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55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Brad Wenstrup, Susan Luken, Vivek, Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 505-55KRC, the talk station. It's Friday, yay! There you go.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: You know, it's Friday when Joe Strecker, executive producer of
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: the 35 Carries You Morning Show, hits the woo-hoo button.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Or I just say happy Friday. Either way, happy it's Friday.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing Rush tonight. Yes. Third time I've
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: seen the band and excited about going again. Probably absolutely
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: the last time I expect to ever see them. But anyway, yeah,
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: it is Friday, so we get Tech Friday. Of course,
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: he's a geek. He's a nerd. He's a tinfoil hat man.
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  Speaker 1: He's Dave Hatterton. He's a Rush fan as well. Aren't
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: all tech guys Rush fans? Anyway, Tech Friday with Dave Hatter.
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  Speaker 1: Looking forward to that. 6.30 every Friday. Today, refrigerators hacked
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  Speaker 1: in France. Should you be worried? Yeah, the refrigerators got hacked.
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  Speaker 1: I think he touched upon that last week. Raising the
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  Speaker 1: temperature and ruining the goods in the refrigerators. So, out
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  Speaker 1: loud question. I exercised my warranty claim for a portable
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  Speaker 1: air conditioner we had at home, and it just quit
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  Speaker 1: working within the warranty period. So long circuitous route to
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  Speaker 1: getting it replaced, and the one they sent to replace
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  Speaker 1: it is a newer model. And why does a portable
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  Speaker 1: air conditioner have to have an app and be hooked
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  Speaker 1: up to the Internet? No, it doesn't have to be
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  Speaker 1: hooked up because I'm not doing that. But when I
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  Speaker 1: looked at it, it scratched my head. I go, what
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  Speaker 1: in the hell is with people? Why do you have
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  Speaker 1: to have these Internet of Things devices when the damn
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  Speaker 1: thing's sitting right next to you? What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: It came with a remote control. You don't need an
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  Speaker 1: app to make it work. Lord Almighty, you're right there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, you don't want to get up and
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  Speaker 1: walk 10 feet over to adjust the air conditioner, just
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  Speaker 1: like you didn't want to get up and change the channel.
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  Speaker 1: I always used to joke with my dad about that
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  Speaker 1: because I, of course, grew up in a time when
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  Speaker 1: their remote controls were kind of a newer thing with televisions.
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  Speaker 1: I know they had them with the little tone bar
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  Speaker 1: real early on, but we didn't have one of those
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  Speaker 1: whose dad would be like, Hey, Brian, get up and
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  Speaker 1: turn it to channel five. I'd get up and change it.
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  Speaker 1: He's like right there, close as I am. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what are kids for? I think my mom and dad
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  Speaker 1: had kids so I could change the channel. But there
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  Speaker 1: it was. And the remote comes along and you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to get up. Why in God's name with an
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  Speaker 1: appliance that has a damn remote on it, do you
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  Speaker 1: need an app and hooking it up to the internet?
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  Speaker 1: You don't. It's dumb. Dave, I love you, brother. And
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're listening to me right now because I
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  Speaker 1: know you're nodding and smiling in total approval with that. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: refrigerators hacked. Top five scams targeting older Americans and how
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  Speaker 1: to spot them. And finally, hackers accessing an IT firm
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  Speaker 1: with password 123456. An IT firm. I hope you've already
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  Speaker 1: gotten the memo on the need for strong passwords. Brad Wenstra,
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  Speaker 1: former congressman. Private citizen, still doctor. Brad Winstrip in studio
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  Speaker 1: at 705 on a whole bunch of topics. Love the
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  Speaker 1: conversations with Brad Winstrip, and I hope you do as
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  Speaker 1: well as I do. Magistrate Susan Lucan, vote Lucan, don't
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  Speaker 1: vote Bloom. Matter of fact, Signal 99, it was on yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Mind-blowing realities with Signal 99. She always comes with receipts. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, the first person to report on that overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: punch in the face metaphorical. to the city of Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 1: and specifically city manager Cheryl Long in connection with the
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  Speaker 1: firing of Chief Washington. Of course, that is now going
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  Speaker 1: to go to trial, and she is going to be
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  Speaker 1: held personally responsible to the extent the jury finds, well,
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  Speaker 1: what we all believe to be true, that she fired
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  Speaker 1: him without cause. So that'll be Magistrate Susan Lucan on
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  Speaker 1: being Magistrate Susan Lucan, becoming Judge Susan Lucan at 8.05.
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  Speaker 1: Mentioned Signal 99. Sorry for the segue failure there. She's
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  Speaker 1: going to be on the program on Monday for a
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  Speaker 1: full hour. A full hour documenting the problems brought to
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  Speaker 1: Hamilton County by juvenile judge Bloom. That should be fun.
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  Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswamy is supposed to be on the program on
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  Speaker 1: Monday as well. Jack Windsor from the Hot Press Network today,
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  Speaker 1: in and out the show at 8.30. Amy Acton, the ad,
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  Speaker 1: of course, media double standard, of course. And did Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump really need to elevate this thing at all? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he said the ad featuring Amy Acton's mom was a
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  Speaker 1: good thing, and I don't even need to go to
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  Speaker 1: the quotes on that. See, this is what I was
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  Speaker 1: afraid of, and this is exactly what has happened. Can
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  Speaker 1: we read the resumes of the gubernatorial candidates here in
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  Speaker 1: the state of Ohio? Can we just look at whether
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  Speaker 1: they're qualified or not? Do we need to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the childhood trauma that either of them went or didn't
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  Speaker 1: go through? Why is that an issue? Because Amy Acton
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  Speaker 1: won't debate. She doesn't have a platform to run on.
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  Speaker 1: She is afraid to go head-to-head with Vivek Ramaswamy. Hell,
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  Speaker 1: She's afraid to stay on the job being medical director.
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  Speaker 1: I quit. Won't show up at a rally. I'm distressed
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. This is a distraction. Right or wrong, great
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  Speaker 1: or bad, terrible or not, it doesn't matter. It's an
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  Speaker 1: ad involving her mom. And this devolved into a conversation
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  Speaker 1: about her traumatic childhood. Again, this is all it's about.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, who could run an ad when this
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  Speaker 1: poor woman, this poor woman, this poor woman Yeah. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying she isn't deserving of sympathy along those lines,
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  Speaker 1: but Lord almighty, the final weeks that we should be
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  Speaker 1: talking about issues that impact Ohioans, not whether or not
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  Speaker 1: Amy Acton had involvement with her mom as a child.
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  Speaker 1: This is the reason maybe many people and strategists are
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  Speaker 1: saying you probably shouldn't have run the ad. It's provided
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  Speaker 1: a convenient dodge away from what's important in the gubernatorial race.
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  Speaker 2: Issues.
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  Speaker 1: That impact you and me. That's the important reality here.
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  Speaker 1: But it's now dominated the news cycle. Here I am
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  Speaker 1: talking about it. Just, well, out of sheer anger over
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this is exactly what's going on. You
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  Speaker 1: can see it coming a mile away, I guess, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's where the critics of using this ad perhaps
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  Speaker 1: are justified, but could you see this coming before? See,
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  Speaker 1: and the reason I would say no, I couldn't see
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  Speaker 1: it coming and that it sounded like a good idea
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  Speaker 1: to maybe run it because I had no idea she
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  Speaker 1: alleged their dad raped her when she was 10 or
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  Speaker 1: 12 or however old it was. You add that into
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  Speaker 1: the mix and you start talking about it. Well, wait
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  Speaker 1: a second. Might this be a lightning rod away from
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  Speaker 1: the realities that Amy Acton is unqualified for the job?
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  Speaker 1: We'll all start having a sympathy vote for her. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. You can't read the future. So the decision
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  Speaker 1: was made, and of course now that decision has dominated
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  Speaker 1: the news cycle. Can we get back to whether Amy
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  Speaker 1: Acton can even handle the job?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they can get past Tech Friday with Dave Hatter.
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  Speaker 1: Citizen Brand, Windstrip and Studios, 7.05. Susan Luke in 8.05
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  Speaker 1: and Jack Windsor at 8.30. And speaking of, well, and
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  Speaker 1: here's something that frightens the hell out of me with
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  Speaker 1: Tech Friday's Dave Hatter. Governor DeSantis pointed this out just yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: And on the heels of the article, and I'm surprised
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  Speaker 1: it isn't on Dave Hatter's rundown, but this massive viral
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  Speaker 1: problem created the technology that powers like 70% of the
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  Speaker 1: entire world's website. Found out there's a critical security issue,
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  Speaker 1: and they let it out on Wednesday. Apparently, they figured
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  Speaker 1: this out a while back. They were trying to keep
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  Speaker 1: the lid on it so the hackers couldn't exploit 70%
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  Speaker 1: of the world's websites. It would allow if it got out,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess it's gotten out. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: they've taken control of systems, but that's what it allows
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  Speaker 1: anybody to do, take control of any system running its software.
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  Speaker 1: It's called PHP. And again, 70% of the websites use it.
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  Speaker 1: It would allow an attacker to steal information or launch
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  Speaker 1: a cyber attack on anyone visiting a hacked website. And
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  Speaker 1: what led them to discover this long-existing problem?
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  Speaker 4: A.I.
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  Speaker 1: So here's an upside for using AI. This software has
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  Speaker 1: been developed and it's been out there, my understanding is,
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  Speaker 1: for a really long time. But the exploitation, the vulnerability
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  Speaker 1: was built in it, and it's been there floating around.
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  Speaker 1: Just the only problem is, or the good thing is,
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  Speaker 1: it was so difficult to find the exploit and to
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  Speaker 1: identify how the websites could be exploited or otherwise attacked
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  Speaker 1: that the Well, the nefarious actors out there couldn't figure
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  Speaker 1: it out or didn't figure it out yet. So AI
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  Speaker 1: put to the task, was able to get work through
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  Speaker 1: this and say, look, there's a problem here. You better
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  Speaker 1: get to work on plugging it. And then, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the fixes, you got to go through and figure out
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  Speaker 1: if the fixes themselves have something that could be exploited.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a sizable reality. They call it the
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  Speaker 1: most severe security issue that this entity has faced in
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  Speaker 1: more than a decade.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 1: It's a race between defenders and hackers. But pivoting back
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  Speaker 1: over to DeSantis, this is what freaks me out, and
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  Speaker 1: this is a real genuine concern for the entire world. DeSantis,
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  Speaker 1: talking about yesterday, rogue artificial intelligence agents could drain Americans'
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  Speaker 1: bank accounts and investment portfolios. Imagine a rogue AI agent
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  Speaker 1: liquidating your bank account and investment portfolio. If rogue agents
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  Speaker 1: liquidate hundreds of billions across millions of accounts, the AI
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  Speaker 1: company would go bankrupt, but you wouldn't get made whole. See,
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  Speaker 1: here's the response of those like me who are saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence shouldn't get government protection up front. It shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: get carved out of product liability and tort lawsuits. If
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  Speaker 1: they design a product, and rush it to market with
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  Speaker 1: problems that you and I, or rather with things that
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: will allow you and I to become damaged by it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: for example, if they create something that allows somebody's bank
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  Speaker 1: account to be looted, then they should be responsible for
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  Speaker 1: paying the damages. It's an incentive for them to do
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  Speaker 1: it right in the first instance. Geez, I mean, we're
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: going to have to pay. Yeah, you're going to go
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  Speaker 1: out of business in this particular case if you put
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  Speaker 1: out a product that can be exploited. But DeSantis' point is,
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  Speaker 1: on this level, If everybody's bank account gets wiped out
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  Speaker 1: or a sizable chunk of them, yeah, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: they can compensate you. You're never going to be made whole.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, everything you worked and saved is gone,
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  Speaker 1: never to be recovered. So where would that leave you
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  Speaker 1: and I? I don't think it takes much imagination to
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  Speaker 1: envision a world post-currency. I mean, if you see what's
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  Speaker 1: going on in France simply because of, well, failure to
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  Speaker 1: account on currencies that still have a value to them,
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  Speaker 1: running deficit spending for years, making promises on social welfare
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  Speaker 1: lever that you could never, ever, ever fulfill. That's one thing.
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  Speaker 1: Now try to imagine how bad things would be if
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  Speaker 1: you just took the currency away and nothing there to
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  Speaker 1: replace it. 517 at 55KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 5: It's frightening.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: It's Friday. Don't want to talk about it, but this
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  Speaker 1: is stuff that's going on in the world, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why we get Tech Friday's Dave Adder coming up. Got
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  Speaker 1: more coming up, too. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK, pound 550 on AT &
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  Speaker 1: T phones. Love to hear from you. If you've got
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  Speaker 1: something you want to comment on, I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 5: 55KRC.
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  Speaker 1: It is 521 on a Friday, and a very happy
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• 12:15
  Speaker 1: except for those who have been banned by Joe Strecker.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Lenny.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: Joe Strecker has exclusive authority to ban any given listener
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  Speaker 1: who well lies to him, misrepresents the comments he or
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  Speaker 1: she would like to make on the radio, or repeatedly
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: curses on the radio. Have I exhausted the list of
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: things that will... Should I say that out loud? Or, quote,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: they're just a douche, close quote. That said, Joe Strecker.
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  Speaker 1: So as long as you're not one of those categories,
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: you can get on the 55KRC Morning Show, even if
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  Speaker 1: you disagree with me. Oh, and the further point on DeSantis' warning,
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  Speaker 1: his comments followed an Axios report that major U.S. banks
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  Speaker 1: have detected unauthorized third-party AI agents accessing customer accounts. Yeah.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Is there a prepper way around that? Don't tell me
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: a bar of gold because you can't eat it and
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: it's impossible to trade in gold on the street because
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to scrape off a piece of
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  Speaker 1: gold and hand it to somebody? And in a post-fiat
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  Speaker 1: currency world, what good is that going to do for you?
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. A topic we talked about yesterday was
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  Speaker 1: Signal 99, the Rodney Hinton murder trial. And I'm staring
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: in disbelief. The jury still has not reached a verdict.
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  Speaker 1: So far, 12 hours deliberating over a period of two days.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, they have to determine unanimously whether Hinton intentionally
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  Speaker 1: killed sheriff deputy. It's so sad about this. So they
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: came out yesterday and they asked Judge Jody Lubbers to
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  Speaker 1: clarify the jury instructions, the difference between two aggravated murder charges.
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  Speaker 1: Lubbers also apparently had addressed an error that both sides
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  Speaker 1: discovered in the guilty verdict forms for the two counts.
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  Speaker 1: Both attorneys agreed to the corrections that were offered. Judge
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  Speaker 1: explained the first aggravated murder account, there's two of them,
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  Speaker 1: aggravated murder account requires jurors to determine whether Hinton specifically
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  Speaker 1: intended to kill a law enforcement officer. Intent. And that's
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  Speaker 1: where the insanity thing comes in. Because if you don't
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  Speaker 1: know right from wrong, you can't really have, at any
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  Speaker 1: given moment in time, the mens rea element, your intent
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  Speaker 1: is called into question. So I don't understand right from wrong.
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  Speaker 1: That's ultimately what you have to conclude, right? And the
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  Speaker 1: jury has to determine that either he was incapable of
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  Speaker 1: determining right or wrong at the moment in time or not.
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  Speaker 1: So the second question requires them to determine whether Deputy
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  Speaker 1: Larry Henderson was performing his duties when he was killed.
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  Speaker 1: And that one's kind of scratching my head and puzzling because,
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  Speaker 1: of course, obviously, Larry Henderson was performing his duties when
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  Speaker 1: he was killed. But now you got this whole idea.
