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Street Farbrengen Episode 104 - Chassidus has Everything - Fact or Fiction? · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

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SPEAKER_06: There's an expression that's battered around.
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SPEAKER_06: I think it really comes from the story of Colo the Chauffeur.
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SPEAKER_02: And that is Hasidis has all the answers.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you resonate with that?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've called me on this for bringing throughout the years, you know, ridiculous Balchuva or some expression of form of that.
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SPEAKER_00: And so to continue with that line, yeah, I do believe it does, albeit sometimes in uh hidden ways that need to be extracted.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh I do.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you do you not, Ruvain?
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SPEAKER_06: First of all, whai Hasidisanatura?
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SPEAKER_06: That's number one.
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SPEAKER_06: But the context of how it's used, as I mentioned, it I think it became very upfront public after Call of the Chauffeur.
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SPEAKER_06: And it was a call of defense and offense to save the troops, circle the wagons, and uh defend our position that you don't need anything else other than Jasidis.
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SPEAKER_06: And that's what Call the Chauffeur was.
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SPEAKER_06: It was a psychological self-help group, whether you liked it or not.
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SPEAKER_06: Sure.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: So I find I found that very fascinating.
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SPEAKER_06: Fascinating that there was this rush to almost like um chaotic and emergency like rush to go and say that Hasidis has everything, so don't go to call the shofar.
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SPEAKER_06: And I'm not here to push call the shofar, don't don't uh get me wrong here.
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SPEAKER_06: Where this comes from is where we left off last week.
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SPEAKER_06: We paused our forbring with a question.
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SPEAKER_06: That just like the Rebbe explained, that the safer Torah and Torah Shabbal Peh and the and the oral Torah are waiting for you and I to expand on it because we know according to Hziz, it's Ain's Soph and so forth, we're there to expand on it.
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SPEAKER_06: I asked the question: are we ready to do the same thing for Mashiach and the Rebbe?
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SPEAKER_06: And I'm not talking about Yichi, I'm talking about the idea of and the living with and the whatever else you want to throw into the pot about Mashiach.
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SPEAKER_06: What's a gotta do with this khistris of everything?
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SPEAKER_06: It's because I think the spirit of that statement is the would make the answer no, we're not ready to galvanize and stand up for Mashiach and the Rabba.
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SPEAKER_06: Why?
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SPEAKER_06: Because it's an inane go-nowhere statement that's basically saying, in my opinion, it's basically saying we have it all.
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SPEAKER_06: We are amazing because we have Chasidis.
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SPEAKER_06: So make sure to learn it.
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SPEAKER_06: Make sure to, I don't know, learn Basilagani for the next 30 days, which we are already, for and ahead of Yud Shvat.
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SPEAKER_06: We will um do all the things that we're supposed to do in the name of Hasidizes everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Versus I I don't know if I'm understanding your point.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh are you saying that Hasidis doesn't have everything?
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SPEAKER_06: Are you uh I said the context.
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SPEAKER_06: Let me ask you this.
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SPEAKER_06: Does Toira does Toira have everything?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: So what do you need why is Rebbe saying you need to expand on it?
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SPEAKER_06: It already is perfect, it's fine, it's guns whole.
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SPEAKER_06: That's number one.
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SPEAKER_06: Number two is going to Hasidis.
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SPEAKER_06: Chasidis?
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SPEAKER_06: What do you mean by it has everything?
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SPEAKER_06: What do we mean by that?
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SPEAKER_06: What do you mean by that?
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SPEAKER_06: You said yes.
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SPEAKER_06: It has everything.
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SPEAKER_06: Let's unpack the word everything.
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SPEAKER_06: Does it teach you, I don't know, how to make an ice cream recipe?
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SPEAKER_06: I guess it doesn't have that.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Maybe it does.
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SPEAKER_06: Does it teach you how to make sushi?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it I mean, you're you're mocking it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not mocking you're mocking the the idea of what everything is, so you're right.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's define what everything is.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: But I'll so let's define.
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SPEAKER_06: What do you mean?
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SPEAKER_06: Don't start to defend your position because you have a- You just told me to defend my position.
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SPEAKER_06: No, I want to know what does everything mean.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything means that the source and root of what everything is and can be is brought out in Chasidis.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, you could find everything in it, albeit in Do you think your life right now is together?
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SPEAKER_06: Yes or no?
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SPEAKER_06: I'm not gonna answer that.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh, come on.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, if you're not gonna answer, we all know that the answer is no.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Doesn't chasid doesn't chassiz have everything?
