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ZONE 7 : The Photo, the Killer, and the Woman Who Got Away - Georgia Durante | · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Zone seven welcomes back Georgia Duranti. Y'all remember Georgia. She's
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  Speaker 1: the former real man of the Mob, former model, and
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  Speaker 1: former stunt car driver for TV in the movies. She
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  Speaker 1: has had a fascinating life. But tonight she joins us
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: with an unbelievable story, an addition to her life that
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: you are not gonna believe, y'all. It ain't like her
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: life wasn't already interested, Okay, Georgia had to go and
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: make it even more just shocking. So you know, when
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: there's a new true crime documentary and you plan your
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: whole evening around it. You get your snacks ready, you
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: put your phone on you, you snuggle up with your dog.
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  Speaker 1: You tell your friends and family that, hey, we're going
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: to be in a group chat. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this new documentary. That's what Georgia was doing, just
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: relaxing watching a serial killer show like we all do. Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: tell them what happened?
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  Speaker 2: Well, got my Jammy's on, got all ready to watch
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  Speaker 2: a good crime show.
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  Speaker 3: It was called.
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  Speaker 2: Death Row Confidential Secrets of a Serial Killer. I had
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  Speaker 2: taped it the week before so I wouldn't miss it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So Anyway, I get in bed, turn the TV.
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  Speaker 2: On after a long day, and they're showing how this
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  Speaker 2: serial killer had killed twenty six women and they were
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out I guess he had a cellmate
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: or a guy that used to meet him for lunch
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  Speaker 2: in the yard every day, and he started telling him
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  Speaker 2: about all the murders that he committed. And this guy
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  Speaker 2: took took notes, and as soon as he got back
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  Speaker 2: to his cell he wrote down everything that he said.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't miss anything. After ten years of taking these notes,
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  Speaker 2: he gets a hold of the cold case detective and
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  Speaker 2: turns the notes over to him so he can try
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  Speaker 2: to match these victims up to you know, who they
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  Speaker 2: knew was missing, right, So all of a sudden they
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  Speaker 2: pull this picture out of the ground that the serial
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  Speaker 2: killer had buried and it was my picture, and they
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  Speaker 2: thought I was a victim and they were trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out which victim I was.
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  Speaker 1: Now, George, hold on, hold on, I'm just telling you
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  Speaker 1: that's one of those things, like the call is coming
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  Speaker 1: from inside the house. I mean, you are at home
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  Speaker 1: in the band lights are out, snuddled in and you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at your own photograph.
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  Speaker 3: It was, and the thing was is that he was?
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  Speaker 2: This guy was He was a photographer whose name was
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Nasso. He hired me fifty years ago and he
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  Speaker 2: had me out in the woods and he took this
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  Speaker 2: picture and blew it up to an eleven by fourteen
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  Speaker 2: and he buried. It's the only picture he buried. And
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  Speaker 2: now I'm thinking, why didn't he kill me? He had
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  Speaker 2: me in the woods, you know, the only thing I
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  Speaker 2: could think of. He kind of chose women that were
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  Speaker 2: prostitutes and drug addicts and you know, women that wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily be missed. And at that time, I was the
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  Speaker 2: Kodak girl. I was on TV every day. I was
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  Speaker 2: like in the newspapers, you know, doing ads, and so
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  Speaker 2: maybe I was too. Maybe by killing me would bring
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  Speaker 2: more attention to him.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, that would definitely have happened. Yes, no question. Now
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you, do you remember this photo shoot.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember the shoot, but I remember the outfit
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  Speaker 2: and I remember him. I remember his face. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I could I could see having a conversation with him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's that that familiar. Yeah, But I don't
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  Speaker 2: actually remember the actual shoot or why we were shooting anything,
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  Speaker 2: because he wasn't a Kodak photographer. He wasn't one of
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  Speaker 2: the photographers you know that were you know, there were
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  Speaker 2: always there that you always worked for, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: another reason could be Rochester Institute of Technology where it
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  Speaker 2: was a photograph school. Sometimes the students would call because
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  Speaker 2: they want to build up their portfolio and I would
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  Speaker 2: model for them. Could have been that, or I had
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  Speaker 2: I had a nightclub with my husband at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and he could have come in there. I could have
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  Speaker 2: met him there, and that would be another reason why
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  Speaker 2: he wouldn't do anything. Because my husband was a mob guy.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: He knew that he's taking his life in his own hands,
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  Speaker 2: that's right.
