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Congressman Massie joined Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It's 8.06 here at 55 KRC, the talk stationing. Very
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  Speaker 1: happy Wednesday. Extra special. Boy, I've been just putting smiles
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  Speaker 1: on my face all morning. Looking forward to listening to lunch.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw on the rundown this morning when I
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  Speaker 1: came in, just my smile lit up. And just really
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  Speaker 1: happy to welcome back to the 55 KRC morning show. Congressman,
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  Speaker 1: we can still call him that for a while, Thomas Massey,
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  Speaker 1: my friend. It is so nice having you on the
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  Speaker 1: show again.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be on, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And perfect time, too, all the rage these days, getting
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  Speaker 1: rid of flock cameras. Most recently, yesterday, we had Lebanon
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  Speaker 1: City Council here in Ohio voted to remove all 20
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  Speaker 1: of its flock cameras, not because of law enforcement abuse,
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  Speaker 1: because of, well, flock is apparently keeping data. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know where they're selling the data. Obviously, some serious privacy concerns.
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  Speaker 1: And my libertarian friend, I know you are all about
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  Speaker 1: preventing the surveillance state. And so you have this, what
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  Speaker 1: is it, Flock Off Act?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, be careful. The FCC.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I have to use the dump button on myself.
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  Speaker 1: So Flock Off Act. What does this hope to accomplish?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Flock Off is in response to my constituents and, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: people all over the country who are upset about the
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  Speaker 2: mass surveillance that's being enabled by Flock cameras. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: there are other brands of cameras that do the same thing,
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  Speaker 2: and my bill covers them all. but we thought Flockoff
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  Speaker 2: would be the best name for the bill. What the
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  Speaker 2: bill does, it doesn't ban these cameras. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: that power. Congress does not have that power. States and
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  Speaker 2: cities still have the authority to, you know, infringe on
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  Speaker 2: your rights in this way, if you will. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they have the constitutional authority to But we don't
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  Speaker 2: have the ability to ban a technology like this nationwide.
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  Speaker 2: So what my bill does, it's very simple. It says
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to use any federal funds for cameras
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  Speaker 2: like the flock cameras that are in real time monitoring
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  Speaker 2: license plates of innocent Americans. Some of them go further
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  Speaker 2: than that and do facial recognition. It's a dystopian future
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  Speaker 2: that we're looking at with these cameras. So no funding
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  Speaker 2: for you. If your police department or your city wants
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  Speaker 2: to put these in, don't ask the feds for the
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  Speaker 2: money to do it. And also, it does prohibit the
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  Speaker 2: feds from doing it or interacting with these systems.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's power of the purse. I guess I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of curious since obviously I think your bill suggests and
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  Speaker 1: the nature of it suggests that money is coming from
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  Speaker 1: the federal government to fund various flock camera systems around
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  Speaker 1: this country. Is that pursuant to a grant? Is it
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  Speaker 1: picking and choosing who gets federal funds, like the picking
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  Speaker 1: of winners and losers, which is typical of the federal government?
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  Speaker 1: How are these grants awarded, or are these funds awarded?
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  Speaker 2: Somebody was incredulous. They thought that the feds aren't doing this,
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  Speaker 2: so they asked GROC, which is the Artificial Intelligence Fund
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  Speaker 2: Act that everybody seems to rely on for authority. They said, GROC,
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  Speaker 2: is this really happening? Which programs? And GROC listed about
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  Speaker 2: eight different federal pipelines of money that go to cities
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  Speaker 2: and police departments for which you could spend this money
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  Speaker 2: on flock cameras, and it's happening. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've always said this about the Department of Justice and
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  Speaker 2: the FBI. They sit there in front of us in
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  Speaker 2: the Judiciary Committee, and they'll say things. When we ask
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  Speaker 2: them a question, they'll stall, and sometimes they'll say, it's
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  Speaker 2: our policy not to answer that question. It's, you know...
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  Speaker 2: I turned to Jim Jordan, and I've told him this
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  Speaker 2: several times. If we would just withhold funding for one
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  Speaker 2: toner cartridge, these buffoons, they would start singing like a bird,
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  Speaker 2: and they would tell us what we want to know.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the lever you have here is the money.
