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Astros miss Yordan Álvarez injury, Braves awaiting AJSS surgery, Dodgers arm injury dilemma · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Come on, expensive, You just dont get expensive on the
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  Speaker 1: Houston Astros.
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  Speaker 2: All right, injuries suck, you know the deal. But Will
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  Speaker 2: Carol is here as the injury expert to help us
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  Speaker 2: sort through everything. Make sure you check out his substack
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  Speaker 2: under the knife. The info gets much more in depth there.
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  Speaker 2: But let's hit the surface here. Will, good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: It was an injury filled weekend. I'm gonna start with
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  Speaker 2: the biggest head scratcher for me personally. Can you walk
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  Speaker 2: me through the Jordan Albarez situation? They had him hitting
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  Speaker 2: and swinging and getting ready for potentially playing in games
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  Speaker 2: this past weekend, and then we learn that there's actually
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  Speaker 2: an undiscovered injury. It sounds like via cat scan, which
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  Speaker 2: they hadn't initially done, and he's got a small fracture
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  Speaker 2: on his right hand. It's on his ring finger, right.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't catch anything on an X ray on an MRI.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me what your thoughts are on this injury
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  Speaker 2: and if the Astros might have cost themselves a potential
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  Speaker 2: playoff spot by holding back their superstar further, since I
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  Speaker 2: think that he hurt himself a little bit more by
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  Speaker 2: starting to rehab.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have any information on whether it held
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  Speaker 3: him back, whether there was any re injury. But we
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  Speaker 3: do see this more often than you think. Travisachek did
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  Speaker 3: a great article last year that I helped him with
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  Speaker 3: where he was walked through the whole X ray and
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  Speaker 3: MRI process. It's not, as you know, dead on as
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  Speaker 3: you think. It is the best possible technology we have,
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  Speaker 3: at least until the nanoscopes come pretty soon. But sometimes
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  Speaker 3: the inflammation, the fluid around the fracture will miss it
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  Speaker 3: on the X ray. You see it the doctors, the
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  Speaker 3: radiologists saying, hey, this is clean. Let's just wait for
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  Speaker 3: it to heal up a little bit, wait for this
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  Speaker 3: to go down, and then you know, you do a
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  Speaker 3: cat scan and there it is. It's unfortunate, but it
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  Speaker 3: does happen. So just an unfortunate situation for Alvarez and
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  Speaker 3: for the astros.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how often do you think this happened? Because I
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  Speaker 4: had this happen to me. I mean, granted, this was
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  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven. I was in Hawaii playing and I
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  Speaker 4: got hit by a foul ball. I broke my I
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  Speaker 4: broke my I broke my this phone whatever this phone
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  Speaker 4: is there, And all I did was they I went
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  Speaker 4: in It was great for me because I got three
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  Speaker 4: weeks off in Hawaii and I didn't have to play
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  Speaker 4: and I just got to go to the beach every day.
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  Speaker 4: So listen, there are worst places to be on the
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  Speaker 4: IL or DL back then in Honolul, Hawaii.
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  Speaker 5: But how often does this happen?
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  Speaker 4: Because what happened to me is they did X rays
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, I can't, I can't swing, I
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  Speaker 4: can't because it hurts, like oh, it's just inflame. And
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  Speaker 4: then they did a bone scan and then they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: there is a crack, and I wonder you couldn't play right?
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  Speaker 4: So why don't we just do all the tests right away?
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know what are we waiting for? Like
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  Speaker 4: it's it's not like they you know they're doing something.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like bone skin on your hand or a
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  Speaker 4: cat skin on your hand is that big of a deal.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you literally sit there and they do the
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  Speaker 4: MRI and you're done. Like, I don't understand why we
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  Speaker 4: just don't do this right away.
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  Speaker 3: It's expensive, that's the one thing. You've got to schedule it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the it's tough free X rays right there,
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  Speaker 3: they're in every.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, will come on, Come on, they're expensive. They're expensed.