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  Speaker 1: So you do remember though, because I've seen the photographs,
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  Speaker 1: and the photographs are beautiful. You're clearly in the woods,
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  Speaker 1: like remotely, and you know you didn't really know this person.
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  Speaker 1: How crazy is it that you're the only photograph he capp.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's driving me crazy, it really is. Now. This
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  Speaker 2: was on the Oxygen Channel. Dick Wolf's production company did this,
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  Speaker 2: and there they're asking me, if you know, if I
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  Speaker 2: would like to do a follow up, they will do
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  Speaker 2: another episode talking about just what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, And I said to them, I want to
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  Speaker 2: I want to go into the prison. I want to
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  Speaker 2: see this guy face to face, and I want to
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  Speaker 2: ask him why he didn't kill me right on, because
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  Speaker 2: I got to know, I really got I'm gonna I'm for.
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  Speaker 3: The rest of my life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna wonder you know that's right. Yeah, No, I
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  Speaker 1: think you absolutely need to meet with him.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what I thought, because you know, I
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  Speaker 2: read a little bit about him and he's he's got
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  Speaker 2: a pretty big ego. So the first thing I would
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  Speaker 2: say when I walk in is, hey, Joe, remember me.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. And you know he kept diaries, so there
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  Speaker 1: could be some information about you that maybe hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: released yet that's in those diaries.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's see, this is another thing that they're discovering
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  Speaker 2: by the diaries. At that time. Back in like the
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  Speaker 2: seventy two seventy three, we had a serial killer in
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  Speaker 2: Rochester and this guy was killing women with the same
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  Speaker 2: initials Darlene Drennan, Carol Comer. You know, they had the
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  Speaker 2: same first and last initials. They dubbed him the alphabet killer.
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  Speaker 2: But they never caught him. Now, they always suspected him
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  Speaker 2: but they never had proof that it was him.
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  Speaker 3: Then he moved to.
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  Speaker 2: California's where he did all the rest of the murders,
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  Speaker 2: a couple in Las Vegas too. So anyway, now with
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  Speaker 2: the guy's notes, he is he's talking about different things
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  Speaker 2: that he did in Rochester where he picked up these
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  Speaker 2: girls and everything. So now you know they're doing all
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  Speaker 2: they're opening up that whole case again back in.
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  Speaker 1: Rochester, absolutely, because he did live there at the time.
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and you know, just in case everybody
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  Speaker 1: is not completely clear that he did in fact take
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  Speaker 1: pictures of you. I do want to mention not only
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  Speaker 1: did he have this photograph that he took the time
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  Speaker 1: to put in some kind of encasement like a jar
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  Speaker 1: that he buried, which has taken even more time to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that he, you know, would know where this was.
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  Speaker 1: Decades later, he had the negatives from the photo shoot.
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  Speaker 2: He had pictures of hundreds of girls, but mine was
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  Speaker 2: the only one that he blew up and buried.
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  Speaker 1: Your photo shoot happened between nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy one,
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  Speaker 1: somewhere in that period of time, or seventy two or
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  Speaker 1: seventy two, okay, and you know, if you do get
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  Speaker 1: to meet with him, if he will meet with you,
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  Speaker 1: he may remember. It may shock you how much he
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  Speaker 1: remembers about you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to just bring like a small
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  Speaker 2: photograph of what he buried if he didn't remember, and
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  Speaker 2: show it to him, and that would spark his memory
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  Speaker 2: for sure. But also, you know, because he's got such
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  Speaker 2: a large ego, I was gonna. I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: may have just charmed him. I don't know. Maybe I was.
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  Speaker 2: I killed him with kindness or something. But I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: say to him, if I do have the opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: meet him, I'm when I said, you know, Joe, you're
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  Speaker 2: ninety two years old. He said, you're going to die soon.
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  Speaker 2: He said, don't you want to go out on top?
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  Speaker 2: I mean Ted Bundy killed thirty six women, Gaysey killed
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you want to like add him up a little bit?
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  Speaker 1: And let's fence to me, Joe the Rochester, the Rochester murders.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, I there, you know used to No.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's valid, But you know what it could be.