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SPEAKER_06: You're a chassid, you learn chassis every morning for 45 minutes to an hour.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: It has everything.
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SPEAKER_06: How come your life is?
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't say that it's I didn't say it's easy to extract everything.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how I qualified it before.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that it could have everything, albeit that it's still our job to maybe in this case, like you're saying, expand on it or open it up and be able to apply.
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SPEAKER_00: Apply right, okay.
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SPEAKER_06: So you know what?
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think we need to walk around in a circle thinking we have everything.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know who does, but oh yes, they do.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay, whenever there's a let I just did that film, right, last this past year on psychedelics.
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SPEAKER_06: A lot of people think Hasidis doesn't have psychedelics, or if it does, we can't extract it, or there's even better ones.
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SPEAKER_06: Nice Lubavitcher, um, Manhigim who say that they're gonna open up Hasidis by taking the psychedelics.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Um so does Chasidis have everything according to them?
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, it's I I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: You could you could ask them.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what they would answer.
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SPEAKER_06: What would you say to them?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't think that they would need to do psychedelics, so I don't know, I don't understand your question.
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SPEAKER_06: My question is the context in which it's used.
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SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna say it to you like this.
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SPEAKER_06: Does Chasid have everything?
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SPEAKER_06: Fried A Rebbe says a Rebbe who has a Chasid that learns Chasidis and doesn't implement what it says in a voidah, there's no Chasidis and there's no Rebbe.
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SPEAKER_06: If you're gonna tell me Chasid have everything in that context, I'm 100% on board.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think and I don't hear that is the way it's being used.
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SPEAKER_06: It's used as some kind of magical equation that if you learn Chasidis, all of your baggage and crap is gonna get taken care of because Chasidis has everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: New Year's Eve, so you can make like a chalata toiva for your business and look in Chasidis for where it helps you to make more money.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I think I see your point.
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SPEAKER_02: So let me I'm not sure if I agree, but let's uh let's let's open it up a little bit more.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So you're saying a person's life if it's put together if they are learning Hasidus for an hour and their life is put together because they feel like Hasidus does give them meaning, purpose, structure, you know, clarity.
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SPEAKER_06: You make your structure.
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SPEAKER_06: That's my point.
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SPEAKER_06: It's not I've said it a thousand times, it's not pixie dust that comes sprinkling on you, and now your life is magical.
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SPEAKER_06: I got that.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: So what do you mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, you have to do a voida.
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SPEAKER_00: I understand that's always your answer.
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SPEAKER_06: I heard I heard I heard an expression uh a statement from one corner of the internet podcast world.
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SPEAKER_06: And it went something like this that gave the example of a Shliach bringing Yirishkai to his town.
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SPEAKER_06: Let's say he has a balabas who comes into his shoal now, and he's so-called Makar of him.
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SPEAKER_06: So that's one stage, but when you bring him to the Rebbe, that's a whole other world, and that's where he becomes and transitions from a balabas to a chassid.
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SPEAKER_06: Right?
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Famous story with Remendal Futafas, where he spoke about his time in the gulag where he spent time with a bear hunter.
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SPEAKER_06: And they talked about, you know the story?
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SPEAKER_06: He talked about how he hunted bears and they would go the bears would hibernate and he'd send little dogs into the cave to uh nip at the bear, etc., etc.
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SPEAKER_06: And the bear would, in its slumber, just take its paw and hit the hit the hit the dogs, and the dogs come running out, and the and the hunter sends the dogs back in.
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SPEAKER_06: It keeps going back and forth until finally the bear wakes up and says, Who's bothering me?
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SPEAKER_06: And he comes out of the cave and the hunter shoots him between the eyes because he's sleepy.
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SPEAKER_06: And the hunter is the Rebbe, and the dogs are the Schlochem.
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SPEAKER_06: So now, if you ever get mad at a schlit and call him a dog, you have press.
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SPEAKER_06: So um.
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SPEAKER_06: So let's go back to the statement.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, what what was the podcast thing that you heard?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry I just told you.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh, that story is what you're hearing.
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SPEAKER_06: No, I'm telling you the story of he didn't tell the story, but this is the idea of you mac you bring a balabas to Yiddishkai, but it's not that he's gonna become a chosid until he meets the Rebbe.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: And he explained it to me that there's our world and there's the Rebbe's world, which is obviously a true statement in the sense of reality.
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SPEAKER_02: And Chasilis has two parts.
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SPEAKER_06: It has the part that answers all of your questions about life, and the way he and then you have, as he put it, come into my world of Silos and all of these high ideas we're going to be learning by Salah Bagani, La Mailamala and Cates, La Matamatal in Tachlis, or in Soph is infinite, etc.