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  Speaker 2: Follow the money and cut off the money. I really
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  Speaker 2: don't think that they will spend the money if they
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  Speaker 2: have to spend their own money on this. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of them won't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's typically the case. I think we've seen a
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  Speaker 1: pattern develop along those lines over the years, Congressman Massey.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, and I have to raise this
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  Speaker 1: because I've been bringing it up regularly. Any abuse under these,
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  Speaker 1: with the flock system, we've had officers abusing it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: finding girlfriends and searching for people that have no connection
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  Speaker 1: with law enforcement, clear abuses. So we know that it's
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  Speaker 1: out there. But it seems to me the argument against
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  Speaker 1: flaw cameras, any abuse cannot be tolerated. If these can
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  Speaker 1: be abused, then they must be abolished completely. I guess
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  Speaker 1: I wonder where that same argument is for voter fraud, because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we have found ways people can violate or
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  Speaker 1: can break the law and still vote unlawfully and illegally
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  Speaker 1: in elections. And yet, you know, all this just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen that much. So it's not worthy of dealing with.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how you can reconcile those
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  Speaker 1: two positions, Congressman.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and just imagine if they had flock cameras during
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  Speaker 2: COVID to enforce lockdowns. Remember, they said you couldn't cross
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  Speaker 2: from the state of Kentucky to the state of Ohio
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  Speaker 2: and come back, that you would have to take like
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  Speaker 2: a two-week or three-week, four-week timeout. It was ridiculous. And
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  Speaker 2: the only reason they couldn't make that stick is they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have things like flock to enforce it. Now, in
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  Speaker 2: the state of Kentucky, they sent state troopers to church
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  Speaker 2: parking lots during services, and they collected license plate information. Now,
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  Speaker 2: they had to do it manually, right? So they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: do every church. There's too many churches and not enough
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  Speaker 2: state police. And that was clearly– that was tyrannical. It
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  Speaker 2: was uncalled for. You may disagree with me on that,
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  Speaker 2: but it was eventually ruled unconstitutional. They lost– Governor Beshear
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  Speaker 2: lost a famous case here in Kentucky. T.J. Roberts, now
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  Speaker 2: state rep, was the plaintiff who brought the case, I
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  Speaker 2: would say defended it maybe into defending his rights. But
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  Speaker 2: imagine if they had flock cameras what they could do.
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  Speaker 2: But when I drove to D.C., I drove my car
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  Speaker 2: against all of these rules and regulations. I drove it
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  Speaker 2: to D.C. to object to the CARES Act, and I
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  Speaker 2: forced them to assemble and take that vote in person.
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  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be possible if the flock cameras and the
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  Speaker 2: license plate readers existed for those purposes. And then the
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  Speaker 2: other thing is people say, well, if you're not doing
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  Speaker 2: anything wrong, you shouldn't worry about Well, then why does
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  Speaker 2: the government redact everything if they're not doing anything wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Well, exactly. And then, of course, you paint a dystopian
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  Speaker 1: scenario considering the COVID-19 insanity we lived through and actually
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  Speaker 1: abided by, which is crazy. But what abuses can be
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  Speaker 1: easily envisioned with these systems in place? I get it
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  Speaker 1: all day long. I truly do. I mean, they're great
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  Speaker 1: at law enforcement, but therein lies the challenge. What laws
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  Speaker 1: are being enforced? Who has the keys to power, and
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  Speaker 1: what are they looking for? That's the dystopian component of it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so pivoting over, I think we have some time.
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  Speaker 1: We can dive on into the Prime Act. And you've
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  Speaker 1: been an advocate for this for a long time. It
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  Speaker 1: exempts from federal inspection animals and meats that are slaughtered
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  Speaker 1: and prepared for custom at animal slaughter facilities for distribution
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  Speaker 1: just within a state. So we're not involved with interstate
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  Speaker 1: commerce here. And states do have their own laws with
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  Speaker 1: regard to food safety and preparation, don't they, Congressman Massey?
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  Speaker 1: Why can't we slaughter our own cows next door?
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  Speaker 2: Correct. There are small custom meat processing facilities that cut
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  Speaker 2: up less beef in a night than Kroger's does, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a day. Um, or, or that a steakhouse does
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  Speaker 2: in a day. And how, how are those inspected? Do
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  Speaker 2: you have to have a USDA inspector at Kroger's behind
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  Speaker 2: the meat counter? No, you have to have, have one
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  Speaker 2: at a steakhouse. No. What do you have? You have
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  Speaker 2: local inspections. You have health inspectors from the counties in
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  Speaker 2: most States, uh, they will go, they'll give a grade,
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  Speaker 2: they can post it, A plus, A minus, 90%. You
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  Speaker 2: can walk in the establishment, look at their grade and say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not feeling like a B minus Chinese meal buffet tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to walk out and go somewhere else. Those
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  Speaker 2: are the kind of things, ways that it should be
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  Speaker 2: regulated at that scale. Now, If you've got a hot
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  Speaker 2: dog factory with trainloads of animals coming in one side
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  Speaker 2: and Oscar Mayer Wieners coming out the other side, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there needs to be an inspector there, possibly a federal inspector.
