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55KRC Wednesday Show - Jack Atherton, AFP, Tom Clavin, Judge Napolitano, Laketa Cole · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite subjects of late. Tom Cravin's got
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Speaker 1: another article about using military force to kill people in
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Speaker 1: speedboats in international waters fifteen hundred miles away from the
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Speaker 1: United States. The Judge and I share our I share
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Speaker 1: the same objection to that. Neither of us believe it
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Speaker 1: to be constitutional or lawful. I know, if we have
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Speaker 1: an eminent threat, we're allowed to go after somebody. But
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Speaker 1: just because the drugs are fifteen hundred miles away and
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Speaker 1: are intended perhaps we don't know what those people are
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Speaker 1: thinking are intended for the shores of the United States.
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Speaker 1: We do have our own territorial waters where we can
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Speaker 1: easily grab them. Look, if we can track a submarine
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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred two thousand miles away, we can probably follow
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Speaker 1: it to the coast of the United States of America,
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Speaker 1: send out the coast Guard and pick it up. Maybe
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Speaker 1: drop a depth charge or something. I don't know, but anyway,
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Speaker 1: that's at least the subject of his article. Maybe other
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Speaker 1: topics to talk about. Maybe the judge wants to talk
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Speaker 1: about a shutdown, by the way, the government still shut
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Speaker 1: down after after Judge Napolitano. I'm interested in having Lakita
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Speaker 1: Cole on the program. Look, she's on the program beginning
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Speaker 1: at the last segment of the program, Charter Committee candidate
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Speaker 1: for Sinceei City Council. We'll talk about police Chief Teresa Thiji,
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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about her campaign. Nikita Cole coming up
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Speaker 1: Scoop with Bright Bart News. John Bender returned to the program.
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Speaker 1: That was yesterday at eight oh five We got the
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Speaker 1: Empower You Mike McCormick thing. My son produced that last night.
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Speaker 1: He does help out with empower You and Pretty Eye Opening.
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Speaker 1: My wife watched it. I was at a fun fundraiser
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Speaker 1: for Corey Bowman last night. The good people of Wyoming,
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Speaker 1: I know, a very blue leaning community, but they have
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Speaker 1: a lot of conservative minded folks. But they also have
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Speaker 1: a lot of concern for what goes on the city
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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. Why because Wyoming butt's right up against the
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Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati, and the elections in the City of Cincinnati,
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Speaker 1: as I've pointed out many times over the years, impact
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Speaker 1: the entire region. I mean Butler County, Warren County, Claremont County.
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Speaker 1: Of course, all the people in Hamilton County got Northern
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Speaker 1: Kentucky impacted by the actions of the city of Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: Even some carryover into Southeast Indiana to a certain degree,
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Speaker 1: it's important what they do. It's the well, the center
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Speaker 1: of the wheel. And so of course, the closer you
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Speaker 1: get to the city of Cincinnati's borders, the more the
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Speaker 1: city's activities and decision making impacts you. And that, of
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Speaker 1: course resulted in a lot of people in Wyoming interested
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Speaker 1: in hearing what Corey Bowman is about, what he is
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Speaker 1: running for, what his policies are, and maybe providing him
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Speaker 1: with some financial support, maybe some yard signs, maybe reaching
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Speaker 1: out and talking to the people that they know in
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Speaker 1: the city. And it was good because Corey asked people
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Speaker 1: to raise their hands. Anybody in this room have businesses
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Speaker 1: in downtown Cincinnati? About four or five people raise their hand.
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Speaker 1: Does anybody in the room have relatives or friends that
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Speaker 1: live in the city of Cincinnati. A whole bunch of
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Speaker 1: people raise their hand, So appeal to them. Listen, you
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Speaker 1: know you're impacted. Can you reach out? And that's a
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Speaker 1: great thing. And I'm going to ask my listeners you
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Speaker 1: might not live in the city, and you might not.
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Speaker 1: Now why has Thomas spent so much time talking about
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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati election. Well, I just explained that it's critically important,
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Speaker 1: but you have influence and sway over people who might
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Speaker 1: not even consider going in and voting when you only
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Speaker 1: expect twenty five or six percent voter turnout. Your vote
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Speaker 1: is so important if you live in the city, So
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Speaker 1: engage in some outreach. Call up your friends, your residents
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Speaker 1: in the city. You know them. I have a conversation
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Speaker 1: with him listening, you're happy about I have to have
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Speaker 1: provoll Do you believe he's paying attention to the needs
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Speaker 1: of the city residents. Do you think he really has
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Speaker 1: an action plan that's going to effectively deal with crime?
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Speaker 1: Do you believe he's effectively dealt with crime thus far?
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that he was a propriating his treatment
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Speaker 1: of police Chief Threes the Thigi I was Cheryl Long.
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Speaker 1: Now Cheryl Long took the directive from AFTAB aftabs looking
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Speaker 1: for cover, and there's some internal pulling floating around out there,
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Speaker 1: which suggests maybe AFTAB is in trouble. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to interject too much optimism on this, because I'm a realist.
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Speaker 1: I understand what a colossal Sissophian battle that Corey Bowman
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Speaker 1: is facing when he's challenging a Democrat mayor incumbat of course,
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Speaker 1: in a very blue city, but there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: very angry sow I say, red in the face, angry
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Speaker 1: Blue voters that may turn their back on the status quo.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I thought it was so refreshing to
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Speaker 1: see all those residents of Wyoming showing up at the
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Speaker 1: meeting and finding out about what Corey Bowman is, maybe
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Speaker 1: seeing him for the first time. And I appreciate the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to be there. Tara, thank you for inviting me
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Speaker 1: to facilitate that. It was a wonderful opportunity. Yesterday, Police
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Speaker 1: Chief Theji's lawyer was out made some really good points.
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Speaker 1: Finny Law firm. Stephen m of the Fidy Law Law Firm,
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Speaker 1: in a written statement which he read to the press,
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Speaker 1: called the decision putting her own administrative leave disheartening, describing
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Speaker 1: Chief Thigi as devastated and the fundamental point, which I
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Speaker 1: thought was an excellent one, they had no reason of
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Speaker 1: taking any action against her, he said. In fact, the
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Speaker 1: city does not even have a claim or does not
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Speaker 1: even claim to have a cause for removing her from
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Speaker 1: her job. And think about that, it's a very valid point.
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Speaker 1: Why was Police Chief Thiji removed because of what crime?
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Speaker 1: Isn't she limited in her ability to deal with crime,
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Speaker 1: because of course she's been told by the mayor and
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Speaker 1: the city manager how to run the operation. But she's
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Speaker 1: also short staffed a lot. She's got to juggle the
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Speaker 1: walls of dealing with overtime and some really exhausted police officers.
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Speaker 1: She's got to deal with a declining number of police
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Speaker 1: officers because so many of them are taking early retirement.
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Speaker 1: But his point, he elaborated, to a certain degree, the
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Speaker 1: governed the city's government by the city charter, And he
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Speaker 1: pointed out, and I'm going to take him at his word,
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Speaker 1: after six months of employment, she can only be dismissed
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Speaker 1: for cause. This is not at will employment. Apparently, now
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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, you and I are subject
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Speaker 1: to at will employment unless we've got a contract, unless
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Speaker 1: we have got, say a union, or we have a
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Speaker 1: charter that specifically deals with the terms and conditions of
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Speaker 1: our employment. We out here in the private sector don't
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Speaker 1: have that. But apparently the city charter requires cause for dismissal. Now,
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Speaker 1: what is it that she did that creates the cause
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Speaker 1: to have her removed? His point, Stephen, nothing. Then, he said,
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Speaker 1: she's being used as a political scapegoat. And political pond
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Speaker 1: Terry deserves better than this, since I deserves better than this. Well,
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Speaker 1: I stopped when I read that statement, and I thought,
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Speaker 1: you know what, did I have to have Purval think
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Speaker 1: he was going to get some benefit from removing Chief DJ.
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Speaker 1: I mean she was hand selected by him and Cheryl Long,
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Speaker 1: hand selected by him and Cheryl Long over the police
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Speaker 1: department's best wishes. They had somebody else in mind, and
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Speaker 1: they overwhelming and rejected DJI and went with someone else.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't remember his name or her name,
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Speaker 1: but the point being the leader of the folks or
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Speaker 1: the leader of the police right selected by Purball along,
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Speaker 1: which is not what the police wanted. So their person
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Speaker 1: was in charge. And by all accounts, and ken Kober's
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Speaker 1: been on the program talking about this, widely reported. Of course,
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Speaker 1: she answered to both of them obviously a very politically
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Speaker 1: charged job, since the mayor and the city manager had
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to fire her. I guess with cause we
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Speaker 1: went down this road with Mike Washington. Michael Washington, former
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Speaker 1: fire chief. He's getting ready to get big fat payday
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Speaker 1: because city manager Long and after a par Ball canned
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Speaker 1: him for no reason. Ah't they didn't learn anything, which
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Speaker 1: makes me go back to think about this plan. If
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Speaker 1: she is intended to be the scapegoat, if sort of
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Speaker 1: look over there, Fiji's to blame for crime in the city,
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Speaker 1: says they have to have parble through Cheryl Long Whatever.
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? Are you buying that
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Speaker 1: or do you feel more like well, is he in
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Speaker 1: desperation mode? Is he really so concerned about his reelection
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Speaker 1: capable or his re election that he needs to deflect attention.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems like a dumb political maneuver.
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Speaker 1: If if really, in fact, he hopes that we all
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Speaker 1: believe Fiji's responsible for all of this. Anyway, Fiji apparently,
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Speaker 1: according to her attorney, she wants to go back to
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Speaker 1: work as police chief. She does not want to leave
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Speaker 1: the police department. She will not accept a lesser position.
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Speaker 1: She has no plan to resign at all, even though
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Speaker 1: the city apparently asked her to resign late last week.
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Speaker 1: Em said she was given no reason for that request,
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Speaker 1: she did not initiate discussions about her resignation, and she
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Speaker 1: had no desire to resign. She has no desire to resign.
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Speaker 1: She has no intention to resign. Close quote well, he
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Speaker 1: made that pretty clear, didn't he. So where did this
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Speaker 1: Where did this drum beat to go after Police Chief
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Speaker 1: DJ come from? Anyway?
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Speaker 3: Hmm?
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Speaker 1: Obviously politics are a play here. We have an election
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Speaker 1: fast approaching. I just wonder if the residents of the
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Speaker 1: city as little as they pay attention to politics generally.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I didn't sound like such a critic.
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Speaker 1: There's some residents of the city out there screaming at
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Speaker 1: the radio app me. You go, well, now we saw
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Speaker 1: we pay attention. Fine, Is there gonna be enough time
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Speaker 1: for the voters in the city of SINCEINNI who are
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Speaker 1: going to show up to absorb all this and process
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Speaker 1: it and try to make some sense out of it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. In a statement yesterday, Aftab par Ball
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Speaker 1: said he was referring to a meeting that he had
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Speaker 1: with interim Police Chief Henny. During that meeting, we discussed
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Speaker 1: his plan emphasis on greater use of technology, visibility, and
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Speaker 1: rapid response to critical incidents. In other words, the future
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Speaker 1: of crime fighting in downtown Cincinnati with the new interim
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Speaker 1: police chief. I suppose Aftab, since he was directing Police
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Speaker 1: Chief DJ all along about how she should conduct law enforcement,
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Speaker 1: probably could have sat down with her last week and
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Speaker 1: had this same conversation. Hey, Chief DJ, let's talk about
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Speaker 1: technology visibility, let's talk about rapid response to critical incidents.
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Speaker 1: And this is an Please, dear God if you know
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Speaker 1: the answer to what the hell this means? And I
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Speaker 1: kind of think I do, but I don't know because
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Speaker 1: this statement all I got is the statement from pearl
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Speaker 1: Ball from yesterday. All right, so during the meeting we
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Speaker 1: discussed his plan emphsis, love of technology, rapid response, incidence
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Speaker 1: and here's the further quote on top of spearheading the
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Speaker 1: recommendations from the Climate Assessment. What the hell is that?
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Speaker 1: You know? I first read that, knowing how green have
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Speaker 1: to have purvol is and how his emphasis seems to
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Speaker 1: be almost exclusively on green energy policies and reducing carbon
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Speaker 1: emissions from the City of Cincinnati, pardon of me wanted
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Speaker 1: to believe that's exactly what he was talking about. What
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Speaker 1: are we dealing with the police chiefs or the police
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Speaker 1: departments emissions? Now, actually, maybe the Climate Assessment is this
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Speaker 1: evaluation they're doing on police chief Fiji, which her lawyer
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Speaker 1: pointed out is like reverse engineering. We've seen this with
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Speaker 1: the like the federal government administration. You go out into
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Speaker 1: the world, you have no indication that any wrongdoing has happened,
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Speaker 1: go through the records, violate people's constitutional rights, and then
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Speaker 1: discover a crime and then prosecute him for a crime
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Speaker 1: that you had no probable cause to believe had been committed.
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Speaker 1: Here asked about the investigation of the city is conducting
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Speaker 1: into Fiji and who would be responsible for it? Her lawyers,
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Speaker 1: Your guess is as good as mine. Here we go.
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Speaker 1: This is a situation where a sentence has already been
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Speaker 1: passed on Terry, and now the city is looking to
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Speaker 1: see if they can find a crime that she committed.
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Speaker 1: In other words, they have no basis to terminate her
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Speaker 1: under the city charter. There is no cause to dismiss
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Speaker 1: or pause for a moment per run administrative leave, rifle
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Speaker 1: through the records, rifle through her conduct. Talk to some
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Speaker 1: police officers, see if we can't drum up some things
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Speaker 1: to charge her with and provide a justification for firing her.
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Speaker 1: Five twenty fifty five k C Detalk station. Feel free
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Speaker 1: to call. Got plenty of things going on this morning,
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Speaker 1: looking forward to phone calls, and of course, bottomly, our
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Speaker 1: news stack is stupid. I'll be right back fifty five
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Speaker 1: harm five twenty three eighty two to three pound five
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Speaker 1: fifty one eight. He founds, you know, further to this
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Speaker 1: whole Fiji thing, nobody seems to have any idea what's
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Speaker 1: going on. Scott Wortman over the Inquirre, trying to get
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Speaker 1: some comments from since A council members. They pretty much
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Speaker 1: have no idea. Frustrated one word used to describe the
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Speaker 1: situation court of Wartman's reporting. Some city council members who
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Speaker 1: talk with the enquire express frustration. Quote from city councilman
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Speaker 1: Jeff Crammerting, I'm very frustrated this is happening in public,
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Speaker 1: meaning this employment dispute. I think, as he characterized it,
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Speaker 1: personnel decisions, he said, are the responsibility of the city manager. Well,
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Speaker 1: of course, but the person who's in charge of the
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Speaker 1: Cincinna Police Department, the appointment of that person is always
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Speaker 1: subject to scrutiny. It's always been followed and reported on
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Speaker 1: every time they go out into the world looking for
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Speaker 1: a replacement for the chief because one retires. If something happens,
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Speaker 1: Chief Craig leaves or whatever, it's always reported. And of
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Speaker 1: course this reflects a breakdown in the administration. The current
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Speaker 1: administration a mighty so it's very newsworthy to talk about this.
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Speaker 1: So he can be frustrated all day long. But this
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Speaker 1: is a personal decision which widely impacts the residents of
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Speaker 1: the city. So yes, it's gonna be reported. Vice Marriage
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Speaker 1: michel lemon Kearney. I'm sure the chief is still in charge.
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Speaker 1: Although she said that on Monday, we all know that, No,
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Speaker 1: she is no longer in charge. Scottie Johnson, countsman. It's
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Speaker 1: an administrative issue that I don't have a clue about.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on his words. All I
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Speaker 1: know is what you guys are reporting now. Isn't that
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Speaker 1: a reflection of a poorly oiled machine, this administration. Don't
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Speaker 1: you think it would be important purvol surrounded by Democrats,
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Speaker 1: they're all the same stripe. Don't you think he would
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Speaker 1: set it out for him? Here's what's going on, Here's
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Speaker 1: why I'm doing this. You're gonna all get outs questions
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Speaker 1: about it. I want to be clear with you, I
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Speaker 1: want to be open with you. I want to give
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Speaker 1: you the explanation of why this is going on. No, nothing,
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Speaker 1: it is a personal decision. Council members aren't a part
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Speaker 1: of the decision making process, but they're certainly interested in
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Speaker 1: the outcome and how we got from there to hear
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Speaker 1: AFTAB going back to a suggestion by Christopher Smithman, it's
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Speaker 1: an outstanding one. More and more people. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: even ask Lakdaicle to tell into the program when she's
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Speaker 1: on if she likes the idea. Rather than let the
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Speaker 1: manager and the mayor be exclusively responsible for hiring and
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Speaker 1: firing the chief, obviously politicizing the role heavily, why not
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Speaker 1: require one hundred percent unanimous approval from the entire council
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Speaker 1: when hiring and firing a police chief. I think that's
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Speaker 1: a great idea. We'll see what happens for twenty six.
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Speaker 1: A new administration might bring that kind of change about
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Speaker 1: having dealt with this nonsense. Don't go away, We've got
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Speaker 5: Heany good morning. I definitely take advantage of the the
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Speaker 5: uh that that helped me out. And then throughout the
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Speaker 5: So this silliness down in in Cincinnati, it's just getting
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Speaker 5: better and better every day. And uh, I be listening
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Speaker 5: the way you're describing everything, it's obviously these people just
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Speaker 5: feel so comfortable in their little Democrat cocoon. Nobody's gonna
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Speaker 5: you know, nobody could do anything to them. I mean
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Speaker 5: that nobody could stop them from doing the Uh. For
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Speaker 5: a for a council member to say, I have no
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Speaker 5: idea what's going on with what's happening with the police chief,
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's just that just sounds like they're a
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Speaker 5: bunch of bubbling idiots or or Brian, they're liars. It's
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Speaker 5: either one or the In a way, you don't have
20:02
Speaker 5: any business running a major city in the United States
20:06
Speaker 5: of America.
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Speaker 1: You're either incompetent, are you a lying to us, in
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Speaker 1: which case you don't deserve my vote?
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Speaker 7: I don't. I don't.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't understand. I'm still to this day,
20:16
Speaker 5: do not understand the thinking of your basic voter who
20:19
Speaker 5: just say, oh Democrats, Oh Democrats are what's best for me?
20:23
Speaker 5: You are You aren't paying attention. You really aren't. There's
20:27
Speaker 5: no way you can be. And so for their listeners
20:31
Speaker 5: there that that either are Cincinnati voters or no, and
20:35
Speaker 5: or no people that vote in Cincinnati. You have what's
20:38
Speaker 5: being put in front of you and what's being said
20:41
Speaker 5: about but you have options. You have people who are
20:45
Speaker 5: coming in and saying, I have a better way of
20:48
Speaker 5: doing something. Here's my proposal, here's my suggestion on what
20:52
Speaker 5: we should do differently. And so look at what's going
20:56
Speaker 5: on and then looking at what you're hearing different and
21:01
Speaker 5: make a decision and what's best for you. Because all
21:04
Speaker 5: of these people that have these ability to make these decisions,
21:08
Speaker 5: all these people and that are elected or appointed or
21:11
Speaker 5: wherever they get in their position, they directly affect your life,
21:15
Speaker 5: whether you want to acknowledge it or not. If you
21:18
Speaker 5: can't stick your head in the sand and not be
21:21
Speaker 5: affected by these people, you could try to ignore it.
21:24
Speaker 5: You can decide you don't want to do anything about it,
21:26
Speaker 5: but it still affects you. It affects your wallet, it
21:29
Speaker 5: affects the safety of your community, It affects you. You
21:33
Speaker 5: need to take responsibility as a voter and do something
21:37
Speaker 5: about it. My wife and I vote in every single
21:40
Speaker 5: election that comes around in cole Rane Township. We look
21:43
Speaker 5: at it, we check it out, we do our research,
21:45
Speaker 5: and we vote. We go down the street and we
21:47
Speaker 5: go to our polling place that we vote. Why, Because
21:49
Speaker 5: this stuff affects us directly, property taxes, whatever it is,
21:54
Speaker 5: it affects us. So I mean, if I'm just gonna
21:57
Speaker 5: sit at home, then I got nothing to complain about
22:00
Speaker 5: out nothing. So I'm going to complain because I get
22:03
Speaker 5: up and I vote, and I get on here and
22:05
Speaker 5: I tell people, do something about your life, the people
22:08
Speaker 5: that are affecting your life. Get out and vote, and
22:11
Speaker 5: don't vote Democrat. Have a great day, Brian.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Tom, appreciate the sentiment as always, and see what
22:16
Speaker 1: Steve's got this morning. Steve, thanks for calling Happy ones
22:18
Speaker 1: say to you.
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Speaker 8: Good morning. I just want to call and thank Joe
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Speaker 8: and Tom on the phone and you the other day
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Speaker 8: for set me straight on the judges and the complications
22:28
Speaker 8: of dealing with judges that don't do their jobs. I
22:31
Speaker 8: had a good interaction yesterday with the Hamlin County BUTLERM sorry,
22:36
Speaker 8: Hamlin County Service Department about uh A break in, and
22:40
Speaker 8: then at the same time I ask them about the event.