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SPEAKER_06: etc.
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SPEAKER_06: This is the world that the Rebbe lives in.
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SPEAKER_06: Come into my world.
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SPEAKER_06: And he made the statement: I don't know anyone who became a chassid because Chasidis helped his marriage.
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SPEAKER_06: Right?
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SPEAKER_06: That's what he said.
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SPEAKER_06: So Chasidis says everything.
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SPEAKER_06: So do you can you not go anymore to your therapist because you can learn a mimer?
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SPEAKER_00: I I'm I'm you keep on attacking.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm asking you.
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SPEAKER_00: You're not asking.
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SPEAKER_00: You're attacking because you're but you're still not.
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SPEAKER_00: I we already agree.
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SPEAKER_00: We already agreed, and I understand that yes, it's not only Hasidus, but it's the avoida that you have to do.
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SPEAKER_06: Hasidis doesn't exist without a voida.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: The essence of chasidis is a void.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So does chasidis with a voida have everything in it?
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SPEAKER_00: Is that a more accurate statement for you, Reuven?
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SPEAKER_00: Closer.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, why?
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SPEAKER_06: Because everything now is not dependent on Chasidis is dependent on you.
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SPEAKER_06: Let me ask you a question.
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SPEAKER_06: Does the essence of we've you've learned a little bit of chosid?
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SPEAKER_06: You have a little few pages under your arm, you know, and you're in your in your in your little wearing uh suitcase when you go to work.
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SPEAKER_06: The essence of the nefesh is it koh is it made up of parts and koiches and faculties and powers?
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SPEAKER_06: No.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: Where do all of the powers and faculties come from?
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SPEAKER_06: From the essence.
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SPEAKER_06: So from the essence of Nefish has all of these powers, all of these things that could come out later, but you're telling me it doesn't have any of them.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: It's one of the interesting sugyas of Chasidas, right?
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: So does the essence of your nephesh have everything?
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SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: But you just told me no.
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SPEAKER_06: It has it.
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SPEAKER_06: But it has to be brought out.
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SPEAKER_06: No, you just told me it doesn't have faculties.
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SPEAKER_06: Doesn't Okay, fine.
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, I know it sounds like I'm playing with words.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: But I'm not.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay, what's your point?
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SPEAKER_06: My point is very simple.
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SPEAKER_06: Stop with the bravado that Khassilah says everything, and therefore you think that the Bakram and your yeshiva are gonna get all excited about learning because you're gonna become a chassir of the Rebbe and go into his world.
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SPEAKER_06: I'm not even talking about what does that mean today?
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SPEAKER_06: I know what it means to bring Balabattam to the Rebbe, because I did it for a number of years.
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SPEAKER_06: But today you don't have that.
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SPEAKER_06: And I don't, you're not gonna convince me it's the same as going to the Oyel.
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SPEAKER_06: So I'm not talking about the Balabattam now.
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SPEAKER_06: Let's just talk about us.
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SPEAKER_06: So for you and me, where does let's put let's let's get down to brass tax.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know what that expression means, but let's get down to brass tax.
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SPEAKER_06: Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, chasidis either.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're I don't know if we ever know what we're talking about.
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SPEAKER_06: So what does it mean to you that Chasidis says everything?
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SPEAKER_02: Does it make you feel good?
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SPEAKER_06: When do you use how do you use that expression?
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SPEAKER_00: So so this is this is what I thought I was alluding to, but yes, needed to be more clarified of what does it mean everything, and what does it mean, you know, the fact that you that it does have everything.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I asked you what does it mean to you?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't mean what is everything.
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SPEAKER_00: I got it.
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SPEAKER_00: What does it do for you?
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SPEAKER_00: I got it.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's go to your example that you kind of done tongue in cheek, that doesn't give you uh the perfect uh ice cream recipe.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, you were making that joke before.
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SPEAKER_00: Does it have that?
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, in the minutes uh since uh you made that statement, I'm thinking, you know, okay, so we do have to define it.
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SPEAKER_00: And yes, avoida is going to be a component of bringing you into the picture that has everything and has the ability to bring everything.
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SPEAKER_04: You are going to be the picture to bring the everything into everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I that's what I said, but fine.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's what I thought I said.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: But if your mission, if your purpose in life, if your ability to magal elokus in this world is to be a chef and is to work on seeing Hashem in the world, and your Koch is in cooking, yeah, you're gonna come up with the best recipe possible as a result of it, and that will be brought out through learning, through your implementation of your voidah in wanting to do and be and live the way that a chassid lives as a result of what he learns about in Cassidus.
