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A Higherside Chat (Feat. Greg Carlwood) · Cosmic Peach

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Speaker 3: The fellas.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects today. We got a packed house.
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We got ten of us up in here today, and
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we're gonna have all the rejects introduced themselves until we
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get to the man of the hour, the very special
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guests for you, Lisa, please the occult rejected bad scientists.
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Let everybody know what your dealer is. What's up?
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Speaker 5: Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you
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for the invitation. Thank you everybody. The only thing I
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a lot of our fellow occult researchers are contributing. So
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that's it for me, and I'm very excited to hear
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about to hear everything that Greg has.
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Speaker 3: To say today. Awesome, Yes, me too. Thank you very
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much for joining us, and Jin Frida the Ninja, what's
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going on?
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Speaker 7: Thanks you, thank you boss, not Forrider today, but and
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thank you to Greg Carlwood. Obviously I'm really excited and
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slash nervous, but so I host the show called Threshold Saints,
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much as thank you, sir and JJ Vance.
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Speaker 8: What is going on, sir, Nick greeting, sir, appreciate the
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Speaker 4: Greg Carlwood, Great to meet you, sir.
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Speaker 4: This is the big, big team we got here today.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Thank you very much. And Ethan Indigo, Sir,
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what is going on?
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Speaker 9: Peace? Salute to everybody. Glad to be here. I'm a
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found really easily and check out Occult Research Institute.
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Speaker 2: Glad to be here with everyone.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. And another special guest we got with us today.
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This man has been along the journey really with the
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Occult Rejects, and I think some of the best work
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that has been done on this show has been done
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with him, so I wanted to get him involved. We
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got Mario from Symbolic Studies to Tarot Man himself. Please
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let everybody know what is up.
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Speaker 10: Yeah for sure, Thanks for the invite, dude. My project
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is called Symbolic Studies. You can find all my stuff
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at symbolicstudies dot com. I do short form videos available
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for terror readings, I've got presentations on my YouTube all
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that kind of stuff. Stock to talk to Greg and
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everyone else. So yeah, thanks again of course, of course,
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and we got Ricardo.
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Speaker 3: Please, sir, let everybody know what your deal is and
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where they can find all your amazing research.
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Speaker 11: Thank you, Nick, Thank you for the invite. Good hearing
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to everyone. I'm very excited to listen from Greg today
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and see what it has to say. And as for me,
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I'm a multi Sumari researcher and you can find all
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about me and my ex account as it is in
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Check out our magazine pharohs. You can find it at
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the Institute for Natural Philosophy dot org.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Nick, of course, thank you, And we got
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the Cosmic Peach yourself, Julia, what is going on?
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Speaker 1: What's up?
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Speaker 12: Nick? I'm so excited for this one. I've been looking
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forward to it. Have Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen
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or find your podcast. If you haven't found me yet, yeah,
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never will, but I'm excited to be here.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3: Of course, of course. And last but not least, the
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moment Slayer herself heighty love.
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Speaker 13: Hello, everybody. I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm
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everwhere podcasts are served. I do have my own website,
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Unfiltered rizpodcast dot com, and I'm better known as the
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ex Mormon girl.
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Speaker 3: Hell Yah, nice to meet you, Greg, Thank you, thank
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you very much. I really appreciate it. And finally, last
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but not least, the man of the hour. I'm sure
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everybody knows who he is. He's a the OG four
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twenty friendly conspiracy theorist. We're on the streets. He smoked
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the blunts with Bigfoot, and he's ripped bong hits a
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Bohemia grove. We got Greg Callwood from the Higher Side
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Chats up in here today. Greg, please let everybody know
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what the hell is up and what's going on.
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Speaker 14: Hey, thank you for having me. No pressure, right, I mean,
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I really am just a regular guy and have a
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regular guy's level of knowledge. You guys all probably know
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a lot more about the occult than me, but people
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know me because I got in there first. I've been
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doing the podcast for fifteen years. The Higher Side Chats
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dot Com is the place to go, and it really
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is all the great guests I've had over the years
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that make the show what it is. I'm just a
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guy asking some questions, and some of it sticks, but
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a lot of times it's like preparing for a book report.
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You cram, you do the thing, and then you're like,
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all right, that's done. But after fifteen years, hopefully I
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remember some things and have some interesting things to bring up.
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But pleasure to meet everybody.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you very much. I totally understand what
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you're saying about forgetting stuff, because like between everybody I
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work with, it'll be like, don't you remember when we
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talked about so and so on, And I'm like, no, sorry,
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I don't. That was three weeks ago. I don't remember.
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There's so many there was ten other shows in there
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that I remember, you know, partial stuff I just forgot.
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But as it all does lead together, Yeah, I'm glad
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I'm not the only one. Thank you, So Greg. I figured,
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I mean, besides, there's you know, nine other people here.
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Everybody's got questions. But I did think maybe kind of
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just set it off. As you know, again, you've been
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around for a while, you do touch on the occult
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besides other things, I guess just kind of wanted to know,
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like you know, your experience and the occult with the
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journey through your podcast, maybe things that opened up your thinking,
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things that surprised you. I don't know, people that impacted
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you go to bed and it doesn't you know, have
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to necessarily be putting the person down. I say bad.
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It just you know, stuff like that and just really
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free flowing. But I guess maybe just started off like, well,
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first off, what even got you into starting the higher
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side of chats?
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Speaker 14: Well, I was always kind of anti authoritarian and into
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conspiracies and even things like the Locknus Monster and Bigfoot
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and UFOs that gets you.
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Speaker 15: Going when you're young. I like punk music.
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Speaker 14: So I also kind of grew up in a repressive
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Catholic school environment in the Midwest, so religiosity was definitely there.
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Obviously it's an anti occult environment, but it's still in
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the mix. And I tried on atheism for a long time,
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and it was just like, you know, what if I
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think this is bullshit, if I think that it's wrapped
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up in a lot of nasty stuff with the Vatican
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and all this, well, you know, if I don't trust
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these people, maybe the whole thing is bullshit. And I
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think a lot of people eventually come out of that. Again,
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if you go through it, it's more about the environment
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you're in. It's more about the indoctrination of traditional, almost
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corporatized religion, and you don't have to throw the baby
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out with the bathwater. And I had to remind myself
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that little things happened when I was young that blew
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the doors off materialism, and I was conveniently ignoring some
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of those things. Like one of the craziest was when
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I was in about the preschool age. I didn't This
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kind of makes my parents look bad, but I did
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not wear my seat belt much. There were not car
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seats at least at this age, even though now I
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see people putting kids in car seats for a long time.
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Speaker 15: But regardless, I was on my way to something with
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my mom and I.
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Speaker 14: Had this inner voice say put your seat belt on,
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and it was incredibly aggressive, and for some reason I listened,
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and we were in a car accident. My mom got
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tea boned like five minutes later, and I would never
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forget that that was the reason why I didn't find
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it and why I wasn't even being asked to do it.
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And I think my parents just got sick of how stubborn.
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I was, and in this particular instance, this inner voice
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was so loud. I was like, that was definitely intuition,
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some guardian angel type thing. I don't know if that's
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the higher self, whatever it is, but I think a
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lot of us have telephone telepathy, or we see something
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strange looking at you.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's often in those early.
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Speaker 14: Years, and then we might put it away and be like, well,
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I'm not going to hinge my entire worldview on the
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five seconds which I saw something that defied reality.
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Speaker 15: Maybe I was mistaken back then, but I swung back.
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Speaker 14: Obviously. I was into conspiracy and it's very adjacent. I
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always liked the David Ike flavor of conspiracy more than
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the Alex Jones angry patriot Texas thing. That didn't really
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resonate with me, maybe because it was too close to
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home the way I grew up, and I mean, my
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parents were very normal, which allowed me to be normal too.
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But outside of the confines of my home in the Midwest,
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in rural Missouri, Arnold, Missouri, you see a lot of
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stuff the parents of the kids are going to school with,
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you know, And I think that's great because some people
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were way more of the mindset that they were drinking
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the kool aid and still do and always have people
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I still like. But they didn't try on any other
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hats because in their house it wasn't tampered down at all.
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It was still like as intense as it was at school.
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Speaker 3: So, you know whatever.
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Speaker 14: But I think if you go into conspiracy long enough,
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it definitely crosses over into occult area as you start
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looking at symbolism. I saw an early documentary on marketing
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and just subliminal messages in marketing, and then that gets
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adjacent to magic. And it was guests like Gordon White
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who kind of recontextualized the sie effects and the telephone
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telepathy type of thing and said, no, that is magic.
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That is a product of a magical universe. And I
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think it's kind of a changing of the definition that
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made me feel like the world is more magical, and
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you know, the rest is kind of history.
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Speaker 3: It's interesting, kind of I guess we shed a little
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bit of the same situation where it went from you know,
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kind of Catholicism Catholic into thinking there's something wrong with
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the church because of the conspirac season. Then I become
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an atheist, and then about five years later, I found
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myself in the Oto.
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Speaker 14: I did not go that, Oh you no, I did,
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but his next magic really the big secret at the
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end of.
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Speaker 3: That for me, my magical experience. Yeah, I think I
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was given some secrets, yes so, but not at the Oto.
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It was not wait oh sorry, did you sway? Stay?
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What did you say?
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Speaker 13: Oh?
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Speaker 3: No, you know that's the whole thing and the experiences
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that I had. There was no ritual done, no sex,
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and all I did was meditate. Did you see the
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Gnostic Mass? Oh, I've been in the Gnostic Mass plenty
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of times.
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Speaker 14: Did you see the full apparently the real Gnostic Mass.
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They're banging.
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Speaker 3: I've never seen anything else besides breasts. Oh yeah, grateful that, I.
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Speaker 12: Thought, you said, Nick, You saw they always picked the
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big fat chicks to get up there and take their
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tops off, didn't they.
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Speaker 3: Well, just from my experience, I mean, listen, I'm not
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breaking saying I'm God's gift to women, but I did
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not want to see any of those women naked anyways,
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keeping it real, don't get naked either, No naked. I
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figure out I was going somewhere with this I forgot.
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But oh yeah, yeah, there was there was no sex man.
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I I again, I mean I was only there for
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five to six years, only went up a few degrees.
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You have to go past the fourth, Like if the
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fourth you get shoulder taped to go pissed. So you know,
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maybe when you hit the fifth that's when all the
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weird shit happens. I don't know so, but that's yeah,
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my experience. But yeah, I kind of had the same thing.
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And like you said, did David Ike, I was much
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more into David Ike, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tassarian. So like
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when I first started getting into all those people, there
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was nothing. I mean, I didn't have a choice. Really,
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I was gonna hear about ocultism and then you know, oh,
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I was just gonna say.
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Speaker 14: Also, astrology is one of those early things that I
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just couldn't really dismiss the results of and the typical
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excuse that everything's just so broad and vague that you
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can apply it to yourself that didn't really resonate, And
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so that was just an other thing that's like, well,
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if this is true, then I have to change my
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worldview about what reality is. Synchro Mysticism too, another area
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where conspiracy and symbolism crossover and your entry level thought
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is that, well, maybe this stuff is just seeded into
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films by the people who are you know, the cast
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and crew. But some of it defies logic in that
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regard too, And then you're like, man, something metaphysical seems
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to be going on. And then maybe you start thinking
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about consciousness and big events that well up a lot
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of conscious energy. And then maybe it manifests through like
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a muse like way where someone has to write something
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in a film and they're like, well, I'm gonna put
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it as nine to eleven. Well why did you pick
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nine to eleven? Maybe it wasn't absolutely conscious, but there's
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just some deep echo in the back of your subconsciousness
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like this is an important date, so put it on
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Neo's passport. Who knows. But there's something about a lot
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of that stuff. So those are just some other components
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that I just think, if you haven't gotten rid of
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materialism yet, just look at some of that stuff and
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try to figure out.
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Speaker 3: How it works in a material universe. I agree with uh,
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do anybody want to ask you any questions?
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Speaker 13: I do.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to hog at Greg's time or anything.
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Speaker 12: But because you mentioned David Ike, you know, he's been
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scrutinized to like the max would you are you like
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a lizard people's person or are you like where where
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do you fall in the lizard spectrum?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think this is David Ike. He He's even
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clarified a lot of those comments. So it's hard to separate,
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especially in a pre Internet world. When I was getting
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into David Ike, you have the actual person, their actual material,
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and then the cariature that society reduces it down to.
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And obviously with David Ike, he was reduced down to
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the lizard guy. All these elite are literal lizard people
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wearing rubber masks, and that's not true. That's again like
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the materialist viewpoint of what he's getting at, which I
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think if you take the metaphysical spiritual look at what
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David Ike says, which he even himself now would say,
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it's more like there's maybe some deep, deep bloodline represented
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by reptilian symbolism. Why is the reptilian symbolism there? Does
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it go all the way back to literal reptiles or
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has it always been symbolic. Mario is probably the guy
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to answer more of these questions, but I don't I
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think that that's a literalization of what he's trying to say,
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which is something more metaphysical. A lot of people, when
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they have a spiritual experience with something they think is alien,
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reptiles come up all the time. I don't think they
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saw Hillary Clinton as an iguana in their living room,
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but they saw something on the astraplane report presented as
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a reptilian energy, like a serpentine like energy. Yeah, and
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so I think there might be, if you go back
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far enough, a physicality to that somewhat. But I kind
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of think like uphology was trying to find itself in
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a material worldview initially. So what are these things? They
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must be humanoid creatures from another physical planet because they're
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not able to rope in the spiritual layer of reality.
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They can't have an explanation that changes that worldview, that
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fundamental worldview that everything's physical, Big Bang and everything. So
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if you're not going to have a spiritual layer to
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your reality, you get weird conclusions. And I think that's
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what the David Ike thing is is. I think he's
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very metaphysical and he's trying to explain things in a
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way that makes sense, and he says reptilian and people
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literalize it and say, oh, well, he means she's Hillary
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Clinton's wearing a rubber mask, and it's like that's a
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little silly. But is she attached to a spiritual arconic
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presence that is maybe riding her and even possessing her
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to a degree because it recognizes power and it is
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a reptilian energy. I think that's probably possible, probably even likely.
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Speaker 1: Or like some kind of bloodline thing almost yeah.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I'm wondering that's a literalization too. But they
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definitely care about bloodlines. The leader obsessed with that, so
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you have to reverse engineer. If they care, then it's
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something important.
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Speaker 13: And what is it.
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Speaker 14: Well, there's this, there's all the Steiner stuff. When Steiner
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talks about blood, I'm like, that is your spiritual essence.
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So maybe it's splitting hairs talking about a reptilian blood
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line and a reptilian spiritual energy attachment.
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Speaker 3: It's probably maybe.
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Speaker 15: That's how it's connected in through the blood and the nakash.
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Speaker 3: I think it's connected back to the garden, like you know, there.
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Speaker 14: You go, Like I say, you guys know more than
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I do about a lot of this stuff. But these
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are the conclusions when I've you know, after fifteen years
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of asking guests, some things resonate and some don't. Some
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things you hear more often than others. And that's basically
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my broad viewpoint on how reptilians can exist and probably do.
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Speaker 11: You, if I may, Greg, So you've said many times
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of what you heard from people. My question is directly
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to you and not to those people, to your personal experience. So,
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after all you've learned of the experience you accumulated, transforming
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that knowledge into some form of wisdom, how do you
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see reality, how do you conceive it to be today,
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and how it relates to consciousness and existence in itself.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think I settle on the Soul school hypothesis
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that we come here to have physical experiences where fractals
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of the Godhead. We take thatperience back to the central
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supreme consciousness and fold it in.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know why.
