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Michael Myers: Judgment Day · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 2: Michael!
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  Speaker 5: Michael!
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  Speaker 2: Michael!
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  Speaker 5: Michael!
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  Speaker 2: Michael! Michael!
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  Speaker 6: What's up and welcome.
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  Speaker 5: To Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Brian. I'm Nora.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm Phillip.
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  Speaker 7: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 7: the Oddity Studios. So once again, I've actually got a
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  Speaker 7: for real place to do it again. Phillip, I'm not
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  Speaker 7: at your house for once.
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  Speaker 1: No, I know. It's weird.
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  Speaker 7: Usually I had to do it in the center of
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  Speaker 7: the chicken. For anybody who was paying attention, that was
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  Speaker 7: your house. So, yeah. I'm not saying we won't be
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  Speaker 7: back there probably soon.
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem with us doing it there. It's
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  Speaker 1: just not this week. It was too much of a mess.
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  Speaker 7: So, it's an ongoing battle. But it's good to at
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  Speaker 7: least have a home base to work out of for now,
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  Speaker 7: until everything falls apart. But for now, I'll take it.
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  Speaker 7: And the mental illness girl is back. I told you
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  Speaker 7: you were referred to that way on our Facebook feed.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to be on every episode from now on.
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  Speaker 9: I'm a permanent member.
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  Speaker 7: You can't fight it, guys. You heard her.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's... She won't go away.
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  Speaker 7: I locked the door.
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  Speaker 8: They don't call me mentally ill girl for nothing.
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  Speaker 7: I locked the door and turned around.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 10: All right.
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  Speaker 7: I guess you're on this week. So any, uh, I,
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  Speaker 7: I figure we probably have a lot to cover. So beforehand,
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  Speaker 7: is there any specifics you need to get out there
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  Speaker 7: to the world and any issues to cover beforehand?
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  Speaker 1: About this or about anything?
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  Speaker 7: Before we get to the movie, just life in general. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 7: I figure we should probably just roll war again.
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  Speaker 1: I saw an interesting, interesting might be a strong word,
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  Speaker 1: but an interesting movie last night called Tales from the
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  Speaker 1: Hood Part 2.
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  Speaker 7: Netflix?
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  Speaker 1: It was either Netflix or Hulu. I was at someone's house.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I only know that because I hadn't looked at
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  Speaker 7: Netflix in weeks because I haven't had time to. So
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  Speaker 7: I finally sat down and went, huh, I wonder if
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  Speaker 7: there's anything new.
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  Speaker 11: And I went.
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  Speaker 7: I'm looking through and I went, oh, yeah, because I
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  Speaker 7: assumed it was that thing that's been around for 30 years.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm like, wait, two?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: They made a... Really? It was like 90s, I thought,
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  Speaker 7: the first one.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 7: So when you jump that far and come back for
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  Speaker 7: a sequel, can you imagine a movie taking that big
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  Speaker 7: of a break and then coming... Oh, wait, we'll get
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  Speaker 7: to that later. Anyway, how was Da Hood?
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  Speaker 9: How recent is it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what we were wondering because they're using like
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  Speaker 1: flip phones and.
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  Speaker 8: But it was made last April.
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  Speaker 1: Well, someone pulled out a... Because there's very not-so-thinly-veiled references
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  Speaker 1: to our current president.
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 1: Somebody was like, when was this made? And they pulled
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  Speaker 1: out their phone. It was like, 2018.
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  Speaker 7: I figured it was at least released right away since
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  Speaker 7: I hadn't heard anything and then it just magically showed
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  Speaker 7: up on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: And I felt like I was going to be lost
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  Speaker 1: not having seen Tales from the Hood 1, but... I'm sure.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't... The plot just left you.
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  Speaker 1: And as far as no budget horror movies go, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't terrible, but.
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  Speaker 7: That's... something if.
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  Speaker 1: You if you feel like you if you saw the
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  Speaker 1: first one you feel like you need to complete the
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  Speaker 1: experience then i say go for it otherwise if.
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  Speaker 7: Your hood feels a little empty.
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  Speaker 8: A similar one to that that i loved in high
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  Speaker 8: school was snoop dogg's snoop dogg's hood of horror or
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  Speaker 8: something i remember what you're talking about dog horror anthology
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  Speaker 8: movie um which was horrible that.
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  Speaker 7: Was when you're coming on I mean it just became
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  Speaker 7: a thing of like it was a mixture of let's
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  Speaker 7: find a whole new market to appeal to for horror
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  Speaker 7: movies and these rap guys how can we get them
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  Speaker 7: to like they make a lot of money over here
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  Speaker 7: how can we like shove them how can we get
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  Speaker 7: iced tea to be in our leprechaun movie how can
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  Speaker 7: we make all this happen so then it became hey
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  Speaker 7: Snoop do you want to be in a movie and.
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  Speaker 8: He's like uh money okay yeah As long as he
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  Speaker 8: can storybook-style narrate some.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty much anything you throw out there.
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  Speaker 1: And that was, you know, that's when we saw the
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  Speaker 1: resurgence of the anthology horror film, which I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like we need to go back to.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, when it works, I like it.
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  Speaker 1: When it works, it works. You know, the first Creepshow was.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the main go-to of recent, and recent really
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  Speaker 7: isn't recent anymore, but... recent years for me, uh, trick
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  Speaker 7: or treat, not or, but er, is pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: ABCs of death wasn't awful. It's just hard to, it's
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  Speaker 1: just hard to sit. Well, yeah, some of them are bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's just hard to sit through that many.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. There's, to me, it was more letdowns than good ones.
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  Speaker 1: VHS movies are kind of that same. Hit and miss.
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  Speaker 7: It was hit and miss.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So it's, it's something that keeps coming back.
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  Speaker 9: And I, don't disapprove of the idea but it's yeah
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  Speaker 9: it's a fight sometimes so on that i guess we
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  Speaker 9: should roll into this week's horror movie.
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  Speaker 6: Get more out of life go out to.
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  Speaker 2: A movie testing one two three we're on.
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  Speaker 3: We're here to investigate a patient that killed three innocent
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  Speaker 3: teenagers on a Halloween in 1978. He was shot by
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  Speaker 3: his own psychiatrist and taken into custody that night and
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  Speaker 3: has spent the last 40 years in captivity.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, Michael.
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  Speaker 7: I have something you might like to see.
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  Speaker 13: Everyone in my family, like, turns into a nutcase this
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  Speaker 13: time of year.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, your grandmother is Laurie Strode.
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  Speaker 7: She was almost murdered. Wasn't it her brother who murdered
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  Speaker 7: all those babysitters?
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  Speaker 13: No, it was not her brother. That's something that people
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  Speaker 13: made up. Do you know that I pray every night
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  Speaker 13: that he would escape?
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  Speaker 2: What the hell did you do that for?
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  Speaker 7: So I can kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Dad, look out!
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  Speaker 5: The bus crashed.
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  Speaker 8: Mom, what bus crashed?
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  Speaker 7: Michael escaped.
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  Speaker 8: Excuse me, somebody's in here.
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  Speaker 2: Hello? He's waited for this night.
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  Speaker 5: He's waited for me. I've waited for him.
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  Speaker 2: Get out! Go home! Get inside!
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  Speaker 5: You don't believe in the boogeyman?
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  Speaker 2: He's here! Michael!
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  Speaker 5: You should.
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  Speaker 8: Can you close the closet door?
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  Speaker 7: Because, yeah, I figure we've got a lot to do.
