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Shia Prejudice in the Gulf vs the West · After Maghrib 🌙

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Yeah, you guys, bro. In your hands in this episode.
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Ahmed doesn't get that. I'll, I'll give you a nice face,
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quick. Yeah.
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What's going on, boys? How are we?
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How are we, honestly? Hamdullah.
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Well, I'm really tired. Why you always?
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Why? Why?
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Well, I came back from how long was my shoot 8:00 AM till I
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finished at 8:00 PM. Twelve hour shoot.
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And I started it. It's fine.
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Then I have to come here and then there's no episode ready
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for tomorrow. Now that much about.
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Come on. Yeah, we said that.
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Yeah, that's correct. We forced you on the couch.
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What time is it right now? Yeah, it's after. 1:00 AM and my
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shoot starts again at 8:00 AM tomorrow morning.
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But. We've gone from now, love.
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Bless you we've. Gone from after Mahreb too,
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after midnight. You see that I.
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Got to drop that. It's like.
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All right, guys, today we're we're going to have a bit more
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of a laid out podcast. If you were tuning in last week,
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you'll know that we talked about the World Cup coming up during
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the Muharram season. We had Iraq's number 9, Ali Al
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Hamadi, who was on the podcast, and we spoke a lot about what it
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means to be a Shiite on this day and age.
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And then obviously in the coming weeks, we have a lot happening.
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We've got a Haj season, we have Ida Khadir, we have Wafat and
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Shahadat of Ayam Ayam Salaam. And then of course, as we get
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closer to the Khadir Mubahala period, then we enter Muharram.
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So I think now is like our last opportunity really to have just
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a chill, a chill. So today's going to be a.
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Chill all the posts about Hamadi getting his visa denied.
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Yeah, I spoke to him today. That's not true.
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Yeah, that's what he said. It's clear the rumours.
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He told me fake news and. Yeah, I think you said a few
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other things. Big for you to bring this up
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because Iraqis are going crazy. About there's interviews that
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have come out from, I don't know who, like some official Iraqi
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officials. The guy's getting angry at the
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journalist. What did I tell you?
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Bro. He's got the visa.
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That's hilarious. Like what's?
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Up so. So they've all got the visa.
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He goes, bro, can't you hear what I'm saying?
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I'm like Iraqis are are cartoons.
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Yeah, man. All right, Sid, I know you
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wanted to to go through some questions.
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I did. Have you got any planned or
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shall I? I have Sid Hamdullah.
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We've we've had an amazing few years together here after
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Magleb. You know, it's been almost four
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years. June comes four years, right?
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That's why. This is our anniversary.
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So I've I've pretty much no new offset onset while I drive home
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on the phone call whoever is Hamdulillah, there's always
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communication between myself and you.
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But I don't want me I. I grew up with you.
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Say it. But we started.
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Sounds like a break up with me bro.
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It sounds. Like right now we're focused on
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just the project, but I don't know Ahmed much before the
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project. Not, yeah, not to.
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Not to a great depth. Yeah, correct.
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Yeah, and that's what I want to know.
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Yeah. I don't know much about your
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childhood. How are you as a child?
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Oh, my God. I didn't know we're doing this.
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They were doing this. How was I?
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Yeah. What do you want to know?
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Yeah. He was a road man in Kingsbury.
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There's the winter going to that phasal.
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No, no, like your earliest memories, your childhood.
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Well. To be very honest with you, I
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compartmentalise a lot as a person.
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So for example, when I think about different elements of my
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childhood, I have different memories.
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You know me, I could write it, I could speak for an hour on on
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each memory. So without going into too much
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depth, I think I had a pretty privileged childhood.
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Hamdallah. I had siblings which I was close
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in age to my older brother. I had two younger sisters.
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I had two loving parents and a loving grandmother and we all
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lived together having the loves were raised in in a good
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community. Obviously my my mosque and all
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of that involvement. My parents went through a lot
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and put put their, their own preferences 2nd and and their
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children and of course, looking after my grandmother as a
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priority. So I think that instilled for me
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at a young age the need to look after your immediate circle and
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prioritize them. Community service is 1, but
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charity begins at home. So I think for me, Al Hamdallah,
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that was like a nice just to summarize, obviously I was, I
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was a disruptive child. To be very honest, I think
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you're probably not surprised the juice was coming up.
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Nah, no juice, no juice. I was disruptive.
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I was, I, I, I wouldn't say I was like a bad kid, but I was, I
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was, yeah, man, I, I, I changed school a lot.
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I went to many schools. I, I got in trouble.
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No different reasons, different reasons really, to be honest.
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But mainly I was, yeah, I was a good kid, but I had, I struggled
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with my attention, but I was always like doing well in school
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but slacking with my work ethic. But Hamdullah, I worked on that
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and I'm still obviously working on that.
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Yeah, but what about you, my ask?
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Can I ask in verse? You can ask me.
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You can ask Mustaba. Mustaba, at what age did you
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realize that you were the the the H?
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DMIK. The, you know, say Mustaba
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wasn't born with an umbilical cord, he was born with an HDMI.
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Cable. At those years it was VGA
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cables. At what age did you realize that
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you wanted to pursue a life in Hidma?
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Hedma or media? Hedma through media are.
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They separate you. I don't know, I think we like we
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were all raised in a culture of Hedma.
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The Mike's here, bro. No, yeah, we were like as as a
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Karbala a culture. You're raised through Hedma
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regardless, like you. It's just if you're not going to
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the same year you're doing at home, if you're not doing at
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home, you're doing at your grandparents house or whatever.
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It's just a matter of finding what what what you do to serve
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your community, your religion, your family, whatever it is.
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For me it was media. I think when I went to uni
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initially I I joined uni with doing maths and IT with the
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intention of IT being that sort of maybe going into a
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professional in media. But funnily enough, I dropped
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out of IT and done maths and then I thought I'd left the
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whole media scene behind after that until after uni I just
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managed to land a job in media. And since then it's just been
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growing like exponentially. Like you're doing jobs after
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jobs and then like sometimes you're doing jobs.
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You're like, how did I even get here?
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Like you're working with the biggest directors in the Middle
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East or you're working with the like you're doing a a show for
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Bass and Kabbalahi or you're doing whatever.
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And then, yeah, just you. Just you know, there's a Hadid
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of minimal manin Alayhi Salaam where he says the worth of a
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person is according to what he excels in Nacho Balaka.
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So when you look at like your field or even for you say it in
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your field, like your headma and your your, your specialization
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in the field of what you do in the eyes of the Imam is worth a
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lot because you're excelling in a certain field.
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And that's not just professionalism and reaching
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like a level of excellence in a certain field.
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Also, you're doing that for the sake of God.
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Do you know what I mean? So like, that's the best thing I
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think we can do. I remember when, when when we
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were young serving, we used to read forums or Facebook
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comments, whatever. And there was one comment that
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sticks with me like till today. It's like don't try and get into
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everything or don't try and do the most work.
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Just try and be the best at your position in your role.
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So if you're, if you're the accountant or if you're the
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lawyer, if you're the media guy, or if you're, I don't know,
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cleaning up the mosque, just be the best at that.
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You don't need to force yourself into the tea room.
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You don't need to get into cooking or lecturing.
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Just find what what you're needed for and what you're good
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at and be the best in your community in that.
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I sent, I sent. So, Ali, can I ask you a
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question? Please.
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I want to ask you, I'm not going to ask you, like, deep
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psychoanalytical questions. Yeah, I'm just going to ask you,
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like, random questions if there is a person alive today and I'd
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like, of course we know Mum and Mahdi, OK.
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But I'm talking about, for example, like normal humans.
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Yeah. OK.