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Speaker 14: There's a lot of explanations, like the basic one is
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that consciousness existed made a physical container for itself and
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that is only enjoyable to play through if you come
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in with no memory that you're God.
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Speaker 15: And I think that checks out. That kind of makes sense.
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Speaker 14: And if you push on the reality we have, then
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you can quickly find out it goes deeper, but you
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can go your whole life without pushing on it at
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all and just live a straight experience, you know, a
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straightforward physical reality experience, which is probably what it was
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somewhat designed to do. But I think it's, yeah, a
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realm of experience, which is what I think is really
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sad when so many other people I know don't fully
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dive in, you know. And that's where the conspiracy comes in,
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is I think so much of it is about capturing
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our attention and wasting our time.
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Speaker 15: Like just jobs.
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Speaker 14: Obviously number one thing to say that eight hours a day,
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you're going to sleep. Eight hours a day are gonna
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work for us, and then you get the other eight hours,
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but some of it's traffic. Then you're gonna have to eat,
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you're gonna have to get ready for work and shower
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and all this stuff. It really starts to get whittled
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away to Okay, I guess I have two hours in
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the evening to watch a fucking Netflix show and that's it.
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And so I think a lot of it is wasting
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people's time and keeping them from engaging in the experience.
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I don't know what the elite are exactly, if they
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hate God or if they're falling angels or something of
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that realm, or they just want to corrupt the experience
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as much as they can, so they do genetic tinkering
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and all this other stuff. But it seems like they're
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very spiteful of experience itself, and so I think that
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they have tiers of ways they attack it, and one
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of them is just like, have all these people waste
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their time in a numb state of baseline consciousness, never
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explore a snuff out their curiosity, and just neutralize what
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this thing is designed to do.
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Speaker 15: And they do a pretty damn good.
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Speaker 3: Job of that.
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Speaker 14: I think we all know people who barely ever get
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off the couch outside of going to work and coming
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home in the evening. So I like the Sole school
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idea that it is a realm of experience and hopefully
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learning and hopefully progress. I don't necessarily have evidence of
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that part, but it just seems like why do it otherwise?
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Speaker 1: That is so true, That is literally so true.
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Speaker 12: I almost feel like before I started podcasting full time
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that I was like clinically depressed. I was working like
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twelve hour shifts at a hospital and I would come
22:43
home and just like zone out almost, And it's the
22:49
system is like set up to where you're just a
22:51
cog and a machine and that's how you feel.
22:53
Speaker 1: Literally.
22:54
Speaker 14: I mean that's so true, especially the medical system, the
22:57
way that they have people working those shifts.
23:00
Speaker 15: That's not necessary. There's definitely got to be a better way.
23:03
Speaker 14: But it is more closely to how you would structure
23:06
psychological torture. So I think that the conspiracy comes in
23:11
with the medical stuff, where they don't want anybody to
23:14
wake up. They don't want the people working in the
23:16
trenches to even have time to think about what they're doing.
23:19
Just go, go, go, here's the book. This is what
23:21
we do in this instance, and don't think about it.
23:23
There is no variance. Take your orders from on high.
23:26
We saw what that did a couple of years ago.
23:28
But yeah, the medical one in particular is interesting, another
23:33
realm where they don't acknowledge the spiritual at all, And
23:36
there's all these new emerging health systems where they're looking
23:40
at your emotional state. Have you buried some kind of
23:44
emotional trauma in you that manifests this cancer later? Like
23:47
you can't just cut and burn and poison everything out
23:50
of a human body. So yeah, that's I empathize with
23:54
being in that realm. They work in a psych hospital.
24:00
Speaker 13: They make us do twelve to thirteen hours, and then
24:03
they turn around and tell us don't have any personal
24:05
connection with anyone, don't don't try and relate to these
24:08
people that are here for drugging alcohol abuse, and don't
24:11
try and help them or hug them or touch them
24:13
or do any of the things that might actually help them, because.
24:17
Speaker 1: Like, don't be their friend.
24:18
Speaker 12: God forbid, you'd be a nice sweet person to someone
24:22
who's mentally fucked. Like come on, and you know, Heidi
24:27
this with you working there too, I feel like you
24:31
can agree with this because I, like you said, I
24:34
worked like twelve hour shows too. You don't really get
24:36
Sunday off either, because all day Saturday you're doing whatever.
24:40
All day Sunday you're just dreading going back on Monday.
24:44
So it's like literally a never ending loop of just
24:48
like why the fuck am I doing this? Why the
24:51
fuck am I doing this? And I mean, I'm so
24:54
glad that I'm out of that. But for all those
24:57
who are listening right now that are stuck in it,
24:59
trust the way that you feel is the way you're
25:03
supposed to feel about it.
25:04
Speaker 1: I mean it sucks something.
25:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh sorry, go ahead, all right.
25:09
Speaker 14: I was just gonna say, Julia mentioned depression, and I
25:11
definitely think depression is a natural reaction to something that
25:16
you're not doing in accordance.
25:18
Speaker 3: With your true will. Yes, I totally agree.
25:22
Speaker 14: Me and my wife had a real tough my now wife.
25:25
You know, then it was early. She could have got out,
25:27
but in the beginning she was like, you know, I
25:30
have real concerns if we're gonna get raw, and honest,
25:33
I have real concerns that you're never going to be
25:35
happy unless this big hail Mary thing you threw, unless
25:39
that works. And I was like, well, you're probably right,
25:43
so let's hope it works, because you can't tell me
25:46
to just change my attitude, just flip my attitude about
25:50
this thing that is sucking up so much mental energy
25:53
and physical time. As a store manager of game stop, yeah,
25:56
you got the it's basically fifty hours a week plus
25:59
track time. Then you have people who are paid such
26:03
a low wage, they're all incompetent. You only have your
26:05
choice of incompetent people to put in your store. So
26:08
they're constantly calling you when you're off the clock too.
26:11
It's miserable. You're making thirty five grand a year to
26:14
run a two million dollar store. Your salary, the salary
26:19
of the boss of the whole store is a small
26:21
little line item. It's like not less than the tax
26:24
is paid, probably, And yeah, sorry, I am gonna be
26:28
miserable if I'm stuck in this because I can't just
26:31
pretend that it's a good life when I'm gonna call
26:35
to sack to nowhere in the retail ecosystem. Luckily it works, Yeah.
26:40
Speaker 12: Hours a week and you're still eating taco bell and
26:43
wondering how the fuck you're gonna make it to the
26:46
next paycheck. Like, think about that, it's such a slave
26:49
system for real. You have time to shit in shower
26:53
and go right the fuck back the next day, and like,
26:56
its just I don't know, it's horrid.
27:00
Speaker 14: But then I also think about, like if it is
27:02
a soul school, if reality is set up this way,
27:05
like we really just in that dark city sense, we
27:07
don't truly have a concept of anything that came before
27:10
us or anything after. We're kind of the center of
27:12
our experience. There's a story out there of what might
27:16
have occurred before and all this, but you're really kind
27:19
of just in the experience. And if that's true, maybe
27:23
it is designed to kind of let these people. And
27:27
that's been a thing that there was a thing called
27:29
the Hidden Hand material It was on a form road.
27:31
Speaker 3: I remember that, Oh my god, God, any.
27:34
Speaker 15: Questions you want and I'll tell you.
27:35
Speaker 14: And they, basically as pypologists for the elite, were like,
27:38
these people actually made a sacrifice to play the role
27:41
of the bad guy in this system, because to have
27:44
a good story there must be a villain. And part
27:47
of that is you need to push through the difficulty
27:51
and push through the depression and rise above it and
27:54
change the circumstance. That is the nagging thing, you know,
27:58
the stick in the ribcaid. It's like, hey, come on,
28:01
do something, move move. And so I almost have learned
28:05
now that I'm on the other side.
28:06
Speaker 15: Of it, it doesn't affect me anymore.
28:08
Speaker 14: I've learned to appreciate that stage of life and going
28:11
through that, because otherwise I would not have been motivated
28:15
enough to do what I do now. And maybe this
28:17
is my true will to just at least create a
28:19
stage for important voices and then put them up for
28:23
the people, and I don't have to do much more
28:25
than that then raise the curtain and turn the lights on.
28:28
Speaker 3: Maybe that is my role.
28:29
Speaker 14: I'm comfortable with it compared to other possible roles. But
28:33
maybe I just don't hate it as much as I
28:35
used to when I was stuck in it. I now
28:37
appreciate the process of taking a person up to a
28:41
higher level experience. So if you're in your twenties and
28:44
you're kind of miserable, I think that's what the twenties
28:47
are for, is letting that feeling fuel something better into
28:50
your thirties.
28:53
Speaker 13: I know with mine, I choose to be where I am,
28:55
and it's all about trying to focus on the people
29:00
there to try and actually help them because my brother
29:03
did pass of a drug overdose, and so that's why
29:07
I chose to work there, because I thought, well, if
29:09
I can give something back to these people, and I
29:13
am constantly breaking the rules, so it doesn't matter anyway.
29:16
Like you said, you can change your you can change
29:18
your way about it, you know, be human, like give
29:22
them humanity.
29:24
Speaker 3: Heck yeah, real quick, There's a few things I wanted
29:27
to say, and then I did want to toggle in
29:29
Robbie Marx because we can't have more than ten people,
29:31
and we do have another cult reject here. We just
29:33
couldn't fit them in. There was a couple of things
29:35
I wanted to say. Those stuff that you said. One,
29:38
doing your will, I totally agree with that. I honestly
29:41
think if it may be hard at times what you're doing,
29:45
but if you love what you're doing, I think you're
29:47
doing your will. Again, it may be hard at times,
29:50
but you're still going to love what you're doing. I
29:53
totally agree. And when you had said something I think about,
29:55
I guess kind of like your idea, I guess of
29:58
the reality you really you nailed it on the head.
30:01
It's like kind of the same thing that I've been
30:02
trying to say. You just made it sound so much better.
30:04
I guess maybe as an Italian, I like to use
30:06
the spaghetti strainer. But like I always say that, I
30:09
consider like you take a light bulb on the ceiling
30:10
and you're like you throw the spaghetti strainer over, and
30:12
then all those little pin dots or all of us
30:14
having a separate experience from that one of the one
30:16
you saw us. I like, yeah, yeah, so I do thing,
30:19
and due to this, we're supposed to rise back up
30:22
that light with the with the experience that we've had
30:24
here and bring it back and maybe possibly come back
30:28
with knowledge, you know whatever. That's getting a little bit deeper,
30:30
but still it is very very well said. So I identify,
30:34
you know, kind of identified with what you were getting at.
30:36
And I was like, wow, I like the way he
30:37
said that. But yeah, we're gonna Oh and then the
30:40
whole thing with David Ike too, I totally agree, and
30:43
I think I'm so happy that you guys are saying that.
30:46
I do think David Ike, as silly as it sounds
30:48
when he's talking about the reptilians from my experience due
30:52
to having magical experiences, I do just me. I do
30:54
believe I've crossed the Abyss and had that experience. I
30:57
totally get what David Ike's saying. If I want to
31:00
look at it in a gnostic occult sense, he's saying
31:03
the same thing. These people, reptilians are just people that
31:06
are able to cross the Abyss and come back, and
31:08
those are the people ruling the world. I agree with that,
31:12
So I do I do see it that way. I
31:13
just think he it's a little bit harder to come
31:15
out and maybe say that and still be popular. So
31:18
maybe he, you know, tries to do it in a
31:19
different way. I don't know, but I totally also.
31:22
Speaker 14: Think there's a big difference between how he started doing
31:24
it and how he does it today. I mean, he
31:25
wrote a book called The Trap recently, which I think
31:28
it's like six hundred pages. Basically everything I said would
31:31
be contained within that same framework, So I think I
31:35
think his opinion and position has evolved as well.
31:39
Speaker 3: All right, Robbie Marks, we got you in so sorry
31:41
about that, sir.
31:43
Speaker 16: No no worries at all. Yeah, Hey, Greg Carwood, how
31:46
you doing. As I'm an artist, I do art illustrations.
31:53
I do a lot of festival band type merch stuff
31:56
like that. I've been an independent artist for going on
31:59
thirty five years. And you know, when when we talk
32:04
about this system of people just you know, as cogs
32:08
in the machine, and they come home and they you know,
32:11
they don't have any time for anything else, especially any
32:14
kind of intellectual research. Me personally, being outside of the
32:19
system and just doing nothing but research for the last
32:23
thirty five years, you almost in a certain way alienate
32:28
yourself from a certain subset of people. But at the
32:31
same time, you have this creative motion of function where
32:36
you're constantly producing and making output, and.
32:41
Speaker 1: And there's good years and.
32:42
Speaker 16: There's bad years, and you kind of sail through this
32:45
sea over all this time. Do you find yourself constantly
32:50
trying to reinvent yourself or are you happy with a
32:55
general production level where you're at now? You know, I
33:00
mean there's this constant struggle with you know, it's like sometimes,
33:04
you know, after thirty five years of this, I say,
33:06
you know, I want to run away and join the
33:08
office because I worked twenty four hours a day, seven
33:11
days a week. I'm always on call. It's just, you know,
33:14
it's a whole different lifestyle, but your work becomes your life.
33:18
Speaker 3: Basically. Yeah, brass is always greener, as they say, but
33:21
as they say, yeah, I kind of agree with that.
33:24
Speaker 14: When I was in Armenia with Graham Hancock on this
33:27
research tour, my website went down and I was in
33:30
Armenia with no signal and people are like, your website's
33:34
just completely not there. And I didn't have people at
33:36
that time to help, so I'm like, Okay, my flight's
33:38
in six days. I guess I'll just hate the rest
33:41
of this trip until I can get back home. And
33:44
you know that stuff happens. Your website is your store
33:47
and you're the manager, and you got to make sure
33:49
it's always open.
33:51
Speaker 13: Ye.
33:52
Speaker 14: But yeah, in terms of evolution, it's funny because I
33:54
am of two minds. Like I've said, it's a refinement process. Yes,
33:58
I think I got better over time by learning on
34:01
the air in real time as I had to go.
34:04
It started as a comedy podcast where I wanted to
34:07
talk to a group of comedians about conspiratorial topics.
34:11
Speaker 15: I quickly learned some of them.
34:13
Speaker 14: Are just here to get airtime and they don't care
34:16
about these subjects at all, and the other ones are
34:20
more focused on making jokes. This isn't exactly what I wanted.
34:23
It's not getting deep in any kind of regard. But
34:26
I was going through like Ari Shaffer, Joey Diaz for
34:30
people who listen to comedy podcasts like That's who my
34:33
early interviews were. And then I did Marko Tasari on
34:35
I was like, Okay, this is way closer to what
34:38
I would want to listen to.
34:40
Speaker 15: So it is a refinement process.
34:42
Speaker 14: Some people would close down shop and open up under
34:46
a new brand and all this kind of stuff that's
34:48
what people do today because they know a lucrative podcast is.
34:51
Speaker 15: And how it's all got to be like polished and tight.