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  Speaker 7: So we have gone out on the town. We left
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  Speaker 7: the house and we went out in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Where people are.
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  Speaker 7: People might have gotten stabbed by one of them, as
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  Speaker 7: this turns out. So this week's Out on the Town
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  Speaker 7: feature is Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's what they called it.
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  Speaker 7: The year is, of course, 2018. The director is David
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  Speaker 7: Gordon Green. And the plot, according to IMDb, Laurie Strode
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  Speaker 7: comes to her final confrontation with Michael Myers, the masked
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  Speaker 7: figure who has haunted her since she narrowly escaped his
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  Speaker 7: killing spree on Halloween night four decades ago. Spoiler alert. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: go see it. It's a brand new movie. And based
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  Speaker 7: on the returns, I'm assuming most of you have seen
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  Speaker 7: it because it made a ton of money.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 7: I think what I wanted to get into, just to
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  Speaker 7: lead off, without getting into any details, because we're going
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  Speaker 7: to go into many of them, I'm sure. As you
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  Speaker 7: came out of the theater, what were you saying to yourself?
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  Speaker 7: Or just annoying people passing by. I don't know. What
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  Speaker 7: was everybody's initial take before we get to all the
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  Speaker 7: gory details? Literally and figuratively.
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  Speaker 8: I think my first reaction was just, that's it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was disappointed. Very disappointed.
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  Speaker 7: See? I mean, I wasn't, but it was a seesaw
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  Speaker 7: of like, here's all this baggage on this side. And
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  Speaker 7: then there was this side of like, that was fine. Like,
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  Speaker 7: it was fun. It was a Halloween movie. And if
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  Speaker 7: I take myself out of context of everything, it's fine. But.
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  Speaker 1: It was not the worst... slasher movie I've seen. It's
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  Speaker 1: not the, definitely not the worst of the sequels by far.
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  Speaker 1: I just felt like there were points where there were,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of potential and then followed by
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  Speaker 1: a lot of missteps and just poor choices on the, the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the production side.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. To me, it's mostly the bigger stuff, the bigger thing. Like,
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  Speaker 7: scene to scene shot to shot like it's fine it's
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  Speaker 7: functional it works okay as its own little weird movie
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  Speaker 7: and it even like again I didn't pay that much
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  Speaker 7: attention to him as a director overall he started making
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  Speaker 7: a lot of goofy comedies so how he got here
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  Speaker 7: I don't know but like there were even times when
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  Speaker 7: I was like that looks really good like there's a
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  Speaker 7: shot specifically I think it's of the cop coming out
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  Speaker 7: of the car and the lights are going and his
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  Speaker 7: flashlights blaring through and the color behind him actually looks good.
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  Speaker 7: I was just like, this actually is like either he
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  Speaker 7: shot it well, or he's got a really good cinematographer
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  Speaker 7: who figured out the best way to do this lighting.
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  Speaker 7: But like everything about that, I was like, visually, this
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  Speaker 7: looks good. And then the more I watched it, I
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  Speaker 7: was like, all of it looks well put together. So
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  Speaker 7: it is a nice presentation overall, but yeah, so much
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  Speaker 7: other stuff that throws me off.
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  Speaker 8: So, I think I was expecting more. And that was
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  Speaker 8: just that.
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  Speaker 7: Again, more in the story of Michael Myers or more
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  Speaker 7: from the movie as a whole?
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  Speaker 8: I guess just as a whole, yeah. It kind of
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  Speaker 8: felt just very like, oh, that's it. He wasn't as,
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  Speaker 8: I feel like in the first Halloween, he's this huge,
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  Speaker 8: like mythic, terrifying presence that like is, you know, just
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  Speaker 8: in the background and not, and this was very just like,
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  Speaker 8: he's there and he stabbed her. And she ended like,
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  Speaker 8: I wanted more like buildup and to that big confrontation.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like we got too much Michael Myers in
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  Speaker 1: this movie.
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  Speaker 7: That's, that's kind of where I ended up with more
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  Speaker 7: on the, and this is, this is where I'm faulting
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  Speaker 7: almost the, the directing and maybe more than anything, the writing,
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  Speaker 7: because I feel like, Because if you go back many episodes,
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  Speaker 7: we watched the trailer when it first hit. And this
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  Speaker 7: was my main issue. It was like, wait, so they're
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  Speaker 7: just bailing on all the other movies now. Even two,
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  Speaker 7: which Carpenter wrote. Potentially going into it, I was fine
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  Speaker 7: with that idea.
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  Speaker 1: Let's ignore everything. Let's stick with the story of Laurie. Maybe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, leave in part two, but there were certain
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  Speaker 1: things though that by ignoring that, like I never, I
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  Speaker 1: never got on board with the whole, well, he's her brother.
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  Speaker 1: I never, I always thought that was kind of silly, but.
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  Speaker 7: Didn't care either way, but like two's entertaining. So it's like,
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  Speaker 7: and again, the fact that Carpenter was still involved at
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  Speaker 7: that point, I was like, maybe he'd want to keep
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  Speaker 7: that as part of the mythology, but like, no. So
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  Speaker 7: that was the part that I, found most disturbing watching
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  Speaker 7: the trailer so then i'm like okay but that that's
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  Speaker 7: the same thing i was like okay let's throw all
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  Speaker 7: that out and we'll just try to pick up instead
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  Speaker 7: of a reboot because we already had a weird reboot
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  Speaker 7: too it's like well thank god we're not doing.
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  Speaker 1: That again we've had two reboots kind of sort of
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  Speaker 1: yeah you know one within the original series one and
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  Speaker 1: then sort of if you.
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  Speaker 7: Want to blame rob zombie for all the ills of
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  Speaker 7: the universe which i usually do but Okay, so that aside,
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  Speaker 7: it's like, okay, let's get that out of the way.
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  Speaker 7: Let's not worry about any of the sequels. Those are
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  Speaker 7: in their own little... Even the fact that she already
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  Speaker 7: came back and was in... The H2O was supposed to
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  Speaker 7: be her big return, kind of like this. So now
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  Speaker 7: we skip that and we're H4O and we're back again.
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  Speaker 7: So all that aside. Okay, throw all that out. Then
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  Speaker 7: my main issue was we're almost... we're supposed to, as
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  Speaker 7: the story goes, be completely ignoring all that, picks up
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  Speaker 7: exactly where that last one we left off just happens
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  Speaker 7: to be 40 years later. But to me, Michael Myers,
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  Speaker 7: the killer that's in this movie, and almost like the
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  Speaker 7: mythos of Michael Myers, picks up where all the sequels
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  Speaker 7: left off. Because to me, he comes out as this crazy,
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  Speaker 7: badass killing machine. Which I'm like, you know in the
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  Speaker 7: first movie, he killed like three people? Like, Okay, a
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  Speaker 7: couple of guys at the beginning, maybe, but, like, of
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  Speaker 7: the main characters there, I think it counted once.
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  Speaker 1: I think including Judas at the beginning of the movie,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's five.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's what even the guy says in
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  Speaker 7: the movie. But I was like, the night of, the
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  Speaker 7: big bulk of the movie, he kills three people. Like,
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  Speaker 7: it's not a giant body count. Because, again, movies that
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  Speaker 7: became the running gag will refer to the scream rules.
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  Speaker 7: The sequel is you gotta make the body count bigger.
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  Speaker 7: You gotta, you know, everything has you up the ante.