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  Speaker 1: of reckless homicide, which Judge Lubbers granted the defense request
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  Speaker 1: to include that reckless homicide as a possible consideration, which
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  Speaker 1: carries substantially shorter penalty, of course, but when you know
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  Speaker 1: any of the testimony that's come out on this, any
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  Speaker 1: of the testimony from the psychologists, psychiatrists who have been
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  Speaker 1: called by both sides, and the video footage, I'm loathe
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  Speaker 1: to reach conclusions in these matters, having practiced law and
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: understanding the difficulties and all the challenges and how much
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: different it is in a courtroom when people are evaluating evidence.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: You know, you're not there. You don't hear it. You
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  Speaker 1: don't get the full context. So probably shouldn't play armchair
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  Speaker 1: quarterback to an issue like this. But the testimony that's
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  Speaker 1: come out makes me scratch my head wondering, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the problem is here. And two full days
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  Speaker 1: of deliberation, they still haven't come up with a verdict.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe somebody in the jerk just wants
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: to be that one person, the one that stood up
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: to everything, the lone holdout. You've never seen that before,
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  Speaker 1: have you? Maybe they're desirous of national attention or something. 525.
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  Speaker 1: and any phone calls that come in. Either way we go,
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  Speaker 5: Don't be scared.
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  Speaker 7: Don't vote Democrat.
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  Speaker 1: There's Tom. There's a little rush. Hit me with some YYZ.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: How many time signatures in this song? It'd be late. Great.
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  Speaker 1: You're up here. Anyhow, 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK. I have it on
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  Speaker 1: good authority that the set list tonight is going to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: include the entire Moving Pictures album. I have a friend
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: that's seen them like 50 times, which some may deem pathetic.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: 13 people arrested this Wednesday. Multi-state law enforcement operation. This
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: as a consequence of a July 4th fight between members
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  Speaker 1: of the Iron Horsemen and Hell's Angels Association. Outlaw motorcycle
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  Speaker 1: organizations happen at Shipley's Tavern on West Street in Madison.
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  Speaker 1: According to Indiana police, they say they made the arrest
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  Speaker 1: during what they called Operation Rusty Cherub. Coordinated warrant sweep
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  Speaker 1: involving local, state, and federal agencies in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: and Virginia. Investigators served search warrants at 18 locations across
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  Speaker 1: Tri-State before daybreak on Wednesday. State police... say the investigation
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  Speaker 1: began about 3 p.m. July 4th when members of the
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  Speaker 1: two gangs, I'll call them, ran into each other inside
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  Speaker 1: Shipley's Tavern during the Madison Regatta holiday weekend. The fight
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  Speaker 1: left multiple people injured, causing property damage inside the tavern.
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  Speaker 1: According to police, thousands of people were in Madison for
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: this regatta event. Madison Police Department initially responded to the incident.
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  Speaker 1: Indiana State Police Special Investigation Section later took over the lead.
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  Speaker 1: because of the scope of the investigation. Now, these charges
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  Speaker 1: were filed in Jefferson Superior Court. Eleven suspects arrested during
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  Speaker 1: the Wednesday operation.
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  Speaker 6: U.S.
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  Speaker 1: Marshal Service arrested two additional suspects in Richmond, Virginia. I
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  Speaker 1: won't list all the cast of characters. The vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of them have been accused of Level 5 felony or
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  Speaker 1: charged with Level 5 felony corrupt business influence, Level 5
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  Speaker 1: felony aiding in a battery with a deadly weapon. Level
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  Speaker 1: 6 felony battery resulting in moderate bodily injury and Class
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  Speaker 1: B misdemeanor disorderly conduct. There's a smattering of other charges
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  Speaker 1: in there, but the vast majority of them, that's what
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  Speaker 1: they fall into. But I thought it was kind of interesting.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I just sort of naturally presume, based upon history, and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: maybe it's just because I'm a sexist, I figured this
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: would be a bunch of guys, although there were some
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: women who were also charged in this. Biker chicks. Notably
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: for you anti-flock folks out there, and you can count
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: me among that group sometimes. Practicality kind of gives way
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to libertarian leanings. anyway. Flock camera technology was apparently very
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: helpful in identifying and locating the suspects, according to the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: state police release. Just something to consider. What else we
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: got here? 18-year-old man's been accused of stomping. and kicking
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a teenager with football cleats after the Hughes versus Taft
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: game October 3rd.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Alex Davenport White, charged with aggravated assault after court records
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: said the victim was beaten until he was unconscious. Victim
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: taken to Cincinnati Children's Hospital with multiple knots on the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: back of his head, swollen eye, loose tooth being kicked
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in the face. Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office said a fight
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: broke out near the stadium. School District hasn't said whether
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the suspect and victim were players or identified which schools
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: they attend. The legal analyst interviewed by Fox 19 in
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: connection with this, Mark Crumbine, said the aggravated assault charge
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: could indicate police believe the victim provoked Davenport White with
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: fighting words or something of that nature. Cleats. The specific
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: use of cleats could result in a more serious charge
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: if the grand jury determines that they were a deadly weapon.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Aggravated assault considered a fourth-degree felony if convicted. He could
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: be sentenced up to 18 months in prison. That's according
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to the legal analyst.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I think people have been watching too many TV episodes.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Since a former fire chief, we learned about this the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: other day, Michael Washington is heading off to trial. Federal
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: appeals court rejected the city's challenge to an early ruling
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: in the case. This is the 19 to 0 end
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: bank decision. What a slap in the face that was.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Of course, this started a couple of years ago when
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Washington was fired. Now he's going to have his day
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in court. He joined the Cincinnati Fire Department in 1993,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: became chief in 2021, but less than two years after that,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he was fired. Of course, city manager Cheryl Long made
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that decision. She said in 2023, upon firing, we gave
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: him a resource and a tool to help him reset
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the culture of the department, and he did not take
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that seriously. Claiming she lost confidence in Washington, citing complaints
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: against him, including with the department's workplace culture, well, he didn't.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Came back with a federal lawsuit. Said, wait, wait, you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: can't fire me. I didn't get a disciplinary hearing before
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I was fired. Stephen M., his attorney, giving props for
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Stephen M. 's work on this. He said, it's like
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: they said strike three before you had strikes one and two.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: City Charter, as he pointed out in the lawsuit, says
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that after six months on the job, which of course
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: he was on the job for more than six months,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the chief can only be removed for cause and has
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the right to a hearing. Why didn't they give him one?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And this is the other point. Maybe why city manager
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Cheryl Long is not going to enjoy immunity or immunity
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: from liability on this. She ignored the advice of counsel.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I think it was the solicitor's office told her, no,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you can't do this. Come on. He's been on the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: job more than six months. It says right here in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: black and white, you can't get rid of him. I'm
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: going to do it anyway. Okay. Inviting personal liability. She's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: got her loins thoroughly girded. I think we all know
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: which direction this one's going to go. And Just an
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: advance congratulations to Chief Washington. 535-55-KRC, the talk station, Stack
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• 23:28
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• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Anyway.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Stack is stupid. Joe, if you had to guess, how
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: many articles have we had about fake cosmetologists doing butt
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: injections or lip enhancements with a caulk they bought over
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: at a Home Depot and a Motel 6? A lot.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: It never goes right. Add this one to the list.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Fake cosmetologist busted for allegedly killing a Connecticut woman. This
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: one because of a botched butt injection. dumping her in
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a hospital unconscious and naked from the waist down. According
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to law enforcement, Alicia Leslie, who was 47, I'm sorry,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the accused is Alicia Leslie, 47, of Mount Vernon. She
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: performed the back alley silicone injections that caused the death
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of Maxine Messam, who was 53. She went into fatal
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: cardiac arrest in February of 2022. Charged Friday, though, with
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: criminally negligent homicide after investigators found a text message exchange
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: between Leslie and Messam, planning to meet up in Yonkers
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and do the procedure... When the procedure kind of didn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: go right... Leslie and another woman allegedly dropped this Messam
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: woman off at the Jacoby Medical Center, pantsless with multiple
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: injection marks on her buttocks, then left in a van.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Leslie and the other woman, who has not yet been charged,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: allegedly claim they found her, Messam, in a cemetery in distress.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Leslie arraigned last Friday. The judge granted supervised release. Rap
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: sheet includes petty larceny in Midtown 2000 along with two
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: other charges in the 1990s. At least a dozen people
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: have died in recent years from these silicone injections, many
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of them butt injections.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Idiots doing idiot things because they're.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Idiots. Apparently, I would argue this must be about money.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what a real butt injection costs, but
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I guess doing it at Motel 6 with some roofing
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: caulk from Home Depot seems to be the better way
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to go. Bad idea. And here I'm always going back
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to the subjective reality. And I know everybody's got their
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: own view of beauty. I'm bigger. This doesn't seem to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: me to be the way to go. Anyway, a woman
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: sleeping alone on a couch inside her home. Had a
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: bit of a rude awakening. 6.40 in the morning, October 10th,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: police called a ravine drive home where it was reported
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that a fully naked man had entered into the house
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and asked the woman to have sex with him. Woman
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: told police she woke to find the man sitting on
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the couch where she was sleeping. He had cash in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: his hand that he tried to give her, which she
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: believed meant that he wanted to engage in sex with her.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Woman stood up and screamed for the man to leave.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Said he's about six feet tall. a little bit taller,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: facial hair. Man got up, unlocked the front door, and left,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: leaving behind on the coffee table his black shorts, cell phone, condoms,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: phone charger, lighter, and a pack of black and mild cigars,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: along with money. 30-year-old man also lives in the house,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was asleep upstairs, and awoke to the sound of the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: woman screaming. He believed he may have left the front
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: door unlocked when he went to bed.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Whoops!
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Woman believes the intruder locked the door after entering the home.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Says the naked guy's adventures didn't stop there. Police soon
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: after received a report from the Caledonia Avenue resident who
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: said that a naked guy was on her front porch.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Suspect ran from the porch through backyards. He was eventually
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: apprehended and positively identified by the woman. After being apprehended,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the suspect had multiple cuts on his body from running
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: unclothed through the bushes. Police charged man, 38 years old,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: with burglary, criminal trespass, public indecency, and obstructing official business.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: The report did not state what prompted the man to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: walk around or enter the home while he was naked.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: The aristocrats.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with drugs, Joe. Just going to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: default with that one. It's usually the accurate default position
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to rely on. 545-55-KERCY, the talk station. More stupid coming up.
• 28:29
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• 28:39
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• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Refrigerators being hacked in France. While France burns. Feel free
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to give me a call. Otherwise, back over to The
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Stack is Stupid. Go to Nashville, Tennessee. What was described
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: as mayhem broke out in downtown Nashville involving a naked
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: guy engaging in erratic behavior. Specifically, I know, I know.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Multiple calls came in to dispatch last Thursday. Naked man
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: acting aggressively as well as obscenely. We'll get the details
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: on that later. Happened at 4th Avenue and Commerce Street,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: according to the affidavit. The calls received by bystanders, including
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the defendant being fully nude, walking in the roadway, lying
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in the roadway, committing acts of vandalism, attempting to open
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: car doors, and forcibly kissing a female victim. Why are
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you doing that? Let's see. if we can't find out.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: 34-year-old David Katz is the guy in question, allegedly attacked
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a woman when she was trying to help him. According
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to the affidavit, he forcibly grabbed her head and inserted
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: his tongue into her mouth without consent.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Dude, what the hell?
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Ugh.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Post-traumatic stress? Think about that one. Anyway, after that action,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the defendant performed a humping motion against her and then began,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of course, I'm not using the M word, but pleasuring
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: himself directly in front of her. Separately, one guy told
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: police that Katz had climbed onto the hood of his
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: car and used his elbow to crack the windshield. Police
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: wrote in the affidavit, surveillance footage captured the man's erratic behavior,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: including the alleged battery, the alleged car damage, and him
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: walking into and lying down on the active road. Officers
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: got there, ordered him to move onto the sidewalk, but
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: he immediately acted hostile and began advancing on the other
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: officer aggressively. So, what comes next? The tasing. And then
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the handcuffs. Police said that he was in a heightened
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: state of intoxication and aggression.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Amen, brother.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Leading to the following. Here's what he's been charged with.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Sexual battery, indecent exposure, public indecency, vandalism, disorderly conduct, obstructing passageway,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and public intoxication. The aristocrat. You know, each one of
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: those carries a separate bond. The highest one being the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: bond for sexual battery, which is $ 15, 000. I'm going to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: go out on a limb here and say, you know what?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I bet the guy didn't post bail. And here we
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: go again. Another one. Who is teaching and responsible for
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: your children when you're not around? We have a Wisconsin
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: associate principal arrested for alleged sexual misconduct with a student.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: 32-year-old Caitlin Hintz. Associate principal at the Bondwell Middle slash
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: High School arrested Monday just about a week after a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: tip was sent into the state's Speak Up or Speak
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Up Speak Out reporting system. They've got one of those.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: The tip alleged inappropriate contact between the associate principal and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a student, and it was called a serious situation by
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the school, booked in the Shawano County Jail for multiple charges,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office said, without going into details because of the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: ongoing nature of the investigation. That said, the school district
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: stressed in a letter to the parents that none of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the communications in question took place through district platforms and
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: none of the alleged interactions occurred on district property. So
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: nothing to see here, at least as far as the
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: school districts are concerned. Focus your attention on her. Not
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: clear how long she'd been working in the school. Students
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: age from 11 to 18. Age of the student in
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: question here was not provided. Pick on somebody your own size.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And this is disturbing for a variety of reasons. Sadly,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it involves my experience. One of my fraternity chapters, not mine,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: not the one I went to. And this is, of course,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I'm decades since I was in the fraternity. UNC Charlotte
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: student facing felony charges after prosecutors say he secretly recorded
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: a consensual sexual encounter with another student. And then add
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: him to the biggest douche of the universe of universe awards.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Joe shared the video without a permission. 19 year old
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Alexander Evanoff posted a $ 10, 000 bond after his arrest a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: couple of three days ago. Evanoff, according to the charging documents,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: used his phone to record himself having sex with a
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: woman in the dorm room. Later, he allegedly shared the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: explicit video in a Snapchat group with 32 members of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity, giving the fraternity a bad
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: name that it doesn't deserve. He wasn't even a member
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: of the fraternity. Maybe this is just another opportunity for
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: them to throw in a fraternity in connection with wrongdoings,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: even though there's no connection. Anyway, it gets me bothered.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Restaurant states the woman had reasonable expectation of privacy, of course,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and the recording was made in and distributed without her consent.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Document states the woman is identifiable in the recording and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: associated image that were shared with the group. No question
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: in mind that it's her. The kid admitted to investigators
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that he did record and distribute the video without her permission,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: acknowledging that his distribution would be embarrassing and humiliating to her,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: now facing two felony counts of secret peeping and one
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: felony count of disclosing private images. And, of course, UNC
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Charlotte officials confirmed he's not here anymore. They pointed out
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: students who break the law will face criminal charges and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: university disciplinary action, including expulsion. No response from his attorney. 555-55-KRC,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the talk station. CJ, I see you're on the line.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I just looked up. I'll be happy. It's 606 here
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: at 55-KRC, the talk station. Happy Friday. Try to make
• 34:41
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• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Friday with Dave Hatter. One hour from now, private citizen
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Brad Winstrip in studio of a whole variety of issues.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Always enjoy those conversations. Magistrate Susan Lucan. Vote Lucan, not Bloom, please.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: We need a new juvenile court judge. It's going to
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: be tough on juvenile crime because apparently nobody else is
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: being tough on bad behavior in their worlds. Jack Windsor
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: from the Howard Press Network. He'll be talking about the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Amy Acton ad and the media double standard about that.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Of course, Governor Mike DeWine coming out swinging against that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: ad as well. And I scratch my head and say,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: here it is. This is it. Said in the last hour.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Dominating the news. Got nothing to do with who Amy
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Acton is versus Vivek Ramaswamy. Who's more better capable of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: running the state of Ohio? Who's even got any qualifications
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: around the state of Ohio? No, no, no, no. It's, oh,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: my God, oh, my God, I can't believe this, I
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: can't believe this. This being nothing related to the qualifications
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: for the job. Okay, there I said it again. I'll
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: say it more until the election's over, as long as
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: this thing keeps dominating the news. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK, pound 550
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: on AT & T phones. Let's see what CJ's got. CJ,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: thanks for holding over the break. Welcome, and happy Friday.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: Happy Friday to you, too. And I'm just looking at
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: the news. Some of the things in the election news
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: that are going on, and I don't know what is worse,
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: is the Ramaswamy in this ad, whether it is legitimate
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: or not, it is just, it's taking over national politics.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: Ohio politics. And it's just, sometimes just because you can
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: does not mean you should.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: Then you look at, then you look at Trump has
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: bought 35% interest in a company in Venezuela that, for
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: oil production, and I'm sitting here thinking, no wonder Republicans
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: are struggling against this socialism that is coming from the left,
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: because we are acting socialist.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, there was a great Wall Street article on that,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal article on that, CJ, all of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the things, you know, that sound very, very Democrat-left kind
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of policies that Donald Trump has announced. You know, here's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: a check here, a check there, and, you know, and...