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  Speaker 2: And so we don't exempt those because those are going
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  Speaker 2: across state lines. And so with the PRIME Act, it
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  Speaker 2: actually is an acronym. I don't think I've ever said
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  Speaker 2: it on your show. Processor Revival Intrastate Meat Exemption. That's
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  Speaker 2: the P-R-I-M-E. in the prime act. And so you've heard
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  Speaker 2: so much in the news. First of all, Trump wanted
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  Speaker 2: to lower the price of beef. He said, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to import 300,000 metric tons of beef. Actually, you have
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  Speaker 2: to multiply that by 2000 and you'll realize how many millions,
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of pounds he's talking about. It's like
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  Speaker 2: 600 million. Yeah. Pounds of hamburger. Okay. That's, Eight quarter
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  Speaker 2: pounders of pee for every man, woman, and child. That
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  Speaker 2: is how much meat product, ground meat product, that he's
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  Speaker 2: proposing to bring in. And people say, oh, Congressman Mezzi,
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  Speaker 2: I thought you didn't like tariffs. This is the free market.
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  Speaker 2: This is not the free market. He's cutting a deal
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  Speaker 2: with just a few countries, and part of the deal
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  Speaker 2: requires him to bring it in at 75% of the
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  Speaker 2: market price. He's setting the price. He's setting the quantity.
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  Speaker 2: He's setting the source, and he's setting the product. It's
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  Speaker 2: not steaks. It's ground beef. which, by the way, is
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  Speaker 2: going to make it harder for American processors and farmers
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  Speaker 2: to sell the whole carcass if you're distorting the market
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  Speaker 2: by bringing in only part of the kind of animal
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  Speaker 2: that's sold. Because you have to sell the whole animal
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  Speaker 2: when you've got one up in the United States, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the PRIMAC solves all this. It solves it. And
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  Speaker 2: it's also– the president made two executive orders Those were
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  Speaker 2: bait and switch. Those were, I call them nothing burgers.
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  Speaker 2: One of the executive orders is supposed to return country
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  Speaker 2: of origin labeling. This is something I've been on your
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  Speaker 2: show long enough that in 2015 they repealed country of
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  Speaker 2: origin labeling. I'm sure we could go back and find
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  Speaker 2: where I was railing against the repeal of that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Trump's executive order doesn't put country of origin labeling back in.
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  Speaker 2: It says they're going to study the problem for 90 days.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, The 300,000 metric tons of beef comes
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  Speaker 2: in over the next 90 days. The election happens in
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  Speaker 2: the next 90 days. And after 90 days of studying this,
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  Speaker 2: they might, it says may do something. The executive order
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  Speaker 2: says may in three places. They're not going to, if
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  Speaker 2: the law allows, the law doesn't allow, Congress sets the law.
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  Speaker 2: And Congress repealed the law. He can't put it in place.
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  Speaker 2: It was a big nothing burger fake.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll pause, bring Congressman Massey back, answering a question.
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  Speaker 1: Who is against the idea of local processing since seemingly
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  Speaker 1: with reduced shipping charges, you don't have to rely on
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  Speaker 1: diesel fuel to get from point A to point B.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's into local, and we'd be able to see our
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  Speaker 1: cows there. 821-55-KRC, the talk station. Happy Wednesday. Brian Thomas
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  Speaker 1: with Congressman Massey. Love having him on the show. Gonna
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  Speaker 1: miss you like you have no idea. Congressman Massey. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: real quick. Who would be against the idea of local
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  Speaker 1: processing of beef, unless they're in bed with one of the, what,
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  Speaker 1: three major slaughterhouses in the United States, the sort of
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  Speaker 1: oligopoly they've got going anyway? And also, who would be
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  Speaker 1: against country of origin labeling? Damn it, I want to
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  Speaker 1: know where my food comes from.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, everyone, remember in the first segment of this show,
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  Speaker 2: we talked about follow the money? Yeah. The flock off bill? Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the biggest donor to Trump's inauguration, $ 5 million they gave,
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  Speaker 2: is JBS, the biggest beef processor in the world, the
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  Speaker 2: head of the oligarchy as far as beef processing goes.