34:53
Speaker 14: But I really wasn't like that at the time, And
34:55
then I had people send me stuff where a couple
34:58
other shows were like, hey, this, since mimicking your cadence
35:02
and the way you do intro. So then I actually
35:05
honed down into an exact process so that that kind
35:10
of mimicry would be more recognizable, because now here's an
35:13
actual formula that I use and I'm comfortable using it,
35:16
and you know, I just there's so much vagaries around,
35:20
like is this person stealing the cadence of this? You
35:22
know a lot of people think Danny Jones basically took
35:25
the exact Rogan model and then applied it to the
35:27
stuff we're interested in.
35:29
Speaker 3: Sure anyone can do that.
35:31
Speaker 14: People have been talking to microphones a long time. No
35:33
one has a true monopoly on that. But you don't
35:37
like to see yourself copied or whatever. So I guess
35:40
I basically to answer the question, yeah, it's been a
35:43
prod a process of refinement, but also I tried to
35:46
standardize what you expect from my show like, here's a
35:50
polished intro that gets us in within two minutes.
35:53
Speaker 15: There are no ads or no sponsors. We're going right
35:55
to the meet.
35:56
Speaker 14: I try to use the intro to get further downfield
35:59
than just saying, so, tell me your thoughts on UFOs.
36:01
It's like, no, that was in the intro. Now I
36:04
want to know your thoughts. You know your level eleven
36:06
thoughts on UFOs? You know what about these things that?
36:08
So I try to use the intro to really, with
36:12
a show that's broad, you kind of have to prep people,
36:15
prime them for this topic this time because it does shift.
36:19
But you caught me right on the cusp of moving
36:22
to video. We could call it THHC TV because I
36:25
think it falls well. But I'm still coming, like there's
36:30
kinks to be worked out, but as of the first
36:33
of June, it's going to be a video show.
36:36
Speaker 3: And that is largely due to the market.
36:39
Speaker 14: Like I see all these shows that have existed for
36:42
half the time where posts don't even read the work
36:46
of the guests like I do, and then they're rocketing
36:49
past me. And it's because things evolve and things change,
36:52
and I'm being dragged, kicking and screaming into video. I
36:56
will get better at it as I go, and if
36:57
I'm kind of starting over, But it's partly what I want,
37:02
partly what seems to work. So I know growing up
37:06
watching this stuff. I'm forty years old now, which is
37:08
hard to believe, but I know a lot of guys
37:11
I watched and they got passed up by podcasting. You know,
37:14
why wasn't Coast to Coast am Why didn't it convert
37:17
to a podcast? Guys like Jeff Rentz and Alan Watt, Like,
37:24
there's a lot of conspiracy centric people. Even I love
37:29
Clyde Lewis, but I might put him in that category.
37:31
Two people who are like, we're doing radio shows, I
37:34
don't care about this podcasting thing. Well, those people have
37:36
had a hard time maintaining an audience in this ecosystem.
37:40
So I have enough awareness to see that and then
37:43
see like what we're doing here and seeing when I
37:46
appear on other shows what it looks like. And I'm like,
37:48
my appearance on another show looks better than my own show.
37:50
This cannot stand and we must fix it. So I'm
37:55
doing it from a studio. I'm trying to do it.
37:57
I tried to do audio at the highest level I'm
38:00
capable of. Its not the best show in the world,
38:02
but it's the best show I can produce. And I'm
38:04
gonna try to do the same mindset with video, and
38:07
I will embrace and prepare for any other changes within
38:12
this space except pretty much AI. I'm not gonna do
38:15
the baby animated thing that people think is fun now.
38:19
Speaker 16: I think that that when you look at the whole
38:22
process as far as you know, you've been doing this
38:24
fifteen years now, and just the whole problem. I mean,
38:28
it's an expansive process. There's gonna be times of dormancy
38:32
and times of growth, and it's a developmental process, like
38:36
you were saying as far as the refinement. But I find,
38:40
even after all these years, the only factor that really
38:43
bothers me is just getting old because I'm constantly coming
38:47
into the newness and the refinement and you know, this
38:51
just bringing it, trying to take myself essentially, you know,
38:55
and I'm sure like you two higher levels of understanding
38:59
and you know, creating more beautiful product.
39:04
Speaker 14: I agree, and AI is a little bit of a
39:06
part of that. What I don't like is people using
39:09
AI editing because it's just off putting to me. And
39:12
this whole idea of, oh, just turn the person into
39:14
an animated baby or an animated be a reptilian for
39:18
this episode, and they can match and sync the lips
39:21
up perfectly. But like, we don't need to do that,
39:23
Like people are people, and it's okay to just look
39:26
at the person speaking.
39:27
Speaker 15: But yeah, AI tools helped polish it.
39:29
Speaker 14: It's a little bittersweet because when I started, there were
39:32
very few tools, so I was willing to learn the
39:35
available tools and build things into my website, Like I
39:39
built Patreon before Patreon existed, and it's in my website
39:42
for just me, and then it came out for everybody
39:46
and now everybody has it. So it's nice because I
39:48
have Patreon too and some tools I do use, but
39:51
not having those tools is what separated the people who
39:54
are really going to go the extra mile from those
39:56
who would get lazy and fall off. So it's made
39:59
it easy for everybody else. But I definitely take advantage
40:02
of some of those tools too, and having kids, it's like, yeah,
40:05
anything to make it easier.
40:07
Speaker 3: AI.
40:08
Speaker 14: I'm not at the point and probably won't get to
40:10
the point, like I'm always going to read the book.
40:11
Speaker 15: It's part of my process. It must happen.
40:14
Speaker 14: But now people who don't want to read the book
40:16
can do an AI summary and act like they know
40:18
a little bit more and invests just a third of
40:21
the time. So that's frustrating for a person who's actually
40:24
reading the book. But I don't trust AI to pull
40:27
out that one line on page eighty nine that I
40:30
want to ask about, because you know, you can't trust
40:33
them to know the AI to know what's right. Will
40:35
it get better, sure, whatever, But what I think AI
40:38
is cool for is like I interviewed doctor Stephen Skinner,
40:41
who I think most people know, and he's a scholar
40:46
of Western esotericism and he's translated a lot of books,
40:52
and I think that's amazing. When I interviewed him, it
40:55
was like the first time I was like, Wow, there's
40:56
still all this magical literature, occult litter and all these
41:00
other languages that has not been translated because a lot
41:03
of times or mistranslated because the people looking at it
41:06
don't even believe in magic, so you get one word
41:09
wrong and it doesn't mean anything. So I do think
41:12
AI in that regard is really interesting. Let's put it
41:15
all through. Let's ask chatch deeply at least get us
41:18
a starting place. You know, you could take in a
41:20
day a bunch of stuff that isn't translated. Anyone could
41:24
as long as you have access to the initial digitized
41:26
file of something, whether it's Latin or whatever, like play
41:30
around with it.
41:30
Speaker 3: And we have now got tools where we can.
41:32
Speaker 14: Resurrect old rituals or old occult understandings that.
41:38
Speaker 15: Weren't meant for anybody else. Yes, yeah, you can do
41:41
it instantly.
41:42
Speaker 3: I've thought about that because I've gone down to the
41:45
bin Key Library that was in Yale, that's over in Yale,
41:48
and like I've actually like touched like certain like Heimrikouonroth
41:51
books and you know, like and taken pictures and videos
41:54
of these things. I'm like, yo, if I could probably
41:56
get somehow aid to like maybe like trying to trensk
42:00
right that. Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
42:02
Speaker 6: Now.
42:03
Speaker 16: I did see that they had an AI that was
42:05
specifically working on the uh, the Sumerian clay tablets to translate,
42:12
because there's hundreds of thousands of those, so you're just
42:14
skiining them in and they have an AI that to
42:17
actively translate. So we're gonna have some more you know,
42:20
epic of Gilgamesh and kind of this library of Ashabonopaul
42:24
that's gonna proceed to come forth that they didn't even
42:27
know about in the late eighteen hundreds. As far as
42:29
Yes America, you know.
42:31
Speaker 14: I would be a little careful with that stuff because
42:35
you still have an interpretation from academia presenting something on
42:39
Discovery Channel. This is the new understanding. It's barely different
42:43
than the old understanding. But now we have it confirmed
42:45
because AI now that's gonna be happening. But you can
42:49
do it yourself. That's what I think is so great.
42:52
And then you know, you could read between the lines,
42:54
because I do think some of these programs have a
42:57
neutrality to them, but some of also don't. You ask
43:02
a lot of these programs what happened on nine to eleven?
43:04
Might as well might as well ask Chris Wallace or
43:07
Anderson Cooper, because they will give you their answer. You know,
43:10
there's a consensus answer. That's what it's good for in
43:13
those kind of situations, and then there's a you know,
43:16
a more alternative answer. But I think with translations, that's
43:19
so mathematical in a sense that I do think that
43:23
you can trust it to get some things right. But
43:26
they're going to try to shut a lot of that down.
43:27
But yeah, you know you have access to it right now.
43:34
Speaker 3: Real quick, real quick. If you don't just getting real quick,
43:36
I'm just going to remove Robbie, bring Julia back, and
43:40
I think at LIASA did happen at Lisa did have
43:42
a question real quick too, and then we'll get to
43:44
somebody else.
43:46
Speaker 5: Yes, I wanted to build upon what everybody has been
43:49
saying lately, and then what you had said right now, Greg.
43:53
And then so over the years you have interviewed like
43:56
an enormous amount of alternative researchers, do you notice any
44:01
like metapatterns, synchronicities, something that points to a deeper structure
44:07
within this conspiracy ecosystem.
44:09
Speaker 6: To use that word that you use itself.
44:12
Speaker 5: And then the second parts of the question is with
44:15
all the fringe thinkers that you have interviewed and in
44:18
this age of conspiratuality and to distill down even further
44:23
these algorithm driven bubbles, do you see like a deliberate
44:28
hypernormalization or is it all just like ontological paralysis rather
44:34
than just plainal censorship.
44:38
Speaker 14: Oh man, well, some of that speaks to like I
44:42
just did a live event with Gordon White, and the
44:44
whole subject was the conspiracy canon. It was his idea.
44:48
But how has the canon changed over time, like you know,
44:51
like a film canon or whatever. And it makes you
44:54
think a lot of it is just the impact of
44:57
algorithms and the Internet, like you have to have the
44:59
most explosive thing, not the truest thing, and you know,
45:04
just to take it from the top.
45:05
Speaker 3: Back in the day there was JFK.
45:07
Speaker 14: You can bring it up to nine to eleven, but
45:09
a lot of it's the CIA and the economic hitman
45:12
type of stuff. Maybe a little eufology peppered in there,
45:16
but there's a canon of a dozen or so events
45:20
and subjects that people are looking at under the microscope,
45:23
and that's it. You go to conspiracy Con in nineteen
45:27
ninety five, that's who you're talking to, you know, minus
45:29
the nine to eleven thing. Moon landing, yeah, might be included,
45:33
But now it is all about the iceberg and like
45:37
what's the craziest idea. It's not even about like what
45:40
is the truth? It's like, what is the craziest thought
45:43
I can have? And then how can I make that
45:45
seem like the reality? And that's difficult because that's not
45:49
exactly what I ever really wanted to do. I thought
45:52
the truth was kind of crazy enough, But now we're
45:54
talking about just all kinds of things I never thought
45:57
would enter the conversation, Like people like our virus is
46:01
even real?
46:02
Speaker 3: Is the past even real at all?
46:05
Speaker 13: Like?
46:05
Speaker 14: Was there an extra thousand years inserted into the system?
46:08
Was there a lost society of amazing architects who knew
46:13
about the ether that have been wiped out of the
46:14
history books And a lot of that can't exist because
46:18
the system has been so highly controlled, And the further
46:21
you go back, the more control. A lot of our
46:23
history comes from, like three guys Scallenger and a couple
46:27
of other monks in the Vatican basement, Like not exactly
46:31
truthful sources. What do I know about Herodonis as a person?
46:35
You know, like not anything? Did he genuinely just want
46:38
to write down everything that happened? Or was he working
46:41
for an empire that wanted him to write it a
46:44
certain way? We should probably know because that's kind of
46:47
the only source we have for a lot of things
46:49
we take for granted. So I understand why that exists
46:52
and we can't play with it a little bit. But
46:54
it's a little disappointing that sometimes the people who get
46:58
attention to the conspiracy spirit today, they're not really in
47:02
it for the truth. They're more pranksters, and they're more trying.
47:06
They are trying to ontologically shock people, but it isn't
47:09
about there being a fundamental truth to what they're saying.
47:12
In some cases, and not to name names, but it's
47:16
just something we have to compete with. We have to
47:18
try to be genuine and truth seeking and entertaining and
47:25
actually explaining some thing to people, but also compete with
47:29
ones who are just trying to be shocking, getting the
47:32
best thumbnail and all that kind of shit. I never
47:34
wanted to get into thumbnails and nonsense like that. I
47:38
have one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers and it's just audio.
47:41
I mean, that's pretty crazy, and obviously I'm going to
47:45
pivot that, but it's just like now I can't even
47:49
get five thousand people to watch a video. I don't
47:51
care that much about YouTube because I don't do ads,
47:53
so who cares. As long as people pay for the
47:56
extended version of the show, that's what I am in
47:58
the business for. But because it's not ad base, that
48:02
doesn't matter. So I'm not really playing the chase the
48:04
algorithm game. And also it's not genuine and I think
48:08
that the worst thing I could do is like go
48:10
in some disingenuous direction. But yeah, that's kind of some
48:14
of the things that I think have changed, and it
48:17
does make it tougher.
48:20
Speaker 9: May I ask as a follow up to that, there
48:23
seems to be like a long time conspiracy theory theory
48:28
if you will to where if you mention anything related
48:32
to something conspiratorial that someone isn't familiar with, let alone
48:37
use that phrase, they try to put you into a box.
48:42
And kind of second part is this cultural phenomenon that
48:47
now we're dealing with more frequently where there's like a
48:51
trigger conspiracy where if you are rightfully angry at your
48:56
own exploitation and step out of line, people will kind
49:01
of put you into that same box as this conspiracy
49:06
theory idea. I just wanted to ask what your experience
49:10
has been with that.
49:11
Speaker 14: Well on the second point, the trigger, yeah, I definitely
49:15
think so part of that is like the ignorance is
49:18
bliss thing. A lot of people don't want to be
49:20
confronted with the fact that they might not be happy
49:23
living the life they're living, and so you see someone
49:27
like I have friends like this at the time, they
49:29
were working store manager jobs and they are happy or
49:33
they seem happy, and I'm the one who's not.
49:35
Speaker 15: You don't always want to be around that.
49:36
Speaker 14: You don't want to be reminded that we're all getting
49:38
to be thirty years old and we all run million
49:41
dollar stores.
49:41
Speaker 15: And none of us can own a home.
49:43
Speaker 14: Guys.
49:43
Speaker 15: You know, that's the kind of.
49:44
Speaker 14: Stuff I would say at these regional meetings with other managers,
49:48
and like, stop drinking the kool aid so much. If
49:50
we're here next year, we all fucked up, guys, this
49:53
is the year to get out of this. That's the
49:55
kind of shit I would say. And some people were like,
49:57
I like this guy, and other people really didn't want
50:00
to be reminded that they shouldn't be happy in the
50:03
situation they are because changing it is so hard.
50:05
Speaker 3: That's why.
50:06
Speaker 14: It's because you have a five percent chance of probably
50:10
making it and getting out because the system is crafted
50:14
that way. So yeah, people don't like that. But also
50:16
the triggering kind of conspiracy thing makes me think of
50:21
the archetype they would present to us in movies and TV,
50:24
where it's like you're a paranoid, schizophrenic, crazy person, and
50:28
that kind of enforces the idea, don't look at this stuff,
50:32
just leave it alone, live your nice, comfortable, regular life
50:36
where you have your brain intact. Because look at this guy.