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I can't answer or account for why he does what
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: he does, and some of it rubs me absolutely like
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you the wrong way, CJ. Sorry I interjected, but there's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a long list of those things.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: You're absolutely correct on it. And then, I'm looking at it,
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: I feel like I'm living in a world of pre-Bolshevik
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: Russia or pre- Hitler, Germany, because now not only do
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: we have those other two issues that have nothing to
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: do with anything of our lives dominating it, we have
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: all these little fake polls running around. You've got four
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: different polling companies, and I have their list here. Wedgwood Polls,
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: Meeting Strategies, PSI, SoCal Strategies. Those four polling firms have
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: been popular reported firms over the last six months They
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: changed the Michigan primary and the Democrat primary. They caused
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: the Republicans to pull money out of Georgia with Ossoff.
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: And they've done some really dangerous things. And nobody knows
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: what to believe anymore. And then you look at all
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: these little companies like Polymarket and Kelshi where they're going
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: out there and now you can go and vote through
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: your money and betting and all this stuff. Do you
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: know you could get more money out of these campaigns
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: can just go throw $ 200, 000 like Tallarico's probably did. I
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: don't know if he did or not or some PAC
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: related to him. Go and throw $ 200, 000 into the prediction
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: market on his race, and all of a sudden he
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: goes from 50% likelihood of winning to 67%, and it's
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: not even a poll. All it is is money, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: if you think about it, that $ 200, 000 is probably generating
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: far more money in press than any dollar that they
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: could spend.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Well, wait a second, CJ, isn't that, doesn't that sound
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: demonstrably illegal? I mean, if you have a college athlete
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: who can make a bet on a sports book and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he shaves a point or two off the game, he
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: can be, well, prosecuted. Now, if you're in Couchy and
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you can manipulate the outcome by merely, well, doing exactly
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: what you talked about, that's like having insider information. You're
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: sitting on a pile of cash, you're betting on yourself
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: based upon, well, Actions that you can do to manipulate
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the market.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Somehow that just sounds criminal to me. And maybe someone
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: can get prosecuted for it.
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying they're doing that, but they've got to
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: start looking into who is putting this money into these
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: predictions and stuff. Because whether it is companies, whether it
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: is elections, the news and this daily... of news that
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: we get, we don't know how to discern. And that
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: includes adults today. And all these kids that I teach,
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: they don't know what's real or not. I can't even
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: play a Spotify playlist. without hearing any acting commercials in
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: class anymore or other commercials in class. And I don't
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: want to bring politics into it. So I've got to
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: pull music from my class a little bit, which brings
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: phones back into the class because these kids need entertainment 24-7.
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: And you know what they're listening to. It is such
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: a problem that we have in society that we have
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: to hit these dopamine rushes. And then it's leading to
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: horrible polls. It's leading to fake news. And then it's
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: leading to all these other issues that we're dealing with
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: that we're saying, what do I believe anymore? And the
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: worldviews are starting to collapse. And it's really, really starting
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: to be scary. And that is what happened in France.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: That's the true issue as to what happened in France.
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: There is no worldview in France anymore.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: No, there is not. Without question. And this is the,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you see what's going on in France, the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: outcome of a failed promise. Decades of promises, shorter work weeks,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: earlier retirement, guaranteed pensions, guaranteed health care. It all sounds
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: so wonderful, rainbows and unicorns and puppy dogs. But then
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you've got to pay the bill. And they've been deficit
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: spending now for more than 50 years. Sounds kind of familiar,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't it? More and more promises from government ultimately end
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: in failure. There's only so much that can go around.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: The schools haven't been adequately funded, apparently. They're crumbling. Oh,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: my God, they didn't get enough resources. Well, You got
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: every hand plus, well, how many millions of additional brand new,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: metaphorically brand new hands based upon the unchecked, unregulated flow
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: of illegal immigrants coming in and hooking themselves up to
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: France's very beneficial and generous social welfare state. Sound familiar?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: That's why I keep saying we're like a baby step
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: behind France. It's frightening stuff, man.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: And the dumbing down of our americans america's children that
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: is obviously going on do you think children today and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you're obviously an educator are as smart as they were
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: say 20 30 years ago at least in so far
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: as what they've learned in school no they've taken valuable
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: education time and decided to use it for social engineering
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: let's talk about men being women shall we let's talk
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: about the whole different array of sexual preferences shall we
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: my little eight-year-old friends in school here That doesn't sound
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: creepy at all, does it, when you boil it down
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to the reality that it is? But the point being,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: they're not learning skills that can help them in life.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Knowing what one person's sexual preferences might be as they
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: develop into adulthood and those things get fashioned over time
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: based upon an individual's personal preference, why should you dedicate
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: even a moment's time to delving into that with young people?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's five minutes worth of a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: weekly class time that's being eroded. That's five minutes too much.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: It's an area they shouldn't go into, but that's just
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: one of multiple areas that they shouldn't go into. And
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: here we are. We're seeing a world in absolute crisis,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and even France is an illustration of this. Their financial
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: problems exacerbated by this ridiculous rush to quote-unquote net zero.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: You got massive inflation, the worst going on in more
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: than 40 years, intensified by their, well, Stupid embrace of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: these policies. They don't have enough energy. Guess what happens?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: The price of energy goes up and it makes things worse.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: And then the government tries to come to the rescue
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: by giving subsidies out. Remember COVID-19? Yeah, well, don't worry
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: about it. We're not going to let you go to work,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: but the government's here with a check. And we'll give
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: checks to all the businesses. We'll give checks under the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Paycheck Protection Program to all the individuals who, well, we
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: put out of a job. deficit-inspiring or embellishing or exacerbating? Absolutely.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Idiots doing idiot things because they're idiots, and apparently there's
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a population out there that thinks that those idiots that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: we elected are capable of solving these types of crises.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: And isn't it odd that we can always look to
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the crisis coming from something that perhaps they did, like
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: locking us all down, firing us for not getting a Well,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: what they called was a vaccine, a shot that didn't
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: stop it, didn't prevent the spread, but maybe, just maybe,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: if you're lucky, just sort of lessened the severity of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: something the vast majority would never have succumbed to in
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the first place. 615, 55KRC Detox Station. Cold out there.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It's getting cold. It's getting to be winter. 620 at
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: 55KRC Detox Station. Hope everybody's having a good Friday. Wait
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: around for it if it isn't. Plenty of time between
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: now and Monday morning when we get up and do
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it again.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: David?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick here. I see, James, you're on the phone,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: but I've got to make this point because it springs
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: off the heels of the last one. I had this
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: great op-ed piece. Don't have to read the whole thing.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: If you want to find it yourself, it's A Warning
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: from France by Jeffrey Tucker. You can find it over
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: at Epic Times. And he walks, he just points out
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: what's going on. The chaos in the streets of France,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a familiar ring, recalling back in 2020 when we had
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: these quote-unquote mostly peaceful riots with the Black Lives Matter folks,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the anti-fop folks. Then he walks through all of the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: horrors of COVID-19. France following the same routes that we did.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: People lost their jobs. Cities were shut down. totalitarian by
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: any standard, but it also created a fiscal crisis because
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: the state funded the entire mess with huge subsidies and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: payments of both individuals and businesses. Yeah, we did that too.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: The welfare state expanded. Unemployment is a real problem. Get
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: a load of this one. Particularly poignant, this unemployment problem
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: for students with advanced degrees funded by the state. This
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: is like the latter years of the Soviet Union. Everyone
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: seems to have a high-level credential of something, but These
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: pieces of paper guarantee nothing in the real world job markets. Inflation,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: worse than 40 years, intensified by this net zero nonsense,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: which led to terribly high energy prices, among others. No
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: French government has balanced the books in 52 years, funding
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: this welfare state, digging itself further into the hole. Sound familiar? France,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: more than any other industrialized democracy, followed the path of
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: progressive policies in everything. And look where it's gotten them.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: No one likes the results. No one trusts the system.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: French voters keep rejecting establishment politicians, but the establishment somehow
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: never leaves. Reform never arrives. Frustration festers.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: Sound familiar?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Never restricted of participation rights, even as it flung open
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the borders and endlessly expanded the welfare state. This is
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: a path to national suicide in any nation. Sound familiar?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Open borders, open welfare system. Question, is it too late
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: for a political solution? Perhaps, but that raises the question
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: of how this chaos will resolve. We could look back
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: to the interwar period in Europe, see one possible path.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Here we are. Don't ever let a crisis go to waste.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Eric, for reminding me of that. I know.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: The inflation and social chaos fallout from World War I
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: ended up raising a generation of authoritarian politicians rallying around
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: fascist ideology. We tend to single out Germany, but often
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: forget the same tendencies hit Italy, Spain, and France. This
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: is the only real modern precedent we have for how
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: this current situation ends. History may not repeat. He says,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I've wondered for years if something more dramatic is heading
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to Europe, something like, oh, 1989 and 1990 and former
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Soviet empire. States unraveled in different ways, but the result
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: was the same everywhere. An entire establishment and system were
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: washed away in a few short years, discrediting decades of rule.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: States from that period that undertook the biggest reforms, Poland, Hungary,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Czech Republic, Slovenia, Soviet satellites, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, also
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: happen to be the same states that resisted open borders
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: for several decades, avoiding the economic sclerosis of Europe, along
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: with the social, demographic, and industrial decay. It's possible the
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: next stage of Europe will involve not just the full-scale
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: unraveling of the European Union, but also an abrupt overthrow
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of whole political establishments. Let France be a warning to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: the United States. The policies that inflicted so many wounds
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: on this country are all the same policies advocated in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: an elite and fashionable circles in the United States, pushed
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: by the heights of academia and celebrated by establishment media.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's all about more controls, more corporate cartels, more regulations,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: higher taxes, more immigration floods without any real standards over
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: what constitutes citizenship. If the United States goes this way,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and it very well could happen with enough voter apathy
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and poor policies, such as those being imposed on New
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: York City today, we'll end up right where France is today.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: We face a choice. We can choose chaos or choose
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the return of the ideals of a constitutional republic that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: our founders envisioned. This is not only a fork in
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the road for France. It points to a coming fork
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: for the United States, too. Sounds to me like he's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: encouraging people to get out and vote and vote like
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: your life depends upon it. And that is not voting
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: for Democrat socialists. And as everyone's been pointing out, it's
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: a drumbeat across America. Everyone will point out, and they
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: are right in doing so, that any Democrat vote is
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: a vote for democratic socialism. They're not going more conservative
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: in the Democrat camp. They are full on, full tilt
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: heading for France. They couldn't deliver in France. They gave
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the people what people thought they wanted. And look what
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: it got them. Wake up! 625-55-KRC-TalkStation. Foreign Exchange, get your
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: car on Foreign Exchange. 6.30. I'll be there tonight. Question.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Will my fellow Rush geek Dave Hatter from Interest IT
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: be there? You're going to go see the Rush show tonight.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, welcome back. Thanks to Interest IT, your company,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: for sponsoring the segment we call Tech Friday with Dave Hatter.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Good morning, Dave.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Good morning, Brian, and as always, thanks for having me on. No,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I will not be there tonight, unfortunately. General Hatter had
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: other plans for Private Hatter.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Ah, yes, I know the hierarchy. You know how to
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: make life good for yourself at home. Anyway, I was
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: telling my listeners this morning about your first story, refrigerators
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: being hacked in France. I had a portable air conditioner
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: at home, and it went belly up under the warranty period,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: so they sent me a new one. It's a newer model,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: and it came equipped with something I would have never bought.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: internet of things device I have now. You, it tells
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: you to download an app. Now this came with a
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: remote control. So I figure anybody who bought one of
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: these is never going to be further than 10, 15
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: feet away from it. So either get up and go
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: adjust it yourself or use the remote control. It came with,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: why do you have to have an app? He asked
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: out loud while thinking of Dave Hatter. And of course,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: refrigerators also hooked up to the internet in France, resulting
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: in a hacking. God almighty, Dave.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, I, You don't need an app
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: No, you don't.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, use the native remote or get up and
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: walk over and press the buttons on it. You know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: the app exposes you to this kind of risk. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: as you know, we've been doing this show for, I
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: don't know, almost 13 years now. And I've been blasting
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: on the Internet of Things, a.k.a. smart devices, probably that
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: whole time. And this is just another example. But it illustrates, A,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: this goes well beyond your privacy. Can the thing listen
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: to you, watch you, that sort of thing? And even
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: beyond cybersecurity from the standpoint that once these devices are connected,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: they serve as launching points for bad guys that can
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: hack them and access other devices in your environment and
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: potentially destroy your company. But this shows you the way
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: these things can be weaponized in unusual ways that you
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: wouldn't think of. So what does a refrigerator do by design? Well,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: it keeps things cold, right?