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Speaker 7: With the.
22:44
Speaker 8: Supposal nazis with them sixteens or AR fifteen's over the
22:49
Speaker 8: overpass while ago, oh yeah, and I asked about I
22:52
Speaker 8: asked about the follow up, you know, or did they
22:54
Speaker 8: do anything? Did they you know, is it illegal for
22:56
Speaker 8: guys with masks to get in a back of a
22:58
Speaker 8: bots truck and go down the street. You know there's
23:01
Speaker 8: no seatbelts. What kind of laws are there? You know,
23:05
Speaker 8: if they were following them back to their cars and
23:06
Speaker 8: getting their lives of paid numbers and doing investigations. Supposedly
23:09
Speaker 8: they came from North they came from Tennessee, went up
23:12
Speaker 8: North Ohio, and then came to Ohio doing this kind
23:14
Speaker 8: of pranks. But I told him, I said, you're still
23:17
Speaker 8: affecting communities that you know by the white community. Think
23:22
Speaker 8: it will be approved of that. Supposedly they have a
23:25
Speaker 8: good investigation team that at tracked them all the way
23:27
Speaker 8: to Tennessee. I'm like, but this is and they are ANTIFA. Supposedly,
23:31
Speaker 8: I'm like, why aren't you putting the information out there?
23:34
Speaker 8: Let the community know that you are investigating and investigating
23:38
Speaker 8: this stuff. Put the people's names out there, because even
23:40
Speaker 8: if they committed misdemeanors, you know, when their employers like
23:43
Speaker 8: to know that they're paid in TIFA that are intimidating
23:46
Speaker 8: the black communities with guns. You know, more information needs
23:49
Speaker 8: to come out. Their anonymity is their weapon. Take it
23:52
Speaker 8: away from them, expose them.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's in the process of happening. Actually, maybe not
23:57
Speaker 1: locally in connects with that one incident, but ins far
23:59
Speaker 1: as anti if On and its activities are concerned. Cash
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Speaker 1: Matell just commented on that yesterday. They are busily investigating
24:06
Speaker 1: the money hierarchy that led to this. You know, loose
24:09
Speaker 1: knit ANTIFI group is actually a very well oiled machine
24:13
Speaker 1: backed by billions of dollars and million are actually hundreds
24:16
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, So criminals, I have one more.
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Speaker 6: Thing real quick.
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Speaker 8: So everybody talks about Manchi Pelosi and her stock markets, Well,
24:25
Speaker 8: the guy that spent on the news a lot lately
24:27
Speaker 8: is Rokahana. Everybody look into his trades.
24:29
Speaker 5: I've been following him.
24:30
Speaker 8: Making a lot of money off mister Rokahana and the
24:33
Speaker 8: games he plays, so he's on TV and stuff. Fact like,
24:37
Speaker 8: it's not a big deal. He sold all his stocks
24:40
Speaker 8: right before he put forth a bill for politicians not
24:42
Speaker 8: being able to trade. Well, the timing of it was
24:45
Speaker 8: right before that big first tariff drop, so he didn't
24:48
Speaker 8: lose any money. He has over two hundred and thirty
24:50
Speaker 8: million dollars in stocks. Find out what he's Everybody needs
24:53
Speaker 8: to look up and see what he started with before
24:55
Speaker 8: he started being a politician. How much money he's made.
24:58
Speaker 8: These politicians, some of these politicians make a lot more
25:02
Speaker 8: money than Nancy Pelosi.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all out.
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Speaker 8: It's all out there Capital trades dot Com. Look at
25:06
Speaker 8: the start doing follow the money and all crimes and
25:09
Speaker 8: everything else once you start finding these people out, but
25:13
Speaker 8: follow the politicians. I had a seventy one percent return
25:15
Speaker 8: rate following politicians. I made one hundred and eighty thousand
25:18
Speaker 8: dollars in sixteen months following politicians.
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Speaker 1: The greed Easy, the greased Palm Index. Find out who
25:26
Speaker 1: in the which lobbying groups are are funneling money into
25:31
Speaker 1: a various you know, toward various representatives and senators, and
25:35
Speaker 1: you'll hit the nail on the head of which companies
25:37
Speaker 1: are probably going to blow up in the stock market.
25:40
Speaker 1: Good jobs. Do you appreciate it? Keep following it, and yeah,
25:43
Speaker 1: keep your popcorn out for cash, matel This he said
25:46
Speaker 1: just yesterday. FBI is on the verge of unmasking the
25:49
Speaker 1: funding behind anti file and it is a frightening amount
25:52
Speaker 1: of very very wealthy people in organizations of substantial size
25:57
Speaker 1: five thirty seven right now stick around stack a stupid
25:59
Speaker 1: or more phone calls. Either way we go say okay
26:01
Speaker 1: with me, I'll be right back.
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Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC the talk station, KRC the talk station.
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Speaker 1: By forty one here fifty five KRCD talk station. Have
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Speaker 1: you e on Wednesday? Five three seven y two to
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Speaker 1: three talk or pound five fifty on AT and T
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Speaker 1: found the absence of call is going to go over
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Speaker 1: to the stack? Is stupid. This is one of those
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Speaker 1: moments in time when I really wish you could see
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Speaker 1: the mug shot. Think of Joe Walsh after about five
26:36
Speaker 1: years of a severe methamphetamine addiction. That's about the best
26:42
Speaker 1: that can paint the image here. Anyway. We go to
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Speaker 1: Habersham County, Georgia. Debuty's arrested h Man Friday night after
26:49
Speaker 1: they say he took an excavator out for a joy
26:52
Speaker 1: ride on County pop property. Danny Ross Robinson, are you
26:56
Speaker 1: doing that? Maybe we'll find out. Sixty six year old
26:59
Speaker 1: Danny Ross Robinson facing charges of driving under the influence
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Speaker 1: and theft by taking a motor vehicle. Incident involved a
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Speaker 1: Kamatsu PC two ninety LC excavator. Is that the model
27:09
Speaker 1: you own, Joe, you have the third generation, that's the
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Speaker 1: three hundred. Yeah. Anyway, he was traveling in this excavator
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Speaker 1: along Old Athens Highway about quarter to eight in the evening.
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Speaker 1: Deputies responded to the Happy Way trails way near the
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Speaker 1: site of an animal shelter. Finding the Kamatsu excavators stopped
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Speaker 1: on a private driveway. That's where they found Robinson and
27:35
Speaker 1: arrested him. WCA. Robinson damaged a mailbox with a thirty
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Speaker 1: ton excavator, but didn't hit any other structures and no
27:41
Speaker 1: one else was injured. All right. No word on what
27:48
Speaker 1: he was intoxicated on drugs. Ah, that is true, going
27:56
Speaker 1: blind on this one. Colorado Pueblo County Corner's Office canceled
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Speaker 1: it's quote safe and sweet close quote family friendly Halloween
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Speaker 1: party due to what is described as an ongoing concern
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Speaker 1: regarding twenty four rotting corpses that were found in the
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Speaker 1: previous Corners mortuary. What former Pueblocaddey Corner Brian Cotter fell
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Speaker 1: in o hot water August in August when twenty four
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Speaker 1: decomposing bodies were discovered behind a hidden door in the
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Speaker 1: mortuary home that he owned with his brother, some of
28:27
Speaker 1: the bodies reportedly decomposing. Four fifteen years Gotta resigned from
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Speaker 1: his elected position as the County corner of September and
28:38
Speaker 1: the early part of September, replaced by doctor Greg Garrek.
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Speaker 1: One of his first attempts at regaining community trust was
28:44
Speaker 1: the whole community Halloween event at the Corner's office, but
28:47
Speaker 1: the idea quickly met with pushback from the community. In
28:49
Speaker 1: the face of mounting criticism, well, the office eventually canceled
28:53
Speaker 1: the event. Our intemp was simply to provide a safe,
28:56
Speaker 1: family friendly opportunity for children and families to enjoy the
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Speaker 1: holiday together, as we had provided in the past. Become clear, however,
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Speaker 1: that the event was not well received by some members
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Speaker 1: karens in the community. We recognize and respect those concerns, Assuchs.
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Speaker 1: We've decided to cancel the event. So a few people complain,
29:13
Speaker 1: nobody has a good time, and isn't that the kind
29:15
Speaker 1: of thing you want to do on Halloween? You know,
29:17
Speaker 1: I don't believe in ghosts. I absolutely do not. I
29:22
Speaker 1: want to believe that there's something far more beautiful and
29:26
Speaker 1: magical and mysterious in the next life. That doesn't require
29:31
Speaker 1: me to float around on Earth being a voyeur. That
29:33
Speaker 1: is so weird to me is that God's plan for
29:36
Speaker 1: us to float around in nuisance people that are still alive.
29:39
Speaker 1: I'd like to think not so not to believe in ghosts,
29:41
Speaker 1: but if you believe in ghosts, you believe in haunted
29:43
Speaker 1: places and spaces. Hey, you got twenty four dead bodies,
29:46
Speaker 1: been rotten for the last fifteen years. Wouldn't you think
29:49
Speaker 1: that would be this spooky place to go? Just saying
29:53
Speaker 1: people go to mental institutions have been closed down for
29:56
Speaker 1: years because they claim to be haunted, you know, places
29:58
Speaker 1: where really bad things have happened. Anyhow, somebody complain Bubble
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Speaker 1: free to disagree with me or call about some other
30:09
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Speaker 1: Coming up next fifty five KRC Johnny Knoxville. HE'SHIO five
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Speaker 1: back to the stackers, Stupid and of course looking forward
30:22
Speaker 1: to seven oh five The Big Picture with Jack Allen,
30:24
Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil on property taxes. Jay, if you're out
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Speaker 1: there your favorite topic coming up at seven thirty with
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Speaker 1: Don on A Neil tom Claven with his book Running Deep.
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Speaker 1: Anybody interested in submarines out there to an inn an
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Speaker 1: judg jennenal Poultano on the Trumpian Headache and Lakita Cole
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Speaker 1: gonna be joining the program. Charter Committee Canada for since
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Speaker 1: a city Council. We'll jump over to the stack of stupid.
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Speaker 1: We got a twenty seven year old What are your
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Speaker 1: children doing? In this particular case, a sixteen year old
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Speaker 1: child out there being molested by a twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old man who's been sentenced one month in jail for
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Speaker 1: manipulating this young girl into having sex with him by
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Speaker 1: using quote devil worship language close quotes. According to prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: Scott Preston Farree also ordered to complete a year of
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Speaker 1: probation in addition to other restrictions, after the victim's mom
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Speaker 1: called the defendant's actions cruel. He was sent in October
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Speaker 1: twentieth previously pleaded guilty with a mental condition to forcible
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse and obstructing juxt justice. Amended to secondary in
31:30
Speaker 1: fact a second degree felonies, along with sexual extortion and
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Speaker 1: dealing in materials harmful to a minor third degree felony.
31:39
Speaker 1: The plea of November last year came after the judge
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Speaker 1: ruled he was competent to stand trial but he was
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Speaker 1: still suffering from a mental condition at the time of
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Speaker 1: the offense's decision made after the defendant had been evaluated
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Speaker 1: by state doctors Accordingly, according to the reporting, January of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, mom of the victim contacted the Sheriff's department,
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Speaker 1: reporting that she was concerned about text messages between her
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Speaker 1: daughter and this creep. She explained how the defendant was
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Speaker 1: manipulating her daughter into having sex. Court documents explained the
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Speaker 1: mother went on to say that Free had been using
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Speaker 1: some type of devil worship language to manipulate her into
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Speaker 1: having sex. When interviewed by deputies, girls said that he
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Speaker 1: instructed her to listen to dev and said quote Dev
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Speaker 1: would text her and tell her what she needed to
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Speaker 1: do to Scott. She went on to disclose that she
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Speaker 1: had been instructed by this dev on numerous occasions that
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Speaker 1: she needed to perform certain sex acts. Of course, she
32:38
Speaker 1: explained to law enforcement that if she did not cooperate
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Speaker 1: that she and her family would be cursed and they
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Speaker 1: would pay a great price for not doing what was
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Speaker 1: required of her. She stated it out of fear for
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Speaker 1: her safety and safety of her family, she would follow
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Speaker 1: the instructions that were provided by DEV. She said that
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Speaker 1: most of these would come through text, either through Instagram
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Speaker 1: and or standard text messages what are your children looking
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Speaker 1: at on their smart devices? Search of the phone reveal
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Speaker 1: an extensive text stream between her and DEV that included
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Speaker 1: graphic detail instructing on where she was to meet free
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Speaker 1: or free, the sex sex that she was to perform
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Speaker 1: in The threats that she did not comply with. The
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Speaker 1: instructions also told her to send naked photos of herself.
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Speaker 1: Text took place over a period of several months. During sentencing,
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Speaker 1: defense attorney asked the court to spare him from any sentence,
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Speaker 1: saying that he's been in treatment since the age of
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Speaker 1: two and is completely dependent on his parents, who are
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Speaker 1: wishing to move to Indiana. Heads Up Indiana listeners. Victim's
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Speaker 1: mom said Ferrey knew what he was doing regardless of
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Speaker 1: his mental condition, said their daughters deserve peace and someone
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Speaker 1: to stand up for the pain that she experienced. Jeez Louise,
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Speaker 1: good guy with a gun and this potation, good girl
33:58
Speaker 1: with a gun. Brave females. Shower shot dead an alleged
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Speaker 1: creep who had been groping another customer and also who
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Speaker 1: threatened to kill everyone inside the Los Angeles beauty store
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Speaker 1: where his shooting occurred. Deputy showed up at a pink
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Speaker 1: beauty supply in Compton three third in the afternoon found
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Speaker 1: a man dead from a gunshot wound. A court of
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Sheriff's Department official said the man entered the
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Speaker 1: store followed a female customer, who he then groped, prompting
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Speaker 1: employees to demand he leave.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: This guy became increasingly verbally assaulted towards employees and customers
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Speaker 1: at court, to the police report, and started throwing and
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Speaker 1: damaging merchandise in the store. Official said the incident rapidly escalated.
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Speaker 1: Employees and customers noted that the male had an object
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Speaker 1: in his hand that they thought was a knife, and
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Speaker 1: that the male made verbal threats that he was going
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Speaker 1: to kill and harm everyone in the store. After those threats,
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Speaker 1: another female customer pulled out a gun and fired a
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Speaker 1: warning show out of the suspect. The man then rushed
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Speaker 1: at the armed female customer, who obviously had another bullet.
35:07
Speaker 1: The gun squeezed off a second round, which proved to
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Speaker 1: be fatal. Police did not identify the man who was killed.
35:13
Speaker 1: Local news there to a report that he was a
35:15
Speaker 1: forty two year old with gang ties and a criminal
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Speaker 1: record including assaults, robberies, and thefts. Copp said the customer
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Speaker 1: who pulled the trigger did so out of fear for
35:23
Speaker 1: her safety and was not arrested. She's also cooperating with
35:26
Speaker 1: the detectives. Now up to the LA District County Attorney's
35:30
Speaker 1: off District Attorney's office rather to decide whether she's going
35:33
Speaker 1: to be charged. So valence footage from the beauty store
35:36
Speaker 1: suggests additional customers were present during the altercation and shooting,
35:40
Speaker 1: so there's plenty of witnesses. Internet of Things Every Friday
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Speaker 1: Tech Friday with Dave Hatter six point thirty. I'm going
35:50
Speaker 1: to say no on this one. I guess I understand
35:52
Speaker 1: the motivations for why you might want it, but I
35:54
Speaker 1: Am never going to put a camera on my toilet.
35:59
Speaker 1: Ida behind the toilet Giant Cohler Dakota is the name
36:05
Speaker 1: of the product. It's five hundred and ninety nine dollars.
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Speaker 1: It clamps over the rim of like a toilet bowl cleaner,
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Speaker 1: so it's underneath that lid, pointing an optical sensor at
36:15
Speaker 1: your excretions and secretions, which it then analyzes, I know,
36:21
Speaker 1: to detect tech things like blood, your gut, health, hydration status.
36:26
Speaker 1: And after five hundred and ninety nine dollars to buy
36:29
Speaker 1: the device to spy on your toilet and perhaps even you,
36:31
Speaker 1: there's a subscription fee that they say is between seventy
36:34
Speaker 1: and one hundred and fifty six bucks a year, depending
36:38
Speaker 1: on your plan choice. No text ad at toilet time.
36:43
Speaker 1: You sign in via fingerprint sensor so the device knows
36:46
Speaker 1: who's using it the article reporty please wash your hands
36:50
Speaker 1: before signing out or tracking your progress. Then, of course
36:55
Speaker 1: it comes with an app. You check the app for
36:57
Speaker 1: the day's analysis and over time. No, I no, I'm
37:09
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go now, Oh Joe, Larry, I'm
37:18
Speaker 1: sorry we're out of time in this segment, but I
37:19
Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say, and I
37:21
Speaker 1: don't care what it is, but you're gonna have to
37:22
Speaker 1: hang out for a few minutes. If you don't mind
37:24
Speaker 1: doing that, I'll take your call as soon as we
37:25
Speaker 1: get back after the top of the hour.
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Speaker 9: News Today's tough headlines coming up at the top of
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Speaker 9: the hours for Chicago.
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Speaker 1: That's a great city, that's like a war zone. Fifty
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Speaker 1: karose De Talk Station by Thomas right here, Wish and
37:45
Speaker 1: everybody a very happy Wednesday, and looking forward to an
37:47
Speaker 1: hour from now to Big Picture with Jack ovanan on
37:49
Speaker 1: truly affordable healthcare. Jack apparently has the answer to our problems.
37:54
Speaker 1: Don O'Neill Americans for Prosperity, property taxes. Donovan's gonna tackle that.
37:58
Speaker 1: At eight thirty and thirty, Brother Tom Claven's going to
38:01
Speaker 1: join the show. Running Deep, the name of his book
38:03
Speaker 1: about submarine submarines, Like, oh, all those different submarine books
38:08
Speaker 1: she got out there, the Tom Clancy books kind of things. Anyway,
38:11
Speaker 1: Tom Claven running Deep for my submarine or fans out there.
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Speaker 1: Eight h five Judging and Apolitano a Trumpian headache, the
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Speaker 1: name of his column, which I have a copy of
38:19
Speaker 1: in advance. We might be a delve into more than
38:22
Speaker 1: one just topic one topic, and then Charter Committee candidate
38:25
Speaker 1: for Cincinni City Council. Open voting going on right now.
38:27
Speaker 1: Lake to Call. She'll joined the program talking about police
38:31
Speaker 1: Chief Threes, Thigi and the saga that's been well unfolding
38:35
Speaker 1: before our very eyes and as well her campaign. So,
38:39
Speaker 1: as I promised, I'm going to take Larry's call, he
38:41
Speaker 1: was kind enough to hold over the break. Larry, thanks
38:43
Speaker 1: for holding over and welcome to the morning show.
38:47
Speaker 2: Yes, good morning. I would want to get an update
38:50
Speaker 2: from me if you can about the incident downtown there
38:53
Speaker 2: with the fellows that beat up the guy and the girl.
38:59
Speaker 2: Are they I haven't heard anything about. Are they still
39:03
Speaker 2: in jail? Do they have ankle monitors? And the guy
39:06
Speaker 2: that they beat up is he Did he ever get
39:10
Speaker 2: released or is he still in jail? Do you have
39:11
Speaker 2: any kind of I don't think that.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the guy that got beat up. I
39:15
Speaker 1: think that citation was issued for him slapping the other guy,
39:18
Speaker 1: but that would not result at him being incarcerated. There's
39:22
Speaker 1: nothing that warrant's incarceration for the slap. But in so
39:25
Speaker 1: far as the others are concerned, there was a local
39:27
Speaker 1: store I didn't get to. One of the suspects who's
39:31
Speaker 1: facing the felony charges from the beatdown on July twenty six.
39:35
Speaker 1: Apparently this guy has paranoid schizophrenia and his lawyer was
39:38
Speaker 1: in court the other day demanding that Dominic Kittle get
39:42
Speaker 1: the help he needs in a hospital. Apparently he lost way.
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Speaker 1: They say he's got a kidney ailman. His attorney's believing
39:49
Speaker 1: he's being a hospital. Common Police Judge Allison Hathway order
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Speaker 1: him to be transferred to a psychiatric hospital once one
39:54
Speaker 1: became available, but apparently the only place he can go
39:58
Speaker 1: is some behavioral health care in roseland have a ten
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Speaker 1: week weight. There might be an illustration of a broader
40:04
Speaker 1: problem we have in society, insufficient space where criminal folks
40:08
Speaker 1: who are struggling from cognitive problems. Anyway, he is still incarcerated.
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Speaker 1: I do believe others are. Some of them have posted bail.
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Speaker 1: His bail or his bond was two hundred ninety thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: He does not have the money or resources to post it,
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Speaker 1: which is why he's still incarcerated. That's the only That's
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Speaker 1: the latest I've got on that one. So things are
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Speaker 1: still pending. Chargers are still filed, and keep that popcorn
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Speaker 1: out Larry's I always like to joke.