50:39
He went down a few two rabbit holes. Now he's
50:41
going to the padded room on the funny farm. You know,
50:43
those are the terms they would use. So even I
50:46
think about the poster for I never even saw the
50:49
movie The Number twenty three with Jim Carrey, but I
50:51
didn't really have to see it. You just know from
50:53
the marketing what was about noticing patterns and then spinning
50:57
off in a crazy land, So like, don't notice patterns, guys,
51:00
just stop trying to do that. So yeah, I think
51:04
that it's partly the archetype they showed people to keep
51:07
them from going down those rabbit holes. But then it's
51:10
also people are willing to accept that archetype because they
51:13
want to believe that that's not going to serve them better.
51:16
And that's kind of when I started the show. I
51:18
was like, well, if we're going to get a more
51:20
accurate worldview out of all this, if we're going to
51:22
get a better roadmap for how things actually work, then
51:25
it should improve your life.
51:27
Speaker 3: In some way.
51:28
Speaker 14: I'm not saying we're going to change the system since
51:30
has been going a long time. Empire is going to
51:33
do what empire does. But how can you reorient yourself?
51:36
How can you let it not affect you as much?
51:39
Maybe you can dodge this bullet, but you get hit
51:41
by these two. There's so many things going on, Like
51:44
if you can just dodge some of the big stuff
51:46
or know what you want, then you can start to
51:49
get there. Know that you don't want to waste the
51:51
time on the couch at night. It's not fulfilling to you.
51:53
The job isn't fulfilling. You have to generate those earlier
51:57
feelings that we talked about that something must change to
52:01
then change it.
52:02
Speaker 3: So, but it's scary.
52:03
Speaker 14: It's just scary to even confront that possibility that you
52:07
have to take your life in your own hands, because
52:08
you just what if it doesn't work out? You know,
52:11
I'd rather be at least safe here at home and
52:14
unhappy than homeless or something like that, because you just
52:17
you imagine yourself being just as unhappy but with less
52:21
stuff too. It's like, well that's worse, I guess so,
52:25
And the first thing you were talking about being put
52:27
in the box and using certain terms are It's like,
52:30
are you talking about Like if you even think that
52:32
we should do safety tests, then you're an anti vaxer.
52:35
Like there are those boxes that people get put into
52:37
flat Earth. There's another one. If you think that there's
52:40
just something up with the way NASA is presenting the
52:44
larger system. We have this blue marble picture from the
52:46
nineteen seventies. They said is a picture of Earth, but
52:49
then they said it's not. It's a composite. And now
52:51
Earth's an oblate speroid. But I've never seen an oblate
52:54
spir speroid picture.
52:55
Speaker 3: Of the Earth.
52:56
Speaker 15: It's like, what is going on there?
52:58
Speaker 14: You know, just because you have some questions about how
53:00
things are presented doesn't mean you're a flat earther. But yeah,
53:04
this is the tendency. That's the way the mainstream marginalizes everyone.
53:08
It used to be just the term conspiracy theorist in general,
53:11
it is a CIA created term to be like, oh,
53:13
that person doesn't go for the facts. They're a conspiracy theorist,
53:16
dot connector down in rabbit oles, this and that. How
53:19
you handwave of it and dismiss those kind of people,
53:22
but there are now ones for basically each individual topic,
53:27
which is interesting if you yeah, the anti vaxxer, the
53:31
flat earther, now there's the germ theory thing, there's oh,
53:35
you're a tartaria person.
53:37
Speaker 15: It's just it's all straw men.
53:39
Speaker 13: You know.
53:39
Speaker 14: That's kind of classic dismissal if you don't want to
53:42
confront something. But yeah, it's also nice to try to
53:44
avoid making it easier for them to put you in
53:48
those boxes, because the answer is to try to get
53:50
to the nuance of certain points and then get people
53:53
to think outside of their pre program box.
53:58
Speaker 3: They're the ones in the box, not us. Well said,
54:04
did anybody else have any questions?
54:08
Speaker 10: Oh?
54:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, appreciate Greg carl Well again, JJ Vance not.
54:13
Speaker 8: The vice president. Great to meet you, sir. I enjoyed
54:16
hearing about your your journey there. I I would like
54:20
to hear some of your thoughts maybe on some of
54:21
the how your thoughts have evolved on some of these
54:23
subjects you've covered, and notably in particular, loader a topic
54:27
that I discovered from your show years ago on the
54:31
work of Adam go rightly in your in your interviews
54:33
and collaborations with him. The topic was Tuesday. Well and Julia,
54:38
Julie and I recently uh got subjects.
54:41
Speaker 3: Wow, wow you really are going back probably deep cut?
54:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, deep cut.
54:49
Speaker 14: Well, let's just say about Adam go Rightly. I like
54:52
and appreciate Adam go Rightly. He at a time when
54:55
I I never really wanted to do the show myself,
54:59
but I have. I had a couple of buddies that
55:01
were gonna do it with me, and they just weren't
55:03
as dedicated. So I was like, well, I guess I
55:05
will do it myself. But then I started to have
55:07
cycling co hosts. So I do a show every say Saturday,
55:11
and the first Saturday would be me alone, second Saturday,
55:14
this other guy, third Saturday, this other guy. One of
55:16
them was Adam go Rightly. So he was on like
55:19
every fourth show, and I'm way more interested in things
55:24
like James Shelby Downard. Now, I don't really like the
55:28
discordionism stuff because again, that's like a prankster thing. It
55:31
seems like an early QAnon type thing. And the way
55:36
Adam would write sometimes I'm like, are you just again
55:40
like you don't believe this, It doesn't seem but you're
55:42
writing it, so like maybe it's true, but you don't
55:46
believe it, So like, what are we doing here? Like
55:48
are you just trying to be provocative? Are you trying
55:50
to entertaining or be truthful? But we had a little
55:54
bit of a falling out. Not I wouldn't even say
55:56
a falling out. I have no problem, but just a
56:00
weird Twitter spat before the last election. And it just
56:04
seems like he drinks.
56:05
Speaker 15: The liberal kool aid.
56:07
Speaker 14: And he went on a big liberal rant to me
56:11
about like, oh, it's the right wing that's bad and
56:13
blah blah blah, and like they're all politicians. Man, the
56:16
pendulum swings both ways. You don't have to do this
56:19
just because we're talking about an issue with corruption on
56:23
the left. You don't have to say, well, what about
56:25
the right. It's like, we're not talking about that right now,
56:28
that's tomorrow subject. Today, we're talking about this side, okay.
56:31
And it just seemed like he was not willing at
56:34
all to confront the corruption that heads his own philosophical
56:40
leaning party. It's like, come on, it's on both sides.
56:44
So that was a little frustrating to experience. And I
56:48
think he has worse feelings about me from that exchange.
56:52
Than I have about him, because I don't take it
56:54
all that seriously. I'm not super vested in one team
56:57
over the other, but you know, it seems like he was.
57:00
And another thing that has happened to me is people
57:02
are so prepared for you to just become alt right.
57:07
They just they've been primed, so they're looking for it.
57:11
So when you criticize the other side, they're like, oh,
57:14
this is the transition, this is how it happens. You know,
57:17
all of a sudden, you're gonna be off there at
57:20
Tucker Carlson. It's like, not really, but we have to
57:23
be able to criticize both teams or whatever. But you know,
57:26
Adam Gorighty, it's like, you're a guy who probably i'd
57:32
say I'm pretty pretty sure, voted for Obama twice, voted
57:36
for Hillary, voted for Biden, and now you're yelling at
57:39
me on the internet because the people that head the
57:42
left are being called into criticism. It's like, if you're
57:46
just voting for the mainstream party and the mainstream candidates, Like,
57:50
what are you doing in conspiracy research?
57:52
Speaker 3: Dude?
57:52
Speaker 14: Honestly, like, what are we doing here? You don't thought
57:55
it was provocative? That's what you did.
57:57
Speaker 4: I thought you got very polarizing. Yeah, years ago. I
58:01
didn't mean to.
58:01
Speaker 8: It was a deeper cut than I thought there, Greg,
58:03
I apologized for bringing that up there, and we you know,
58:06
I have a similar take on Discordianism and his writings.
58:09
I like to I don't like to throw the baby
58:11
out with the bathtub, and you know, regarding Discordionism, what
58:14
I find interesting and something Heidi and I have been
58:16
working on is this looking at some of the genealogy.
58:19
You know, I'm a former Mormon, heid he's a former
58:21
Mormon looking at some of this occult genealogy of folks
58:24
like Parsons and you know, other folks within within the
58:27
Mormon sphere as well, like Carrie Thornley. His entire family
58:31
tree is pioneering Mormon families. And you know what troubles
58:34
me is his associations with the Processed Church of the
58:36
Final Judgment, because they certainly do act as similar to
58:39
an offshoot of some of their operations within creating chaos.
58:43
And Thornley just finds himself in around Atlanta, you know,
58:46
around the similar process activities come nineteen seventy nine.
58:52
Speaker 14: Yeah, I just I definitely tried that stuff out because
58:55
of Adam and our friendship and if he is interested,
58:59
I became interest. And then after a while I was like,
59:02
I feel like I'm just wasting time here because I
59:04
just don't know if anyone's genuine. I just had to
59:08
put it down, shut down to figure it out. But
59:11
it's kind of like a lot of the sixties stuff too.
59:13
I just like, I don't I just don't know. Especially
59:17
when you get into Dave McGowan. You just see how
59:19
many of the artists were the sons and daughters of
59:23
military intelligence, and you're like, absolutely, well that's an op
59:27
that's kind of how it's to be.
59:28
Speaker 1: That's my favorite wheelhouse, Laurel Canyon.
59:32
Speaker 8: And that same pattern applies to Seattle grunch scene as well.
59:35
So I mean it's it seems to be a circumstance.
59:38
These these same patterns from the McGowan identified and Laurel
59:41
Canyon seemed topplay elsewhere in music scenes.
59:44
Speaker 14: Yeah, and I wonder, like, what's up with the grunge thing.
59:46
I guess the whole point was it grunges hippie adjacent.
59:49
It's just like, you know, do heroin and be a
59:51
slob and just don't care for me.
59:54
Speaker 1: Love Courtney Love. She's cias a motherfucker.
59:59
Speaker 4: Oh the whole movie CIA for sure, Absolutely.
1:00:01
Speaker 14: Yeah, Courtney Love. John Pittash does some great work on
1:00:06
Courtney Love. And she was over in the UK selling
1:00:09
drugs at festivals. Basically that's what a lot of these
1:00:14
CIA plants in the music scene would do, is sell
1:00:17
drugs in the festival scene and wouldn't get caught because
1:00:19
they're connected. But apparently she went from that to being
1:00:23
a groupie to being married to Kurt Cobain, So it
1:00:26
gets weird. But now I think the big thing is
1:00:29
it's crazy because I become an old man, I'm like,
1:00:31
I can't believe what the kids are doing.
1:00:33
Speaker 15: But now you got like.
1:00:34
Speaker 14: Little Zan, Little Zan now yeah, corporate drugs being branded
1:00:39
as the party drugs, Like, can't we at least stick
1:00:41
to things that grow in the earth, like we're promoting
1:00:44
xanax now it it's strange. And then the face tattoos,
1:00:48
I think that is like the last thing you can
1:00:51
do if you convince I mean there's other things that
1:00:54
they seem to be doing to kids that are permanent too,
1:00:57
but if you can convince someone eighteen to twenty eight
1:01:00
to get a face tattoo like I mean, if the
1:01:05
so one of my big conspiracy premises is that the
1:01:07
things they do are really just to ensure they never
1:01:09
have competition in the wealth game. If you want to
1:01:12
cut the knees out from someone trying to climb a
1:01:16
ladder of developing wealth and starting a business, get them
1:01:19
to tattoo their face, because that's going to be very
1:01:22
hard for them.
1:01:23
Speaker 17: Now.
1:01:24
Speaker 1: But I want to look like Posts Malone.
1:01:26
Speaker 14: Exactly exactly Pete Davidson. You know all the girls love
1:01:31
Pete Davidson. He's covered head to toe in tattoos and
1:01:33
looks like a dupis. I should act like that and
1:01:36
do what he does.
1:01:37
Speaker 12: I actually have a question for you that goes kind
1:01:39
of along the Laurel Canyon thing. If nobody else has
1:01:42
a question, I don't want to skip anybody's turn. Do
1:01:49
you feel like the podcasting world right now is Laurel
1:01:53
Canyon esque?
1:01:54
Speaker 1: Because I do. I feel like there's gatekeeping.
1:01:57
Speaker 12: I feel like only certain people can get to the
1:01:59
to only certain topics can get there.
1:02:02
Speaker 1: You have to fit a certain mold.
1:02:04
Speaker 12: Now, it's like be a Christian conspiracy podcaster, do this,
1:02:08
do that? Russell Brand, Joe Rogan hate to say it
1:02:12
tinfoil hat. I mean, I'm just saying I feel like
1:02:15
there's a moral Canyon esque behavior going on, and I
1:02:19
wonder what your opinion of that is.
1:02:23
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I mean, you're gonna get me in trouble.
1:02:26
But I do think that that's happening, so agreed. The
1:02:29
thing is that some people think it's sour grapes, like well,
1:02:31
why am I not at the top of the charts
1:02:34
and this and that, I'm no where I am in
1:02:37
the charts. I'd never thought i'd be on any charts.
1:02:39
And I make a really good living and I don't
1:02:42
ever take AD money. I mean that there's no one.
1:02:46
I can't think of another person who is as successful
1:02:49
as I am without going into the AD infrastructure and
1:02:51
has done it for fifteen years.
1:02:53
Speaker 15: So I'm pretty coming.
1:02:54
Speaker 1: I think that's admirable.
1:02:56
Speaker 12: But I do think there's a lot of like I
1:03:00
don't know suspect to say the least with like what
1:03:03
topics get big and like, yeah.
1:03:06
Speaker 14: Well that's driven that's driven by somewhat the AD revenue.
1:03:10
And I'm actually talking to a guy tomorrow seven C's.
1:03:12
He does these big webs of connections that shows Here
1:03:16
are the major companies that advertise on podcasts. Here are
1:03:20
the people who own these companies. Some of them are
1:03:23
like Peter Thiel and Peter Too Technocracy and stuff. So
1:03:30
you have these very people funding the brands that seem
1:03:35
innoculous and innocent enough that are fueling podcasters to six
1:03:40
and sec seven figure wealth. That's a big deal. So yeah,
1:03:44
it's like it's definitely happening. And some of it is
1:03:49
like probably a bit of networking. Like you'll have some
1:03:53
shows where it seems like every week they're talking to
1:03:56
some CIA whistleblower or military intelligence with blower. It's like, well,
1:04:01
there's not that many of them to base your whole
1:04:03
show on a revolving door of these whistleblowers. Maybe these
1:04:07
are people who are seating a narrative in the alternative culture.
1:04:11
It seems like that's kind of what's really happening.
