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The Kenny Report | 19 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The budget fallout has turned Anthony Alberizi into a national
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  Speaker 2: social media joke.
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  Speaker 1: As more and more voters wake up to what's been
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 2: Senior politicians continue to be stumped over the simple question
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  Speaker 2: about what.
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  Speaker 1: Is a woman? Even a Minister for Women has no clue.
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  Speaker 2: I'll cross to Kristen Tait in the US to discuss
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  Speaker 2: the latest pearls of wisdom from Michelle Obama, Tim Blair
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  Speaker 2: on Ossie Made Evs.
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  Speaker 1: Tell them they're dreaming, and.
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  Speaker 2: I'll find out if Susi O'Brien and Stephen Senta Tiampo
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  Speaker 2: can tell me.
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  Speaker 1: What a woman is.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to Jamie for filling in last Night Cash the
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Rodgers Show every Sunday here on Sky at seven.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I've found the news
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  Speaker 2: cycle over the past week to be therapeutic, kind of reassuring.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I know most of the news is bad, especially when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to politics, the economy and national affairs, but
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  Speaker 2: the point is that people are aking up about it.
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  Speaker 2: People are calling out Labour's appalling budget. They're broken promises,
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  Speaker 2: their lies, and their deceit. I'd like to say I
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  Speaker 2: predicted this last week, but in truth I made this
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  Speaker 2: assessment more in hope than confidence.
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  Speaker 1: Surely it has gone too far.
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  Speaker 2: Surely now it will face a public backlash because the
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  Speaker 2: facts are so blatant, the breach of trust so great.
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  Speaker 2: As it turns out, it's as if the budget has
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  Speaker 2: been the trigger for a lot of people to finally
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  Speaker 2: wake up to what a fraudulent outfit the Albanese labor
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  Speaker 2: government really has been all along. And even in the
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  Speaker 2: world of social media, normally dominated by the woke, the left,
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  Speaker 2: the superficial and the economically illiterate, well, even there, the
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  Speaker 2: Albanese government's incompetence and betrayal is dominating, especially the meme
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  Speaker 2: about higher taxes meaning Albert Easy and his government want
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  Speaker 2: to own nearly half of everything anyone generates.
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  Speaker 4: Sweet, I just passed, go I get two hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 4: Whoa there, buddy, this is Australian andopoly. Fifty percent of
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  Speaker 4: your income is tax is serious. But now I'm champion
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  Speaker 4: in a fundom still handsome ringing for insoms.
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  Speaker 1: I'll buy that property. Okay, that'll be two point five
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  Speaker 1: million dollars. What it's old ken roadan Mounta Drewet. It's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be the cheapest properties in the game, the
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  Speaker 1: Australian housing market.
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  Speaker 4: Mate, nothing's cheap.
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  Speaker 5: Working hard to make a livent?
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  Speaker 1: I see where heavy?
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  Speaker 6: The heavy?
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  Speaker 2: Who are we eat?
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  Speaker 7: Agree you the community chess.
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  Speaker 1: The government's brought in five hundred thousand immigrants. You've lost
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  Speaker 1: your job and your rents increased. Do not past go.
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  Speaker 4: So they're making it easier for young people to get
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  Speaker 4: a house by making it more expensive for young people
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  Speaker 4: to own a house.
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  Speaker 8: Jackson, This doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Sound as awesome as it did before.
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  Speaker 9: When I spoke to Treasurer at Jim Chalmers, he said,
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  Speaker 9: NSI quote, yep, guys, let's get one thing straight.
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  Speaker 10: You're never going to own a home, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: But it's about the vibe.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's the viable right.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty funny stuff and pretty depressing because it's true Albo
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  Speaker 2: who has tried to laugh it all off.
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  Speaker 11: I think some of them are very flattering, and I
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  Speaker 11: thank them for picking very nice photos of me, and
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  Speaker 11: I thank.
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  Speaker 1: Them for that.
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  Speaker 2: The truth is, of course, that the Prime Minister is
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  Speaker 2: getting itchy and scratchy he's not used to pushy questions
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  Speaker 2: from the media pack and he's not comfortable talking about
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  Speaker 2: the economy. Labor are always high taxing, and this is
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  Speaker 2: the highest taxing government in our nation's history. But the
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  Speaker 2: capital gains tax changes, removing the fifty percent discount once
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  Speaker 2: you hold onto an asset for more than a year,
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  Speaker 2: well that means this government is sticking its hand out
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  Speaker 2: to take more and more of whatever Australians create. Opposition
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  Speaker 2: leader Anger Taylor is suddenly everywhere taking it to labor.
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  Speaker 2: On his open mic session with Paul Murray here on
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  Speaker 2: Sky last night, he pretty much summed it up.
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  Speaker 9: The scariest thing about this government is that when they
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  Speaker 9: start running out of money because there's beending too much,
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  Speaker 9: they come after yours.
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  Speaker 2: Albanez's attempts to justify his tax grab just underline how
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  Speaker 2: out of touch he is.
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  Speaker 11: What we're doing is simply moving to a real gain system,
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  Speaker 11: so it only impacts when gains are made capital gains.
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  Speaker 11: That's not when the normal courts of business occurs.
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  Speaker 2: Really, he thinks that because he's imposing heavier taxes after
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  Speaker 2: people sell the businesses, it doesn't really matter. Doesn't he
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  Speaker 2: understand that's what drives so many people in small and
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  Speaker 2: medium businesses building that value so they can sell it
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  Speaker 2: at the end and make some money, sacrificing their pay,
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  Speaker 2: their time and their effort all the way for year
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  Speaker 2: upon year in pursuit of that exact outcome. But now
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi and Labor want to cash in on that work,
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  Speaker 2: other people's work.
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  Speaker 1: And what does he think this will do to the
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  Speaker 1: value of those businesses?
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  Speaker 2: And why did it increase the incentive for people to
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  Speaker 2: invest overseas instead, or take their businesses where there is
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  Speaker 2: no capital gains tax, start them in Singapore or New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand or shift them there.