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Speaker 2: Okay, one more thing, if you don't mind one more thing,
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Speaker 2: Does Tom have a patent on his phrase? You're your
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Speaker 2: most faithful caller, Tom? Okay, because I noticed a few
40:43
Speaker 2: people have been using a few of your other callers,
40:45
Speaker 2: and I'm about to use it right now. I hope
40:47
Speaker 2: we don't have a patent, and I don't get sued,
40:49
Speaker 2: but don't vote Democrat.
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Speaker 1: There you go. Appreciate it, Larry, I appreciate the sentiment. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And anybody can feel free to use that if you
40:56
Speaker 1: choose not copywritten, trademarked, or pat words you can't get
41:02
Speaker 1: you can't patent words can trademark them, though Tom might
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Speaker 1: want to consider that. Five one three, seven, nine fifty
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Speaker 1: eight hundred two three to found five fifty on eight
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Speaker 1: and T funds briefly, and I talked about the last hour.
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Speaker 1: Police Chiefdiji's lawyers came out and made really great points yesterday.
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Speaker 1: They have no reason to dismiss her, apparently after after
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Speaker 1: six months of employment, which she has been fully employed
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Speaker 1: by the City of Cincinnati forever, but also as police
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Speaker 1: chief for longer than six months, she can only be
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Speaker 1: dismissed for cause nor lawyer saying what what? What does
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Speaker 1: she do? Said the city does not even claim to
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Speaker 1: have caused for removing her from the job. It's a
41:38
Speaker 1: good point. Called her a political scapegoat, political pawn, and
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Speaker 1: I think he's onto something here. Her lawyer, Stephen M
41:47
Speaker 1: from the Finny Law firm, also parenthetically representing Michael Washington,
41:51
Speaker 1: former police chief who's alreadyrun. Is one is wrong for
41:54
Speaker 1: termination cases? Just waiting to get paid. When I asked
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Speaker 1: about the investigation of the city is conducting to the
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Speaker 1: THIJI and who would be responsible for it, Attorney Steve M.
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Speaker 1: Your guess is as good as mine. This is a
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Speaker 1: situation where a sentence has already been passed on Terry
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Speaker 1: and now the city is looking to see if they
42:11
Speaker 1: can find a crime that she committed. And it's kind
42:18
Speaker 1: of true, isn't it. Why was she placed on administrative leave?
42:24
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear of an explanation? City council members
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Speaker 1: have no idea? Well, I have no idea. I don't know.
42:28
Speaker 1: It's a personnel matter. I don't know it. Don't pay
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Speaker 1: attention to that kind of stuff boiled down At least
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Speaker 1: the council members who were willing to talk with local
42:34
Speaker 1: media pretty much you can boil down their comments to
42:36
Speaker 1: what I just summarized there. Eddie, how we had to
42:40
Speaker 1: call earlier about the organization the Antifah Folks. FBI director
42:47
Speaker 1: Cash Metelligist said the astrode I believe it was FBI's
42:49
Speaker 1: on the verge of unmasking this what he called command
42:52
Speaker 1: structure and financing of the violent anarchist group Antipha. FBI
42:56
Speaker 1: looking into the money trail, they say there's indications of
42:59
Speaker 1: support for anti American radical groups from foreign enemies, money
43:05
Speaker 1: coming in from overseas, as well as US nonprofits with
43:08
Speaker 1: IRS tax exemptions. He said more indictments will be forthcoming
43:14
Speaker 1: in the investigation of the weaponization of the government. Another
43:17
Speaker 1: parallel comment, but anyway. During the interview, Cash Mattel explained
43:22
Speaker 1: that the effort in tracking antiphas becomes so important that
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Speaker 1: they've actually set an entire new program and division dead
43:30
Speaker 1: rooting out them that is funding these operations. So fact
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Speaker 1: sheet from the September executive order declaring them a terrorist operation.
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Speaker 1: The order directs the federal government to investigate, disrupt, and
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Speaker 1: dismantle all illegal operations conducted by Antiphi or any person
43:45
Speaker 1: claiming to act on behalf of Antiphi. It also calls
43:47
Speaker 1: from investigating, disrupting, dismantally and funding sources behind such operations.
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Speaker 1: What they're onto here, I believe is ultimately a reco charge.
43:54
Speaker 1: You got coordinated criminal activity. It's being well funded, well organized,
43:59
Speaker 1: and they're following this trail. He said, We've got a
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Speaker 1: network of NGOs, not just Soros network, the Open Society Network,
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Speaker 1: other groups like Arabella funding network, the Tides funding network,
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Speaker 1: Neville Roy Singham in his network, and then foreign money
44:15
Speaker 1: as well. So that's a serious thing. And then pivot
44:20
Speaker 1: over to Donald Trump's success in the appeals court on
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Speaker 1: his placing the National Guard in Portland. Just recently, an
44:29
Speaker 1: appeals court affirmed the Ninth Circuit US Court of Appeals
44:31
Speaker 1: of all Courses court's usually very liberal overturned the lower
44:34
Speaker 1: level decision blocking the President from deploying the Guard units
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Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon. So this is a two to one decision.
44:40
Speaker 1: But the reason I'm bringing this up now on the
44:42
Speaker 1: heels of that Cash Bettel comment on the FBI's investigation.
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Speaker 1: The court took the time in saying Donald Trump has
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Speaker 1: the right to put these troops there to protect the
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Speaker 1: federal facilities and federal agents, and they're not enforcing state law.
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Speaker 1: They're not there to give traffic tickets to Portlanders like
45:04
Speaker 1: the police department would. But here's the quote from the court,
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Speaker 1: and do you recall reading in this glorious detail all
45:12
Speaker 1: the criminal activity that they have been conducting just there alone,
45:15
Speaker 1: just one city among many who's been subjected to this
45:18
Speaker 1: ANTIFA attacks on ice quote. Todays and months leading up
45:22
Speaker 1: to the federalization order at issue here, immigration related protests
45:25
Speaker 1: and events have occurred at several ICE facilities around the country.
45:29
Speaker 1: While many of these events have been peaceful, others have
45:31
Speaker 1: been violent and even deadly. For example, September twenty fourth,
45:36
Speaker 1: a shooting in an ICE facility in Dallas in which
45:38
Speaker 1: one detainee was killed and two others were seriously injured.
45:41
Speaker 1: September twenty six, over two hundred protesters blocked access to
45:45
Speaker 1: a gate and an ICE facility in Chicago. One of
45:47
Speaker 1: the protesters apprehended with a gun in his possession. June
45:51
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, regular protests at Lindquist Federal Building, an
45:55
Speaker 1: ICE facility in Portland. Some of the protests have been peaceful,
45:58
Speaker 1: but many have turned violent. And protesters have threatened federal
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Speaker 1: law enforcement officers in the building. DHS forced to close
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Speaker 1: the facility for more than three weeks. June eighth, protesters
46:09
Speaker 1: placed wood rocks and a traffic barrier, apparently to impede operations.
46:13
Speaker 1: June eleven, demand set fire to various material Protesters compiled
46:17
Speaker 1: the barricade and a vehicle gate, and other protesters added
46:20
Speaker 1: to the pile of materials, increasing the flames. Protesters then
46:24
Speaker 1: placed a pole against the main lobby entrance. June fourteenth,
46:29
Speaker 1: serious incident occurred when a group of protesters, including one
46:31
Speaker 1: who was carrying a firearm, advance up the driveway of
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Speaker 1: the ice facility towards the main gate. They threw rocks
46:36
Speaker 1: and sticks at the guard shack and fired m eight
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Speaker 1: fireworks at Federal Protective Service officers. Protesters through a mortar
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Speaker 1: at the front entrance of the building, injuring an officer.
46:48
Speaker 1: FBS officers had to extinguish two fires in front of
46:50
Speaker 1: the building. They were forced to barricade themselves inside the building,
46:53
Speaker 1: and protesters placed chains on the exterior doors. Think about
46:57
Speaker 1: that they chained them in the building that they are
46:59
Speaker 1: basically setting on fire. Eventually, the protesters attempted to breach
47:05
Speaker 1: the front door, breaking the front door's class. June twenty fourth,
47:07
Speaker 1: protesters attempt to sit a US flag on fire in
47:10
Speaker 1: the driveway of the ice facilitium. Later, another protester attempted
47:13
Speaker 1: to light an incendiary device next to the guard shack.
47:17
Speaker 1: An officer's got approached the protesters, she threatened them with knives.
47:22
Speaker 1: Protesters also port a substance believed to be motor oil
47:25
Speaker 1: in the vehicle entrance. Also June twenty fourth, a protesters
47:27
Speaker 1: shot officers with paintballs after an FBS officer warned protesters
47:32
Speaker 1: to clear the building driveway. Anothers shined a laser in
47:35
Speaker 1: an officer's light. The same night, another protester was arrested
47:37
Speaker 1: for assaulting an officer with a machete and knife. Okay,
47:43
Speaker 1: that's apparently. Although they reference protests around this country in
47:48
Speaker 1: various cities, all of what I just read in the
47:50
Speaker 1: court's opinion about what they're dealing with in Portland. These
47:54
Speaker 1: are organized assaults on ice facilities, Federal property, and federal
47:59
Speaker 1: agents governed by federal law and local law enforcement will
48:04
Speaker 1: not protect them. State law applies. If you punch a
48:08
Speaker 1: human being, you can be charged just like a federal
48:12
Speaker 1: officer could be You could be charged for punching a
48:14
Speaker 1: federal officer under state law. You could be charged punching
48:17
Speaker 1: your next door neighbor under state law assault battery, that
48:20
Speaker 1: kind of thing, setting fires in the street. I'm sure
48:25
Speaker 1: there's a statute or ordinance, a criminal ordinance in Portland
48:28
Speaker 1: saying that you can't do that, right, No kidding. Apparently
48:33
Speaker 1: local law enforcement is an issuing citations or arresting people
48:36
Speaker 1: for that criminal behavior threatening what federal property and federal officers' lives.
48:43
Speaker 1: Enter the assertion of crowd control law enforcement to enforce
48:48
Speaker 1: federal law and protect our federal agents legal. It's chaos,
48:54
Speaker 1: it's dangerous, it's run amuck, it's out of control. Nobody's
48:57
Speaker 1: lifting a finger to prosecute and stop this criminal behavior
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Speaker 1: from happening. That's why Donald Trump has the authority to
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Speaker 1: bring in the National Guard. There you go, six seventeen.
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Speaker 10: No, Well, I thought it was either going to be
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Speaker 1: What prompted your call this morning?
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Speaker 10: Well, actually, before I get to my point, I want
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Speaker 10: to you just mentioned a weather forecast with frost coming up,
50:17
Speaker 10: so I said, you know, I might be lighting off
50:19
Speaker 10: my my gas fireplace here shortly. So thanks to Sean
50:23
Speaker 10: and the good folks at Chimney Caerco who were out
50:25
Speaker 10: last year, I looked, you know, between the louvers on
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Speaker 10: top of my firebox to make sure the grandkids didn't
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Speaker 10: put any other toys up there again, but it might
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Speaker 10: be a smoking hazard, so we're good to go from
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Speaker 10: bring on the frost.
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Speaker 1: That's so funny you had to smoke Billy out in
50:40
Speaker 1: your living room because your grand kids stuck and toys
50:43
Speaker 1: up there. I forgot about that. Thanks for the shout out.
50:46
Speaker 1: Are good friends at Jimney Carco.
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Speaker 10: Hey, a couple of callers the last couple of days
50:50
Speaker 10: have mentioned about, you know, voting integrity and machines.
50:53
Speaker 4: And rightly so.
50:54
Speaker 10: But I just wanted to put some things to rest
50:57
Speaker 10: or maybe give some information to your listener. I've been
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Speaker 10: a precinct election official out here in Claremont County for
51:03
Speaker 10: ten years and I work with four precincts on the
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Speaker 10: voting location manager, so I have three per precincts. So
51:10
Speaker 10: out of those twelve people, we have six Republicans and
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Speaker 10: six Democrats that work the polls, very dedicated civilians, and
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Speaker 10: I can only encourage people. It's still not too late
51:19
Speaker 10: if you'd like to become a poll worker. We still
51:21
Speaker 10: have training going on and just a great way, obviously
51:24
Speaker 10: your civic duty to spend thirteen hours with some really
51:27
Speaker 10: great patriots. But once again you can learn a little
51:29
Speaker 10: bit about the idiosyncrasies of the system, which might you
51:33
Speaker 10: call your fears a little bit, just the auditing that
51:36
Speaker 10: goes on just at the poll level when people come
51:38
Speaker 10: in to vote, every one of those ballots are serialized.
51:41
Speaker 10: You have an independent count there at the polling state
51:44
Speaker 10: of check in place with the tablet, so you get
51:47
Speaker 10: a count there. You had the number on that ballot,
51:50
Speaker 10: of the count, and when it actually goes through the
51:52
Speaker 10: machine and the reader, that's another separate in the account.
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Speaker 10: And at the end of the day, when we shut
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Speaker 10: the polls at seven point thirty, I do an audit
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Speaker 10: right there and nothing's going to happen, but it allows
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Speaker 10: the Clermont County Board of Elections to know how our
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Speaker 10: numbers all ginned up between actual votes counted, the provisional
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Speaker 10: ballots and the remaining serialized ballots that are left, and
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Speaker 10: then when they actually certify the election, and if there's
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Speaker 10: an anomaly, then they dived into it a little bit deeper,
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Speaker 10: and unfortunately I cannot even though I work downtown. I
52:24
Speaker 10: would love to be able to vote downtown. But Christopher
52:27
Speaker 10: always consistently brings up and you echo as well, about
52:30
Speaker 10: the need you do not have to vote in this
52:33
Speaker 10: case for nine councilmen. At any time you vote on
52:36
Speaker 10: a presidential election, you just want to vote for the president.
52:38
Speaker 10: Vote for the president. But what that ballot is going
52:41
Speaker 10: to do, because now you have quote unquote undervoted, it's
52:44
Speaker 10: going to kick that ballot out. Stay there, because it's
52:47
Speaker 10: going to ask you, do you want to submit this ballot? Yes,
52:50
Speaker 10: So if you want to vote just for Christopher or
52:52
Speaker 10: you just want to vote for Corey Wollman, do that,
52:54
Speaker 10: but that ballot's going to be kicked out, and it says,
52:56
Speaker 10: do you want to do this? If you walk away,
52:59
Speaker 10: we are by law we have to soil that ballot.
53:02
Speaker 10: That ballot will not count then, because we cannot assume
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Speaker 10: that's what you wanted to do, you.
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Speaker 1: Have to affirmatively confirm that that's what your vote is. Sure, yes, sir, okay,
53:12
Speaker 1: well and that.
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Speaker 10: It comes up on the screen. So just don't walk away,
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Speaker 10: and hopefully, because we have pollwalk watchers that stand there,
53:19
Speaker 10: we'll not We don't care what you vote for, but
53:21
Speaker 10: if it does get kicked out, we want to get
53:24
Speaker 10: you right there because sometimes people quote unquote overvote. So
53:27
Speaker 10: if you're in a category like let's say city council,
53:30
Speaker 10: you you can only vote for nine. If you vote
53:33
Speaker 10: for ten, eleven or twelve, it's going to kick it out.
53:35
Speaker 10: Now you've over voted, right, and everybody gets three chances
53:38
Speaker 10: to vote. So if you color in the wrong circle,
53:41
Speaker 10: you do an X instead of colored in and make
53:43
Speaker 10: a simple mistake, you actually get three, you know, three
53:45
Speaker 10: strikes in, you're out, all right.
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Speaker 1: In conclusion, a simple yes or no question, curbage, my
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Speaker 1: my dedicated service friend. Thank you for your service to
53:54
Speaker 1: our country. You're ongoing service work in the polls. Do
53:56
Speaker 1: you have faith in the ballot and the election integrity
53:59
Speaker 1: in the state to Ohio or at least in Hamilton.
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Speaker 10: County one thousand percent?
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. Mike honor fly tries
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Speaker 1: date next Tuesday, get that in right now, planning for
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Speaker 1: it be at CVEG byt eight thirty and join the
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Speaker 1: two thousand other people who'll be welcoming home as wonderful veterans.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Mike, always appreciate hearing from me. Six twenty seven.
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Speaker 1: I've got George next. If you want to hang out
54:20
Speaker 1: plus New Hampshire, Gary can go over to the phones
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Speaker 1: here if you want to join the fun. Five one, three, seven, four,
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Speaker 1: George here first. Thanks for holding over the break, my friend.
54:31
Speaker 1: Good to hear from you this morning.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, burn. I was just thinking about a pattern
54:38
Speaker 5: I'm kind of seeing here during this shut down. The
54:42
Speaker 5: Democrats are wanting to throw three and or so dollars
54:46
Speaker 5: in to their slush fun because they're having difficulties raising donations,
54:56
Speaker 5: and since the nts in the US money cried up,
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Speaker 5: they're getting pretty best for to line in their pockets.
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Speaker 5: Looks to be like just something I see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not quite sure that the Democrats themselves are
55:13
Speaker 1: going to get access to the federal taxpayer dollars to
55:16
Speaker 1: fund any of their own campaigns. What it's going to
55:19
Speaker 1: do is expand Obamacare. Of course, keep those subsidies in
55:22
Speaker 1: place that they obviously set to expire in December. And
55:26
Speaker 1: we can go on and on. But their list of
55:28
Speaker 1: demands in their version of the bill that would reopen
55:31
Speaker 1: the government, it ultimately totals one point two trillion dollars,
55:35
Speaker 1: and I know it's been widely reported that's six hundred
55:38
Speaker 1: billion of that, and that's over ten years. I suppose
55:41
Speaker 1: four hundred billion of that relates to the extension of
55:44
Speaker 1: the the Obamacare subsidies. But I as nefarious as these
55:48
Speaker 1: clowns are, in as little as I trust them, I
55:50
Speaker 1: don't really think that they're going to get their hands
55:52
Speaker 1: directly on the money. I'm sure they've got workarounds around
55:56
Speaker 1: how to do that though. Charge.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a money log in operation. They have to
56:01
Speaker 5: run it through the insurance company there, dranking out their premiums. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: and then the insurance companys it back to of course.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly money right, yeah, in an
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Speaker 1: indirect way. Yes, The money that goes out into the
56:16
Speaker 1: world through a government program lands in the lap of
56:19
Speaker 1: a lot of well connected, well heeled, and very wealthy businesses,
56:23
Speaker 1: including medical insurance companies who do have lobbying firms that
56:27
Speaker 1: write checks the politicians who do good things for their companies.
56:31
Speaker 1: Thus it has sadly ever been Thank you, George, appreciated,
56:35
Speaker 1: New Hampshire, Gary, welcome back, my friend. Good to hear
56:37
Speaker 1: from you. Happy Wednesday.
56:39
Speaker 11: It's good to hear from you.
56:41
Speaker 5: Brian.
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Speaker 11: Hey, I just I'm going to throw my two cents
56:45
Speaker 11: on this useless police chief Fiji. If we all go
56:49
Speaker 11: back to July, which is like a whole long time ago,
56:54
Speaker 11: if we remember the beatdown where there was five days
56:57
Speaker 11: of silence from the police chief and the commissioners and everybody.
57:03
Speaker 11: Finally she came out and had a press conference, if
57:05
Speaker 11: you remember, and she scolded social media as only showing
57:10
Speaker 11: one side of the story. And this was, if you
57:14
Speaker 11: remember Holly, who's the peak victim. We ought to ask
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Speaker 11: her what she thinks of the chief's useless position.
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Speaker 1: But Newhamster Garritt, new Amster Garrett, is that a fireable
57:26
Speaker 1: offense just because she chose those choice of words, and
57:30
Speaker 1: you know that lapse of time before she came out
57:32
Speaker 1: and made a statement, we're all under the firm impression
57:35
Speaker 1: by this point is three police chief threes that Thiji
57:38
Speaker 1: was not doing what Police Chief Fiji might have done
57:42
Speaker 1: if she was independent. She's not. She runs at the
57:45
Speaker 1: behest of aftab pro Ball and city Manager Long. So
57:48
Speaker 1: it may be that those two told Police Chief Thiji
57:51
Speaker 1: that she should say something along those lines, right, I.
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Speaker 11: Agree with okay, I agree with that. But I think
57:58
Speaker 11: what we're showing as a systemic problem with their only
58:02
Speaker 11: hiring yes men and that, well, that's all it is. No,
58:07
Speaker 11: I doubt the problem is it was the whole system
58:11
Speaker 11: is busted. And you know with this bust and most
58:16
Speaker 11: of it came from the collaborative agreement from two thousand
58:19
Speaker 11: and ten, the riots and all that stuff, and two
58:24
Speaker 11: people who were they just got what they wanted and
58:28
Speaker 11: now they're running rampshot over the entire city. That's that's
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Speaker 11: what it is.
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Speaker 1: Well, and maybe all these revelations Gary and people saying
58:36
Speaker 1: question marks swirling around Thiegi's firing or being removed from
58:39
Speaker 1: from active duty, the fact that neighborhoods have not gotten
58:43
Speaker 1: the roads paved, the fact that we have limitations on
58:46
Speaker 1: how we in our own individual community can steer the
58:49
Speaker 1: direction of development. No, no, no, that lands in the
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Speaker 1: lap of the mayor. You have no saying it. All
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Speaker 1: of these little things piling up and piling up reflect
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Speaker 1: exactly what your boiled down conclusion is. We have a
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Speaker 1: dysfundunctional government in the city of Cincinnati. Look, we get
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Speaker 1: to vote first week in November. Maybe we should change things, right,
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Speaker 1: Let's move the kit in a different direction.