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  Speaker 2: And they are from Brazil. They're Brazilian-owned. And then I
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  Speaker 2: noticed that the president's press announcement, he had ranchers behind
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  Speaker 2: him on the right and ranchers behind him on the left. who,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, they had to get on that plane
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  Speaker 2: and go there before they knew what was in the
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  Speaker 2: executive order, right? They must have looked like somebody shot
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  Speaker 2: their dog when they found out what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: But the guy right directly behind him was Zippy Duvall,
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  Speaker 2: who is the biggest ag lobbyist. He's the president of
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  Speaker 2: Farm Bureau. And Farm Bureau, I'm going to call them out.
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  Speaker 2: They've got a lot of great members. People get their
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  Speaker 2: insurance from them, a lot of great county-level Farm Bureau groups.
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  Speaker 2: But at the federal level, they are screwing cattlemen and
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  Speaker 2: beef farmers because they were in favor of getting rid
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  Speaker 2: of country of origin labels. They have been in favor
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  Speaker 2: of electronic ID tags for cattle, which is going to
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  Speaker 2: verticalize the industry. They are in favor of the beef
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  Speaker 2: checkoff program, which robs a dollar from every farmer every
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  Speaker 2: time they sell an animal. And they are against any
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  Speaker 2: change in the regulation of meat processing. And they predominantly
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  Speaker 2: represent the row crops. They're not like the National Cattlemen's
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  Speaker 2: Beef Association. which is pure evil, right? The Farm Bureau
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  Speaker 2: has a conflict of interest. They don't really represent vegetable
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  Speaker 2: growers or dairy or beef. They're really just about corn
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  Speaker 2: and soybeans. And so they're not looking out for beef.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, they're on the wrong side of beef. But
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  Speaker 2: National Cattlemen's Beef Association is the worst because if you
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  Speaker 2: read that name, And again, they have some county organizations
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  Speaker 2: that are pretty good. If you read that name, you
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  Speaker 2: would think they're up there fighting for you at the
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  Speaker 2: federal level. No, they are fighting against the Prime Act.
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  Speaker 2: They're the worst. They're worse than Farm Bureau. So that's
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  Speaker 2: why this is not going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting revelation.
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  Speaker 2: But I got some good news. I got a pilot
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  Speaker 2: program for the Prime Act in the House Farm Bill.
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  Speaker 2: And we just need to get it, which hasn't passed yet.
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  Speaker 2: The Senate Farm Bill does not have a pilot program
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  Speaker 2: for the Prime Act in it. But we're working on
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  Speaker 2: some senators over there to get that language in there
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  Speaker 2: so that it can become law. And that's the way
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  Speaker 2: you got to do it. You can't do all this
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  Speaker 2: stuff by executive order. No, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: And a shocking revelation here in the morning show, Congressman Massey,
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  Speaker 1: that money has an influence in politics.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Real quick here, why would anybody be against country of origin?
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  Speaker 1: And can I impose upon you to stick around to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Epstein in the next segment?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay, wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: So wait in the wings for that, folks.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming.
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  Speaker 1: But real quick on the country of origin labeling. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I find that's a very valuable piece of information. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I look at it with seafood. I can see what
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  Speaker 1: country the seafood comes from. And I don't want farm-raised
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  Speaker 1: crab coming from the waters of some polluted area or
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  Speaker 1: outside of Thailand. So I can say no on that
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  Speaker 1: because it's right there. What about other meats?
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  Speaker 2: Right. We still have country of origin labeling on seafood
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  Speaker 2: and chicken, as it should be, and on cell phones
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  Speaker 2: and cars and food. Like, literally, one of the only
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  Speaker 2: things we don't have it on is beef and pork,
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  Speaker 2: and it got repealed in 2015. And these are the
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  Speaker 2: greedy meat packers. This is the oligarchy. They wanted to
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  Speaker 2: bring in beef from South America and Canada, calves. In
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  Speaker 2: Ohio and Kentucky, your listening area, Indiana as well, we
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  Speaker 2: have a bunch of brood cows and we typically raise
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  Speaker 2: calves and then those go to feedlots. They were trying
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  Speaker 2: to undercut the calf producers in the United States by
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  Speaker 2: bringing the calves from overseas or outside our borders and
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  Speaker 2: then raising them on feedlots and butchering them and calling
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  Speaker 2: it USDA and fooling the consumer. Here's why you should care.