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SPEAKER_04: I I got that.
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SPEAKER_06: That is the way I know they're not talking about recipes, that is the way this statement gets kicked around.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no, I understand.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not disagreeing with that.
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SPEAKER_00: What I'm saying is, yeah, the the qualification is yeah, you get to learn more about yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: Chasidis opens up let's talk in the I and my please.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot of you know, narratives, and there's a lot of limitations of understanding and beliefs, and knowing what and how and where I should be putting time and effort into, and Hasidis with a voida gives clarity to all those things.
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SPEAKER_00: To then go and do a voida, meaning like you want to attach yourself to the ideas, statements, you know, things that it talks about in Chasidis to be, you know, to I'm I'm avoiding the word inspire you, but you want to be better.
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SPEAKER_00: Hasidis could make you want to be better, and so therefore you're now going to want to do a voida in order to be that better version of yourself that you're now seeing you're lacking in as a result of your of your learning and understanding of Chasidis.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's when it means everything.
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SPEAKER_00: It brings out everything in you.
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SPEAKER_00: Brings out all of your koches.
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SPEAKER_00: That's when it means everything.
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SPEAKER_06: I have no problem with that statement.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think that's what people mean.
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SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what people mean.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm saying when I when I think that it has everything, that's what I mean by it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's you it ha it again, it's not going to give you the the potential.
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SPEAKER_00: particulars in in tools maybe you know and that's one of the big maybe critiques that I've heard and that people have people have mentioned about about Cassidus is like okay how do you implement it so it's like okay well then you have to go to a Mashbia or then you have to go to you know a call the chauffeur or go to a program or something like that in order to ayahuasca well if if that's what they think is gonna what's gonna be the effect but tools I mean to actually implement an avoida meaning meaning Hasidus doesn't tell you well not that's not a hundred percent true but most of Hasidus doesn't tell you how to do a voida it says you should do a voida so how do you do a voida Ruvain Hasidus doesn't tell you how to do a voida it it tells you you should do a voida.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah and in what areas and what effects it should have and what again in a couple of places like Kontrissa Voida and Christessa Tefila it does actually give you practical step by steps but with with few exceptions it talks about you have to refine your Mitos you have to it gives you all of the things that you're supposed to be working towards and on but I don't know how much it tells you how to that's again that was always the role I believe of the Mashpiya right the Mashpiya who already went through it and did his own work.
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SPEAKER_06: Exactly so let's go back to our original last question when we paused our Fabriga are you willing to galvanize we said Mashiach and and Rebbe in the same way that Hasid says everything but you everything doesn't materialize until you do a voidaan okay so are you asking are you willing to do a voida is that what you're saying are you willing to step up and say I am a person who does avoida because I heard strictly from this guy then I don't want to mention who it is that kind of like a vote is off the table it's let's let's talk about Basilagani coming up if you look at the mimer of this week's uh this year's at Basilagani it's all about this very difficult idea of l' myla mila aren't case l'amatamata aren't taklis for years we've been focusing on this Orange Sofa's way behell it's hidden and it's down here at the same time etc etc and that's where as he called it where the ten hidden spheres reside and never mind the ten but infinite amount possible and that's all about come into my world and it's not gonna be self-help he said this is not self-help he wanted to say self-help for your marriage fine but quote unquote nobody became a chassid because chassidis answered the problem to their marriage I'm not even sure if the problem to a marriage but that's a different discussion so do you do you agree with that statement that when you learn the highest of the highest of levels of chasidis it has no relevancy to carry through?
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SPEAKER_00: No I don't agree with that at all.
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SPEAKER_00: So that is the opposite of what Hasidis has everything.
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SPEAKER_00: I know that's why I don't agree with it because I think I mean the the idea the idea that the highest of the high can't come down into the lowest of the low meaning me and my life and not have to just be in the no he's saying you can't he's saying that that's the Rebbe's world yeah yeah so I'm saying if if it can't then what's dirbatak toinum what's what are we doing with any of this the whole point is you're bringing the highest of the high into your life into the world that's what dir bataktoinim is it's the whole thing about the the Alta Rebo when he wrote the letter after he was released from prison to Rebel Viteka Vartychev is even the goim we're able to see and and and it brought out because that's the high that's actually the highest level the highest level is that it actually has the ability to affect the lowest world in this case for this guy yeah you Bemela are we willing to galvanize as you as we've been calling it as everything okay so what do you want to do Ruben?
