yo, this is the move, Like
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  Speaker 2: trust me, we should do it like this boy boy.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just like, you know, I even hesitate,
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  Speaker 3: like I just I just kind of followed this leader.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm glad we did because you know, look at
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  Speaker 3: the outcome, and I think it was beautiful to just
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  Speaker 3: kind of showcase that we could we could have a
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  Speaker 3: moment like that in twenty twenty five, like this is
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  Speaker 3: hip hop and that's the type of shit, like even
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  Speaker 3: at being decipher, you know what I'm saying that you
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  Speaker 3: got these three prolific artists here and showcasing something that
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  Speaker 3: is the true essence of what hip hop is. It's
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: like we get in there and we all trying to
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  Speaker 3: whip each other's as well. We all trying to you know, compete,
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  Speaker 3: We all trying to say the slickest shit.
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  Speaker 2: It was just beautiful. Man.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out the shoul shout out the Big Sean, shout
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  Speaker 3: out the redel, shout the hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming you didn't have any sort of heads up
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  Speaker 1: on any like you heard his ship for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: and when when you guys recorded it, his his his
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  Speaker 1: Like did you did you.
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  Speaker 2: Guys this out now? No?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't hear shit for the first time recorded it,
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  Speaker 3: and he didn't hit my ship for the first time
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  Speaker 3: when we recorded it neither, the big shofe.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So the night before, you know, there was like
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  Speaker 2: this world read that you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, maybe we wouldn't you know, maybe maybe maybe somebody
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  Speaker 3: would have been able to memorize their line. So we
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: went to Sean Cribb and we recorded it as a
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  Speaker 3: track first, just to kind of like go over like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just kind of saying to you when he
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  Speaker 3: got there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know that makes sense. But at that
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  Speaker 2: moment we did that, I was like, the other guys
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  Speaker 2: that's going here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and we'll get to that. But I'm like,
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: you know, the other guys that's going here. Because we
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  Speaker 2: recorded that in March, it ain't come out to what
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: was that late main early May or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Like, that's kind of do I mean, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that it took two months to drop and it didn't
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  Speaker 1: get out.
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  Speaker 2: There so yeah, I mean, it adn't get out there
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  Speaker 2: to the public.
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  Speaker 1: But everybody kind of knew what was coming here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they heard what was said, you know what I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying and anything. So I already knew. I smelled the lineup.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, if I'm them and I
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  Speaker 3: and I got this intel and I heard the ship.
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: What Joey said before to me, I'm gonna be ready
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  Speaker 3: as soon as the ship dropped and so and sure enough,
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  Speaker 3: that's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's funny too because I think about kind
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: of like the timeline because you had originally said the
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  Speaker 1: line that got everybody's tannies in a bunch on the
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  Speaker 1: West coast, and was it January?
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: Yep, Genuary first to be exact. Uh so top of
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: the year shooting and their for New Year's right.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know that's a yeah. Everybody from La
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of took that as a nice opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to get, you know, to get their ship off.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it brought a lot of eyes to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of dope people like my, my, my, my bros. The
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: Coyotes did their freestyle. I don't know if you've seen
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: the Mexican Brothers, Coyote from La they did their ship
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: towards you, but they're they're fucking incredibly they actually worked.
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: With shipes but seeing but it was so many people.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: But anybody who's like a hip hop fan knows that
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  Speaker 1: that's a og Hove line, right right. And so it did.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it made I mean, I guess when you
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  Speaker 1: put that into that record and you kind of you
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: had any idea that, yeah, I'm paying I'm paying how
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: much to hope, but I also know this is gonna
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: this might ruffle uh.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: Like, I didn't think that it was gonna ruffle feathers
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: to the degree of which you're roughly feathers, you know.
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: I was really more honed than on the fact that like, yeah,
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: you know what, maybe some people be confused, but I
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: expected that if they did, they researched and they would know,
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: you know, what my tide to the West was and
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: be able to be like, okay, yeah, like you.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Give people a lot of credit pe point nah, No,
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And I said it.
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  Speaker 3: I said it, you know, like, you know, maybe that
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  Speaker 3: was a misstep on my part, was thinking that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: people wouldn't get offended by that, because truthfully, I didn't
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: think it would be to that degree, So I admit
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: if that was a miss step, but just for me
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: from an attention standpoint, like it was very playful, right,
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  Speaker 3: But I think the main point was that my understanding
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: is when it comes to the West Coast and my
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: ties to the West Coast, we just talked about it
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  Speaker 3: like this is ten years d you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: So if anybody been supporting and rocking with the West
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: and what we just saw from the West, it's been
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: Joe from day zero, you know what I mean. So
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of the referring to the too much West
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: Coast dicklicking is all the new fucking band wagoners.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: What the fuck was y'all at?
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  Speaker 3: Because I've been here and I'm seeing a lot of
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: people now jump shit and now all of a sudden
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: is oh, it's this, But I've been here.
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  Speaker 2: Though, you know. And on top of that point, it's
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  Speaker 2: like I think.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lot of sensitivity because I'm a New
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  Speaker 3: York nigga, Yeah, Brooklyn nigga, And that's just how we talk.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: We'll say that about our own man's, like we'll walk
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: away from my man's having a moment because we feel
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: like niggas is dick riding and you can say whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want to say about this. That's not saying personally
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  Speaker 3: y'all do right right now. Yeah, it's just the nature
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  Speaker 3: of like East Coast New York niggas. You know what
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like niggas dick ridding. You know what I'm saying, Like,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not like us hating. It's just like I'm
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: not going to participating to dick riding. It's just I
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: ain't doing that, you know what I mean. But the
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: main point is that though it's like, Yo, who the
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: fuck is y'all niggas? This ship been going down for
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: a long time.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: It's crazy to hear. The main intent of that line
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: was to kind of the opposite of how people took it,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: like yo, y'all dick riding the West Coast. But I've
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: been supporting this shit ain't new And it's like, walcome
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  Speaker 1: to the party.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: Almost record is there? Yeah, I just ain't just talking
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: on my ass. It's like you could you could go
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: do the research. It's only look at me, and I'm
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: so getting the rested. In twenty thirteen, Yeah.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like people there's a lot of
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: like surface level new fans of hip hop that don't
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: understand the really like the roots of you know, Schoolboy
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Q and Asam Rocky and Macniller and you and ab
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Soul and just that that synergy that's always been there
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: between TDE and New York. It's always been.