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  Speaker 1: Albanese's Treasurer has no idea either.
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  Speaker 10: The budget was about housing.
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  Speaker 12: An important part about that is making the tax system
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  Speaker 12: fairer for people, making it easier for Australians, particularly young Australians,
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  Speaker 12: to get a toe hold in the market.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about housing.
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  Speaker 2: So the question has to be how does increasing the
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  Speaker 2: tax on the capital gains made from selling a small
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  Speaker 2: business increase housing supply? How does increasing the tax paid
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  Speaker 2: on the gains made when someone sells their share portfolio
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  Speaker 2: increase housing supply?
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  Speaker 1: How does increasing the tax paid.
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  Speaker 2: When someone sells their startup company increase the housing supply.
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  Speaker 1: It's all just a tax grab.
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  Speaker 2: And for that matter, how does increasing the taxes paid
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  Speaker 2: on housing investments increase housing supply. It is all a nonsense,
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  Speaker 2: of course, economically absurd and politically obtuse. Albo and Charmers
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  Speaker 2: wanted to con Australians into thinking that labor was hitting
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  Speaker 2: rich baby boomers to help young people buy a house.
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  Speaker 2: But all they're doing is hitting the whole country, making
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  Speaker 2: it even tougher for young people who are hoping to
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  Speaker 2: buy a house. It's the same old problem with socialists,
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  Speaker 2: as Maggie Thatcher used to say, they eventually run out
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  Speaker 2: of other people's money. I'm about to show you some
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  Speaker 2: comments from a Liberal senator.
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  Speaker 1: His name is Andrew McLaughlin.
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  Speaker 2: He's a Senator for South Australia and you've probably never
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  Speaker 2: heard of him. You probably wouldn't recognize him, but he
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  Speaker 2: grabbed the national spotlight on the ABC this morning criticizing
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  Speaker 2: his own party over immigration policy.
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  Speaker 13: I don't think our retric meets the needs of the
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  Speaker 13: broader the community. I think our retric used alienates migrant communities.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, he doesn't like the retric This is why this
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  Speaker 2: bloke has climbed out of hiding decided to get some
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  Speaker 2: media coverage because he doesn't like somebody else's retric. I'll
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  Speaker 2: come back to this career politician in a moment, but first,
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you how important immigration is
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  Speaker 2: as a topic for political debate and government management. It's
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  Speaker 2: a major input into our economic development. It's crucial when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to our social cohesion. In fact, it's been
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  Speaker 2: a major driver of both the character and success of
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  Speaker 2: our nation, and history shows it needs to be managed.
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  Speaker 2: Governments need to control it for our economy, for our security,
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  Speaker 2: and for social cohesion. So, in the middle of a
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  Speaker 2: housing crisis, these words from the opposition leader last week
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  Speaker 2: were welcomed by so many people.
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  Speaker 9: A coalition will cap immigration numbers based on the number
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  Speaker 9: of homes constructed each year. Never again will a government
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  Speaker 9: be able to bring in more people than our housing
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  Speaker 9: can support.
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  Speaker 2: No one could possibly criticize that retric. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: logical and economically sensible position. So what about this new
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  Speaker 2: policy outlined by Taylor Tonight?
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  Speaker 9: I announced that a coalition government will reserve the NDIS
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  Speaker 9: and seventeen different welfare programs, including job Seeker Youth Allowance
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  Speaker 9: and the Family Tax Benefit for Australian citizens only and
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  Speaker 9: save taxpayers billions. My message is this, if you commit
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  Speaker 9: to Australia, Australia will commit to you.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, that's it. Of course, that's the red trick that
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal senator doesn't like. Apparently, if you commit to Australia,
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  Speaker 2: then Australia will commit to you. How divisive.
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  Speaker 1: What a clown I had to listen to him.
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  Speaker 13: I have deep concerns, coming from a multicultural community, that
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  Speaker 13: we are going to create two types of members in
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  Speaker 13: the community going forward with this policy suite, both paying tax,
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  Speaker 13: both only being outed access particular entitlements. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 13: it leads to a healthy Australian community.
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  Speaker 2: Placing a value on citizenship, encouraging permanent residents to take
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  Speaker 2: up citizenship in this great country, encouraging Australian citizenship to
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  Speaker 2: be a two way arrangement. How could that undermine our society?
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  Speaker 2: This block seems a little misguided, doesn't he. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: the more he talks, the less sense he makes.
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  Speaker 13: But we cannot continue to blame migrants for the problems
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  Speaker 13: of our economy.
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  Speaker 2: Blaming migrants, Who's blaming migrants. Taylor is blaming labor for
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  Speaker 2: mismanaging migration. He's been quite explicit about praising immigration and immigrants,
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  Speaker 2: but this senator apparently can't abide a rational discussion about
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  Speaker 2: a policy area of national significance without getting caught up
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  Speaker 2: on what he calls Retrick Well, listen here, and his
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  Speaker 2: problem really seems to be about plain, clear English.
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  Speaker 13: I think the use of the word mass migration, for example,
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  Speaker 13: is not acceptible.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't like the term mass migration. So when one
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  Speaker 2: point four million people equivalent to the population of Adelaide,
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  Speaker 2: our fifth largest city, when that many people come into
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  Speaker 2: the country in just four years, we shouldn't call it
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  Speaker 2: mass migration. What's his suggestion handful migration, sprinkle migration, teeny
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  Speaker 2: tiny migration, normal migration. But in record numbers, it's just
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  Speaker 2: a nonsense. Again, and Taylor brushed off these criticisms today.
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  Speaker 9: This has got nothing to do with migrant communities. We
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  Speaker 9: think migration is incredibly important to this country. It always
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  Speaker 9: has been and there always will be. But the numbers
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  Speaker 9: can't be too high and the standards can't be too low.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor faces a tough task just getting the right side
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  Speaker 2: of politics to understand the fundamental values that it's always supported.
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  Speaker 2: Liberal politicians like Senator McLaughlin never bother the other side.