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  Speaker 1: You just dumped it expensive on the Houston Astros. They're expensive,
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  Speaker 1: expensive play or but this is the penny foolish set.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, you have to schedule it. They're
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  Speaker 1: the Houston Astros.
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  Speaker 4: Jim Crane picks up the phone and calls Houston Baptist
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  Speaker 4: toss or whatever, and.
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  Speaker 5: Then get him right in.
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  Speaker 4: Trust three, I had an MRI s and cat scans.
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  Speaker 4: You don't wait, you go right in and the play
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  Speaker 4: right complete.
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  Speaker 3: These are the excuses the medical staffs will make.
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  Speaker 2: But will if they missed the playoffs. I mean, I'd
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  Speaker 2: rather pay for the Cats games. Hey, if it's at
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  Speaker 2: the end of it, maybe we cat. Jord On Alvarez
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  Speaker 2: is the superstar. I'm like, how do is this? I
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  Speaker 2: would see t scan him as much as possible to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that he is freaking perfect.
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  Speaker 3: You know that's something I always member about. Would you
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  Speaker 3: do more stands? Just regularly? Players do resist set. Here's
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  Speaker 3: the other thing, and this one is one that drives
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  Speaker 3: me crazy. We've seen this all over the place. Why
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  Speaker 3: are players getting hit on the hand at all? Padded
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  Speaker 3: gloves exist? Joeyo Tani wears it so oh, Tony can
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  Speaker 3: wear it? Why can't everybody wear it? If you were
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  Speaker 3: playing today, would you be wearing it?
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  Speaker 5: I wore everything I could. Listen, Bryce Harper wear an
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  Speaker 5: elbow guard.
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  Speaker 4: Bryce Harper, where you had a surgically repaired elbow, let's
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  Speaker 4: put an elbow guard up.
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  Speaker 5: I wore an elbow guard my whole career. They're comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: There's a million different kinds I wear. I tell my
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  Speaker 5: kid all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Sea flat would have been a thing now, Like I
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  Speaker 4: think it should be mandatory you have to wear a
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  Speaker 4: sea flap.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I think pitchers complain pictures complain.
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  Speaker 4: About you know, armor and this and that, but like
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  Speaker 4: they protect guys and help them play, like there should
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  Speaker 4: be you should wear a hand My kid wears a handguard.
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  Speaker 4: I would never wear a shin guard because I didn't
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  Speaker 4: found a lot of balls off my ship.
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  Speaker 5: But if I did, I would out a shin guard on.
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  Speaker 5: But I wore an elbow.
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  Speaker 4: Guard because I got hit in the arm and I
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  Speaker 4: threw right handed, so I couldn't afford to get hit
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  Speaker 4: and not be able to throw.
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  Speaker 5: Like, yes, we are the armors, guys.
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  Speaker 3: If I were a player, I'd be wearing an iron
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  Speaker 3: Man suit out there if I could.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I was the guy and I was the
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  Speaker 6: player that didn't wear a lot of stuff behind sight
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  Speaker 6: twenty twenty. I'm like you, J, looking back, I would
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  Speaker 6: have had the back back then it would Bagwells. The
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  Speaker 6: first would have had the match box. I would have
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  Speaker 6: had the match box. I would have had the elbow guard.
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  Speaker 6: I always said I would have had this. I didn't
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  Speaker 6: foile a lout of balls on my foot either. I
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  Speaker 6: would have did it anyway, just in case, just to
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  Speaker 6: be safe. Safe and sorry, But I want to stay
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  Speaker 6: stay on the injuries. Want to talk about A. J.
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  Speaker 6: Smith Sharver, how good he's been. But what's the hold
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  Speaker 6: up there right or are they still trying to get
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  Speaker 6: more opinions before they decide on surgery.
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  Speaker 5: What do you have for us there?
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  Speaker 6: Because you know he was big for the Braves right now,
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  Speaker 6: or have been big for the Braves this season.