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SPEAKER_06: What do I want to do?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah what do you want to do with that statement are you ready?
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SPEAKER_06: Oh you mean how do I answer it?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah are you ready to galvanize and are you what are you gonna do?
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know if I can commit in public you already asked me if my life is together I can tell you my life's not together but that's I know I mean also also it's just a ridiculous statement revelation I was just gonna say I was just gonna say like uh what area define ballsy for me to say my life is together and tell everybody listening I'm the one guy who you I can um it's it's you know Yur Shvat is coming up to Kabalus and Malchus right um so they're hand in hand being the irony is or I don't know if the right word is irony is the Kabalas a malchus is are you willing to be the follow through just like the Rebbe is saying come up with a kidish in Torah because Torah is looking to be expanded is looking to come out into the open you're the can opener you're got you've got to do that that's the message of the Swarim with those heytavis the books are talking to you okay are you willing to do that with Rebbe you know it's an interesting idea because now that I'm saying it that it's not what does it mean I th uh how do you understand and how do you feel about the concept of a schliach of the Rebbe is that you represent him correct is that a good way of saying it okay you have a better word no no no it I'm asking you no no uh it in in what context yes that is what in one definition's life are you a represent what does it mean Schlichus to you?
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SPEAKER_06: Yes you represent him okay what we're talking about about galvanizing as I'm putting it right about bringing out the swarm into another kiddish that you come up with is that the Pshat Shlikus Yes Explain rep your representative of the Rebbe is the representative okay here I'll make it very part of the placha I once heard this from Simon Jacobson I interviewed him on a secret podcast TV show that maybe but um and he said that I don't remember which for bringing but he put in the verb to the Rebbe as a edited version to be um okay and the Rebbe brought sent it back and said if I wanted I don't remember the language but basically wanted a recording and a parrot he didn't need to have Simon there in public in the garb of being a shlich or a Bachr talking in shul on schlichis on shabbas etc etc get up and parrot the Rebbe's Sika that's representation but that's not galvanizing an avoid the and follow through like the Rebbe speaking about the books and what would that be in that case that you're describing when he has to go up and say how did you internalize what the Rebbe said and now tell it over not to prove to anybody that you did it not to brag about it but you bring it down into a Dalid Amois down here.
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SPEAKER_06: So the guy who got up and said that you know there's two kinds of levels there's chasidis that answers the problems to your marriage and the chasidis that's the Rebbe's world that he lives in right um so he's saying there's a dichotomy and I don't think there is and that's the difference between being a representative of you know presenting your diplomatic papers and saying over what the Rebbe said or internalizing it as a chasid you're obviously going to say where your end result came from and then you sh you can explain to your audience what happened with you so that now you have galvanized Chasidis into showing that it has everything oof okay I like that actually a lot I like that a lot I mean we said it a bunch of episodes ago but uh for bringing to go but but even uh something we keep on mentioning but it was so well said the difference between cheerleading and and yeah and being a cusset it it really keeps on going back to that and I see it all the time now like do I see somebody who's speaking like you're describing as somebody who's parroting and effectively cheerleading what the Rebbe says or is it somebody who actually does work and internalizes and then gives over and and there's a place for both.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean like I we we keep on putting down the the the the cheerleading side of it but you know again there there's a time and place for just to like understand its greatness in and of itself and also to just know what the words of the Rebbe are and giving it over exact.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: You have to know what the words of the Rebbe are I I'm not I'm saying when you're speaking there's times when you should just give it over exact and then there are times when you should be giving it over with uh you know the internalization being given over you know the Friday Rebba says something that I've been thinking about for a very long time.
31:38
SPEAKER_06: Frida Rebba says that in the beginning this is in the Kuta de Burim in the beginning my moram spoke about a voida and they were and a void was explained with Haskalah with we'll call it philosophy whatever then my father referring to the Rebbe Rashab changed that that my moram spoke about Haskalah ideas and whatever high ideas and avoida was in private audience between Chasar and Rebbe and now says the Frida Rabba and he's saying this in 1927 eight twenty nine he says or maybe a little bit later he says now my Murons speak in Haskalah again in ideas but the avoida is spoken in public now it's a very interesting statement and I don't think I've gotten to the depth of it at all.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think I understand it at all but the Rebbe's saying first of all that the Maimorum spoke about a voida first and a voida was explained in by Haskalah and then went from Haskalah explained privately how does it carry through an avoida how do we touch out avoida?