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  Speaker 2: They never make the news for attacking labor. They never
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  Speaker 2: generate publicity exposing the poor policies of labor or proposing a.
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  Speaker 1: Stellar new idea to improve the country.
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  Speaker 2: No, they just take their salary and they tag along,
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  Speaker 2: and every now and then they make themselves relevant to
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  Speaker 2: the ABC and other leftist media by attacking their own side.
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  Speaker 2: McLaughlin has been a non event for more more than
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  Speaker 2: a decade and a half in state and federal politics,
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  Speaker 2: coasting along on taxpayers coin, never troubling the scorers. Today,
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  Speaker 2: many voters will have heard of him for the first
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  Speaker 2: time as he attempts to undercut his own party's policies.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, at least he got one thing right on
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  Speaker 2: the ABC this morning.
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  Speaker 13: I've been a Liberal member for way too long.
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  Speaker 2: He sure has never elected in a lower House seat
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  Speaker 2: under his own banner. McLaughlin has always been an Upper
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  Speaker 2: House member, put into Parliament on the Liberal Party ticket,
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  Speaker 2: never troubling labor, never inspiring voters, just eager to make
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  Speaker 2: a name for himself, undercutting the Liberal leader. He's been
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  Speaker 2: a Liberal member way too long, all right, and he
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  Speaker 2: ought to head off and find something else to do.
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  Speaker 2: Let's catch up now with the Shadow Assistant Minister for Employment,
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  Speaker 2: Zoe Mackenzie, who joins us from Melbourne. Zoey, you had
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  Speaker 2: much to do with your colleague Andrew McLachlin, then what
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  Speaker 2: do you think of his intervention?
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  Speaker 14: To be fair, we don't see the senators much on
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  Speaker 14: our side of the chamber.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know that it's like a different world over there.
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  Speaker 14: Sometimes I go there to visit a colleague and get
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  Speaker 14: lost and barely find my way back to the real world.
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  Speaker 2: But he hasn't imposed himself on the debate in Parliament
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  Speaker 2: health and invited the rest of the Liberal cohort to
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  Speaker 2: take him seriously as a potential font of policy wisdom.
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  Speaker 14: I haven't had a conversation with him about this particular issue,
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  Speaker 14: and I must have been. I missed the ABC radio
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  Speaker 14: interview this morning, so thank you for replaying it for
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  Speaker 14: me so I could hear it.
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  Speaker 5: Look interesting points of view. I think Andrew knows, as
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  Speaker 5: we all know, that.
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  Speaker 14: Labour's record of bringing in two million people over the
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  Speaker 14: last term and this term.
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  Speaker 5: By the time we get to the next.
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  Speaker 14: Election without having done anything like the planning they need
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  Speaker 14: to do in terms of infrastructure, hospital, schools, roads.
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  Speaker 1: You name it.
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  Speaker 5: We find ourselves in a very tight position.
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  Speaker 14: Indeed, we find people unable to get into the housing
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  Speaker 14: market and real strain.
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  Speaker 5: On some of our public services.
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  Speaker 14: If you're going to bring in moments like that, you
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  Speaker 14: must do the planning in advance. And that is why
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  Speaker 14: we have put forward a plan for sensible migration, which
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  Speaker 14: is to make it proportionate to the.
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  Speaker 5: Availability of housing.
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  Speaker 14: I think that's an excellent posse, and marsee it appears
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  Speaker 14: to be well received. Even in an area like Momas,
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  Speaker 14: Mass is very dependent on overseas workers. You know, we
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  Speaker 14: are a summer economy down here, but we're also an
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  Speaker 14: agriculture economy, hospitality, accommodation.
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  Speaker 5: Food and bev.
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  Speaker 14: We don't work unless we can get access to international talent,
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  Speaker 14: particularly for that summer season.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is what I want to ask you, Andrew McLachlin.
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  Speaker 2: If he's waltzing around in the Senate in the leafy
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  Speaker 2: suburbs of Adelaide and hanging around a radio national might
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  Speaker 2: not actually mix with mainstream Australians too much on the ground,
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  Speaker 2: is this policy resonating.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yes, it is because people see it as sensible.
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  Speaker 14: They want secure borders, they want sensible migration. No one
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  Speaker 14: can say that what the Labor Party's been doing for
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  Speaker 14: the last four years is.
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  Speaker 5: In any way sensible. It's about propping up their GDP figures.
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  Speaker 14: And it has been a real damage to the country
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  Speaker 14: in terms of demand, in terms of inflation, and just
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  Speaker 14: in terms of people's sense of being able to get ahead.
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  Speaker 14: So sensible migration, skilled migration, the business migration. We need
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  Speaker 14: to keep the Australian economy growing, but not two million
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  Speaker 14: people over two terms of government.
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  Speaker 5: It's just beyond the record.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you'd keep a bit of an eye on social media,
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  Speaker 2: and you know how politics resonates in that realm. It's
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  Speaker 2: very much the less that dominates. Have you been surprised
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  Speaker 2: and delighted by the way there have been so many
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  Speaker 2: means taking the mickey out of the Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 2: his budget.
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  Speaker 14: Look, I'm going to take the silver lining out of
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  Speaker 14: all of this, which is that Generation Z is so
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  Speaker 14: much more business savvy, tax savvy, budget savvy that.
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  Speaker 5: I would have given them credit for a week ago.
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  Speaker 14: These are really intelligent and charmingly funny messages, but about
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  Speaker 14: a really terrible future that they're now facing. So I
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  Speaker 14: sat down last week was talking with someone at one
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  Speaker 14: of my senior secondary school saying, I've got kids who
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  Speaker 14: have gone off, they've done apprenticeships there, and their second
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  Speaker 14: year of their apprenticeship, they're setting up a trust for
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  Speaker 14: their future business, and this completely stuffs them.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going, how does an apprentice even know to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 14: You know, I'd probably be like ucuz I've been a
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  Speaker 14: wage slave all my life and only got to buy
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  Speaker 14: my first house in my late thirties.
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  Speaker 5: But these kids are really smart.