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Speaker 4: So why not?
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Speaker 11: I hope so? Because Cincinnati is near and dear to
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Speaker 11: my heart.
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Speaker 1: Amen, Brother, No, I live.
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Speaker 11: In New Hampshire, you know so, I really hope so.
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Speaker 1: All right, New Hampshire, Gary, I share your thoughts. When
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Speaker 1: we lived in Chicago, I still felt city of Cincinnati
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Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart, not as much as
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Speaker 1: I felt after we move back, though. It's a real
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Speaker 1: this part of the country is compared to a place
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Speaker 1: like Chicago. I'm not speaking to New Hampshire, Garrey. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what it's like where you are, but I
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Speaker 1: Love to hear from you real quick here. Remember we
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Speaker 1: had the weaponization of the Department of Justice, Eric Holder,
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Speaker 1: going all the way back to Eric Holder and the
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Speaker 1: Obama administration, going after conservative organizations, going after businesses, lawful
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Speaker 1: businesses licensed to do business in the United States of
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Speaker 1: America being deprived of bank accounts because of pressure placed
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Speaker 1: on banks by the Department of Justice. We had the
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Speaker 1: weaponization of the FBI, and there's more coming out on
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Speaker 1: that day in and day out. I see that the
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Speaker 1: House Judiciary Committee has referred as CIA director John Brennan
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Speaker 1: to the Justice Department for prosecution given the shenanigans he
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Speaker 1: was involved with concerning the Steel dossier. Weaponization of the government,
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Speaker 1: the CIA and other lettered organizations against Donald Trump. We've
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Speaker 1: all kind of felt the sting the IRS weaponizing under
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Speaker 1: five oh one to three c status. Well, how about FEMA, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: FEMA's the next one. Internal probe has found FEMA officials
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Speaker 1: under Biden's administration refused to help disaster victims who supported
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. This according to a Department of Homeland Security
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Speaker 1: announcement yesterday. DHS investigators say the politically motivated discriminations went
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Speaker 1: from Hurricane Ida back in twenty twenty one all the
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Speaker 1: way through Hurricane Milton. In twenty four. The DHS Privacy
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Speaker 1: Office determined that FEMA workers, in their words, systematically bypassed
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Speaker 1: homes that had pro Trump or Second Amendment signs. They
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Speaker 1: collected political data on survivors in direct violation of the
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Speaker 1: Privacy Act. In nineteen seventy four report describes the behavior
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Speaker 1: disaster relief against Americans and Crisis Christy Nom, DHS secretary,
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Speaker 1: the federal government was withholding aid from Americans based on
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Speaker 1: their political beliefs. This should horrify every citizen YEP fifty
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Speaker 1: homes advertising Trump. Apparently, at least twenty floor to homes
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Speaker 1: reportedly went without initial aid after Hurricane Milton. FEMA staff
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Speaker 1: also logged information about residents' political views. DHS said that's
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Speaker 1: a move that demonstrated a failure to protect data integrity
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Speaker 1: and fairness. The investigators found discrimination wasn't isolated, contrary to
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Speaker 1: testimony from Biden's FEMA administrator Diane Criswell in front of
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Speaker 1: Congress and interred in multiple disasters across several states. They
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Speaker 1: say FEMA violated the Privacy Act by creating an undisclosed
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Speaker 1: database linking personal information to political beliefs. Isn't that scary?
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Speaker 1: And you consider the amount of data that the federal
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Speaker 1: government has collected on us all across the board. They're
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Speaker 1: looking at our individual data, making determinations about our political affiliation,
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Speaker 1: and then deciding they're either going to stop and offer
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Speaker 1: assistance at my house flooded as it may be, or
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Speaker 1: strictened by a hurricane, and not stop there because well,
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Speaker 1: you're of the wrong political affiliation, you're not friends of
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Speaker 1: the party. Sounds remarkably dystopian and sounds remarkably like other
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Speaker 1: former governments like Stalin Khrushchev, Hitler. Yeah, sorry, your politics
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Speaker 1: don't align. You are not entitled to government services, even
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Speaker 1: though your taxes help pay for them. Got madam a line. Matt,
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Speaker 1: you're next. You to mind holding. I'll be right with you.
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Speaker 1: I want to mention Chimneycare Fireplace as though you heard
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Speaker 1: Mike early station six fifty if if you have KCV
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Speaker 1: talk stations, this is why I have. Joe Stracker, I
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Speaker 1: only was sort of peripherally listening to the traffic report
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Speaker 1: in the last segment. I heard girls Scott Bridge and
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Speaker 1: immediately thought of the boy Scout Bridge, Dan Beard aka
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Speaker 1: Big Mack Bridge. I thought that's what he was referred to.
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Speaker 1: What's at the girls Cut Bridge, Joe Strecker, Hey, dude,
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Speaker 1: that's the Covington, Kentucky Bridge crosses the Licking River, also
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Speaker 1: known as a twelve street bridge. You learn something every day,
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Speaker 1: and yes, I'm more than happy to admit when well,
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Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. So let's go to the phones and
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Speaker 1: see what Matt has to say. Matt, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday.
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Speaker 12: Oh hi, Brian, I'm going to weigh in on this
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Speaker 12: Chief Fiji situation. You know, if she hasn't been able
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Speaker 12: to do her job like she wanted to. Why doesn't
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Speaker 12: she maybe go have a private conversation with Corey Bowman
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Speaker 12: and they can work out an arrangement or a deal,
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Speaker 12: if you will, and then she can come out and
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Speaker 12: let the voters know what mayor pure Evil has been
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Speaker 12: up to, and then the voters can decide whether they
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Speaker 12: want to dispatch mayor Pure Evil in the coming election.
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Speaker 1: I think that maybe even a thorny issue or a
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Speaker 1: sticky wicket issue. I don't know what liberty she has
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Speaker 1: to talk about her her job in consult consultation with
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Speaker 1: other people, notably political candidates. I don't know if that
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Speaker 1: could serve. And I'm guessing here, I'm just walking through
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Speaker 1: potential challenges because I've heard there are some limitations on
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Speaker 1: how much leeway the chief has to speak about matters,
1:05:15
Speaker 1: so that could be something. And you know, I just
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Speaker 1: don't want her to put herself in a position where
1:05:20
Speaker 1: they can say, haha, see here's why we got rid
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Speaker 1: of her because of well, something she did after we
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Speaker 1: got rid of her. I don't know. It just looks terrible.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: The optics are awful from Arafa per of All and
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Speaker 1: city Manager Cheryl Long, and that satisfies me sufficiently. It'll
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Speaker 1: all come to a head at some point. Police Chief
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Speaker 1: Fiji's either going to get big, big fat check from
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Speaker 1: the city of government, much like the former fire chief
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Speaker 1: Michael Washington's gonna give big, big fat check. Note again,
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Speaker 1: this is the second time this has happened. They got
1:05:49
Speaker 1: rid of Michael Washington without cause. They fired him with
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Speaker 1: no reason. He went to court over it, and he
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Speaker 1: has prevailed. He was terminated wrongfully according to court decision.
1:05:59
Speaker 1: Now just comes a question of damages. So we have
1:06:02
Speaker 1: a problem with the administration. We have a problem with
1:06:05
Speaker 1: politics regarding the fire chief and the police chief, and
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Speaker 1: that's on full display. And I hope everybody's paying attention.
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Speaker 1: And we can send Mary aftab purval and then ultimately
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Speaker 1: share along along with them packing after Wednesday, the first
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Speaker 1: Wednesday November or the first Tuesday November. Appreciate it, Matt,
1:06:21
Speaker 1: certainly do. Oh and real quick here, since our next
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Speaker 1: listener lunch is the following day, I just want to
1:06:28
Speaker 1: remind everybody about that. So we're going to be at
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Speaker 1: High Grain Brewery. I think it's the Brentwood location. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: High Grain Brewery, Brentwood location. November fifth day, after the election.
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping we have something to celebrate. I really truly am.
1:06:44
Speaker 1: Or we'll just contemplate maybe the craziness of the City
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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati voters that they continue to go down the
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Speaker 1: same path, you know, definition of stupidity, doing the same
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Speaker 1: thing over and over again, expecting a different result. Fred,
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Speaker 1: thanks for calling the Morning Show. Happy Wednesday to you, Fred, Fred,
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Speaker 1: Fred Joe, just turn you on, So start from scratch.
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Speaker 1: I didn't hear your initial comments.
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Speaker 5: Okay, you're talking about the police chief.
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Speaker 7: You know she gets she's not going to quick getty far.
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Speaker 3: The thing is I don't think we're understanding is I
1:07:18
Speaker 3: think the mayor and all these crazy people they have
1:07:21
Speaker 3: a theory on how all this is supposed to work,
1:07:25
Speaker 3: and they're mad at her because she wasn't able to
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Speaker 3: implement their policy correctly to get it to work, even
1:07:31
Speaker 3: though we know it doesn't work. Similar to the socialists
1:07:34
Speaker 3: who say, hey, socialism will work, it just hasn't been
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Speaker 3: tried by.
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Speaker 1: Us, right, yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, I mean certainly.
1:07:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think they actually think it's
1:07:46
Speaker 3: going to work. Their policy is going to work, but
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Speaker 3: reality says no.
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Speaker 1: Fred. If you reflect out look over this great vast
1:07:55
Speaker 1: country of ours, and take a look at San Francisco
1:07:58
Speaker 1: or Portland or you know what I'm where I'm going
1:08:01
Speaker 1: with this San francisc I mean, it's never worked any
1:08:04
Speaker 1: place it's tried. Once you stop prosecuting and and and
1:08:08
Speaker 1: uh and and you know, harsh punishments on criminals, they're
1:08:12
Speaker 1: just gonna start engaging in criminal activity. Was the dumbest
1:08:14
Speaker 1: concept ever. Fred Let's decriminalized thefts of nine hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: or less of whatever that policy was in California. Well,
1:08:24
Speaker 1: what idiot didn't think that it was going to result
1:08:26
Speaker 1: in mass theft at convenience stores and and uh and pharmaceuticals.
1:08:31
Speaker 1: And it's just dumb, epic, woke, stupid. They just live
1:08:36
Speaker 1: in their own echo chamber and they talk on a
1:08:38
Speaker 1: theoretical level like that, Oh, we just talk about it.
1:08:41
Speaker 1: We imagined that it could be a new world. It's
1:08:44
Speaker 1: boiled down. It's like believing in communism. From each according's ability,
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Speaker 1: each court. We're all going to get along, we're all
1:08:50
Speaker 1: going to be part of the religion. We're all going
1:08:51
Speaker 1: to participate to our fullest extent. No one's gonna be lazy,
1:08:56
Speaker 1: ask Bernie Sanders how it was on his his ashram
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Speaker 1: when he lived out there. Apparently the guy didn't lift
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Speaker 1: a finger to work, which is what happens when you
1:09:03
Speaker 1: end up living in a socialist collective like that. People
1:09:06
Speaker 1: are really lazy, and since it's not going to benefit
1:09:08
Speaker 1: them to bust their hump, they typically don't welcome to
1:09:11
Speaker 1: communism and socialism as well. A method of political leadership
1:09:16
Speaker 1: doesn't work, and rethinking the police department doesn't work either.
1:09:20
Speaker 1: See literally every city that's tried it, including the city
1:09:22
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. Coming up at six fifty six, which means
1:09:25
Speaker 1: we're coming up on the big picture with Jack Adden
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Speaker 1: subject truly affordable healthcare plus donovan'neil at seven thirty. Americans
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Speaker 1: per Prosperity is going to be diving on into the
1:09:34
Speaker 1: thorny issue of speaking of thorny issues, property taxes that'll
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Speaker 1: take place at seven thirty. I sure hope you can stick.
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Speaker 4: Around today's tough headlines.
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Speaker 1: Coming up seven oh six at fifty five, Cara cd
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Speaker 1: He talks day sham Mony t I'm a sure wishing
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Speaker 1: everybody very happy Wednesday. Dot on Neo Americans for Prosperity.
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Speaker 1: Bottom of the hour on property taxes. Fast forward an hour.
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Speaker 1: Tom Claven with his book Running Deep, Bravery Survival and
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Speaker 1: Two nonfiction book. Sounds like an amazing book. Tom will
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Speaker 1: be on in an hour. Judge and Paulatano on a
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Speaker 1: Trumpian headache. Lakida Cole joins the program at the end
1:10:35
Speaker 1: of the eight o'clock hour. She's a charter committee Canada
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Speaker 1: for city council. Yes, I will ask her about police
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Speaker 1: chief threetsa Thiji. It is Wednesday. It is seven oh
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Speaker 1: now six. It's that time to get the big picture
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Speaker 1: with Jack Athan and my dear friend jack Aatherdan. Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for your brilliance every Wednesday at this time.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 9: Good morning, Brian and Joe and I hope everybody is
1:10:59
Speaker 9: well here. Why in just a moment, up until now,
1:11:04
Speaker 9: the Democrats' top three issues, actually there are only three
1:11:08
Speaker 9: issues have been Donald Trump is hitler, Donald Trump is
1:11:13
Speaker 9: on Putin's payroll, and most heinous. If you're a Hollywood celebrity,
1:11:18
Speaker 9: Donald Trump is fat, to which Millennia would say, no,
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Speaker 9: my husband is just pleasingly plump and he cannot work.
1:11:27
Speaker 9: You any day. We're beating Democrats on all those issues
1:11:33
Speaker 9: and a few more little things like crime, securing our borders,
1:11:39
Speaker 9: growing the economy, and world peace. But now Democrats may
1:11:43
Speaker 9: have stumbled on a winning issue, even though it's a
1:11:47
Speaker 9: problem they created themselves, affordable healthcare. Demos are using healthcare
1:11:53
Speaker 9: as an excuse to shut down the government, and it'll
1:11:57
Speaker 9: be a huge election issue Brian next year. So Republicans
1:12:01
Speaker 9: had better not let President Trump down again the way
1:12:06
Speaker 9: they did in his first term. A little history, that's
1:12:10
Speaker 9: what we do. Once upon a time, basic health care
1:12:14
Speaker 9: was affordable in the nineteen fifties when I wore a
1:12:18
Speaker 9: Davy Crockett coonskin cap. Our family doctor charged fifteen bucks
1:12:23
Speaker 9: a visit, and he made house calls. Yeah, most folks
1:12:28
Speaker 9: did not have health insurance, but they could still pay
1:12:32
Speaker 9: for all the usual kid operations. Tonsils happened, dectomy. Because
1:12:37
Speaker 9: Washington had not yet destroyed free market competition, the push
1:12:42
Speaker 9: for socialized medicine started during World War II. FDR had
1:12:48
Speaker 9: imposed wage and price controls, and the war created an
1:12:51
Speaker 9: enormous demand for the civilian employees who were still around
1:12:56
Speaker 9: to get around paying them higher wages. Washington companies take
1:13:01
Speaker 9: tax deductions for employee health insurance. That's why most people
1:13:06
Speaker 9: still get health coverage at work. But because employees no
1:13:09
Speaker 9: longer had to pay their own doctor's bills, they stopped
1:13:13
Speaker 9: noticing what healthcare actually costs. The federal tax code was
1:13:17
Speaker 9: an effect subsidizing health care costs for businesses and their employees,
1:13:23
Speaker 9: though not for self employed people like my parents. Even worse,
1:13:27
Speaker 9: the increased demand for subsidized healthcare sent costs rising at
1:13:32
Speaker 9: a fever pitch. So to fix that crisis, which Washington
1:13:37
Speaker 9: itself had created, the government as usual made things worse.
1:13:42
Speaker 9: Congress next offered Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for
1:13:46
Speaker 9: the poor and infirm. Those programs have helped countless Americans.
1:13:52
Speaker 9: Amesley and I are on Medicare. You will be soon too,
1:13:56
Speaker 9: thanks j scries. Well, it's true.
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Speaker 1: You don't look at it.
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Speaker 9: It's true. But to the surprise of no one, unless
1:14:02
Speaker 9: your healthcare included a lobotomy, budgets were both Medicare and
1:14:07
Speaker 9: Medicaid soon rocketed beyond the estimates used to sell them
1:14:11
Speaker 9: to taxpayers. As always, since it didn't have to compete
1:14:15
Speaker 9: in a free marketplace, government had little incentive to control costs,
1:14:20
Speaker 9: or even outright corruption. Instead, bureaucracies felt and they fed
1:14:25
Speaker 9: on built in budget increases every year that outstripped inflation.
1:14:31
Speaker 9: Rush Limba used to love talking about this baseline budgeting.
1:14:35
Speaker 9: So did health providers, including physicians, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies.
1:14:41
Speaker 9: But wait, it gets even worse than that. To make
1:14:45
Speaker 9: health care affordable for everyone, the Affordable Care Act Obamacare
1:14:52
Speaker 9: included a mandate requiring everyone to buy a policy that
1:14:56
Speaker 9: qualified under the new law. Barack Obama had repeatedly promised
1:15:01
Speaker 9: that if you liked your current health insurance, if you
1:15:04
Speaker 9: liked your doctor, you could keep them.
1:15:07
Speaker 1: But that was a lie.
1:15:09
Speaker 9: As the architect of Obamacare, MIT economist Jonathan Krueber admitted,
1:15:15
Speaker 9: the only insurance policies the government allowed under Obamacare had
1:15:19
Speaker 9: to include a laundry list of liberal coverage, including abortion treatment,
1:15:25
Speaker 9: and those requirements more than doubled Obamacare premiums. Barack Obama
1:15:31
Speaker 9: didn't care, because even before he became president, Senator Obama
1:15:35
Speaker 9: had said what he ultimately wanted, with single payers, socialized healthcare,
1:15:41
Speaker 9: like the national healthcare they have in Britain and Canada.
1:15:45
Speaker 9: The trouble is in not so great Britain, the rich
1:15:49
Speaker 9: have their own healthcare system, and Canadians, as I saw
1:15:53
Speaker 9: for five years working in Miami, they flocked to the
1:15:57
Speaker 9: US to get quality care they cannot get back. Republicans
1:16:02
Speaker 9: campaigned against this unaffordable Obamacare. In twenty sixteen. When they won,
1:16:09
Speaker 9: Donald Trump told Congress to repeal and replace it with
1:16:12
Speaker 9: a system that would bring down costs through free market competition.
1:16:17
Speaker 9: But believe it or not, that didn't happen. The late
1:16:21
Speaker 9: senator Republican Senator John McCain, who hated Trump, literally gave
1:16:27
Speaker 9: a thumbs down on the Senate floor. The best Republicans
1:16:31
Speaker 9: could do was to do away with the individual mandate,
1:16:34
Speaker 9: and that was something. It meant you no longer had
1:16:37
Speaker 9: to buy Obamacare, but that made the policies even more expensive,
1:16:42
Speaker 9: and not just for low income people.
1:16:44
Speaker 1: Brian.
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Speaker 9: Under Obama, Democrats had also expanded eligibility for Medicaid. What
1:16:53
Speaker 9: had been a safety net for the poor became a
1:16:56
Speaker 9: middle class entitlement. And you know who was one of
1:16:59
Speaker 9: the first governor to support that, Ohio's own Republican, John Kasik,
1:17:05
Speaker 9: who was no more conservative than most of the Rhinos
1:17:08
Speaker 9: now running Columbus. The final straw came during COVID, when
1:17:13
Speaker 9: Joe Biden's puppet masters pushed staggering health insurance subsidies. That's
1:17:19
Speaker 9: what Democrats now want to extend. That's why they're shutting
1:17:24
Speaker 9: down the government to this day, two years after even
1:17:28
Speaker 9: Biden admitted the COVID emergency ended. And yes, Democrats also
1:17:33
Speaker 9: want to keep covering illegals by reimbursing hospitals and state
1:17:38
Speaker 9: Medicaid systems. Democrats insist that's not true. Once again, they're line.
1:17:45
Speaker 9: Both Democrats and Rhino Republicans are under pressure to continue
1:17:48
Speaker 9: subsidizing government health insurance. That pressure comes from their voters,
1:17:54
Speaker 9: but also from Big Pharma and other medical providers. They
1:17:57
Speaker 9: are among the politician's biggest owners. So here's the challenge, now, friends,
1:18:04
Speaker 9: We've done a way with free market healthcare in order
1:18:07
Speaker 9: to provide subsidies, but how far should this go. If
1:18:12
Speaker 9: governments subsidized clothing, jeans and a T shirt would cost
1:18:17
Speaker 9: so much you'd need a subsidy to avoid wearing thig leaves.
1:18:21
Speaker 9: Yet for most everyone in America, food and clothing are
1:18:25
Speaker 9: affordable thanks to free market competition. Instead of socializing our
1:18:30
Speaker 9: whole healthcare system in order to help the truly needy.