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  Speaker 7: Which is fine, but it's like, I feel like that's
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  Speaker 7: where we pick up is, like, six seven eight movies
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  Speaker 7: later up there because like now we're watching him and
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  Speaker 7: i'm like he just when he first gets loose he
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  Speaker 7: gets the the outfit he grabs the knife like he's
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  Speaker 7: going through just in that woman's house nobody sees him
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  Speaker 7: bam kills her moves on next person and he i
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  Speaker 7: mean he is he's just a killing machine which is
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  Speaker 7: awesome that's what we want but i'm like well now
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  Speaker 7: this doesn't match with this other guy right like he
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  Speaker 7: was way more like creepy and looming the first movie
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  Speaker 7: And now all of a sudden he is just, again,
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  Speaker 7: he's what we've come to expect from killers in movies now.
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  Speaker 7: He just, the body count's huge, let's take out as
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  Speaker 7: many people as possible.
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  Speaker 1: You feel like in that first movie, in the first sequel,
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  Speaker 1: he had a plan. We never really know what it is,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is part of the fun.
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  Speaker 5: Of the movie.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know why he's doing this, and that's part
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  Speaker 1: of why. But in this one, he's just, there doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem to be any plan anymore.
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  Speaker 7: It's random, isn't it? That's kind of what I liked
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  Speaker 7: about that first one. The 78 version is it's not
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  Speaker 7: so much that he is a serial killer and he's
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  Speaker 7: got a grand plan. What I love about that original
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  Speaker 7: movie is he is the boogeyman. They go into that
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  Speaker 7: as the real backstory that it's not even about Michael Myers,
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  Speaker 7: the weird little let's follow the kid story. It's just
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  Speaker 7: this is evil and it has found you on Halloween
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  Speaker 7: night and you got to deal with it. Like, it's
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  Speaker 7: way more like, I think it's way more, again, it's
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  Speaker 7: almost like a mythology of Halloween. It's like dealing with
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  Speaker 7: terror on Halloween night. This is what you do that
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  Speaker 7: first movie, this one picks up and it's like, it
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  Speaker 7: doesn't match up with what we just saw.
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  Speaker 1: Assume.
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  Speaker 7: And again, I'd be fine with that if we were
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  Speaker 7: taking all the rest into account, but like now everything
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  Speaker 7: doesn't balance out. It's like, okay, so why is it
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  Speaker 7: that he's completely docile when he's in the asylum and,
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  Speaker 7: Like he hasn't done anything. Like what you think, like, again, if,
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  Speaker 7: if the murderer we're seeing now were put away, but
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  Speaker 7: still kind of around, like you'd think they'd show up
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  Speaker 7: to do that little interview and it'd be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: he's killed 17 guys since he's been in here. You know,
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  Speaker 7: he killed a whole bunch of inmates. He's killed six guards. Like,
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  Speaker 7: you know, you think like no matter what they do,
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  Speaker 7: he would end up killing somebody, no matter how many
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  Speaker 7: steps they would take. he would still find a way
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  Speaker 7: to just kill people.
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  Speaker 1: Whether he has the mask or not.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, because he's evil. He is evil incarnate. That's the
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  Speaker 7: thing Loomis was telling us from day one. So the
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  Speaker 7: fact that now it's just like, I'm stuck in an asylum.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of upset about it.
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  Speaker 7: I hope I get out so I can kill somebody.
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  Speaker 7: And then it just snaps right back into professional hitman mode.
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  Speaker 7: Just like boom, boom, boom. Just start knocking people out.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: Seems like it's really out of whack to me. Like just... again,
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: almost from a screenwriting standpoint, like this doesn't, you set
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: up the rule that it's supposed to match this movie,
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: and now it doesn't.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Well, about halfway through the movie, I had this feeling,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and I still think this is the case, but it's like,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: is this like a first or second draft that we're watching?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Did they not go very far in the, you know, because,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you know, you hear about first draft stuff where it's
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: got all this and this and this, and then they
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: whittle it down, and they take some stuff out, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they bring more stuff in, and then they bring other
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: stuff back, and It just felt like they took all
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the ideas that they had and never really fleshed any
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: of them out.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, to me, it almost feels like, and it's
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: funny because we're getting to this point where you see
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: established filmmakers taking over. We kind of had this conversation
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: with the Star Wars run. It's like it almost feels
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: like a really well-financed fan film. Yeah. It's like, man,
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: if I were gonna make a michael myers movie you
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: know what i'd do and like he'd put a million
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: things in it and then somebody went hey do you
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: want to make a michael myers movie here's a truckload
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: of money and they made a really well-financed michael myers
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: movie so i mean again that's why at the end
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: i'm like well we got to see a guy in
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: a michael myers mask he killed a But again, trying
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: to balance it out with the rules that you made
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: when you put this thing together is what gives me
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: more issues and some basic screenwriting stuff too as we
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: go through.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: And it didn't even really feel like a cohesive movie.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: I feel like that opening scene in the creepy mental
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: asylum with the checkered floors and everything and all the
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: patients going crazy, which... Obviously, as you can guess, I
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: have my own.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: Issues with that scene. As a mental illness girl, you're
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: going to have problems with that. That was stupid. You're like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: I hate when they lock me in rooms like that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because what mental asylum are we chaining people up
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: outside to their own posts and just stand out there
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: in the sun?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: They're chaining people up, but yet they're complaining about how
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the place that they're going to send them to is
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: even worse than where he's at right now. And he's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: been there for 40 years.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: Do you think they give him some sunblock or something?
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: Like somebody call Geraldo Rivera and get him in there
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: to investigate that because that's nonsense. But so that whole
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: first scene felt so different from then later than like
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: the podcasters coming and interviewing Laurie felt kind of like
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: a different movie and then all the teen like kind
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: of funny jokey stuff felt like a different thing and
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: it was like what kind of like What kind of
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: slasher movie are we trying to do?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like your podcasters, too, were a huge waste.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I hate this.
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: Most podcasters are. They were horrible.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, sure.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: Seems pretty accurate.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: All podcasters need to be beaten to death in a bathroom.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: Here's my problem. Three thousand dollars?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Fuck you. Like, three thousand dollars. Screw you and your well-financed,
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: corporate-funded podcast. Anyway, that was just me seething in the
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: theater by myself. Does nobody else have a problem.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: With $ 3, 000? They were clearly, at about the 30-minute mark,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they were the MacGuffin of the film.
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: Not even satisfying enough to really be that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I felt like, number one, there was no need for
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: them to bring him the mask. Number two, I felt
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: like you wasted the opportunity. Okay, Loomis isn't around and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: he's got this new Dr. Sure, but we could focus
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: on these guys. Oh, he's escaped. Let's find Laurie. Let's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: see if she has any ideas. Where is he going
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to go next? We've studied him for all this time.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We know his every move. No, they get murdered unceremoniously.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: Also, who's this attorney general or DA or whatever who
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: gave them the mask? He's like, oh, hey, podcasters, sure,
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: take this.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: And why is that not in an evidence bag?
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, nothing bad can come from this at all.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And have you seen, there's pictures flying around on the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: internet of the original mask. It's not nearly in that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: good of shape as the one that they show in
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: I was thinking that as he pulled it out of
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: his bag and as Michael was putting it on, I'm
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: just like, man, that's a solid mask.
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: Latex, 40 years? Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: I've heard some bad stories from special effects guys. I
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: feel like it wouldn't hold up so well.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the shoes from Back to the Future 2 are
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: falling apart. This has been well documented.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: And that's in the future.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: They've just got to 2015. Right, but the point is
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: they're not as old as his mask would be.