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  Speaker 2: Bro you know.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: And I think I can't remember who said it. I
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: think it was Kendrick when he had linked up with Ferg.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Ferg, it's my brother. But there was
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: a video they was having a dialogue and he was
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: telling Ferg. He's like, yeah, like you know, back in
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: the day, we had to come to New York and
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of people thought that we was from New York.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: This is what Kendrick was saying, Like they thought that
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: they was from New York because you know.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: The sound and.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Everything, and I mean they weren't being as embraced back home.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: It was this side who was embracing the movement one
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: hundred percent, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, you
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: know it was it was a little refusing to me
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: to see people, you know, take it like that. But
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: like I said, man, I'm free game, I'm a public
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: figure and I think it was an opportunity for people,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: and if I was on that side, I'd see that.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I'd see it as an opportunity as well, and I
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: would take it. And I think it was It was
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: good at the end of the day for the culture.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know what came out of that
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: cipher was obviously kind of straighted all back up, and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: we got like two weeks straight up, just like I mean,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: you were fucking dropping dog like and the knickxer and
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: in playoff and you know, uh, you know, shout out
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: to Rayvaughn for for stepping up to the you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: stepping up to the moment and and being on top
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: of them in daylight everybody. Yeah. I had to show
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Rayvon when we were walking into the studio because you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: on one of his dishes he said that you ain't
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: got no plan. So when we walked in, I said,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I gotta devastated plaque in my hallway. I said, hey, hey,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: ray you see what that is? I said, Joey badass plaque.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: It says platinum, that is man.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And it's funny too because that was
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: like probably one of the reoccurring lines that he was
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: using and I was like.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Should I readbut this?
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Like I'm literally sitting in my studio recording the shit
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: and this blacks all on the wall, you know what
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I mean. But I'm like, uh, I feel like if
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I rebuttle this, it's like it's like it affected me
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: or something like that, you know what I mean.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: So I was just like, whatever, you know, your friend?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Are you with that? You you? The funniest thing that
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I think came out of this was the td East
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: website and you trademarking TD east.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The top though.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Obviously, yeah, what so does Top reach out to you?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Do you give it? Like like because obviously you guys
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: have a relationship absolutely And it was funny and you
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: had to go get the record on go to TDS
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: dot com and it's right there. What was the thought
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: process with that? And was there any like recon to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: make sure like, hey, are we good?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: We're good?
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: It definitely was, you know what I mean. Like Top
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: definitely hit me after the td S thing and he
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: was just like, Yo, that is hilarious.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: That is genius.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like that shit kind of got a ring to it, right,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and he like, yeah, really do I'm like we might
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: have to have a conversation for real, but not at
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: a point in the beginning. It was definitely like because
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: after I dropped the rulers back and I've seen the response,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Like I definitely hit a few of my people over
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: on that side, like I hit Soul, I hit top.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, like, how y'all feeling you know what
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I have to just check the temperature real quick.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And everybody was like nah, like you know, we know
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: where you're coming from, Like we always love this that
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: and the I'm like, okay, cool, because that's what I assume.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: But you know, there's people who don't know that, or
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: who don't know the synergy that exists between us, who
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: you know, was taking it a whole different way.
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  Speaker 1: I know when I talked to Ray, he was saying
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: he was like Kendrick was hearing stuff before it was
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: coming out. He would like float it over to him.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I saw that, which is interesting.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: You know, very interesting.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Any dialogue or anything between you and Kado during this entire.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Not direct, but so did tell me that, you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: he salute and you know he loved what I was
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: doing and all that show told me that when you
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: ran into Kendrick at the at the show, God told
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: him to tell me.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: That that stuff.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know it's it's like I said, like,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: it's love and it's always been love, and yeah, you.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Know we're showing people that this is this is how
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: it was done.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that there's there's like this
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: gross like misunderstanding of hip hop history when people say
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: shit about your career and I'm like, hey, like, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: don't think you understand, Like, first of all, this is
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: somebody who came out of the blog era, you know
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, somebody who really laid the foundation for
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: so much Like you know what I'm saying, Like, I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: feel like you kind of you made it. You brought
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like the shit we love to like a demographic that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: didn't know that they loved it yet when you were
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: seventeen years old dropping nineteen ninety nine, you know what
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, it was like it was it was one
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of those real pivotal moments and hip hop Like. But yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, I think that the one
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: thing with this Kendrick and Drake thing is that you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about the results and and uh,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know how it went down. It felt like there
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: was a bit of a page turning in the Book
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of Hip Hop where people were paying attention to the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: right ship again. And by that I mean like breaking
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: down records and like dissecting lyrics.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and uh, the lyrics have a have a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: new found not a new found, but lyrics are like
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: important again.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'd rather watch some random YouTuber breakdown you
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and Ray Vaughn's bars or Kendrick's euphoria. Then I'd rather,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know, watch a fucking some somebody breaking down what
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: happened with Julio Fulio and fucking Young and Ace. You know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but do you like like that's my thing? Man? Is
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: is you know? You are very I always say this.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I say, you can't make timeless music unless you take
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: your time on it. And you are somebody who's always
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: taking your time when it comes to putting out music.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You're super intentional with it. Are like, are you inspired
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: right now? Because you are? You are in your bag.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I am so inspired.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I'm so inspired, And I'm glad you asked that question
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: because I always look at inspiration like this metaphorical bucket
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: that you always got, and it's not always full.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you run and lost. Sometimes it's just a drop
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: in there, and it's like kind of gotta wait and
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: let life happen and see, you know where you could
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: fill the bucket up at. And you know, right now
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I gotta says minus minus Overflund, like I am so energized,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: so inspired, so charged up.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You know, got this new album and I'm about to drop,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Got a lot of new music, a lot of new
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: music that I'm excited to share. And I just think that,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you know, even which is transpired, I feel like it
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: kind of opened up a new door for me where
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like my whole career I kind of had
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: people trying to box me and you know, tell me
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: what I couldn't do and set these parameters around my sound.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: And I feel like now that Kate is open and
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh no, Like we actually want to see Joey.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Experiment right now. We want to see what else Joey
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: could do.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Because Joey has made his point of how well he
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: can rap. What else did joe get? Yeah, it's like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: you know, like we want to see Joey progress to
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: a new level. And I feel like I was kind
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: of it's the word I was like almost not allowed
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to make certain sounds or to have certain attempts or
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: you know, go in certain directions because people just felt
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like my sound should have been this one thing.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It's funny because I feel like I remember people not
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: loving Devastating. People had to Devastation, Like you're like, because
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: it wasn't but it's fucking and like what are we
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: And you know what's funny? You know what Devastated taught me?