1:18:34
Speaker 9: We should subsidize the truly needy and transition back to
1:18:38
Speaker 9: the free market for everyone else. How I'm no expert,
1:18:44
Speaker 9: but the Federalists Society, for one, wants workers rather than
1:18:47
Speaker 9: their employers, to own their health policies, insurance policies that
1:18:52
Speaker 9: would be portable across state lines, so they could follow
1:18:56
Speaker 9: you if you move. Portability keeps insurance company from claiming
1:19:00
Speaker 9: you have a pre existing condition and denying you coverage,
1:19:04
Speaker 9: and it increases competition. The Federalist also wants to expand
1:19:09
Speaker 9: health savings accounts HSA's. They allow tax free contributions and
1:19:15
Speaker 9: withdrawals over the course of a lifetime. I also like
1:19:19
Speaker 9: letting young healthy people by stripped down policies the kinyanity
1:19:24
Speaker 9: of car perhaps to cover major expenses, including surgery. The
1:19:30
Speaker 9: bottom line, America, I believe, should remain committed to providing
1:19:35
Speaker 9: a safety net for citizens who cannot help themselves, the poor,
1:19:40
Speaker 9: that disabled, and the elderly. Indeed, we'll also treat people
1:19:44
Speaker 9: in hospital emergency rooms, but those emergency rooms cannot be
1:19:49
Speaker 9: free health clinics for illegals. Full blown socialized medicine is
1:19:54
Speaker 9: not the answer. As you mentioned, just a few minutes ago.
1:19:57
Speaker 9: As we mentioned constantly, some socialism is never the answer.
1:20:02
Speaker 9: It just leads to corruption and power grabs. So, in
1:20:06
Speaker 9: response to the Zoran Mamdanis, the AOC's Chucky Schumer's the
1:20:11
Speaker 9: Obama's Republicans better come up with a plan right now
1:20:15
Speaker 9: while they're doing not much else for truly affordable healthcare,
1:20:19
Speaker 9: or Democrats socialists may regain Congress in twenty twenty six
1:20:25
Speaker 9: and our country will once again be flat on its back. Now,
1:20:30
Speaker 9: you're a jurist, doctor, a doctor of law. What do
1:20:33
Speaker 9: you say, doctor Thomas?
1:20:35
Speaker 1: You know he didn't call looking for an argument. Jack.
1:20:37
Speaker 1: It's an unbelievably complicated situation. And I, of course I
1:20:40
Speaker 1: remember when doctor Cassini, Gus Cassini the rest his soul
1:20:44
Speaker 1: was my doctor, family's doctor, as friend of the family,
1:20:47
Speaker 1: come over to the house. I remember getting my injections
1:20:49
Speaker 1: in the living room of my house, Remember hiding under
1:20:51
Speaker 1: the furniture, and I don't remember. You know, it was
1:20:54
Speaker 1: just such a different world. I mean, I don't understand
1:20:59
Speaker 1: it still under the furniture. Yeah, I just don't understand
1:21:04
Speaker 1: how it got so complicated. I mean, some people point
1:21:06
Speaker 1: to this idea that you know, providing tax incentives for
1:21:10
Speaker 1: businesses to provide their employees with medical insurance took us
1:21:13
Speaker 1: down this path. Of course, medical insurance companies have to
1:21:15
Speaker 1: do actuarial analyses, they have to pay claims. It used
1:21:18
Speaker 1: to be pre existing condition. If you had a pre
1:21:21
Speaker 1: existing condition, you weren't covered. It's like you can't get
1:21:24
Speaker 1: fire insurance if your house is already on fire. It
1:21:27
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. The idea of having to be
1:21:30
Speaker 1: stuck with these massive medical bills was an incentive to
1:21:33
Speaker 1: take on what used to be not too onerous burden
1:21:36
Speaker 1: to get some form of medical coverage, like that catastrophic
1:21:39
Speaker 1: policy we're talking about for young people. We used to
1:21:42
Speaker 1: sell those all the taminos with an sol anthem BCBS.
1:21:44
Speaker 1: And you know it wasn't very expensive, easily affordable monthly payment.
1:21:48
Speaker 1: You're in a very low risk category as a young person.
1:21:51
Speaker 1: Why would you want anything more than something that's going
1:21:53
Speaker 1: to cover a massive hospital bill in the event you
1:21:56
Speaker 1: got it into a serious accident or problem. Fine, we've
1:21:59
Speaker 1: taken out flexibility and we've issued mandates and edicts. I mean,
1:22:02
Speaker 1: Obamacare is filled with a bunch I mean a giant
1:22:05
Speaker 1: policy that some like, for example, young person again, is
1:22:08
Speaker 1: going to get all kinds of you know, coverage he
1:22:11
Speaker 1: has to pay for that he's never going to use.
1:22:13
Speaker 1: Does a twenty two year old young man need a
1:22:17
Speaker 1: pregnancy insurance? No, of course not. But it's in there
1:22:22
Speaker 1: at which causes the price of the policy to go up,
1:22:25
Speaker 1: you know it, Jack, I don't know. Something suggests to me,
1:22:30
Speaker 1: and here's a draconian concept. If you're left to your
1:22:34
Speaker 1: own devices, would you take better care of yourself if
1:22:37
Speaker 1: you knew that you were responsible for your future? If
1:22:40
Speaker 1: you were interested in longevity? For example, some people pursue
1:22:43
Speaker 1: a healthy life, but if you knew you were going
1:22:45
Speaker 1: to be responsible for your medical bills, might you have
1:22:48
Speaker 1: a sort of a greater interest in your diet, exercise,
1:22:53
Speaker 1: you know, maintaining a healthy lifestyle. I think I would.
1:22:57
Speaker 1: Is the idea that insurance is going to cover everything,
1:22:59
Speaker 1: so screw it, there's a pill for everything, So I'm
1:23:01
Speaker 1: not going to take care of myself. That's the kind
1:23:03
Speaker 1: of world we live in. So I don't know something.
1:23:06
Speaker 1: It seems to me like a disaster is going to
1:23:08
Speaker 1: have to befall the health insurance concept. Generally, we're gonna
1:23:11
Speaker 1: have to start like phoenix rising from the ashes. Jack
1:23:14
Speaker 1: at this point, I.
1:23:14
Speaker 9: Wish we could hand the microphone to Bobby Kennedy's junior.
1:23:18
Speaker 9: A little nutting sometimes, but a great man. And yes,
1:23:21
Speaker 9: we would have to take better care of ourselves. As
1:23:23
Speaker 9: for pre existing conditions, we have to, I think, do
1:23:28
Speaker 9: something for children who are born with birth defects. And
1:23:31
Speaker 9: if you do allow portability, we won't have to worry
1:23:34
Speaker 9: about having to be turned down if you get a
1:23:37
Speaker 9: new job much less.
1:23:39
Speaker 1: Well, if you're already insured, you were guaranteed issue and
1:23:41
Speaker 1: moving forward and they couldn't deny you because you were
1:23:44
Speaker 1: already covered when this disease state pops up. We can
1:23:47
Speaker 1: manage that. And if you're born with a preexist or
1:23:50
Speaker 1: you're born with a condition, you're entering into the world
1:23:52
Speaker 1: with it. It's not like you duped an insurance company
1:23:55
Speaker 1: and hid that condition from them and then obtained insurance
1:23:57
Speaker 1: to get coverage. Completely different scenario. It should be able
1:24:01
Speaker 1: to get insurance, yeah you have. How does an actuary
1:24:05
Speaker 1: properly account for what claims exposure is going to be?
1:24:08
Speaker 1: If you can walk in with a stage four cancer
1:24:11
Speaker 1: diagnosis and then get insured for that and have all
1:24:14
Speaker 1: the medical insurance covered for cancer diagnosis. You can't actually
1:24:20
Speaker 1: account for that.
1:24:21
Speaker 9: Well, let's move to to something that's good news that's
1:24:24
Speaker 9: happening right now. There is so much that's happening now.
1:24:28
Speaker 9: But on the health front, Trump, as we've heard, is
1:24:32
Speaker 9: also lowering healthcare costs by pressuring big farmer companies and
1:24:36
Speaker 9: smaller ones like Merk and Eli Lelly to build new
1:24:40
Speaker 9: manufacturing plants here in America. That's good for national security,
1:24:44
Speaker 9: it's good competition, it's good for employees. And he's also
1:24:48
Speaker 9: threatening tariffs. They're controversial, but he is and he's getting
1:24:51
Speaker 9: some results. Trump has gotten the British company, for example,
1:24:54
Speaker 9: Astroxenica and others to charge Americans the same lower prices
1:25:00
Speaker 9: that are paid by customers in other countries, the same
1:25:03
Speaker 9: favored nation.
1:25:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, crisis.
1:25:05
Speaker 9: I think he started talking about this in March, and
1:25:07
Speaker 9: we're starting to see the fruits of that. So there's
1:25:11
Speaker 9: movement on all fronts. But we've got to go ahead
1:25:14
Speaker 9: and get some kind of a replacement. Got yeah for
1:25:18
Speaker 9: the repealed mandate, at least of Obamacare.
1:25:21
Speaker 1: Jack, love your conversations, love your analysis. Out of time.
1:25:24
Speaker 1: Wish we could talk longer. Important subject matter clearly it's
1:25:27
Speaker 1: keeping our government shutdown. Right now, Big Picture with Jack
1:25:30
Speaker 1: Adan and every Wednesday seven oh five, Jack, God bless
1:25:32
Speaker 1: you sir, and the best of love and health to
1:25:34
Speaker 1: you in your better half. We'll talk again next week
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1:25:53
Speaker 1: we'll were talking to him about a trumpy and headache
1:25:56
Speaker 1: subject matter is Colin the meantime, Welcome back to the
1:25:58
Speaker 1: fifty five KRC Morning Show from a Americans for Prosperity,
1:26:01
Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil. Always good to having you on the show.
1:26:03
Speaker 1: My friend got a little to updates on our property
1:26:06
Speaker 1: tax situation here in the state of Ohio. What a
1:26:08
Speaker 1: of my favorite topics.
1:26:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got some good news. Legislation is moving and
1:26:14
Speaker 4: it's not bad bills, Brian, We're not we're not growing government.
1:26:17
Speaker 4: We might be shrinking it here.
1:26:18
Speaker 7: So this is good.
1:26:19
Speaker 4: It's good. Well, well, yesterday in the House Ways and
1:26:24
Speaker 4: Means Committee, Well, wind this back a little bit. We
1:26:26
Speaker 4: identified some priority legislation around property tax reform beginning of
1:26:31
Speaker 4: this fall session two bills, House Bill one to eighty
1:26:34
Speaker 4: six and House Bill three thirty five. Both of those
1:26:37
Speaker 4: bills were voted out of the House Ways and Means
1:26:40
Speaker 4: Committee in Columbus to yesterday with a bipartisan eleven to
1:26:44
Speaker 4: one vote.
1:26:45
Speaker 1: Wow accounts.
1:26:47
Speaker 4: What these do is these, in short, tackle and address
1:26:51
Speaker 4: the spikes in increases we've all seen, making some changes
1:26:56
Speaker 4: in a couple of different ways, but address, at the
1:26:58
Speaker 4: end of the day, Brian, the spikes that so many
1:27:00
Speaker 4: people have seen that I think really have put us
1:27:03
Speaker 4: in this property tax crisis. We're all trying to figure
1:27:06
Speaker 4: our way.
1:27:06
Speaker 1: Out of all right, let's break them down. What does
1:27:10
Speaker 1: House Bill one eighty six do specifically that we are
1:27:13
Speaker 1: now happy about it?
1:27:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what one eighty six does is it caps
1:27:18
Speaker 4: spikes in school property tax to inflation while also giving
1:27:21
Speaker 4: a retroactive credit. So we're going to wind the clock
1:27:24
Speaker 4: back just a little bit here and say, hey, you know,
1:27:27
Speaker 4: back I believe it is in twenty twenty three, back
1:27:29
Speaker 4: a couple of years instead of allowing these increases to
1:27:32
Speaker 4: occur where you had the double whammy of inflation and
1:27:36
Speaker 4: massive property tax increases or property valuation increases resulting in
1:27:42
Speaker 4: thirty forty fifty percent valuation going up right and seeing
1:27:46
Speaker 4: your preases go up in an equivalent manner, we're going
1:27:49
Speaker 4: to cap it to inflation so they don't get more
1:27:52
Speaker 4: than what inflation would be. That provides that means we're
1:27:55
Speaker 4: only seeing potentially if we go back to Bidenomics, Lord knows,
1:27:59
Speaker 4: we don't need to go back there. But in that
1:28:01
Speaker 4: same timeframe, instead of forty percent, we would have only
1:28:04
Speaker 4: seen an eight or nine percent increase in taxes. Still
1:28:08
Speaker 4: a lot Brian, but much much different in helping to
1:28:11
Speaker 4: smooth out these christs. This this sort of effect we've
1:28:15
Speaker 4: seen in the last couple of years.
1:28:16
Speaker 1: So this prevention of sudden spikes to the rate of inflation,
1:28:21
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess my bubble has been burst because
1:28:23
Speaker 1: I was hoping that that would limit levees to the
1:28:26
Speaker 1: rate of inflation. But that doesn't apply to a separate levee,
1:28:29
Speaker 1: does it.
1:28:32
Speaker 4: I believe it's I mean, it's property tax levees, so
1:28:35
Speaker 4: you know.
1:28:35
Speaker 1: If you got but that's not a valuations. That's not
1:28:38
Speaker 1: a valuation generated spike. That's because voters say, Okay, I'll
1:28:41
Speaker 1: go ahead and have my taxes increase and give the
1:28:43
Speaker 1: schools more money. I'm kind of being cheeky here, man,
1:28:47
Speaker 1: I just but at least one eight six gets us
1:28:51
Speaker 1: out of the hell hole that will was created in
1:28:53
Speaker 1: the aftermath of COVID when the valuations of homes went
1:28:56
Speaker 1: through the roof and then we had the triannual evaluation.
1:28:59
Speaker 1: That's we got our thirty percent plus increase.
1:29:03
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I think some of the things that
1:29:05
Speaker 4: we want to see happen to address what you're talking
1:29:07
Speaker 4: about there right, the levees going up, we did not
1:29:12
Speaker 4: being addressed here, but we would say, hey, you should
1:29:14
Speaker 4: actually have to have a larger amount of the vote
1:29:16
Speaker 4: to get that done.
1:29:17
Speaker 8: Right.
1:29:17
Speaker 4: You can't get that done off of a fifty plus
1:29:19
Speaker 4: one majority. If you're going to increase everyone in your
1:29:21
Speaker 4: community's taxes, you probably need to be more two thirds right,
1:29:25
Speaker 4: three fifths majority. It needs to be a clear demand
1:29:29
Speaker 4: signal from the voters that yes, we want to give
1:29:31
Speaker 4: more of our money to the to the local political
1:29:33
Speaker 4: subdivision asking for it. We're continue to work on that.
1:29:37
Speaker 1: Oh, that is something that's being discussed.
1:29:39
Speaker 4: Then yeah, it's one of the an element of the
1:29:42
Speaker 4: Truth and Taxation package of reform that would help empower
1:29:46
Speaker 4: you know, put the put the power back of the
1:29:48
Speaker 4: hands of the taxpayer rather than the political subdivisions where
1:29:53
Speaker 4: so much of that power exists today.
1:29:55
Speaker 1: All right, as in minitial responses, that sounds like a
1:29:58
Speaker 1: pretty solid idea going forward. People are responsible for their
1:30:02
Speaker 1: own destiny. If they want to increase their own taxes,
1:30:04
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you know your neighbor may not be
1:30:06
Speaker 1: in a position to cover that. And so the idea
1:30:08
Speaker 1: of having a stronger number of people required to approve
1:30:12
Speaker 1: a tax levy, I think that is a sound concept.
1:30:15
Speaker 1: So fingers crossed it that one kind of moves forward.
1:30:18
Speaker 1: House Bill three thirty five. This one also moved out
1:30:21
Speaker 1: of committee. Was it a comparable eleven to one bipartisan vote? Surprisingly,
1:30:26
Speaker 1: so it was holy who, I know.
1:30:29
Speaker 4: Well, what this does is this tackles the inside millage,
1:30:32
Speaker 4: and so I don't have to get two wonky on
1:30:34
Speaker 4: a Wednesday morning, but every political there's ten mills of
1:30:39
Speaker 4: property tax levied in every county, and that inside millage.
1:30:43
Speaker 4: What this does is it ties that growth as well
1:30:46
Speaker 4: to inflation, while also giving the ability like this for
1:30:50
Speaker 4: voluntary reductions, and so the local governments can look around
1:30:54
Speaker 4: and say, hey, actually we want to lower the amount
1:30:57
Speaker 4: of money we're collecting off of inside millage to provide
1:31:01
Speaker 4: relief to our taxpayers. And so most importantly though, it's
1:31:05
Speaker 4: that inflationary right, tying things to inflation, rather than you know,
1:31:09
Speaker 4: you didn't at a garage, You didn't you know, make
1:31:13
Speaker 4: any major modifications to your house. You didn't go out
1:31:15
Speaker 4: and like tap into that unrealized those unrealized gains that
1:31:19
Speaker 4: your house's value has gone up. You're being taxed on it, right,
1:31:22
Speaker 4: that's wrong, and we're gonna they're fixing that with House
1:31:25
Speaker 4: Bill three thirty five.
1:31:27
Speaker 1: All right, well, sounds like progress in the right direction.
1:31:30
Speaker 1: When is it going to come up for a full vote?
1:31:32
Speaker 1: And does it have the support of Governor Mike Dwine
1:31:34
Speaker 1: who vetoed it vetoed some provisions in the budget which
1:31:37
Speaker 1: would have addressed some of these property tax issues.
1:31:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I think these sorts of ideas were included
1:31:43
Speaker 4: in the Governor's Overall Study Committee. Right, everybody is sort
1:31:46
Speaker 4: of a breed around these ideas, So I think this
1:31:48
Speaker 4: is universally accepted. It should get a vote this afternoon.
1:31:51
Speaker 4: Both of these should get votes this afternoon during the
1:31:54
Speaker 4: House session. Now it has to go to the Senate
1:31:56
Speaker 4: receive a number of hearings, but all indications are that
1:31:59
Speaker 4: this is especially with the bipartisan support. These are ideas
1:32:02
Speaker 4: that are going to move fairly quickly and get to
1:32:04
Speaker 4: the governor's desk. Eighty six is key because that will
1:32:07
Speaker 4: provide a relief for folks on their second half year
1:32:10
Speaker 4: tax bills. Oh oh, five hundred million dollars across the state.
1:32:14
Speaker 1: Oh so some immediate relief.
1:32:16
Speaker 4: That.
1:32:16
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that.
1:32:17
Speaker 4: I like that.
1:32:18
Speaker 1: All right, Well there's what you look I mean. I
1:32:23
Speaker 1: guess you're not suggesting that this is in jeopardy, that
1:32:26
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be a squeak or considering eleven
1:32:28
Speaker 1: to one out of the committee. We don't need to
1:32:31
Speaker 1: call to action, to call up our elected officials and
1:32:33
Speaker 1: columbus and demand that they vote in favor of this.
1:32:35
Speaker 1: It looks like a foregun conclusion. If you had to
1:32:37
Speaker 1: read some tea leaves there. Donovan Brian was always about.
1:32:44
Speaker 4: Foot on the peddle here. We don't give up, just
1:32:46
Speaker 4: you don't slow down just because things are head.
1:32:48
Speaker 1: In the director all right, email phone calls, some kind
1:32:52
Speaker 1: of outreach. Is it can't hurt, don Nell doesn't hurt?
1:32:57
Speaker 1: What what else are what what's the next step in
1:32:59
Speaker 1: property actual relief the AFP's looking for. Is it what
1:33:02
Speaker 1: we just talked about or is there something else that
1:33:04
Speaker 1: looks like it could be ready to be teed up
1:33:06
Speaker 1: to give us even further relief. Because I know there
1:33:08
Speaker 1: was like twenty or twenty five different action plan items
1:33:12
Speaker 1: that had been established ahead of the budget vote, but
1:33:15
Speaker 1: also in this sort of post veto budget group that
1:33:20
Speaker 1: the DWINE put together, well I hear.
1:33:22
Speaker 4: I think there's like forty some plus different bills that
1:33:27
Speaker 4: are out there that that, you know, do some type
1:33:31
Speaker 4: of some type of reform. I think what we what
1:33:34
Speaker 4: we want to continue to see is some of that
1:33:36
Speaker 4: truth and taxation stuff that I was talking about. Right,
1:33:38
Speaker 4: Let's make sure that the taxpayers are empowered with the
1:33:42
Speaker 4: authority to you know, you got to get a you
1:33:45
Speaker 4: got to convince a large number of your tax base
1:33:47
Speaker 4: to support an increase. The other piece I think that
1:33:50
Speaker 4: continues to be talked about is surrounding county budget commissions
1:33:53
Speaker 4: and so this could provide a really important stopgap measure,
1:33:57
Speaker 4: local accountability measure comprised of your auditor, treasurer, another prosecutor,
1:34:03
Speaker 4: depending on how it's set up to be that voice
1:34:06
Speaker 4: of the taxpayer. Those folks have Brian, a county wide
1:34:10
Speaker 4: view of what's going on, right, rather than just being
1:34:13
Speaker 4: focused on a little village or a specific school district,
1:34:16
Speaker 4: they're looking at the county at hole. And what I
1:34:19
Speaker 4: think that what we think that can do is really
1:34:21
Speaker 4: help provide another on the taxpayer. Say hey, you know, schools, cities,
1:34:29
Speaker 4: town trips, you all are collecting all this money, how
1:34:31
Speaker 4: much of it do you actually need and what can
1:34:33
Speaker 4: you do to maybe adjust or not grow as much?