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  Speaker 2: Even the U.S. Olympic Association issued an advisory several years
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  Speaker 2: ago that Olympians should not eat meat when they're overseas.
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  Speaker 2: They should bring it from the United States. Otherwise, they
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  Speaker 2: may fail their anabolic steroid test.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, great.
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  Speaker 2: Because they are illegally, even though there are rules against
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  Speaker 2: it overseas, they don't follow the rules. And if you cheat,
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  Speaker 2: you win if you're in another country. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: what they do. And, in fact, some of this beef,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know where it's coming from yet, but we
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  Speaker 2: know some countries have rejected other countries' beef. I'm wondering
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  Speaker 2: if we're getting the secondhand beef that's been rejected by
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  Speaker 2: other countries.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if we only had country of labeling on there,
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  Speaker 1: we wouldn't have to worry about that. Sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: solid idea from me, Congressman Massey.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you can choose. If you want to buy
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  Speaker 2: the $ 3- pound stuff from, you know, Argentina, okay, great. And
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  Speaker 2: if you want $ 5 grass-fed raised in the Midwest, then
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  Speaker 2: you can know where it came from.
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  Speaker 1: I want some of that Congressman Massey Commonwealth beef on
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  Speaker 1: my table. I know what that tastes like. That's solid stuff, sir.
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  Speaker 1: I call it wangus.
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  Speaker 2: I call it wangus. The cross between Wagyu and Angus, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's great.
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  Speaker 1: Pause for a moment. We are going to find out
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  Speaker 1: why is this trip necessary. Epstein Files Transparency Act, Mark 2.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go away. 55KRC, the talk station. 831 and 55KRC,
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  Speaker 1: the talk station. We're in time with Congressman Thomas Massey.
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  Speaker 2: What a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of comments from our listening audience. Congressman Massey about
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  Speaker 1: how much people are going to miss you when you're gone. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I.
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  Speaker 1: It's as if more trolls came out of the woodwork
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: after the election, Congressman Massey, than you had before the election.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you deal with that. Go ahead.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I thought on May 20th, after my election,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: my primary, and I lost it, I thought, well, at
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: least the paid army of trolls and bots will go away. Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: But they doubled down. They did. They are spending lots
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: of money online. They're literally warehouses of trolls. And that
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: are on there because they're worried I'll do something bigger.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And they're going to just keep laying down the suppressive
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: fire on me. But it's not going to work.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Heaven forbid we get country of origin labeling for our
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: meat and our chicken out in the world. God, you're
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: such a danger to society, Congressman Massey. I don't know
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: how you sleep with yourself. Anyway, pivoting over.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Now, I guess.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: The Epstein-Files Transparency Act, overwhelmingly passed by Congress and signed
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: into law, wasn't quite enough. You had to create a
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: new cause of action. action dealing with that pesky legal
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: concept called standing. Is that the reason for the Epstein
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Files Transparency Act, too?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: That is one big reason we created it. Let me
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: start with another reason, and then we'll get into standing,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: cause of action, and whatever the legal terms of art are.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: You're an attorney, so you know this. But I wrote
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: this bill, my staff and I wrote this bill in
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: conjunction with the survivor's lawyers and the New Mexico Attorney General. Now,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: you may say, why is the New Mexico Attorney General
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: interested in the Epstein files? Because there's a giant ranch
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in New Mexico called Zorro Ranch. where a lot of
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: crimes occurred. There were more visitors to Zorro Ranch than
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: there were to Epstein Island. And it's like a crime scene.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: It's still there, preserved. Jeffrey Epstein's books are still on
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the shelves. The painting of Delaine is still on the wall.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And crimes occurred there for which The statute of limitations
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: has not expired. There are crimes that don't have statute
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of limitations. They are state crimes. And the state attorney
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: general in New Mexico wants to prosecute these crimes. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: he wants access to the esteem files. And he's got
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to have the unredacted versions to give the judge. They
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: don't have to release them publicly. He needs these in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: his hands to convict, to investigate, prosecute, and convict The criminals.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And I asked him, I'm like, well, doesn't the U.S.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Attorney General just cooperate usually? Like what usually happens in
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: an instance like this? And he said every single time.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: He said it's like it might take you a week
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: or two, but any time you need a file from
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the feds, the states need a file from the feds,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the feds will give it to them. He's never seen
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: anything like this in his life. Todd Blanch will not
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: allow him access to the files that he needs to
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: prosecute these crimes. And we're saying if Todd Blanch is
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: not going to prosecute these crimes as the chief law
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: enforcement officer in the United States, then let the state
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: attorneys general do it. And I suspect there are also crimes–
