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UK Column News - 28th November 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon, today is Friday the 28th of November.
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It's just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News.
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I'm your host, Brian Garrish, Delighted to have Patrick
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Henningson here with me in the studio.
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Patrick Adsay, it's good to be back in the studio.
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Obviously I've been away for a little couple of weeks, but it's
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always good to be back and falling into the mix.
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So we've got an interesting news today.
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We'll be a little bit shorter because UK column team have got
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some commitments. We're going to focus on the
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Ukrainian peace deal, if such a thing exists.
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We're going to be having a look at the reality on the ground in
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Ukraine. We're going to be taking a look
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into the Chancellor's well, what she's done to save poor families
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and families with children that were receiving no benefits.
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There's a bit more to this than the mainstream media been
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talking about. And we're also going to be
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having a look at Palestine action and how this has been
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treated through the judicial system.
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So, well Patrick, let's get started with, of course, we've
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got the whole of the political classes in Europe and the States
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clamouring for peace or not. Well, they, they want peace, but
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people can't seem to agree on the terms of that peace, Brian.
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That's the problem. Everybody's got their own
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agenda. But let's bring this up on
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screen right now. So where are we, Brian, with
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Trump's Russia, Ukraine, so called peace deal?
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Where are we with this? Well, last week, end of last
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week, beginning of this week, we thought we were getting
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somewhere. Many people did.
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But unfortunately, the whole thing has fallen into disarray,
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predictably, in my opinion anyway.
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But we'll talk about that in a minute.
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O there was a leaked phone call here of Witkoff coaching the
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Russians of how to stroke Trump's ego.
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The question is, who leaked this phone call?
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This is an open question still, Brian.
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I think maybe an intelligence service might be involved in
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this. So that's created a huge rift.
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And we find out that this is a great article by Daniel McAdams
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at the Ron Paul Institute. Marco Rubio seems to have
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sabotaged this when he made his trip to Geneva.
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And as Daniel McAdams says here with regards to neocons, lie
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down with dogs, you with fleas, lie down with neocons, you wake
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up with wars, says Daniel McAdams.
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So a great statement there. So, but the, the main thing
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that's causing the problems will bring this back here is that
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this is how the Europeans and the British are characterising
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this deal, Trump's deal that got prematurely leaked as well last
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week, how Trump's peace plan for Ukraine has been entirely
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dictated by Putin. This isn't exactly a good deal
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for Russia, Brian, when you look at the terms, because they're
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having to make all these concessions.
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And tell me, Brian, in the history of warfare, I know you
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studied military history fairly well.
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Where has there ever been a conflict where the side who's
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winning has to pause and start giving up concessions to keep
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the losing party happy? Can you can you give me?
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An example unique situation, Patrick, of course, yeah.
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It's I, I don't know, I've never heard of such a thing.
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But, you know, everybody wants a participation trophy in Europe
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for this proxy war. And certainly Ukraine's
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Zelensky's expecting participation trophy.
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Here's Keir Starmer in the House of Commons just this week.
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This is his position on the matter.
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Let's listen. And Mr Speaker, we should not
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forget that Putin's aggression, his illegal actions and his
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total disregard for human life has taken a huge toll on his own
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people. Thousands of Russian soldiers
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are killed every single day. 100,000 have been killed
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attacking Donets. In total, more than 1,000,000
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Russians have been killed or injured.
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All. Because of the depraved
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ambitions of one man. So, Mr Speaker, we say again,
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this country will never falter in our support for the Ukrainian
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people. We will maintain a unity of
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purpose with our allies, and we will focus on delivering the
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calm, serious leadership that is needed to advance a just and
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lasting peace for Ukraine, for Ukraine, and indeed for the
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whole of Europe. I got to say here, Patrick, he's
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struggling to me. He slipped up on the name
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Ukraine twice there. He's under a huge amount of
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pressure as this lot starts to, well, it's not fall apart, it's
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being ripped apart. And Keir Starmer is a puppet in
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the system that's doing this that.
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That's my take on that speech, because I've actually seen him
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say those words before. Desperation is the word that
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came to mind when I heard that, Brian.
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And he's saying Russia's lost a million people or a million
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killed and injured 1000 per day or something like that.
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And where are these numbers coming from?
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But he's basing his whole moral argument that Britain and Europe
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are in the right based on these questionable, highly
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questionable casualty numbers. Brian, that's the problem.
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It, it is quite extraordinary because of course the West
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Ukraine is not doing it, the US isn't doing it yet European
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Union, NATO is not talking about the Ukrainian casualties.
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But as we've covered on the UK column many times while this
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conflict has been running, the facts on the ground are that the
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death ratio is about 3 to 3 Ukrainians for every, every
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Russian. And that has been increasing as
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this war goes on because of course the Russians are using
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all these stand off weapons. So they're not engaging on the
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ground to the extent that the West is trying to make out.
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And certainly there's no human waves of Russian soldiers what's
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happening on the battlefield. All the Russians are doing
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extremely clever in small numbers of men, being used to
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take really quite significant areas of ground and yeah, some
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extraordinary warfare. We'll look at those military
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details coming up in a minute. Brian, you're going to share
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some important data with us, but here is the opposition, Brian,
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Here is His Majesty's loyal opposition, Kimmy Betanok from
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the Tories. Listen closely.