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: So we find out in this attack, which here's one headline.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: From France 24, they said, unprecedented cyber attacks target refrigeration
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: units at hundreds of French supermarkets. And then Forbes did
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: a later piece on this that really drives the point home.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: So they say, the night of October 11th, hackers targeted
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: hundreds of industrial refrigeration controllers at hundreds of French supermarkets.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: The attackers heated refrigerators and freezers to 122 degrees Fahrenheit
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: for roughly six hours by switching on the defrost function.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: So this is part of the problem. These things have
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: software in them, which is controllable. That's what it's designed
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: to do, control the device, right? Now they're connected to
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: the Internet. If that software has vulnerabilities or possibly isn't
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: even just configured correctly, it may not even be that
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: there's a vulnerability that could be exploited by bad guys
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: that you don't know about in the software, like this
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: PHP thing that has exploited the Internet.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Over the past couple of years. Oh, yeah, I mentioned
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that this morning.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: It's that you don't configure it for security purposes. Bad
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: guys get in, switch on the defrost function, which ruined
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: the food in millions of dollars worth of food, rather,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: in hundreds of supermarkets. But in some cases, these things
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: actually caught on fire. They got too hot, caught on fire.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: So your smart refrigerator at home. I think we talked
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: about this last week. LG smart refrigerators rolled out a
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: software update that bricked. Bricked is nerd speak for it
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: no longer works because the software made it stop functioning.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: How'd you like to come home and your house is
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: burned down because your home refrigerator overheated and burned the
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: place down or your coffee maker or anything that has
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: a heating element in it that's connected to the internet.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: And then it goes on to say, and this is
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: the last piece that I don't think most people can connect.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: So, so we have, A vulnerability in this case that's
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: exploited by bad guys because it's connected to the internet
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: and they discover this vulnerability. AI is rapidly accelerating this
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: vulnerability identification. They overheat and destroy the contents at the
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: minimum and in some cases cause damage to the building
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: itself because they literally caught on fire. But then they
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: say that millions of dollars in loss or millions of
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: euros in loss in this case and that perhaps insurance
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: is not going to pay for this because While I
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: encourage every business out there to have cyber insurance, if
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: you do not understand what the policy covers and does
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: not cover, because it may not cover every conceivable attack,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: and if you do not do what you say you're doing,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: when you fill it out and they say, do you
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: have multi-factor authentication? Yes. Do you have backups? Yes. And
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: you don't? Guess what's going to happen, Brian? Deny.
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Claim denied. We're not going to pay the claim. We're
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: not going to pay the claim because you didn't do
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: what you said you were doing. So, yeah. How would
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: you like to walk in? Your store's on fire. You've
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: lost millions of dollars in inventory. And the insurance company says, yeah,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: we're not going to pay it because you had known
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: vulnerabilities in these devices and or you did not configure
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: them correctly. And thus, they don't work.
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's I just cannot stress enough. We have
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: got to get serious about this, both from a critical
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: infrastructure standpoint and And from businesses understanding the risk, connecting
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: everything to the Internet and everything with software it creates.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying you can't have it under any circumstances,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: although the less the better. But if you're not securing
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: this stuff correctly, if you're not taking these risks seriously,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: this is yet another example of what could happen and
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I tell you will happen when they find your Internet
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: of Things devices and can exploit them.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: And when you're in Trust IT and find them online
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: at interestit.com or working for businesses, which you do for
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: computer needs, is this the type of guidance you will
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: provide a business, sort of an insurance review?
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, it is, Brian. See, I
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: knew that. Our goal as a company working with businesses
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: is to keep them productive because, right, you got to
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: do what you do to make money. You got to
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: be productive. You can't have so much that you can't work. Productive, resilient,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: so that if and when a cyber attack succeeds, because, Brian,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do that will completely block this.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Understood.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: But you can make yourself a very, very difficult target.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Resilient so that if and when something happens for whatever reason,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: cyber attack or whatever, You can recover quickly with minimal downtime,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: minimal impact, and then ultimately secure, right? Venn diagram of
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: those three things working together based on your risk tolerance
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: to make sure that your business is successful and that
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: you are less likely to suffer these kinds of attacks
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: and have the minimal impact if and when you do.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: TrustIT.com. Of course, Business Courier says they're the best. There's
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of the reasons why right there, boiled down.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: More with Dave Hatter coming up, including... Top five scams
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: targeting my senior friends and passwords. We've talked about that
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: one before. Don't go away. And we've talked about trees before.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: 641.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Jess Tracker, for the rush bombers this morning
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and anticipation of the show tonight. IntrustIT.com. You heard the commercial.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: And you hear Dave Hatter. He is the principal at
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Intrust IT, but his employees do own the company. I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: think that's a cool thing, Dave Hatter. I know you've
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: got some really great employees, but Let's go out of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: order here. Let's push the scams targeting older American Americans off.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I think it'll take longer than the password issue. But
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: real quick question from Rick on the Internet of Things
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: device issue. He said, can Internet of Things be isolated
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: with our routers, asked Rick.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Rick obviously knows something about this, and the answer is yes.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Ideally, it's going to depend on the router and its
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: configuration and capabilities and so forth, but the short answer
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: is yes. Ideally, you'd create what in most non-nerd speak
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: would be like a guest network or a separate network.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: More advanced devices will let you create VLANs or virtual LANs,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: so you can have... This device on this network and
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: these devices on that network and they can't see each other.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: And I would also remind folks, you know, if you
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: buy an Internet of Things device, you don't have to
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: connect it to the Internet.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Like the air conditioner.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to limit its capabilities potentially, right? And
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: depending on what you bought it to do, it might,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: you know, significantly reduce performance. the viability of it for you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: But ultimately, yes, Rick is right. And that is something
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: people should look into, but it's, it's usually, you know,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: difficult for the non-technical person to do that sort of thing.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Well, and it's stupid for a non, a technical person
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to have a stupid password, like one, two, three, four, five, six, Dave.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it is. This is a, this is really
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: kind of insane. But before we dig into the details
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: of this, Brian, I want to read you another headline
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: and you'll see And this, it goes back to the
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: first story because I mentioned in this case, they exploited
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: vulnerabilities in the software of these internet-connected refrigeration units. But
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I mentioned configuration. Configuration would be, well, the software, the platform,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: whatever gives me the capability to secure it, but I
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: don't use it correctly and or I do things like
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: use a password like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: So here's a headline. I'm going to do a presentation
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: this morning. And this is in my slide deck. So
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Security Week magazine, analysis of 6 billion passwords shows stagnant
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: user behavior. So we've talked about these giant breaches and
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: leaks before. Good guys analyze this stuff to see, well,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: what are people doing out there and how can we
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: help them understand what they should be doing to secure
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: their stuff? 6 billion passwords were reviewed from these leaks, okay?
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Most common stolen passwords in 2025 were, wait for it, 123456,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: admin and password, okay? If you are using admin as
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: an administrator password on anything, you're going to burn down metaphorically.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: You are making it so easy. And I get, oh,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I have 100 passwords. How can I remember all these strong,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: unique passwords? I totally understand that. The answer is have
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: less passwords and or use a password manager. But back
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: to this story. So now– so there's the evidence that
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: people continue to do this, and then here's how it
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: ultimately blows them up, blows their organization up, and blows
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: society up. Hacker accesses IT firm with password 123456, stealing
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: personal data of 8.8 million people. A Danish company would
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: access to the country's Central Register of Persons database. So
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: this is an IT company providing services to a government agency.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: They use the password. They should know better, right? But again,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: 6 billion passwords, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, one
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: of the most common ones, Brian. Here's an IT company
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: not following the most basic cyber hygiene. And by the way,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: I know we're running out of time. For those of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: you out there who would like to learn more about this,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: especially as businesses, and you don't want to work with
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: someone like Entrust, look up the Center for Internet Security
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Critical Controls. Center for Internet Security Critical Controls. I'll put
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: it in my show notes today. They have a framework
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: that will help you secure your business. But here, again,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: IT company, working with government agencies, using the password 123456.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: The bad guys know people use these passwords. They don't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: even really have to hack you at that point. They're
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: just logging in and stealing your stuff. And now it's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: the 9 million people in Denmark who are now the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: victims of this because this data apparently contains names, addresses,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: and ID numbers. Almost 9 million people.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Very quickly, Dave, quick recitation of good password managers.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Well, at Entrust, we use 1Password, number 1Password. Keeper is
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: a good one. But if you're a regular person and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: you're not looking for an enterprise tool, use CNET, C-N-E-T.com, ZDNet, ZDNet, ZDNet.com,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Tom's Guide, Consumer Reports. They have editors that review these things,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: PC Magazine, and they'll tell you, here are the best
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: five password managers for the average person. We like this
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: one best because of this reason. So you don't even
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: have to take my word for it. Again, Keeper is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: a good one, 1Password. But there are magazines that will
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: tell you, here's what you should use.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Don't go away. The top five scams targeting older Americans. 650.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: The 55KRC, the talk station. You can find all Dave
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Hatter's notes in this segment at LinkedIn.com. LinkedIn. in.com to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: search for Dave Hatter and the, uh, the documents he
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: relies upon. And we'll be posts throughout the week materials
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that are very worth reading, pivoting over away from passwords
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: and onto senior scams. Dave, this is just awful that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: it happens, but of course that's an easy target. Those seniors.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Sadly, Brian, it is. And before I dig into this
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: specific thing, I want to, I want to give people
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: some additional resources because I think a lot of folks
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: think this could never happen to me. Um, This isn't
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: really happening. This is all speculation. So first off, I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: encourage all your listeners, I've mentioned this many times before, ic3. gov.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Indigo Charlie number three, ic3. gov. This is a website hosted
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: by the FBI, the Internet Crime Complaint Center, thus the ic3. gov.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: They put out an annual report every year that explains
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: what they're seeing out there. It's very useful to see
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: what's actually happening, not just what someone like me is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: warning you about. Secondarily, then, I've talked about this guy before,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Kit Boga. He's on YouTube. He's got a website. He's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: a scam the scammer guy. And I just recently learned
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: about another guy. He has a website called Scammer Payback.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: He goes by the name Pierogi. You can find him
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: on all the social media. They actually show you these
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: scams in real time. When they get the text that says, hey,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: I thought we were meeting for lunch today or whatever, right?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: They'll call that number. They'll click that link. In some cases,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: they'll hack back too. Like they'll literally take over the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: bad guy's computers and wipe them out and you can
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: watch them doing it.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: But at the very least, they will waste these people's time.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: And Kit Boga is famous for he'll pretend to be
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: an older woman. And say, oh, yeah, honey, I'm going
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: down to Target to get the gift cards. Oh, I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: hit a pothole. I got a flat tire. I'm going
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: to have to call AAA. And he'll just keep them
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: on the phone saying crazy stuff until they eventually realize
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: they've been scammed. But my point of all that, Brian,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: is you can see these in action. You can see
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: that these people are not technical wizards. They are con
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: artists using this technology to con you. And the bigger
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: point is they will tell you any lie, any lie whatsoever.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: There's nothing they will not say or do to get
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: to your money. So it's really instructive and insightful to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: go watch these channels. Again, Scammer Payback, Kit Boga. But
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: the top five scams, according to Consumer Affairs, and you'll
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: find this backed up by the FBI, government and business
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: imposter scams. All this data I mentioned in the last
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: segment that's been leaked about you, it makes it easy
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: for me to go to, let's say, the Hamilton County
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Sheriff's website, look up Deputy Bob. Call you up because
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: I got your phone number. I got all kinds of
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: information about you that's been stolen and leaked by your
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: smart refrigerator and such over the years. I'm Sheriff Bob
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: from Hamilton County Sheriff's Office. You have a warrant for
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: your arrest. I'm going to need you to get some
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: gift cards or we're going to come arrest you tonight.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: And they say, OK, look me up. I'm on the website.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: They're con artists, Brian. All this information is available about you.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: All this information is available about these agencies that they're
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: going to pretend to be. And they'll lie to you
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: like this. Again, Kit Boga, scammer payback. You can watch
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: it in real time. Investment in cryptocurrency fraud. Suddenly your
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: soulmate has found you on Facebook or TikTok or whatever. Well,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: they are your soulmate because they know all this information
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: about you, and they know all the right things to
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: say to strike up a rapport, have you fallen in love,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And then eventually it's like, hey, you know,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: I've been making a lot of money in crypto. Let
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: me show you how. And then boom, money gone. The
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: tech support scams. We've talked about this many times over
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: the years. Apple, Microsoft, Google, fill in the blank, is
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: not looking over your phone or your device. They're not
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: going to call you and say, hey, you have a virus.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Let me remote into your computer and fix it. If
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: you get a call like that, guaranteed scam, immediately hang
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: up the phone. Do not talk to them absolutely positively.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Do not let them install software on your phone or
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: your computer or take control of it in any way
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: because once they do, there's really no way short of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: having an expert to guarantee that you've gotten them out
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: of it. Do not do that. Romance scams. I already
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: kind of touched on this one. Hey, again, even if
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: you're on like a dating site, You could be in
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: a video game. The scammers are everywhere. Anywhere there's people,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: a large number of people that are congregated, they're there. Suddenly,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: you start up a conversation. Next thing you know, again,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: they happen to like the same bands as you and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: the same movies as you. They know all of this
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: about you. They're scamming you. So I'm not saying you
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: can't find your soulmate online. But what I am saying
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: is you have to have, to quote you, the jaundiced
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: eye of skepticism, Brian, to any kind of thing like
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: this because the scammers are everywhere. And then finally, the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: grandparent and family emergency scam, which are being fueled by
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: AI voice clones.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: So as this article says, skepticism can save you. Move slow.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Talk to someone else.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Create a safe word. I had my conversation with my
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: mom about this one. If you hear my voice and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you for money, that will never happen. I'm
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: not going to call you to ask for money. But
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: that's just one form of a grandparent family emergency scam.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I just said, listen, if you ever question whether or
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: not you're talking with me or any of the children,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: et cetera, what you need to do is ask this question.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: that no one in the world would know except someone
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: you've told to ask the question about. So that's the
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: easiest way to end that one right out of the gate.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: And also, I totally agree with that. That is the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: right sort of thing to do. And also to just say,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: hang up and call back on a known number. The
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: likelihood of you calling from jail is pretty slim probably, right?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Hang up, call you at home, call your wife. Skepticism
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: and verification have never been more important. Right. Assume, assume scam,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: start out with skepticism and then verify before you click
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: the link, before you make the call or whatever. That
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: is by far your best defense. Because again, a lot
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: of this, it's not technical, Brian. It's social engineering. It's spoofing,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: making things that look real, lying to you, you know,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: and yeah, catching you off guard. Right. So be safe
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: out there, folks.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I am glad that I have made the right life choices.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I always kind of question why am I so jaded,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: skeptical and cynical about everything? It's not my default position,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: but here i find myself in 2026 having reflecting back
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: going hey i've been in the right place pretty much
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: my entire life dave it's 706 it's friday and a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: very happy friday to everyone extra special i'm looking at
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: former Congressman, now citizen, Brad Winstrip, who's still spending a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: lot of time in Washington, D.C. Brad, welcome back, my
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: dear friend. It's always a pleasure seeing you and talking
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: with you here on the 55 KRC Morning Show.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: You too, Brian. I enjoy it. There's so much going
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: on and so much I've had the opportunity to see,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: you know, through years in the military and in Congress
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: and in medicine and the combination of things that you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: learn a lot. You don't want to waste it. You
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: want to stay involved and carry on with that.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Well, and you have that. Yeah, absolutely. That's why you're
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: in D.C. What was it, the President's Intelligence Advisory Board?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: You still have your security clearance, don't you?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah. And it's a chance while I'm up there
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: to touch base on a few other things. I'm a
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: director for Americans for Health Excellence.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: And I got a little letter to the editor in
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: the Wall Street Journal last week.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Perfect segue into the Wall Street Journal letter you sent in.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: You got it published. And, of course, perfect timing on
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that because the Democrats are all running around. We're going
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: to have Medicare for all. We're going to have Medicare
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: for all. And they fail to appreciate just the simple
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: dollars and cents reality that it's trillions and trillions of
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: dollars in additional expenditures over a mere 10 years. What
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: did the Cato Institute figure out? It was like $ 30
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: trillion or something for this exercise?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's unbelievable. They don't care. They just think it's there.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: They say it. Sounds good. Talking point. Medicare for all. And,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: you know, everyone's going to be taken care of. Well,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: here's the problem, and here's why I wrote the letter.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, there was an article in the Wall Street
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: Journal from Alyssa Finley, and she talked about the gaps
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: between what people like Al Saeed are touting and the reality.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: And if you look around the world where these programs
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: have existed— Like Bradford. They've gone into failure, right? And
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: this is what people keep touting. And it's unbelievable. And
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: this man, El-Said in particular, is of interest to me
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: because he is a physician but never practiced. And when
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: you look at our physician shortage, I want to tell America,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: you only have so many slots in medical school. Get
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: people that are going to take care of people. That's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: an important component. And that's another part of what I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: wrote about here. is who's going to take care of
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: people when you do this? You've already had the situation
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: for a couple decades where Medicaid pays the least. It's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: hard to get things done. And so doctors start limiting
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: how much Medicaid they see.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: There is no obligation for a physician to take Medicaid.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: They don't have to accept Medicaid-paying patients.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: But they want to. Same thing with Medicare. Now, most
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: of them still accept Medicare, but you're going to explain
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: this direction it's going to go. But the point being,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: there's a choice among physicians in the world whether or
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: not they're going to participate in these programs.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: Exactly. And, you know, why are they obligated to a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: very difficult lifestyle when all they really want to do
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: is take care of patients, right? And you have to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: go through so much. And in those government programs and
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: in the private sector of insurance, It's difficult because you
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: have prior authorization. You have all this bureaucracy, all this paperwork.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: And for what? You have your staff working on a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: lot of paperwork that results in very little pay and denials.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: And you have to go through it again. I mean,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: I know a doc, a rural area. He said, I
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: don't take any of it, but I'm not going to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: charge you much. And it's just me and my wife.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: And he does okay. He's got a lifestyle he's comfortable with.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: But these guys are talking about Medicare for all And
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: that means everyone is now in that category that has
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: been difficult to manage financially for a doctor in their office.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: So if we stay on the current system as it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: currently exists, not the structure of it, but with physicians
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: either agreeing to or not taking Medicare or Medicaid, either one,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: and they don't take it. So Medicare for everyone means
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: like five doctors for everyone, or you force doctors to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: accept whatever payment you're going to pay them under that structure.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get people who will never, ever even
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: consider the practice of medicine as a profession.