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Who would you want to have dinner most with?
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And Buffy? Who would I want to have dinner
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with? Yeah, after me much excluding
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us. It's not difficult, but maybe
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breakfast. Do you understand the question?
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You said dinner. No, wait, no.
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Who's one person that is your dream to sit and have dinner
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with them? Yeah.
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So instead of dinner, breakfast. Yeah, but.
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Who imagine now? Who you having a meal with he?
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He can't imagine having a team of any other than what we need.
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He wants to have avocado and toast with him.
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Poached eggs? What's that thing called Eggs
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Benedict? That's probably St.
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Ali's egg Benedict. Fancy a restaurant?
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Or. Something no, in all
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seriousness, I think if there was 11 human being I can have a
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good conversation with all for dinner, I think it will be said
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that Mohammed Roger Shirazi. Interesting, that was a very.
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Man, God bless us all, But I mean today, yeah.
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Is he not Shahid? No, he's alive to me.
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OK, Masha'allah, How about someone who's accessible to you?
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I mean accessible like someone who you'd potentially run into.
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I mean, someone who'd likely meet, but there's a chance you'd
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meet, say, Ali. Favour just say most of Raswini
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just. Say most of our Kaswini 100% say
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most of our he. He can live with him for weeks.
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That's true. I think non-stop talking.
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Yeah, that's true. You know, so most of our
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kaswini, we go way back. I mean, for those who worked or
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no of a little bit TV many, many years ago, that's where I sort
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of got into a huge relationship and handled until today with the
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say it and the and and what was beautiful about I would say the
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friendship like I would say it say it.
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Most of it is that he became like a father figure for me
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after the passing of my father. There was always communication
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between us two. There was always advice that
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he'd give me and a lot of things I've done now in my life when I
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go back and think, how did I come here?
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I was thinking about, oh, there was some advice linked back to
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say Mustafa and I mentioned this to him a couple of weeks back
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when we had an episode. We went downstairs and I was
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like, the conversations we used to have is what makes me me
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today. Honestly.
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There was a lot of germs and advice that he gave and half the
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advice. I was shocked.
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I was like I said, most of a really advising me on these
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things. But yeah, the like when you have
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the right counsel, I can say when you have the right
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conversations with the right people, they can really shape
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and mold 100 percent, 100% they'll protect him and bless.
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Him. I mean shallow.
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Shallow. Not just dinner, what they say,
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but breakfast and lunch as well. Oh.
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Yeah, sad. What?
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Can I ask you another question one will ask you to happen
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because I already know. Go ahead.
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When did you first find out you were Shia?
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As in when did I discover? Identify yourself as a Shia.
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Like do you remember it? That's the most said only
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question. I think there's there's two
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types of that. There's one is when did I know
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on paper and you know, my label is a Shia, probably young, 3-4
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years old. If I think of my kids now at
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that age, 3-4 years old, they know their Shia.
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Like my daughter's two, she's about to be 3.
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She knows Shia. She's I'm Shia, but she doesn't
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know what it means. She understands God and Imams
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and the Holy Prophet and all that put on, but she doesn't
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understand it. When I understood it as and when
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I connected and really accepted, embraced it, I would say I was
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probably 1616 as and when I embraced it and said yeah, this
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is for me and I know it. But I think The thing is for all
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of us. Yesterday where the guy who
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posted it was like I always thought everyone was Shia until
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other others non Shia has started attacking me for being
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Shia. You know what it is?
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Yeah. The thing is we, we fall in love
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with the storytelling of our religion and we as we should
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because the stories are there and they're perfect, right?
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So for example, the stories, the Favai, the Mossahib, the Ahlad
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bit, like we're born and bred into Mossiba majalis, Favaiad
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and vicar of the Ahlad bit. And of course the connection
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with Quran. And like we understand that
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culture before we start to understand labels and Navaheb
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and sects and all of these things.
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Do you know what I mean? But you then eventually get
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exposed when you're a bit older where you start to understand.
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Well, I pray with the turtle bar, but this guy doesn't.
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For example, I remember in our prayer rooms, we had our turtle
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bars thrown away and then there was a period where we were under
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pressure in school and university for being Shia.
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I remember I got a fight in a fight, like a punch up with a
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guy. And I've maybe I've spoken about
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on the podcast when I was, I told you I was disruptive in
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school. So I remember I was like 16-1
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day. It was probably the 8th, 9th day
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of Mahalvan and I was in sixth form common room and I had a
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free lessons. I was doing my homework or
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whatever. I was doing my revision, had my
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headphones in and it was Muharram and there was a guy
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there. He started beating his chest
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like a gorilla, mocking me because I was listening to luck
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me out and all of that. So me trying to be a gangster
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squared up to him and we got in a fist fight and basically, you
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know, I, I got in trouble because he got more hurt than I,
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I think. Yeah, Anyway, that's a different
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story. But is that you smoke in the
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bridge? Yeah, whatever.
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Point being is, is that I then realized, well, this is how am I
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trying to defend Shias in, but I'm not enacting it.
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Do you know what I mean? So we we all go in these
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transformations, man. You know, you know, it's, it's
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given, it's given me a memory of when I was in school and I had
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like an altercation if someone found out I was Shia.
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Oh, really? Yeah, I don't think I've shared
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this on the podcast before. Actually, that is worth saying
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it now. I was in year 9 and there was
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Friday jumar praise inside my school.
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Nice. So in my secondary school, every
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Friday they still have jumar praise and a preacher will come
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and also give give a the hot pot of jumar.
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Yeah. So I went a few times just to
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see like, you know. I boycotted them up.
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Conversations about Maruchino, all these things.
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And then at that time I had one friend who I've been friends
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with since year seven-year 8 and year 9 used to see me come to
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the Friday prayers. Then I just missed one week.
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I just didn't go. I didn't, I, I never, by the
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way, just say just, I'll stay up proudly.
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I did not pray behind them. I just stood there listening to
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the hot 1. I left.
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I was never there for the Salah because to me there was a lot of
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things. Whether possible was radicalised
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or they just. No, they were normal.
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They were normal. But every time the preacher was
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talking, I'm like, no, that's in my head.
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I was like, that's incorrect. You can spot the.
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Inconsistent. That's inconsistent.
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No, that must played a big role in who you are today.
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Yeah, maybe being in those positions.
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And and so I just missed one Friday sermon in the school and
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we had all plus after lunch so. Oh no, I know.
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It's just going. So I saw this friend who was no
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longer my friend in the art class.
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He was like, oh, you didn't come to the Friday prayers?
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I'm like, yeah, because I don't like, like what's being said.
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I'm not comfortable. Yeah.
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And he's not. He was like, what do you mean?
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I was like, I told them basically I'm Shia.
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And this is like, the things being said is not right.
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It's inaccurate. Half the things are wrong.
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And I feel like it's only catering to Sunni Muslims and
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not Shia Muslims. So I didn't find no benefit in
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them. Right.
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So he took offence of that. An hour later in the class, he
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came to me. He said you're a Kaffer in the
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class. And I was like, what do you
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mean? He goes, yeah, you're a Shia.
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I'm like, yeah, I am Shia. So you're a Kaffer.
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I'm like, I'm Muslim. He said, no, you're not.
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He took out a compass and stabbed.
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I was about to say I'm surprised he didn't Shank you in Westland.
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A compass. And he stabbed me in my in my
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hand. Here I was confused because
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we're friends. Like I thought he was joking
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with me knowing sometimes people say we are kafar.
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I'm just trying to be normal but he actually stabbed me do.
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You have a scar. I I don't have a scar.
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I mean the compass is like. Yeah, it comes to one point.
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But you know, this was really common in both they had this.