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Conservatives are clear that the blanket surrender of Ukrainian
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territory would mean rewarding Putin's unprovoked aggression.
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What is the government's position on reports that
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Ukraine's territorial integrity is on the table?
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Because if Putin is seen to emerge stronger from these
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negotiations, all our potential adversaries will be emboldened,
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being no doubt Mr Speaker, the axis of authoritarian states is
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collaborating to destabilise the West, aided by China, with Iran
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providing weapons and North Korea providing troops for
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Putin. It is precisely For these
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reasons that the government must continue to work extremely
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closely with the US and to understand their objectives.
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Parties like the Lib Dems and the Greens who are encouraging
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us to decouple from the US are putting their anti American
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prejudice above national security.
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Wow. All I can say is well, Brian.
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I think that's all you can say. Unprovoked, of course.
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The West had nothing to do with destabilising Ukraine and the
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overthrow of the government and the promotion of the right wing
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extremists, which of course caused the problems.
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She doesn't want to go into that and the idea that the West is
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authoritarian. Sorry, the West is the key
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states controlling peace and justice in the world.
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I mean, this is obscene and. The and the idea that North
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Korea is somehow propping up Russia in this and and what is
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this Brian Axis of authoritarian.
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State that was the phrase. Sorry that just slipped my mind,
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but that was what I was trying to refer to.
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Is that a new term that they're introducing into the lexicon?
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I think so. You've got to control the
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language if you're going to control what people think.
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Very interesting. So yeah, pretty amazing.
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Well, I, I want to really focus on the fact that as this
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conflict has gone on, the UK government has specialised in
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propaganda. This has been done through the
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British Ministry of Defence, but also Defence HQ, which is the X
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the Twitter account. But what's interesting is that
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as the situation in Ukraine gets worse, as the Ukrainian defence
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collapses, so we've got increasing silence.
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So I've picked up on one of the usual maps from Defence
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Intelligence, but they simply have got the map as an image.
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And what we don't see is any comment.
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And yet we should see comment because on the ground, the
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Russians have taken the strategic, the highly strategic
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towns of Prokofsk and Kopiensk, and they are targeting Liebman
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next. And what's the significance of
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these towns? These are all towns that control
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the logistics routes to the front.
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So once these towns are taken out, the Ukrainians cannot bring
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up the munitions and other equipment that their team teams
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need on the ground. And therefore the Russians
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continue to move forward. One of the reasons that the
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Russians can do this is by their overwhelming superiority and
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stand off weapons. But we'll have a little look at
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that in just a moment. So what?
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What does the propaganda arm of the Ministry of Defence do?
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Well, one minute it's showing a bland map of Ukraine as if
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nothing's happening. And the next minute that's
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coming up is that we're putting out tweets.
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I prefer to say tweets than XS where we're actually claiming
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that we're doing something phenomenal for the country
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because apparently we've created 560 jobs.
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Can you imagine that, Patrick? This is turning the economy of
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UK. This is another Defence project,
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this one, if I'm correct, is with a laser.
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And we've created 560 jobs and 30 apprenticeships across the
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country, including Scotland. And alongside that we've got
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Defence HQ boasting and that Britain is partaking in an
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international competition for war gaming, electronic war
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gaming. So never mind controlling
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drones, we're now getting lost in what is reality and what's
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not reality. But we haven't got the armed
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forces to take on the Russians. But not to worry, we're pretty
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good at playing games now if you want to see how bad it's got,
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and I'm going to say this takes some watching because we've got
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the Defence Secretary John Healey and foreign secondary
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Yvette Cooper. They are on the flight deck of
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the carrier, aircraft carrier Prince of Wales making a phone
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call. Have a listen to have a listen
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to this and a look at the people who are controlling the defence
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of this country. Let's watch.
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Mark. Mark.
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How are you? We're calling you from the deck
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of the Prince of Wales in the Bay of Naples.
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Very good to see you. Listen, this is a big day for UK
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defence, for NATO, for European security, Mark.
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Yeah, look, we came into government with an unshakable
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commitment to NATO, and this is what we meant.
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And you and I know that threats are rising against NATO and NATO
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nations, and that's why we're doubling down.
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And today we devote and put this in your command.
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This, this hugely important moment for us.
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This is the embodiment. We've seen the phenomenal work
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that the Carrier Strike Group has been doing, the
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interoperability, the partnerships that have been
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built up. And this is our commitment to
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NATO because we know we are stronger when we stand together
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than when we are stand divided. This is our commitment.
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These partnerships are what make us stronger at home.
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And this, after nearly eight months Mark, is mission ready.
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This is what we mean in the UK when we say NATO first.
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Can I say that I'm extremely proud of the ELR United League
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and it's defence minister, it's defence secretary and foreign
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secretary really, but you're down here with the British
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military is is staggering. And then it's now indeed, as you
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said, mission ready. It basically affects your time
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spent and that also the F35 S are now all the shipments, all
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its unique capabilities and in the sense that in Falcon Strike
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you've already been participating.
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You've been commanding it in Falcon Strike up to this point.
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It's about to join you for Neptune Strike on its way back
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to the UK. But look, this is a big day
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today. But we push on from here and
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next time this carrier does a big deployment like this, we'll
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have not just jets, but we'll have drones flying off the deck
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and we'll have ships alongside, but also we'll have uncrewed
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vessels alongside as well because we're going to innovate
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for the future and keep us ahead of our adversaries.