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: Oh, yes.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, to me, first of all, I'm so sick of...
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, it is them trying to be like, okay,
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: this is the new... version of it it's going to
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: be in today's world of course it's going to be
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: a podcast of course it's going to be a true
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: crime podcast because that's the only thing normal people acknowledge
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: as like a show is like oh i watch serial
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: and i listen to that every week and so like
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: it it it's the only thing i think they could
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: find that's an in that people would actually like acknowledge
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: and i guess people that would be dumb enough to
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: just randomly hold the mask up and i hope it
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: kills me yeah but that leads to one of many
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: many this is where i want to like argue mostly
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: with the writing end of it. There are so many
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: random freaking coincidences that I'm just like, why would that
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: have happened in? I mean, if this were a real
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: world story, I know it's fiction. I I'm allowing on
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: any movie. I try to like, you have to, yeah,
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: I'll allow for a little, but I mean like what,
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: what are the odds that this guy who escapes from
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: a bus crash and is wandering around is Also happens
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: to end up at the same gas station as the
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: people who happen to be doing a story on him.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: And by the way, had already left where he was
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: and went over here and they're now coming back. Like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: it's just like really unlikely, but okay. Like if we're
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: going to let one thing slide, I'm like, that's pretty
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: damn convenient. Yeah. And for no real reason, because they're
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: not even important characters. I can also be super nitpicky
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: and go, okay, the teeth scene, creepy as hell.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Those teeth are really clean. I mean, like out of
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: a dental, like some fancy dentist office where they have
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: them on display in a jar. Like there's a little blood,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: but I'm like, had he just ripped them out of
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: that dude whose jaw was laying there and like ripped
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: out in the front?
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: I'm like.
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: There'd be a lot of mess involved.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Those were really clean. I have to admit, that was
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a pretty clever kill.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: It was.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: But we don't get to see it. The most interesting
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: kill we don't see.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: We get to see the aftermath, which at the time,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I thought, well, okay, that's kind of cool. We don't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: see what he did, but then with everything that followed.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: But with that whole sequence, I thought, that was the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: first time I thought, well, they're just repeating themselves because...
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: In part four, he murders a mechanic and steals a suit.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, which also happens in.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: The first of many times that they.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: The first Rob Zombie reboot.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: That's the....
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: What is his name?
• 25:50
  Speaker 14: Go Grizzly, bitch.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And in part seven, he kills someone in a rest
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: stop and takes their car. So we're starting to repeat
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: these sequels that we're supposed to pretend never happened.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, we know he has to end up in
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: a giant jumpsuit. Where else are you going to get
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: one when you look like him, I guess? So I'll
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: almost let that go. The thing that's more annoying, I guess,
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: is the fact that he.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You really also, I mean, you could have taken the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: podcasters completely out of this movie. I know we needed
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: an excuse for him to get the mask, but we've
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: never needed that before.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: No.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Because in all the other, the first one, he steals
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it out of a hardware store. Again, in part four,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: he steals it out of a costume shop. Really, this
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: movie could have started with him being transferred, you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: getting on the bus, the bus crashes. Oh, look, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: found the mask and a suit. And then we just
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: go on from there. but instead we waste a good
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: half hour, which during that time too, I was thinking, no,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: there's no, no one's been killed. Where, where's the body count?
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: Well, this is the other thing that just like, okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: if I'm going to let the jumpsuit go, cause we
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: know he's got to end up here, but like the
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: teeth thing also, this is another one, like of like
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: a screenwriter or a director or both, like being like,
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: this would be a really cool scene. But I'm like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: that's also kind of like, toying with someone like that's
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: a very methodical killer kind of a thing which is
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: not Michael that's not his Michael Myers is just like
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: an unstoppable force he is a presence of evil but
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: he doesn't get personally involved like he's not really like
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna mess with you first he's I'm gonna stick
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: this knife through you into a wall because I want
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: to kill you like it's that seemed like it wasn't
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: like at the time I was just like yeah that
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: was kind of creepy and then I went wait, does
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: he do creepy things to mess with people in any
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: of our mythology that now doesn't count? But even in
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: the first one, I'm like, he just sort of stands
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: there and he's a looming presence.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And he stalked Laurie in the daytime.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: She clearly sees him in that one scene.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: Not subtle.
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: Not subtle. So again, that to me is way more
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: planned out and like just to mess with her mentally
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: before he kills her. You know, why else would you
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: do that?
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. Well, it would be like The
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: shark in Jaws leaving you a note.
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: I'll be back tomorrow to get your boat. Don't you worry. So,
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean, that whole sequence, like, again,
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: it's like, it's effective. Like, if you take that out
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: of context, that's a great sequence. All of it is, like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: really effective. The kill looks good for both of them.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: He beats the hell out of that dude. So, I'm like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: that's really kind of satisfying at that point because we
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: haven't seen much. So, by itself, it's fine.
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: But.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: It's not when you jam it into the middle of
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: the rest of this mess. So, do you want to
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: hit my other coincidences? Sure. Because that also throws us
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: in the middle of the plot. Or do we need
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: to jump into Lori first and kind of get back
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: into her as a character? Because my coincidences are, what
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: are the odds he's going to end up at a
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: random babysitter's house at all? Just because we're building on
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: the mythology of he kills babysitters.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, are those.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: He doesn't know she's a babysitter, right? Because he doesn't
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: give a shit. Because he's insane. He doesn't know.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: What the fuck. But are those supposed to be the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: houses from the first movie?
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't think so.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But that was the only thing I could think of.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, I'll go back here. Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, that would almost make sense. But again, if
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: that were going to be the case, why wouldn't they
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: work that into the plot? Why wouldn't our new Loomis
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: be like, oh, he's heading back to the old houses.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: At least then there would be some sort of through line,
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: but there's no through line in this. So everything seems
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: to just fall into place because we in the audience
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: need it to. Because the director thinks that it will
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: be cool to do these things, but I'm like, it
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: doesn't make any sense that they would. Again, why would
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: he end up killing any babysitter except we know him
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: to kill babysitters? But It's like he didn't go seeking
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: out babysitters, did he? Like that wasn't really a motivation
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: in the first one. That's just who he happened to
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: be stalking. And we don't even know why. He's just
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: the freaking boogeyman. But now he's like specifically looking for
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: a babysitter, maybe.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: So then on top of that, what are the odds
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: he would end up at the babysitter who happens to
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: be best friends with Lori's granddaughter that we've already met
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: and we've already established and we already have the little
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: tie in with her and the boyfriend. And okay, that
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: kid's pretty damned awesome. But like, again, like.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: The kid was awesome.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: He was so cute.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And he stole the scene and I don't want to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: take anything away from him because he was funny.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: He was great. That kid's great.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: He was a hell of a good actor. I want
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: a whole movie with him. I hope to see good
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: things come from this kid. I hope he gets that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Ten years from now, we're watching a movie where he's
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the lead, and it's like, oh, that was a kid from.
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: Not ten years. They're going to reboot School of Rock,
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: and he'll be one of the kids. Something with kids
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: in it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: We need kids. The level of comedy in that scene,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: which was good, it was funny, kind of brought everything
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to a screeching halt. It was almost like the.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: The comedy scene at the beginning of the last star
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Wars movie where he's like, Oh, hold for, you know, whatever.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It just kind of, it didn't really fit.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: I don't feel like it's that out of play. Cause
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: that one does feel out of place, but you get what.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I'm saying though.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: It just do. But I feel like we need to, again,
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: if this were a little better put together, I think
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: we would need that scene because we want to care
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: about that babysitter. Yeah. We want to root for that
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: kid to get away. Like we want to, because I
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: feel like we were that first time, like, PJ souls
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: is the most adorable thing on the planet. And like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: we spend enough time with her and she's funny and
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: she's goofy as hell. And like, I think we are
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: endeared to her because of that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So I think we.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: Kind of need that from these other ones. And we
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: get a little of that with all these goofy kids.