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: in Florida and crimes in New York where those attorneys
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: general could prosecute. And so that's what this bill does. First,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I think that's the most important thing this bill does,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: is it allows these crimes to be prosecuted under state
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: law and state courts. Next, it gives standing to three,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: as you were saying before, to three categories of or
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: groups of people. Number one, the survivors get standing. Todd
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Blanch is withholding the survivors' own forms, the 302 forms
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: that the FBI has to fill out every time they
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: interview a victim or a witness. It's just a very
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: standard form. And we know those forms are missing, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: some of them are overly redacted, and they say they
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: can't even unredact some of these forms, which is a
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Not true. They just need to go to the FBI.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: The DOJ needs to go to the FBI or the U.S.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: attorneys and say, give us the unredacted files. Because the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: copies in the DOJ's possession, they just have a copy
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that happens to be already redacted. But they can go
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: back to the FBI and to the U.S. attorneys and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: get the unredacted files. In any case, they're overly redacting
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the 302 forms. that the survivors need to see and
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the survivor's families. And in some cases, they're withholding them entirely.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: This gives those survivors unambiguous standing to go to a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: court and basically the judge can't throw out their case
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: by saying you don't have standing. They would immediately have
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: standing to litigate this in court. It gives the U.S.,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, the state attorneys general the standing to
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: do the same thing, and it gives members of Congress
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: standing to go to court. So I can't go to
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: court and test the legal theory that Todd Blanch is
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: using to withhold some of these files. Let me give
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you an example. By the way, he admits he's got
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: six million files, and he only thinks we need to
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: see three million of them. And so the question is,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: what's in those other three million files? I don't care
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: so much about how many files I get, but I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: know there are files that he has that he's not
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: giving us. Let me give you an example. In the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Extinct Files Transparency Act Part 1, we say that they
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: have to release the documents and memos, internal documents and memos,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: about their decision to prosecute or investigate or not prosecute
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: or not investigate. And that's clearly in our first bill
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that passed both chambers and was signed by the president.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It's the law. But there's– it's a law, and a
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: new law overrides any old law or old rule. Exactly. Okay.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But they're trying to assert that they have deliberative process privilege. Now,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that is a term of art that's applied to Freedom
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of Information Act requests. If you, Brian Thomas, say– I
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: want to know this thing, and you request it from
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the government. They don't have to show you their homework,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: their deliberative process. All they have to do is show
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you the final result. But that's Freedom of Information Act
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: law and rules and precedent. And even if it did
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: apply to something like the Epstein files, the fact that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: we put explicitly in the first bill that they have
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to deliver that, means they have to deliver it. You
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: can't hide behind some pre-existing law. And this is just
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a concept of the way laws work.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Congressman Massey, giant burning question in my mind. Why the stonewalling?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Why is this going on? What's Blanche's problem? Didn't Donald
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Trump campaign on releasing the Epstein files? Didn't everybody sign
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: up on the original Epstein File Transparency Act, which is
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the law of the land? It was overwhelmingly passed. What's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: going on?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: You cannot imagine. Well, let me close that thought out
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and then answer your question, why the stonewalling. Okay, so
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the new bill, number one, it gives members of Congress standing. Okay,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that's the third category. So we could take Todd Blanch
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to court, and a judge, I think in one minute,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: would rule for us. Yes. Because his proposition is so ludicrous,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Todd Blanch's proposition is. And then we also use the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: word deliberative process. We just flat out say you can't
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: exert that privilege. OK, even though we don't need that language,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: because if we could get him in a courtroom, the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: judge would acknowledge that we don't need that language. Well,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: we put it in there. It's boots and belt and suspenders.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So why the stonewalling? Well, let me talk to you
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: about the degree of stonewalling. All right. If you remember
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: last year about this time, they shut down Congress for
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: about two months. Yeah. to avoid swearing in a new
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: member of Congress, which was going to be and ultimately
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: was the 218th signature I needed. Now, they blamed it
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: on the government shutdown, but I've been in Congress for
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: 14 years, and when the government shuts down, Congress still
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: stays open because we're the only ones that can open
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: it back up. We have to pass the spending bill
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that opens it back up, Again, Mike Johnson kept it
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: shut down. I call it the Epstein shutdown a year