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Big no way. I got stabbed in my hand.
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I I don't know if we've shared this but Nori Saldar got being
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up his own school and they went to the same school but Nori's
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mentioned this multiple. Times.
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We need that for a separate conversation.
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All you have is Nori on the podcast and.
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But then no, he watches the OK hang on.
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No, he watches the podcast. He's going to find this episode,
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No? Some things are better not said,
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but I'll continue. Yeah, no, stabbed in the stabbed
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in the hand. And then I left it.
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And then we got into like a proper argument.
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Yeah, argument. And I'm like, what are you
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doing? And he was very adamant the
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ongoing Hellfire. And it's it's it attacking me is
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reward for him. That's what I'm paraphrasing.
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But that was literally what he was saying.
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So I was like, OK, no problem. After school, we go into a
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fight. Yeah, we go into a physical
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fight. I mostly defended myself.
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But then sometimes you have to also do what you need to do.
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And then like by the school got involved and everything, but
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then we. How old are you here I.
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Was yeah 9. How old am I?
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I. Don't know. 131314.
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Can I ask? Yeah.
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Did he not know your Shia? When you're going Friday prayer,
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you're praying like a Shia. I told you I wasn't praying.
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I would just go for a lecture, OK?
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Yeah, I used to tell him you come pray at a break sign.
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Bear in mind in that area. Just one second, sorry, just to
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mention because he's he used to tell me come Friday prayer and I
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used to joke with him tell him come pray can ask what his first
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thing was if I say the name it meant and yeah, fair enough.
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I don't want to say to say the. Name yeah in that area because I
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I used to talk for a little guys in that area and the more
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concurrence are big they put pray with their hands down yeah
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so it's very normal like for you to mix with people praying in
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different. Cells, but in that school we had
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a lot of debates. That's crazy, man.
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All the way until. Six, you know this, this culture
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is continuing till now like if anything.
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No, I think it's changed, you know, you know, today I was at
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work here and I was with this guy.
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We were was doing this crazy shoot.
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It's like with one of the biggest channels in the world
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and the guy who's project managing it was sat down with me
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and he's like, it's crazy how people are attacking Iran.
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He goes, these are a culture of people who their whole life
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Mentorini Mehdi. And he was like literally their,
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their, their people built on patience.
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The Shias are like unbreakable. And we're here talking rubbish
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about them, trying to break them.
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You can't break these people. Yeah, this is coming from a guy
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coming from a mainstream Sunni. Channel background yeah, yeah,
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no, as in like that the the resilience of the show has
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always been like, you know, whether it's been defending
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myself in school when we're getting mocked, you defending
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yourself in school, you're speaking to the guy from the
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channel. But as in there's a common theme
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of like we're all proud of our identity consistently in
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Hamdullah and we'll go to the point where we'll put our our
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bodies on the line to defend it and obviously we're not on the
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front lines like the the people who've given their lives, given
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their children, given their family for the cause of
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defending Islam and all of that like we win in the West.
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We're nothing compared to that. However, saying that the the
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love, the Muhabba, the Muwadda is still there so that won't be
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defeated. But I mean to say is when I say
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that culture exists is as in the toxicity of that like of that
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intolerant mentality towards Shia still exists.
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If anything is probably worse because when we were in school
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you didn't have YouTube culture let alone TikTok and this and
21:11
that to the same degree. I disagree.
21:13
Now it's a lot easier than it was before.
21:15
Maybe now because of access of information?
21:17
Yeah, kids open say they're shit.
21:19
We used to be scared. But my, my best friend at
21:22
school, I was, I was in school with him from Year 5, which is
21:24
what, 10 years old up until college.
21:28
And then in college when he found out I was Shia.
21:29
I remember we had, it was me, this Algerian guy.
21:31
And there was a Nigerian guy in college.
21:34
He used to walk around me, say, yeah, your blood's halal.
21:35
And the Nigerian guy used to go crazy.
21:37
Guys, you guys have been friends for 15 years and like out of
21:40
nowhere, suddenly you want to kill him.
21:42
You don't. You don't see that anymore.
21:43
Nowadays I don't. Think he's no, probably not,
21:45
Yeah, no. But as obviously we're not in
21:47
that. It still exists, I agree.
21:48
Still exists like you. You still get people who cough
21:51
for you for no reason, but it's easier to say you're.
21:55
But what I'm saying is like you have this agenda now targeting
21:59
young Muslims in the West to radicalize them or to, to, to
22:03
train them on like an ideology which is like non tolerant, non
22:08
cohesive, no form of unity, let alone no form of tolerance, let
22:12
alone unity. Do you know what I mean?
22:14
So for example, now like there are pages committed to it,
22:17
there's like cuss words and slang words against Shia.
22:21
Do you know what I mean? Like TikTok culture against Shia
22:24
is very common. These debaters on TikTok live.
22:26
Stuff will always exist. It will always exist, maybe in
22:28
different forms, but it's so easily accessible now.
22:31
So who is it? I was speaking to last week,
22:33
someone told me he is like, I can't remember who was.
22:35
He's like when I became Shia. The first thing, even with
22:38
Sheikh Mateen, when he was here, he mentioned he goes when I
22:41
became Shia, when I became Muslim, they asked me how you
22:43
soon know Shia. Stay away from the Shias.
22:45
Like that stuff has existed and will continue to exist.
22:48
But that's why we do what we do, to try and normalise Shiism and
22:53
normalise the culture of being proud of Shiism.
22:56
From the line Shala, we always remain proud yeah, Shala,
22:59
there's generations that come and will be even prouder and
23:02
more open with their identity because you know, it's easy to
23:06
say, you know, surely I'm proud and things.
23:08
Like Kula Slova with our hands held high.
23:13
But but in all honesty, it's not easy for some across the world.
23:18
Of course, there are people who live in certain countries,
23:23
predominantly majority of Muslim countries, who like right now we
23:27
speak about today, some of them are facing imprisonment, some of
23:31
them have been tortured, many of them have had their citizenships
23:36
revolved. Correct.
23:37
Yeah. So what does it even mean to be?
23:39
She asked scholars in some of these Gulf countries.
23:43
She asked over 120 scholars not. Just citizenship like actual
23:48
nationalities being removed. Yeah, yeah.
23:51
Taking their passport. Deportation, imprisonment,
23:54
Torture. They they put you on a state
23:56
where you're now stateless. Yeah.
23:59
So yeah, but for example. Actually, to do that, by the
24:02
way, is a very, very. Example, you, your, your parents
24:06
are Bahrani that we can use as an example here.
24:09
You are Bahrani, your kids are born Bahrani.
24:13
And then one day they'll find out you're Shia and they see you
24:15
as a threat. And that's the thing they see, I
24:17
think, this identity as a threat to the system or to the
24:20
government or whatever it is. And then they just strip that
24:24
away from you, and not just you, from your parents.
24:28
Those around you generate children.
24:30
It's, it's also an example because they're telling them,
24:32
look, we could do it to this one guy, Everyone else kind of keep
24:36
your voices down, stop causing a secure risk to our country.
24:39
Otherwise, you're going to follow suit.
24:40
Oh I'll see. The thing is before they used to
24:41
do it on the dealer, now they are bragging about it.
24:44
But right now I opened up in the last 48 hours go to the X
24:51
account of, for example, the state of Bahrain MOD wherever it
24:54
is, half the things is about all the tweets is about Shiah shiah,
24:58
shiah, shiah shiah shiah shiah this Shihad that we revolved
25:01
citizenship of the Shiah next. Yeah, proudly, yeah.