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Well, I'm not sure how our audience has taken that, but I
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found that extremely painful to watch.
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To call it childish is an insult to to children, but it's
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puerile. It's propaganda, utterly
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pathetic standing on the deck of a carrier and saying we're ready
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to go, we're working with it, we've got all the equipment.
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And then casually saying well actually we haven't got all the
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equipment, but in the future we will have the drones, we will
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have the autonomous vessels to operate with this carrier.
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And of course, if the carrier was capable of doing it's job,
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it would be in the Eastern Mediterranean providing some
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sort of support function for the Ukrainians.
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But that's not what it's doing. And the reason I would suggest
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it's not doing that is because it's absolutely known how
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vulnerable these sorts of ships are, aircraft carriers to the
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latest Russian systems in particular.
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And I'll just end, Patrick, by saying, although my experiences
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of many years ago, these types of large NATO exercises were
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very, very simplistic, just basic functionality of getting
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ships together. These were not about in depth
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conduct warfare. So the training in in this case
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would have been very low key coupled with a lot of
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socialising, port visits, glad handing, meeting the diplomatic
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missions. This is not about real warfare,
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so this is pure propaganda. And of course 1 solitary cat
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carrier is not going to change anything too much.
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Pretty obsolete these days, isn't it I?
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I think there's a lot of questions to be asked about the
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significance of these ships and you know, in comparison to the
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US carriers that have got aircraft to provide real
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surveillance of very long range to protect the ship, UK carriers
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do not have this ability. So there's a lot to be talked
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about there. But if that's what the Secretary
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is up to, well of course what UK is very proud of is that whilst
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all this war mongering is going on, we're boasting that we've
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got 8282 thousand young military cadets ready for service in the
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military industrial complex. Now what these youngsters are
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not going to be told about is what real warfare is about.
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So let's just come back to statements that have come out of
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the recent visit to Ukraine by U.S.
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Army Secretary Dan Driscoll. There's been a number of reports
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on the visit by his party and he said some pretty amazing and
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damning things. So let's have a look at some of
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these reports. Basically, the Ukrainians were
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told that Ukraine is at a disadvantage right now. the
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United States and NATO have a limited ability to reverse the
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battlefield disadvantage that the Ukrainians have.
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And the current course is quite not sustainable.
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And so they're going to have to be tough concessions.
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And This is why the Americans, in my opinion, Patrick, is so
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desperate to get these peace plans in.
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This is to try and protect the Ukrainians.
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It's nothing to do with appeasing the Russians.
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So if that was one report, if we come here over to NBC and what
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we've got is U.S. Army secretary warning Ukraine
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of imminent defeat while pushing an initial peace plan.
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But look at this. The Russians are ramping up the
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scale and pace of their aerial attacks and they have the
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ability to, quote, fight on indefinitely, unquote.
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The situation for Ukraine would only get worse over time and
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it'd be better to negotiate a peace settlement now rather than
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end up in an even weaker position in the future.
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So the Americans here, Patrick, absolutely telling it as it is.
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So Driscoll's known, I believe, as the babyface killer.
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He's Trump's drone expert. But in this case, he's being
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used to absolutely tell the Ukrainians the reality of what's
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on the ground. And he's replacing Kellogg, who
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was a a disaster in many people's opinion.
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Indeed, yeah. So it's a good to hear at least
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to get these realistic takes on the record.
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And I think that's really personally, I think it's
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positive. Indeed.
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So just finish this off because there were more hard words said,
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more bad news. the US delegation also said that America's defence
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industry could not keep supplying Ukraine with weapons
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and air defences at the rate needed to protect the country's
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infrastructure and population. Think about this.
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American defence industry. Massive, but it can't do the
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job. Now.
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What's the real meaning of what what he said, what Driscoll
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said, Let's put it on screen here.
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What it means is that the Russians are destroying US and
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NATO equipment on the battlefield faster than the US
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and NATO can produce it. And this, this is truly
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outstanding because although the Russian parts of the Russian
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economy are mobilised, Russia as a country is not fully military
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militarily mobilised at the moment.
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And yet it's out producing the US and NATO.
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Now what's doing the real damage on the battlefields?
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This is just a a little bit of film clip here, which we'll run
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through and I'll talk you through.
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But this is showing the effect of very large long range.
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These are air dropped bombs that that the Russians are using,
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controlled and gliding in to be very accurate in their
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targeting. But if we look at some of this
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video, you can see the size of these weapons being used. 500
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kilogrammes, 1500 kilogrammes, 3000 kilogrammes.
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Wherever the Ukrainians are concentrating forces, the
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Russians are simply destroying hundreds of men at one go with
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equipment in the background. That was an explosion on the
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energy infrastructure of Ukraine.
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And then of course, we've got the destruction of bridges.
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And other logistics. Meanwhile, in Perkovsk, as one
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example, we've got the surrender of very large numbers of
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Ukrainians. And essentially across Ukraine
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at the moment, we've got huge numbers of Ukrainian forces
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deserting because they realise that the fight is over, they are
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simply going to die at the front.
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And meanwhile we've got a British Prime Minister in the
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House. They're saying, well, of course
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it's only the Russians that are dying.
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It's Patrick. The hypocrisy is horrific.