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: ago to try to give the White House more time
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: to beat up my Republican co-signers to get their names
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: off of the discharge petition. It didn't work, but they
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: ended up shutting down Congress for two months. I predicted
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: about a week ago, a week and a day ago
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: on a Tuesday, hey, We came back to Congress after
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a five-week recess. I heard a rumor, and it made
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: so much sense to me that I put it out
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: there on the internet, and I said, Mike Johnson is
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: likely to shut down Congress until the election to avoid
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: me getting 218 signatures on the Epstein files, just like
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: he did last year. He goes on TV, some reporter
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: asked him, and he said that's a He said, let
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: me tell you why Thomas Massey's idea is stupid. And
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: then he said it was ludicrous or something like that,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that if I would just come to the meetings, I
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: would know we're going to work every day on the
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: calendar until the election. And two days after he made
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that statement, he called off two weeks of Congress so
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: that we won't be– in other words, there's only two
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: more full days. that we will be in session. That's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: next week. We fly in on a Monday. We work
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: on Tuesday and Wednesday. and we fly out on a Thursday.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: There were supposed to be two more weeks in addition
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to that. He cut them off the calendar because he
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't want me to get to 218 signatures. Why? He
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't want me to get to 218. Why? And this
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: is the thing that should heighten your suspicion.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: They're already heightened.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson went out and made such a
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: strong statement that we are going to work every day
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: at the counter because he knows it looks bad if
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: we quit. We've got the majority in the House and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the Senate.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: What's he afraid of?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Why are we not passing country of origin labeling, for instance, right?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: There's time to do that before the election. Why are
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: we not doing these things? And then why did Mike
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Johnson just make such an absolute fool of himself by
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: going backwards? Yeah. It's because he got a call. I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: guarantee you he got a call from somebody over in
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the executive branch or this cabal of Epstein associates who
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: are friends with Donald Trump who said, Massey's done it before.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: He's going to do it again. Snap the ball and
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: fall on it. Run out the clock. Do whatever you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: got to do to keep Massey from having time to
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: get 218 signatures. Because Congress has to be in session
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: to collect these signatures.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Well, so they're afraid of what the documents are going
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to reveal. That's the only conclusion I can draw.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, then there it is.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And I don't care if it's Republicans or Democrats. I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: don't care who's involved. There were women, there were girls,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: there were young people that were molested by this pervert
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and everyone who seemed to have hung around with them.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: You know, this demands justice, and this is why I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: find it so insane that you need to have an
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Epstein-filed Transparency Act, too, even to give standing. Thank you, Blanche,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: for standing in the way of justice being served. Is
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: his name in the documents, perhaps?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know. This is the other thing. I read
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: 14 names on the floor of the House last week
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of men for which I have information, and I can't
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: disclose my source. I'm using myself as the shield. People say, oh, well,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: we saw these names in the Epstein files. This is
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: nothing new. We've heard these names. Yeah, their names are
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: in the phone book, too, okay? But what I'm trying
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: to convey is these people, I believe, are guilty.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I see.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: And I have information beyond what's in the Epstein files
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to make this implication.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Guilt deserves punishment. Criminal justice means equal treatment under the law.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: If I went out and molested a kid, I would
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: imagine the prosecutor would come down on me, and you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: know what? I would deserve it. Looking for justice here.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Congressman Thomas Massey is trying to deliver on it, and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: look at the stonewalling that's going on. Congressman Massey, no
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: wonder you're a lightning rod for controversy, controversy that's, well,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: created by the other side of this argument. You're always
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: welcome on the morning show, Congressman Massey. Hell, you can
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: come on every day if you want, as far as
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I'll miss talking to you when you're gone,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: but hopefully you and I will be able to have
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: more conversations soon.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Where do I send my resume? I need, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: if you don't get enough vacation, sir, what is filling
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: in for you to pay?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Hey, be careful what you ask for. You may find
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: your wish granted easily. Much to the delight of the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: listening audience on the 55KRC Morning Show. Congressman Massey, God
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: bless you, sir. We'll talk again soon, I hope. Take care.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: It's 845 right now at 55KRC Talk Station.