25:04
And we've seen a lot of our friends who live there and
25:08
around there or in Kuwait or in other places who have struggled
25:12
with being able to practice freely and in the UAE, for
25:16
example. And they've clamped down all of
25:18
this. Obviously, like there's
25:19
different reasons for this. Obviously this is all off the
25:21
back of the war with Iran and. No, no.
25:24
You know what's been going on before the war, before it's
25:26
accelerated. No, no, no.
25:28
Even even Yani on the out. Yani before the war.
25:31
Last Muharram, you've got the biggest measurist in Saudi
25:34
Arabia met him and never. Yeah, third.
25:36
Now in Muharram, they close it down.
25:38
It's the attendance of about 10,000 people.
25:39
They've never. These guys are the oldest family
25:41
in in Saudi Arabia that they've closed down.
25:44
Saudi Arabia has been dead quiet, the Shia community since
25:47
then, because now that everyone's scared to move.
25:49
And then six months ago or four months ago, senior got closed
25:54
down in Kuwait. Ever since that, the whole
25:57
Kuwaiti community has been quiet.
25:59
And now the Bahraini stuff, the Bahraini community is quite
26:02
yeah. And if you if you pay attention
26:03
to Shia social media in the Gulf now it's gone quiet.
26:06
It's gone from 100% Shia activity to like 10%, now 5%.
26:12
And it's so and it burns you because that's where so much of
26:16
what we our pride comes from our content that we consume that
26:19
atmiyat the the podcast, everything we we were watching
26:23
was coming from there. And The thing is, it's like they
26:25
can't even point and and identify something which is
26:28
wrong, you know what I mean? So there's nothing in there
26:30
which is not as. Well, just a threat to them.
26:33
Being Shiite is a threat. Yeah, because from a theological
26:37
point of view, there's nothing wrong that they can say.
26:39
So they can't say on any if as long as you're talking about
26:44
mainstream share our community, there's nothing which they can
26:46
say this is shirk or this is imagery or symbolism of shirk or
26:50
anything like it's not there, like it doesn't exist in our
26:53
books or in these centers, right, Obviously.
26:55
So then the issue's not then theology, the issue is then
27:00
mentality. The mentality is a mentality of
27:03
resistance, of standing up to injustice, which is embodied
27:08
through majalis, embodied through the hot buzz that we
27:11
have and all of that stuff. So by suffocating and removing
27:16
the oxygen for gatherings, you then minimize the risk of people
27:21
being able to mobilize. So that's the goal, right?
27:24
It's to stop potential mobilisation through emotion and
27:26
stimulation that they get from their majalis.
27:28
But that's where they get it wrong and you go go back many
27:31
10s of years ago during the regime of Saddam.
27:33
Yeah, Melaka. The the the the Baathi regime of
27:36
Saddam like people. Although he stopped Majalis
27:41
taken publicly, Ziara wasn't performed the way it's performed
27:44
today. Like so so many restrictions.
27:47
But you know as if you show from that it amplified even more.
27:50
This is my point. It's like the more you try to
27:52
silence them, the more osland the the love for the little bit
27:57
Ali Huma Salaam only grew and grew more inside.
27:59
It became Osland a personal thing if it was just like on a
28:02
communal level, no now it became every home tenant it.
28:05
Doesn't make, you know, like. And you look at our artists
28:07
around the world, by the way, where did this whole idea?
28:09
You know so much. About Majalis at home, there's
28:11
so much about you came from that.
28:14
That Saddam's like all these this was like productions that
28:21
came from that period because because everyone had to do their
28:24
majalis at home, they now found creative and more powerful ways
28:28
to. When you, when you try and
28:30
separate a lover from his beloved, his desire to be
28:34
reunited with him even grows stronger.
28:37
So in the same way, if you try and end Majalis or you deport
28:41
scholars or you revoke citizenships of Shia in the Gulf
28:44
or in South Asia or wherever it is, On the contrary, they will
28:49
not stop doing what they're doing.
28:51
They will have the desire to increase and amplify it further
28:55
and like a word of solidarity to them because we as Shias in the
28:59
West, our community stand with them and not just those who are,
29:03
who are being, you know, suppressed by so-called
29:07
governments and regimes, but even those, for example, who are
29:11
being like spinelessly targeted. So for example, we saw the
29:15
tragic news in the last week. Sheikh Mansour who was the Imam
29:19
of the Zainab shrine and Damascus, who was Shahid, he
29:25
became Shahid. He gave his life and lost his
29:27
life in the cause of love of a middle Mamanin Ali Salam.
29:32
And another example of someone who stayed in Syria after the
29:40
so-called government and whatever came in.
29:42
And of course, the establishment of the Jolani government and in
29:46
a time in a place where you have under half a million Shia and
29:49
Sham, which a lot of people don't seem to realize, not a lot
29:53
of people. And you still have a scholar who
29:56
there who there who's proud to be a Shia scholar with a public
29:59
reputation and a public image and he's targeted for his faith.
30:04
And like Pakistan, like, how often do we see Pakistan?
30:09
It seems like one in every five weeks on Jomah, we see an attack
30:14
in Pakistan, bomb blast in this city, bomb blast in that city.
30:19
You know, 10 lives lost this week, 30 lives lost that week.
30:22
And these are people like, you know, unfortunately, sometimes,
30:27
not always, sometimes our communities tend to have.
30:30
And please don't take me the wrong way.
30:32
And ethnos supremacy or an Arab superiority complex with certain
30:39
things. So for example, with lost lives,
30:43
a lost, if you had God forbid, lost lives in certain countries,
30:49
Arab countries, it may be seen as more important, for example,
30:54
than lost lives in Afghanistan or in Pakistan.
30:58
And unfortunately now we're normalizing that culture in
31:01
Iran, in Lebanon and you know it, we're continuing to see this
31:05
as well. So and also bro like not even
31:08
beginning to mention like Yemen, bro, Yemen is like the saddest
31:12
story man. And then even non Shia countries
31:15
but are still being oppressed. Look at Sudan.
31:18
There's so many other examples, Somalia as well.
31:21
Like there's a lot of innocent lives in and like blood, that
31:24
being is being spilt unnecessarily.
31:26
No, I I, I don't disagree. I think even last time when we
31:28
had brother Zain Hawan on an episode where we spoke about
31:32
Shia genocide, correct to this when when, for example, people
31:37
are saying why not? Why is people not, you know,
31:40
giving voice to the genocide that's taken place in Pakistan,
31:43
for example? And I said that broadly.
31:46
I was like, no one tells us about it.
31:49
We don't really know about it. The whole world knows when an
31:53
when there's like a genocide on Arabs, but it's not Arabs.
31:56
We don't know about it. Let me tell you something here.
31:58
We're not educated. Do you remember 2016 when the
32:00
Karada bomb blast happened on Eid in Baghdad?
32:03
The outrage, rightfully so. The outrage which happened from
32:07
the Shia community was it was, it was, it was.
32:12
I don't want to, I want to use the right word.
32:14
It was hopeful or get inspired. Some hope to see the
32:17
mobilisation of the Shia in the West, the outrage from the Shia
32:20
in the West. That energy is not then given to
32:24
Shia in other countries. And you know, like we have to
32:29
obviously be flag bearers in this.
32:30
Anyone who's got a public page or but I want to say something,
32:33
please. Just really quickly, a little
32:35
rant. Yeah, Shia influences
32:37
specifically online. There are certain people who
32:39
talk about religion online, who talk like us, for example, but
32:44
who act On the contrary to how they talk when they talk about
32:48
Shiaism in other spaces. And then like anti Shia.
32:52
What I mean by that is like they, they speak badly, they
32:55
post music, they post illicit scenes or explicit scenes.
32:58
Rather they will like say like really anti Shia staff, they'll
33:02
cuss out other Shia influences. That it's a side note.