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Because Devastated taught me the power of polarity. M Because
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: as much as people hated it, like you know, my Nichse,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: my fan base, my core, there was a whole other
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: side that loved it, which was you know, more of
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: the casual listener, more the people who wasn't familiar familiar.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: With me, and you gained new fans off that record.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: So, now when I'm faced with those type of records
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: that are polarizing, because you know, I have this really
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: clear process of how I share my music with, like
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: my trusted friends and individuals who airs our trust.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And now once I see that polarity on certain records,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: That's the one. M hm, that's the one, you know.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: So I'm excited. We are shooting outside in New Jersey.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: So the bugs are bugging, you know what I'm saying.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: But it's it's beautiful.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not just glitching.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, there's some there are. Let's be clear,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: We're going to have a couple of I mean, yeah, there's.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not wash it upon ourselves. For sure. The
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: bugs is bugging, for sure.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yo. I do want to touch on a record that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I think encapsulates a time period of hip hop that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I have two eras that I was like
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: alive and like you know, I'm thirty eight, so I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: was born in eighty seven, right, so you know I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: remember I was a type of kid who would get
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the source magazines and then go back and buy all
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the five mic albums, you know what I mean, because
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of that ship I was five
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: six for you know, style was the first rap I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: really fell in love with as like little ass kid,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: but you know, as like a like a dude. It
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: was the fifty cent gu in the era and then
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: this this blog era that was so special and one
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Train is a record then I listened to so much
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: for as old as it is, and it's it's you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I think for my money is the best posse felt
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: in the last you know, fifteen years or so. A
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: lot of people saying it's like the Black Hippy Shittle.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I think that record is just different.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Can you just kind of tell me, like, did you
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: ever go back and listen and and and just from
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: your memory, just how that record came about? Did you
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: hear anyone's versus? And you know, I do feel like
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: it's one of those time stamps in hip hop or if.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: You want to know what it was like for an
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: era of dudes and everybody was on there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, shout out to that, shout out to flock on.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I remember how it happened, and I was, you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: me and Rockey we used to work out of the
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: same studio and Quad studios. Well, he will work on
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: QUI like like that building had a punch of different
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: right hands on the ask, you know. So he will
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: work for Quad on what was at the tenth Ward
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: and I will be in the mail with Sixth for
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: a while.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: So I remember one day, you know, I was there
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and he came down.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: And I even know he was upstairs, but he came
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: down because he heard I was down there, and he
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: was like yo, I got this record.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: You know. Obviously at the time he's on fire. I'm
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: on fire.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: So he's like, yeah, I got this record for you,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and I play for you. I'm like, I bet you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: say less. So you know, I went upstairs.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And I can't remember if Kendrick was on it at
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that time or not. That I can't remember, but.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I do feel like it was it was definitely his verse,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: and I want to say it maybe somebody else verse.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I can't remember that somebody.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Else was Kendrick than that, but either way, once he
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: played that for me and he told me what the
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: objective was, I was like, say Less, what did he say?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Attracted was that he was gonna get it all all
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: these differently, you know what I'm saying. And I was like, oh, Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: first of all, I thought it was dope. I thought
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: that was a super dope. But I did, you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: because I was doing postive cuts at the time, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: with my crew, right, you know, so I thought it
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: was it was tight that he was putting together this
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: posse cut with everybody from that generation, all of the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: like we was all the newcomers at the times.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Me it was it was flock old.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: It's Dot, there was Yellow Yellow, Woe bron that Bronson,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Danny Brown like it was. It was a crazy, crazy lineup.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: But I just remember being like, man, say, let's like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go hard on this.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Ship, yo'. It's crazy too, because you know, I feel
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: like you're one of the few artists that you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: we've actually watched you grow up in real time coming
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to the game, you know, as a kid, and and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you never you never came off like a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: kid though musically interview wise, if you meet you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: anytime anybody would ever talk to When I first met you,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we always hear like, there's the gift in the curse
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of being that young and getting a certain amount of fame,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of money, a certain amount of notoriety.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: But you seem to have, you know, really navigated that spectacularly.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Was it tough though? Was it ever tough like going
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: through being who you were, being a kid while also being.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Joey Bad. Yeah? Absolutely, you know, there was a few
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: things that was tough for me, right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I think one what I was dealing with heavily at
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: the time, and I didn't I didn't even know I
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: was dealing with it with Survivor's Guild.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Mmmm.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: That was making me overcompensate so much, like trying to
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: do the most for the people to around me who
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: were seeing the same successesly, you know, because like I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: could feel the energy, but then I'd feel a little
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: bit insecure about own success because I'm like, you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: it's so many opportunities back in that time that I
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: passed up on, well not that I passed up on,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: but that I had I had to pass up on
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: because my mentality was like, yo, if we can't all go,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: we don't go, you know.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: So it was a lot of rooms.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And stuff, like a lot of hotel rooms, a lot
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of travel, a lot of.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Now hotel rooms like rooms, I mean like literal like
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: you know, the rooms that you could be in, rooms
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: that I could be in, tables that I could sit at,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: right that I didn't go into because the invite was
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: for me, and I didn't really understand that at the time.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, in hindsight, I realized, you know, how
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: much of a misstep that was for me, you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: because it's like the the incline could have been way
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: much faster for me.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: But there was a lot of times where I deliberately
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: got in the way or I slowed down the process
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: because one I was trying to bring anybody with.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Me, and then two I just wasn't sure that I
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: actually wanted that life, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I think I was a little bit afraid of it,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: where it's just like, yo, what is it gonna do
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: to me? You know, because I was so young, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: it's like in a lot of ways, I was very
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: impressionable still, Yeah, and I was a little bit fearful
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: of what it would turn me into if I moved
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: too fast into it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, we're just growing up here,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and all types of shit about the industry, like you
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, people selling these souls, this, that
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and the third.