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  Speaker 5: That's the other problem, right? And you see today, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: so many doctors today from my age group, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we're telling their kids, don't go into medicine. It's just,
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  Speaker 5: it's just not worth it. You can do so much more.
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  Speaker 5: Think about this. When you graduate from college and your
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: friends go out and start making money and you go
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: another four years and then you do a residency from
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  Speaker 5: three to five years and then you may do a fellowship,
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  Speaker 5: they're all out there making money.
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  Speaker 1: That's a decade's worth of burdens.
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  Speaker 5: And building their life and their family. And you are
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: still under these burdens. And then you get out and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: people are telling you, you get paid too much. I'll
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: never forget my health staffer in my office talking to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: Pelosi's staffer. He said, the problem is doctors make too much.
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  Speaker 5: And they believe that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: And they believe that. And, you know, what is fair?
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  Speaker 5: And they don't make as much as Silicon Valley and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: everything else, that's for sure. But the idea is you
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: want to go out and take care of people, but
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: they make it more and more difficult every day.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just draw real quick. You can correct me
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: or disagree with me if you think I'm wrong, but
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: it's a reverse professional sports analogy. You're out of the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: game as a physician for the first, let's say, decade.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: You're in school, you're doing your residency, you establish a practice,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: so you're never making big money early on while everybody
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: else has gone off and has begun their life and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: started building the resume, increasing their salary and earnings over time,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: which is typically the case. The converse is true with
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: professional sports. You only have a finite number of years
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: before the knees give out.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're done 35, maybe 40, if you're lucky
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: and you got the rest of your life, maybe 40
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: more years or more to have to cover the nut
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: based upon the salary you earned earlier. That's why they
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: pay you a lot earlier. You don't got a number
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  Speaker 1: of years to do it. I understand, but I keep
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: going back to see that's the ruining the practice of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: medicine by virtue of government control. There's one, let's just
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: say broad brush. No more doctors are going to bother
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: going to med school, but, The payment, the cost of it,
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  Speaker 1: even if you could avoid that reality unfolding, the whole
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Atlas Shrug concept, we can't afford it.
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  Speaker 5: We can't afford it.
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  Speaker 1: There aren't enough dollars.
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  Speaker 5: And my big question is, who will be left to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: treat you? Because right now in practice, really, you're kept
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: afloat by private insurance. And it's not that there's not
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: hassles there.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: There are.
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  Speaker 5: But you're kept afloat by private insurance, which make up
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: that gap. from the losses you take when you see
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: Medicaid and Medicare patients. And that keeps you afloat. But
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: you still want to see them, and that's good. But
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: you reach a point where we're going to have to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: close our doors if we take too many of the
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: patients in these categories because it doesn't bring in enough revenue.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: And that's just business. What do you do, right? And
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: so they take for granted, and this is what's always
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: aggravated me, they just always take for granted that the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: doctors will be there. And it's really frustrating, of course,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: for the physician who says, we're your product. You have
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: nothing without us.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And so that's the risk we take when we talk
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: about Medicare for all. You will have nothing without them
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: because doctors are to say, can't do it anymore.
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  Speaker 3: That's.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I got your tongue.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you know why it's got my tongue, Brad? It's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: because it is so.
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  Speaker 3: Obvious.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I just, it's like this embrace of socialism slash
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: communism here in America. You people don't understand what's going
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: on outside of the four inches around your head. You're
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: not looking at the deteriorating conditions in Europe, which have
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: literally done every damn thing you want from American government.
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  Speaker 1: And it's made them a financial nightmare. Look at, we're
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: already a financial nightmare. We don't have some of the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: stuff that they're trying to push, like Medicare for all.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Socialize medicine. It's going to be grand and glorious. And
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: then you talk to somebody who's lived under it. It's like,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: you know what? I can't even get to see a doctor.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I can't find one.
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  Speaker 5: That's right. And that's been out there. That's been known
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: for a long time. People coming from Canada to go
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: to the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic and things like
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: that because they can't get what they need. And Ronald
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: Reagan even talked about it. He talked about it. And
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: how long ago was he in office? 45 years ago?
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: And he did a thing like... This is not going
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: to work if we keep doing this. Who's your doctor?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: And he talked about a woman from Great Britain saying, oh,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: I got tremendous care from some skin condition, whatever. And
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: it was like, how long did it take before you
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: saw a doctor? Well, it took about four years. But
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: I finally got there. And it's like, do we want that?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: All I needed was this prescription salve that he ordered.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was a little more involved.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I know. But see, you know, I mean, that can happen.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Can't get into a doctor, and the only thing you
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: really need is a prescription that's maybe even generic. It
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't cost you any money under socialized medicine, but not
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: a whole lot to fix it. But you had to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: wait for it. Good thing for her it wasn't a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis. It metastasized while she was waiting to get
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: in to see a physician.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and this is really a grave concern because in
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: theory and in practice, many of us, especially in D.C.,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: and I'm still involved with some health care stuff in D.C.,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: How do we get to early diagnosis, early treatment? There's
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: a huge return on investment there, Brian.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Massive.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: Massive. You know, you see something, you nip it in
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: the bud, you make someone better, they keep going to work,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: they still have their life.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: You know, we could all engage in preventative medicine if
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: we took better focus on our diet.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: Look around.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Look around. I mean, period. It's within our own power
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: to solve a vast majority of the problems that we
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: face in terms of medical care. More with 55KRC, the
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  Speaker 1: talk station. 721, coming up with 722, 55KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: Friday and a happy one to you. Citizen Brad Winsor,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: former congressman, still doctor, and still very, very involved in
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: matters of government on his committees and his consultation jobs.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to pivot over because you serve your
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: country proudly. You're a veteran and I appreciate your service.
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the situation, Russia and Ukraine,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: before we get to the Middle East, to the extent
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: we dive into that this morning. I get the sense that,
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  Speaker 1: and I think this is a reasonable presumption, assumption, presumption,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: or at least, you know, Donald Trump seems like he
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: wants to normalize relations with Russia. I mean, that's kind
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: of like the ultimate goal on this. He's not harsh
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: and overly critical of Russia, and they're in the middle
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: of this conflict with Ukraine, and you can go through
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: the reasons why they got in there, and I understand them,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: but moving Russia away from their connection with China and
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: the other evil forces in the world, I think they
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: probably just want irregular economy and ability to participate with
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world. And they're not the former
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Soviet Union. They're, I don't know, they're just sort of
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: like corrupt criminal enterprise, more like the mafia system of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: government in Russia. I mean, your characterization. Go ahead, Brad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, Putin said years ago when the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Berlin Wall fell and they released all those other countries
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: to be their own country again, He said that was
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: the biggest geopolitical mistake we could have made. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he wants that back. He's always wanted that back. And
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: he doesn't like the NATO creep, of course, because some
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: of those countries are now in NATO. And that bothers him.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: And he's who he is, powerful and wants more power.
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  Speaker 1: And you think he's living in the past like so
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: many people that still think the Cold War is going on?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. And he wants the old Soviet Union. He wants
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: that type of control. So you've got that, and that's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: what we know about him. But he has managed a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: way to stay in power, regardless of whatever their election
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: rules are. It's always going to be Putin, as long
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: as he's alive, seemingly. So that's a problem. Now think
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: about how this happened. He wants the institutional creep of
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: Russian control over other areas, other countries. He's got Belarus.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: They're bought in with him. Their leadership is... You know, pro-Russian.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Pro-Russian.
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  Speaker 5: But it was under the Obama administration that he marched
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: into Crimea, which is a valuable piece of Ukraine. You know,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: it's on the water. It's got a lot going for it.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: And he just marched into there under Obama. Nothing happened.
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  Speaker 5: What Obama did to try and say he's helping Ukraine
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: is he provided them with MREs, meals ready to eat,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: and blankets. Then along comes Donald Trump. Donald Trump starts
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: giving them weapons. You know, he had that first term.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: He's given javelins and stingers and this and that. Did
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Russia move any more under that first administration? No, they
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: did not. No, they did not. Then along comes Joe Biden.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: And Joe Biden says, well, a little excursion into Ukraine
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: is fine with me. And like, really? You've come out
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: and said that? And so. the time was right. You know,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: he saw how we left Afghanistan, this and that. He's like,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: time to go, move on in. I don't think he
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: knew that the Ukrainians were pretty much ready to take
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: them on for a long, long time in spite of
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: many losses. And you would think that Russia would be
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: able to overpower Ukraine, but they haven't been able to.
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  Speaker 5: So now we've got this real mess and now Donald
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: Trump's back in.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: You know, and he keeps inheriting these things that people
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: need to remember that This was under the Obama administration
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: and the Biden administration that the real activity took place.
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  Speaker 5: And now he's in a position where, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: wants peace. You saw the Abraham Accords in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Things that happened. He can tout several peace agreements that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: he's brokered. He wants peace in this world.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you say that, and I know in
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: my heart of hearts he really does, but then there
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: are people screaming at the radio, why in the hell
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: did he bomb the Iranians in that initial campaign? Why
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: are we involved in another what appears to be forever
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: war in the Middle East, which unleashed this terrible gas
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: crisis and all the problems that are associated with the Australia-Hormuz?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can't have it both ways.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: But at least insofar as what I perceive with Russia,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and he's getting a lot of criticism for it, he's
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: trying to play at least somewhat fair. I mean, do
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: you see that at all in his actions and in
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: his efforts with Russia?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, let me just say there's always so
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: much more going on in those talks than you will
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: ever know. And there's so many pieces of the puzzle
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: that it's hard to come out smelling like a rose, right?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sympathetic to Vladimir Putin. I know
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: he's a murderer. I know he's a criminal.
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  Speaker 5: I get all that.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what? We deal with murderous criminals all
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: across the globe. Sadly, these people always end up in
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: power some way. We can't change that dynamic, but do
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: we need to go to war with it? Do they
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: really represent a true threat to our friends and allies
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: that remain in the European Union, even though they're incapable
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: of conquering one little, tiny, non-NATO country we call Ukraine?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: It's been five years, Brad. What kind of threat can
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: they possibly present to the U.K.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they have nuclear weapons.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Ah, but let's pause on that. No, because apparently no
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: one who has them will use them. And everybody says, no,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: the Iranians will if they get them. I kind of
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: wonder out loud about that, too. Let's get more with Brad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of questions.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: A lot, and probably will remain. It's 7.32. This is
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: the Talk Station. Brian Thomas with Citizen Brad Wenstrup in
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: the studio, former congressman. Proudly served his country, and he
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: is a physician, and he's still actively involved in matters political.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Having just come back from D.C., continuing this discussion about
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: the wars. The nuclear weapon thing is a question mark
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: to me, swirling, because mutually assured destruction has kept the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: world from seeing another nuclear, at least retaliatory or offensively.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think, with the exception of World War II
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: and us, no one has ever used, as a first-strike matter,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Now, one could argue that it was retaliatory of World
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: War II because we've been getting the crap bombed out
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: of us by the Japanese for several years up to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: that point. But you get the idea. So the world
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: has sort of recognized the devastating genocidal reality of nuclear weapons.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be the first one to use it
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: because they're, of course, going to be on the receiving
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: end of the retaliatory nuclear strikes. Nuclear one or whatever
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: bad would happen to that. Folks say, though, that the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Iranians will absolutely use it if they get one. Now,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want them to get one, hell no, but
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: obviously it's a little bit of a challenge to try
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: to blow up these facilities that are presumably making them
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: or working toward it when they're underground so far. We tried,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: and by all accounts, maybe we did a lot of damage,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: but everyone keeps saying that nuclear material is still there
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: and nobody knows what's left of the facilities and their
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: manufacturing capabilities. So where does this leave us, Brad?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I don't have any doubt in my
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: mind that they will try to reconstitute anything that was destroyed.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: And maybe some of it wasn't destroyed. This is where
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: they are. But they are fixated on it, Brian. I mean,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: it's not just like, hey, should we consider trying to
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: get nukes? No, they are totally fixated.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Well, like North Korea was for so long. And by
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: all accounts, guess what? They've got one now.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: And I haven't seen the little evil dictator dropping bombs yet.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Not that it won't happen in the future, but it
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: does provide them with. And this is what I think
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: every country in the world wants.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: The.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Sort of protection that having a nuclear device gives them
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: from having bombs getting dropped on them. It's a frightening reality.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: If that seems to be the only thing, you know,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: we don't go launching drone strikes on Russian, evil Russian
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: people that we know happen to be harmful actors, right?
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: We don't blow up the Chinese people who are spying
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: on us or maybe otherwise involved in some criminal activity.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: No, but those people aren't jihadists. That's one of the differences.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: You know, it was a suicide bomber when we left Afghanistan.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: It's part of that culture that it's okay to die
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: because you're going right to heaven. You're getting all your delights.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: That's what they believe. If you are in the process
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: of killing the infidels. And who are they? Americans, Jews,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: really pretty much everybody else. And so that's where they are.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: That's their mindset. You know, we see in our country
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: this indoctrination thing. It's taken place in our education system
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: of Marxism. And now you see the results of it.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: You know, you see it on the streets. You're seeing
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: it in elections. You know, this is what they've done there.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: And they've done it with an iron fist, too, because
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: either you're in or we'll gun you down in the streets.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: You know, that's the mentality that they have. I don't
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: think they are sitting around thinking about the future of
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: the world. They have to deal with economics because that's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: the only way they can carry out their missions. And
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: this is certainly what the IRGC is about. So you
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: have in Iran the components that maybe come and negotiate,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: and maybe they're considered the political leaders, but the IRGC.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Is in charge.