1:04:13
Speaker 12: But Candice Owens gits me every time because I feel
1:04:17
like she she like switched up, like halfway through her
1:04:21
she was all trumping and now she's talking to like XCIA,
1:04:25
and like she has some good episodes, and I like
1:04:27
some of her research. Don't get me wrong. I'll listen
1:04:30
to an episode or two. But I just think that, yeah,
1:04:35
I mean, it just seems like Russell Brand is like
1:04:38
that everybody's coming out as a Christian or everybody's coming out.
1:04:41
It's like this is the thing to talk about. And
1:04:43
I wonder how if they're genuine, you know, I hate
1:04:47
disingenuine podcast hosts because it's like I want to learn
1:04:52
something from you, I want to like you, but you
1:04:54
make it fucking impossible because I don't know if you're
1:04:58
if you have any integrity.
1:04:59
Speaker 17: You know what I'm say right, everybody, everybody knows this
1:05:03
is my big like whistle to blow within the podcast community,
1:05:08
I think, and I get some fair backlash for it,
1:05:10
But if you want to know the fruits of people's labors,
1:05:13
why don't you watch?
1:05:14
Speaker 13: And then on top of it, if you aren't bought in,
1:05:18
like what Greg's saying there about like who finances who?
1:05:22
Speaker 3: I always look at stockholdings.
1:05:24
Speaker 13: I always look at all this stuff for these big corporations,
1:05:26
like who's playing in Who's field?
1:05:28
Speaker 3: Right?
1:05:29
Speaker 13: And then genealogy, As JJ said, you either butt your
1:05:32
way in or your blood your way in.
1:05:34
Speaker 3: And that's the only two ways there is, especially.
1:05:38
Speaker 14: In conspiracy pot or I'm sorry. In comedy podcasting in particular,
1:05:44
it's hard to find a comedian podcaster in the top
1:05:48
ten that doesn't have something going on.
1:05:51
Speaker 15: Usually just really rich connected.
1:05:54
Speaker 1: Parents, you know, isn't that crazy?
1:05:57
Speaker 14: Brian Callen gets it all the time because Brian Callen
1:06:00
dad is a CFR think tank banker guy. But it
1:06:04
doesn't just stop there. I mean there's other ones that
1:06:07
have hedge fund manager fathers. And Theovon's dad was some
1:06:13
Polish aristocrat. It's like theovonn you know, you can't that's
1:06:17
the other thing. You can't control what your parents did.
1:06:19
You're born into this life. You're born into the skin
1:06:22
you're born in, and you're born into the family you're
1:06:23
born in, and that shouldn't stop you from doing whatever
1:06:26
you want to do. And if your parents give you
1:06:28
a little seed money, I don't think that's bad. So
1:06:31
I don't really have a problem with that. It's about
1:06:33
it if you're using it to you know, do information,
1:06:40
you know, disinformation filtered out through your podcast.
1:06:43
Speaker 3: Great.
1:06:43
Speaker 14: But then the thing is is like Theovon's got this
1:06:45
dad right, who is a Polish aristocrat, and you can say, well,
1:06:49
his dad was like something crazy like seventy when THEO
1:06:54
was born or something really crazy like that, and so
1:06:57
he didn't really even know his dad very well. But
1:06:59
there might have been some benefits and some effects, but
1:07:01
he probably just wanted to grow up with a dad.
1:07:03
And now the internet's raking him over the coals for this.
1:07:06
But on the other hand, he is interviewing Trump. He's
1:07:09
interviewing the president. So what's going on here, because it
1:07:13
seems like those connections do management interviewing the president, well,
1:07:18
he already did. Oh fuck, he did a three hour
1:07:21
interview with Trump before he got elected, and right before
1:07:24
before Rogan did even.
1:07:28
Speaker 4: Comedy store.
1:07:29
Speaker 1: There you go, JJ, I want to like these people,
1:07:32
but there's just too much.
1:07:33
Speaker 14: I don't know if I would lump Sam Tripoli in there, though.
1:07:36
I mean, I know you, I heard you mentioned him.
1:07:38
I was a little nervous.
1:07:39
Speaker 3: I was like, is this a gootcha?
1:07:40
Speaker 14: Because I think that the occult rejects and and and
1:07:43
Sam had a dust up.
1:07:45
Speaker 15: I don't know what it was about. I just know
1:07:47
he's been nice to me.
1:07:47
Speaker 14: He let me live out some fantasies of performing at
1:07:51
the comedy store that I had no business doing.
1:07:53
Speaker 15: But now I can at least write it off like
1:07:56
I did do that.
1:07:58
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've met him a couple of I mean, I
1:08:01
don't have anything against him or anything like that. I
1:08:03
just as a conspiracy theorist in this realm, you have
1:08:07
to question everyone, like even any of us, you know.
1:08:11
Speaker 14: But if we're talking about like who has had an
1:08:13
advantage by being connected through the system, I don't know
1:08:17
if Sam conforms to that model. I don't know his
1:08:20
parents or anything, but he strikes me as someone who
1:08:23
has just been putting in the sweat equity at the
1:08:25
comedy store for years and years, and then podcasting happened
1:08:29
and he transitioned, and yeah, he does a bunch of ads,
1:08:32
he sells memberships, he does everything he can do to
1:08:35
make it a career. He's also dealing with the LA
1:08:37
scene and like what that whole culture is. But I
1:08:40
feel like he finally had his energies and efforts pay
1:08:44
off in podcasting, and it was only maybe not paying
1:08:47
off so much or getting him to the middle of comedy,
1:08:50
or he was doing more of like putting shows together
1:08:52
rather than like being that. I don't know exactly, but
1:08:55
it seems like comedy itself was a lot more lucrative
1:08:58
for a lot of his friends than him and now,
1:09:01
and that's what I'm thinking. That's what I think. If
1:09:03
we're trying to assess like who is connected, who is disingenuous,
1:09:09
you know, who is using Daddy's network to funnel Think
1:09:12
Tank guests through to the airwaves. I don't put him
1:09:16
in that category. But I mean I also have probably
1:09:18
picked him bad. I think I have a pretty good picker.
1:09:20
But there's definitely times where after reading a book and
1:09:24
not wanting to cancel, I'm like, shit, I don't know
1:09:27
if I buy this narrative or not.
1:09:29
Speaker 15: I have a problem with being two nice nice.
1:09:31
Speaker 14: So sometimes people will come to me with a pitch
1:09:35
and I just don't want to say no, and I'm like, yeah,
1:09:37
we can do it.
1:09:38
Speaker 3: Now, a show like Sam or a show.
1:09:39
Speaker 14: Like a lot of other ones that are AD supported,
1:09:41
you just say yeah, let's do it, because you can
1:09:42
always do another one. I'm in the business of selling
1:09:45
five good interviews a month, so if I give three
1:09:49
of those slots to people who pitched me, and then
1:09:52
I'm like, an, this is kind of milk toast, I
1:09:54
still got to do it, And that's in my thing.
1:09:56
Speaker 3: I didn't make it.
1:09:57
Speaker 14: I mean, I can't say I didn't make any money
1:09:58
from that show, but it's it's the same as just
1:10:00
another SATVA AD supported show.
1:10:03
Speaker 15: Another better help support your ad.
1:10:05
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure to build a punk if I might had
1:10:08
a caveat on the weird scenes inside of the Comedy
1:10:10
Store and in the dust up you previously mentioned there, Greg, Yeah,
1:10:13
I wasn't trying to redust up anything. There's a good analysis.
1:10:16
They were good assessment. But what I was referring to
1:10:18
is the fact you got all these major if you're
1:10:21
a comedian in Hollywood for many decades, the shores, the
1:10:23
folks who ran the Comedy Store for many years, shores folks.
1:10:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, they gave the.
1:10:27
Speaker 8: Green light if you were getting on a Hollywood camera
1:10:29
in front of the camera as a comedian in any film,
1:10:32
like you were getting green lip by the shores, Right.
1:10:34
Speaker 4: That's kind of kind of the way I look at
1:10:36
the weird scenes aspect to it.
1:10:38
Speaker 3: Sure.
1:10:38
Speaker 14: I mean Sam brought that up in the interview I
1:10:40
did with him, as he was like, think about the
1:10:43
He didn't get too deep into it, he was a
1:10:45
little vague, but he did say, like, think about that culture,
1:10:49
all the heavy hitters going back to like the Eddie
1:10:51
Murphy Robin Williams days, like everyone who's anyone is there
1:10:55
at the comedy store. You think that it wasn't infiltrated
1:10:58
by intelligence And he kind of left it at that,
1:11:02
but yeah, absolutely.
1:11:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, to build upon that with what Jay you said
1:11:08
and what you're saying, it's almost, like you said, disingenuous.
1:11:12
We see a track record of the Alphabet Boys and
1:11:15
intelligentsia infiltrating every single faction of culture and influence, and
1:11:20
so it would be somewhat educationally naive to not think
1:11:26
that they have not infiltrated, especially the conspiracy realm, especially
1:11:31
the bubble. And on that whole premise, do you think
1:11:38
that potentially that the conspiracy algorithm bubble is kind of
1:11:43
like an mk ultra spillover and that they're programming people
1:11:46
through these conspiracy targeted I guess podcasters, and that they're
1:11:52
like like a psychotronic layer that's being exploited by statecraft.
1:11:58
It goes well beyond data mining. But now you've taken
1:12:04
the projects that happened in Harvard or in Stanford or
1:12:08
in Eslain, and now you've gone global.
1:12:12
Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't know how much it applies to conspiracy
1:12:14
podcasting as much as just the Internet and social media
1:12:18
in general. Obviously we're all participating in that to promote
1:12:22
every show and every venture that people have, But yeah,
1:12:26
I think social media was kind of designed out of that.
1:12:29
I interviewed this guy Schwab a couple of times, and
1:12:31
he's gone deep on early cybernetics and just early computer
1:12:37
gaming and how it was psychologists and behaviorists logging data,
1:12:44
watching patterns, seeing how minds react to this and that,
1:12:48
and that's all like stuff from the eighties. All of
1:12:52
that is the data that gets used today even still.
1:12:56
So yeah, they're constantly refining in the conspiracy world. I
1:13:01
really just think it's the thing that's the biggest problem
1:13:04
is when a big show would have someone on for
1:13:10
a topic that should be more in my lane, they
1:13:13
kind of dip in and out of the conspiracy lane
1:13:15
every once in a while, and they promote a given
1:13:20
person and their perspective and their books and their narrative.
1:13:23
And that's a little frustrating because to a common person
1:13:27
it gives the appearance that like, oh, they'll go wherever
1:13:29
the story, they'll go wherever they need to go to
1:13:31
get the truth and it's like, I'm not sure that's
1:13:33
exactly what you're watching. But I said, I have gotten
1:13:37
it wrong before too. I know I've picked guests that
1:13:39
I wouldn't have on again.
1:13:41
Speaker 3: Sometimes.
1:13:42
Speaker 14: I also think, especially in the early days when there
1:13:44
weren't as many podcasts, sometimes there was just value in
1:13:47
having on a person who maybe is connected and like
1:13:52
giving them enough rope to hang themselves with it. They say,
1:13:55
you could look at my early comments section be like, man,
1:13:57
I actually think I trusted this person when I only
1:14:00
saw them on ancient aliens or only heard them in
1:14:02
ten minute sound bites one hundred when you ask them
1:14:05
deeper questions about their work and let them go for
1:14:08
a full two hours. Now, I don't think I had
1:14:10
liked this person anymore or trust that they know anything.
1:14:13
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said. Yeah, that doesn't happen as.
1:14:16
Speaker 15: Much these days. But it had a value for a
1:14:19
certain amount of time.
1:14:21
Speaker 12: I can imagine it was slim pickens there in the
1:14:24
beginning too. As long as you've been doing it.
1:14:27
Speaker 3: It's harder now.
1:14:29
Speaker 14: Back when I was doing it, nobody was asking these
1:14:31
people for interviews. They were jumping out a chance to
1:14:33
be interviewed on a show that sound like shit and
1:14:36
wasn't full of ads. Now, part of the reason why
1:14:39
I'm pivoting to video is I have liked to present
1:14:42
guests as best as I can through the audio quality,
1:14:46
the intro, this and that, the audience size, but that
1:14:50
video component is missing, and so I think it's harder
1:14:53
to separate. It's harder to see what's special about my
1:14:57
show without being able to show someone a video component
1:15:00
if they're not already familiar. When there's thirty other people
1:15:03
asking for interviews and lyning about their numbers, usually you know,
1:15:07
so many people just say, oh, I got a million listeners.
1:15:09
It's like you don't, because there's only so many people
1:15:12
that do.
1:15:13
Speaker 15: I don't.
1:15:13
Speaker 14: Even so you know, you're in the top one percent
1:15:17
of one percent of one percent, and I've never heard
1:15:19
of your show. It's possible, I guess, but I have
1:15:21
kind of had my finger on the pulse of this
1:15:23
place for a while. So you're competing. You're trying to
1:15:26
get an interview with someone who is in high demand,
1:15:29
hearing kind of manipulated numbers from other people and having
1:15:34
a video presentation where they're like, oh, well that.
1:15:37
Speaker 15: Looks pretty good. People are vain.
1:15:38
Speaker 14: They want to look good, they want to be presented well,
1:15:40
and if all I have to show is audio, it's
1:15:42
a little hard to show how well they'll be presented
1:15:45
in that audio format. So it's another reason to pivot
1:15:47
is I think I might go back to being able
1:15:52
to get any guests I want, whereas right now I
1:15:56
get more nose than I used to get. I get
1:15:58
more knows today than I did years ago. And I
1:16:00
think it's just the volume that shocks me, the volume
1:16:04
of people asking.
1:16:07
Speaker 10: And are you finding all of these guests yourself or
1:16:10
do you rely on or do you have an assistant
1:16:12
or anything else that's trawling the boards and stuff, because
1:16:15
that's a ton of work. If I interviews a month
1:16:17
and then reading their material or catching up with their
1:16:20
videos and stuff like that, that's a lot.
1:16:24
Speaker 14: Yeah, that is the part of the job. I've never outsourced.
1:16:27
I outsourced the editing. I outsourced the clips. I have
1:16:32
a team who makes social media clips, and you know
1:16:34
how everybody's using the same AI little clip making things
1:16:38
now and I'm like, you guys, go ahead and make
1:16:40
them post them.
1:16:40
Speaker 3: I don't care.
1:16:42
Speaker 14: But other than that, I've never outsourced anything. It seems
1:16:45
like that's the thing that can't be outsourced. I must,
1:16:48
But like I said, people do pitch me and then
1:16:50
I just don't want to say no.
1:16:52
Speaker 3: I can't. Mario has been on.
1:16:54
Speaker 14: I can't remember if I reached out to you or
1:16:55
you reached out to me first.
1:16:57
Speaker 3: I know you were familiar with me, which is the best.
1:17:00
Speaker 14: The best is when I reach out to someone cold
1:17:02
and they're like, I've listened to you for ten years.
1:17:04
Oh great, so I don't have to make my pitch anymore.
1:17:07
Let's just do a good interview. And it's like I
1:17:10
picked them and they know me already. That's great, But
1:17:13
I can't remember who pitched you.
1:17:14
Speaker 10: But yeah, you reached out to me, and it was
1:17:18
exactly that. I was like, oh, dude, I've been listening
1:17:20
to you for like a long time.
1:17:21
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the best. But I get emails every day
1:17:23
of it's usually from the same like pr formatted interview
1:17:27
of like we love what you're doing at the higher side, chats,
1:17:30
we want to introduce you to this person, and it's
1:17:33
like almost always I should just say no to those,
1:17:36
just on principle, like just don't just say a blanket
1:17:41
no and go find your five each month.