• 31:29
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  Speaker 1: let's get back to the interview of that.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of manifested into my trajectory, because there was a
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: lot of hesitation in the beginning that I purposely made
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: just out of really like, like I remember it was
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: one day and I was just sitting in a car,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, yo, like for some reason.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't let go the idea of.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Walking, of having to leave behind the idea of walking
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: down to New.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: York City street. That was that was so hard for
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: me to like face.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Like almost like if I lean into fame, if I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: lean into this too much, I don't want.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: To lose that, right, Like that's a free you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: being a New York City kid. That's that's just a
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: part of my identity is navigating the streets.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, how not how I've always been
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: like if you want to what walk down and get
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  Speaker 1: a bacon egg and cheese. I want to go get
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: a bacon egg and Jus, I don't want to have
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to get a I gotta get scary to get insistent exactly.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You said that that was a mistake maybe in highsight,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: but you're still like fully intact energy. Why like, could
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the trade off have been a faster incline but at
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the expensive of yourself maybe, right, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you know, listen, man, One thing I've come
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  Speaker 3: to learn is that things happen the way that.
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  Speaker 4: They're supposed to do. They're supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Happen, you know, like God has a plan, and I
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: think that this is all part of what his plan
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  Speaker 3: was for me, you know. And I think that whatever
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I was feeling at the time when I was younger,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I was telling me, whoa slow down or be cautious,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I think that was intuition and that that that intuition
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: was was was a godly element that was warning me
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  Speaker 3: of something, and you know, which ultimately led me to
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: take the power that I took, whether it be to
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: you know, not into rooms so soon or whatever. You know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I think that it all played a part on in
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the man that you see today. And it's like, you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I'm grateful, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I'm grateful. I feel like throughout every point in my
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: career is always felt like I'm at a new beginning,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: and I think that's not something that everyone always experiences, So,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: you know, for that alone, I'm like, even right now,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: it's like, man, I'm so excited to.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Share this new body of work and.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: You know, tour again and collaborate and yeah, like I'm
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: just pumped this new album.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Talk to me about it because right now, you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: like you said, the inspiration is overflowing. Yeah, the appetite
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like for Joey's for lyrics, for Joey Badass,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: for this ship is is. I also feel like the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: fan base wants it, you know, for you like what
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like give me you say you're taking Are you taking
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: some risks on this album sonically? Are you? Because you say,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: are you trying new ship?
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely taking some calculated risks,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: you know, trying new ship.
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  Speaker 1: I heard her boy Static's got some beats on there,
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  Speaker 1: which is very because I think he's my favorite producer
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  Speaker 1: you work with. When you guys work together, it's like butter.
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  Speaker 3: Static always gonna have some beats on my ship. Man,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: you know that's shout out the static. It's my big bro.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, man, listen, I'm excited about this joint.
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  Speaker 4: The joint. The album is called Lonely at the Top.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it got you know, we got some good features
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  Speaker 3: on there.
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  Speaker 4: Uh we got.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's just a great body of work. And
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: you know, I feel like it doesn't overstay. Its welcome.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: It's a good like thirty five minutes, you know, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: it does everything that it needs to do. And then
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: by the time you're fucking fully emerging and joining it,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: this is over running back.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: We always have to we do have to wait some
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: years between projects with you it. Uh are you battery
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in your back? Because you have so much that you do.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Obviously you're an actor, You're very successful actor, You're a model,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you know. I remember I was going to the mall
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: one day and I saw it. I don't even I
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: don't remember. It was a Colonne or something. I was like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, I was like, this is fucking crazy.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But but you have so much happening, so much going on.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But like you know, you got I feel like right
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: now is you know, like you said, you gotta do
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  Speaker 1: something with that inspiration that's overflowing. It is it is
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: this like a taste or and then we got to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: wait a while? Or are you fully d you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: are you already planning out the next thing? Are you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: living in the moment? Like, Yeah, we got some some serious.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Serious outdoor like it's a lot.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're outside, it's a bugs.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I'm being very careful with what I'm saying because what
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do, what I've done in the.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Past is rile the vans up, create false expectations, create
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: false expect expectations.
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  Speaker 4: But I can't confidently say that.
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  Speaker 3: There will not be another year's long gap from this
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  Speaker 3: joint in the next joint.
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  Speaker 4: Like, what I can say is that I have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of music, and.
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  Speaker 3: I'll even go as far as say that, you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: before everything that transpired this year, there was another project
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: that was being worked on. So what you're about to
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: hear with Lonely at the top is what I've made
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: in like the last month. Oh so while you're in
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: this pocket, yeah, and when I'm in this pocket using
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: this energy, this inspiration, I've been just locked in, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I felt like, because the
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: direction that I'm going after this is much needed and
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: that's more of a conceptual piece of work. But this
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: is more like I understand my signment right now.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You understand your signment right now. You understand what the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: people are looking for you to do at this moment, at.