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: Her boyfriend's kind of useless, but like the friend by
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: the end, I'm just like, Okay, he's, like, he's such
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: a doofus that you're like, yeah, you kind of get... And, like,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: by the time we start to like.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Him, he's immediately gone. Well, and then the granddaughter's boyfriend,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: who was the one... I'm sitting there going, yep, can't
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: wait till they kill this guy.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Nothing. Nothing.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: I was thinking, like, it didn't... What's funny is I
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: got to the end of the movie, that didn't even
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: occur to me. It was, like, because I saw it, like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: last weekend. So I've been, like, working on all this
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: in my head for a week. And I finally went, wait,
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: what happened to the boyfriend? Like, it was days later
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: before the boyfriend... even occurred to me again. And I
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: was like, that's not saying much about his character.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: He was a total dick. He was. I mean, he
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: started out fine. Even then I didn't. Well, when they
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: first introduced him, it was like, oh, they're probably going
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to kill this guy. That'd be kind of a shame.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And then a couple minutes later, it's like, oh, I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: cannot wait.
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: I'm going to kill him.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I cannot wait until he gets disemboweled.
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: I will say, going back to the babysitter scene, That
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: the part where he's in the closet and she goes
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: to close the door and it bounces back. That was
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: a scary moment.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: That was scary. Effective as hell. Each of these scenes
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: torn apart into their own little snippets on YouTube are great.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: But you put them all together.
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: The trailer was good.
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: And it had all those parts in it. And so
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: then it was like, oh.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like the other one was
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: then the.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: In the yard, like with the dorky friend. I'm like, okay,
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: how did he just happen to be in the yard
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: that they happened to be cutting through? Even if he
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: was like a creepy stalker dude and had been watching her,
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: they randomly took that shortcut that she'd never been before, seemingly.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: So there's no way he could have known to go
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: that way. He just happened to end up there because
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: it would be creepy for us sitting in the audience.
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: But like, as the plot goes, there's no... reason for
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: him to end up there there's no reason he would
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: know and again it's getting back to what kind of
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: killer he is and i feel like if this was
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: i mean if we're doing a movie about hannibal lecter
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: yeah he's super smart he's also conniving enough that like
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: in the asylum he would have figured out like he
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: would have researched laurie he would have found out she
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: had a family he would have done all the research
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: to know where they live and where they go to
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: school and like he would know all that shit that's
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: not who we're dealing with michael myers As far as
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: we can tell, almost brain dead. He just happens to
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: be functional enough to walk around and kill people. But
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: like he's catatonic otherwise. So like there doesn't seem to
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: be any conniving going on. So he wouldn't know any
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: of these weird details that a different kind of a
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: killer would. But yet we're thrown into all these scenarios
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: because it's convenient and it seems cool for us in
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: the audience. But from the plot standpoint, it doesn't make
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: any sense. Is that just me? The more I went
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: into it, I was just like, these coincidences are really
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: getting on my nerves. So, I've been on a rant.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: Does anyone else have other things before I get into
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: several other weird points I have?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Well, you brought up Laurie a minute ago, and I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: feel like this was another... Walking into the movie, I thought, well,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: this is a... This will be interesting because with what
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: we're dealing with now... you know socially speaking it's like
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: we're going to have a character who's going to be
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: suffering from ptsd survivor guilt all these things and they
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: kind of touched on that a little bit but in
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the end they really just made her and this and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: i keep i keep with this movie i keep i
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: keep comparing it to the evil dead because they almost
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: make her or they try to make her like this
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: badass like almost like an Ash character because she's got
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the house all booby-trapped and she knows everything about weapons,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: which I get that part, the weapon stuff. Yes, she
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: would spend all this time training and teaching her daughter.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: More like Sarah Connor, I guess, than Ash.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: That's exactly what I was going to say.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: She knows that this horrible future is in store for
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: her and no one will listen. Ultimately, she's proven right.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: That was cool, too. I was expecting to see that,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but I just felt like there was so much more
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they could have done developing her character to show just
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the true I guess hell that she's been through for
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: all these years.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: I'm kind of glad you said that I just want
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: to say like I'm not copying off of you what
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: does it say Halloween colon judgment day because I sat
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: there in the theater going okay first I was like
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: this is kind of cool because it is mirroring a
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: really good story arc in the Terminator series because we
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: do see but I'm like I feel like it started
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: going down that road and but it didn't stick the
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: landing part of it. Like to me, what works so well.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: And that's, I, again, I think Terminator two is arguably
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: at least as good as that first one, maybe story-wise
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: better because we do see this amazing story. She like
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: Sarah doesn't have much to do in that first one.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: She just kind of is the victim and Michael means
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: there to kind of pull her out of the way
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: to get killed every time. And then by the end,
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: she starts to kind of realize, Oh, I need to, again,
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: she becomes a survivor and, Whereas by the second one,
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: we pick up with her years later and you see
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: what she's been going through. And she's, again, like, Laurie
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: goes a little more off the crazy end. Sarah is
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: just preparedness. Like, she has deadened herself almost to the
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: point of, like, all I have to do is survive
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: and keep my son alive and that's it. Like, that's
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: my only job. Like, she does not worry about her
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: life anymore. All she's done is, like, freaking work out
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: and learn how to use guns and, like, make herself
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: into a soldier more or less. But to me, there's
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: also an ending to that story. And the thing that
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: makes Terminator 2 so good is that story arc. Is
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: the fact that we are following this story of Sarah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: who that's what I think is clever about Terminator 2.
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: By the end of the movie, it's like, well, we
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: know pretty early on the Terminator in question isn't Arnold.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: but it's kind of not even our other dude. It's
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: like the, I mean, once you see the kid fighting
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: with her, Sarah is the Terminator. Sarah has become the
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: one that's ready to kill an innocent person just to
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: prove her point. Just to be like, I want to
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: make sure what I need to protect gets taken care of,
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: even if I have to cross lines that I otherwise
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: would have never done. And it's like, we don't ever
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: get that kind of a story. And the kid kind
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: of talks, and that to me is the other end
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: of the story, is the kid's like, no, there is
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: a good and bad. There is right and wrong, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: crossing that line, even for your purposes, isn't okay. He
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: is serving a purpose. He is teaching her something, almost,
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: as a character, which is why it kind of balances out,
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: and even she learns, okay, it's not worth going into
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: that gray area just to do what I need to do,
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: and we don't ever get that moment with Laurie. Laurie
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: seems like she's gone a little crazy, and has gone
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: super militant, but at the same time, there's no other
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: end to that. Like, we don't ever get anybody going, like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: her daughter, I really like as a character, but we
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: never really get her, like, she yells at her a lot, but, like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: we never get that finishing other end of it where
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: she's like, Mom, what the hell are you doing? Like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: I really think it was an interesting move to make
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: her as damaged as Laurie is now because she's definitely
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: so messed up that it's ruined, you know, her whole life,
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: every little relationships he's had, including with her daughter, they
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: took her daughter away. So I'm like, I thought that
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: intro into it was good, but we.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Never do anything. There's never a payoff.