33:06
But what I'm trying to say is that Shia influences generally
33:09
have like a really high responsibility right now or
33:12
anyone who's got some form of a platform, youth, youth groups,
33:14
AB socks organizations, so to speak out about the right things
33:19
and not even. Should they speak out?
33:21
About everything we talked about last five minutes, 10 minutes.
33:23
About anything. Everything.
33:25
Waving the flag You. Know what?
33:27
Palestinian flag. Who laminia Mal?
33:31
Oh laminia Mal? Nah bro I'm saying like just
33:34
don't waste time bro. Like you have certain influences
33:37
who are posting stories, like I don't want to name names.
33:41
Yeah, I saw an influencer who proudly posts about shitism and
33:46
to get clicks on his video, his cover photo for The Real was
33:51
Kendrick Lamar versus Drake SO2 rappers.
33:55
You click the video and it's something completely different.
33:59
That guy preaches about shitism on his page, but you go on his
34:03
page and the cover photo to for clickbait is about a rap battle
34:08
between two rappers. Yeah, yeah bro come on man, it's
34:11
not OK. Like you can't then like play
34:14
moral high ground about being a Shia influencer.
34:15
You know, speaking about Shia influences today I came, look,
34:19
what was today during work, I had like a small break and I
34:22
remember opening up my phone and it was the first thing that came
34:25
to my feet. And it's a Muslim influencer.
34:29
They were a Shia. It was a Muslim influencer.
34:31
And they were like, I know this is Haram, but thank you God for
34:37
letting me be in this in this moment.
34:41
They were in a concert with their favorite singer.
34:43
That's mess. In the States, yeah.
34:46
That is. So they they're basically
34:49
telling their entire Muslim audience I'm obviously sinning.
34:51
I know this is Haram but thank you Allah for giving me the
34:55
opportunity. To be publicly sin, yeah, that
34:58
is mess. That's like Inception level
35:01
rubber. I don't want to go into this
35:03
like. I know much, you know.
35:05
Muslims in Go and Coachella and stuff like that is bro.
35:09
But it's it's a rubber if we start this conversation.
35:12
Wait. Wait, what's the culture?
35:13
It's a, it's a, it's a. What do you call it?
35:14
It's a music festival. It's a music festival.
35:17
And and like Muslims, are proudly posting videos
35:19
themselves there. Or worse than that, Muslim
35:22
countries like in Syria or Saudi Arabia, they're hosting the
35:25
concerts. Yeah.
35:26
Like in Syria, they had flipping, they had like the
35:29
opening of Giuliani, Giuliani and the opening of football
35:32
stadium and they had like a gold.
35:33
But then finally he got stitched up with that, like they brought
35:36
him in last minute and he had no idea what he was going into and
35:39
he just sat him down. I think that's just well for
35:41
him. It's like all it is is, is like,
35:43
obviously these things are normalized in the West, Yeah.
35:45
Music and so on. Yeah.
35:47
But if you're going to then, like, preach, whether you're
35:50
online or you're running a government, practice what you
35:53
preach. So I'm saying it's simple as
35:55
man, people posting a Hadith and talking about religion and
36:00
publicly talking about religion, you've got to carry that, bro.
36:03
Same with you and me saying like, we're not influencers,
36:07
we're not scholars, but for example, people know we address
36:10
religious issues on a weekly basis.
36:12
If then you and I go to a concert and we're posting on our
36:15
stories and saying God, thank you for allowing me to be at
36:18
this concert, come on bro, like. I didn't stop posting topless
36:22
workout videos. They were AI.
36:27
No, no, I'm joking. That's not true.
36:31
Send me that I was don't. Prove where it is.
36:35
To find that the. Other day someone asked me I'm
36:38
going to go personal on this year.
36:40
Someone asked me. He was like, say, why are you
36:41
always quiet online? Because it was boring.
36:45
Now that's true, there's no way to.
36:47
So he goes He. Goes.
36:48
Only he knew that. He said, why are you quiet
36:51
online, like in like in the social media presence?
36:55
And I was like, and if I don't have anything to share, I'm not
36:57
going to share. It was like, yeah, but we like,
37:00
you know, you're telling me you can't post what food you eat.
37:03
Well, like you can't post what food you eat, where you go up to
37:06
where you go. Do people still care about like?
37:09
Like to who? I think as an in general.
37:12
Say do an influence. I'm not an influence, no.
37:14
People love to see what people are getting up to, right?
37:16
So they feel like if, if, if they're following you, they want
37:19
to know more about you. You understand.
37:21
So they feel like. They want inside scoop and.
37:25
And the more I think about it is why do you want to know?
37:28
I think about. It honestly, why do you want?
37:31
To know, let's say this, it's it's like I said, it's inside
37:34
scoop thing. Like for example, why do you
37:36
why, why celebrities and like influencers are huge on
37:40
Snapchat. It's because they'll show like
37:43
the BTS stuff in their life. Like for example, as an example,
37:47
yeah, we record a podcast every week.
37:50
Yeah, people who watch the podcast for years know
37:53
everything like the structure, the start, the finish, the end,
37:55
whatever. However, if we start posting on
37:58
Snapchat only exclusive behind the scenes footage, the
38:00
preparation and the cameras and speaking to the guests before
38:03
and after, not on us. But all I'm saying is like the
38:06
fan culture generally, whether it's with podcasts or music or
38:10
film or anything, Youtubers, they all want to know what
38:14
happens behind the scenes. Do you know what I mean?
38:16
Like I remember back in the day, there was a few Youtubers I used
38:18
to watch and then when I saw them on Snapchat, like, you
38:22
know, football or whatever that you see, like how they engage
38:25
with their friends. It's funny because you're seeing
38:28
more content by the people that you look up to or the content,
38:31
the creators that you like. So people enjoy that.
38:35
But like you said, if there's no need, why say anything?
38:37
Well, there is no need so Ali. What pieces did you just have?
38:41
Al Hamdullah, we had fire away from Ealing.
38:43
Shah Mustafa Joda. Amazing guy.
38:47
I think I've had this piece of 3-4 times.
38:50
Episode, by the way. Last three weeks.
38:52
That's true. That's true.
38:53
God bless. But.
38:53
Talking about Snapchat, I do use Snapchat sometimes between
38:56
family. Yeah, I yeah, I get you.
38:58
Do you know? I need that rumour.
38:59
Who's talking away? Yeah.
39:01
You get my snap the other day I got.
39:03
I. Got the only person who's.
39:04
Yeah, I know, I know. Do you know what?
39:06
Can I be rude with you? Yeah, I'm so I used to do
39:09
Snapchat so much. Yeah, he doesn't.
39:10
Open them. He opens them a week later.
39:12
Yeah. No, I do, yeah.
39:13
You know I had my Snapchat notifications on for time just.
39:17
About saying. Eric came.
39:18
Too much, you know? Nah.
39:20
So for me, I got to a point where no one I know snaps me
39:23
anymore. Yeah.
39:24
And I don't snap anyone, so the only notifications I was getting
39:28
is from Snapchat. Like, you know who's your
39:30
friend? Tube Snapchat.
39:31
Your contacts. Yeah, yeah, Tube Snapchat, Yeah.
39:34
So I was like, you know, allow it, man.
39:36
I turned off my notifications. And then once, once every 3-4,
39:40
yeah, it's great. Once every three or four weeks,
39:43
once every three or four weeks, I open Snapchat.
39:45
Top of my thing, said Ali. It's like a Blue Square.
39:48
Red Blue Square. Yeah, I'm, I, I open the video.
39:53
It's like St. Ali breaking his fast on Amaban.
39:55
It's like 4 months after Amaban. Like you know St.