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If it's not going to be settled at the negotiation table, Brian,
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well, Russia's quite happy to settle it on the battlefield.
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Here's a President Vladimir Putin.
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We'll bring him up on screen right now.
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And this is what he has to say, Brian, on this matter here.
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Either Kiev's leadership lacks the objective reporting about
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the developments on the front. He's talking about the true
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state of affairs. Even if they receive such
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information, they're unable to assess it objectively like our
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government, Brian. If Kiev refuses to discuss
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President Trump's proposals and declines to engage in dialogue,
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then both they and their European instigators must
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understand that what happened in Kubiensk will eventually occur
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in other key areas of the front. And he goes on to conclude here.
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And overall, this development suits us, suits Russia as it
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leads to achieving the goals of the special military operation
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by force through armed confrontation.
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And they, he said, we don't care how long it takes.
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That's what he said. Absolutely.
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So the the people who are ultimately suffering while
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Russians are being killed, this is true, But the people who are
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ultimately suffering are the Ukrainians who've been utterly
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betrayed by the West and the likes of of Boris Johnson that's
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made sure that this conflict has not only started but has
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continued. They're the losers.
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The Ukrainians have the losers. So who's the beneficiaries?
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Well, industrial military complex, the money man who's
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making the profit on the, the weapons sales, etcetera.
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And Russia will ultimately benefit from no negotiated
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settlement at this moment, won't they?
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Indeed, they'll continue their agenda, which is to move forward
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and secure the the Russian speaking regions which they want
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to protect. And and to provide a buffer
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against the Eastwood expansion of NATO.
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A lot more to talk about it we. Should be we should be advising
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the government Brian with some some sober advice.
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Well, we could. We couldn't do worse, I don't
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think. Let's move on to something a
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little bit closer to home. And I picked up on the fact that
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a lot of the mainstream media, the newspapers making big out of
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the budget and the fact that, of course, we're helping poorer
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families now. This is what Chancellor Reeves
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had to. Reeves had to say.
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She said the biggest barrier to equal opportunity is child
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poverty and she's abolished the two child limit for Universal
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Credit and tax credit and this is going to cost the country a
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cool £3 billion. So it sounds good.
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This is all about alleviating child poverty, huge amounts of
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money, 3 billion small in comparison to what's been given
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away to Ukrainian for Ukraine, for arms, etcetera.
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But is this story true in the way that the Labour government
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are trying to sell it? And I'm going to suggest not.
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Let's have a little look at ABBC clip here, interviewing a lady
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about being on the poverty line and in trouble in with regard to
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child child credits. I was in a long term
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relationship for four years and my ex partner didn't want to
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have the baby so we split and he has nothing to do with her.
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So I find myself on my own affected by benefit cap because
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I already have two children. Because the baby was born after
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April 2017, I don't actually receive any money for her, which
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means childcare really is unaffordable for me.
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So unfortunately it doesn't look like I'll be returning to work,
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which I really would like to because she really like my job
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on maternity pay. My wages have already gone down.
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It's a bit of a poverty trap because there's nothing I can do
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about it. You know, if I can't afford to
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return to work, I can't avoid being on Universal Credit and
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struggling with less money. So it's a bit of a lose, lose
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situation. People want to work, I want to
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work. I want to show my children that
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you work in life to get the things that you want.
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I don't want to sit at home. I'm just receiving money for
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Children. What I would like is the help
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and the support to be able to provide for them myself.
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So really, it comes down to childcare.
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So Patrick, I'm not sure what you picked up on that, but I, I
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found this clip really interesting because it's what's
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unsaid, which I think is the is the important thing.
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The lady is obviously in a difficult position.
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She got she got the third child coming and that's the extra
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child over the previous cap, which Reeves has now dealt with.
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But she says very quietly that her partner didn't want to have
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the baby. What did that mean?
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Did did that mean that her partner knew if they'd already
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got two children, possibly that's by another man, that that
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third child was a child that they actually couldn't afford.
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The BBC doesn't ask that very delicate but significant
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question. And then she calmly says to the
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camera, well, I, I, I, I want to work, but what I need is support
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so that I can work in the way I want to.
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So in order to work, I need this support.
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And I need this support because I have three children to which I
26:01
say, looking straight at the audience, well, where did these
26:05
children come from? And I just feel there's quite a
26:09
lot of questions to ask here because at the end of the day,
26:12
this is not a a small problem that that that's going on.
26:15
It's a multi billion pound problem.
26:17
But the government doesn't want to talk about why this is
26:20
happening. Now, interestingly enough, if
26:22
you try and dig into the statistics, it was only
26:25
recently, earlier in this summer, I think it was June,
26:29
that the government decided it was going to release figures
26:32
about some of these very needy families.
26:35
But one of the sources that I found had got a good overview of
26:40
what was happening was an organisation called End Poverty.
26:44
I'm going to take them at face value.
26:46
So here is a here is a statement from their website, the two
26:50
child limit, understanding the data from the Department for
26:54
Work and Pensions. And why are they saying that?
26:56
Because as they point out here, the data on the number of
26:59
children impacted by the two child limit in each W
27:03
Westminster constituency alongside the data for work and
27:08
pensions data was released in the summer of 2025.