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  Speaker 14: Some of them are getting great financial education in their
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  Speaker 14: secondary school and they're going into business. They're setting themselves
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  Speaker 14: up well, They're setting themself up for the future. They're
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  Speaker 14: setting themselves up for their family so that they can
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  Speaker 14: have a great job as a tradee you know, live
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  Speaker 14: reasonably well, be able to get ahead, be able to
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  Speaker 14: see in their kids, you know, to either a really
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  Speaker 14: good local public school, maybe a loafee Catholic school, and
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  Speaker 14: just have some sense of coping, you know, with the
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  Speaker 14: economic demands of life and all that has now gone
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  Speaker 14: out the window.
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  Speaker 5: So hats off to gen Z.
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  Speaker 14: They are way more financially savvy than I had immediately appreciated.
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  Speaker 14: So they're really showing it's what they understood about last
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  Speaker 14: week's budget, and then it's crap.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 2: One of the reasons I found the last week so
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  Speaker 2: therapeutic and encouraging is just people are waking.
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  Speaker 1: Up to reality again.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the mainstream I guess what big government high
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  Speaker 2: taxes them sticking their hand in my pocket all the time.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't work, and not only does it not work
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  Speaker 1: for me, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Work for the country and for our future. And it's
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  Speaker 2: sort of back to situation normal. And there's another era
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  Speaker 2: where Angus Taylor and your team have decided to go
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  Speaker 2: back to reality and situation normal. And I can feel
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  Speaker 2: the whole country saying, thank god, someone's finally saying this,
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  Speaker 2: and that is that males and females are decided by biology.
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  Speaker 1: It's straightforward, and the law should reflect that. Look.
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  Speaker 14: I appreciate that for this younger generation, particularly generation of alpha,
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  Speaker 14: gender is kind of their thing, and so they like
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  Speaker 14: to talk about gender choice.
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  Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, so much of
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  Speaker 5: our society is structured around biological gender.
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  Speaker 14: And so the good news is that now we have
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  Speaker 14: come forward and been very very clear about what we
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  Speaker 14: will do, how we will amend the existing legislation to
• 19:43
  Speaker 14: make sure that women's spaces are for women, a place
• 19:46
  Speaker 14: where you can go and feel safe and know that
• 19:48
  Speaker 14: you are sitting with people who share your biology, who
• 19:51
  Speaker 14: probably share your phase.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Of life, whatever it might be.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: And women's sport, women's and girls sported. It's so important.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yet the Minister for Women in New South Wales labors
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Jody Harrison what she's told the Daily Telegraphs. As this
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: matter may be the subject of further legal processes, it
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: would not be appropriate to comment on the specifics of
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a case. She wouldn't even say what she believes a
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: woman in questions about the legal framework are ultimately matters
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: for the federal government.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the madness that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Is afoot as young girls are being forced to play
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: against biological men. And just for an expansion on that,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: let's have a look at Jody Harrison last year in
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Parliament when she was questioned over whether a state government
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: award for Women of the Year could go to a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: biological man.
• 20:38
  Speaker 15: Well, is it not absurd situation that a biological man
• 20:41
  Speaker 15: who identifies as a woman could potentially be announced on
• 20:44
  Speaker 15: the fifth of March twenty twenty six awards event as
• 20:49
  Speaker 15: the twenty twenty six New South Wales Woman of the Year.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: It's the view of this government that all women should
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: be able to be nominated and to be awarded if
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: they meet the standards that are needed to achieve these awards,
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: that they be rewarded for that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Zoey tell me a coalition elected federally can bring all
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: this to an end. No one wants to disrespect trans people.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: We can all respect human beings, but we don't have
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to pretend that one biology is another.
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: Look, I think so many spheres of life and our
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: gender agnostic, right, and so that's fine.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: So it's not as about whether you're a biological man
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: or a biological woman.
• 21:32
  Speaker 14: But sometimes it is really important in terms of spaces
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: where people can be together and feel safe.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Absolutely in terms of sport, particularly professional sport. And so
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: maybe we just need to say.
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: Biological woman more frequently and make sure that's clearly defined,
• 21:48
  Speaker 14: because that was just word salad abomination from this who
• 21:53
  Speaker 14: I've never seen before and probably will never see again.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Sure is Zoe, good to talk to you. You're a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: fine woman. I think I can pomas. I am thank
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you Zoey Mackenzie.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: There remember for Flinders down there on the mornings of
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Peninsula in Victoria and Assistant Minister for Employment. Let's stay
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: in Victoria and head out to the western plains, the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: western area of Victoria and catch up with the daily telegraphs.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Tim Blair, Tim, good to talk to you again.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And we're just talking about bad news with this government
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and all the things that's doing wrong.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But at least there's at least there's.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Something to be happy about it and that the nation
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: should be can exercise some pride in with this government.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Because our Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen is off
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to Europe to be the President of Global Climate negotiations.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: What a wonderful thing that must be for him and
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: our country.
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: We speak of little else here in the Wimmer Valley
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: than our great pride in It's sad that he's not
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: traveling via an electric aircraft. I sham, you know that
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: early days. He'll get there eventually. And it's almost the
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: case though with every large climate related thing there's always
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: a gigantic carbon footprint. This is always the case. If
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: you abandoned all this carbon, all this climate change stuff.
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: They shrieked their carbon output overnight terrific.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they know they apparently all these climate negotiations, they
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: can tell you what the temperature will be in is
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: stamp Bull in fifty three years time. But none of
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: them have heard of Zoom. None of them have actually
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: caught up with Zoom or micro Microsoft teams.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yet.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: There's such a serious side to this, though, Tim, because
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: this presidency is costing Australia a lot of money. He's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: set up a whole section of his department to deal
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: with it, and obviously his time and effort going over
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to Europe to.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Get involved in all this malarkey.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, this country is in the middle of a massive
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: energy crisis, with electricity more expensive than it's ever been,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and with unstable supplies and of course all the shambles
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: with our fossil fuels.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: This is exactly right.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: This is why I'm upset by the way that Australia
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: didn't win the right to host this Climate Party, because
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: at least then for all the money that we would
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: have spent, all the money we would have wasted, we
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: would have got something out of it, great comedy. We
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: would have seen hilarious stuff. You know, you know, the
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: various industries in the hospitality trade might have profited a
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: great deal from the arrival of so many overseas diplomats
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: and club and carbon climate change hangers on. But as
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: it is, all we've done, all that investment that's given
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: us is the world's most expensive airline ticket for Chris
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: Bowen during a time when back home and Australia energy,
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: as you point out, is costing more than it ever has.