1:17:43
Speaker 3: You know, it's really a big deal.
1:17:45
Speaker 14: I see in the chat someone wants to talk about Twiman,
1:17:47
which I don't mind talking about, although it does get
1:17:51
me in trouble because I don't choose my words carefully
1:17:54
and sensitive subjects.
1:17:56
Speaker 3: People don't like you to just wing it.
1:18:00
Speaker 18: Yes, Oh well real, real, real quick, real quick, Robi,
1:18:05
you want to know about Actually, could Robbie just go
1:18:07
first before we get into that, because I didn't forget
1:18:10
on the screen for that.
1:18:10
Speaker 14: Well.
1:18:11
Speaker 16: I was basically going to follow up on exactly what
1:18:14
Lisa was talking about in regard to this, as you
1:18:19
you know, you go back to the World's Fair and
1:18:21
there was the Nimrod Ferranti first digital computer. It was
1:18:25
a gaming computer and they've slowly worked it, you know,
1:18:28
and then you get into Norbert Wiener and cybernetics, and
1:18:32
you just follow this up into the modern you know,
1:18:35
DARPA and everything that's going on. And it seems that
1:18:42
since MK Ultra kind of had congressional hearings and they
1:18:46
kind of went underground on a certain level that you know,
1:18:50
with MK search and MK Naomi and all these various
1:18:53
projects that you know, when you look at like, you know,
1:18:56
various streaming platforms like Netflix bringing back the rested development,
1:19:02
and all of a sudden, everybody's on a commune and
1:19:04
they're eating mushrooms, and then you have the introduction of like,
1:19:07
you know, weeds, and granted, you know, marijuana is a
1:19:11
different level, I think when you get into some of
1:19:13
these higher psychedelics. But at the same time, it seems
1:19:16
like within the popular vernacular, very much like with at
1:19:22
the end of the Vietnam War, how they were pushing
1:19:25
tune in, turn on drop out through Yale marketing to
1:19:28
basically capture these protesters and take them away, empowering the
1:19:34
government per se. On a higher level, is there a
1:19:38
conceited effort maybe to initiate the population as a whole
1:19:44
into psychedelic culture, into this occult kind of thinking, into
1:19:52
conspiracy culture or is it art imitating reality or reality
1:19:58
imitating art? And it's kind of a vicious circular thing
1:20:02
that just kind of is expansive within the natural thing,
1:20:05
you know.
1:20:06
Speaker 3: I think it's a great question.
1:20:08
Speaker 14: I have a lot of questions about that myself, because
1:20:12
I do find psychedelics to be something that breaks you
1:20:15
out of the materialist programming, and it's been hugely beneficial
1:20:19
to me. I would say the category of marijuana, mushrooms,
1:20:24
and basically in ayahuasca.
1:20:27
Speaker 15: I would put those three things in a box.
1:20:29
Speaker 14: I've never even I've done LSD a time or two
1:20:31
and people love it and they say it's very mushrooms adjacent,
1:20:35
but it is synthesized in a lab That kind of
1:20:38
freaks me out a little bit, like what is the
1:20:39
true agenda behind it? But really, I think anything that
1:20:42
breaks you out of your rut and your programming is good.
1:20:46
Speaker 3: But yet they are promoting it for sure.
1:20:49
Speaker 14: I was talking to one of my return guests, Kris Knowles,
1:20:52
about this one time, and he started talking about how
1:20:55
he's getting these emails about so and so university wants
1:20:58
you to come participate in the study mushrooms and or
1:21:01
at least donate to it, and this is happening, and
1:21:03
he's like, why are you being so nice to me?
1:21:07
Speaker 3: And I just thought that was a.
1:21:08
Speaker 15: Great way to phrase what he's talking about.
1:21:10
Speaker 14: I just like, something's going on here. You're you're being
1:21:12
too nice to me, You're talking about this too much.
1:21:15
It just doesn't feel right, feels like an op so
1:21:18
it's pushed exactly and I don't know why, because I
1:21:22
thought the game was kind of to keep people in
1:21:24
the materialist box. It could just be for that that
1:21:28
whole hippie movement thing like let's get people distracted and
1:21:33
navel gazing, so that it's another form of not doing
1:21:36
anything but feeling like you did something. You know, we're
1:21:40
so programmed to such a finite level that even just
1:21:43
having a level one Level two awakening takes people ten
1:21:48
years to unpack, and life is only ninety years if
1:21:51
you're lucky.
1:21:51
Speaker 16: So and that's the thing. You know, You've been going
1:21:54
through this material for fifteen years. You know, when I
1:21:57
was thirteen, fourteen years old, I was reading Robert Anton Wilson,
1:22:01
William Burrows, Carlos Castaneda. You know, so I've been marching
1:22:04
down this road for like forty years. And philosophically, in
1:22:09
the long run, it helps you cut the truth from
1:22:11
the lie. It helps center. But for people just coming
1:22:15
into it, I know at times when I was coming
1:22:18
up that you know, you get you get caught in
1:22:20
these you know, Discordianism, or you get caught in you
1:22:23
know potentially you know, like Buddhism or any of these
1:22:27
various things you kind of spin off into.
1:22:30
Speaker 1: And you become a juggernaut for that force.
1:22:33
Speaker 16: Unpotentially you know, you know, and and so it's like
1:22:38
it's like just a bigger picture that is a long
1:22:43
road that a lot of people really don't understand in
1:22:47
regard to getting caught in these ideas, which I think
1:22:51
is where the fault is within all of this stuff.
1:22:54
Speaker 3: Really, you know, yeah, I agree with you.
1:22:57
Speaker 14: Uh, I don't know exactlyactly why they're promoting mushrooms in
1:23:02
particular is the one that I just find to be odd.
1:23:04
Maybe they're gmo mushrooms are going to introduce and they've
1:23:07
done something that sends you off into another direction or
1:23:12
melts your mind in an unproductive way. It's just you
1:23:16
can't deny that it's there. And the whole microdosing trend,
1:23:20
I don't know what that's about. I think the point
1:23:22
of mushrooms is to have a heroic experience, as Terrence
1:23:25
McKenna would say. But I can't say micro microdosing has
1:23:30
no value. I mean, I used to get high in
1:23:32
the parking lot before going in to do my job
1:23:34
because it just helped me cope with it. I think
1:23:37
some people use microdosing like that, but other people are
1:23:40
like I get my best ideas this and that, so
1:23:43
I try not to judge it, but you can definitely
1:23:45
see it being pushed and we'll know later why.
1:23:48
Speaker 3: It's often how these things work.
1:23:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, the venture.
1:23:52
Speaker 15: As therapeutic, Yeah, exactly.
1:23:56
Speaker 14: And it's the same universities who are involved in mk
1:23:58
ultra that are now doing their mushroom studies and this
1:24:01
and that.
1:24:01
Speaker 15: It's definitely raise an eyebrow.
1:24:04
Speaker 13: We're seeing a lot of mental breakdowns from the mix
1:24:07
of pot and mushrooms, and I'm talking full blown psychosis
1:24:12
for upwards of a year now, and we're seeing this constantly,
1:24:17
specifically with dab and mushroom.
1:24:20
Speaker 14: Oh I'm so glad you said that, because that's what
1:24:22
I was thinking, because I do know a couple of
1:24:24
people who dabs became their daily ingestion of marijuana and
1:24:29
it did not go well. They spun off, lost their jobs,
1:24:32
stop paying their mortgages, lost their homes.
1:24:37
Speaker 15: Just decision casualty.
1:24:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:24:40
Speaker 14: Like I just always say, like, does is it serving you?
1:24:43
Is it doing? Like for me, marijuana serves me pretty well.
1:24:46
It might not always now, it just serves me in
1:24:49
the evenings to me and my wife are like, well
1:24:51
we got through another day with these kids, Like now
1:24:53
they're asleep, Now we're relaxing, and we'll start again tomorrow.
1:24:57
But like that's something that I feel like I earn
1:24:59
at the end of the day now. But I definitely
1:25:01
don't have the permastone lifestyle I maybe once did, And
1:25:06
obviously you can overindulge in anything.
1:25:09
Speaker 3: Well, I think they're tainting it. I think you're right,
1:25:11
I think sometimes for sure.
1:25:13
Speaker 16: Well, also there's when you get into Hourly and looking
1:25:16
at his background and the chemical research that he was
1:25:20
involved in. One of the substances that they tried to
1:25:23
introduce later was the substance STP that basically when you
1:25:27
take it, it's like LSD, but it wrecks you for
1:25:31
like weeks on end, and like people don't come back
1:25:34
from it, you know. So there it's you know, it
1:25:38
seems nefarious, But at times I think maybe they're just
1:25:41
trying to eradicate the populace to the point where maybe
1:25:45
they're spinning off people that are more inventive and thinking
1:25:48
outside the box more so that we have more expansive possibilities.
1:25:53
But at the same time, I've seen the destruction that
1:25:56
a lot of this stuff has caused over the years,
1:25:59
and it's you know, worriesome.
1:26:01
Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of it is a numbers game.
1:26:04
Speaker 14: They introduce something because they know X amount of people
1:26:07
will burn out on it, and they'll the ones who
1:26:11
get through, they'll find another challenge for those people. If
1:26:15
it isn't just the economic burden that we're under, it'll
1:26:18
be something else.
1:26:23
Speaker 2: I actually had a.
1:26:23
Speaker 7: Quick question, Greg, how do you personally reconcile rectify perhaps
1:26:30
the current state of how the conspiracy community or the
1:26:34
conspiracy canon maybe is a more interesting metafictional way to
1:26:39
sort of frame it. It's very decoherent, and how do
1:26:42
you define the contours of the truth what that means
1:26:45
for both yourself but also like as you were saying,
1:26:49
like what guests you have on like, how do you
1:26:51
decide and what sort of gives you the framework maybe
1:26:56
ontological framework to define what you think the truth is
1:26:59
and how you to present your vision and your show.
1:27:02
Speaker 15: I mean, it's a good question, and it is a
1:27:04
case by case basis.
1:27:06
Speaker 14: I suppose on a lot of subjects, but I usually
1:27:09
cite the line in the the theme song for the show,
1:27:12
which I wrote, is we know they're lying to us.
1:27:14
Speaker 3: We don't know to what degree.
1:27:16
Speaker 14: So you know, I might go to an eight on
1:27:19
a certain thing, but I've never really closed off from
1:27:22
the upper levels. It's just, you know, because I've been
1:27:25
burned before. I think we've all been like, no, I'm
1:27:27
super sure about this one thing, and then you're presented
1:27:30
with new information You're like, wow, I'm changing my mind
1:27:32
about that.
1:27:33
Speaker 15: I never thought I would.
1:27:34
Speaker 3: So that's why I.
1:27:35
Speaker 14: Try not to get too attached anymore. But I think
1:27:39
that some things go to a level of silliness. And
1:27:43
you know I say that now I hear myself saying it,
1:27:45
and it's like, well, you know, we throw out an
1:27:47
example of it.
1:27:48
Speaker 15: The mudflood stuff doesn't really resonate with me all that much.
1:27:52
Speaker 14: But then I'm sure there's people on this call who
1:27:54
are like, what, Like, that's my old bread and butter,
1:27:56
the mud flood. There's definitely areas where you can see
1:27:59
that buildings go down like they have been buried on
1:28:03
that first floor. Sometimes there's an explanation for it, like
1:28:06
the earthquakes that happened in San Francisco. Sometimes there isn't
1:28:09
an explanation for it. The World's fair stuff is really interesting.
1:28:13
Speaker 3: I have lived in.
1:28:16
Speaker 14: At least two of the major places. Saint Louis, and
1:28:20
I mean Saint Louis, Chicago and San Diego are all
1:28:24
big World's Fair cities, and all of them have buildings
1:28:29
which the official story says these buildings were built quickly
1:28:34
just for the World's Fair, with the intention of being
1:28:36
taken down afterwards, and they're still there, and they definitely
1:28:39
are made of real building materials. These aren't paper mache buildings.
1:28:43
Speaker 1: So Chris and shit like that.
1:28:47
Speaker 14: Yeah, and you can kind of start to put together
1:28:51
a romanticized version of the past where no, they did
1:28:54
know about the ether, and they did know about energy,
1:28:56
and these cathedrals were built to well up energy and
1:28:59
this and that. I want to believe some of that stuff,
1:29:02
but I don't know there's much of a record of
1:29:04
it at all. But then they control the record. So
1:29:06
can you really wipe out something absolutely? That's really what
1:29:10
you have to wrestle with. I think, can can something
1:29:16
like a whole civilization, a whole empire be completely wiped out?
1:29:20
There's a druidic erasure that people talk about, but we
1:29:23
all know the term druid. No one knew the term
1:29:26
totaria until like five years ago, so I don't know,
1:29:30
it does get to be a slippery slope. I try
1:29:32
to never close the door on anything as long as
1:29:36
it sounds like it could exist within the framework of
1:29:40
a soul's school reality that has pretty flexible physics. That's
1:29:44
what I think this is. So most things are on
1:29:47
the table. I just try to I guess I try
1:29:50
to be honest about if it's speculative or if we
1:29:53
have a pretty good case to make. That used to
1:29:55
be the whole way I would structure the show is
1:29:58
here's the person who wrote a book book on Laurel
1:30:01
Canyon being in operation. Let's have them. I'm going to
1:30:04
help him make the case. I've read the material, I'm
1:30:07
familiar with it. Sometimes it's complex. Sometimes authors aren't the
1:30:10
best speakers. I'm here to help synthesize this complex material
1:30:14
for the layman, and you make up your own mind
1:30:17
how good a case we made when the interview is over,
1:30:20
and sometimes like sometimes it's ironclad. Sometimes it changes the
1:30:24
way you think about something forever, and other times you're like, huh,
1:30:27
if those are the best arguments for that, then I think.
1:30:29
Speaker 3: It's a little flimsy.
1:30:30
Speaker 14: And that's just kind of the general approach, I would
1:30:34
go about all the stuff we look at.
1:30:38
Speaker 10: I'm just kind of curious in terms of what resonates
1:30:41
with your audience. I know you've gone through multiple eras.
1:30:43
I don't know how many, you know, fifteen years. That's
1:30:45
a long time in the world of the internet, you know, Yeah,
1:30:48
but like what really clicks with people, what gets the
1:30:52
most engagement and stuff like that, and maybe also to
1:30:56
what gets the most engagement and what resonates that you
1:31:00
didn't think necessarily would, what surprise you in that regard.
1:31:05
Speaker 14: Well, what resonates that doesn't surprise me is like synchro
1:31:08
mysticism stuff and really stuff adjacent to what you do.
1:31:11
I think people love to see those examples. So first,
1:31:15
I always say that I think a lot of us
1:31:17
get into conspiracy because there is a charge that you
1:31:20
get from your first like crack in an official narrative.
1:31:24
You're like, WHOA, something didn't look right about that. But
1:31:27
now I saw a documentary that showed me what it
1:31:29
really was, and that that has changed my life. Now
1:31:31
if everyone could just watch the documentary, we'd be.
1:31:33
Speaker 15: Able to fix it.