27:12
What they're getting at is up until the summer of this year,
27:16
there was no clear data on how many of these families there
27:21
were and what benefits the parents or the mothers fathers
27:26
were on. It was all very clouded but you
27:29
had significant numbers of children, over five, 450,000
27:34
children caught up in what the government described as a
27:38
poverty trap. Difficult to read on that page.
27:43
If we just put that one back up on screen, there's a statement
27:46
by Rosie, a mother to three children, interesting, Another
27:50
three children. She says the youngest was born
27:53
in May 2017. So what?
27:55
We were the first family to be hit by the two child limit.
27:59
I had to put my 3 month old son into childcare so I could go and
28:02
wash pots. What she's describing is exactly
28:06
the poverty trap trap that the BBC lady, which we've just seen
28:12
on screen, was talking about. Now if we get into numbers, this
28:16
is part of the statistics. I've simply downloaded one page
28:20
so that viewers can see it and we've got constituencies and
28:24
then we've got the number of children in each constituency
28:27
affected. So at the top, it's quite big
28:30
numbers, nearly 11,000, whereas we come down to, we'll say, some
28:34
of the wealthier constituencies, we're down to 4580 children.
28:41
And that gives an overall total there of about 450,000, although
28:47
the financial time says 470,000. So there's huge uncertainty
28:53
about the number of children, the circumstances of the parents
28:57
and how much money's changing hands.
28:59
And just to reinforce this, I decided to just go and have a
29:03
play with ChatGPT GPT to see what it had to say.
29:08
And the first thing it tells you is how difficult it is to
29:12
penetrate the statistics. And if I give the second one
29:15
here, it eventually comes up with an estimate and it says
29:19
that roughly 1.2 to 1.4 million single mother households in the
29:25
UK are likely receiving income related benefits.
29:28
And I'd like to say to the audience, wouldn't it be a good
29:31
idea for the government to ask how this situation had arisen
29:36
and whether there's a better way of dealing with the fact that
29:39
we've got so many children being born into poverty?
29:43
So there's some real questions there.
29:45
We'll deal a bit more on this in extra in extra time, but
29:50
fascinating that the real statistics and questions don't
29:53
come out in what the Chancellor said the.
29:55
Thing that strikes me, Brian, just briefly before we go to
29:58
ads, the two child limit sounds a lot like another country that
30:01
used to have a child limit. Is it de jure or is it de facto?
30:06
That's the question. Well, we, we can have a
30:08
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32:20
Now, Patrick, the other subject we said we'd cover in the news
32:24
today was Palestine Action. And I think you've got some
32:29
really interesting and troubling material here about what's
32:33
happening around this event. If people are thinking, oh this
32:36
is just to do with Palestine, don't really need to pay
32:39
attention. You need to pay attention
32:41
because this is to do with justice and freedoms in a way
32:46
that probably we've never seen before, I think.
32:49
And, and the future of jury trials, the viability of jury
32:53
trials in the UK. So here we'll bring this up on
32:55
screen. Now we have the judicial review
32:58
this week, Brian, on the issue of Palestine action being
33:02
prescribed as a terrorist organisation here.
33:06
So there's been a disturbing update on this earlier in the
33:10
week. And this is the main focus of
33:12
what we're going to talk about here.
33:13
And we're going to have a guest on the moment Basil Valentine
33:16
going to join us A short but this is the disturbing update
33:20
here, Brian. A review judge was has been
33:23
pulled from the bench from the Palestine action hearing in the
33:27
last hour. And according to Jonathan Cook
33:29
and others here at this is a patent stitch up.
33:32
What are we looking at? Well, the High Court judge who
33:34
granted the legal challenge originally to the government's
33:37
decision to prescribe Palestine action as a terrorist
33:40
organisation. For the first time in British
33:42
history, a civil disobedience organisation has been declared a
33:45
terrorist Group, One now treated as on par with al Qaeda.
33:49
That Judge Brian has been removed at the last minute.
33:53
And so the judicial review hearing was due to start on
33:57
Wednesday without Justice Martin Chamberlain.
34:00
He was replaced with a three, a panel of three new judges.
34:05
And here we're going to bring on, we'll show this right now,
34:09
Matt Kennard's talking about the connections of the new judge.
34:13
But before we get into this, bring on, I want to bring on
34:15
Basil Valentine here. He's a political commentators
34:18
joined us previously on this very subject on the UK column
34:22
Basil Valentine welcome to the UK column news.
34:25
Good afternoon, gentlemen. Great to be with you.
34:28
It's great to be with you as well, Basil.
34:30
Tell us what you know about the current state this week for the
34:34
judicial review. This is a very important
34:37
precedent potentially for for everybody, as we said earlier.
34:41
And what, what have you, what, what do we need to know about
34:44
what's happening so far this week, Basil?
34:47
Well, it started yesterday. That was the first day of
34:50
submissions by barristers representing both Palestine
34:55
Action and also, of course, the government.
34:57
But as you pointed out, there was a last minute switcheroo,
35:00
Patrick, and Mr Justice Chamberlain was removed from the
35:05
bench. He had previously been slated to
35:09
hear the judicial review and decide on it on his own, and his
35:14
findings were due to be reported before Christmas.
35:17
At the last minute, he was removed and replaced by a panel
35:21
of three. Sir Jonathan Swift is one of
35:24
those now sitting in judgement. He has previously been the
35:28
government's own lawyer. He acted as a barrister on
35:32
behalf of the government, on behalf of the Departments of
35:35
Defence, the Home Office and the Foreign Office, amongst others.