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SPEAKER_06: Avoida is personal growth I'm gonna use that as a voida okay then a voida personal growth comes out of the mimer which is haskala but in public right statements made in public okay what's the difference so we had two different stages there we had a voida that was private between me and the reb and then we have a voida of coming to let's say a Sikha or a Febregan at the time where something was said at the Febregen and that was your signal for a voida right what's the difference between the experience of the private and the public in c in terms of the lesson that is being given over in a voida the later one is is forcing you to think about how it applies to yourself a lot more instead of being told to you exactly that's where we're today we don't have ychidas I don't care what anyone tells me well there's people who maybe they think when they go to the oil they get ychidas or you know they see the TV at the oil maybe the ribbon talks to them I don't know but he doesn't talk to me as far as I know.
34:49
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
34:50
SPEAKER_06: So isn't that fascinating that a voida even avoida is your personal formation of what a voida is yeah that is very interesting right okay so to go and say that Hasidis is we're gonna take a little glimpse into the world the Rebbe lives in is the complete opposite of what we're saying.
35:27
SPEAKER_06: So I guess I'm registering my disagreement maybe we can invite him onto the podcast I don't want to argue with people.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: But I and I'll shrink and give in either either that or you'll see all my terrible meat ice come out well maybe I want to I could be the no I could be like the mediator in between and calm everybody down and bring it back to the mediator that's what I do past.
35:57
SPEAKER_05: You make money out of that?
35:59
SPEAKER_05: Supposedly supposedly in the in the figment of my imagination in any case we're waxing off board so it's fascinating this idea of so how do you do that?
36:21
SPEAKER_06: How do you put into the hands of hundreds of thousands of people a statement at a verbringen and they have to come up with how that applies to them in a voida now when you think about it most of the rhetoric most of the speeches most of the you test Keslev you test Kislev speakers in front of the microphones are they speaking avoid or haskalah right we've got it upside down and I think the reason is because we've convinced ourselves that we're basically impotent explain what do you mean explain to say that I could take personal I I know you don't like this word agency out of the Haskalah of Chasidis and apply it or as I'm saying galvanize it and bring it out into the open and materialize it in in action and in thought and in accomplishment etc is so foreign to the average guy that he basically says he can't do it he's impotent.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
37:50
SPEAKER_00: So then we've convinced us of that and therefore we will say come into my world and learn about the esospheres of Genusis and that'll make you a chassis of the Rebbe well you know what ironically is do you see that happening with the youngins I don't want to speak I don't know I don't know I want to know what you see I don't know enough young'uns okay you're lying to me now okay do you see that with your peers there are some people who are very you told me you told me before talk about you and me Ruben I don't want to talk about other people I've I I consider myself corrected so what about you?
38:43
SPEAKER_02: You don't it's it's it's a rhetorical question.
38:46
SPEAKER_06: The real core that we're touching on here is you you you the I uh how many of us the average guy who's serious about Hasidis knows they have to do a voida but the average guy doesn't a little bit but ultimately we kind of have our cake and eat it too um and the the the reason I think is twofold one is we don't think we're capable and two it's a chutzpah to think that you are and you know what exp um please um excuse the expression read the tea leaves baby there's no one there who's gonna tell you who's gonna know more what you should do than yourself And because you know yourself the best.
40:03
SPEAKER_06: And that was I think it's safe to say that one of the beautiful differences of the Rebbe of our generation is he gave us so much public yachidis in a voida and we just have to pick up what's on the ground and and eat it and and um internalize it.
40:34
SPEAKER_06: And I think it comes down to do you w the this idea of the nephesh has no uh individual parts, but meanwhile lots of individual parts could be manifest is the idea of Hasidisanovoida, right?
40:56
SPEAKER_06: Okay That's uh a space of being in creation versus the space of reaction.
41:11
SPEAKER_06: The guy who says I'd never met a person who became a chasid because Chasidis gave an answer to his problems in marriage would be that Chasidis is a reaction to Quran.
41:24
SPEAKER_06: You have a problem, Chasidis has the answer for it.
41:29
SPEAKER_02: Right?
41:30
SPEAKER_02: Is that what Chasidis is?
41:34
SPEAKER_06: Or so much more that's not the paradigm that we're explaining in the example of the nephesh has no form, is completely simplistic, but out of it comes an infinite amount of possibilities.
41:51
SPEAKER_06: That's creation, not reaction.
41:55
SPEAKER_06: So where are you as a chasid?
41:59
SPEAKER_06: Are you using Chasidis as a placeholder to Freud, to Carl Jung, to ayahuasca, to um the latest craze, to deep breathing, to all the other things?