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  Speaker 1: It could be you were the most famous person he
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  Speaker 1: ever photographed. I mean, you were super famous. You did Kodat,
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  Speaker 1: But you also did Virginia Slim, you did other commercials
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  Speaker 1: that were huge in the seventies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the biggest thing in the seventies was the
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  Speaker 2: life size cutout of the Summer the Summer Girl poster
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  Speaker 2: that was in all the camera stores and drug stores
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  Speaker 2: all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean you had to be the most
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  Speaker 1: famous person he ever took a picture of.
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  Speaker 3: No, maybe, I don't know. He had a lot of
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  Speaker 3: pictures there.
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  Speaker 1: But was anybody else somebody you knew? Was anybody else
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  Speaker 1: of major That's what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: No, he used to put ads in the paper in
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  Speaker 2: California for models, and people would answer the ads, and
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  Speaker 2: that's how he got most of the girls. But what
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  Speaker 2: I just I'm still flabbergasted.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even you don't know what you got to
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  Speaker 3: You've got to think you're a victim.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's horrible. It's horrible. And to me it would
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  Speaker 1: be a little I don't know, it would freak me
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  Speaker 1: out to think this guy had a picture of me
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  Speaker 1: that he blew up and he buried, and lord knows
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  Speaker 1: what else he kept. I mean, he kept the negatives,
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, maybe he had other pictures that he
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  Speaker 1: carried in his wallet. Who knows what he did.
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  Speaker 2: What I did was I tried. I tried to find
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  Speaker 2: that cold case detective and I figured out what his
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  Speaker 2: name was, and I googled him and I found his
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  Speaker 2: website and I emailed him and I said, the woman
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  Speaker 2: that you think is a victim from Mount Tam is me.
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  Speaker 2: I said, that is me. That is not who you
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  Speaker 2: think it is. Because what they did with they did
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  Speaker 2: a facial recognition and they came up with this other
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  Speaker 2: girl who didn't look anything like that picture, right, And
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  Speaker 2: so I said, your facial recognition is not working. That
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  Speaker 2: is not that girl.
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  Speaker 3: But he said.
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  Speaker 2: The next episode that they aired last Saturday was they
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  Speaker 2: showed that picture to the mother of that victim and
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  Speaker 2: she said that was not her daughter. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: but it's still a mystery. They haven't answered the question
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  Speaker 2: of who this woman is. So if they do this
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  Speaker 2: other series, they've got to get the green light from
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  Speaker 2: Oxygen to go ahead and do it, then they'll be
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  Speaker 2: able to explain about that picture.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you're right. His other victims were sex workers.
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  Speaker 1: They were strangled, and they were dumped in rural areas
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  Speaker 1: the same type of area he photographed you.
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  Speaker 2: In another interest thing was somebody sent me an article
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  Speaker 2: of one of the girls that he didn't kill. He
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  Speaker 2: was photographing her, and she actually testified in his trial.
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  Speaker 2: But when he was photographing her, she said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he started out very nice and pleasant, and then he
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  Speaker 2: had a pair of socks with a hole in it
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  Speaker 2: and wanted me to wear. And when I refused to
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  Speaker 2: wear him, that's when he got like a little aggressive
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  Speaker 2: and his whole tone changed. And I guess they were
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  Speaker 2: filming in her apartment, and so she made him some
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  Speaker 2: homemade chicken soup. She said, he loved that soup. He
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  Speaker 2: was so happy to have that soup. And she said,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was the chicken soup that saved my life.
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  Speaker 2: And then that I thought, huh, I actually and I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't remember what photographer it was, but he had a
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  Speaker 2: studio set up in his apartment and we did a
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  Speaker 2: shoot and when we were done shooting, he was making
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  Speaker 2: this potato recipe and he taught me how to make it.
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  Speaker 2: And every time I make it, I always think of
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  Speaker 2: this guy. But I can't remember who it was, but
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  Speaker 2: that could have been him, That could have been Maybe
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  Speaker 2: she gave him chicken soup.
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  Speaker 3: I gave him chicken soup for the soul. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the good thing is if he is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the alphabet killer, your initials didn't match. You didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the same first and last initials. That might have helped too,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, when he's confessing to these twenty six women,
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  Speaker 1: even in his diary, there's ten women that are unnamed,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's got these photographs that are horrible that
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to match up to see who are these victims?
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  Speaker 1: Can we put a name to any of the faces?