35:39
That was before he was elevated to the judiciary.
35:44
Judge Karen Steen is another one.
35:46
She ruled earlier in the summer that the export of parts of the
35:51
F35 jets manufactured in Britain, their export to Israel
35:57
was in fact legal following a challenge in spite of the fact
36:03
that they may be used to commit war crimes and other crimes
36:06
against humanity. And then the third member of the
36:08
panel is Judge Victoria Sharp. Now her twin brother Richard
36:13
Sharp is the former chairman of the BBC who was forced to
36:17
resign, if you remember, after it was revealed that he
36:21
organised an £800,000 loan for Boris Johnson and he was needing
36:28
well, I mean, he's known to be a pro Israel.
36:31
He's linked to Trevor Chinn, who's donated to both Labour and
36:36
Conservative Friends of Israel, is a senior figure in the Israel
36:40
lobby group Bicom, which Palestine Action has targeted in
36:44
the past. And he also provided 50,000 lbs
36:47
towards Keir Starmer's campaign to become Labour leader in 2020.
36:52
Last year, Trevor Chin received the Israeli Presidential Medal
36:55
of Honour for his services to Israel.
36:58
So, you know, all these are decidedly establishment figures
37:03
now. They're of course they're
37:04
supposed to be fair minded and will consider the matter on its
37:10
evidence. But chillingly, when the
37:15
Department of Justice was approached for comment as to why
37:19
this has happened, journalists were referred to the Public
37:23
Relations Department, who then said they had no comment.
37:28
That's extraordinary on itself. And also I want to point out
37:32
that Justice Jonathan Swift again denied Julian Assange his
37:36
extradition appeal. So he has an interesting
37:39
pedigree, these new judges. But let's take a look.
37:41
We'll bring this back up on screen here.
37:43
And a hat tip to Matt Kennard, fantastic British journalist who
37:47
outlined a lot of these details. But just to review, Brian, let's
37:50
look at how this unfolded here. The original judge, there he is,
37:54
that is Sir Martin Chamberlain and he at the last minute has
37:58
been replaced by the way, here. In July he granted Hooda a Mori
38:04
founder, Palestine Action permission to take the
38:06
government to judicial review over the prescription of
38:10
Palestine Action. And then Chamberlain was
38:12
previously pulled on the same legal challenge of the UK sale
38:16
of F35 parts to Israel. Coincidence or not, I don't
38:20
think so. And so here are the new judges.
38:23
Let's take a look, Dame Victoria Sharp, Sir Jonathan Swift and
38:27
Justice Karen Stein. And let's take a look at the
38:30
connection specifically between Victoria Sharp and the
38:35
interested parties here. Let's take a closer look at
38:38
that. And again, this is her twin
38:40
brother, as Basil said, Richard Sharp, former BBC Chairman there
38:45
and his connection to this gentleman, Sir Trevor Chin and
38:50
appoint appointed Trevor Chen. Sharp appointed Trevor Chen is
38:54
director of 1,000,000 Mentors. This is a NGO on July 10th, a
38:59
week after Palestine Action was prescribed as a terrorist group.
39:02
Interesting. And then as Basil said, Chen
39:05
donated to Labour and Conservative Friends of Israel
39:09
and is a senior figure in the Israeli lobby group Bicom, which
39:12
Palestine Action has been targeted by here.
39:16
And he also provided 50,000 towards Keir Starmer's campaign
39:20
to become Labour leader. And last year he received the
39:22
Israeli Presidential Medal of Honour for his services to the
39:26
State of Israel. So the connections, Brian, do
39:29
indicate a conflict of interest more than potential bias here.
39:35
I think that should be something for people to be concerned
39:38
about. You'd think the press would be
39:40
all over this, but yet we haven't seen anything.
39:42
Yeah, one of points are absolutely right, conflict of
39:45
interest and a lot of questions to be asked and we need to
39:48
answer those questions. If the brass and media are not
39:50
going to do it, UK columns going to do it.
39:53
But have have we got a justice system if people can simply be
39:58
pulled off put put on panels or pulled off in order to
40:02
presumably get the government's outcome?
40:05
And is the government's outcome even determined by the
40:07
government or by the lobbyists connected?
40:12
Is this is a a pretty vile system going on here?
40:16
One question that came to me is. As as Barrett Basil was talking
40:20
and you've been talking, Patrick is who actually made the
40:23
decision to pull the judge and replace it with a panel of
40:27
three, because that would take you even further into this
40:30
little interesting network. Yeah, and it goes deeper than
40:34
that. I I will, I will say Brian, that
40:35
I just found out before the programme that Co founder of a
40:40
million mentors, Roshannara Ali, who is the Labour minister for
40:45
homeless, homelessness and democracy, she also voted to
40:50
prescribe Palestine action as a terrorist group.
40:52
Yeah, so. You say that for.
40:56
Homelessness. Homelessness and democracy.
40:58
Under Secretary for. Homelessness.
41:00
It's the right sort of democracy.
41:03
I mean, so the the more of these ties, more of these conflicts of
41:06
interest and tied to the the Israeli lobby effectively and
41:10
said so again, it's just going to affect everybody.
41:13
They're using the Palestine action as a beta test for mass
41:18
indictments without juries basically.
41:20
And they already they've already done that previously reported on
41:23
this programme how that's happening.