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  Speaker 5: You can see that.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Well, clearly that, yes.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: Bought in and killing other people does not matter to
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: them so that's the world we're living in today so
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: how do we go about thwarting that this is different
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: than world war ii or anything else like that you
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: know but i mean but even the japanese they had
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: their kamikazes they were willing to to go that route.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: And when you have an enemy like that, it's a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: really difficult thing to manage. So if they do get nukes,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: they may be the first since the United States to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: go out and use them and say, we need to
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: do this because these people are just horrible in the world,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: and we have this religious fervor behind us. And with that,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: that comes a lot of Work ideas.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: And let us assume, for the sake of discussion, you're 100% accurate,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: and all the people who say Iran, if they get
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: a nuke, will absolutely use it. We're still left with
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: the burning problem. How do you prevent them from doing it?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Are we going to have to launch an all-out kinetic war?
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Are we going to have to have boots on the ground?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Places two and a half times the size of Texas.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Brian, if you consider, and look, Donald Trump has said,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: no nukes. And that's really been the mantra, although the
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: Obama administration took a different route with that and Biden
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: really didn't do anything. He's saying they cannot get a
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: nuclear weapon. OK, he feels that strongly. He's made that
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: very clear. If they were a month or two close
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: to having it. That's when Israel and the United States
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: went to work. Because Israel. Because it's going to pause it.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: It's going to set them back. And it clearly has.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question in my mind that it set
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: them back. And their economy is in a state of shambles.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: They're already out of all the oil they had in reserves.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: They have nothing else to sell. And I guess it's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: a question of this battle of attrition we're currently in now,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: which I would argue is better than at boots on
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: the ground fighting war with those crazy people.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: We don't want that.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: We're going to have to deal with the economic realities
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: of the battle of attrition. and wait that out and
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: see if it ultimately collapses the Iranian economy.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: And if we get intelligence that they're getting close again?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: That's when the bombs start dropping again, yes.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: And it seems like we have pretty good intelligence because
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you, the attacks that we rendered in that
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: summer were pretty surgical.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just I don't think it really quite brought
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: about the result that Trump and Netanyahu were looking for
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: when they decapitated the Iranian regime. It's like, well, there's
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people that are more than willing
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: to fill those positions in the aftermath of that. Don't
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: go away. More with Citizen Brad Wenstrup. I'm really enjoying this.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: I hope the listening audience is as well. Trying to
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: figure out the world. Dispense with traffic and weather for
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: the purpose of getting more from former Congressman Brad Wenstrup.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: We learned something during COVID, Congressman Wenstrup, former Congressman Wenstrup,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: and you are a doctor and you are still involved
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: with medical elements involved in government and decision making. We
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: figured out during COVID, although we knew it, just didn't
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: pay any attention to it. I think I can say
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: almost without any hesitation that virtually all Pharmaceutical manufacturing left
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: the United States of America for foreign clients, most notably China.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: China took over manufacturing of pharmaceuticals.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: Of generics.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Generics.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of generics primarily. And they did it very, I
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: want to say stealth, but it really wasn't stealth. We
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: just let it happen. We turned everything over to them.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: But they started in 1950. In the 1950s, they started
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: talking about, let's take over the pharmaceutical world. How do
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: we do that? They were able to have the things
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: that we need to make medicines and they can do
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: it cheaply. You know, we talk about them having slave
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: labor and this and that. We might want to say
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: to ourselves, I'll pay another dollar more for my prescription
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: to keep it domestic so that China doesn't use slave labor.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: You know, we used to talk about things like that more.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: It was high on the radar that this is terrible.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: You know, they use slave labor and children or whatever.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: But they've done this now. Very calculated. So one of
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: the things I'm working on in a lot of regions
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: is trying to bring our medicines back home. So what
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: does that involve? First of all, China's at war. We
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: have to realize we need to respond to them being
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: at war. If you cut off our medicines... We got
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: people dying within months.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Or if they hack into our grid of any form,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: that's going to kill people as well. I mean, that
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: could be more devastating than a nuclear bomb if you
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: cut off the electricity grid by hacking.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: Cyber is another component of their war with us. So
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: we have groups now that scientists, I'm working with one group,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: MIT people, that they're down in Georgia, a company that's
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: called Manus. They can make the key starting materials for
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: 50-some medications. You have to start with what's called the KSMs.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: Then you make the active pharmaceutical ingredient from that, the API.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: They can do this synthetically in the lab from corn.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: That's a win-win for the United States, a win-win for
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: the Midwest, that's for sure.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Better than putting it in my gas tank. Exactly.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: So you can take corn and create these things and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: make the products here. working with some people in the
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: pharmaceutical industry where they say, you know, we have extra
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: lab space. So if we can get this, let's do
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: this here. And we'll start to make more of these
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: generic medicines here and secure ourselves more so than what
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: we're in the process of now. But they've always been cheaper, right?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: And that's why everyone went that way. So this is
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: something that they've been doing for long. The AI race
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: is real. And what I know of things, when you
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: talk about the data centers, that is the AI race.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: This is the race to the moon. This is even
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: more than the race to the moon.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Much so.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: Because this is very, very important in so many ways
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: for our expertise, our knowledge, all of these things. So
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: you have these data centers popping up, and then all
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: of a sudden you have people saying, we have to
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: take them down. Where is that influence coming from?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was in an event with Secretary Kennedy
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: in Cleveland about three months ago. I moderated. I asked
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: him questions. This is all on health. And then we
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: let the audience ask questions. And a woman stood up,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: and she was very livid. She said, you need to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: shut these down. They're causing asthma in children.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, here we go.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, why have I not heard this?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Because she pulled it out of her sphincter in terms
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: of an argument.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: Well, or somebody planted it in her head.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: Same concept.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: At least one is a false but original thought. The
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: other one is generated by some idiot in China who's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: trying to influence people to go out and protest something
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: that we already have and is not going away and
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: that we must dominate or destroy. we give up the
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: control of the future to a foreign country that is
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: hostile to us.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: And we know social media is infiltrated with foreign influence.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: So Secretary Kennedy, I see him kind of baffled by that.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: But he says, hey, if this was a problem, I
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: am certainly interested in it, and we would want to
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: rectify that. But I haven't heard that. So the next day,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: I'm doing a search, right? Where is this coming from?
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: And I find one article, and it's from a group that,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: poses themselves as health equity, social justice. And I'm reading
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: this article that's saying that it's causing asthma, but there's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: no data there.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: There's no data.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: No footnote, no reference citation, no learned medical treatise, nothing.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: Well, here's what they say. Well, they're going to use
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: so much energy, we're obviously going to burn more fossil fuels,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: and that's going to happen. Heck, that energy can come
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: in 50 miles away from the data center. God. You know,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: what in the world? But this is what happens. And
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: it's growing. And now, unfortunately, you see this in the election.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: People are using it. You've seen the commercials. We didn't
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: ask for this data center. I don't know where that
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: guy lives who's in that commercial. That desk is in
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: the middle of nowhere, it looks like. And he's nowhere
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: near there. But we did ask for those data centers.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: We did ask for them to come to Ohio.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: The left hates anything that spoils the land unless it's
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: giant windmill farms and solar panel farms, which is equally
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: awful to look at and destroy the land as equally
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: as a smaller footprint. Let's say oil rig. That actually
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: does something for us.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: But the jobs that come from this?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Data center construction jobs are amazing.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's unbelievable. And it's by the thousands. And then
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: you couple that with the people that will actually work there.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: And we're winning this sort of arms race over China
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: when we do this.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and solution to the problem, people know I'm going
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: to say it, there's no power generation problem. We just
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: let them bring their own small modular reactor.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: And they're doing that too.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: And they're doing that too. Another reason AI should be embraced,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: because it will bring us the small modular reactors that
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: we have been denied through stupid people believing stupid things
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: about nuclear power generation. 748 coming up with 749. One
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: more with citizens. 752-55-KRCD Talk Station. Brian Thomas here with
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: citizen Brad Wenstrup. And elections coming up. You know that,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: don't you? And I've got Vivek Ramaswamy coming up in
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: the next hour. Brad, he's going to be on after
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Magistrate Susan Lucan, who's trying to run for juvenile court
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: judge and kick out Judge Bloom, who's been disastrous for
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: the county in terms of juvenile crime. Any thoughts on
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: the election as we get ready to part company today, Brad?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never been good at predicting these things, and
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: the polls never seem to be right either.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: They're getting worse.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: They're far off.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Nobody's answering the phones anymore. Everybody sees a number that
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: they don't recognize. They know not to pick it up.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, online polls are worthless because, you know, you can't...
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: statistically sample online. So go ahead.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: So we'll see what happens. You know, it's out there. But,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: you know, it's really interesting within the Democrat Party because
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: I know some true old school Democrats that are like, oh,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: my gosh, we're being burdened by this Democrat socialist group thing.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: And we'll see what happens. But I think some of
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: them that are running, you know, I think that the
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: party itself, the old school party, you know, feels like, well,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: maybe we can bring them back into the fold, you know,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: once they get elected. So, you know, we'll put up
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: with it. Let's get them elected. They're in there now
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: and they're in the race now. So get them elected.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: See if we can change them. But I'm telling you.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: They'll get primary to the next one. The Democrats will
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: eat them alive and there'll be nothing left but socialists,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: nothing left but socialists.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: And it's ingrained. I mean, there are more and more
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: facts coming out about the indoctrination in colleges. It doesn't
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: matter what the course is. They somehow find a way.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: It could be calculus. They find some way of bringing
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: that into a socialist society and educating people in that way,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: and they leave college that way. And you and I
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: have friends whose children have gone through it and they
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: come back from college and they're not the same person.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, my son was smart enough to just quit.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: There's that too.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: He's smart enough to learn on his own. And he
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: knew that. And that's why he said he quit. I
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: don't need to be in these stupid classes where I'm
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: not really learning anything. And you're making me take a
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: bunch of stupid things in order to get a degree
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: that I don't need to survive in life, you know,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: and bully for him. And yeah, my daughter, Able to
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: go to Ohio State. Pretty much got a good chunk
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: of it during COVID. She wasn't struggling to deal with
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: all the woke professors screaming at her about leftism. It's like,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: here's the course material.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: And how bad America is.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: And how bad America is.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: You know what? Look at our history in reality. We're
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: not a bad place. Right.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: And for all you DSA liners out there, the socialists,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: people who want to grab those evil billionaires and take
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: their money from them, look at France. That's what they did.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: They went down that road. They tried to deliver on
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: every promise that the Abdul El-Sayeds are running on in
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: this country, and it ruined them. California, same type of thing.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Let's tax the billionaires. Well, you know, I open the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: show every morning. See you down in Arizona Bay. Maybe
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: that will come about someday as well. And I'm kidding.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I don't mean it seriously. Brad. 805, fast approaching 806
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: here at 55KRC, the talk station. Brian Thomas here, host
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: of the 55KRC Morning Show, welcoming you back to the
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: 55KRC Morning Show. We are on a mission collectively here
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: in Hamilton County. What we need to do is replace
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: the current juvenile court judge, Bloom, with someone better, and
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: that person is Magistrate Susan Lukin. You can find her online,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: her website, lukinforjuvenilecourt.com, and she says it out loud right
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: out front, Hamilton County Juvenile Court is broken. Welcome back,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Susan Lukin. It's a pleasure to have you back on
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: the morning show.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Brian.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be back.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we do have a problem with youth violence. To
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: the extent nobody's gotten a memo on that, I find
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: that hard to believe. But yeah, problem with youth violence. Oh,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: my word. And we have a revolving door of justice
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: in the juvenile court. Apparently, Magistrate Bloom's practice and policies
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: in her court and as I guess across the entire
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: juvenile court is to treat these juvenile offenders as if
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: they have done nothing. Slap on the wrist. I like
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: to joke about it and saying like you get a
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: juice and a cookie and you're sent on your way.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: But my presumption is that a child who's regularly involved
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: with juvenile crime apparently doesn't have any discipline, morals, or ethics,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: and that comes from the home. So that's where the
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: juvenile court can come in and save that child from
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: a devastatingly awful future.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: It's really interesting, Brian. So since I was on last,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: I've had the occasion to sit across the table from
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 6: Judge Blum. So the Cincinnati Bar Association had a judicial
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: forum following their judicial polling. We had a chance to
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: talk about those judicial results, which can be found on
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: the Cincinnati Bar Association's website, which were really interesting. But
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: one of the questions that the moderator posed to the
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: judicial candidates was, what are the biggest challenges facing your
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: court or the court that you're running for? And I,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 6: of course, talked about juvenile crime. And when it was
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 6: Judge Bloom's turn to talk about juvenile court, she didn't
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 6: even mention juvenile crime. And Channel 12 interviewed both of
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: us for a segment that they do called Around the Podium.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: And they aired a piece of that earlier this week.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 6: And Judge Bloom, in talking about juvenile crime, said that
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  Speaker 6: she thinks that all the criticism that's been directed against
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  Speaker 6: her is really just political rhetoric. she doesn't apparently think
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: that juvenile crime is really a problem. And even though
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  Speaker 6: she acknowledged that by not detaining these kids, that there
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 6: is a possibility. And she acknowledges that when we don't
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: detain them, that their environment is conducive at times to
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 6: committing crimes and even sometimes being victimized, that it's conducive
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: to finding guns, to having access to guns. And she
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: would agree that there's pressure for those kids to get
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 6: into trouble. So she acknowledges that these kids are in
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: these environments and that they're returning to these environments where
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: this is happening, but she just doesn't believe it's a
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: deterrent and she doesn't believe in, in using detention that way.
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  Speaker 6: And that may, that may be true for, you know,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: kids who are committing really low level or first time offenders,
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  Speaker 6: but that's a real problem when we're talking about youth
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  Speaker 6: who are committing repeat violent offenses.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's, therein lies the challenge. And of course you,
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  Speaker 1: You have a terrible environment for the kids. The pressure
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, they're surrounded by a criminal element.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: So a child choosing whether to succumb to the pressure
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: to engage in criminal activity or not also is dealing
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: with the painful reality. And they all apparently know about
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: these young people that there's not going to be any
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: harm befallen them. There's not going to be any punishment.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: There aren't going to be any consequences should they get
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: caught by the authorities.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: There are no consequences. There are no consequences at home.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: No consequences, no accountability in the system. There's no check
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: on it. And it just, and again, the real problem
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: is where it comes to these repeat violent offenders. And
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: we're seeing these tragic consequences. I mean, just this week,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: there was another juvenile shot in Clifton. And I haven't
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: seen any reports in terms of who was charged with
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: that or if anyone was charged with that. So I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: don't know who was responsible and what their ages were,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 6: but we know that it was a juvenile victim.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the idea that they have guns and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: quite often the response from the left is get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the guns, but juveniles, it's not lawful for a
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: juvenile to possess a gun in the first place. How
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: would you transform the court? I mean, you note that
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: it's broken. We need to stop the revolving door, as
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: you pointed out. We need to get these children involved
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: in a system that is hopefully going to help them
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: and take them out of that cycle of violence. So
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: what are the primary challenges you face when, I hope,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: you get elected for this role?
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  Speaker 6: Well, we've talked about this before. When I was there
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: as a magistrate, all cases involving firearms were put on
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 6: the judge's docket. And so we have got to start
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: treating cases involving firearms more seriously. Cases involving serious, you know,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: repeat violent offenses, cases involving Repeat probation violations need to
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 6: be placed on the judge's docket. I would also review
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: what's called the unofficial docket or a diversion docket. And
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: those policies, whatever is going on there, the process needs
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: to be transparent. People need to understand what's going on.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 6: Victims and law enforcement need to have a voice in that.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: And there's no reason why the process shouldn't be transparent.