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  Speaker 3: He was, and this is just another one of the
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  Speaker 3: injuries that we're seeing. It was a little odd because
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  Speaker 3: you know he was pitching well, he got hit by
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  Speaker 3: that comebacker and then one bat or later, if he's
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  Speaker 3: out and we're told that the elbow's gone, this does happen.
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  Speaker 3: I watched the game back and he was kind of
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  Speaker 3: shaking his arms, so there were some signs that something
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  Speaker 3: wasn't right, but he was still pitching pretty well, ticked
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  Speaker 3: down on velocity, not spending it quite as much. But
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  Speaker 3: if he's getting more opinions, these are usually just confirmations
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  Speaker 3: and trying out the surgeons. Are you more comfortable with
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  Speaker 3: doctor Elatrosh or Doctor Meister or doctor Crencheck than you
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  Speaker 3: are with your team doctor. Does your team doctor do
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  Speaker 3: enough Tommy John's that you're comfortable with that? So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna hear fairly soon that he's having any elbow reconstruction.
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  Speaker 3: Let's remember it isn't just plain old Tommy John anymore.
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  Speaker 3: We've got internal brace, we got hybrids, we've got T
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  Speaker 3: three that Chris Amad does, which which is even more complex,
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  Speaker 5: I want to ask you too.
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  Speaker 6: You said something that kind of made me remember how
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  Speaker 6: to pass INSI this weekend, I have a younger group
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  Speaker 6: of young men seventeen year old class of twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 6: and I had a kid throwing a bullpen and in
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  Speaker 6: his bullpen he kind of after every pitch kind of
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  Speaker 6: kept shaking his arm. And you said that about a J.
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  Speaker 6: Smith Sharver, And I know a lot of people are different.
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  Speaker 6: But in your research in in all the injury, you
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  Speaker 6: know coverage that you have done it. You know, if
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  Speaker 6: you're a coach, if you're a dad, is there any
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  Speaker 6: type of advice when you see a young arm you
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  Speaker 6: know kind of going to that shaking it out?
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  Speaker 5: Should you?
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  Speaker 3: How should you know? Parents?
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  Speaker 6: Coaches address that? Because I think it's important because I
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  Speaker 6: had a situation this weekend where I saw it.
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  Speaker 3: The kid.
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  Speaker 6: You know, they're gonna tell you they feel good, but
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  Speaker 6: sometimes you got to protect them from themselves. How do
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  Speaker 6: you how would you give advice on approaching that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly what you said. You go up when
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  Speaker 3: you see something that's unusual, that's potentially showing you a sign.
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  Speaker 3: You know the players. There are some guys that go
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  Speaker 3: through routines that shake it out, to stretch and do
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  Speaker 3: all sorts of other things. But if you know that
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  Speaker 3: young man and you see this as unusual, get him
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  Speaker 3: out of there. We see far, far too many of
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  Speaker 3: these young players heading for Tommy John. We've seen collegiate
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  Speaker 3: players that's exploding. We've seen guys as young as twelve
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  Speaker 3: and thirteen having their first surgery, which is why we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing seconds even third surgeries if they make it that far.
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  Speaker 3: I get it. This is the time of year where
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  Speaker 3: we always get one of those high school you know,
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  Speaker 3: somebody threw one hundred and fifty pitches in a game.
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  Speaker 3: It's the end of the season. That kid's probably never
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  Speaker 3: going to pitch again. They're trying to go for a
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  Speaker 3: state championship. So I get it in some of those situations,
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  Speaker 3: but other ones. I can remember Lance Lynn was here
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  Speaker 3: in Indianapolis, out in the suburbs. He was on a
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  Speaker 3: great team and he went to like one and forty
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  Speaker 3: five hundred and fifty pitches, and I said, how risky
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  Speaker 3: this was. You know, he went on to have pretty
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  Speaker 3: good career. He also went on to have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of elbow problems, and I wonder, you know, was that
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  Speaker 3: part of it. It's not like you get the lung
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  Speaker 3: cancer the first time to light up, but it does
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  Speaker 3: take a toll.