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: It's obscene.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: It is obscene.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: The only two types of carbon emissions that don't mind
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: those from their own plane and the little co two
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: bubbles out of their champagne.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. Now, meanwhile, tell us.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: There's been some more developments when it comes to snowy
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: hydro two point oh, and what's going on underground there
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: apart from burying billions of dollars of taxpayers money.
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: Well, look at this, it's at what point do they
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: just backfill this whole thing with concrete? At what point
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: do they just bail and say, you know and put
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: a big sign in it saying you know, a former
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: prime minister thought this was the best idea ever and
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: then we realized how much it was cost. Where are
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: the accounts. Shouldn't there be a barricade of accounts around
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: this thing at this point, just saying thus far, no further.
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: It is hasn't worked, it might never work, and at
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: every step along the way things are going wrong.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's remind ourselves of what that former prime minister
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: said when he announced Snowy Hydro two point zero.
• 25:38
  Speaker 16: I am a nation building prime minister, believe me, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 16: this is a nation building project. These are big dreams
• 25:44
  Speaker 16: in these mountains, real courage, a belief in the future,
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: a confidence in Australia.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't see that often enough, Tim, but but
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: it just strikes me when we see these ongoing problems,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: safety problems, blowouts, all.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: The rest of it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turble turns up every now and then for an
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: interview on the ABC whenever they wanted to bag the bag,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor or whatever's going on the Liberal Party.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He gets up there and gets a free reign.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: You don't think perhaps at some stage someone on the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: ABC might actually grill him about this project and the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: lack of cost benefit analysis and what he's lumbered us with.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: That didn't actually be great, wouldn't it if the ABC
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: actually followed through and said, you know, sure you're backing
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: the current liberal public of leadership, but when you were
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: the leader, you did this, And then they could they
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: could flip to another interview, perhaps with Julia Gillard in
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: the UK, and ask her about gender identity and what
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: she did to raise women in from the there's a
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: whole lot of areas that the ABC doesn't go to,
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: let's just say, and they're the ones that people are
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: most interested in. Might tell a story about why the
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: ABC is where it's at these days.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah sure, Now we know you're a bit of a
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: petrol head and you're pined for the days of you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Holden versus Ford on Mount Panorama.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe those glory.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Days are back when you have a look at this
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: From what Anthony Alberizi has told your very own paper,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I think he said that there's no reason why we
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: can't make electric vehicles in Australia. At the very least
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: we can make parts and components, including batteries.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Here here is a bloke who's killing.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Off every last semblance of Australian manufacturing with these ridiculously
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: high electricity prices, and he pretends we can make cars again.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: It's an interesting question, isn't it. You know there's or
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: an interesting statement, there's no reason why we can't build
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: electric Well there is, there's one really big one. Cost
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: too much. We can't make them at an affordable price.
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: That's really kind of a basic thing to point out
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: to a prime minister. He should maybe be aware of
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: that because he's been part of a movement that's driven
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: union pay rates through the roof and is now actively
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: setting up Australia to be the least competitive place energy
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: wise of any major Western nation. We can't forward just
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: to build things, even on a smaller scale. We can't
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: afford to build things like shovels, let alone. Ready, you
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: know car plants? Do we cost too much?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I think you might have identified identified the problem there.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I think the word cost is not in his lexicon.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tim Blair. I appreciate it. We'll
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: catch up with you later in the week.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: We had to get to a breakdown.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll get more on the budget
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: fall out and what's happening in this economy as more
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: young voters wake up to Labour's lies. We'll get a
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: senior economist to talk us through this one. Let's still
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: have more into the budget fallout and the fifth alban
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Easy Charmer's budget has been labeled cringeworthy by an economics professor.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Writing in the Australian Financial Review, Richard Holden says the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: budget includes boomer bashing, and he says it delivers hipster economics,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: not genuine reform. Richard Holden joins me on the desk. Now,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: good to meet you, Richard, and congratulations on that column.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Tell us what hipster economics is well.
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: Lena Kahan, the FTC chair in the US, her approach
• 29:09
  Speaker 17: to anti trust, which was kind of big business and
• 29:11
  Speaker 17: tech bashing, was referred to as hipster anti trust and
• 29:15
  Speaker 17: it's I think a similar thing here, kind of you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 17: identify some clear losers, don't really make too many winners,
• 29:22
  Speaker 17: and it's a bit more about the vibe of it
• 29:24
  Speaker 17: rather than substantive economics.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Is it a version of the politics of envy?
• 29:29
  Speaker 17: I think that's a fairly accurate way to characterize it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 17: I think the big thing out of this was you
• 29:35
  Speaker 17: could see the boomer bashing. You could see who losers
• 29:37
  Speaker 17: but millennials and gen Z five bucks a week through
• 29:42
  Speaker 17: the watteau and the negative gearing changes. I'm fine with
• 29:45
  Speaker 17: but you know that's more about like leveling the playing
• 29:47
  Speaker 17: field or an auction, not building more houses, not making
• 29:50
  Speaker 17: house prices more accessible.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: See that's the critical point about this budget.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: It was easy to read the budget papers and speech
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in a political sense clear to see what Albani charmers
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: we're trying to do that is sort of attack of
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: boomers and say that they're pitching everything to the young.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: But it's impossible to see really how anything in this
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: budget will help young people get more money to get
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: into the housing market or for the housing market to
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: produce more supply at lower costs.