41:25
So this is this does affect everybody, Brian, everybody in
41:28
the country and their children's futures in terms of due process.
41:32
It's all baked into this story here.
41:35
But, and I want to get Basils comment on this here.
41:38
We'll bring this up on screen here.
41:40
Starmer and this is from October, but this is now coming
41:43
into play now this month Starmer orders mandatory anti semitism
41:47
training for all NHS staff, all 2 million NHS staff.
41:52
How much is that going to cost? And the reason is here is the
41:56
impetus for this NHS doctor suspended over alleged anti
42:01
Semitic social media posts. And Basil Valentine, I want to
42:05
bring you back. So doctor, Doctor Ramey Aladwan,
42:11
she has been targeted. She's now suspended as of this
42:14
week. And then now you have this anti
42:17
semitism training coming in for the NHS.
42:21
Shouldn't that money be spent on healthcare?
42:23
Basel, go ahead. Well it's absolutely
42:28
unprecedented stuff really. The government's own websites
42:33
published, as you said last month, says following recent
42:36
incidents, and I'm quoting directly of anti semitism from
42:40
doctors, but of course it doesn't specify exactly what
42:43
these incidents of anti semitism from doctors are.
42:46
I can tell you what they are. It's any display of solidarity
42:50
with the people of Palestine while they're being genocided.
42:54
You know, it could be something as innocuous as a watermelon
42:57
badge or something like that. And there's going to be a
43:01
complete moratorium on that. Then you know all NHS staff are
43:05
going to be completely forbidden from displaying anything that
43:09
might identify them with support for the slaughtered of
43:14
Palestine. And they're instituting this so
43:18
called anti semitism training. And of course seeking to force
43:22
NHS England across the board to accept the widely discredited
43:26
IHRA definition of anti semitism, which includes amongst
43:32
other things, singling out Israel for criticism.
43:34
Well the ICC and the ICJ have singled out Israel on genocide
43:40
charges and of course this will directly cut across Professor
43:46
Miller's case. Because if Professor Miller wins
43:48
his case in the employment tribunal that anti Zionist
43:53
beliefs are worthy of respect in a democracy, as indeed they are,
43:59
then it's going to be very difficult for the government to
44:01
force the IHRA definition, which of course equates anti Semitism
44:05
with anti Zionism. You know, you know, more
44:09
broadly, just this week there was an anti Zionist Jewish
44:13
protest outside a synagogue, exclusively Jewish protest
44:17
outside a synagogue in London. But the government authorities,
44:22
media to a very large extent, largely refused to recognise the
44:27
very existence of a Jewish anti Zionist that, you know, creates
44:32
A cognitive dissonance. Well, actually, I mean, I, I
44:34
think it's very deliberate. It's just decided to ignore them
44:37
and lump all Jewish people in with Zionism, which is itself
44:42
anti Semitic. That's the ironic.
44:43
But before I I go, I just want to add quickly about another
44:47
aspect of the Palestine action case, which is, you know, double
44:51
S down on the on the scariness of it really.
44:54
And that's that at some point in the trial, this was announced
44:57
yesterday, Huda Amari for Palestine Action and indeed her
45:02
entire legal team will be asked to leave the court under what's
45:07
called a closed material procedure.
45:10
And the government barristers will then present evidence to
45:15
the judges of which Palestine Action and it's Legals team are
45:20
not permitted to hear. A special advocate, a security
45:24
cleared barrister, will represent Palestine Actions
45:29
interests in their absence but will not be allowed to tell who
45:34
Da Amori or her legal team subsequently what the evidence
45:37
was against them that was presented during that closed
45:41
material procedure. Now, the term Kafkaesque is
45:45
widely overused, but we could end up in the situation where
45:51
people are in prison and they have no idea what the evidence
45:56
presented against them is. Yeah, treated as terrorists.
46:01
This is unbelievably serious and people in this country really
46:05
got to grip this because of course this, this is going to
46:08
have huge mission creep. The moment they can install this
46:13
type of control over the legal system and the fact that we now
46:17
have a special group of people, Zionists, we're going to say
46:21
because we're talking about the state of Israel as opposed to
46:23
Jewish people. If you can't criticise them in
46:27
the first instance, that is going to spread.
46:30
And as you've already pointed out, if you've then got
46:32
interests amongst this very group of people in in the
46:36
networks formulating this policy, this is very, very
46:40
dangerous. The other man that probably we
46:42
should mention is Lord Leveson, who recently has been used by
46:45
the government as an independent, as the lead of an
46:48
independent review into removing jury trials.
46:52
That's effectively what he's been doing.
46:54
And so that's another layer which fits into your concerns
46:59
there. Basil, what, what can we ask
47:01
you? What do you think the public
47:04
should be doing now in order to push back about this?
47:08
What? What would you like to see
47:09
people saying and doing to to bring this to light?
47:15
Well, a further 140 people were arrested outside the Royal
47:18
Courts of Justice yesterday for the sin of holding up the signs
47:24
which we all know professed support for Palestine action and
47:29
opposition to genocide. I don't know what more the
47:34
general public can do. I mean, perhaps a very large
47:36
demonstration outside the royal cause of justice.
47:39
I mean, as we know, governments don't really pay much attention,
47:43
however many thousand people there are on the streets.