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah. There's never a payoff or even like the other
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: end of the character development. Like it's just like, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: by the end, she's still kind of a messed up
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: person and she's a survivor. Yes. But, what cause like
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: I kind of wish if they were gonna do that
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: go all the way to the other end like what
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: if she really did like if she got to that
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: Sarah Connor moment and was like I don't care what
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: right you know like what if she cuz she's sitting
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: there at the car when they start transferring what if
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: she ran the bus off the road and got out
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: and gunned him down right there right Street I'd be
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: like at least that would be an interesting move like
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: at least then it's like okay no she's gone off
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: the deep end obviously But at least it's doing something
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: different there and finishing that, okay, she's full on crazy now.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: Like this is what is done. It's driven her insane
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: to the point that she is, she's the Terminator. She's
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: the killer now.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: You almost could have made a whole movie out of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: this where Michael doesn't kill anybody, but it's her the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whole time. Trying to stop him. And I feel like
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: if that had been done correctly, you could have had
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a much more entertaining film.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: Her becoming the Terminator is way more interesting, which is
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: kind of what this... Again, I don't know if it
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: needed to be. That probably would have pissed a lot
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: of people off. But I'm like, at least it's doing
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: something and going a way more interesting road. This one,
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: it's like it throws that out there and it tries to...
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: Pretend like it's doing something bigger, I feel like. And
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: then it pulls out the last third of the movie.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: And the last third becomes super conventional. Let's have the
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: good guys slash good girls. Because that's the only people
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: that survive. Dad's gone. Everybody else is gone. But our
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: main three girls are alive. And when? In quotation marks here. But, like,
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: I don't... I don't know. Like, are we... Is it
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: worth just us having a happy... Again, in quotes, ending...
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: to throw everything else we've been doing out the window
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: up to this point. Like we don't, we don't get
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: anything out of her character going that insane. The mother
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: daughter tension is there the whole time, but we don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: really get a payoff with that either. It's just like, haha,
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: I was right. And that's why I built all these
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: booby traps.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I can see. I mean, you could have explored that,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the relationship with the mother and daughter. And I get
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: why they skipped over it because.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Slasher films. You want that teenage, element you know sort
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: of thing but.
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: Well i i love that actress that's playing the daughter
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: and like i think she does a great job with
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: what scenes she has like i do totally buy her
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: because again at the beginning it seems like she's just
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: blowing it all off and it does it but like
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: once she gets to that house again that performance is
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: layered enough that you're like oh no there's a lot
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: of scars there like she's really kind of suppressed everything
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: to have a happy life, but it's all still there.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Even when he's coming, she looks over at the guns,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: and she has this very reluctant sort of, I know
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I can do this, but God damn it. I don't
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: need to... I shouldn't have to be in this situation.
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: Well, and as it gets to the end, she grabs
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: her gun.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Again, this is my entire childhood was spent here, so
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: it's like, oh, well... It's almost routine for me to
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: grab my gun off the rack and go out and
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: start shooting.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And then she has the gun. And this shows you
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: how predictable the movie becomes. She has the gun. She's
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: waiting at the bottom of the stairs. She's acting like
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: she's the victim. And I'm sitting there thinking she's going
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to say something smart. And then she's going to shoot him.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Three seconds later, she's whatever that cornball line was. And
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: then she shoots him. And I was like, yep, here
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: we go.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: When I read something about how, like, in the earlier
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: drafts of the script, they were just going to kill Laurie, like,
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: five minutes in. And then decided not to.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: Didn't they already do that in one of the sequels
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: that doesn't exist?
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: Like, the first scene where they're interviewing her, I was like, yes,
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: I want to know more about this.
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: Sure.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: Like, Jamie Lee Curtis is so awesome, and she was
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: just doing such a great job. And I was like, okay, cool, like,
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: we're going to explore this. And then after that, it
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: really did just kind of turn into, like, your run-of-the-mill story.
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: like revenge kind of thing. But if they had killed
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: her off, it probably wouldn't have made that much of
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: a difference after that first scene.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But I also feel like if he would have killed
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: her at the house, the scene where he's choking her
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: through the door, I thought, okay, they're going to redeem
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: some of this movie. Let's kill off Laurie and we'll
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: pass the mantle on to the granddaughter. We'll focus on
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: her in the inevitable sequel we're going to get out
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of this. Which is definitely, I mean, that's.
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: A guarantee with the receipts.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: That it's turned in. And then she gets away and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you missed a golden opportunity to make
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: all of this kind of worth it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: I think even more than that, I hadn't really thought
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: about killing her off that early on. But if we
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: killed her off in the first third of the movie
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: and then the whole rest of the movie became about
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: the daughter... And the daughter's relationship with the now granddaughter,
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: I think that dynamic would be really interesting.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that would be amazing because you'd have the daughter
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: would be... One, she'd be upset that her mom's gone
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: despite all the turmoil they've had. But then you could
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: have her so guilt-stricken because, oh, if I'd only listened,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: maybe we could have avoided this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: Well, and you'd have... Again, it would be a nice
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: balance because, again, you've got a great actress who can
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: pull this off and she could do... Yes, I'm dealing
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: with all this guilt. I'm dealing with all this damage
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: from my childhood. But I'm also trying to raise this
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: daughter now and keep her from going down that road.
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: And then by the end, when we get into some
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: sort of confrontation, it's like, oh, and by the way,
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: I did spend the first half of my life training
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: to kill someone every day of my life. You specifically.
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: So she could, yeah, she could actually, like, then get
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: to be a badass in the end, and we would
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: buy it because she had all the training. So, like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: to me, that's a way more interesting way that it
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: could have gone. This has just become way more interesting
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: movies that could have happened.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So much potential every 20 minutes in this movie.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean, that is one of those that I
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: thought that initially, and then I tried to go out
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: of my way not to come in contact with anybody
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: else's response, because I knew we were doing this, so
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: I kind of didn't want to see what everybody else
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: had to say. The few people I know that had
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: seen it seemed like they liked it. So I just
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: kind of left them alone, and I try not to
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: be the wet blanket for everyone I know, just you
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: guys listening. But I was just like, once I got
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: into it, like just today, I went through to look
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: at I think maybe just when I was getting the
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: info to read there at the beginning, and it was
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: like another article came up, and the only thing I
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: read was one of them went into this whole thing
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: of like, is Michael Myers even concerned about Laurie's show?
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: And then the more I thought, I was like, well, yeah,
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: does he? As I said with all these other scenarios,
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: he doesn't seem to be paying attention to anything. He's
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: just killing for the sake of killing. So she's become
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: obsessed with him, but is it a completely one way scenario? Again,
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: which is why that would have been a more interesting
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: scenario is if he wasn't interested in killing her and
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: he kind of still doesn't seem like he is personally.
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: He's not personally seeking her out that we know of,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: except that he just ends up at her house at
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: the end. Once again, coincidence. How the hell does he
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: end up at her house? Like the other, like the granddaughter,
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: because they were driving there, it made sense. Loomis was taken,
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: but how did he know to go to her house?
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: Like that doesn't make any sense. But even then, like if.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: He did, because the, the, well, I guess.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: He bust through the door eventually, but, but yeah, it's like, what,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: what motivation would he have for her? Is she like
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: the one that got away? He's like sitting, pining away like, man,
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: if I just could have killed that last girl, everything
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: would have been great.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: That was always the fun of the first movies. Why
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: is he doing any of this? But why specifically her?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: What's so special about her? And then, of course, in
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the first sequel, oh, brother, sister. And that never stops.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: That never set well with me.