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  Speaker 3: This moment, and that's what Lonely at the Top is
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: so but follow.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: The conceptual album is there, it's been worked on.
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  Speaker 4: But it's all I'm gonna say is a lot of music.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: A lot already said too much, But there's a lot
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of music, and I'm excited, you know, like, without a
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: doubt there won't be another year.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: As long as I like to hear that, I always wonder, man.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I recently dealt with my boy art the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Beasts passing away. It was a really good friend of
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: mine and and and fucked me up for a while,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you know, all this time after Capital Steeze is passing, like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel like he was one of them
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: guys in pro era who you know, he had the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: biggest footprint on nineteen ninety nine and he was such
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a talented guy.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: You know, is there is there anything about Steves that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe people didn't know about you know that, Yeah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't really get to like really
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: enjoy him as fans as long as as as you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: he wasn't here that long.
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  Speaker 4: Listen man, Steez.
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  Speaker 3: To this day, I haven't met a person like Steve.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: He was really a one of a kind individual. And
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  Speaker 3: it's just crazy when I think about it, because I'm like, man,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: you know they say that that that that that's saying
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: the good die young, and it's just like it's a
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: it's a trippy thing to acknowledge because I'm like, yo,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: my man was really exceptional as just a human being,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: and I don't even think that words can do justice
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: up to like just who he was and the man
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  Speaker 3: he was and the influence that he had in his
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: short time here, And like I still look up to him,
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  Speaker 3: and I realized that that was a nineteen version, nineteen
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  Speaker 3: year old version of him. So I'm still looking up
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: to a nineteen year old Like I'm thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Now right, you know what I mean?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: You just made me feel so old.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: It's wow as wow, you know that that idea I
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: hear that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I hear that in my mind a lot, like I
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: faced that a lot where it's it's like, dang, like
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Steevez was nineteen and I'm thirty and I'm still like
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: being like, man, how could I be more like Steve's
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And that's a nineteen year
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: old kid.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: That's like me and a nineteen year old kid today
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: and being like.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Dang, Like you know, it's a wild concept to think.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: It's like, like you said, the good guy. It's like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think people understand like how young Tupac was
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: when he passed away in Look and you know Xxxi,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, a perfect exact another kid who I met.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You worked with him?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he had a he had a great
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: He left a great impression on me as well, because
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: he kind of reminded me of my brother Steves in
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: a way, but more in the competitive nature, Like you
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: see everything that just happened that was x ye.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Like when we was in that studio, me and him
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: is having a conversation like like like he's he's looking
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: at me and he's like, yeah, I'm about to body
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: you on this. I'm like, okay, okay, little bro, you
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like, but it's like that at
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: that time, I haven't felt that feeling in so long,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: like since things was here, right, and I love that
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: X had that in him, you know. And then when
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: we made the Infinity Record, and yeah, you know he
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: came with the energy man. So you know, just when
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: it comes to that competition, I think it's always been
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: an important thing for me as an artist.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Because that's how I came up.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Like with pro Era, we would have ciphers in the
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: whole way and school, or we meet up in the studio,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: and it was always about trying to show up with
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: the best verse.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: And we love each other, were brothers, right, but we.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Want to have the best.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, We want we want the
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: best lyrics. You know what I'm saying That Steve's was
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: big bro in that regard, Like.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Hey, gotta stop the interview. You want to give a
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  Speaker 1: the interview. I always wonder, you know, like I've he
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind be saying this. We've talked about it on video,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: but like you know, the homie Conway, it really bothers
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: him that people don't put him in certain discussions because
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: he is He's fucking Conway. But it really pisces him off.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Like the ship that we see, like the beat out
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: lists and and just the conversations it it really fucks
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like it pisces him off because he puts so much
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: into his pen. You have like like I feel like
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: at certain times I'm like, does Joe give a fuck
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: about music anymore? I don't know, you know what I'm saying,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: And then and then this run happens and I'm like, oh,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: this is this is what this is amazing? But like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: does does that ship even like does it like the
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: competition ship, there's the public sentiment ship there's these conversations
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that we all always have about who's the greatest, who's this,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: who's that? Does that? Does that get to you? Do
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you care about that?
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Ship?
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm an artist who wants to compete and
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: who is competing? So I think a part of it,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Like it'd be a lie if I said I didn't
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: care about that to a degree, Like of course, you know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be left out the conversation. That
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: was the whole sentiment of rulers back every time they
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: left me out the conversation, like because how dare you?