47:47
I don't know if Palestine action lose this, whether they will
47:50
then take it to the appeal court and then ultimately possibly to
47:54
the Supreme Court. I would advise them to do so
47:59
because the government can't stack the bench of the Supreme
48:04
Court in the way that they've done for this particular
48:07
judicial review. But what the public could do, I
48:10
don't know. Write to your MP Gobby, you
48:12
know, all the usual channels that we have of expressing our
48:16
opinions and and discussed at this.
48:18
I mean, this closed material procedure has been widely
48:21
condemned by barristers, many of whom are now refusing to take on
48:26
new cases that involve any aspect of closed material
48:30
procedure because according to Lord Steen, that's the father
48:35
of, ironically, one of the judges in this case.
48:38
He said he passed away a couple of years ago before he died.
48:40
He said taken as a whole, the procedure completely lacks the
48:45
characteristics of a fair hearing and involves a phantom
48:49
hearing only. Lord Care, another Chief
48:52
Justice, said evidence has been from maybe positively misled
48:58
right to know the case and one's opponent makes to have the
49:01
opportunity to the challenge. It occupies a central place in
49:05
the concept of a fair trial. So you've got very senior judges
49:08
and law Lords there saying that this completely goes against any
49:12
sense of natural justice. And like in America, Brian, this
49:15
issue is being used to destroy institutions and due process and
49:20
ultimately the rights of citizens.
49:22
Yes, they're sacrificing all that to protect effectively
49:25
Israel and what it's doing at the moment in the Middle East.
49:29
I I. Take that on more, Patrick.
49:31
I I just add to the things that Basil has said there, that that
49:35
being aware of what's happening is absolutely critical.
49:39
We have to share information so that people understand that this
49:43
is happening because they're not going to see and read about it
49:46
in in the mainstream press and media.
49:50
And people have got to talk about it and discuss it.
49:53
If that is happening across the country, that's a very powerful
49:56
thing in in its own right. And of course, it's so easy to
49:59
do, get out there, get talking about it and get explaining to
50:03
people why it's a bad thing and we need to challenge it.
50:06
Yeah, and I might get quickly very short comment from Basil
50:10
again on bring up on screen Doctor Ramey here.
50:13
And here's the point. The person who put her through
50:15
jump double jeopardy, Brian, she already won her tribunal.
50:19
She was then dragged back in again on the same with the same
50:22
evidence, with a different verdict.
50:24
And the man who did that was driving.
50:26
That was this man Wes Streeting. This is a 2009 2009 article from
50:32
the Jewish Chronicle. W Streeting, our friend at the
50:35
National Union of Students, the NUS.
50:38
So effectively what we have here, Brian is a politician
50:42
who's been groomed from their university days to basically.
50:47
Be a friend of a foreign state. Of the of the of the Israeli
50:51
lobby in this case. And so I find this to be a
50:55
little bit amazing and not only he's not the only one by the way
51:00
there there's scores of them just like in the United States
51:02
same system of of recruitment talent spotting and ultimately
51:07
Co option on this. And last but not least, just a
51:10
feel good story to get a good laugh in before the end of the
51:14
programme here. Did you know that Michael Gove
51:17
is one of the judges on the panel for the Orwell Prize?
51:22
So Matt Kennard again pointed this out.
51:24
And this is just, and by the way, when Gove was head of the
51:27
Cabinet Office, 1900 times, Kennard's name was mentioned in
51:32
meetings an average of four times per day.
51:35
So Michael Gove's got an issue with Matt Kennard.
51:37
But don't worry, he is on the panel for the judge, for, you
51:41
know, as a for all the great journalists, Michael Gove, the
51:46
Orwell Prize, you couldn't make it up.
51:48
Just Basil one of the last comments on that.
51:49
Sorry. Go ahead, Basil.
51:52
Well, Gove of course said the IDF should get the Nobel Priest
51:55
Prize. Absolutely extraordinary stuff
51:58
after they've slaughtered hundreds of thousands of
52:00
children and use them as target practise.
52:02
I mean, he really is off the charts.
52:04
And yet he's often portrayed in the in the media as being some
52:07
sort of super clever geek type. You know, I mean, these people
52:11
are utterly beyond the pale. No words that I can use on air,
52:15
gentlemen, to describe my views of Michael Gove.
52:19
Always treating, for that matter, doesn't matter which
52:21
party. You know, this is the problem.
52:24
It's the whole body politic is infected.
52:28
West treating from your alma mater.
52:31
Basil Chip off the old block from Cambridge.
52:35
Well, I wouldn't go that far. It's certainly not I I don't
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want to be associated him in any way, shape or form.
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Absolutely. These people are absolutely
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disgraceful, they really are. And I don't know how we can get
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them all out of office and out of Parliament.
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Streeting was very lucky to hang on to his seat last time,
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remember? I mean, he can be unseated
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relatively easily. Your last word, of course.
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He was hilariously described by Alexi Sale, which is Streeting
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as Keir Starmer's illegitimate love child made of margarine.
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Dark humour but it not a bad place to end on in such serious
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times. But.
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Alexi Sell, great British comedian, genius, legend of
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comedy in in the UK. Basil Valentine.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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Hopefully Basil will stay with us for the extra segment.
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I know you have more to to report on some of these other
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stories, Brian. So we look forward to that.
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Yeah, that, that would be absolutely excellent.
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