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: It was one of those, I think I forgot about
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: it for years. It was only when I went back
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: and rewatched it many years later, I was like, oh,
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: I forgot they even did that. So I was never
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: overly attached to that part anyway. It just became a
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: weird little side story that then they skipped over for
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: two movies and then they kind of came back to.
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: So I don't really care about that. But again, that's
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: a very specific bow to put on it from an
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: easy writing standpoint. But to me, that's what's genius about
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: that first one is there is no reason, there is
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: no answer. And then we come back to this and
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: it seems like that's kind of what they want to
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: do again. But once again, they're doing a much bigger
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: presentation of it. I'm like, well, now you can't just
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: leave it with, well, now there's no motivation as to
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: why he's doing it. But yet he's ending up in
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: all these specific places that seem like it's geared specifically,
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: like at least before there was the house thing. Or
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: something you could pin it on, but it didn't really
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: matter in that first one. That is true.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: He does see her when she goes to the house.
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: So they at least put in some sort of clumsy
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: excuse as to why he would know who she even was.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: And just enough to make it interesting, but not to
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: over-explain it. Where here we almost over-explain everything else that
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: we don't need, but we don't have a real reason
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: as to why, what his motivation is to be doing
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: all the things he's doing, except once again... Because they
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: know we're sitting in the audience and we need this
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: guy in that mask to go stab at her. We
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: need all these pieces to get pulled together. So here's
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: all the strings. We're going to set it all up,
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: even though it doesn't work. make sense.
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: Well, and so then what's the whole point of him
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: running around the neighborhood stabbing all those other people?
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: At least that part was interesting.
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: Is he on a singular mission or is he just
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: killing everybody and somehow ends up there? It doesn't make
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: any sense to have both.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying if it were one or the
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: other if he just went in that lady's house and
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: like while she walks around the corner and we just
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: did that for the next hour and it had nothing
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: to do with Laurie like that'd be kind of cool
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: like again as much as I feel like that those
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: kill scenes are unbalanced with who he used to be
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: like they're amazingly well choreographed once again something that works
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: well in this movie setting up those scenes and the
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: tension works in them and the choreography of him walking
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: in and her walking around the corner just in like
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: everything is timed perfectly so much so that again out
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: of context i love that scene it just doesn't make
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: any sense in this movie it's great about.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: The the one woman that he killed that had the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: baby uh which is a weird thing to say nothing
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: but what was great about that scene was she's on
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the phone oh i know there's this crazy killer out
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: there yeah i'm gonna lock my doors and you're sitting
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: here thinking that's too late you're you're 20 seconds too late,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: and oh, yep, there he is.
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: But again, it's almost us knowing that only because we
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: know the legend of Michael Myers, which, again, a random
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: dude who killed a handful of people 40 years ago
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: shouldn't have that much built up behind it, and yet
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: we have watched him kill hundreds of people in all
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: these sequels. So, again, it's kind of banking on that,
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: what we know about Michael Myers as an entity. As
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: the Halloween character that looms in our Target aisles every year.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: It's almost more about that than about the story in
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: that 78 movie, which would be nice since that's what
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: it's a sequel to. So we have really gone into
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: the new Loomis. What do you think, I guess, about
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: him as a whole and then the new Loomis twist?
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: In the beginning, I thought this is okay. I mean,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is not as.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: He seems, sympathetic's not the right word, but Loomis from
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: the start was, this guy's evil, there's nothing we can
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: do with him, there's no changing him. In this one,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: he was like, I want to understand Michael, I want
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: to understand why he does it. And then when the
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: twist came along, it seemed like something out of a,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: kind of like a movie from the 90s, if that
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: makes any sense.
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: Of course. A screenwriting handbook?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: A screenwriting handbook, yeah.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: Misdirection?
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Ha ha!
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: Twist! It really did seem like it was trying really
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: hard to do that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: He made a big deal about how, I want to
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: know how Michael feels. And it's like, I don't think
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: he feels anything.
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: It's like breathing for the rest of us. I mean, yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: To me, that was almost the only reason to do it.
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: Because that was my thinking midway in. I'm like, And
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: that's why I just keep calling him new Loomis. Cause
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: it's exactly what he is.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Well, they even refer to them.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: He keeps, yeah, you're the new Loomis. And like, but
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: even then, like he kept, I worked with him while
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: he was gone. Like, by the way, that guy's dead.
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: We couldn't get him to come back. So I'm the
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: new Loomis. So like, that's the underlying part of that
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: scene is like, yeah, yeah. We all know you can't
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: get the dead guy to come back.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: So it's like when they played the tape of Loomis speaking,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: did anyone else feel like they just chopped up random
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: words that, donald pleasance and said.
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: I kind of wondered if we got the last because
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: actually when they did like the right after he died
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: going into the next movie they play like a version
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: of what he had said from the first movie or
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: the second or something and they didn't they'd lost that
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: that audio of of pleasance actually reading that so they
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: got um what i'm trying to it was um we
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: had him on the show. Like I remember talking to him,
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: like he, he's a voiceover guy. Yeah. And like, he
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: just does a decent version of Donald Pleasance. And he
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: was like, okay, if you guys want me to. So
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: like he did a new version of Donald. So I
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: was like, could you not just get him to come
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: back and do that again? Cause that movie doesn't exist
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: now anyway.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: So the rhythm of that sounded like to me, I
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: think they, Okay.
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: They put it all into their Casio. It's like, I
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: am a Donald Pleasant.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, that would have been great in 1985.
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, you do like a little rap with it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: If it's 85, you know. Sure, yeah. We got to
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: have the fat boys doing the soundtrack.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, that would have been great.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: So, I don't know. I feel like that, in the beginning,
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: that felt almost too... easy like it was like well
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: we couldn't get Pleasance back so here's this new guy
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: to do exactly what he did.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Before exactly the same way talk just or tried to
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: talk like him.
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: And then like it almost swung the other way and
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: I'm like okay so now you're just doing the twist
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: so that we don't call you out for doing that
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: like it was just like haha you didn't see that
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: coming he's not just like him he's totally opposite of
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: him he wants to be the killer I was just
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: it seemed like it came out of nowhere like we
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: really didn't get enough of a lead in for it
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: to be believable. Like he seemed like we're buying him
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: as this other guy the whole time. And then one scene,
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: he just completely twists. Ha ha. I'm this guy. And
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: then he's gone almost immediately. So I'm like, what, what
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: was the point of all that? Except for a twist.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: The closest clue you get to that was where they're,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: he's at the house and the cops are putting the
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: jacket on him or whatever. You know, I felt like
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: he doesn't really seem too enthusiastic to try to stop
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: what's going on. You know, Whereas Loomis would have been like,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: tear the whole neighborhood apart, I don't care, we have
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to find him.
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: Again, in the movies that no longer exist, because we
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: don't get a ton of Loomis in that first one.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: Just that last third of the movie or so when
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: he comes in to try to shoot at him, but
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: Other than that, he's almost as creepy a looming presence
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: as Michael Myers hanging around this teenage girl, you know?
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: So it's like in the beginning, you're like, why is
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: he always there too? So like, we don't really get
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: a lot of the other stuff until the sequels, but like,
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: By the next three or four movies, like, he's equally
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: as insane. Like, he is so hellbent on stopping him that,
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: out of context, he seems like a lunatic.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: He is, yeah. Which is great.