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  Speaker 4: So cases in.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 6: Juvenile court are typically not open to the public. Individual
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 6: cases aren't, but there's absolutely no reason why that shouldn't
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: be a transparent process. So there is a place for diversion,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 6: but that process needs to be understood and scrutinized. So
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: there are a number of different things that need to happen.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: We've talked about the abuse and neglect cases too. Children
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: should not be languishing in foster care. And she did
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: acknowledge that. in the CBA forum that there may be
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: an issue with that. Of course she blamed, I think
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: she blamed chain, you know, problems at the federal level
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: for that.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Did Trump's name come up by any chance?
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 6: She didn't actually bring up Trump's name, but she said
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: because of, of cuts in Medicaid or Medicare, she said
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: essentially families are really struggling and therefore, you know, there's
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: more abuse happening in homes. So, That was essentially the
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 6: line of thinking. And that's what she said. And I
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: suppose that in her mind that has resulted in an
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: increase in abuse and neglect cases. And so they're struggling
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: with the caseload over there. I had an adoption where
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 6: the magistrate, one of the magistrates that was appointed in
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: her administration, under her administration, had gotten the case law
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 6: wrong twice in an abuse and neglect case. And it
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: was held up in the Court of Appeals twice. So
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: it wasn't because of cuts, federal cuts. It's because a
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 6: magistrate got the case all wrong. An abuse and neglect
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: case was held up and couldn't get over to probate
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 6: court for an adoption. So, and again, we're seeing cases
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: that are being held up just a crazy amount of time,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: four to six years before they can come over. And
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: we've talked about this before, when those abuse and neglect
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 6: cases are held up in juvenile court, that results in
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 6: just all kinds of harm to children. That results in
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 6: more services for mental health, for behavioral issues. That's just
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 6: so damaging to children when they can't be placed in
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 6: homes that they should be placed in.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, and might send them on their own future
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: cycle of violence. We know that this happens generationally, don't we?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, exactly. Yeah, and it results in an increase
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 6: in cost to the children's services levy, which is on
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 6: the ballot.
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  Speaker 1: And there's that as well. Magistrate Lukin, it's lukinforjuvenilecourt.com. My
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: wife and I gave you a check. We were supportive
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: of your campaign.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: Yes, you did.
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  Speaker 4: I really appreciate that.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not looking for adulation or praise. I'm just
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: reminding my listening audience, is it too late for yard sign?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: Is it too late for campaign contributions? TikTok, the clock
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: is running down, Magistrate Lukin.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's not. In fact, there are some yard signs.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 6: If folks go to vote early, there are a number
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: of people who are working at the BOE, so at
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: the Board of Elections. There are some wonderful people who
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: are helping out, working there every day. They have yard
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: signs there. So if you stop by, you can pick
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: up the pink sample ballot. You can pick up the
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: yard sign. They are working there every day. It's beautiful
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: weather to go and vote early if that's what you're
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: inclined to do. Um, and you know, it's, I, I
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 6: did that yesterday. I thought it, I know I'm going
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: to be really, really busy on election day.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah. Yeah.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: So, and the party is working really hard on trying
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: to get the sample ballot out. So, um, you're going
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: to see hopefully some of that stuff coming either through
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: the mail or, um, possibly I think through some text
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 6: messages too. So Josh Gerth, our party chair has done
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: a tremendous job on working really hard for our local slate,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 6: he's just done a great job.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and my listening audience can take it upon themselves.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Just go to the Hamilton County Republican Party website, print
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: out the sample ballot, print out your pink slip, and
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: make sure you vote for the judges on the Hamilton
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: County Republican Party pink slip. It includes, of course, magistrate
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: looking for juvenile court so we can stop the revolving door,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: protect the most vulnerable children, and, of course, bring about
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: some safety through accountability. Where did I read those words? Oh,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: that's right. Lookingforjuvenilecourt.com is where I read them. Magistrate Lukin,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: I wish you all the luck in the world, the best.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: I hope you win the election on behalf of the
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati and Hamilton County for the benefit of
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: the children in our community and our safety at large.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: You're a safe bet in that, and I'm really hoping
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: we have that result when we wake up on Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: morning in November.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you, Brian. I really appreciate it.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Stay strong and fingers crossed. Vivek Ramaswamy. And
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: I don't find that to be relevant to the qualifications
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: to be governor of the state of Ohio. Welcome back
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: to the program, Vivek Ramaswamy. It's a pleasure having you on, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Good to be on, Brian. We're traveling around the state
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: and we're ready to win this election. Let's do it.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: Let's do it. And I don't understand why there should
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: be any difficulty in people reaching a conclusion. You are
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: demonstrably more qualified than Amy Acton for the job. Look
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: at the resume. Look at the credentials. Look at her
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: background and job experience. I I guess I wonder why
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: there's even a question swirling around this. Vivek, can you
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: address that or maybe approach it in a way that
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: you find better? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to. I mean, the bottom line, Brian, is
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: they're lying about an ad that is about lying. That
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: is the ultimate irony here because the ad says nothing
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: about what they're claiming it says. The ad says that
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: she does have a serial track record of lying and
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: she has a serial track record of not having the
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: qualifications needed to lead. And the people closest to her
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: have said it. OK, you have every association, the doctors
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: of the state of Ohio, their association has said it.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: And other people closer have said the same thing. And,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: you know, look, I think voters deserve to hear that.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: This is the move that the woke left likes to make. OK,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: and they want us to bend the knee and we
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: cannot bend the knee to their tactic. Their tactic is
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: that we set the terms of the debate. Now you
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: play on our field. So what do they say? We
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: put an ad about dishonesty. They deflect from that and
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: talk about something the ad had nothing to do with.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: They're the ones weaponizing the issue of childhood abuse as
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: a political strategy to deflect from their own accountability. And
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: then they say, now you have to play in our field,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: bend the knee. I refuse to bend the knee. And
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: I talked about this in Woke Inc., the first book.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: This is what they do on the transgender issue. They
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: say that it is abuse if you leave a child
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: trapped in– anatomical body that's not theirs, well, then you
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: must therefore allow those surgeries in minors. They play this
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: trick over and over again. And it is important that
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: conservatives not fall for the trap. I trust our voters
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: to see right through it. The media is playing right
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: along in this game. And if you think about it,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: you don't have to think twice. If this were the
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: same shoe fitting the other foot with President Trump or
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: a Republican or me, they would be promoting it as
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: a front page story rather than criticizing it as a
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: front page story. Our voters are smart. They know that.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: They understand it. But it reminds us it's a doubly
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: important reason to show up and vote, because this will
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: be the Orwellian world we live in if we, God forbid,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: let the left come back to power in our state.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: That's why people need to get back out and vote.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: And on a positive note, I'm going to be the
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: one who's able to lead the state in a positive
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: direction with the skills that a governor actually needs to
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: fight for the people of this state.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: No question about it. I had Brad Wenstrup in the
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: studio last hour, former congressman. He just got back from D.C.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: and I off-air had asked him about the state of D.C.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: And he said, it is clean. There's virtually no crime whatsoever.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: And he said, the National Guard's there. You can see them.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: And it's resulted in so much more order. And ignoring
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: whether or not that's a great idea, it has brought
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: about the result that was intended. But then he pivoted
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: over and he said, Brian, can you imagine Amy Acton
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: being in charge of Ohio's Guard? And I just like, oh, great.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: You just added to the horror of horrors. What level
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: of competence does she have for even that component of
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: the job? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And look, the truth of the matter is this is
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: not just theoretical fun and games. OK, this is a
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: consequential decision that's going to impact 12 million people. millions
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: of families across our state. We're the seventh largest state
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: in the country with a $ 100 billion budget. We have
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: property taxes that we have to deliver next year and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: really make the budget work for that. We have Medicaid waste, fraud,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: and abuse that we have to prosecute. We have to
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: also work with local law enforcement, including in Cincinnati, to
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: clean up the streets and ensure that our communities and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: our cities are safe for families. Lives hang in the balance.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: There are tough questions about even the death penalty to
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: how you prosecute Medicaid fraud. These are weighty decisions. And
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: the idea of putting someone who you would never hire
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: for even an entry level business role, putting them in
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: charge of this state, that is an unthinkable idea. But
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: the good news is, Brian, I'm confident not only are
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: we going to win this, we will be able to
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: lead Ohio to be the top state in the country
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: because we have a lot that's going for us if
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: we have the right leader at the top. And I
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: do believe that the number one issue that matters in
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: this election is how do we put more money into
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: people's bank accounts? How do we put more money into
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: your pockets? We know how to do that. Lower property taxes,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: put more energy on the grid, bring down those electric bills,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: prosecute the Medicaid fraud, bring back those health care dollars
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: to the people who are actually needing it. And if
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: we're able to do those things, build more homes for
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: young people by cutting red tape, bring down home affordability,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: That is something that will improve the quality of life
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: of people in this state, Republican, Democrat, and everything in between.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to fight for. And I know
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: we can make a difference there, Brian, starting next year.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: And what we need our true patriots and conservative voters
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: and really all pro-common sense voters across the state to
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: do is to get out and vote. Do not fall
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: for the media's trap. Do not fall for the media's lies.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: They are in this to, you know, really fight against us.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: And I think that we can't accept that. We have
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: to cut through their lies and we have to stand
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: for what is true. And that's what we're asking people
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: to do. Get out and vote. If conservatives vote in
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: this state, we're going to be successful in leading Ohio
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: to be the conservative state we should be. The envy
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: of Texas and Florida, I hope, very soon, by this
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: time next year.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of optimism you will deliver to the
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: office for the benefit of every person in the state,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: regardless of political stripe. Vivek4Ohio. com. Praying for you, sir. Thank
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: you for your time. And my understanding is we'll be
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: talking again next week, and I'm looking forward to that
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: discussion as well. We'll talk on Monday.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: We'll be on as much as you'll have me, Brian,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: between now and Election Day, because this is too important.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: Our kids' future, our grandkids' future depends on it. And
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: now is the moment. This is the moment we ask,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: are you willing to stand for your country and your
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: kids and your grandkids? Not by fighting a revolution like
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: our founders did 250 years ago. All we have to
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: do is get out and vote. And so if we
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: do that, we defend this country, and I'll be on
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: every day you'll have me to talk to our people
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: to tell them what we need to do together to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: save the state.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something Mike DeWine never chooses to do here
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: on the 55 KRC Morning Show. Vivek4Ohio. com. We'll have him
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: on as often as he wants to be and wants
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: to be on. And then after he's governor, I'm sure
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: he'll avail himself to the format to let him know
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: what's going on in the state of Ohio while he's governor.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: God bless you, sir. Fingers crossed. Prayer is your direction.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: And please, listening audience, heed his suggestion. Get out and vote. Vivek,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: have a wonderful weekend. We'll talk again Monday, 829. Jack
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: Windsor from the Ohio Press Network. We'll continue the discussion
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: on this topic coming up next. This is 55KRC. Here
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• 1:58:39
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• 1:58:44
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• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: you on the program. Good to see you this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Brian, good to see you. Always good to see
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  Speaker 4: you and Joe. Thanks for choosing me today.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, happy to. And I know you've been following this
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: whole Amy Acton thing, and it saddens my heart to
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  Speaker 1: know that the whole dominant discussion is no longer who's
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: more qualified for the job, but people's response and reaction
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  Speaker 1: to this ad involving Amy Acton's mom, who accused her
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  Speaker 1: of being a serial liar. And Vivek Ramaswamy is just
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  Speaker 1: on talking about that. And he'll be on the program
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  Speaker 1: regularly between now and election day. And I just find
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  Speaker 1: him so much, I mean, objectively, you don't, Republican, Democrat,
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  Speaker 1: you put the resumes in front of you and you
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: compare them. There is no question who is more competent
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  Speaker 1: for this role. And I, you know, as a libertarian, little,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: little libertarian guy, you know, if I'm looking at something and,
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  Speaker 1: The Republican candidate has this crappy resume, and I'm looking
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: at a Democrat candidate who has lots of business success
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  Speaker 1: and has been around for a long time and has
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  Speaker 1: proven him or herself to be a valuable person in
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  Speaker 1: life generally. I would have to capitulate and say, why
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  Speaker 1: did the Republicans run this person? I mean, here we are.
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  Speaker 1: This is like dusting off Kamala Harris and just throwing
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  Speaker 1: her out as a warm body to run for governor
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  Speaker 1: of the state of Ohio.
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  Speaker 7: Jack?
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  Speaker 4: You know, Brian, there's so much here. I know. the
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  Speaker 4: first thing is, you know, I came out of the
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  Speaker 4: gate for, and let me just qualify everything I'm about
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  Speaker 4: to say. I might be one of the few people
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  Speaker 4: in the state of Ohio who actually saw the commercial
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  Speaker 4: on TV. It wasn't a TV ad. It was on
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  Speaker 4: a streaming device. So the rules are different, but I
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  Speaker 4: actually saw it Monday night on Paramount plus sitting with
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  Speaker 4: my wife. And I looked at her and I went, wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So there's Amy's mom. And you know, What struck me
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  Speaker 4: the next day, I posted the video and my initial
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  Speaker 4: thought was exactly what Amy Acton's mom said is that
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  Speaker 4: Amy Acton is a serial fabulous. She's lied a lot
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  Speaker 4: in her life. And what's really interesting to me, and
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  Speaker 4: we can talk about this if you want, is the
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  Speaker 4: way that going back to your comment about Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 4: and those types of candidates, Amy Acton largely hides in
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  Speaker 4: her basement like Joe Biden. And you go, well, how
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  Speaker 4: can she win an election doing that way? This example
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  Speaker 4: right here is how. Now, people will say the ad
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  Speaker 4: was about sexual abuse. I say the ad is about
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  Speaker 4: her mom calling her a serial liar.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on. Real quick, let me just interject, because
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  Speaker 1: the ad isn't about sexual abuse. I did not know
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  Speaker 1: about those allegations before this ad issue came up. I
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  Speaker 1: was looking at it, Hulk, I mean, initial reaction with
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  Speaker 1: no background information, and There's nothing in there that even
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  Speaker 1: brings up sexual abuse. So this whole deviation, diversion, look
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  Speaker 1: over there, look over there. I mean, this is all
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  Speaker 1: made up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, here's why. And I just got breaking news.
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  Speaker 4: I've got to go look at it. Apparently, there's some
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  Speaker 4: new information. You'll remember back a couple of months ago
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  Speaker 4: when Amy Acton was at the Mahoning County Fair and
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  Speaker 4: the man that was armed that lunged at her that
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people tried to turn into an assassination attempt.
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  Speaker 4: That was a total nothing burger. Well, if you remember
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  Speaker 4: what happened, the Acton campaign put out a press release
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  Speaker 4: and then the press ran with it. That's problematic because
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  Speaker 4: we have what's called a primacy bias. The first thing
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  Speaker 4: you hear generally shapes your mind around that narrative and
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  Speaker 4: that story. So the press did it there and they
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  Speaker 4: missed the mark. They just did it again. If you
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  Speaker 4: look at what happened, I watched the ad. What I
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  Speaker 4: took away from the ad is Amy Acton's a liar.