• 30:17
  Speaker 17: I think that's exactly right, and like you say, you
• 30:20
  Speaker 17: can see the political narrative, but it's hard to see
• 30:23
  Speaker 17: the economic substance for young Australians. And I think when
• 30:26
  Speaker 17: that reality sinks in, people be pretty disappointed. And the
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: early polling certainly suggests that younger Australians aren't too impressed
• 30:33
  Speaker 17: with it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: This is what worries me about it. Tell me what
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you think this will do in the macroeconomic sense. I mean,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: will it help this economy grow and prosper and therefore
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: create more opportunities for younger Australians.
• 30:44
  Speaker 17: No, I don't think so, and I said in my
• 30:46
  Speaker 17: Budget lockup column in the AFR something along the lines
• 30:50
  Speaker 17: of this makes yachts more attractive and productivity increasing investments
• 30:54
  Speaker 17: less attractive for wealthy Australians. I mean, we're taxing investment more,
• 31:00
  Speaker 17: taxing savings more, will people are going to do less
• 31:03
  Speaker 17: of it and they'll do more consumption. That's not good
• 31:05
  Speaker 17: for the economy overall, and it's certainly not good for
• 31:07
  Speaker 17: young Australian.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I was speaking to someone on the weekend who just
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: in the last year or two has combined with a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: couple of other investors for a startup. They now employ
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: five people. The whole thing, of course, is not generating
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: much money and they're not paying huge wages. The whole
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: trade off is that you get that thing up and
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: running and then you sell it. That's the game, is
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the capital gain right, And they're actively looking now whether
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: they should shift the whole operation to Singapore or New
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Zealand before they get to that stage. How big a
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: threat do you think that idea of people shifting investments
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to zero capital gains tax areas is for our economy.
• 31:46
  Speaker 17: I think that's very real, and I think it's even
• 31:48
  Speaker 17: more real for potential startup founders who say, am I
• 31:51
  Speaker 17: going to do it here? Or am I going to
• 31:52
  Speaker 17: do it in Singapore or New Zealand. I mean we're
• 31:55
  Speaker 17: in a global market for not just financial capital, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 17: for talent. This price capital offshore and very often with
• 32:01
  Speaker 17: these sort of startups that's what the employees who work
• 32:04
  Speaker 17: for it are looking at. They're looking at equity.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Well exactly, they give them equity and so they're working
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: for they're taking lower wages for that same promise.
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: And that trade offs just you know, changed a lot,
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: if not evaporated.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Now and how you talk about mobility, a lot of
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: these jobs can be done of course from home, whether
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: they're very mobile, you don't need much space. Could the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: companies be registered in New Zealand or Singapore but the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: work's still done there or would that be problematic?
• 32:28
  Speaker 17: Quite possibly? And people who look into that and it's
• 32:31
  Speaker 17: very hard to stop that kind of thing. So I
• 32:32
  Speaker 17: think that's one of the issues throughout this budget is
• 32:36
  Speaker 17: what are the compliance costs going to be, what are
• 32:37
  Speaker 17: the workarounds going to be? How is it going to
• 32:40
  Speaker 17: affect people's behaviors?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Tell me, there's a big theme that we hear constantly
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: from Albanisi and Charmers, and that is that what they're
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: trying to do is even up the tax treatment of
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: income from work and income from assets. Why shouldn't they
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: be treated differently because we want to encourage investment, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: people only invest money to have paid the initial tax
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: on that money. So why shouldn't investments be taxed less
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: heavily than other income?
• 33:06
  Speaker 17: Well, there should be, and that's the critical point. In
• 33:09
  Speaker 17: order to get a capital gain, you had to invest.
• 33:11
  Speaker 17: In order to invest, you had to earn the money
• 33:13
  Speaker 17: and pay tax on it at ordinary income tax rates.
• 33:15
  Speaker 17: That's why every advanced economy taxes capital at a preferential
• 33:20
  Speaker 17: rate to labor income, because you don't want that form
• 33:23
  Speaker 17: of effectively double taxation disincense to invest. Everyone does it,
• 33:30
  Speaker 17: and there's a very strong rationale for that. Now, So
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: where just into it?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: So where does this idea come from that we hear
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: from Charmers in Alberti that somehow you have to even
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: up that tax treatment.
• 33:39
  Speaker 17: Well, it's a very powerful narrative, isn't it. Why should
• 33:42
  Speaker 17: why should you be taxed you young way journer be
• 33:45
  Speaker 17: taxed at a higher rate than that old person? Who's
• 33:48
  Speaker 17: sort of sitting on some capital. Well, as I've said
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: for a long time, you know, young wage journers are
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: taxed too much. But the way to deal with that
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: is tax consumption more and income less. Yeah, thanks for
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: joining us, Richard.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Good to be with you.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: A great voice of reason there, Professor Richard Holden from
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the University of New South Wales.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'll catch up with Christen Tight
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in the US to discuss the lightest pills of wisdom
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: from Michelle obonas she's heading to OZ.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: We'll across the Christen Tight in the US in just
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a moment. But first, Donald.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Trump has threatened a fresh attack on Iran, then quickly
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: called it off a few hours later. Here's the US
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: President this morning.
• 34:30
  Speaker 18: We were getting ready to do a very major attack tomorrow.
• 34:33
  Speaker 18: I've put it off for a little while. Hopefully maybe forever,
• 34:35
  Speaker 18: but possibly for a little while. If I was asked
• 34:38
  Speaker 18: by Saudi Arabia Guitar Yue and some others if we
• 34:42
  Speaker 18: could put it off for two or three days, a
• 34:45
  Speaker 18: short period of time, because they think that they are
• 34:48
  Speaker 18: getting very close to making a deal, and if we
• 34:50
  Speaker 18: can do that where there's no nuclear weapon going into
• 34:53
  Speaker 18: the hands of Iran, I think, and if they're satisfied,
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: we will be probably satisfied.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: All so, who can keep up hi It's been on again,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: off again for a number of weeks now. As I
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: put to Christian, I think it was US baseball guy
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Jagi Bea who famously put it this way.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: It's daija vu all over again.