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: So I feel Conway in his sentiment too, and his
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: pen is incredible.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: And he deserves.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: That acknowledgement, just like I feel like I deserve that acknowledgement,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Because we care about this shit.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who don't care about it,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: who you know, be put in conversation but you know.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: For sure, but you're right, but you're right. It's like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the passion, you know, this thing has become with social media,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: which is like the current like hip hop media landscape.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: But just what labels were signing for a good amount
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of years, label just signing just the cloud chasing antics
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: on Instagram.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: But you know what too, it's lanes Man's it.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Was all yeah. But I even feel like back like
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: when I was coming up, you know, even when you
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: were active, like we would look at Waka Flocka and
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: be like, yo, flock of shit is ignorant, turn up shit,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: but Flocker gave a fuck. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like some of the shit nowadays, it's like, yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I got something.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Now, they're not trying that at all. They're not trying.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: We live in like the punching.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Like like Floka was writing his lyrics, the punching era
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: is fucked. Yeah, the punching rors little fucked because you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: it encourages way too many people. The punching error is
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: fucked because it makes rap look like it's this thing
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: that's just so easy that anybody could do.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: And you know what part of that is true in
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Five, it's like Serrato when Serado came for DJs, right,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's like, now anybody could do it. Yeah, for people
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to I mean, there's don't.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Know exactly what you mean because you know, stack select
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: is my big bro, so I get that Sentimce.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So, like, you know, for people who don't know a
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: lot of artists these days, most of the new artists,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: they don't write anything. They'll punch in line by line,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And I've been in a lot of these sessions and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: you're like, there's not a lot of thought going into
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: these line.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Then it's like the beat is carrying. Yeah, it's like
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: the beat is the vibe.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It's all about the vibe, and maybe it's a harmony,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: maybe it's it's a melody.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: But it's like, don't get me wrong, I'm not shooting
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: that lane down at all, because there's a lot of
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: shit from those type of artists that I like sometimes
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: when I come across it, you know what I mean.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: So I think it's a lane for everybody. But I
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: just think that for whatever reason, this mega genre of
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: hip hop has not been properly managed in a way
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: where you know, like I said it before, it's like
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: when you think of rock and roll, it breaks down
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: a heavy metal, crash, soft rock alternative, and it's like
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: all of these different genres get their respective subgenres rock, right,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: you go to the Grammys, and it's like soft rock
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: and heavy metal. It's like all these different categories for
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: rock and roll, but when it comes to hip hop,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: they try to put everything under one umbrella.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's almost like and it's like we're twenty
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: well could you imagine like you know, like when you
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: turn on the radio, there's a soft rock station, there's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: an alternative rock station, there's an active rock station. Imagine
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: if there if you turn on the radio and it's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the biggest genre in the world, right, and there was
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a trap station trap hip hop only yo, the best
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: you know there's they're doing it with the old school ship.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of old school stations popping up.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: But now I wouldn't even call it the trap no
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: more because even the traps, Yeah, for sure. It's like
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: now there's subgenres that came from the traps. Drill, you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: a drill fucking you got the Emos ship, they got
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: fucking it's so many things, and it's like it's really beautiful.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: But what gets in the way and what causes so
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: much discourse is that it hasn't been properly like organized.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the duality too. You know, I wanted to I
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: want to reverse a sect because I do think that
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you know, there was you know, X. The duality of
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: X was crazy because I was super surprised when yeah,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: at the time, I'm just listening to to look at
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Me and it's overmodulated and unmixed and mastered and it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: but then he's why I see Joey Badass on the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: track list, I'm like, oh what, oh shit, Oh this
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: dude's nice for real? Did he reach out to you?
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: Like what? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he reached out
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: And you know, X was a huge, huge fan of
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: mine and Steve's and pro Era. You know, X was
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: one of those kids who you know, was listening to
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: pro Era come up. Like we inspired a lot of people,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that you see today. Like I
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: remember the first time I met lil Uzi Vert and
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I was CJ, and he came up to both of us, like, yo,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: when I saw hard Knock come on Sucker Free Countdown,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Like it was y'all who showed me.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: That I could do this shit. Yeah, that's what Ouzie
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: said to me, verbatim. I'll never forget it, you know
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: what I mean?
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Shit, CARDI same thing, you know what I mean, Like
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: all of these guys, they because we were kids at
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the time, so you know, almost like what our future
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: did for me is what like I did for what
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: we what we did for you know, a lot of
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: these new generation guys.
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: I think, just that whole Beast Coast, even if their
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: sound is not what our sound is, they were still
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: inspired by the fact that they saw somebody who was
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: more closer.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: To them making the dream happen. Right, That was the
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: inspiration for them. It's like we were seventeen.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there was. There was the Beast Coast movement
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: that was so like so fire, you know what I'm saying.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: It was pro era, you know what I'm saying. It
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: was shout to Flatbush Zombie still going crazy.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Zombies under the Chief Underachievers man.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was. It was such a
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: just a amazing moment in uh in hip hop and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: obviously East Coast hip hop, New York hip hop and
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: all that shit. So on this new album, is there,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: uh An? I mean, I have an idea. I think
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I know a couple of features that we won't say
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: out loud, but I know You've got some features on
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: this project. Is there is there still a record with
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: somebody who you have yet to do to work with,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to meet you. I feel like you keep your ear
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to the street. What is the feature that is just
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, not happened or something. It could even
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: be somebody knew that you just you're just a fan
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: of that you wouldn't mind working with.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: There's a new kid from Harlem coming out right now.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: His name is Lem Okay, I just got put on him,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: so he's like at the top of my mind right
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: now when you ask me that question.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: But I think he's dope. I think he's incredibly talented.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: I would love to work with him. But I think
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: for me right now, like like I'm always I love
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: samarasan Shout Tomorrow.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: She's amazing.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Oh that's what you say. I love Samarasin. I think
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: her whole vibe is dope. I like Overcast.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Overcast is dope too.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: I like Marco Plus from Atlanta. He's a he's a
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: crazy spinner. It's a it's it's a few cats, man,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: It's a few cats.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: And then start walking around with the list because I
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: really be wanting to give motherfuckers some light, you know
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: what I mean. I like Wrong Streets. Wrong Streets is
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: on the album I Love Uh. I heard him for
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: the first time in the whole back and forth with
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: the West Coast Cat Cash.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: He's on the album Dope. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I really I really want.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: To be an example, especially as the Liverpool MC of
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: like being able to shine light or not only of
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: course lyrical MC's, but just also those.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: New generation artists on the come up. You know what