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  Speaker 4: What about Corbyn Burns? What are we thinking on Carvin Burns?
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  Speaker 4: When you see a guy like co has been as
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  Speaker 4: durable as they come. Look at the trainer and just says,
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  Speaker 4: my EBow something something. How bad is this and what
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  Speaker 4: do we How long will it take for the imaging
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  Speaker 4: to get back and for them to make a decision
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  Speaker 4: on what's next.
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  Speaker 3: You said it earlier. You know he's probably in there now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what time that place opened, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure the Diamondbacks had him in there. To me,
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  Speaker 3: what it showed is that they have a lot of trust.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's new there, they're not used to his routines,
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  Speaker 3: and probably you know figured it out by now. But
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  Speaker 3: to be able to trust that medical staff you work
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  Speaker 3: with some of the best of them. Aja. If you
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  Speaker 3: trust that medical staff, if you know they've got your
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  Speaker 3: best interest at heart, then you know you can say early,
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  Speaker 3: hey I'm feeling a little bit sore. Hey, this doesn't
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  Speaker 3: feel right. Let's get this checked and maybe they caught
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  Speaker 3: it early. Let's hope so, because Corbin Murgs is one
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  Speaker 3: heck of a picture at the Diamondbacks.
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  Speaker 2: Shir Needin, Hey, well, I'll take us to more of
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  Speaker 2: your classic Tommy John situation for Evan Phillips. But of
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  Speaker 2: course the bigger picture is the just crazy run of
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  Speaker 2: arm injuries for the Dodgers. They've spoken about it, they
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  Speaker 2: talked about how they wanted to review their processes in
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  Speaker 2: the off season.
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  Speaker 5: It's still a thing.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you think of this recent news and
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  Speaker 2: again the injury run. Do you think that there's anything
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  Speaker 2: that can actually be done or do you think this
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  Speaker 2: has more to do with the type of pitching profile
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  Speaker 2: that they go after.
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  Speaker 3: Both. Yeah, they've got so much depths right now. It's
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  Speaker 3: kind of amazing that they still have pictures after all
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  Speaker 3: these injuries that they still have bullpen arms seemingly coming
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  Speaker 3: out of their ears. But they do have to reduce this.
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  Speaker 3: They do have risky pictures. They brought into Saki knowing
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  Speaker 3: the kind of problems that he's had with pant They
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  Speaker 3: brought in Phillips knowing the kind of problems that he'd
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  Speaker 3: had in the past, or Copeck. So you get these
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  Speaker 3: kind of guys, you're basically buying these problems for your
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  Speaker 3: medical staff. On the other hand, the sheer number of
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  Speaker 3: injuries anyth't than just the Dodgers. I'm not knocking them,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, we've gotten nearly twenty five percent. I think
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  Speaker 3: the number was twenty four point six percent of all
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  Speaker 3: players on the IL Right, now, that's crazy. They're burning
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  Speaker 3: a billion dollars a year on just the injured list.
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  Speaker 3: If the people that own the teams had that kind
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  Speaker 3: of loss and even of their other businesses, boy, you
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  Speaker 3: bet they'd be in there and firing people and making
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  Speaker 3: sure this didn't happen again. And in baseball they shrug
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  Speaker 3: and they say, call up the next kid.
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  Speaker 4: The Dodgers speaking of calling up the next kind, I
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  Speaker 4: don't if they cover for this one, the Mookie Bets injury.
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  Speaker 4: Is this is this an all time funny?
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  Speaker 7: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Is this not funny?
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  Speaker 3: It's not funny.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny because you know how it happened, but it's
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  Speaker 4: not funny that anyone gets hurt.
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  Speaker 5: But is this like it is this on the all
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  Speaker 5: time like the guy who.