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: Yes, that's exactly right. However, I like where Trump is
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: going with this. I think Trump's instincts here are actually
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: more aligned with the MAGA base than with the foreign
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: policy establishment. The base we want leverage and deterrence, not
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: another decades long conflict. And when voters hear this rhetoric
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: about pauses and air strikes, they're not hearing weakness like
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: a lot of these analysts on television will say, they're
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: actually hearing relief, especially here in the US as gas
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: prices are going up. And the most telling part about
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: this new development actually is that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: the UAE are begging for restraint. I mean, even the
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: countries that are kind of the closest to this conflict,
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: and these are places that usually take a hard line
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: in Iran, they are saying, hey, maybe we should slow
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: down here. So I think Trump's.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Decision to postpone.
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: This strait tells you something important, which is that when
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: military planners game this out, they may be seeing that
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: this is not necessarily a clean one night operation. This
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: could become a broader conflict very quickly.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we wait to see the outcome, and that's the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: only time we can really assess this is when we
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: see what sort of a deal there is. But I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: agree all of Trump's critics should be supporting him in
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: this in restraint in trying to do this to resolve
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the situation without further military action. I want to go
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: to a terrible shooting in the US overnight our time,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and that is in San Diego where police are telling
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: us this is a hate crime, most likely directed at
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: a Muslim community.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Have to listen to the latest from the police.
• 36:53
  Speaker 19: There are details and information that we are investigating.
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: Is to.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: What those.
• 37:03
  Speaker 19: With the hate speech or the hate words were that
• 37:05
  Speaker 19: were conveyed. There was definitely hate rhetoric that was involved with.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Now Christian The term Mislamophobia, I think is overused. We
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: had a horrible attack in New Zealand only seven years
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: ago where fifty people would commed down in a horrendous
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: atrocity at two mosques. This does look like a hate
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: crime in California.
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: Yes, and five people are dead here. Obviously, this is tragic.
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: And one reason that Americans are so on edge right
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: now across the country is because we feel so culturally
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: fractured in every direction right now, and we are deeply
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: anxious in this country about extremism and stability and these
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: kind of like rising tensions globally. So this is a
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: moment for everybody to kind of take a brass and
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: realize that things are getting way too heated. Rhetoric is
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: getting too heated, and everyone needs to agree this is wrong.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: Violence against any group is wrong. That really shouldn't be
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: hard to say, but yes, this is a very tragic situation.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, white and say what more details emerged from that,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: but an absolute tragedy, a hate crimes as concluded stisfied
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: by police. Let's go to Michelle Obama because she's due
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to arrive in Australia and share her pills of wisdom
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: with us in coming days. And she's had something it's
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: interesting to say in a podcast about whether people should
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: denigratee or demonies or elect you.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Trump voters have a.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Look, you can't just.
• 38:39
  Speaker 20: Pigeonhole them and say you just don't care and you're
• 38:41
  Speaker 20: racist or whatever you're thinking. This is an act of
• 38:45
  Speaker 20: I don't know what else to do. I just wish
• 38:50
  Speaker 20: we had more leaders that were figuring out how to
• 38:52
  Speaker 20: do more for the middle class, for the work in folks.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You've got to admire the logic here. You don't want
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to patronize Trump voters because I just don't know what
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: they're doing effectively.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: I mean, she did say the quiet part out loud there,
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: which is that liberals still fundamentally don't understand Trump voters.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: When she says people voted for.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: Trump because they didn't know what else to do, that
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: sounds still incredibly dismissive of the country. So even Michelle
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: Obama's really missing the mark here. Maga voters did know
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: what else to do. They voted for Trump as a
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: way to reject the inflation, the DEI lectures, the crime,
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: the open borders, all of the disasters that we saw
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: under the Biden administration. And this is why Democrats struggle
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: with working class voters right now. They analyzed Trump voters
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: like anthropologists. Instead of just listening to them, you could
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: just ask a Trump voter, why did you vote for Trump?
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: They will tell you.
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: But a lot of these liberals they don't even know
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: any Trump voters.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Look, it's the same with the lift here in the stride.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It's the same around the world. The lefts they don't
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: know why the other people vote against the Left. They
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: just know it's not because of anything the Left is
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: done wrong.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: Of course it's not. Of course they never bother to
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: ask to find one Trump voter on the street and
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: ask them.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: They will tell you, but I sure will.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: They're so out of touch they sure Thanks for joining us, Kristen,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris Kristen Tate versus Michelle Obama. That would
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: be a good debate, wouldn't It won't ever happen. Unfortunately,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: we're better get to a break on the other side.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Don't find out if Susio O'Brien and Steven Senta Tempe
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: can tell me what a woman is great to catch
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: up with our Tuesday panel. Susio' brien, the News Corps
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: National Education Editor, joins us every Tuesday from Melbourne and
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Steven sena Tempo breakfast host that two double c joins
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: us from Canberra. Great to speak to both of you again.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Just some breaking news as we go to air, reported
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: in The Australian by Mohammad Alfarez. He's telling us that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: there are eight more Isis brides eminently leaving Syria heading
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to Australia. This is probably disturbing news for most of
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the country, I all thought, Stephen, given that three of
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the four adult women who arrived just recently have been charged.
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: Hasn't this one flown under the radar, Chris? I mean,
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: has the government rendered assistance or are they going to
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: deny that they rendered assistance this time. I'm led to
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: believe that the Syrian government is actually paying for them
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: to fly back to Australia. But still, you know, why
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: are we bringing problems into our country? And I know
• 41:38
  Speaker 12: that some of them are Australian citizens and we have
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: some sort of responsibility, but we don't seem to be
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: doing anything to vet these women, to make sure that
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: Australians who live here and haven't gone to fight with
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: terrorist organizations are safe.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's deeply worrying, Susie. This is the point that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: the Syrian and Iraqi governments are very keen to get
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: rid of these people. It's a bit like the guars
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and refugees for one of a better words, who were
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: brought to Australia. You know, Gaza Shares are a border
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: with Egypt that Egypt doesn't want them.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: But Australia seems all too willing to put up its hand.