42:17
SPEAKER_06: Is that what Hasidis is?
42:19
SPEAKER_06: An answer to your problems?
42:22
SPEAKER_06: Or is it and it could be the answer to your problems, but I'm talking about the role that you play in it.
42:27
SPEAKER_06: Is you're the creator, you are the manifestor of all possibility.
42:33
SPEAKER_02: That changes the game, doesn't it?
42:39
SPEAKER_02: It does.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: And I think the Rebbe showed us that's who he was.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: How so?
42:47
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
42:48
SPEAKER_06: Well, I like to go back to 1951.
42:53
SPEAKER_06: 1951 is about six years after the Holocaust.
42:57
SPEAKER_06: There was no one around of big numbers by the Rebbe.
43:02
SPEAKER_06: Okay, Crown Heights was a Jewish place.
43:04
SPEAKER_06: There were a lot of people who came in and out of 770 that were just neighborhood people, and the Rebbes for Brahmins were small in attendance, uh, not because people didn't go, but because how many chasitim were there and so forth.
43:18
SPEAKER_06: But more importantly, it was still six years after the worst traumatic event the Jews have ever experienced, I think it's safe to say, at least on a maniacal level.
43:32
SPEAKER_06: And the Rebbe gets up and he's talking about Mashiach, and he's talking about God loves you and you're the seventh generation, and on and on and on.
43:41
SPEAKER_06: At the same time, we have the Rebbe saying that I also lost my in letters, I also lost my family in the Holocaust.
43:48
SPEAKER_06: And someone asks him, could the Holocaust happen again like in Europe, happen in America?
43:53
SPEAKER_06: And the Rebbe said, Tomorrow morning.
43:56
SPEAKER_06: So the Rebbe didn't live in the uh in a world of d of imagination.
44:02
SPEAKER_06: But the Rebbe created, he didn't react.
44:06
SPEAKER_06: It was even Reb Nachman of Breslav's whole thing is don't be Bush.
44:13
SPEAKER_06: Giving up and being depressed is like verboten.
44:17
SPEAKER_06: It's forbidden.
44:19
SPEAKER_06: Why?
44:20
SPEAKER_06: Isn't that a normal reaction?
44:22
SPEAKER_06: And the answer is you're a manifester, you're a creator, you're a conduit for infinite possibilities.
44:30
SPEAKER_06: Open up a safer and learn it and bring something new out of it.
44:33
SPEAKER_06: That was the message that Rebba gave.
44:35
SPEAKER_06: And now when it comes to Chasidis has everything, you're right.
44:39
SPEAKER_06: It has nothing and everything depending on what you create with it.
44:45
SPEAKER_06: And it's not a problem solver, and it's not, I don't know, uh, like I said, a placeholder for therapy.
44:53
SPEAKER_06: It's ridiculous.
44:55
SPEAKER_06: And you know what?
44:57
SPEAKER_06: The Rebbe said, go to a doctor if you have a problem.
45:00
SPEAKER_06: You know, it's so interesting to me.
45:03
SPEAKER_06: Someone sent me this week a letter from the Rebbe about LSD.
45:08
SPEAKER_06: It's a famous letter.
45:10
SPEAKER_06: I heard about it, but I never really saw it.
45:13
SPEAKER_06: Right?
45:14
SPEAKER_06: So someone asking the Rebbe what he thinks about LSD in the 1960s.
45:18
SPEAKER_06: Now, everybody quotes that the Rebbe says that he never had experience with LSD.
45:26
SPEAKER_06: He can't speak to it.
45:28
SPEAKER_06: That's not what the Rebbe says.
45:30
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
45:31
SPEAKER_06: So fascinating how we like to turn and twist.
45:35
SPEAKER_06: The Rebbe says, My expertise is not in biochemistry.
45:43
SPEAKER_06: Not in biochemistry.
45:44
SPEAKER_06: And then goes, but I can tell you one thing, this is not the avoid of Ruchniasavayid.
45:52
SPEAKER_06: Why?
45:53
SPEAKER_06: Because everything has to come through your own avoida.
45:57
SPEAKER_06: We are living in a generation, whether you like it or not, it's all up to you.
46:04
SPEAKER_06: No one else is gonna do it.
46:07
SPEAKER_06: Not even your Mishpia.
46:10
SPEAKER_06: Right?
46:11
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
46:11
SPEAKER_06: It's you are you willing to take ownership that you can craft your own personal self-help program, so to speak, out of Khasidis?
46:23
SPEAKER_06: You're gonna play that role?
46:24
SPEAKER_06: Forget about whether you have the talent to do it.