40:00
Ali yet? Mashallah when he starts his
40:02
day, he wakes up. What's the first thing said?
40:05
Ali says he gets out of bed. Huh.
40:08
Why is she out? No.
40:14
No. No.
40:15
No Mashallah, let's. Take the conversation back to a
40:19
serious note. I turned up all my
40:22
notifications. Generally social media
40:25
notifications. That's why he's not WhatsApp.
40:27
No, WhatsApp, not the WhatsApp groups.
40:29
But are there? What was the conversation?
40:31
Wait, wait. Just.
40:34
To clarify. Yeah, at 9:00 PM.
40:38
Well, I said I leave. The meeting has been changed to
40:40
9:15 PM. He joins at 9:10 PM.
40:43
It was that guy. Why is no one in the meeting?
40:45
No, no, no. It's more than that.
40:47
It's more than that. We told him at 9:00.
40:48
It's at 9:15. At 9:00 he's like guys, I'll be
40:52
ready in 2 minutes. We said bro, don't worry, it's
40:54
at 9:15. So it.
40:56
Doesn't he? Didn't say anything.
40:57
So then at 904 he's like guys, I can't connect.
41:01
We're like Bubba read the message, you scroll up.
41:03
He's like why not replying to me?
41:05
Someone told me and it broke probably 2 minutes before.
41:08
You're like ours at 9:15. Feels so bad for you.
41:11
I had to find a screenshot every time if I search, said Ali.
41:15
Why don't you read our messages? I have, you know have that 1000
41:19
times. Just to give context.
41:19
The busy man. Just to give context, Yeah,
41:21
yeah, I'd wake up every day. There's about 300 messages from
41:25
one group that has the both of you mess group.
41:28
Nah, not anymore. It used to be a lot worse.
41:29
But I told them off. It used to be used if I wake.
41:32
Up and Ahmed's talking. I'm like, Ahmed, stop messaging.
41:34
Yeah, both. Sometimes I'll wake up, yeah.
41:37
And I'll be like, we have a hadith that says to be a Shia
41:40
and a time of the labour is nearly as great as being with
41:44
the imam physically. How does that make sense?
41:46
And that thought will come to my mind 9:00 AM on a Tuesday.
41:49
So I'll ask that question and Muhammad Ali shout out more Ali,
41:52
more Ali will be like, well, in this book we have this I.
41:55
Mean Ali gets exciting. Yeah, he loves it.
41:57
He loves. That awake at 855 wakes up like.
42:00
Stirring his coffee. He's stirring his coffee.
42:02
And he's, like, typing with one hand.
42:04
Yeah, katab and this. And you know, this says jokes,
42:09
man, these jokes. Ahmed.
42:12
Ha habibi last question that we forgot.
42:15
I think give the viewers an inspirational quote that will
42:18
change their lives or think about it and we'll come back.
42:23
To you, I saw one today I which I sent to you guys.
42:26
Give me one second. Inspirational music in the
42:28
background. Yeah, Nah, I saw one today.
42:32
Knowledge is the best gift of God.
42:34
Alib Nabia Talib Ali Salaam. That's the first one I had on my
42:37
phone. Knowledge is the best gift from
42:40
God. What?
42:41
What does that tell you? Break it down for us.
42:48
For voila do not run knowledge is the best thing for world
42:52
guys. Go online ChatGPT.
42:56
There's a ChatGPT Houser edition which is really good by the way,
43:00
does. It make.
43:01
Fantastic. No bro solid proper hadith
43:04
preferences called anikaya made by students of the Houser.
43:08
Someone's going to comment saying where can I get this?
43:11
I don't know, I'm sorry. So so.
43:15
The word product placement is. Sorry, so someone sent me a
43:18
link. I'll try and find it, DM off the
43:20
market. I'll I'll figure it out.
43:22
I've got it on my phone. It's incredible.
43:24
It's incredible. All right, guys.
43:26
Did you did you get that picture?
43:27
We're up to the picture. What picture?
43:28
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys, I just want to give a
43:32
shout out to wait, let me just set this up properly.
43:36
I want to give a shout out to HEMA Art, the art division of
43:40
Haim Al Abbas of course. Youth group in East London doing
43:43
incredible work, Majalis exhibitions, Moai Lead and
43:49
weekly bonfires with scholars, which we need to go to and check
43:51
out because martial art is incredible.
43:53
And I picked up this piece of art from an exhibition a couple
43:59
of days ago and I thought it would be a nice addition to the
44:00
set. So I want to just show the
44:03
camera. Hopefully you guys can see this.
44:05
This is Said Ali. What is it?
44:07
Can you describe what you can say to us?
44:08
This is the door entrance of the shrine of Abu al Fallal Abbas
44:12
Ali as Salaam, where you can see hanging down from the chandelier
44:18
towards the door, the karbel of Abu al Abbas, which represents
44:23
the water carrier. The water carrier on the.
44:25
Real hand drawing. This is a real hand drawing.
44:28
This is by, said Yasir Shah, who is the father of our dear
44:32
friend, Said Hassan, who is obviously one of the core team
44:36
members of Haim Al Abbas. Incredible like work, beautiful
44:40
detail. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:41
Like, And I, I actually showed, I showed someone who's an
44:45
artist. I showed them this picture.
44:46
You know, I saw their store and he had so much pictures.
44:49
I was like, this is crazy. How can you draw the I didn't
44:52
even I thought he. Was saying.
44:53
He said no, no, no, no. He's an architect and an artist.
44:56
I showed an artist, I showed an artist this picture.
45:00
They said if only you knew the number of hours that went into
45:03
the detail. And the artist looked at this
45:05
and said, I know how hard this artist has worked on it.
45:08
So shout out to say the Arthur, the Arthur Uncle Mehallah, bless
45:12
you, always give you Motofiak, Haim, Al Abbas, the whole team.
45:16
Thank you so much, guys. Check out Haima Art on
45:19
Instagram. They are, yeah, distributing,
45:23
sharing incredible artwork. Let alone the work they do, just
45:26
them as a team. Yeah, they carry themselves very
45:29
well. They're extremely dignified.
45:30
Yeah, Mashallah Mehallah, bless them and I think this will be a
45:34
nice addition to our set. What do you think?
45:36
Are you going to remove the YouTube black?
45:38
No, because for. We'll move something, we'll move
45:41
the event. Pictures rising door, Yeah.
45:45
I forgot about Rising Door by the way, it's like 3 months ago.
45:47
Well, I raised it from my memory.
45:49
It's deep. That was the most stressful.
45:51
Time. Yeah, It was so stressful.
45:53
Pressure. What pressure?
45:56
Yeah, do you remember the marketing memes?
45:58
Yeah, marketing. You know, I had, I had five
46:03
questions I wanted to ask Ahmed, but we've run out of time.
46:06
Give him, give him one, give me one.
46:07
I'll give you that one line answer.
46:08
Well, the quote he gave us was dry.
46:10
Sorry. It was just.
46:13
Not because minimum mini, no. As I you did a quote that was
46:16
going to come from you. You're saying that's your?
46:18
Grandfather, you gave me some hadith that you just memorized.
46:20
A minimum mini. No, I'm saying that your
46:23
grandfather I expect to suffer from you.
46:25
You're you guys are the grandsons of Salah.
46:28
You're asking me do. You mean like advice from him
46:30
and not a quote? Yeah.
46:32
Oh, a quote from me. When it's saying that was going
46:33
to change my life, man, I'm going to wake up, come back on
46:36
like. I I post my heartfelt things on
46:38
the stories. No, I'm not one of the market
46:40
stories. I'm not messaging you tomorrow.