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: I want to be somebody who's recognized for collaborating with artists.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: On the ros.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like my uh, I'm not
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: all about just doing the big shit, you know what
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Like I like like when I come across artists who.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I really love and who really resonate with me and
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: who are smaller, is like I just kind of have
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: like a instinct nature to like shit, I I'd love
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: to help them in any way, but also collaborate too,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I told the
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: new artists on to come up man, and shit I
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: got I got, I got so many stories Like you know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm very cool like that when you wanted
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: to meet in real life.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I'm a very like just easy cat, like you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: we have a conversation. I I I like listening to
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: people music, right, you know, Like I was at a
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: dinner when I got put onto the Lean Kid and
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: some kid was just talking about it, some dude who
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: work with him, and he was kind of doing a terrible.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Job at explaining.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, you selling your man terribly, and he
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: was like, yo, I mean honestly, the musical talk for itself.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: And then I happened to have my headphones and I
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: put him on. I was like, okay, yeah, I get it. Yeah, yeah, okay, man,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I see why. Okay, yeah, you know. So it's dope.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: You know, I just want to be a beacon for
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: artists one to come up, because I feel like I'm
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: kind of like a young og at this point. I
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: mean like I'm like big bro and this shit, like
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I donet been through.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't been down all of these different roads.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: And I could tell motherfuckers, yo, that rod got a
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: big ass pothole right there. Go around that shit, or
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: take it two miles five when you hit this corner,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So, and I love giving
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: game like that because I didn't have.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: Nobody doing that for me.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: And you know it would have been nice to have,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: but I think that it's also a beautiful thing that
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I could be that person for somebody else.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: You said, you know, I watched the interview just with
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the gillion wallow, and you know, I think you made
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: an important point that like labels these days aren't fucking
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: with anybody who already don't got shit going right, like
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: you gotta have they you gotta they gotta be able
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: to jump onto the train while it's already that that's
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: just what they're looking for, right you, Like you said,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: we're thirteen years into you being a thing where people
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: know you in this music industry. You've been through different management,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: different situations. If a young independent artist is watching this
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and they're getting the major label interest, would what what
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: would be your advice to them? Let's say they let's
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: say they got one hundred thousand monthly listeners on Spotify.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Let's say they you know, they're they're able to pay
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: their bills barely, but they're able to pay their bills
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: on this rap shit. Everybody's starting to call you know
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you do you go to major
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: route and I know that that's not a one, one
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: size fits all question. But like based on just your perspectives.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Important that you with the most important thing you just
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: said just now. It's not a one size office question
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: for sure, right, So it's not always going to apply
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: to everybody the same way. Correct, No one person like
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: like everybody's not going to have the same path. So
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: just because it worked out for Chuck this way, don't
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: mean it's gonna work out for Phiel the same way.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: But what I will say is if it's not.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: A matter of you needing money to literally get by
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: in your life or to survive, if you can at
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: least sustain where you are, then I would say to
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: hold off on taking the big bag, taking the advance
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: taking because you know that advance is just buying into.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Your stock as a as what is essentially a company,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: as an artist, you know what I mean, Building.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Your IP, keep building your If you don't need the money,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: just keep building it.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: If you don't need the money, keep building it, you
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Because the pay off when when
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: those checks are showing straight up to where you live,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: it's a different ball game for sure, where they don't
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: got to go through somebody, and you know you gotta
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: get it every quarter of the year or every half
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: of the year.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: It's a different ball game when they coming straight.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: To you, and that is going to have a bigger
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: payoff in the long run than the.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Check up front that quick bag, because then you'll hear.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Because you get that quick bag. But then now there's
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: no bags until you recoop. Whereas you just begin in
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: this steady flow of income with what you got and
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: just keep building it. And it's like in the long
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: term you make more money that it makes sense, like
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: you might have more money now off the events.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: And that's how they get us. That's how they get us.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: It's a trickery game.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: No, you take the upfront bag even though you know, hey,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: if you just this music over two or three years
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: is going to make you more money than that.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: And you know what, it's fucked up because you gotta
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: really think about it, right, Why they offering me this money.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Because they think it's it's a good business move exactly.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: They would have been offering you a million dollar advance
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: for an album.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: And you always I think about it, they offering you
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: a million.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Then remember they're always trying to make a deal, right,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: They always trying to like you know, if you study stocks,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: you don't buy stocks.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Unless you're getting for twenty percent off.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's okay, it's a good day to day
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: went down.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Everybody these labels is approaching you. They like they're trying
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: to get you for the low.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: So but they know that you ain't never seen no
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: money like this before. So while they know what's the
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: low for you was a high and you know we
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: fall into it. It's like, oh shit, a million dollars
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I ain't never seen. A lot of us is coming
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: from a scarcity. Be mindset. So we think that because
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: the million dollars is here today, we need to take
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: it or else we ain't never gonna see it again.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: This would be our only chance to be a millionaire.
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: And it's really like they use that, they take advantage
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: of you because they know that if somebody's given you
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: a million dollars, it's because they think they can make
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: five for you.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: Don't forget that. Don't look that go over your head.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: You know you mentioned stocks. I wonder this is just
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: a random You know, nas has been in the news
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: a lot lately, but I just saw something so crazy.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: He's a part owner of a casino in Queens.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, shout to Nas man. That's that's really my big bro.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, a lot of shout to
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Nas man.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I just wonder, like, what is what is your entrepreneur
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: like when you see ship like that, because Nas is
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: to me, he's my favorite MC ever the Goat but
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: mass appeals crazy, battle shouts, Master Peel slick rickuds crazy.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: But when you see like like somebody like Nas doing
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: all this entrepreneurial ship, does that does that inspire you?
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Are you? Are you doing anything? Like are you I
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: know you talked about wanting to do a production company obviously.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I started off production coming for sure.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Man, you know, Nas is very is very inspiring to
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: see where he come and it gives me a lot
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: of hope because I feel very aligned to Nas yes
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: as far as an artists and like my career trajectory
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and all of that. So it gives me hope. Like okay, yeah,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Like, don't make a lot of noise behind the scenes,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: like you just hear about it, Like, wait, Nad's bought
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: in the ring camera right what I mean?