46:27
SPEAKER_06: Am I willing to be in that role?
46:30
SPEAKER_06: I think that's the answer.
46:36
SPEAKER_06: And that's Yu Chat, no?
46:39
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: But I don't want to sound philosophical.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, no, so if you're okay, so bring it down then more.
46:47
SPEAKER_00: Meaning so what do I do?
46:51
SPEAKER_00: How do you do that?
46:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, how do you I mean even get that level of like you were saying, like confidence to even be able to say that yes, I'm going to be able to make up that um learn more Jesus.
47:10
SPEAKER_00: No, it's it's I mean I feel like most people know what areas they need to improve on.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: So that's not the question.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: It's the it's I don't know if that's true.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: I think most people are aware of the problems they have.
47:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm saying take it out of problem and solution.
47:35
SPEAKER_06: The idea of the books are talking to you and they're asking for you to open them up and expand them is not problem solution.
47:46
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
47:48
SPEAKER_06: How to defend against call of the chauffeur is problem and solution.
47:53
SPEAKER_06: How to defend against all the cr junk that's out there in the world is problem and solution.
47:58
SPEAKER_06: And there's no question that we have to deal with the problems of the world.
48:04
SPEAKER_06: But that's not the mahus of Khasan as a Khassan.
48:10
SPEAKER_06: Okay, but go back to the picture of that is you can have an individual like a Vramayor doving or uh dovening for four or five hours, or not even uh or Rabbi Raichik in Los Angeles, Allah Shalom, who doveened five, six hours a day and then went out to do his shlikas, and he was far more successful than a lot of other schlichem.
48:36
SPEAKER_02: That's not a problem and solution when he went out and was reaching out to other Jews.
48:47
SPEAKER_06: But he davened.
48:49
SPEAKER_06: He learned Chasidis and he davan and he incorporated it, and that was the energy that propelled him to do the rest.
48:59
SPEAKER_06: You know, it's like the story with Mandel Futafast, and they asked the guy, I think it was Mandel on the tr on the bus where he said to put on Twillin.
49:06
SPEAKER_06: And the guy said yes, but to somebody in the front of the bus had asked him and he said no.
49:11
SPEAKER_06: So that guy asked asked the guy who put on Twillin.
49:15
SPEAKER_06: How come to me you said no and to to him?
49:18
SPEAKER_06: You said yes.
49:19
SPEAKER_06: He says, You wanted me to do it for yourself.
49:22
SPEAKER_06: He wanted me to do it for me.
49:25
SPEAKER_06: That's not problem and solution.
49:28
SPEAKER_06: Problem and solution is you do it for the for me.
49:31
SPEAKER_06: I want you to put on filling because I have a problem.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: So unless you want to make it more practical to what you do or what I do, or how I should do that.
49:46
SPEAKER_06: Because I think I think he keeps saying more practical.
49:49
SPEAKER_06: You want you uh but you don't want to speak in public about all your injana.
49:53
SPEAKER_02: I think that your first first you have to adopt this paradigm.
50:02
SPEAKER_06: That I'm in the sense I'm the creator of what goes on in my life.
50:08
SPEAKER_06: Chasidis flows through me, chasidis has ideals, chasilis is beyond those ideals, because again, the Kekas and Nefesh come from the Ezvan Nefesh, and I am the the limb of that.
50:22
SPEAKER_06: My willingness to live from that paradigm, from that geometry, if you wish.
50:27
SPEAKER_06: Not forget about I won't have to be able to eat as much cake as I like to.
50:32
SPEAKER_06: I'm not even talking yet there yet.
50:34
SPEAKER_06: Just talking about the actual role.
50:36
SPEAKER_06: Am I a representative of the Rebba or I'm a gal of the Rebbe?
50:44
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
50:45
SPEAKER_06: It's interesting, you know, because in the Kutadabura, which I go to often, the f the Friday Rebbe writes there's four levels of relationship in Chasid and Rebbe.
50:56
SPEAKER_06: Or and Ma'or is that.
50:57
SPEAKER_06: And the last one is Oran Ma'or.
50:59
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
50:59
SPEAKER_06: You're not a representative of.
51:01
SPEAKER_06: Now, how are you gonna say you're you're a or and ma'or, your light and the shiner of light when we know exactly who we are?
51:07
SPEAKER_06: Well, you know what?
51:08
SPEAKER_06: Even the sun has sunspots.
51:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I hear I hear that.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
51:15
SPEAKER_00: Until next time, maybe we'll uh try to implement that uh vision of ourselves and be that creator.