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  Speaker 3: Right? And that was the ten that he said were
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  Speaker 3: his top ten.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't just the ten.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. Well, listen, you know, you and
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  Speaker 1: I can sit here and talk all night about why
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  Speaker 1: we think he did what he did, but I would
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  Speaker 1: be putting a lot of my experience in education and
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I'd be guessing. But I did reach out to my buddy,
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  Speaker 1: Julia Cally. Julia is a retired FBI profiler, and she
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: has a podcast called The Consult and it's a group
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: of friends and they're all FBI trained profilers, and they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna look at this for you to give you a
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  Speaker 1: solid answer.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that'd be great, won't that be wonderful?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me tell you she's so smart. Oh
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: my gosh, when I tell you, she's one of the
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: smartest people I've ever worked on a case with. She's
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  Speaker 1: got information and insight like nobody else. And hopefully she
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  Speaker 1: can put a little bit of your trepidation to rest.
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  Speaker 1: She can maybe tell you that he was in love
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  Speaker 1: with you, didn't want to kill you. Who knows, But
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: we're going to let her take it from here. But
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I think you and I we need to
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: get in the truck and drive up to the prison. Yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I think you walking in there. I think it would
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  Speaker 1: do you a lot of good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, they said they can't bring the cameras in there,
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  Speaker 2: and if we did, he wouldn't talk. If it was
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: just me one on one with him, he may open up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it needs to be just you, not for TV.
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  Speaker 1: I think it needs to be for you, only you,
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  Speaker 1: by you. Is there anything else they have told you
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  Speaker 1: about him that made you have a memory, made you think, hey,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, is where he took me in the
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  Speaker 1: woods where he dropped a body? Or did he get
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you to drive your own car and meeting there. Did
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: he pick you up and take you? How did that
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: happen or do you just not remember at all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember at all, but I would usually I
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  Speaker 2: would usually, you know, meet them at the location whatever,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: But I think what I'm holding there is.
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  Speaker 2: Cornstalks, like like the end of the season, you know
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  Speaker 2: how they just that's what it looks like to me.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like cornstalks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the pictures are gorgeous. I'm going to tell you that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thanks, honey, But I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean there's something kind of freaky about it now, Yes, Well,
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  Speaker 1: when you were doing all the work with Kodak and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: all the other things you were doing in the TV
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  Speaker 1: and the movies. I guess for me, there's such a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I have to go back in my head and again
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Julia, you know, do her thing. But
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine if in fact, you were the most
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: famous person that he ever dealt with and privately got to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, have you in a photo shoot and kept
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  Speaker 1: those negatives and you know, took it a step further
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  Speaker 1: to me, maybe hopefully you were more like the unattainable.
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  Speaker 1: You were married, You were married to a mobster. So
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna be able to get to you anyway.
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  Speaker 1: You weren't going to leave your husband for him. It
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't like he could really stand a shot with you.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe it just stayed in this. You know, she was,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the one I chased. She's the one I
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: fantasized about but was never going to hurt you, the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: one that got away, the one that got away. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean straight up. I mean that to me is
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  Speaker 1: what it almost sounds like.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Now you sent an email and the detective did call
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  Speaker 1: you back.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and he was like just flabber gusted. He said,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, He says, you have no idea how
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: many nights I've been up trying to feigure out who
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you were. He said, I am so thankful you're still living.