1:34:37
Speaker 4: Because it actually has an impact, right, Brian, High taxes
1:34:40
Speaker 4: have an impact on the economic health of a county.
1:34:43
Speaker 4: So this County Budget Commission that already exists, that already
1:34:46
Speaker 4: does a lot of that. It just needs the authority
1:34:48
Speaker 4: really to be able to be able to say, no,
1:34:52
Speaker 4: you're not gonna you know, you're sitting on one hundred
1:34:55
Speaker 4: percent cash fund balance, You're flushed with cash. You just
1:34:59
Speaker 4: got another levee of proved you don't need more money.
1:35:02
Speaker 4: You don't need it. There's no real purpose, right, you're
1:35:04
Speaker 4: providing quality services that County Budget Commission. If we can
1:35:08
Speaker 4: empower and strengthen that further, and there's some ideas kicking
1:35:11
Speaker 4: around around that that would help address I think, more
1:35:15
Speaker 4: of those problems and keep it at a local level
1:35:17
Speaker 4: rather than allowing the state to come in and intervene,
1:35:19
Speaker 4: which is what some folks want. Let's keep it local
1:35:22
Speaker 4: and that's what we can.
1:35:22
Speaker 1: Do here with this all right call to action? Where
1:35:24
Speaker 1: do you want my listeners to go for this and
1:35:26
Speaker 1: other issues? Donald Reneil from Americans for Prosperity, Well.
1:35:30
Speaker 4: Buckeye Blueprint dot Com. Go there, take action, sign up.
1:35:33
Speaker 4: We've got chapters and action committees popping up all over
1:35:36
Speaker 4: the state on this and many many other issues. Thank
1:35:39
Speaker 4: you brain has always for sharing your makeuphon with me
1:35:41
Speaker 4: on Wednesday morning.
1:35:42
Speaker 1: Happy to do it, Donovan, and God bless you and
1:35:44
Speaker 1: Americans were prospering for the wonderful work that you're doing
1:35:47
Speaker 1: each and every day. Everybody get involved. They make it
1:35:49
Speaker 1: so easy. Buff Buckeye Blueprint dot Com. Donovan, we'll talk
1:35:53
Speaker 1: next Wednesday, and I hope you bring some more news
1:35:54
Speaker 1: a good news are way.
1:35:57
Speaker 4: We'll do take care.
1:35:58
Speaker 1: Thanks brother seven thirty nine. Right off that you five
1:36:00
Speaker 1: KRCD talk station we got along with Donovan and Neil.
1:36:03
Speaker 1: That's okay. We've got a few callers online. We're going
1:36:04
Speaker 1: to start with Jennifer, Mary and Mississippi James.
1:36:07
Speaker 11: Hang on.
1:36:07
Speaker 1: Hopefully get you in this one, if not the next segment. Jennifer,
1:36:10
Speaker 1: thanks for calling. Happy Wednesday.
1:36:12
Speaker 13: Hi Brian, Gosh, I've missed you so much. I haven't
1:36:15
Speaker 13: been able to get any of the the you know,
1:36:18
Speaker 13: the luncheons. I was taking care of my mother with
1:36:20
Speaker 13: dementia for five years, and well that's okay. I promised
1:36:24
Speaker 13: God when I was thirteen I would never put my
1:36:26
Speaker 13: mom in a nursing home, and I kept my promise.
1:36:29
Speaker 13: But anyway, I want to talk about these property taxes.
1:36:33
Speaker 13: We lived not far from where you lived on Cleaves
1:36:36
Speaker 13: Warsaw I grew up.
1:36:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up on bow Moral.
1:36:41
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, I know exactly where you lived. But anyway,
1:36:46
Speaker 13: our property taxes, Brian, are five thousand, three hundred dollars
1:36:51
Speaker 13: a year.
1:36:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:36:52
Speaker 13: Our total income is forty two thousands. Oh okay, yeah,
1:36:57
Speaker 13: and seventy five percent of our income goes to the
1:37:02
Speaker 13: Oak Hills School District.
1:37:05
Speaker 1: Oh.
1:37:05
Speaker 13: That seventy five.
1:37:07
Speaker 1: Hearing that, Jennifer, that that hurts. I mean, that's my
1:37:10
Speaker 1: alma mater. I'm a bum day.
1:37:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we have to, Manny.
1:37:17
Speaker 13: I mean, then we've got our house insurance, our car insurance,
1:37:20
Speaker 13: we've got the guests and electric if, we've got the
1:37:22
Speaker 13: water bills, and then we have to try to find,
1:37:24
Speaker 13: you know, somewhere to put some food in there. Oh
1:37:27
Speaker 13: my lord, I mean it's terrible, Brian. When we moved
1:37:31
Speaker 13: in this house forty years ago, our taxes were eight
1:37:34
Speaker 13: hundred dollars a year.
1:37:37
Speaker 1: Hold, I'm getting ready to use an expleto Jennifer.
1:37:41
Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, I don't want to lose my list them.
1:37:44
Speaker 2: Several times, I'll have to pay.
1:37:46
Speaker 1: A fine that'll exceed by a significant amount your tax bill. Jennifer,
1:37:50
Speaker 1: All my word, see.
1:37:51
Speaker 13: You, I'll fine.
1:37:53
Speaker 1: You are the reason exactly the scenario we're talking about
1:37:57
Speaker 1: why we need some desperate property tax relief.
1:37:59
Speaker 13: Well, you know, I worry about the other people. I mean,
1:38:02
Speaker 13: I'm seventy four years old now, and I worry about
1:38:06
Speaker 13: the other people, the elderly people who's income maybe even
1:38:10
Speaker 13: less than ours, exactly, you know, and I worry about
1:38:13
Speaker 13: them losing their condos or whatever they live in because
1:38:17
Speaker 13: of these taxes.
1:38:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, well one of the concepts that is floating around
1:38:22
Speaker 1: and I kind of embrace it, although the devil maybe
1:38:24
Speaker 1: in the details that I haven't thought of, but providing
1:38:27
Speaker 1: seniors maybe with an income cap, like if you make
1:38:30
Speaker 1: less than an X amount, then you're relieved of the
1:38:35
Speaker 1: property tax obligation. Is the dollars that you don't pay
1:38:39
Speaker 1: are placed as a lean on your property. So after
1:38:42
Speaker 1: you die and your assets have been liquidated, that's when
1:38:44
Speaker 1: the property tax is discharged. You don't have to think
1:38:47
Speaker 1: about it or worry about it for the balance of
1:38:48
Speaker 1: your life, and you let your estate deal with it
1:38:50
Speaker 1: when you're gone. So that would provide you with relief. Now,
1:38:54
Speaker 1: it doesn't eradicate the bill, but eventually the state will
1:38:57
Speaker 1: get it and you'll be free of this insane burden
1:39:00
Speaker 1: you're facing right now.
1:39:02
Speaker 13: I mean, it's really terrible. I mean I never in
1:39:05
Speaker 13: my life thought I'd have to go to the food bank.
1:39:09
Speaker 13: Oh my, and that's where my husband and I go
1:39:12
Speaker 13: once a month.
1:39:14
Speaker 1: Jennifer will all be praying for you, you know what,
1:39:17
Speaker 1: Brian and.
1:39:17
Speaker 13: I also have my daughter and my grandson that live
1:39:20
Speaker 13: with us and my daughter's on disability.
1:39:24
Speaker 1: Well, the longer this conversation goes, Jennifer, the more things
1:39:28
Speaker 1: keep piling up.
1:39:30
Speaker 4: I know.
1:39:31
Speaker 13: But you know what, I've prayed my rosary forever forty years,
1:39:35
Speaker 13: every single day, and I know God's taking care of us.
1:39:40
Speaker 13: With a little we have.
1:39:42
Speaker 1: See you get strength, strength, and the worst of times.
1:39:46
Speaker 13: Yes, And I don't think of myself as suffering or anything,
1:39:49
Speaker 13: because I know somebody out there's got it worse.
1:39:52
Speaker 1: That's a great way of approaching it, Jennifer, great way
1:39:55
Speaker 1: of approaching it amid all the concerns and problems you've
1:39:57
Speaker 1: been facing. God bless you, and I'll just courage my
1:40:00
Speaker 1: listeners to pray for you and everybody else who's in
1:40:02
Speaker 1: a comparable situation. This is why we need some reform
1:40:05
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, running headlong to a constitutional
1:40:08
Speaker 1: amendment eradicating property tax. Just still dreaming about that day
1:40:13
Speaker 1: and wondering how it's all going to shake out, Jennifer,
1:40:15
Speaker 1: God bless you, don't go away. Seven forty seven fifty
1:40:17
Speaker 1: five Care City Talk Station, Mary and James coming up
1:40:20
Speaker 1: net Carecy the talk station straight to the phones. I
1:40:21
Speaker 1: think we can get both callers in going to try anyway.
1:40:23
Speaker 1: Mary's first, James, hang on, Mary, Welcome to the show.
1:40:26
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling.
1:40:28
Speaker 14: Oh hi, Brian, thanks for taking my call. The reason
1:40:31
Speaker 14: I'm calling is I wonder, if I'm looking at this right,
1:40:36
Speaker 14: why don't we talk more about how certain.
1:40:42
Speaker 2: Like the Muslims.
1:40:43
Speaker 14: I'm sorry if I'm saying this incorrectly, but they seem
1:40:47
Speaker 14: to be infiltrating government?
1:40:49
Speaker 6: Is that?
1:40:50
Speaker 7: What is that?
1:40:51
Speaker 1: Isn't fact?
1:40:52
Speaker 14: What is going on in England and.
1:40:54
Speaker 1: Canada infiltrating government? I'm not quite sure where you're coming from.
1:40:59
Speaker 1: We have no theocracy here in the United States of America.
1:41:03
Speaker 1: We have a free exercise clause in the First Amendment.
1:41:05
Speaker 1: We're allowed to exercise whatever religion we want. There is
1:41:08
Speaker 1: no religious organization, or rather, there's no state church. So
1:41:12
Speaker 1: any person who probably you know, runs a campaign and
1:41:16
Speaker 1: convinces voters that they're the right choice, it shouldn't matter
1:41:18
Speaker 1: what religion they are. They can't impose their religion on
1:41:21
Speaker 1: us because we have the free exercise in the United States.
1:41:24
Speaker 1: So I don't care what religion a person is. I
1:41:26
Speaker 1: just want them to do something sane for their constituents.
1:41:31
Speaker 1: So what does Muslim happen. Then, yeah, there you are.
1:41:33
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't care. Well, look, we're going to
1:41:36
Speaker 1: have vvak Ramaswammy as the as the next governor of
1:41:39
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio. I'm thoroughly convinced of that. Not
1:41:41
Speaker 1: a Christian man, but he is blank and brilliant, he's
1:41:45
Speaker 1: got great ideas, he's obviously demonstrably successful. I'll take it.
1:41:50
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter with you.
1:41:53
Speaker 6: I'm with you.
1:41:54
Speaker 14: I'm not talking about the US. I'm asking about England.
1:41:58
Speaker 1: Oh well, there that Well, you've just entered into the
1:42:02
Speaker 1: twilight zone when you're talking about the European Union or
1:42:05
Speaker 1: the UK. They do not have a constitution. They can
1:42:09
Speaker 1: limit the words that come out of your mouth. They
1:42:11
Speaker 1: have prior restraint on speech. So give you a list
1:42:14
Speaker 1: of words you can't speak. If you speak it, they
1:42:17
Speaker 1: can prosecute you. It's uh again, I'm leaning toward FCC
1:42:21
Speaker 1: non compliant language. Now, as I consider the reality of
1:42:24
Speaker 1: life in the UK, you don't want to go down
1:42:27
Speaker 1: that road. That's why we should just protect the Constitution
1:42:30
Speaker 1: with our very lives. Our founding fathers recognize that. That's
1:42:34
Speaker 1: why we've got the Bill of Rights. Mary, thank you
1:42:37
Speaker 1: very much Mississippi. James, welcome, my friend. Good to hear
1:42:40
Speaker 1: from you.
1:42:41
Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, Brian, come in peace, love everybody and
1:42:44
Speaker 7: there's nothing you can do about it.
1:42:47
Speaker 4: Good for you, James, Bryan.
1:42:49
Speaker 15: I suggested a guy while I've talked to Joe about it,
1:42:53
Speaker 15: and maybe you could reach out to him as a guess.
1:42:57
Speaker 15: He's a black six year with it in the Air
1:43:00
Speaker 15: Force for six years, a black guy from Mississippi, and
1:43:05
Speaker 15: he's conservative. He used to tour around with Charlie kirk
1:43:09
Speaker 15: Oh and he just have a good message out there
1:43:13
Speaker 15: that's in that balance that I always speak about, Sir.
1:43:17
Speaker 15: And matter of fact, what else? His name is Christopher
1:43:22
Speaker 15: Towns If any of the guests want to look him up.
1:43:25
Speaker 15: Christopher Townsend is his name. He's a positive rapper. Yeah
1:43:31
Speaker 15: on the positive music you go by the name Tofah
1:43:34
Speaker 15: Town and that's like top h e r the in
1:43:41
Speaker 15: town to be worth bringing to the audience. Listen to him.
1:43:45
Speaker 15: I think they'll enjoy him.
1:43:46
Speaker 7: I enjoy the guy.
1:43:48
Speaker 1: I'll take the recommendation James, the extent we can track
1:43:51
Speaker 1: him down and get him on the show. I would
1:43:52
Speaker 1: welcome that opportunity. It's always I appreciate different messages, and
1:43:57
Speaker 1: of course if there is a black man out there
1:44:00
Speaker 1: that is expressing a conservative message, we don't run into
1:44:02
Speaker 1: that very often. If you've got someone like that that's
1:44:04
Speaker 1: got an audience and who's got followers spreading a conservative message,
1:44:09
Speaker 1: you know, come on in. The water's warm and fine,
1:44:11
Speaker 1: and you are welcome here on the fifty five KRS
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Speaker 1: Morning Show. That's why I love hearing from you, James.
1:44:15
Speaker 1: Appreciate your message, and I appreciate you calling in from
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1:44:20
Speaker 1: After the top of the air news, this is going
1:44:22
Speaker 1: to be a cool discussion the name of the book
1:44:26
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1:44:29
Speaker 1: very happy Wednesday to you. I have been looking forward
1:44:32
Speaker 1: to this moment in time since I got here in
1:44:33
Speaker 1: the morning show to find out that Tom Clavin is
1:44:36
Speaker 1: on the rundown. He's joined the program right now to
1:44:38
Speaker 1: talk about his new book. By way of background, you
1:44:40
Speaker 1: probably already know him, best selling author of twenty five
1:44:43
Speaker 1: Let Me Underscore the Word non fiction books on military history, sports,
1:44:48
Speaker 1: and entertainment. His writing career began in journalism as a
1:44:51
Speaker 1: Rover reporter for the New York Times fifteen years, as
1:44:54
Speaker 1: well as contribued in multiple national magazines, awarded numerous prizes
1:44:57
Speaker 1: by the Society of Professional Journalists National News Paper Association.
1:45:01
Speaker 1: His books multiple award winners, including six that made it
1:45:05
Speaker 1: to the New York Times Bestseller. He has written several screenplays,
1:45:09
Speaker 1: including a couple of his books that are currently being
1:45:11
Speaker 1: developed as screen projects. And I'm guessing, Tom Claven, welcome
1:45:15
Speaker 1: that this book we're talking about this morning is going
1:45:17
Speaker 1: to be number three. I want to see a movie
1:45:19
Speaker 1: about this running deep bravery survival and the true story
1:45:23
Speaker 1: of the deadliest submarine in World War Two. Tom, it's
1:45:26
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on the program.
1:45:28
Speaker 7: Well, thank you for having me back on the show.
1:45:29
Speaker 7: And I agree it would make a terrific movie. Oh
1:45:32
Speaker 7: my ripic story to begin.
1:45:33
Speaker 1: With, it's insane. And you know right now there is
1:45:36
Speaker 1: a man in my listening audience, a dear friend of mine,
1:45:38
Speaker 1: a career submariner, spent his entire career in the military
1:45:42
Speaker 1: and submarines, And Mike is out there sitting on the
1:45:44
Speaker 1: edge of a seat. You've already sold one book, I
1:45:46
Speaker 1: assure you, Tom, And he knew about this boat. He
1:45:50
Speaker 1: knew about the Captain Richard Okaine, which is featured in
1:45:53
Speaker 1: the book. So let's dive on into it. You described
1:45:56
Speaker 1: this is the deadliest submarine in World War Two, so
1:46:00
Speaker 1: like like pilots get kills, and they can become you know,
1:46:06
Speaker 1: certain levels of pilots an ace. For example, this sub
1:46:10
Speaker 1: sunk more vessels than any of the other in the
1:46:12
Speaker 1: in the entire World War two.
1:46:15
Speaker 7: It did it did. It is the USS Tang, and
1:46:17
Speaker 7: it was the best attack submarine in the US had
1:46:20
Speaker 7: in the Pacific theater, and it sank thirty three Japanese
1:46:23
Speaker 7: ships and would have sunk more except it ran into it,
1:46:26
Speaker 7: you know, ran into an entire convoy that was trying
1:46:28
Speaker 7: to take out. It proved to be a little too much,
1:46:30
Speaker 7: but the Tang was was the most recognized. And I'm
1:46:35
Speaker 7: glad you mentioned about your friend who knew knows about
1:46:37
Speaker 7: Richard o'caine, because amongst some mariners there seems to be
1:46:42
Speaker 7: a recognition of Ocaine, and he's like the Navy equivalent
1:46:45
Speaker 7: of Audie Murphy. Yes, but to the general public, they don't.
1:46:48
Speaker 7: They've never heard of the guy, which is which is
1:46:49
Speaker 7: a shame because he was great guite, the heroic character
1:46:52
Speaker 7: in World War Two.
1:46:52
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wait to you here. We'll get a
1:46:54
Speaker 1: brief little sliver of the excitement that these men uh
1:46:58
Speaker 1: were involved with on the submarine. But Mike wanted you
1:47:00
Speaker 1: and meet to know my listening audience is going to
1:47:02
Speaker 1: pass along. There was a street named after the tang
1:47:05
Speaker 1: in Groton, Connecticut at the submarine base, and the CEO there,
1:47:10
Speaker 1: Richard Dick o'caine is also apparently they have a officers
1:47:14
Speaker 1: quarters named after him on the sub base, so everyone
1:47:18
Speaker 1: in the Navy knows who this guy is. Let's talk
1:47:21
Speaker 1: about some of the action they First off, what was
1:47:23
Speaker 1: life like in a World War two submarine. I can't
1:47:26
Speaker 1: imagine it was fun.
1:47:29
Speaker 7: No, it wasn't. And in fact, you can only volunteer
1:47:32
Speaker 7: for submarine duty, you cannot be assigned to it because
1:47:35
Speaker 7: it was It was not only very cramped and very
1:47:38
Speaker 7: tight quarters. You're claustrophobic, you were sunk, you can say,
1:47:44
Speaker 7: but it was dangerous. It was you know, the mortality
1:47:47
Speaker 7: rate for a submarine sailor was six times that of
1:47:49
Speaker 7: a surface ship sailor, so that we lost fifty two
1:47:55
Speaker 7: boats was sunk during World War two, and so there
1:47:58
Speaker 7: was a lot of a lot of the navy guys,
1:48:01
Speaker 7: they say nothing to do with submarines, but they turned
1:48:04
Speaker 7: out to be especially effective. And the tang was head
1:48:07
Speaker 7: and shoulders above the other submarines and being able to
1:48:09
Speaker 7: hunt down and sink Japanese shipping.
1:48:12
Speaker 1: Well, you're right about psychological profile to serve on a submarine,
1:48:15
Speaker 1: I personally would not pass that test. The idea of
1:48:19
Speaker 1: it's less about claustrophobia, Tom, but the idea of depth
1:48:22
Speaker 1: charges exploding around you in any moment in time, you
1:48:25
Speaker 1: might implode and sink to the bottom of the sea,
1:48:27
Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about here in a minute.
1:48:30
Speaker 15: Yeah.
1:48:30
Speaker 7: They you could be bonds, you'd be sailing on the
1:48:34
Speaker 7: surface and a plane spots you. It could bother you.
1:48:36
Speaker 7: You can be under water and a depth charges like
1:48:39
Speaker 7: you said, could come and get you. There could be
1:48:41
Speaker 7: a malfunction. And the thing is when a submarine is
1:48:44
Speaker 7: in danger of sinking and it goes under the water,
1:48:47
Speaker 7: there's no way to go. I mean, one of the
1:48:49
Speaker 7: things about if you want to destroyer or a battleship
1:48:51
Speaker 7: or an aircraft carrier and it's damaged, you have the
1:48:53
Speaker 7: option of getting into a lifeboat or if you need
1:48:55
Speaker 7: to jump overboard and hold on to something. In a submarine,
1:48:58
Speaker 7: there's no jumping overboard, there's no there's no way out.
1:49:01
Speaker 7: So that's another reason why it was especially risky and
1:49:04
Speaker 7: tension film way of serving the Navy.