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  Speaker 4: She's lying about living in that tent. But the next day,
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  Speaker 4: the press was running with Vivek Ramaswamy brought out Amy
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  Speaker 4: Acton's mom. This is all about sexual abuse. Here's why
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  Speaker 4: that happened. The press got a packet, again, from the
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  Speaker 4: Acton campaign. In that packet was their narrative. In that
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  Speaker 4: packet was a hand-selected number of legal documents. And they've
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  Speaker 4: tried to turn it into, out of the gate, a
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  Speaker 4: sexual abuse commercial. The press ran with it. Everybody's apoplectic
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  Speaker 4: about it. And the reason that that's working is that
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  Speaker 4: the press is limp and impotent. Not one member of
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  Speaker 4: the press, I'm willing to bet my house on this,
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  Speaker 4: went and pulled records by Tuesday morning to check anything out.
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  Speaker 4: They took the packet that Amy Acton's campaign gave to them,
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  Speaker 4: started writing their stories, started talking on air about the
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  Speaker 4: commercial from that lens. It is gross. You want to
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  Speaker 4: talk about disqualifying. I don't know a member of the
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  Speaker 4: press that shouldn't look in the mirror and be damn
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  Speaker 4: embarrassed about how they've handled themselves this entire week.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of like when you take fake polls that were
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  Speaker 1: done as a social experiment, giving you absolute outright lies,
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  Speaker 1: and then publishing them and having an impact on people's
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  Speaker 1: perception of the election, so much so that even a
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  Speaker 1: candidate will drop out of an election. Jack Winslow will
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  Speaker 1: continue this discussion. TheOhioPressNetwork.com. More with Jack on this topic.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go away. 55KRC, the talk station. 839-55KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas here with Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network.
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  Speaker 1: OhioPressNetwork.com is where you find them. And, Jack, let us
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  Speaker 1: continue on the same theme, shall we? There's more out
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: there to unpackage, most notably the double standard that you've
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: written about over at the OhioPressNetwork.com. Hmm, what about that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So Governor Mike DeWine yesterday had a, maybe it
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  Speaker 4: was an informal press gaggle at the state house and
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  Speaker 4: addressing members of the press. He talked about this ad
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  Speaker 4: and said on its face, it's deeply, deeply troubling. But
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  Speaker 4: when you know the rest of the story, when you
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  Speaker 4: know the backstory, he went on to talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we'll talk about the backstory later and what he
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  Speaker 4: thinks he knows, what he knows and How does he
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  Speaker 4: know that? But he didn't know that Amy Acton had
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  Speaker 4: the police called to her house in 2019. But I digress.
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  Speaker 4: But here's the issue with that. He started talking about
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  Speaker 4: his days as a prosecutor and how it's important to
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  Speaker 4: protect children, particularly children who were abused. Brian, I think
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  Speaker 4: we all agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: My question for Governor Mike DeWine is, where was he
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  Speaker 4: about a week and a half ago when the Acton
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  Speaker 4: campaign went to work On a commercial that Vivek Ramaswamy
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  Speaker 4: had up, his campaign ran a property tax ad. It
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  Speaker 4: was built around a woman. Her name is Patty Edwards.
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  Speaker 4: It was filmed at the Lorain County Fair. Now, her
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  Speaker 4: husband is also in the frame. He shakes Vivek's hand,
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  Speaker 4: and he's in the background with a bunch of other fairgoers.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who thought to do this, but somebody
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  Speaker 4: pulled his background and said this guy was convicted of
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  Speaker 4: gross sexual imposition 20 years ago. And apparently, allegedly, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't get into that file, so I can't speak intelligently
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  Speaker 4: about it. It involved some family members. And so instead
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  Speaker 4: of just letting that go away quietly, the Acton campaign
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  Speaker 4: put out a press release. Amy Acton went on TV
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  Speaker 4: and talked about how Vivek Ramaswamy platformed this pedophile and really,
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  Speaker 4: 20 years later, brought this into the spotlight again. And
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  Speaker 4: probably put the family through the same trauma they went
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  Speaker 4: through 20 years ago. So my question to Governor Mike
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  Speaker 4: DeWine is where the hell were you a week ago?
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  Speaker 4: Why didn't you call a press conference and say, Amy Acton,
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  Speaker 4: you need to stop talking about this as a prosecutor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm worried about these kids who were abused and you're
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  Speaker 4: trying to get one over on your opponent at the
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  Speaker 4: expense of these sexually abused kids is out of bounds.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't do it. And nobody else in the press
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  Speaker 4: is talking about it. That's just one double standard. And
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  Speaker 4: this is really what irks me. We can talk about
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  Speaker 4: the Donna Arthur ad all day long, but until people
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  Speaker 4: start raising hell about the fact you either have a
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  Speaker 4: standard or you don't, and you either have equal justice
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  Speaker 4: under the law or you don't. And when you have
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  Speaker 4: Republican governors applying standards differently to Democrats in the favor
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  Speaker 4: of Democrats over Republicans, I mean, how upside down is
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  Speaker 4: our world right now?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Mike DeWine's governor of the state of Ohio. He's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be a Republican. He was out there pretty
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  Speaker 1: much defending Amy Acton's tenure as medical director, for God's sake.
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  Speaker 1: Amy locked down Acton, who quit the job shortly after
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  Speaker 1: locking us all down. I mean, is he embarrassed that
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  Speaker 1: his hand-selected person turned out to totally screw up? Is
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  Speaker 1: that the reason he feels the need to defend her,
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  Speaker 1: at least outwardly? A Republican governor batting for Amy Acton
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  Speaker 1: when she's in the middle of a race with a
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  Speaker 1: demonstrably superior candidate? Has Governor DeWine really come out strong
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  Speaker 1: for Vivek Ramaswamy? What's his problem with Vivek Ramaswamy in
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  Speaker 1: the first place? Is he afraid that Vivek Ramaswamy is
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  Speaker 1: going to be demonstrably more competent as a governor than
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  Speaker 1: DeWine ever could hope to have been? Perhaps that's it.
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  Speaker 1: He's afraid of his legacy. Not that he has one
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  Speaker 1: to work on, but if Vivek Ramaswamy becomes governor, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to make Mike DeWine look that much worse, Jack.
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  Speaker 4: My question for voters who are fair-minded, right, and I
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  Speaker 4: realize most of us are baked in our minds right
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  Speaker 4: now how we're going to vote, but name a governor
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  Speaker 4: and name a health director that was more catastrophic to
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  Speaker 4: the state of Ohio than Mike DeWine and Amy Acton.
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  Speaker 4: I can't think of one. Amy Acton, our kids are
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  Speaker 4: still suffering from education loss. I talked to business owners
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  Speaker 4: on the regular who lost their companies for good.
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  Speaker 5: People who.
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  Speaker 4: had small companies and they had to be shuttered because
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: Amy Acton and her cronies decided they were non-essential, but
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: you could go do business at a big box store
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  Speaker 4: and that was okay. I mean, she eroded trust in
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  Speaker 4: public health. She created this narrative that if you didn't
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 4: mask up, and by the way, masks didn't work, they
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: still don't work, that you were not protecting grandma. What
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  Speaker 4: she did to the state of Ohio is the most
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  Speaker 4: catastrophic thing I've ever seen from an official elected or
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  Speaker 4: a bureaucrat. And I think that's what Ohioans need to remember.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want this woman? What happens if this Russia
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  Speaker 4: flu takes off? What happens if we have to go
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  Speaker 4: through COVID all over again and Amy Acton's in the
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  Speaker 4: governor's chair? My Lord, can you imagine?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just look at Florida. They came out smelling like
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  Speaker 1: a rose and actually better off than everybody else after
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. And they didn't really lift a finger
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  Speaker 1: to do a whole lot because they looked into what
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  Speaker 1: was capable and what was not. They looked into the
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: science and found out, oh, There are differences of opinion
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  Speaker 1: out there. You know what? We're not going to go
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  Speaker 1: down the lockdown mask road. We're just going to allow
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: people to go about with their lives. And people who
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: are in, well, the chronically ill, those are the ones
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  Speaker 1: we'll focus on because they're the ones most likely to
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  Speaker 1: succumb to the disease. Worked out a lot better. And
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  Speaker 1: don't forget, Jack, we're talking about lockdowns and you can
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: shop at a Home Depot, but you can't shop at
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  Speaker 1: your local mom and pop store. Was it Mike DeWine's
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: idea that you could drink at a bar until 10,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: but then couldn't drink after 10 p.m. because of COVID?
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: You could stay there. but you just can't drink. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you think that was Mike's or that was Amy's, Jack?
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  Speaker 1: Just throwing it out.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was probably Amy wanting to do everything
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  Speaker 4: she could to keep everybody locked down as much as possible.
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  Speaker 4: I remember back in the day, and I hear it
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  Speaker 4: again presently, that people like John Husted were really trying
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes to get things opened up. But I
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 4: think Amy Acton was trying to tighten the screws as
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  Speaker 4: much as she could to shut everything down. Um, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, luckily there were me and maybe a couple
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  Speaker 4: other people were asking some hard questions back then that
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  Speaker 4: had people go, wait a minute to your point. Does
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: COVID get worse after 10 PM? Um, does short people
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  Speaker 4: not have to worry? Cause you can take your mask
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  Speaker 4: off when you sit down, uh, but you have to
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  Speaker 4: have it on when you stand up. I mean, it
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  Speaker 4: was so asinine.
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  Speaker 1: It without question. We'll do one more segment. You were
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  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor's. We close out a Friday morning show. Don't
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  Speaker 1: to talk about with this acting situation going on? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's lots of details out there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there's so many different angles. I really
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  Speaker 4: am kind of at a loss this morning other than
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  Speaker 4: when I see that commercial, I've watched it a couple
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  Speaker 4: of times, is, you know, she's a serial fabulist. And
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  Speaker 4: that was the point. Shame on the press for doing
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  Speaker 4: the bidding of Amy Acton. And this is what allows
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 4: her to stay in the basement, right? The press does
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: the hard work for her. I can tell you there
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: are a lot of people who are nervous about the
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  Speaker 4: ad and the fact that Vivek is doubling down, putting
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  Speaker 4: $ 4 million behind it. Trump came out and supported it.
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  Speaker 1: J.D.
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  Speaker 4: Vance said some very salient and resonant things about it.
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  Speaker 4: But it's going to be the tail of the tape.
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  Speaker 4: Here's what I believe, just talking about the political side
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  Speaker 4: of it. I don't think Vivek Ramaswamy would put $ 4
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  Speaker 4: million behind an ad that wasn't working. And I think
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: about my dad, who's 82 years old, and he's going
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  Speaker 4: to see that ad. He's not on Twitter. He's not
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: on Facebook. He's not doing the slap tickle fights that
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 4: the progressives like to do online to try to smear everybody.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to look at that and go, Yeah, I
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: thought Amy Acton was kind of a fibber, and her mom.
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  Speaker 1: Says she's a liar.
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  Speaker 4: She's probably a liar. I think that's how most people
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  Speaker 4: are going to take it.
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  Speaker 1: Jack, that was basically my reaction. Now, I'm no fan
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: of Amy Acton was I before I saw that ad,
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  Speaker 1: but again, I came completely clear with no prior information
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  Speaker 1: about that point in her life or any stories about
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: abuse or anything about her childhood. If it was out there,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: then you can fault Brian Thomas for not looking close
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  Speaker 1: enough because I just didn't care enough or I just
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: didn't see it, but I didn't know. And that's where
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: your dad is. His reaction, because he doesn't know, would
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: be exactly what mine was like. Hell, that's a bombshell
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  Speaker 1: right there.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. And, you know, we won't do it today. But
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: I did talk to Donna Arthur back in 2020, Amy
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  Speaker 4: Acton's mom. I was one of a handful of people.
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  Speaker 4: She did the interview with Operation Rescue that was published.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: But I talked to her after that and got some
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  Speaker 4: additional information. And all I'm going to say is this.
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  Speaker 4: Shame on the press. And shame on Mike DeWine.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: We don't really need to dive into Amy Acton's past
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  Speaker 4: and adjudicate in the court of public opinion whether she
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: was raped or not. Not my job. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to do it. I don't know anybody that wants to
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  Speaker 4: talk through that. But if you're going to use the
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: sexual abuse claim now as a campaign talking point, then
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: you owe it to everybody to tell the whole story.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm going to tell you this and leave it
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  Speaker 4: at this. Nobody knows the whole story. I talked to
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  Speaker 4: Amy's mom about this in 2020. And if anybody would
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 4: dare to actually talk to the woman, go back and
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: do some fair-minded research, they would go, okay, I could
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: see that there might be more angles to this. But
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody really wants to do that. I
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 4: think all the left wants to do, and they're doing
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: it successfully because this is what they do. They create
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 4: a narrative. They get the press to continue to parrot it.
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  Speaker 4: And then they point at Republicans and go, look how
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 4: bad these Republicans are. I just don't know. I don't
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 4: know if that's a winning strategy for them. And I
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 4: think a lot of Republicans are nervous whether this is
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  Speaker 4: a winning strategy for Vivek. We're going to find out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm certain we'll probably have poll numbers in the next
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  Speaker 4: five days, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any faith left in the polls, Jack?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, seriously.
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  Speaker 4: Internal polls. You know, if I if I if I'm
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  Speaker 4: talking to a campaign and I say, you know, what
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  Speaker 4: are your internals and, you know, kind of talking through that? No,
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  Speaker 4: I don't like I think Fox came out yesterday. Brown
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  Speaker 4: is up five. Right. He was up eight. He's up five.
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  Speaker 4: Vivek is down two. I consider any I always look
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 4: at a poll, whether it's Fox, whether it's New York Times,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: CNN or whatever. And I always think I'm going to
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: add anywhere from five to eight points to that in
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  Speaker 4: favor of the Republican because they always miss the mark.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: So if that is the case, Husted is neck and neck.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: Vivek might be up a couple. And at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, this is going to come down to turnout.
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  Speaker 4: Republicans have to go out and vote. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Overwhelm them. That's the point. And hold your nose. If
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: this isn't an ideal Republican candidate, you know, I don't
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: like a brown man being governor of the state of Ohio. Well,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: you're a racist if you say that. But if you
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: even feel in that way, let's suspend your racism for
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: this race. Let's vote for the guy who's going to
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  Speaker 1: lead the state in the right direction that will ultimately
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: benefit even the racists who don't want to vote for
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: him because he's a person of color. Right, Jack?
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  Speaker 4: Here, let me say this. Get honest with yourself, voters.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what the message is from the acting campaign?
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  Speaker 4: Vivek Ramaswamy is a bad man because he's a billionaire.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I want my kids to see leaders and
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  Speaker 4: elected officials who praise success, not talk about success like,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: Somebody had to do something wrong in order to get it.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: What the hell are we doing? Nothing that she says
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: resonates with me.
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  Speaker 1: It's an illustration of how they capitalize on the innate
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: sense of covetousness we live with. That's why it's a sin, Jack.
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  Speaker 1: Just because someone else has more, don't be bummed out
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  Speaker 1: about it. Think it's unfair. You don't know how that
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: person lived their life. Walk a mile in their shoes,
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  Speaker 1: you might figure out how it is they became wealthy,
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps that you didn't. I'm willing to, in my
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: station of life, Jack, I'm totally comfortable with it. knowing
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: full well that I'll never have a billion dollars. But
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: then again, you know what? That's okay. I worked hard.
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  Speaker 1: I have a house over my head. I got my
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: clothes on my back. I can feed my family along
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: with a lot of help for my wife. But we've
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: been able to take care of ourselves. And that's what
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: more can you ask from a human being? But when
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: they want to run a state, they better come with
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: something more than don't vote for him because he's successful
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  Speaker 1: and a billionaire. That's just capitalizing on greed and envy.