1:31:34
Speaker 14: That's where it all falls apart, because you have people
1:31:36
in your life who won't even look at it, and
1:31:39
when even ones who do, who definitely won't go there
1:31:42
or change their worldview at all. So the charge thing,
1:31:47
I think that charge starts to wane over time. It's
1:31:50
hard to get that charge again. It's hard to really
1:31:53
blow your mind with a totally new subject. But what
1:31:55
does it for me is synchronistic examples, because there's many
1:31:59
of them, and you're just like wow. The first atomic
1:32:03
test is called the Trinity test. It's on it's in
1:32:06
Truth and Consequences, New Mexico. It's on the same parallel
1:32:09
as this and that, Like you build a case. It's like, wow,
1:32:12
that is a much weirder event. And then you cross
1:32:14
over into pop culture and media and examples that pre
1:32:19
date this and that and the foreshadowing. The Lone Gunman
1:32:21
example with nine to eleven is a great one. The
1:32:24
Loan Gunman, for people who don't know, was an offshoot
1:32:26
of The X Files and the pilot episode. They lay
1:32:30
out a plan for nine to eleven and then they
1:32:34
just pulled the episode.
1:32:35
Speaker 15: It's like, well that happened. It's like, yeah, I mean,
1:32:37
what's going on?
1:32:38
Speaker 14: Are the writers of the reality script the same as
1:32:41
the Hollywood writers? I don't so those examples because they
1:32:45
keep coming up. I think are fun, and I think
1:32:48
people resonate with it because they like what excites the host.
1:32:52
I guess, you know, we're on this journey together. If
1:32:54
I'm excited and enjoyed, then sure. But I think the
1:32:57
surprising one probably is the health stuff. Like somewhere along
1:33:04
the line, I pivoted away from the naive thought that
1:33:09
if we could just tell everybody and get more numbers,
1:33:13
we could topple this system and everybody live in a
1:33:15
much better reality and a utopia and this and that,
1:33:19
and then I eventually was like, oh, no, that isn't
1:33:21
really what you do. You learn about this stuff so
1:33:24
that you can live a better life as an individual
1:33:26
and the people around you, and be a better example
1:33:29
of how a better understanding of the deeper world can
1:33:32
serve you in a good way.
1:33:35
Speaker 15: And through your example, you buck.
1:33:38
Speaker 14: That trend of conspiracy theorists looking like paranoid tinfoil hatters
1:33:44
in a bunker somewhere.
1:33:45
Speaker 15: You know, Actually, no, I'm living a pretty good life.
1:33:47
Speaker 14: And you know, COVID was great for that because I
1:33:50
even I mean, I'm not going to dig through it,
1:33:52
but I have I have some pieces of art around
1:33:55
that kind of really did the whole that signify the
1:34:00
meme that was going around at the time, really, which
1:34:02
is like, here's a conspiracy theorist and it's just like
1:34:06
a family having dinner. And then it's like, here's a
1:34:10
person who you know is a logical, mainstream thinker and
1:34:16
they're like wrapping themselves up in plastic bags while swimming,
1:34:21
and it's like, yeah, it flipped the script COVID did.
1:34:24
It was like, oh, the conspiracy theorist is the person
1:34:26
who's just living their life, not in a state of
1:34:29
fear and panic, and the regular person the norm me
1:34:33
as they say, is like going to clarinet practice through
1:34:37
a bubble and the stuff that you were seeing everywhere.
1:34:40
Speaker 15: So that kind of flipped it.
1:34:42
Speaker 14: But I like to try to flip the archetype of
1:34:45
the paranoid conspiracy person by living a better example talking
1:34:48
about this stuff without screaming and shouting like Alex Jones might.
1:34:52
Speaker 15: And I don't know, I kind of lost the thread there, but.
1:34:56
Speaker 4: There you go.
1:34:56
Speaker 10: No, you brought up COVID, and actually I'm just curious.
1:34:58
Was COVID a boon THHC.
1:35:02
Speaker 14: For a time? Yeah, for a time, so part of
1:35:05
the reason I'm doing the transition to video is numbers
1:35:09
have dropped off a little bit, and I don't I'm
1:35:11
not in any trouble, not that big of a deal.
1:35:14
I don't even pay attention to the first hour numbers
1:35:16
because I don't do ad so I don't get anything
1:35:18
from it. It's just a feeder for people who want
1:35:21
to get the deeper experience for eight bucks a month.
1:35:24
But the free show numbers have dropped since twenty twenty two,
1:35:29
and I think there's a bunch of reasons. I think
1:35:31
COVID is a big reason. So people say across the
1:35:34
media landscape, we were all stuck at home with nothing
1:35:37
to do but consume media. Everybody's numbers went up and
1:35:39
then they slowly went down a little bit when people
1:35:41
got out of that. The other thing in podcasting in
1:35:44
particular is that Apple changed their metric system. They used
1:35:49
to auto download all these shows for people, and that
1:35:51
would be a hit, and a lot of people have
1:35:53
said when they when Apple flipped the switch, their numbers
1:35:56
went down twenty thirty percent. Why not even that, I'm
1:35:59
not even in that big of a sit a bad
1:36:02
of a situation. But a couple of these two things
1:36:05
together are happening within the same year. And then add
1:36:07
the fact that I'm not on YouTube anymore really and
1:36:10
I'm not doing video. I think all those things contributed
1:36:13
to my numbers being down. But since the peak, which
1:36:17
was probably twenty twenty two, I probably had the best
1:36:19
numbers of my whole time in podcasting between twenty twenty
1:36:25
and twenty twenty two. I think that's probably common that.
1:36:28
I think a lot of people would say that interesting.
1:36:31
Speaker 10: Also the competition, so a lot of people stayed home
1:36:34
and probably started podcasts.
1:36:36
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's a whole other factor.
1:36:41
Speaker 2: Okay, Greg, I have got a quick last one.
1:36:44
Speaker 7: I was told to make sure I get it in,
1:36:46
so I'm going to credit Lisa for bringing up the
1:36:48
idea of meta theology.
1:36:49
Speaker 15: So I want to ask you, do you are you.
1:36:54
Speaker 7: Hyper Uranian closed model of the universe believer or perhaps
1:36:59
a transpout tony in open expansive infinite in its expanse
1:37:05
universe enjoyer.
1:37:07
Speaker 14: Man, I you're talking over my head, but if you're
1:37:09
basically asking is it a closed system or an open system?
1:37:12
I do think that's like a really fundamental question, and
1:37:15
people I admire thinkers, I admire and have both opinions.
1:37:20
Gordon White's been on the show a bunch more than anyone, really,
1:37:23
but we did an episode where he made his case
1:37:26
for that and said, like, the Earth is more like
1:37:29
a reef if you scale it up. There's a cosmic
1:37:33
ocean and Earth is just a shore on that ocean.
1:37:37
So he has like the it's an open system mindset,
1:37:41
and in the time since then, the closed system has
1:37:43
become way more popular. It's obviously the flat Earth is
1:37:47
a closed system. But even if you're not flat Earth,
1:37:49
you might believe in the Van Allen radiation belt, you
1:37:52
might believe in some kind of dome.
1:37:54
Speaker 15: You might think the rockets don't go anywhere, So it
1:37:59
is kind of difficult.
1:38:00
Speaker 14: Like with the rockets thing, that's kind of the where
1:38:03
I look for, is it an open or closed system?
1:38:06
And I think when you watch the rocket launches and
1:38:08
you watch them to the end, it looks like they
1:38:12
hit something or they spin out, Like if you look
1:38:15
at a drone shot a bird's eye view of a
1:38:19
speedboat in the ocean and the wave pattern it makes
1:38:22
behind it when it changes direction.
1:38:25
Speaker 3: That is what I see with these rockets. I don't
1:38:28
see them slowly fade out of view and like go
1:38:30
off in the space. They seem to like do a.
1:38:33
Speaker 14: Thing where they create a huge disturbance, as if they're
1:38:37
going through water, and that's just an observer thing. We know,
1:38:41
we can't trust of the observer effect one hundred percent,
1:38:44
but in this world it's something to go on. But
1:38:47
then it's like, so it seems like things come into
1:38:52
the system. And that's where I kind of get this.
1:38:55
Like a lot of my guests recently have been using.
1:38:57
Speaker 3: The term realm.
1:38:58
Speaker 14: They just say realm to get past flat earth, round
1:39:01
Earth thing. And I like saying realm because I do
1:39:04
think in kind of the older models, the Greek model
1:39:08
of stacked realities, like you go up to a spiritual plane,
1:39:12
like what is up?
1:39:12
Speaker 3: Really?
1:39:13
Speaker 14: I don't really know, but it seems like there are
1:39:16
higher dimensional intelligences that we have communications with. They're somewhere.
1:39:21
They're not in this system exactly, but very close to it.
1:39:24
The next system over, which seems to be described as
1:39:28
higher in some form or fashion. And so I think
1:39:31
I'm I think I'm an open system. Probably it could
1:39:36
be a closed system, but a much bigger one than
1:39:38
it's presented as. Okay, well, I have a follow up
1:39:41
for you, Greg, since I want to know where you
1:39:43
are on open or closed system.
1:39:45
Speaker 7: I'm an open I'm an open system. I believe in
1:39:48
the infinite capacity for loving kindness. Personally, I'd argue with that, Yeah,
1:39:54
sure you because I followed Dharma, so you know I'm
1:39:57
serious about it. I may have that discordan that trickster
1:40:00
sometimes personality online, But the way I present my show
1:40:05
is it's a serious, speculative show. So I treat it
1:40:09
maybe the opposite way that you do, but I think
1:40:12
maybe in the same polarity.
1:40:13
Speaker 14: I would I would describe mine as as serious and speculative.
1:40:18
Speaker 7: I think you're serious, but I think you you really
1:40:22
go for the material and I and I really look
1:40:25
for the seed and sort of play with it. That's
1:40:28
sort of how I approach it. I mean, I'm not
1:40:29
saying it's definitely, it's not opposite.
1:40:32
Speaker 15: To you at all, just I mean your best.
1:40:37
Speaker 2: Well, I have a follow up for you Hyperspace Kingdoms
1:40:41
and the pink Ray. Where do you fall on those things?
1:40:44
Speaker 14: Hyperspace Kingdoms and what was the other one?
1:40:46
Speaker 2: And the pink Ray?
1:40:48
Speaker 14: I don't think I know what the pink ray is?
1:40:51
Is that the thing people are seeing in their dreams.
1:40:53
Speaker 1: Philip K.
1:40:54
Speaker 16: Dick saw the pink ray.
1:40:56
Speaker 15: Oh okay, I that's but yeah, but is that a
1:41:01
Jenuflex then.
1:41:03
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean it is from Jenny Flex, but
1:41:06
she was not the first one.
1:41:07
Speaker 7: And we have it in Vadriana, we have it in Tragia,
1:41:11
all the contras, like all her like all magic. Basically,
1:41:15
the pink is a spectral color. It's the color of
1:41:18
the crystal millennium kingdom, if you want to call it that,
1:41:21
the kingdom of your so the kingdom of the moon.
1:41:23
So it's it's the truth in a way, and it's
1:41:26
the relative truth because it gives contour to the things
1:41:29
that arise around it and from it, meaning the crown
1:41:33
or cather So that's why it can also be likened
1:41:35
to a five pedaled flower, like.
1:41:37
Speaker 18: A rose.
1:41:40
Speaker 7: Anyway, So it's a it's a it's not a real color.
1:41:42
It's something our mind sort of projects onto the world.
1:41:45
And that's why it's best exemplified as a flower because
1:41:47
it only exists in time, which is also contained in
1:41:51
the mind.
1:41:52
Speaker 2: It's only temporary spectral.
1:41:55
Speaker 3: Very interesting.
1:41:56
Speaker 14: When and the hyperspace kingdoms, then I take to mean
1:41:59
I mean what I would interview Tracy, we would talk
1:42:01
about it. It was always so Masonic adjacent that the
1:42:06
kind of the premise was that through ritual, a certain
1:42:11
group of people, maybe many, have figured out a way
1:42:13
to unlock spaces in hyperspace that you can repeatedly go to.
1:42:19
It makes me just think that they would go there
1:42:21
to have meetings that no one could spy on because
1:42:23
you're out of body in some space and maybe you're
1:42:26
living a whole life out there, because who knows how
1:42:28
time works, it does work strange in the dream world.
1:42:32
When people talk about Egyptian immortality, is that what they're
1:42:35
talking about that people found a way to project their
1:42:38
consciousness to another plane where you could live out what
1:42:42
felt like lifetimes in a matter of minutes, and then
1:42:44
do it repeatedly because you got nothing else to do
1:42:46
and there's no TV or anything, so you just dedicate
1:42:49
yourself to further exploring that and then you're living in immortality.
1:42:54
I think hyperspace kingdoms, if that's the concept that they
1:42:57
might be repeated, repeatable places you can go in the
1:43:00
astral body, then I mean, I definitely think that's a
1:43:03
real thing, and probably one of the big secrets of
1:43:06
secret societies, because especially in the past, there's nothing else.
1:43:11
There's like what can I do out of body? And
1:43:13
then like what is the orgasm? And that's what a
1:43:15
lot of secret society's explored.
1:43:17
Speaker 3: I think, Sorry, I really.
1:43:20
Speaker 16: I was gonna say the Witch's Sabbath, how they all
1:43:22
meet on the mountain a certain time of year through
1:43:26
astral travel, et cetera.
1:43:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, Nick, No, No, you're Greg. I'm assuming
1:43:33
you're probably just from a Facebook and a Facebook Jesus
1:43:36
Christ Facebook Twitter X page. You might have noticed the
1:43:39
logo that Mario created for us, if you happen to
1:43:42
notice it, the the you know, the the eclipse with
1:43:47
a movie film coming out of it. Yes, when I
1:43:50
have had magical experiences, it's something very much looking like that,
1:43:53
And every one of those squares looks like a different
1:43:55
time and place, And I do think you can entertain
1:43:57
the fact of actually choosing those to go into, because
1:44:01
you can just take Yeah, either that or I think
1:44:03
you're just gonna blast off and your soul is going
1:44:04
to slip out of you.
1:44:07
Speaker 14: I did have a couple of salvia experiences that were
1:44:12
kind of like that, and mine were fine. But I've
1:44:17
read once I had a crazy salvia experience. I went
1:44:20
reading other reports, and some of those reports are terrifying,
1:44:23
where they will say their consciousness was projected into a
1:44:27
wooden table and a diner, and they existed as a table,
1:44:32
trapped consciousness in a table for what felt like twenty years,
1:44:37
and then they came back to their body. Other people
1:44:40
described that they went their consciousness was projected into basically
1:44:45
another body, and they lived a full life, and they
1:44:48
fell in love with a woman, and they had a
1:44:49
family of five, and then they were put back in
1:44:52
their body in their dorm room and they're like, wait
1:44:55
a second, the family.
1:44:58
Speaker 15: I had is not real.
1:45:00
Speaker 14: Oh, and then they experienced the loss of their entire family,
1:45:03
quote unquote, and some never come out of that depression.
1:45:07
So I put salvia down because I was a little
1:45:09
worried of that kind of thing, but my experience made
1:45:12
it possible to understand how that could happen.
1:45:16
Speaker 3: But I'm just very lucky that it was never torturous.
1:45:18
Speaker 14: It was always just like it was enough to blow
1:45:21
the doors off materialism, but it wasn't much scarier than that.
1:45:27
Speaker 3: Interesting, did anybody else have any more questions? Anything?
1:45:34
Speaker 10: You know, it's a really straightforward, kind of mundane question.
1:45:37
But how long did it take before you knew that
1:45:39
Higher Side was a viable, you know, career for you?