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  Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. And you know, this is a good
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  Speaker 1: lesson for people. When you're doing a show or you're
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: working a cold case, you don't ever know who you
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: might freak out or upset, you know, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a good lesson I think for all of us,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: just to say, hey, do you know this person? Instead
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of putting it you know, hey, we think she's dead,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you know it could have been a little gentler. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Well it was so bizarre.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But you know what all of my friends say, only.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: You, only you, Only you. Yep, only you, because I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you. Even when I first heard your story the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you know, years and years ago, I'm like, man, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fourteen year old me was so jealous if I
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: could have driven a car for the mob, I mean unbelievable.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And then to become a stunt car driver. I mean,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything cooler. Max and I were
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: talking about that right before you came on, and even
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Max was like, yeah, I mean driving through fire, skidding
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on a you know, wet road, doing a three sixty,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: jumping a ramp. I mean, it just sounds like heaven.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And again, your life has been so just out of
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: this world fascinating, and you think, well, that's it, you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I've done all that cool stuff, and then bam, just.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: When I thought it was over right.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeap, you were just going to have a quiet little
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know. Nope, not Georgia, honey. So again with Julia,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: what I think they're going to be able to help
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you understand is they will be able to get into
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: his head. They will understand his pattern, they will understand
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: how he selected victims, and they will be able to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: give you some solid.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Answers that would be so fantastic. Are you gonna let
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: her listen to this show so she can go from
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: there or what?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, I actually invited her to be with us tonight,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: but she couldn't. She had a prior engagement. And so
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: what's gonna probably happen. I'm just gonna give it to her,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and then probably what you'll do is have an episode
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: on her podcast where they can have you on and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: then break down everything they did to explain it to everybody,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and then I know, and we can listen to it
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: on the way to the prison.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: You're gonna come with me, for sure?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt. I'm driving, Are you kidding? And I'm
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: gonna wait out there and just be on pins and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: needles till you get out. But absolutely I'm going with you.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. But I'll tell you something, Georgia,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I have always admired you, and you know part of
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the thing that's happening now. I know this was scary.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I know this was one of those things that you're
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a bi rhythms changed, you know. Yeah, but you handled
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it like you've handled everything with such good humor, with
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: grace and just saying, hey, I'm going to confront this
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: head on. I mean, let's sit with him. I mean,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's just a testament to who you are.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Well, everybody's telling me, don't do it, don't go there.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: You know, these people have people on the outside, or
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: there's copycats and stuff like that.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: You know that that doesn't phaze me at all.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Listen, he worked alone. Ain't nobody thinking about him. He
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: has nobody on the outside. He done that. I flat
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: tail you. I mean nobody's He has no power. The
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: power sits with you, And the only reason for you
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to go there and sit with him is for your
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: own just comfort and just being aware that, Okay, this happened.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I just want to know why, what were you thinking?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I honestly think he will tell you.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I do think so. I think he will.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll open up about the murderers
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: back then, but I think he will tell me that.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: If anybody can get in a talk, it's going to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: be you. Because listen, my granddaddy used to tell us,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: if you want to know whether or not a boy
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: likes you, pay attention to what he does and doesn't do.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: If he's not going out of his way to call
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you or come see you or remember your birthday, it'll
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: be obvious he took extra steps to preserve your picture
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that he blew up to me. Now again, I'm gonna
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: let Julia do her thing. But to me, when a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: man takes extra steps, that's important. So I wouldn't ignore.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: That fact and buried it and buried it and buried
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: it and buried it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it could be. Then listen, now, I will say this.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I feel two ways about it. It does kind of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: freak me out on one hand, But on the other hand,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: there are people that bury money, they bury treasure, they
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: bury things that are important to them. They bury things
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: they want to keep and have them be pristine. So again,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Julia do her thing, but it could
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: be again because of the way he felt about you.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll be interested.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I'll be interested in to see how she breaks us
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: all apart and puts it all together.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, me too, me too. And again that's why I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to guess. I don't want to give you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: my two cents because I mean, that's about worth two cents.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I want Julia and company to take a look at it,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: because then again you will have solid, definitive factual information.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Well, I really appreciate that. That's really super we're doing.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: That, all right. I appreciate you, and we're gonna make
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: plans to get up to the prison and when we
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: get off here, we'll start picking a date. Okay, Well,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. And you know this is
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: gonna be such an asterisk to your book. It's crazy.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: October first they're going to Amazon, Hulu and one other,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and then on the twentieth is going to be Netflix.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So just keep your fingers crossed that one of them
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: pick it up and this will be another episode.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I told you for years it's got to be,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and this one is going to be one of those
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: episodes people are like, no way, you gotta be kidding.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: But no bit happened because, honey, when you called me,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I had not watched it. I hadn't seen this documentary.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And when you first called me and you were like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this, I'm sitting there, I'm watching
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: this true crime documentary about a serial killer and then
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: my picture pops up. I'm like, wait a minute, what
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Like I couldn't even process what you were telling me
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: because it was just unbelievable. But hey, here's the other
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: cool thing. With one of the possible primes, you solved it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: God's they solved that part of the puzzle.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You did. This is not a cold case, because you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: when we ever, anytime we ever have a call out,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the first thing we have to do is determine whether
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a crime has been committed. So the very first step
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: an investigation, you did it. No crime here, perfect, y'all.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: always do with a quote, I am not the monster
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that killed these women. I dated, I danced, I took pictures,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: but I don't kill people. And there's no evidence of that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Joseph Nazou representing himself at trial in twenty thirteen. I'm
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.