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: Well, look, I mean we knew that there were still
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: more Isis brides over there and their children. There's eighteen
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: people still in the hourage camp that have Australian pass
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: sports just a matter of time before they ended up
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: on our shores. And I think what happened last time
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: is going to be very instructive because three of the four,
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: as you've said, are still in jail and very serious crimes.
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: So we're expecting the same.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Thing, very serious allegation. And again what.
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: Stephen absolutely and what Stephen said is absolutely correct. What
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: role has the government had to play in getting them
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: back exactly?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Well, it essentially tells a furfey on that one. It
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: says it's rendered no assistance, But what it means is
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: its department has only rendered the assistance which to which
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: it needs to do, which are two totally different things
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of course the government has assisted. Let's get to the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: government and the budget and refresh our memory of how
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: social media is interpreting Jim Chalmers fifth budget.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Have a look, sweet, I just passed go I get
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: two hundred buck whole there, buddy, this is Australian and
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: opotly fifty percent of your income is tax is serious.
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: But now I'm champion in a fundom still handsome ringing
• 43:28
  Speaker 12: for ransoms.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I'll buy that property.
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: Okay, that'll be two point five million dollars.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: What it's old ken roadan Mounta Drewet. It's supposed to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: be the cheapest properties in the game the Australian housing market.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Mate, nothing's cheap.
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: Working hard to make a livent.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Gee, Stephen, this must be a shock to the Labor government,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: you know, tune into that left as cesspool of the
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: social media which is normally blowing smoke in their direction.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: They're actually getting some criticism.
• 43:58
  Speaker 12: Attention Chris bow and Claire o Neil and all the
• 44:00
  Speaker 12: other ministers for TikTok. That's how you do funny social media,
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: not the stupid stuff that you guys put up all
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: the time. Look, I think it's absolutely hilarious. I saw
• 44:09
  Speaker 12: these things start to pop up a few days ago,
• 44:11
  Speaker 12: all of these people saying, this is my new silent
• 44:13
  Speaker 12: partner in my business. He gets forty seven percent of
• 44:15
  Speaker 12: everything I earn. Look it's the truth, isn't it. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 12: all Albo can say is oh well, at least some
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: of the pitches were flattering, though AI generated your clown.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Look, there's a very serious sight to this, of course, Susie.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: The budget was pitched at younger Australians and certainly many
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: of them are not buying it. They know that if
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you're being taxed forty seven percent of everything you create
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: in terms of capital game from your business, that ain't
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: exactly fair.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: That's reeks of socialism.
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: All right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: And Charmers was saying, you know, eight years ago he
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: was saying, we want to target the top end of town,
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: and certainly on election budget night, that's where the focus was,
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: particularly the negative hearing. But what we're seeing now is
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: that the impact is felt all the way through the
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: economy because people from all walks of life, particularly those
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: at the bottom end, have small businesses and they're the
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: people that are doing it the toughest at the moment. Now,
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: they've just found that if they sell their business, their
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: tax is going to be double and they're absolutely ropable. Essay,
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: how is it that he now owns half my business?
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: He hasn't made one coffee snipped one year, Yes, exactly,
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: change not.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Later brick, He's not later brick. Yeah, what a shock.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Let me go on to the tricky issue of gender. Well,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: some people make it, want to make it very tricky.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor and the coalition promising to legislate back to biology.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: You can call yourself whatever you like, you can be trans,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: We respect you, but in the end, your biology, your
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: sex under the law equates to your biology. Now, the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: new South Wales Labor Premier Chris Mins has said something
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: similar relating to prisons.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: At least, if you're born biologically male and you change
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: your government certificates to be female, it will not mean
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: that you can change from a male prison to a
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: female prison. There are biological differences that are inherent and
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: the law needs to reflect that here.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Here, and it's important for prisons, Susie, but it's also
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: very important for change rooms and sporting events and even
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: social media spaces.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean this is a really interesting one because
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: who was it that was us today about you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: define a woman as she said, Oh you know, well
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: legally or can't say, I'll get if you want to
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: answer adult biological female. And look, I do respect people
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: with a transgender identity, with a female identity, but you
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: know what biology matters. I'm a female, I've had babies,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: I've had periods, going into menopause. Whatever, My biology should
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: bloody well count for something and more than just a identity.
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: So I think we should respect the transgender identity, however,
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: not give away gender as a biological status altogether.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so disrespectful to women in particular in most
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: of these cases.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But before I come to you, Steve, and I just
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: want to a reminder from last year where.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Claire Chandler was speaking to the sex discrimination commissioner who
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: ought to be all over this stuff ever listened.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: Did you mean that biological males can be women.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Men?
• 47:32
  Speaker 20: So I think that we have different language that perhaps
• 47:35
  Speaker 20: you're using that I would use.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: So I don't understand the term biological men.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: She doesn't understand the term biological men. It's like we're devolving.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Evolution must have peaked twenty years ago. We're going backwards now.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It's like that movie idiocracy.
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: I don't know if you remember it a few years ago,
• 47:55
  Speaker 12: where people just gradually get dumber and dumber. Of course,
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: the definition of a woman is the most maybe and
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: creature God ever created, both alluring and terrifying at the
• 48:03
  Speaker 12: same time. But I think Susie Nail hit the nail
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: on the head. It's as somebody born with xx chromosomes
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: and sands mail appendages.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's not that hard, okay.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So in our service to the nation, tonight, we've defined
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: what a woman is. Next week we'll tell you what
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: women really think. Thanks and Steve will catch up next week.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: We're nearly out of time. A little bit of your
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: feedback on the budget though from last week.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: One viewer is saying we've changed our position. We lie
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: to everyone.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good interpretation of the English language, I think.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: And another viewer says, if labor gets to change their mind,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: let us change our vote.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Well, you do get to do that. Next time you
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: have to have an election. Going to be a rocky
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: road till then. I'll see you tomorrow night. Here's Peter