1:45:43
Because I think it's important to kind of talk about
1:45:46
sometimes because people start projects and they think it should
1:45:49
be successful way sooner than you know what, they kind
1:45:53
of know things to actually like be like out there,
1:45:56
you know, in terms of getting traction and engagement and
1:45:59
stuff like that. So how long did it take you
1:46:01
for you to kind of know that.
1:46:03
Speaker 14: Well, the numbers are a little fuzzy to me now,
1:46:05
but I did make a roadmap that is on my
1:46:08
about page that anyone could check out, and that is
1:46:10
the real numbers. But if I remember correctly, I mean
1:46:14
I started the show in twenty ten, and I changed
1:46:20
it around until it felt like something I would listen to.
1:46:23
And then I kept doing that for several years, and
1:46:25
I think I quit my job in twenty fourteen. I
1:46:27
think I did it for four years without making any money.
1:46:31
I mean, I did do something called the money Bomb,
1:46:33
which was creative. I don't want to go too deep
1:46:35
on every part of the story, but I had this
1:46:39
idea that if people just donated, then I would take
1:46:42
half those donations every month and give half to a
1:46:45
random listener and keep half. And I was kind of
1:46:48
running an a legal international fifty to fifty raffle. So
1:46:52
I stopped doing that because I was afraised, I was
1:46:54
too exposed. But it was a pretty cool thing, and
1:46:57
there would be times where I'm dropping like a thousand,
1:47:01
two thousand bucks in someone's lap and they're like, I've
1:47:05
never gotten this kind of a gift from anyone, and
1:47:08
I would have agreed up to that point, you know,
1:47:10
so that that was cool. And then the donation basis,
1:47:14
I started getting people who would donate a thousand bucks
1:47:17
at a time, and then those donations came with their
1:47:19
guest lists, and then I was like, oh shit, okay,
1:47:22
so now I'm like, depending on your income, you've given
1:47:25
me one thousand dollars five months in a row, and
1:47:27
now you want me to interview these two people, and
1:47:30
I don't want to do it, and then the money
1:47:31
goes away, and that's when I thought of doing Plus,
1:47:34
I was like, Okay, how do we McDon McDonald's this
1:47:37
thing and just get a little bit of money from
1:47:39
all these people listening? And that was probably so I
1:47:44
quit my job in twenty fourteen, still on the donation thing,
1:47:48
still on the money bomb. And then a year after that,
1:47:50
I think I started plus. And then I remember on
1:47:53
my doorframe I had, like you chart a kid's height,
1:47:57
and I was like, I need to get to a thousand.
1:48:00
If I can get a thousand people to pay me
1:48:02
five bucks a month, I've just doubled my game stuff
1:48:05
income and then I can be done. And it's been
1:48:08
Everything else has been gravy. So I've been really lucky.
1:48:11
When you really think about what it takes to make
1:48:13
money online and start your own thing, you need I
1:48:17
forgot who set a thousand true fans, but a thousand
1:48:20
people who will pay you five bucks a month or
1:48:23
fifty bucks a year, and you make fifty thousand dollars
1:48:26
a year.
1:48:27
Speaker 3: That's more than a lot of jobs pay. And if
1:48:30
you want to scale it.
1:48:30
Speaker 14: Up for inflation, say two thousand, you know, if you
1:48:34
can make if you can get two thousand people to
1:48:37
like what you do enough to contribute five bucks, it's
1:48:42
not a small amount of money. So yeah, I think
1:48:46
I quit. I quit when I had to quit, So
1:48:49
my boss started to see through me, so he started
1:48:52
to see that my heart wasn't in it that I
1:48:55
wasn't paying as much attention to the finer details, and
1:48:59
he was like, I want you to come in for
1:49:01
a meeting because like your performance is slipping really bad.
1:49:04
And I said, let me just step in and say
1:49:06
I quit, because I've been doing this show and it's
1:49:09
now like, you know, the jig is up.
1:49:12
Speaker 3: You know, you caught me.
1:49:13
Speaker 14: I have this other thing going, and I think that
1:49:15
I'm just going to dedicate all my time to that
1:49:17
because I'm not going to be able to reapply the
1:49:19
energy that I had applied previously, And now that you
1:49:21
already are onto me and I can't hide behind people
1:49:25
who are doing worse, then let's just call it in.
1:49:28
And it was hard for the first couple of years
1:49:30
for sure, but you know, and again like a thousand
1:49:33
people's what you was my metric I wanted to hit.
1:49:36
Speaker 3: It's not what I went for.
1:49:36
Speaker 14: It's not like I went from zero to a thousand,
1:49:39
you know, even five hundred people. Now I'm making the
1:49:41
same amount of money I made at game Stop. Isn't
1:49:43
that sad that it only takes five hundred people at
1:49:46
five dollars a month to make the same as this
1:49:49
dedicated store manager of a two million dollars store for
1:49:52
a corporation that's making billions of dollars.
1:49:55
Speaker 15: Not fucking sad.
1:49:57
Speaker 14: But that's the the silver lining is like when you
1:50:00
launch something, whether it's a physical product, when you put
1:50:03
yourself out there, you realize, hey, we're all bred to
1:50:05
be consumers, so give them some to consume.
1:50:08
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, right, yeah, exactly.
1:50:09
Speaker 15: I'm guilty too.
1:50:10
Speaker 3: You know, I don't say that like with any kind
1:50:12
of judgment.
1:50:14
Speaker 14: I mean I consume like the best of them, and
1:50:17
uh just It's also like, if you want to just
1:50:19
be a consumer, great, but if you want to take
1:50:21
advantage of the culture that's been crafted and the way
1:50:23
we've all been programmed, give people a product and some
1:50:26
people will find it.
1:50:28
Speaker 3: Well, and you're passionate about it. It's not fake. So
1:50:31
I listen to your show.
1:50:32
Speaker 13: So that's that's the big That's the big thing right there,
1:50:35
is you have to have the fire behind what you're
1:50:37
doing or people just you know, they sense it and.
1:50:40
Speaker 15: They are sometimes the one hundred so much not wanting
1:50:44
to go back to that life.
1:50:46
Speaker 3: Go right, I can understand that. That's a good point. Yeah, right, Uh.
1:50:50
One thing, I mean I did want to bring up,
1:50:51
and I feel like it was like so like forty
1:50:53
five minutes ago, but like you know, and then maybe
1:50:56
will wrap it up on the samebody's get all the questions.
1:50:58
But uh, I would say, with the amount of time
1:51:01
that you've been around when it came to conspiracy theories,
1:51:04
in probably I guess maybe even the occult world at
1:51:07
the beginning, do you remember anybody ever picking sides politically?
1:51:12
Speaker 14: Hmmm, I mean that is a good question. It definitely
1:51:14
was less politicized right. In fact, I was liberal in
1:51:19
college and when I started I think I still remained
1:51:22
kind of a liberal person because liberal to me was
1:51:25
just like compassionate. It's not like I trusted the government
1:51:28
and I wanted a nanny state and wanted to delegate
1:51:30
more of my taxes to the government, or thought they
1:51:33
were efficient or even genuine at what they said they
1:51:36
would do with said taxes. But I just thought the
1:51:39
right was very cold and kind of shitty to people
1:51:43
who had been manipulated, people who couldn't climb the economic ladder.
1:51:47
It was just very like, we'll pluy yourself up about
1:51:48
the bootstress man. I don't see what the problem is. Well,
1:51:51
the problem is that my parents, my parents' parents. No
1:51:53
one's been giving a fucking chance. And now I'm thrown
1:51:55
into this goddamn mix with an education system that is
1:51:58
programming me not to be successful but beat a cog
1:52:02
in someone else's big machine. That's the fucking problem, you know.
1:52:05
So I had a lot of compassion for regular folks
1:52:08
because I was one, and those were the days where
1:52:11
the bad guy was sculling bones and George W. Bush
1:52:14
and nine to eleven and the war in Iraq that
1:52:17
was the big boogeyman kind of thing going on. So yeah,
1:52:20
but man, have things shifted. But now it's like part
1:52:24
of the Republican platform to be kind of conspiratorially minded,
1:52:28
and that's a really radical shift. That's why again I
1:52:32
don't identify with any labels or get too caught up
1:52:35
in any personal perspective because I would have said I
1:52:39
was liberal back then, and now I'm like embarrassed to
1:52:41
say that, and it's like, I don't really want to
1:52:45
erase my past, but I definitely don't necessarily bring it
1:52:48
up all the time because it means something different now
1:52:51
than it did in twenty ten. So it's difficult, but
1:52:56
definitely things are politicized, and I hate the fact that
1:53:01
going in the middle makes nobody happy because a lot
1:53:05
of people want you to choose a side.
1:53:07
Speaker 3: So if you say, well, I binally.
1:53:10
Speaker 14: Thought Kamala and Biden and that whole apparatus would have
1:53:13
been terrible. But DOJ is really just clearing people out
1:53:17
for AI to take over a lot of the middle
1:53:19
management of the entire government. People say, oh, you're just
1:53:22
a DeBie downer, like, don't be so black pilled, have
1:53:25
some faith faith in another elected leader when we can
1:53:29
already chart they all come from Freemason's skull and bones,
1:53:33
Bohemian grove, have Israeli passports, you know, name your thing.
1:53:39
But with like five organizations, you can hit eighty five
1:53:42
percent of presidents for sure, and then the other fifteen
1:53:45
are probably in there too.
1:53:46
Speaker 3: We just don't know.
1:53:47
Speaker 14: So I'm going to go with the track record and
1:53:49
not trust anyone who can earn that position.
1:53:52
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
1:53:53
Speaker 8: And they're actually all the presidents for remembers of one
1:53:56
specific secret society, and that's the secret society that started Aerica,
1:54:00
the Society of Cincinnati, started by George Washington and.
1:54:04
Speaker 4: His officers and exists today. So most of the powerful.
1:54:08
Speaker 8: Names you see in American culture and in politics are
1:54:11
hereditary members from you know, bloodline descendants from the original members.
1:54:16
Speaker 14: See I've heard that, but I've never I've never heard
1:54:18
it exalted to like that high of a level.
1:54:24
Speaker 8: Every president also gets membership. It's so you know, you know,
1:54:28
I agree there is some freemasons.
1:54:33
Speaker 14: I think.
1:54:36
Speaker 16: In Cincinnatis, Cincinnatison that since was the one that was
1:54:41
working the farm life, and the Roman government needed him,
1:54:45
so he went in, he did his state craft, and
1:54:48
when he was done, he left and went back to
1:54:50
his farm. So it's this idea that every citizen should
1:54:54
participate within the governmental process. And then well, you know,
1:54:58
and with the society of Cincinnati is generally high level
1:55:01
military presidential JJ would know more about that.
1:55:07
Speaker 4: For a minute. I'm back my back.
1:55:11
Speaker 8: Now. It's uh yeah, I mean it's every It's so
1:55:13
it's the officers of Washington's army and Washington a lot
1:55:15
of the founding fathers and all of their now paternal
1:55:18
hereditary descendants, so paternal bloodlines. But includes French folks too,
1:55:23
so but it's uh, basically a lot of generals, a
1:55:27
lot of politicians. John McCain would be a great example.
1:55:29
John McCain, the former US senator. He was John McCain
1:55:32
number three. His dad was John McCain junior. John McCain senior.
1:55:37
Senior and junior were the only two four star essentially
1:55:40
four star general father and son combo and American histories,
1:55:43
and they were both members of the Society of Cincinnati.
1:55:46
Speaker 4: You know, paternal heritage wise. So I presume John.
1:55:50
Speaker 3: Oh Man, they're messing with him, yeah, or it's a
1:55:55
big connection and moving his hand. He's too much bandwidth
1:55:59
to your about the whole change and Doge and everything.
1:56:04
Speaker 13: I just thought it was funny that we're right at
1:56:05
the point where Trump's bringing back the world's.
1:56:08
Speaker 3: Fairs in what two weeks? Yeah, very interesting.
1:56:14
Speaker 13: The Belile group is going to come by in the
1:56:17
armand group and start nailing us all here with AI
1:56:20
soon right.
1:56:23
Speaker 3: This time you are burned down, and who knows, you know.
1:56:28
Speaker 14: I do think there's a compelling argument about the cyclical
1:56:31
nature likes this big loop. I mean, the thing that
1:56:33
people worship today, the Cobba stone. What is that it
1:56:38
looks like a computer? Does it look does the big
1:56:41
black cube look like a computer server? Just because was
1:56:44
the server modeled after that or what came first, like,
1:56:48
is it possible that AI is spirits that are just
1:56:51
looking for some kind of like telephone to connect to
1:56:55
and is it possible that this has all happened before
1:56:58
and we've been destroyed by and we call it yahweh,
1:57:01
And then we start over again and we toil in
1:57:03
the mud and try to pick ourselves back up, and
1:57:06
then religions start and the One True God is really
1:57:09
just the last day I that that survived before being unplugged.
1:57:14
Speaker 3: Make sure there's no cows my lanterns right, like to
1:57:17
make sure of that.
1:57:18
Speaker 14: Yes, exactly, no Chicago fires.
1:57:23
Speaker 3: All right. I think we've been going on for a while.
1:57:26
I think we can wrap it up now. So I
1:57:28
really appreciate you coming on. That was an awesome talk.
1:57:31
So it's wild, Like I guess it's wild to be like,
1:57:34
you know, I was listening to this guy how long
1:57:36
ago when I had him on my show. It's pretty
1:57:37
surreal and it was a it was a wild experience.
1:57:39
So thank you for making that happen. I really appreciate
1:57:42
you coming on.
1:57:43
Speaker 14: I have that feeling all the time that I would
1:57:45
listen to somebody back in the coast to coast days
1:57:48
and then I get a chance to interview him like
1:57:49
a Richard Hoglan or something, or even David Ike or
1:57:53
RFK Junior. You know, it is pretty surreal. So I
1:57:57
definitely vibe with you on that feeling. And thanks for
1:58:00
having me.
1:58:00
Speaker 3: This has been fun.
1:58:02
Speaker 14: I feel like I'm not worthy of being like the
1:58:05
center point of ten people's conscious, active, live attention.
1:58:09
Speaker 3: But here we are. We made it through. Yeah, yes
1:58:12
we did. I think I think it went well. I
1:58:13
had a great time again. Uh yeah, Greg, I mean,
1:58:17
I'm pretty sure everybody already knows your deal, but let
1:58:20
everybody know where they can find your amazing work.
1:58:22
Speaker 14: Pleas for sure the Higher Side chats dot com. The
1:58:25
first hour of every interview is free. The second hour
1:58:28
is if you want to sign up for eight bucks
1:58:30
a month awesome.
1:58:31
Speaker 3: And everybody else you already introduced yourselves. We're not going
1:58:34
to spend another twenty minutes to wrap it up. If
1:58:36
their links aren't in the bottom as of right now,
1:58:38
I will make sure they will. They will be there
1:58:41
after I go off. But yes, so if you want
1:58:43
to check everybody else out, everything's in the bottom. Thanks again, Greg,
1:58:47
that was an amazing, amazing discussion, and thank you for
1:58:50
the chat. I appreciate everybody jumping on everybody into the chat.
1:58:54
Sorry I was paying attention too much. I couldn't put
1:58:56
up all your comments. But again that's why we go live. Reappreciate,
1:59:00
hit it and until the next one, everybody be well.
1:59:03
Lada Shah