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  Speaker 4: Lifted up his suitcase and got hurt, or you know,
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  Speaker 4: was it Freddy Freeman fell in the shower. Freddie Freeman
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  Speaker 4: fell in the shower and hurt himself. I mean, is
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  Speaker 4: this is this gonna be one of those injuries I
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  Speaker 4: look back on and say, Moovie Bets broke his toe
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  Speaker 4: because he didn't have a light on to go to
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  Speaker 4: the bathroom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think MOOKI can't afford a nightlight or
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  Speaker 3: one of those motion activated Yeah, this is just unfortunately
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  Speaker 3: we've all done this. Nothing you can do for that toe.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you buddy tape it, you put a shanking shoe,
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  Speaker 3: but it hurts and it eventually heals bones. Feel But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know you think of smokes, you know, ironing the
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  Speaker 3: shirt with it on, or I remember Ojis Nixon he
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  Speaker 3: hurt himself falling out of beds and he was dreaming
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  Speaker 3: about spiders. But yeah, business just one of those things
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  Speaker 3: that you forget. A guy like Mookie bets it's human
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  Speaker 3: and stubs his toe like the rest of us.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, fact checked really quick.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Sanchez hurt his finger when a suitcase caught it.
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  Speaker 3: Also true.
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  Speaker 2: That was in twenty eighteen and twenty twelve. Former catcher
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Lucroy was reaching for a sock and a suitcase
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  Speaker 2: fell on his hand, resulting in a fractured metacarpal in
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  Speaker 2: a stint on the eyele.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if that Smolt stories is true, but
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  Speaker 4: I know lou Ford, who I played with, did iron
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  Speaker 4: his shirt on and burns himself and I know that's
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  Speaker 4: true because he told me. Wow, I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: the smold started through, but I know it happened to
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  Speaker 4: Loo Forward.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds like a dare Wild night out. But hey,
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  Speaker 2: can you iron your shirt with it on?
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  Speaker 5: Anyway?
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  Speaker 3: Cam? Last one?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, last one for me. Listen, a guy who would
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  Speaker 6: think we are all rooting for he is back, kind
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  Speaker 6: of back. What are the plans for Mike troll as
• 14:19
  Speaker 6: far as he goes trying.
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  Speaker 3: To acclimate himself back into that angle's line up? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this will be interesting. Can they keep him at DH? Well? Absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: He's Mike Trout. You need him in the lineup as
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  Speaker 3: much as possible. He was hitting fairly well from the
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  Speaker 3: power numbers. He was looking like he was moving pretty
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  Speaker 3: well until he wasn't. But this knee is not going
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  Speaker 3: to get better. This is a situation. The one that
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  Speaker 3: I keep coming back to is Dwayne Wade at the
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  Speaker 3: end of his career, where he had had the miniscus
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  Speaker 3: removed way back when he was in college, and eventually
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: it just wore down. Those bones are grinding on each other.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: It's not it doesn't have the same cushion. You can
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: drive a car without shock absorbers but you're going to
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: feel it, and that's what he's getting now, is that
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: bone on bone. They're going to have to figure out
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: how to keep him comfortable, how to keep the swelling down,
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: how to keep it from bruising again. But it's going
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: to bruise again. So the question is how much he
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: swings out of it. How much longer do you have
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: all his career he was compared to Mickey Mantle. This
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: is not the part of that comparison.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: He wanted, Oh if only a show all off season,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: said that they should probably leave d H open for
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: him since that felt like the best spot, But then
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: they acquired Jorge Solaire, who is a streaky player but
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: right now in a below average bat in the first
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: couple of months of the season. Anyway, we'll have to
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: look and see what show did that.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you very very much for the time. Appreciate it.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Great to catch up. Obviously wish there was better news,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: but we do hit the bat phone when we need you.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks mam, Thanks Thanks all guys.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: At make sure you check out Will's substack which I
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. It's called under the knife type. It int