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: You know, just making you know, smart plays behind the scenes.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: But It's funny because you know, yesterday I was driving.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: The car my wife and.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Whole book of OJ came on MM and in the
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: verse he was like, you know, I could have bought
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: that house in Dumbo for two million, twenty uh whatever
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: X amount of years later now is going for twenty
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: five million.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: How I'm feeling Dumbo? Yeah, And I was.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Having a conversation with my wife, like, Yo, isn't it
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: crazy that as successful as Jay is, he's still having
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: the same type of sentiments that I'm having.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean, because.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: For me, just the other day, I was like, damn,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: I could have bought bitcoin at eight thousand. Yeah, And
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: back then I'm like, that's an expensive stock.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but this shit is worth one hundred fucking thousand now.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: It's funny because when COVID happened, it dipped down to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: like fifty five hundred. And I remember sitting in a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: car in East la waiting to meet my boy bidas One,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: looking at it and being like, man, I don't know
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: where the world's finna go.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Right, Fuck that scarcity month, oh man, god.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Scarious city Mond.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Well, Really, how we're supposed to be looking at it
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: is how much of a percentage?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Am I getting this stock off?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: It's on sale? Hey, it's on sell, Like yo, if
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: the video goes on sale, buy it, buy that shit?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, shit, even if it don't go on sell
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: by one at least, because it's looking like it's going up.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: So if you get in now, I think it's at
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: like one forty right now. Shit, who knows where it's going?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Like we think that shit going up.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: Are you able to be in your actor bag and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: your music bag at the same time or do you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: have to kind of mentally put one or the other
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: aside so you can like focus if you're playing a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: part or you're working on an Now, are you able
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: to kind of.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: I think that to do it at a high level,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I have to give each the respective focus it deserves, right,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Like there's no way I could be on set and.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Have a studio session later that night.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, probably not wise?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: You know what day?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And sleep is a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: very big important part of things as long. I mean,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe I can make it work, like depending
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: on who's the studio session with, you know what I mean,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Like we're gonna work with for real, you make exceptions. Yeah,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: we can make exceptions, you know, smart ones. But I
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: think just the short answer to your question is each
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: deserves its own respective focus. Like right now, I've been
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: super focused on music, and there's there's a few, oh,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: there's a few conversations that I've been putting off as
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: far as you know, things going on TV film side.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, yo, yo, let me look, I'm just
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: I need two more days. I'm about to hand in
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: my master's boom boom, and then.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: We could talk that top of next week, you know
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that I think I do a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: good job banishing it overall, but for the most part,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: each thing has to get separate.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Time for folk.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: Like I wonder, like, do you ever go back because
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 9: you know, they always say that Tupac was capable of
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: being like the greatest actor on the planet if he
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: had stayed alive, because if you go back and watch
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 9: like him acts, he was incredible.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Do you ever go back and watch pac and like
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: some of it? Because if you watch some of his movies,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: even the ones that weren't great, like obviously that he's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: got some classics. Grid Iron, there's the one you're you're
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: telling Gridlocked, Goodlock, Gridlocked. You know, it's like it wasn't
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: the greatest movie, but you saw like, oh, this mother
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: saw his potential. This guy is amazing.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a natural. He was a natural.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: You know, Pac is one of the people who definitely
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: showed me that I could do this thing, you know
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And he's He's definitely somewhat of like
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: the north Star for me when.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: It comes to just the balancing of both things.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: You know this quote, you chase two rabbits, you wanna
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: catch either one or jack of all trades, mess that none.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: And I keep those things in mind because I'm like,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I want.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: To disprove those, to disprove those.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I think that I have already showcase doing
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: both things at a high level, and I will continue
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: to showcase that. Like you know, people ask me all
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: the time, like what was what did you rather this
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: or that? And I'm like, why do I have to rather?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Why do I have to choose? I'm in love with both,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I think what people
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: fail to realize is that this is all arts.
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  Speaker 4: I am an artist.
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  Speaker 1: It's all in the art world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, like I'm really doing one thing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm an artist, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: So whether you rather you see me on the silver
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  Speaker 3: screen or you hear me on records, it's.
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  Speaker 4: All art at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm already choosing one thing. But I don't have
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: to choose one way in which I showcase my artistry.
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  Speaker 1: So I love that. Man. Well album is coming really sooner,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: really soon, sooner and soon, sooner than soon. There's some
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: sample stuff that as with any Joey.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Album, as with anybody's out nowadays. But I'll tell you what, look,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: my shit coming sooner than some.
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  Speaker 4: People, some motherfuckers. I heard album coming for a long time.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say no names, but I should coming soon.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Be my shit ready. Do you want to hear it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to hear it all?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to hear it? And yeah, man, thank
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: you for you know, fucking just being yourself man, and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: and and you know, bringing excitement the last few months
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: into this ship.
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  Speaker 3: You like you, man, Listen important I want to say,
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  Speaker 3: just to close it out, man, Hip hop is a
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: competitive sport. I love to compete. I absolutely love to compete,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Shout out to everybody on the West Coast.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Shot to everybody on East Coast, Shout to everybody everywhere
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: who's putting off for the culture.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Did you, by the way, just random tidbit about that.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear why G say Joey bad ass? Gonna
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: hate this?
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  Speaker 2: Text him, I'm I'm like, you're wrong. I love it.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: You're wrong. I love it, you know what I mean.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: So we had we had a cool little laugh about
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: that ship, you know what I mean.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: But and then you and Absloult going on tour, me
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: and ashle Is going on tour finish with Are you're
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: about to say something?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: No, just gonna say I'm flattered, you know, to hear
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: why G say that ship? Like, I can't wait to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: be in the club somewhere and that shit. Come on,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: let's be hitting my ship. Joey, Hey, yeah, world up.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: So I love it, man, I love it, you.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Know, absolut Joey Tour on the Way, album on the Way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you got projects in the can where you're
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: gonna be on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, few.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like that's one cool thing about acting
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: is you could get some ship and be like, Yo,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: this is gonna come out over the next two years,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: so I kind.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: Of act the exact chill out, Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Jau too.
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  Speaker 1: There it is, mh.