46:41
Sorry bro. Yellow, were you going to ask
46:44
them? Yeah, it's follow.
46:45
What is one thing you'll change on the set?
46:47
The picture. I would add this next.
46:50
What do you think? No, I would get rid of the
46:52
Tespire and the sword. Not because I don't like them,
46:55
but because we've had them for four years.
46:57
So I'm, I'm yeah. Needs a change.
46:59
What do you think I've said much about Hosseini?
47:05
He's we. Are blood.
47:07
We are just mere human beings. His family.
47:09
Passing time in this universe. His family, who I've had the
47:15
least eye contacted in my life because he's so shy of people,
47:18
he doesn't keep eye contact to them.
47:20
OK, he's the one guy. When you meet him for the first
47:22
time, he's like, so. I have a few more, but we're
47:25
going to keep it to us. Just one, OK, I know it's one I
47:28
really want to ask. I really want to know for the
47:30
viewers to listen to as well. So OK with you.
47:35
Go on. How would you feel if I stepped
47:41
back from Aftermath? And he's been planning.
47:44
He's been planning this. He's being played.
47:47
No. Yeah.
47:47
I. I by the way, you know in his
47:49
head he's got a date. Yeah, I know.
47:51
Yeah, I wouldn't be happy. And I don't think, I don't think
47:55
that would be something we can discuss on camera.
47:59
Basically, how would I feel, bro?
48:02
I'd be finished bro, but I tried that before and you didn't Let
48:05
me. If you remember I was trying.
48:08
To imagine we spent five years building business.
48:10
Now obviously there's messages. Obviously there's got to be a
48:12
game plan, succession plan. We know that, right?
48:14
We can't be in our 40s talking to 17 now.
48:19
We can't be in our 40s talking about problems that 17 year olds
48:22
are having in school. Obviously we don't know, right.
48:24
So there has to be a game plan of we after Mahadabi's long term
48:29
project, we want it to continue Charlotte 1020 years at least.
48:33
So there has to be a a plan of action and Charlotte, we'll see
48:36
new faces, more people being a part of the project, more
48:41
productions, Hamdullah, the three of us and obviously the
48:44
wider team like. You know, I think the the the
48:48
people who watched the episodes week in week out should leave a
48:51
comment down below on how they would feel.
48:54
Yeah, I think how? How would they imagine after
48:57
market of changing like what's what's the exit plan?
48:59
We'll lose 10K subscribers, said Ali Lives.
49:06
Shout out to those weekly commentators, I'm still here.
49:09
Yeah, man, that's it. You're still, you've been
49:12
planning this, haven't you? It's a dramatic effect.
49:14
Did you see the pause before he asked the question?
49:16
He's been playing, playing out on this.
49:18
Head, how do I ask this? Well, wait, LA, he's.
49:20
Not making it seem like it's happening.
49:22
Yeah. He's already bought his flights,
49:24
by the way. He's leaving.
49:25
Yeah, he's got the time. He's the guy.
49:27
He's that guy. He's that kind of guy who's
49:30
already packed his bags to move to Oman.
49:33
Well, he's. Been in Madrid for the past
49:35
three weeks. Yeah, yeah.
49:37
And he's already packed his house up.
49:39
He's been in Sicily and he's he wouldn't tell us.
49:42
And then the day before his fight, he Black Shabab
49:45
announcement. Time has come.
49:47
You don't want to win Sicily. When did you find?
49:49
Out. You know how he's going to
49:49
announce him, by the way? He's going to send you a.
49:53
Snap. Yeah, Yeah.
49:54
True. I'll find out three weeks now by
49:56
saying we're filming tonight. I turned up.
49:58
Where is he? He.
49:59
Opened like. Snap.
50:01
Yeah. The the the other day you asked
50:03
me a question. I was like check my story.
50:05
Yeah, yeah. What did I say?
50:07
I was like, Oh yeah, who wants to go out?
50:08
You're like, what time should we form today?
50:10
No, no, no, I said. I said.
50:11
I said who's come? Like who's on chilling?
50:14
We'll go out for a child or something.
50:15
I used to check my story or you'll check my Snap.
50:18
I checked my Snapchat and this guy's on the plane.
50:23
Sometimes things happen last minute.
50:25
I feel like I need to ask you one last question because you've
50:28
been asking a lot so let me because I bro you planned this
50:32
and you told me not to plan so. I said I planned a lot of
50:35
questions. The dynamics changed in the
50:37
conversation a little. Can I make a Said Ali joke?
50:41
We plan and they plan. A lot's the best of plans.
50:44
It's not a joke though. Well.
50:46
Said Ali BA. I'm so tired.
50:54
Hurry up. Bro give me a second what's the
50:59
best compliment you've ever received in?
51:01
What sense? What's the best compliment
51:03
you've ever received? Did.
51:04
You just ask ChatGPT like. Like from.
51:08
Anyone Family? Anyone podcast related you know?
51:11
Podcast related. When you were eating your pizza
51:13
necessity. Podcast related, Yeah, say that.
51:18
OK, that wasn't really a compliment.
51:20
No, there'll suffice. That's an answer I was trying.
51:24
To say the story you. Can what happened?
51:28
I went to an island in Italy called Sicily, OK, and I went to
51:35
a place I hope I'm pronouncing correct, Palomero.
51:40
Palomo. Palomo, there we go.
51:42
You know I'm geography and we stayed in the area called Santa
51:52
Flap something. Anyhow, I drove an hour to the
51:56
city centre of Palermo, Palomo, and we found the nice pizza
52:02
joint. We went in chilling, ordered,
52:06
got my lemonade, got my pizza with some weird vegetables.
52:13
First time, but it was delicious.
52:14
I was enjoying it. And then someone went past.
52:18
And this is on an island in Italy.
52:19
It's not like down the road or in Wembley, Sudbury and these
52:23
places. Yeah.
52:24
And they went past, they looked, and then they went back.
52:27
Then they came back like 30 seconds later with their family
52:30
members. And they came this as Salaam.
52:34
But I was a bit confused. They hit my head and then they
52:38
were like, are you the guy from After Maghrib?
52:41
Literally what for what? And I was like, yeah, I host on
52:45
After Maghrib if that's what they were referring to.
52:48
But my brain wasn't putting 1 + 1 because I'm in the most random
52:51
place on earth. It's the Mediterranean,
52:55
literally, and he thinks he's in like north London.
52:57
Yeah, and then they said we just want to thank the team for all
53:01
that you do. Thank you to Aftermath.
53:03
Keep up the great work and thanks a lot.
53:05
And we're talking about Italians, guys.
53:07
Aftermath, donate, donate. You can't tell.
53:10
Like they're like one of us. They're Italian, Italian.
53:14
They're not reverse as in they're not like like Arabs,
53:17
Asians in Italy. I wouldn't have been able to say
53:22
yes to that, because you can't. Guys, if it was you that said
53:25
Salaam to him. Yeah, man.
53:26
Oh yeah. So.
53:27
Yeah, leave a comment. Please say Salaam and inshallah
53:30
we can say Salaam and I felt bad.
53:31
Did you ask them if they subscribed?
53:32
I didn't because they didn't want to disturb us.
53:36
You can. You'd assume they've subscribed
53:37
from the way they approached them.
53:39
I do want to apologize. One thing I wanted to get up and
53:42
say Salaam properly but. Someone sat behind him.
53:45
I tried to go back a bit and I was sitting in someone else's
53:47
chair and I was awkward. I've always said Salaam from
53:50
afar, Mar Salaam are from afar, but Marshall Lyon, it's.
53:53
Beautiful. Now we, when we have those
53:54
stories, those, you know, because of that.
53:56
Meaning I'm going to title the podcast now she has insistedly.