1:49:08
Speaker 1: Well, you go into great detail about this and then
1:49:10
Speaker 1: let's fast forward and obviously I don't want a huge
1:49:13
Speaker 1: reveal on this, but it's so exciting conceptually that this
1:49:18
Speaker 1: is the this is the book selling moment right here
1:49:20
Speaker 1: at this moment in time, Tom claven. Let's fast forward
1:49:22
Speaker 1: to October twenty fourth, nineteen forty four, yes.
1:49:27
Speaker 7: Eighty one years ago, this Friday, and the Tang is
1:49:30
Speaker 7: in the Foremosa Strait, which is off the coast of China,
1:49:33
Speaker 7: and it encounters an entire Japanese convoy. Now, some submarines
1:49:38
Speaker 7: were operated and packs one one submarine, but the tank
1:49:41
Speaker 7: was always a kind of a lone wolf. It was
1:49:44
Speaker 7: by itself. I saw this convoy, it couldn't let it
1:49:46
Speaker 7: pass pass through. So an attack that took out an
1:49:49
Speaker 7: entire convoy. It was actually destroying it. When it fired
1:49:52
Speaker 7: its last torpedo, which boomerang came back and struck the Tang.
1:49:56
Speaker 7: It sank to ared it game the rest of the
1:49:57
Speaker 7: bottom a hundred and eighty feet. The captain, some of
1:50:00
Speaker 7: the crew members managed to survive. It's a really exciting
1:50:04
Speaker 7: sequence out of the boat.
1:50:06
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a lot of process here. They were sunk
1:50:08
Speaker 1: by their own torpedo. I didn't even know that was
1:50:10
Speaker 1: a concept, Tom. I guess we're happy we have more
1:50:13
Speaker 1: modern technology that can't happen anymore.
1:50:16
Speaker 7: Well. One of the reveals I think of and running
1:50:18
Speaker 7: deep is how inadequate a lot of our torpedoes were.
1:50:21
Speaker 7: I mean, when you watch a movie about World War
1:50:23
Speaker 7: two and somebody fires a torpedo, it always hits the target,
1:50:27
Speaker 7: but a lot of times too often, and World War
1:50:29
Speaker 7: to the reality was that that torpedoes would explode too early,
1:50:33
Speaker 7: they would be completely duds, and they can boomerang. They
1:50:36
Speaker 7: could the gyroscope would go crazy, and they would come
1:50:38
Speaker 7: around as in case of the tank, and strike the
1:50:40
Speaker 7: tank in the stern. It sank stern first. A lot
1:50:43
Speaker 7: of the guys and the boat were killed, but some
1:50:46
Speaker 7: managed to escape and get to the surface where you know,
1:50:49
Speaker 7: they went from the frying pan to the fire because
1:50:50
Speaker 7: they were rescued by Japanese sailors who weren't too happy
1:50:53
Speaker 7: about the submarine that I just destroyed a lot of
1:50:56
Speaker 7: the shipping, No, I.
1:50:57
Speaker 1: Imagine not so they sink a hundred eighty feet down.
1:51:02
Speaker 1: Eighty seven total crew men were on this submarine, which
1:51:05
Speaker 1: again I'm trying to struggle with the reality of the
1:51:07
Speaker 1: living conditions in this tightest space with eighty seven but
1:51:12
Speaker 1: nine and manages to get to the surface. Can I
1:51:16
Speaker 1: just say, ask, real briefly, how in the how do
1:51:17
Speaker 1: you get from one hundred and eighty feet down in
1:51:19
Speaker 1: a sealed container to get to the surface.
1:51:22
Speaker 7: Well, you know, there are two or three the captain
1:51:24
Speaker 7: and a couple of guys were on the bridge. When
1:51:27
Speaker 7: the torpedo hits, they were thrown into the water, but
1:51:29
Speaker 7: there were six others down below that. They had this
1:51:32
Speaker 7: device called the Bobson lung which was invented right before
1:51:35
Speaker 7: the war, which you put it on and it's sort
1:51:37
Speaker 7: of like it's not a scuba diving kind of thing,
1:51:39
Speaker 7: and so that's just a little inflatable thing. But the
1:51:42
Speaker 7: idea was they could give you enough oxygen to give
1:51:44
Speaker 7: you a chance to get to the surface, and so
1:51:46
Speaker 7: that's what these guys did. They put any Bobson lungs
1:51:47
Speaker 7: they got into this escape chamber, they were push down
1:51:50
Speaker 7: into the water and they headed for the surface. Some
1:51:52
Speaker 7: made it, some did not.
1:51:54
Speaker 1: Now I have to ask you, are these like parachutes?
1:51:56
Speaker 1: Every of the every one of the eighty seven crewmen
1:51:59
Speaker 1: had one of the used to use.
1:52:02
Speaker 7: Well, they were on board. Let's put it that way,
1:52:04
Speaker 7: life preservers. You didn't bother even thinking about them until
1:52:07
Speaker 7: you absolutely absolutely needed them and hoped they would work.
1:52:09
Speaker 7: That was like one was issued to every sailor. Was
1:52:11
Speaker 7: like hopefully in the escape chamber you'd find them available.
1:52:15
Speaker 1: All right. So when they make it to the top,
1:52:17
Speaker 1: the remaining nine survivors and nine survivors, they were in
1:52:20
Speaker 1: fact captured by the Japanese in placed on what you
1:52:23
Speaker 1: described in the book as a torture camp.
1:52:27
Speaker 7: Yeah, torture camp because they they were considered almost like
1:52:31
Speaker 7: terrorists because they preyed on civilian shipping, which you know,
1:52:35
Speaker 7: like the Japanese equivalent of the Verti Marine, and so
1:52:38
Speaker 7: they were in the brutal conditions very similar to what
1:52:41
Speaker 7: the book Unbroken. In fact, Louis Zamparini was the hero
1:52:43
Speaker 7: of the book Unbroken, was one of Captain o'caine's fellow
1:52:46
Speaker 7: officers at this particular torture camp, and Okine was a
1:52:50
Speaker 7: particular target because once the once they found out he
1:52:53
Speaker 7: was the captain of the the submarine that destroyed more shipping,
1:52:57
Speaker 7: more of their boats than any ships than any other submarine,
1:53:00
Speaker 7: they really had it out for him and he barely survived.
1:53:03
Speaker 7: But the camp we liberated.
1:53:05
Speaker 1: Oh, I bet he was a target of some serious abuse, sir,
1:53:09
Speaker 1: I truly believe. Oh yeah, well, and he did, I
1:53:12
Speaker 1: guess ultimately earn the highest award of the land, the
1:53:16
Speaker 1: Medal of Honor, as well as other decorations. Was it
1:53:19
Speaker 1: for his service obviously on the Tang but it was
1:53:22
Speaker 1: because of this particular operation where they sunk so many
1:53:25
Speaker 1: this Japanese fleet. Is that the basis for his receiving
1:53:28
Speaker 1: the Medal of Honor.
1:53:30
Speaker 7: Well, I should point out that that Ritzie O'Kane was
1:53:33
Speaker 7: like the Audie Murphy of the US Navy. He was
1:53:35
Speaker 7: the most decorated naval officer of World War Two. So
1:53:38
Speaker 7: he had already been recognized for his service for operating
1:53:41
Speaker 7: being the captain that this terrific effective submarine. But I
1:53:46
Speaker 7: think what got in the Medal of Honor was that
1:53:47
Speaker 7: during his captivity the torture camp. He endured, and he
1:53:52
Speaker 7: got his men to endure, and he got others to endure.
1:53:54
Speaker 7: He was really an inspiration that he would basically, I
1:53:57
Speaker 7: almost call this book undefeated. Was used to be defeated
1:54:00
Speaker 7: by what the Japanese hold out to him, and I
1:54:03
Speaker 7: think that helped other people survive terrific conditions. So I
1:54:05
Speaker 7: think the Middle of Honor was different for his survival
1:54:08
Speaker 7: and the survival of others.
1:54:09
Speaker 1: Wow, and a great lesson to be learned for us
1:54:11
Speaker 1: who struggle with you know, a fraction of the day
1:54:13
Speaker 1: to day challenges that he struggled with. You know, inspiration
1:54:16
Speaker 1: can be derived from a man who walked out of
1:54:18
Speaker 1: a torture camp at ninety pounds after being subjected to
1:54:22
Speaker 1: that abuse. That's truly, truly something be said, Tom Clay.
1:54:25
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, did you have in doing
1:54:28
Speaker 1: your research for this Did you have access to diaries
1:54:31
Speaker 1: or personal accounts by the people who served on the
1:54:33
Speaker 1: on the submarine. Where did you come up with the
1:54:35
Speaker 1: information to understand these day to day conditions and what
1:54:38
Speaker 1: they went through?
1:54:39
Speaker 7: Well, I'm wanted to mention that because they the survivors
1:54:44
Speaker 7: of the tank got back to the United States and
1:54:46
Speaker 7: what they recovered enough physically from their various injuries. They
1:54:49
Speaker 7: were all debriefed. And there's also all the histories at
1:54:52
Speaker 7: the World Wars Who Center Museum in New Orleans. Richard
1:54:57
Speaker 7: o'caine years later, which has been very interesting, he wrote
1:55:00
Speaker 7: a book called Clear the Bridge about his experiences as
1:55:03
Speaker 7: a Tang captain, but he only devoted two pages to
1:55:06
Speaker 7: his a year long incarceration that would torture camp like
1:55:09
Speaker 7: even years later, he couldn't he couldn't bear to write
1:55:11
Speaker 7: about it. There are other officers that kept diary, so yes,
1:55:15
Speaker 7: there was, thankfully lucky for me, a lot of archivo
1:55:17
Speaker 7: material to draw from.
1:55:19
Speaker 1: How did I'd never heard of the Tang? Obviously didn't
1:55:22
Speaker 1: serve in the military, most notably Navy on a submarine
1:55:25
Speaker 1: like Mike did. But how did you learn personally of
1:55:27
Speaker 1: the Tang? And Richard O'Kaine to write this book? Because
1:55:33
Speaker 1: this is yet another, as far as I know, untold
1:55:35
Speaker 1: story coming out of World War Two. It's twenty twenty five.
1:55:38
Speaker 1: You'd think we'd have heard all of this by now, Tom.
1:55:41
Speaker 7: Exactly, how could there still be a story we don't
1:55:43
Speaker 7: know about? But again, I was researching something else and
1:55:47
Speaker 7: I stumbled upon a mention of Audio Murphy comparing him
1:55:50
Speaker 7: to Richard O'Kaine because of being the most decorated officers,
1:55:53
Speaker 7: I said, I've never heard of this guy. Most people
1:55:55
Speaker 7: have heard of Audio Murphy because he went on to
1:55:57
Speaker 7: become a Hollywood star and made movies right like that.
1:56:00
Speaker 7: But Richard o'caine, who the heck is that? You know?
1:56:02
Speaker 7: A guy whom bore in New Hampshire and he became
1:56:04
Speaker 7: one of the most decorator offictory of the Maybe. So
1:56:07
Speaker 7: that's how I sort of stumbled upon it. And it
1:56:08
Speaker 7: was one of those things where I just kept peeling
1:56:10
Speaker 7: back layers and finding more information, and more information found
1:56:12
Speaker 7: out about the Tang. How come nobody noticed it about
1:56:15
Speaker 7: the Tang and the most effective submarine in World War Two?
1:56:19
Speaker 7: So the more I learned, the more I realized, this
1:56:21
Speaker 7: is just an incredible story, and thankfully it's not been told,
1:56:25
Speaker 7: you know, for a mainstream audience until Running Deep.
1:56:28
Speaker 1: That's why we have you, Tom Claven doing it time
1:56:30
Speaker 1: after time after time. Twenty five non fiction books. I
1:56:34
Speaker 1: guess does this make it twenty six or is this
1:56:36
Speaker 1: number twenty five?
1:56:39
Speaker 7: You know, I'm like Jack Benny, who had never got
1:56:40
Speaker 7: past age thirty nine, I had twenty five books. That's
1:56:46
Speaker 7: this my story. I'm sticking to it.
1:56:47
Speaker 10: There you go.
1:56:49
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the winning of the New York Times bestseller.
1:56:51
Speaker 1: Another one. We're going to talk about six New York
1:56:53
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Speaker 1: of Running Deep Bravery Survival in the true story of
1:56:57
Speaker 1: the deadliest submarine of World War Two. It's always a
1:57:00
Speaker 1: pleasure talking when you keep up the great work. And
1:57:02
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1:57:04
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1:57:14
Speaker 1: one year fifty five car seat talk station. I hope
1:57:18
Speaker 1: you're having a really really decent Wednesday. Stick around. Judg
1:57:21
Speaker 1: Ena Pulatano's going to be up next. I always enjoy
1:57:23
Speaker 1: having him on it. I hope you enjoyed as much
1:57:24
Speaker 1: as I do today. The column anyway, a Trumpian headache
1:57:29
Speaker 1: talking about bombing narco terrorists or at least a leeged
1:57:32
Speaker 1: narco terrorist in distant waters, because somehow they represent an
1:57:37
Speaker 1: eminent threat to our security. Here, Listen, I know the
1:57:41
Speaker 1: talking hands. I've heard people talk. I've heard elected officials
1:57:44
Speaker 1: of talk. I've heard people have different points of view.
1:57:46
Speaker 1: I just don't buy into it. I don't want drugs
1:57:48
Speaker 1: in my country. I don't want drugs in my country.
1:57:54
Speaker 1: But we live in a smaller and smaller world. Technology
1:57:57
Speaker 1: is easier and easier to obtain and deadly. Techno is
1:58:00
Speaker 1: far more easy to obtain than it ever has been.
1:58:03
Speaker 1: And we have crazy people that run the world. I'm
1:58:06
Speaker 1: just I just always think of it. There but for
1:58:08
Speaker 1: the grace of God, go I. We're the biggest, baddest
1:58:13
Speaker 1: country on the block, unmatched American military, unmatched military strength.
1:58:18
Speaker 1: We have nuclear capabilities, for God's sake, submarines, the best,
1:58:22
Speaker 1: highest quality, most efficient effective weapons on the planet. We
1:58:27
Speaker 1: don't really we aren't really concerned about Little Venezuela, you know,
1:58:31
Speaker 1: declaring war on us, and that big existential threat to
1:58:36
Speaker 1: some other nation might have. The size and scope of
1:58:38
Speaker 1: our military is really what prevents other leaders, if I
1:58:41
Speaker 1: can use that term loosely, from deciding, you know what,
1:58:43
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's a terrorist, I'm gonna start dropping bombs on him.
1:58:48
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a point that can't be overlooked. But
1:58:55
Speaker 1: if some other country was doing this, I wonder what
1:58:58
Speaker 1: our reaction would be as a Americans, What the hell
1:59:01
Speaker 1: is going on? Most notably a country that may that
1:59:04
Speaker 1: we don't agree with, pick China. China started launching missile
1:59:09
Speaker 1: strikes into different countries. Maybe China's upset that the fentanyl
1:59:15
Speaker 1: that they gave over to these Mexican cartels or Columbian
1:59:18
Speaker 1: cartels or Venezuelan cartels is not making it to its
1:59:21
Speaker 1: intended destination. They're attacking our shipments of goods. They're jeopardizing
1:59:26
Speaker 1: the people with whom we do business. Maybe we'll launch
1:59:28
Speaker 1: a drone strike and hit somebody. I don't know. It
1:59:31
Speaker 1: is complicated, but in the final analysis, we've got territorial waters.
1:59:35
Speaker 1: And this is what it comes down to for me.
1:59:37
Speaker 1: You know they're bad guys, Prove that they got drugs
1:59:39
Speaker 1: in the boat, Prove they're narco terrorists. Wait till they
1:59:41
Speaker 1: finally get here. And I do believe we have sufficient
1:59:44
Speaker 1: technology if we can track them off the coast of Venezuela.
1:59:48
Speaker 1: We can see the boat, We've got video of it.
1:59:50
Speaker 1: We can see the explosion blowing it up. We all
1:59:52
Speaker 1: can say we can also see that with a submarine.
1:59:55
Speaker 1: Oh they got a submarine had drugs in it, I hope.
1:59:58
Speaker 1: So anyway, well, if you can see over there, why
2:00:00
Speaker 1: not just track it. Satellite technology, drone technology, whatever we
2:00:04
Speaker 1: use to track stuff and things all over this planet.
2:00:09
Speaker 1: Follow the submarine and the minute it gets into us
2:00:11
Speaker 1: territory of water, is just just unleash hell on them
2:00:15
Speaker 1: with the coast guard. Pull them out of the water,
2:00:17
Speaker 1: arrest them, grab the drugs, put them on full display,
2:00:21
Speaker 1: try them, convict them and lock them up forever or whatever.
2:00:24
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the death penalty, This is
2:00:26
Speaker 1: not me advocating for it, but maybe they should just
2:00:28
Speaker 1: impose the death penalty for narco terrorists at least to
2:00:32
Speaker 1: be a law in the book and to be some
2:00:33
Speaker 1: sort of process that could prove in court that, yes,
2:00:36
Speaker 1: without any hesitation, these are bad guys, convicted beyond a
2:00:41
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt, and subject them to whatever penalty might apply
2:00:43
Speaker 1: to them. It seems to me that did an equally
2:00:47
Speaker 1: effective determent, we wouldn't have these swirling question marks floating
2:00:50
Speaker 1: around about.
2:00:51
Speaker 7: Hmm.
2:00:52
Speaker 1: Were they really narco terrorist or do we believe the
2:00:54
Speaker 1: Venezuelan government we just blew a fishing boat out of
2:00:57
Speaker 1: the water. No, I don't believe Venezuelan government, but you
2:01:01
Speaker 1: got to recognize that's certainly a possibility eight twenty five
2:01:07
Speaker 1: Ify five cares for the toxication, Judge of Poultano, I
2:01:09
Speaker 1: think on that coming up next, looking forward to that conversation,
2:01:12
Speaker 1: I who you can stick around for it fifty five
2:01:14
Speaker 1: karc when you hear them a Trumpian headache, I enjoyed.
2:01:18
Speaker 1: You know you and I are in the minority on
2:01:20
Speaker 1: this issue, Judge of Paul Tuanto. I think you know that,
2:01:22
Speaker 1: don't you.
2:01:24
Speaker 16: I do, And it's such a head scratcher to me.
2:01:28
Speaker 16: I even included in they're a paragraph that this has
2:01:31
Speaker 16: nothing to do with Donald Trump, has nothing to do
2:01:34
Speaker 16: with whether you like him or not. It has nothing
2:01:36
Speaker 16: to do with whether you think it's a maudible goal
2:01:38
Speaker 16: or not.
2:01:39
Speaker 7: Right.
2:01:39
Speaker 16: This has to do with the core American value, which
2:01:45
Speaker 16: is due process of law, the very reason we fought
2:01:48
Speaker 16: the American Revolution, the reason they wrote the Constitution, the
2:01:51
Speaker 16: core of the Fifth Amendment consistently interpreted for two hundred
2:01:56
Speaker 16: and fifty years to prevent what's happening right now. Even
2:02:02
Speaker 16: the Nazi saboteurs who were caught in long Island and
2:02:08
Speaker 16: Florida during World War Two. We're given a trial before execution.
2:02:15
Speaker 1: No person shall be de private of liberty or property
2:02:18
Speaker 1: without due process of law. Now, right now, there are
2:02:21
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people when I've heard this argument before,
2:02:24
Speaker 1: you're honor, so I really want to dive right on
2:02:25
Speaker 1: into it that are saying, Wait a second, it's the
2:02:28
Speaker 1: United States Constitution. The Constitution provides protection of course and
2:02:35
Speaker 1: liberties and freedoms to US citizens. We can't extend it
2:02:38
Speaker 1: out to every human being in the world. That is
2:02:42
Speaker 1: not your interpretation of no person shall be to private life,
2:02:45
Speaker 1: liberty party, that's everybody.
2:02:47
Speaker 16: Well, that's not my interpretation. That's the Supreme Court's interpretation.
2:02:52
Speaker 16: The word is person, it's not Americans. I didn't put
2:02:55
Speaker 16: this in the in the article, and of course I
2:02:59
Speaker 16: won't his name, but I received an email from a
2:03:03
Speaker 16: very well known retired admiral. I don't know if it's
2:03:09
Speaker 16: two stars or three stars, but it's the second or
2:03:12
Speaker 16: third level up there who read a prior piece that
2:03:17
Speaker 16: I wrote about this before we knew about the two survivors.
2:03:20
Speaker 16: The key to my piece this week is that there
2:03:23
Speaker 16: are two survivors, which is the Trumpian headache because without
2:03:28
Speaker 16: leaving their home countries, they can commence an action under
2:03:34
Speaker 16: the Civil Rights Act for the use of official power
2:03:38
Speaker 16: to attempt to kill them and to kidnap them. The
2:03:42
Speaker 16: admiral said to me, we stopped boats all the time.
2:03:48
Speaker 16: We did so only when we had probable cause. We
2:03:52
Speaker 16: never killed anybody. If there was probable cause. If we
2:03:56
Speaker 16: found drugs, we seized the boat. We arrested the people,
2:03:59
Speaker 16: we turn them over. The Coastguard have turned them over
2:04:01
Speaker 16: to the Department of Justice. We don't know what happened
2:04:03
Speaker 16: to them. It wasn't our job, but we assume they
2:04:05
Speaker 16: had a trial. If we had been ordered to kill people,
2:04:11
Speaker 16: these stars on my shoulder would have been thrown on
2:04:14
Speaker 16: the Secretary of Defense's desk.