54:00
It happens, by the way. Yeah.
54:01
Marshall Lyon, she has in Sicily.
54:04
That's nice. Click fake now.
54:05
It happens, bro. I random places, random things.
54:09
It's beautiful when you go to different parts of the world.
54:12
I remember you had that friend in Panama.
54:16
Oh, Ricky Haider, who's now COM studying his Allah.
54:20
He's a chef. He's been a COM for many.
54:22
Years. The first viral.
54:23
He you know whose class he is in the chef, Monsieur Jaffer's
54:26
class. Yeah, yeah, he's in the same
54:28
class. He's crazy.
54:29
Some guy you ran. Multiverse, Multiverse, some guy
54:33
emailed, the story said no. This guy emailed me once from
54:38
Panama. Panama Papers.
54:43
The Panama, the country said yeah, he emailed saying I watch
54:47
a little bit tvi watch your shows and it.
54:50
Wasn't just I watch. He's like, you guys made me
54:52
shout. Yeah, basically I became.
54:54
You guys are basically my I. Changed my name to Haidel, this
54:57
stuff and I stayed. I basically was like, because we
55:01
got on and obviously he saw some of the stuff I did and we became
55:05
friends and we stayed in touch and we followed each other and
55:07
everything. I never met him, Subhanallah,
55:09
till this day I met him. I don't know how, and we stayed
55:12
in touch and he used to send me videos and all of that.
55:16
Yeah, He's a Marshall. He's a Hausener, He's a, he's a
55:19
teacher as in to to the likes of us, you know, he's a shark
55:22
Marshall scholar. So it just goes to show man.
55:26
But yeah bro, Subhanallah. That was the time you were
55:29
presenting the shows and. Yeah, that was the.
55:32
Muslim narrative, documentary and.
55:34
Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.
55:37
Those are the days, man. I don't get compliments to
55:39
answer your question. That's it.
55:42
Say that. Earlier one last one last
55:43
question. Last question, What's your dream
55:46
Tesco meal deal combination? What's What's the American
55:53
equivalent of Tesco? For the drink.
55:55
Taco Bell Taco Taco Walmart Walmart they don't have meal
55:59
deal. What target for the drink?
56:01
Yeah. Peach iced tea.
56:04
That's flipping butters bro. Huh.
56:07
Yeah, I can't. No, no, no.
56:08
Peach ice tea. No, no, no.
56:10
Peach ice tea. No, it's not Lipton.
56:12
It's a different. One, you need to get the Polish
56:14
ones by the way they were. Peach ice tea for the crisp.
56:18
I'd enjoy the prawn cocktail. I used to, but I've had too much
56:22
of that. I now have the.
56:23
Sensations. No, no, no.
56:25
The Monster Munch. The pickled onion.
56:29
I don't know why. That's the most Snapchat crisp.
56:31
I don't know why, but that's my reason to go to crisp.
56:35
If I grab that as a snack and as the main sandwich, I don't get
56:40
sandwiches anymore, I get the fruit.
56:43
Fruit mango mains. Either mango mains or the mixed
56:47
berries and grapes. OK, but where?
56:49
Where? Where can egg and crisp or no
56:52
tuna Mayo? I don't do tuna so egg and
56:55
grass. Should I tell you mine is?
56:56
Egg and crust. Bro let.
56:58
Me tell you cheese and onions. You said ice, Peach, iced tea,
57:01
monster much? Berries and grapes.
57:03
Yeah. Fair play.
57:04
Fair play. Proper way.
57:05
Isn't it proper random for me? Yeah, I'll tell you what is
57:08
Yeah. In my Tesco there's halal
57:10
chicken ticker sandwiches. Really.
57:11
Yeah, bro, it's only much. You know, but you know their
57:14
chicken looks. Is is Butters?
57:16
Yeah, I I've had it. I'm not going to lie.
57:18
It doesn't taste good, man. It's halal halala.
57:20
I did my research. Everything.
57:21
It doesn't look good. But it, yeah, it does the job.
57:24
Yeah. And you're starving.
57:25
Nothing else in it. Usually it's the pasta.
57:28
It's got to be pasta, pasta salad, cheese and tomato.
57:31
Although. You've had your.
57:32
Breath. I used to have that in meal
57:33
deal. I used to have that.
57:35
The pasta, your breath will stink sometimes.
57:37
Or the prawn salad solid. Yeah, it does the job.
57:41
Then there's only two crisps. I really like blue Doritos.
57:46
I really like blue. I go through phases.
57:48
Yeah, I mean, Doritos or sensations.
57:53
Yeah, I know. I used to be on like the red and
57:56
then I had the orange base. Now I'm back on blue.
57:58
No, it's not. No, blue is.
58:01
Blue is original. Yeah.
58:04
And then in terms of a drink? You're the most generic Hoja in
58:07
the. World how bro?
58:08
Who has blue crisps? No, Solid, OK.
58:12
Carry on, drinks. And then drink.
58:16
I will. I would like to get a coffee but
58:21
a lot of coffee things I boycott now to go and see can't really
58:24
do anything. Do you know what I mean?
58:25
Starbucks, Costa, all of the Tesco brands, even the double
58:29
shot espresso boycott, you know what I'm saying?
58:32
So. The problem is no other company
58:34
does a double shirt. I know, I know, I know.
58:36
Except. Starbucks.
58:37
Yeah, and it's nice as well. It's.
58:38
Nice to get. That's actually tastes like
58:40
coffee, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I used to get a few
58:42
years ago and then stopped, in all honesty.
58:44
Is overpriced as well. Yeah I know, but if I need
58:48
caffeine bro, I'll have to get like a Lucozade or something, do
58:50
you know what I mean? My mildew drink is a Red Bull.
58:53
Yeah, Red Bull. Still drink Red Bull?
58:56
I drink for a ball as. Well, when you get a meal deal,
58:57
you have to like utilize as much money.
58:59
Yeah, exactly. So you're spending like 6 lbs
59:02
and you get it for 3:20 or whatever.
59:03
So you make your meal based on how much money you can save.
59:06
Yeah, as if I could get a red ball, I'll get a red.
59:08
Ball, the big one as well, I saw.
59:10
The other day, the huge red ball part of the meal deal.
59:12
No, that's too much a. Huge.
59:14
Yeah, the huge Red Bull's part of the mild deal.
59:15
I don't get the. And by itself is like almost £4.
59:18
That's mad. The the it's like the 500 law.
59:21
Would used to get boost, boost, boost.
59:24
Yeah, you know, I remember used to.
59:26
Drink of your class. I used.
59:29
To always have a box of boost in that.
59:31
Yeah, yeah, I used to drink more boost on water.
59:34
Yeah, it's filthy crazy, bro. I drink.
59:37
More energy, everything. One of our listeners who lives
59:40
in London is a boost. Drink.
59:41
No. We all drink Boost, and we all
59:43
grew up on that stuff. Yeah, more than water like this.
59:46
Ahmed, doesn't 35P emerge? Oh, those are the days.
59:51
The red, the silver one with the red.
59:53
Yeah, I used to get a merge man. That was watered down boost.
59:56
Have you ever heard Power Horse the the fresh he drinks?
1:00:01
Of the Los Olena Middle East. There's one.
1:00:03
There's one in Ararat. That was power horse.
1:00:11
Horsepower. No, it was probably cool.
1:00:18
Power horse guys, I think we need to end up.
1:00:22
Yeah, a laugh the. 20 minute episode is one hour 5 now.
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Yes. A lot of you guys have noticed
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Very soon. Can I just add one or two last
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Read the thumbs and conditions. Yeah, yeah.
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incredible. Last year we did 17 live mini
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Ready, ready. See you next week.