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Speaker 1: Right, we need to stand as a higher, nobler country.
2:04:20
Speaker 1: The idea of due process, for me, lends credibility to
2:04:25
Speaker 1: our actions. If there's going to be accountability by way
2:04:28
Speaker 1: of punishment or even in certain cases. And I don't
2:04:31
Speaker 1: believe in the death penalty Judge of Poloitano, but if
2:04:32
Speaker 1: we're going to execute somebody, you're entitled to due process.
2:04:35
Speaker 1: It sends a message to the world that we're not
2:04:38
Speaker 1: crazy We're not rogue. We're not just running around blowing
2:04:40
Speaker 1: up every human being on the planet that we find
2:04:42
Speaker 1: offence with. And you know, and to your point, as
2:04:45
Speaker 1: I said earlier in the program, I've said before, Okay,
2:04:47
Speaker 1: you're seeing a submarine. It's fifteen hundred two thousand miles away.
2:04:50
Speaker 1: You've got you've got video of it, you've got satellite
2:04:52
Speaker 1: tracking of it. Keep your eye on it until it
2:04:55
Speaker 1: gets into US waters, and it's sending the coastguard, and
2:04:59
Speaker 1: go through the process. So you just talked about we
2:05:01
Speaker 1: don't have the death penalty for drug dealing here in
2:05:03
Speaker 1: the United States, Your honor.
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Speaker 2: Right, right.
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Speaker 16: So you know, I don't know anything about these two survivors.
2:05:12
Speaker 16: I don't know about their physical slash medical condition. I
2:05:16
Speaker 16: don't know if they are the type of people that
2:05:20
Speaker 16: would file this complaint. But I do know that there
2:05:23
Speaker 16: are civil rights lawyers trying to find them. Oh yeah,
2:05:27
Speaker 16: because they need a real living plaintiff who has standing.
2:05:33
Speaker 16: And from that story I told you I put in
2:05:35
Speaker 16: there about Don war Alacki's father, where the judge says,
2:05:39
Speaker 16: you know, sir, you don't have standing, there's no harm
2:05:41
Speaker 16: to you. Your son would have standing. Of course, the
2:05:44
Speaker 16: son was obliterated before he could.
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Speaker 4: Get to a federal court.
2:05:49
Speaker 16: It is clear that these two people have standing to
2:05:51
Speaker 16: bring an action against the government, and that would of
2:05:54
Speaker 16: course litigate this, that would put before a federal judge.
2:05:58
Speaker 16: Trump's claimed powers to to kill people in the High
2:06:01
Speaker 16: seas if they can get these folks to become plaintiffs, right,
2:06:06
Speaker 16: But this is the nightmare for the DOJ. I can
2:06:10
Speaker 16: only imagine because they keep everything secret, that they had
2:06:13
Speaker 16: a great debate about what do we do with these people?
2:06:16
Speaker 16: The President says, they're drug dealers? Can we just let
2:06:19
Speaker 16: them go? Do we have enough evidence to arrest them?
2:06:22
Speaker 4: Do we have enough evidence to prosecute them?
2:06:24
Speaker 16: These must have been the types of questions that the
2:06:27
Speaker 16: DOJ was debating in the past week when they took
2:06:31
Speaker 16: the safe course of repatriating them, because if they brought
2:06:34
Speaker 16: them to the United States, well then there's no question
2:06:38
Speaker 16: but that there'd be litigation.
2:06:41
Speaker 1: I almost want to hasten to mention Guantanamo Bay. We
2:06:44
Speaker 1: had some due process problems there too as well. We've
2:06:47
Speaker 1: talked many times about the torture that went on there
2:06:50
Speaker 1: and the problems associated with that. I guess I have
2:06:54
Speaker 1: to ask you.
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Speaker 16: That Guantanamo Bay. How many trials have they had at
2:06:58
Speaker 16: Guantanamo obey emanating from nine to eleven?
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Speaker 1: There you go zero, remember zero zero. What would the
2:07:08
Speaker 1: form of the and I know there's a lawyer out
2:07:10
Speaker 1: there that would love to find these guys. As you
2:07:12
Speaker 1: pointed out, what would the nature of the claim against
2:07:15
Speaker 1: the US government? Is it a civil rights violation? Do
2:07:17
Speaker 1: process violation?
2:07:18
Speaker 7: Yes?
2:07:18
Speaker 16: Yes, Now normally this is a criminal case. Normally, a
2:07:23
Speaker 16: government agent who used the force of law illegally to
2:07:28
Speaker 16: attempt to kill somebody or to kidnap them would be
2:07:32
Speaker 16: prosecuted by the DOJ. Obviously, the DOJ is not going
2:07:35
Speaker 16: to prosecute the president or Pete Hegseeth or an admiral
2:07:39
Speaker 16: or even a guy in a Navy jet that dropped
2:07:44
Speaker 16: the bombs at the boat. So it would be a
2:07:46
Speaker 16: civil case alleging the undercolor of law, the government tried
2:07:53
Speaker 16: to kill them. You know, this wasn't Donald Trump with
2:07:56
Speaker 16: a personal pistol. This was the government trying to kill them.
2:08:01
Speaker 16: And then this was the government kidnapping them. This is
2:08:06
Speaker 16: basically a Bivens case, Brian. Now the court has made
2:08:10
Speaker 16: these Bivens cases. Bivens is a famous case from the
2:08:14
Speaker 16: sixties in which a person was terribly beaten up in
2:08:17
Speaker 16: their home, ransacked, and their freedom curtailed by federal agents
2:08:22
Speaker 16: who never identified themselves. I never even acknowledged that they
2:08:25
Speaker 16: work for the federal government. Bivens eventually succeeded. But these
2:08:32
Speaker 16: types of cases suing the government for using the powers
2:08:37
Speaker 16: of the law illegally to harm a person are not
2:08:41
Speaker 16: favored by the courts and are difficult to prosecute.
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Speaker 8: But this is one that ought, in.
2:08:46
Speaker 16: My view, to be aired because Congress is gutless. The
2:08:51
Speaker 16: President intimidates everybody around him, and he can't just keep
2:08:54
Speaker 16: killing people again.
2:08:57
Speaker 1: You and I are not going to argue about this.
2:08:58
Speaker 1: We have Congress from asses and Senator Ran Palmer's side anyway,
2:09:01
Speaker 1: which I think gives us street credibility. Judge Napolitan, at
2:09:04
Speaker 1: least a one of my listeners. They can feel free
2:09:06
Speaker 1: to disagree, but expedience is no justification for tossing out
2:09:10
Speaker 1: constitutional rights. I'll hang my hat on that all day.
2:09:14
Speaker 1: Log Judge Enna Politano, beautiful, insightful article you wrote it
2:09:17
Speaker 1: coming out tonight a Trumpian headache. I'm fortunate to get
2:09:20
Speaker 1: enough earlier. Who's on the show today Judging Freedom. You're honor.
2:09:24
Speaker 16: I have Aaron Monte, the Great Phil Giraldi, he is
2:09:29
Speaker 16: the XCIA agent who told George W. Bush Saddam Hussein
2:09:33
Speaker 16: does not have weapons of mass destruction and Bush threw
2:09:37
Speaker 16: them out. And the Great Professor Jeffrey Sachs Phil on Venezuela,
2:09:42
Speaker 16: Aaron on Gaza, Professor Sachs on what's Israel's next move?
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Speaker 1: welcome to the care sing show. Running for Cincinna City Council.
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Speaker 1: Guess what open voting? It's you can vote today if
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Speaker 1: you want, go to the Hamil County Board of Elections
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Speaker 1: cast to vote. It's early voting. We have until the
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Speaker 1: first Tuesday of November to get the vote cast. Don't
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Speaker 1: let it go your vote. Your vote is worth so
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Speaker 1: much in downtown Cincinnati, only twenty five maybe thirty percent
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Speaker 1: of we lucky you're going to vote, meaning you have
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Speaker 1: a lot of power in your vote and you might
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Speaker 1: want to consider Lakita Cole as a choice running as
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Speaker 1: a Charter Right candidate. Lakita Cole dot com.
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Speaker 4: L A k E t A.
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Speaker 1: Colecol dot com. Lakida Cole. It's great to have you
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Speaker 1: here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
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Speaker 6: Good morning, good morning, Good morning Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: Well, I hope people remember that you happy to do it.
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Speaker 1: You did serve as a city council member, You were
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Speaker 1: chief of staff, council aid, a state legislator, You held
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Speaker 1: senior roles within community a city administration. You obviously have
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Speaker 1: a connection of familiarity with the system, so people can't
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Speaker 1: call you inexperience. Lakita. Let's jump right to police chief
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Speaker 1: threesa Thiji. She was put on administrative leave, and I
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Speaker 1: guess according to her lawyers, no reason whatsoever was cited.
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Speaker 1: They did not cite some sort of you know, problem
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Speaker 1: with her work experience. How she It's just it's a
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Speaker 1: big mystery. And her lawyer was out yesterday saying that
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Speaker 1: she can only be dismissed for cause because she's been
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Speaker 1: an employee for more than six months, so the city
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Speaker 1: charter prevents her from being let go. But I don't
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Speaker 1: know what her status is, whether she's been fired or
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Speaker 1: merely placing your own administrative leave crosses that barrier. But
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Speaker 1: this all seems to be very politically motivated as we
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Speaker 1: fast approached the November election day. What's your take on this,
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Speaker 1: Lakita Cole.
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Speaker 6: I definitely agree with that. And it's ridiculous because just
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Speaker 6: a month ago they the city manager and the mayor
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Speaker 6: was just praising her. So you know, a month later,
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Speaker 6: you're making her escapegoat. And you know, just the way
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Speaker 6: they're doing things is just chaotic, and it just shows
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Speaker 6: you that there's no real vision down there. There's no
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Speaker 6: you know, lack, there's a lack of urgency of what
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Speaker 6: to do. And you know, you know, you can't sem
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Speaker 6: out fire her because there is violence. There's no police
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Speaker 6: chief in this country can guarantee you that there's not
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Speaker 6: going to be violent, right, you know, And and it's
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Speaker 6: just it just tells you that there's so much dysfunction
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Speaker 6: going on down there. I mean, look what they did
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Speaker 6: with the fire chief. You know they're gonna have to
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Speaker 6: back cut on that. It's just it's just totally dysfunction
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Speaker 6: and chaotics. It just shows you that this, you know,
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Speaker 6: the mayor and the city manager. It seems like they
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Speaker 6: don't know what they're doing.
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Speaker 1: I think you summed it up quite nicely. They're lakida.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is almost the mirror image of what
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Speaker 1: they did to Uh to the to the fire chief.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of his case wrongfully terminated. He's
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Speaker 1: waiting to get a big check written by the taxpayers
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Speaker 1: of the City of Cincinnati. It looks like check number
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Speaker 1: two exactly. Yeah, check number two is coming.
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Speaker 4: Our way exactly.
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Speaker 6: Exactly. What's gonna happen with the police. With the police chief,
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Speaker 6: I'm like getting together. I mean, it's it's you got
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Speaker 6: news conferences. Like I said, just last month, you were
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Speaker 6: praising her right job. So now you put on you
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Speaker 6: you call her back in, so you changed her in
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Speaker 6: front of all the police chiefs. You know, this is
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Speaker 6: just not the way you handle things now.
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Speaker 1: But the nature of the role as police chief or
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Speaker 1: fire chief, as the case maybe, has changed dramatically since
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Speaker 1: Issue five passed. No longer do the members of the
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Speaker 1: unions of the police force choose their own police chief.
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Speaker 1: It's now in the hands of two people, the mayor
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Speaker 1: and the city manager. So they have a tremendous amount
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Speaker 1: of control and sway over the job because they're in
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Speaker 1: a position to fire someone. I guess they could make
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Speaker 1: up cause, but they could get easily rid of it.
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Speaker 1: So it's been suggested I heard it from the FOP president.
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Speaker 1: I've heard it from others that she was following the
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Speaker 1: directive of aftab Purval and the city manager. So she
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Speaker 1: did what they said, and in doing what they said
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Speaker 1: in terms of law enforcement, crime became a real problem.
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Speaker 1: So by following their directive, she ends up without a job,
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Speaker 1: or at least on administrative leave. I'm not quite sure.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I smell a rat here Lakeitera Cole.
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Speaker 6: I'm in total agreements with you, quite quick. Caducts is
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Speaker 6: a duck, quite quack. And this is why it's definitely
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Speaker 6: impairedive for what you said at the beginning. We have
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Speaker 6: to change what's going on down there. Not only then,
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you, you know, we definitely need to
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Speaker 6: get a recall, a ballid initiative, a recall for the mayor,
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Speaker 6: a valid initiative. And it also shows you that this
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Speaker 6: function of what when we passed that the only person
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Speaker 6: that can bring up the city manager for firing is
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Speaker 6: the mayor. I just don't think that that's will be
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Speaker 6: the way it should go. I think there needs to
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Speaker 6: be something where maybe the supermajority can bring up the
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Speaker 6: city mayor ser.
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Speaker 2: Up as well.
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Speaker 6: But the have is in the hands of one person,
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Speaker 6: and especially when that person don't know what they're doing,
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Speaker 6: and it's obvious because look what happened, Look what's going on.
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Speaker 6: I mean, never in the history have I ever heard
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Speaker 6: you have to have eighteen thousand citizens from one neighborhood
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Speaker 6: do a go forward a ballot initiative on an issue
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Speaker 6: that you passed the council path. I'll tell you that
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Speaker 6: this council is so dysfunctional.
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Speaker 1: Lakita, I can't believe. I'm so happy you brought that up,
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Speaker 1: because I was clearly going to ask you about Hyde Park,
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Speaker 1: but also Bondhill. So I see your website and I
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Speaker 1: love the way you've outlined your platform. C l E
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Speaker 1: see Community Council reformed, the oh oppose connected communities, zoning,
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Speaker 1: one size fits all. You are not entitled to choose
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Speaker 1: your own destiny any of the fifty two neighborhoods. I
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Speaker 1: thought that was offensive. Clearly Hyde Park thought of defensive.
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Speaker 1: We don't have to get a ballot initiative on which
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Speaker 1: made have to have pur ball pull the plug on
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Speaker 1: the well connected development waiver to community to community connected communities.
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Speaker 1: Bondhill had a similar problem. I think every neighborhood should
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Speaker 1: be able to control their own destiny when it comes
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Speaker 1: to housing and development.
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Speaker 6: I totally agree. Last Friday, you know I'm the vice
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Speaker 6: president of Bondhaim Community Council. Last Friday, I spent my
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Speaker 6: Friday evenings with the community count with our community trying
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Speaker 6: to come up with some type of way that we
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Speaker 6: can work through the of the day break issue and
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Speaker 6: get a benefit of agreement or something we can actually
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Speaker 6: developer try to sell back. I mean, we should not
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Speaker 6: be having him to spend on our Friday evenings doing
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Speaker 6: this because of this city council and its administration just
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Speaker 6: will not listen. Right, They are so dysfunctional, but yet
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Speaker 6: they think they know what's going on, and they do not.
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Speaker 6: They are so disconnected. I wish I had a D
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Speaker 6: in my name so I can say disconnected.
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Speaker 1: You cracking me up, Lakita. All right, so we have
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Speaker 1: a crime problem. Obviously, I suppose if you were in charge,
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Speaker 1: would you have accepted all of the I wan underscore
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Speaker 1: this word free offer of assistance from governor to wine.
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Speaker 1: He offered Ohio State Police, Ohio State but you police
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Speaker 1: to work every day of the month, Mayor, I have
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Speaker 1: to have provo. At first only took two days and
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Speaker 1: now he's up to a total of four days. Crime
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Speaker 1: is a twenty four to seven all month long problem. Lakda,
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Speaker 1: what would you recommend her? If you were in his position,
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Speaker 1: would you have taken all the relief that the wine
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Speaker 1: was offering?
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Speaker 6: You know, no, because I'm gonna be honest with you.
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Speaker 6: I'm fearful that they would be you know, we would
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Speaker 6: be over police and they don't know our community. However,
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Speaker 6: what I would do, what I would make sure that
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Speaker 6: we have what we had before UNDERNA one of the
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Speaker 6: police sheets. We had those pockets of like community orient policing,
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Speaker 6: We had citizens on patrol, we had our community leaders
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Speaker 6: out there in those pockets where they were the crime
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Speaker 6: was very high and up and that therefore people can
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Speaker 6: pay attention what's going on. I don't believe that you
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Speaker 6: make this school also the escapegoat about what's going on
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Speaker 6: down the Frount Square. What you do is is when
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Speaker 6: I was in school, we had those Metro buses diverted
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Speaker 6: from away from downtown. In fact, what they did is
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Speaker 6: they brought the kids directly to the schools. That's what
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Speaker 6: they need, That's what needs to happen. You need to
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Speaker 6: work with the Metro and figure out a way having
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Speaker 6: those kids go directly to the schools and not in
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Speaker 6: diverted away from downtown. Never in my history of ever
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Speaker 6: sing Swat having to patrol Feutain Square, Swat patrolling Felon Square.
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Speaker 6: That is disfunctional at its highest level.
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Speaker 1: I understand, and obviously we have a growing problem with
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Speaker 1: young people in society, and I personally, look, kitty, you
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Speaker 1: can disagree with me if you want, that's fine. I
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Speaker 1: believe it's the consequence of the breakdown of the nuclear family.
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Speaker 1: I know, I don't know how you grow up. But
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Speaker 1: I had a curfew in the house, and if I
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Speaker 1: wasn't home by curfew and I didn't call ahead of
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Speaker 1: time saying I needed some extra time, I was in
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Speaker 1: for a world of hurt. My parents would be sitting
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Speaker 1: They're waiting for me to walk in the front door.
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Speaker 1: So I wasn't able to run a muck. Now if
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Speaker 1: we could, if if government could change the reality of
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Speaker 1: what's going on in any given household, fine, but you can't.
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Speaker 1: A teacher can't change the life that that child has
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Speaker 1: grown up with. As much as we wanted, they're overwhelmed
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Speaker 1: with a challenge. So I know you've you've got a
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Speaker 1: like reaching out ideas about listening to parents and talking
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Speaker 1: directly with youth. How come might we use that concept
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Speaker 1: to change what's going on with our young people?
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Speaker 6: Lakita Sure, yeah, So I have been out there talking
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Speaker 6: with the young people. I spend some time of the AGA,
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Speaker 6: and I spend some time with Woodward, and many of
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Speaker 6: those kids are saying they really just want an opportunity
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Speaker 6: more than just fast foods. And they also want a
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Speaker 6: place to go our recreation center. Because I said, well,
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Speaker 6: what about our recreation centers? They don't feel like they're
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Speaker 6: inviting and the opening to them. Many of them say
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Speaker 6: that they go in, they can't come back out. They
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Speaker 6: go in and they leave, they can't come back. If
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Speaker 6: they go to get something to eat, they can't come
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Speaker 6: back in. It's just not an open and welcoming environment
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Speaker 6: for them. So we have to make sure that if
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Speaker 6: we have these recreation centers in our communities, they open
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Speaker 6: to them to have somewhere for them to go. You're
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Speaker 6: absolutely right. We can't police somebody inside their home. But
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Speaker 6: we can't do is demand some opportunities for these young people.
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Speaker 6: But demand, for example, you have the trades, you have apprenticeships.
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Speaker 6: These young kids are looking for an opportunity. They don't
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Speaker 6: want to just hang out. They don't want to just
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Speaker 6: have a fast food restaurant. They want more. They want
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Speaker 6: a career path, and that's what we need to have.
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Speaker 6: We need to bring back as I keep say CCY
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Speaker 6: and bring it in house, yes, and not have it
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Speaker 6: outside house. To have it in house well, we actually
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Speaker 6: can control of the milestones and making sure that it's
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Speaker 6: doing what it's supposed to do and if not, then
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Speaker 6: we change courses.
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Speaker 1: Trades are a great option for literally anybody. You can
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Speaker 1: earn what you learn, and artificial intelligence cannot take away
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Speaker 1: a plumber's employment or electricians for that. For that example,
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Speaker 1: see Community council Reform, OH appose Connected Communities, zoning, l
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Speaker 1: listen to citizens in youth, e expand council transparency. Lakitacole
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Speaker 1: dot com. Read about her platform, learn about her and
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Speaker 1: it's open voting. You can go ahead and vote for Lakita.
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Speaker 1: If you like Lakida, best of luck, vote for Cole.
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Speaker 1: Go to the polls, vote for col I.
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Speaker 7: Love it.
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Speaker 1: Very nice conversation, say.
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Speaker 6: Vote look, look both smarter, vote for Charter.
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Speaker 1: There you go, and you got Steve good in the
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Speaker 1: midst too. We're all big fans of Steve Gooden as well.
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Speaker 1: Good luck Lakda, best of luck if you get elected,
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Speaker 1: bring about some post that have changed for the city
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Speaker 1: that we all love.
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Speaker 6: I will thank you, thank you.
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