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: Like, that's kind of what I love about that Donald
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: Pleasance performance is, like, how committed he is to, like,
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: This is my only goal. Once again, another character is like,
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: I don't really care what else. There is nothing else
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: in my life. This is my only pursuit is after
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: this guy. I love that.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: He's willing to burn himself alive. To that level.
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: I'm like, he is equally as much of a crazy person.
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: He's just doing it for seemingly better reasons on our
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: end because we're supposed to not side with the serial
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: killer even though we kind of do in most of
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: these movies anyway. So, Yeah, I don't know. I feel
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: like that guy didn't live up to the old Loomis
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: in the beginning, and then it seemed totally out of
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: the blue by the end, and then he's gone.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: It was so silly when he put the mask on.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's not frightening at all.
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: It was almost like you were expecting him to do it,
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: and you're like, if this is a terrible movie, he's
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: going to put the mask on, and then you're like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: damn it.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: Oops, you just made a terrible movie. Way to go.
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: Because it's the most cliche thing you could think of,
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: and then he does it, and you're like, shit.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 57:13
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  Speaker 7: This was one I just went into on the last episode,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: and I was kind of like, okay, I'm not going
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: to go too far into the Michael Myers end of it,
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  Speaker 7: because I know we're coming back. But in several episodes,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: we've been talking about how series of movies go on,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: and the series itself becomes more and more ridiculous. But specifically,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: this last time we were talking about how how impossible
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: it almost is to keep the main serial killer or
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: whoever our antagonist is in a serial killer kind of
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  Speaker 7: a movie as a scary creature. Like he's almost always
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: becomes the running joke of it all. You know, it's
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: like all of them kind of become silly. You know,
• 1:04:15
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  Speaker 7: better of most of them is A Nightmare on Elm Street.
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  Speaker 7: but Freddy is creepy as hell in that first one.
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  Speaker 7: A few movies later, he's the most wisecracking, silly cornball, like, ever. Granted,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: those are still fun movies, but it's not the same as, like,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: what was going on in that first movie. Even as
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: we get into the beginning of Jason versus in 8,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: you know, when he's taking Manhattan in space, you know,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: it's like, it knows that it's silly.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: He became a background, which I don't want to get
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: too much into this since we're on Halloween, but He
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: became a background character. In his own series.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: Which I still want to do an entire Jason episode. Right.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: So put that on the.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: But I'm just using all of these for... Because the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: one we talked about last week was Leprechaun. Oh my God.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: And like, Jason was saying how silly it was in general.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: And I was like, well, was it? Because that first one,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: I still feel like they were trying to do something creepy.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: It was still sillier than just about all of the others.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: But they were still trying in that first movie. And
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: then they realized, we're wasting our time. Let's just come
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: up with some one-liners. And again... He goes to space
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: and it becomes, he goes to the hood and hangs
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: out with Ice-T. So it all becomes like super silly.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: But Michael Myers never seems to get, like even in
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: all the sequels, he never took that tone. And even
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: the movies, like I guess the silliest it gets is
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: bringing in your favorite rapper of the moment. into the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: latest Michael Myers movie is a weird move that happened
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: a couple times in the middle there. So that's probably.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: I still think the move where they brought in the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: cult and his green goo comes out of his eyes
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: is still pretty silly, but.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I feel like that's an interesting thing
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: about this series versus all the other slashers is most
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: of the others become really silly... pretty quickly as the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: sequels start coming out and michael myers has had a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: 40 year run now and still like that's the one
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: that i feel like people are most creeped out by
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: when they see him like hanging out in the target
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: is like again it's like that one still holds something
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: really sinister that like i feel like the others kind
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: of joked their way out of but yeah i don't
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: know i was that was just something i was i
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: was wondering as we went in it like why is
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: he so different and I still.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Think he's a terrifying character, even in this movie, and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: even though I said we see too much of him. But,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: having said that, this one, I don't feel had the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: level of suspense that the first movie had. It is creepy,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: it is scary, but. you don't have that sense of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: dread the whole movie. Like, where is he? What's he doing?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Even when you know he's about to kill somebody, you're
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: still like, what's he going to do?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: And I feel like, I think I've said this before too,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: I feel like that first movie in 78 isn't about
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: Michael Myers. It is on some, but to me, that's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: also the one I will probably go to the most
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: for Halloween because everything feels like Halloween. Like just the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: scenes of them, walking back and forth and like the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: leaves on the trees and like, you know, them going
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: home from school, you know, it's the middle of the day.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: And yet it still seems like creepy October and the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: little kids running around trick or treating. Like it all
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: feels like a very October story. And it's about Halloween,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: not Michael Myers, the time of Halloween. And then we
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: go into the, the presence that is the boogeyman as
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: the boogeyman and just that. And like, it doesn't really
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: get caught up in the Michael Myers story at near
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: as much in that first movie. And I think that's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: why that one's so solid. Whereas every sequel after that
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: is the tale of Michael Myers.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Like it's all.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: About nothing but Michael Myers and let's dig into his
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: backstory and let's find out about his sister and let's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: see what other weird niece he had. And like everything
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: becomes more and more about let's overthink this whole Michael
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: Myers character versus that first one. Again, he's just sort
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: of there to be there. the presence and like to
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: show up and be terrifying and then disappear and like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: literally run away. And that's, I don't know. I think
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: that's why that worked so well in that first one.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: I just thought it was weird that we never went
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: down the silly road that all the other slashers seemed to.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: He couldn't crack one liners. Yeah.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: Can't talk, but neither can Jason.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Neither can Jason.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: And he does. I guess that's true. The way that
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: he kills people becomes a joke as you get into
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: the further secret.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: The funniest scene in all of those movies. And there
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: are funny scenes scattered throughout, six especially, but in Jason X,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: he's just bashing a girl to death in her sleeping
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: bag against a tree.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: It's my favorite kill i think yeah it's so damn
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: funny and again it's tied so well to the crystal
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: lake camping thing that i'm like what have you just
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: picked her up put her in a sleeping bag and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: back into a tree and he does but.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Michael myers kills aren't funny They're still terrifying. They're still terrifying.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: There's still that amount of realism that, oh yeah, somebody
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: could break into my house and cut me up with
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: a butcher knife.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: I think it is something about the simple brutality. Like
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: the fact that, again, that 78 version of him just
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: pinning that dude to the wall is unnerving versus... Jason
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: flying through space is like a way bigger production but
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: like it's not terrifying because it's such a big production
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: versus the simplicity of him just choking out a girl
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: with a telephone cord you.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Know it's like the the one that always gets me
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: is it's in the 78 when he strangles the girl
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: in the car because that scene goes on like it
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: just you're just watching her die and there's nothing you
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: can do to help her you know.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: Well it's one of those like i I think because
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: that scene is so well with PJ, like it goes
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: so well with PJ souls. I kind of forget. It's
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: the telephone cord. Like I'm so used to seeing him come.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: And again, that, that I guess is the most, it
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: doesn't even feel like it's done on purpose though. Like the,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: him in the, in the sheet is menacing, but I
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: feel like it's not even like something he did on purpose.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: Like it just seems like something he did to walk
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: into the room and But again, it doesn't seem overly
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: thought out or planned.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: And it's kind of funny. And he doesn't do a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: good job. He's not tricking her. She immediately was like, hey, jackass,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: where's my beer? Quit standing there like a creep. Get
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: over here. So he's not fooling her at any point.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: It's just menacing enough, but it doesn't seem like out
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: of character for the little character that he actually has.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: But then, yeah, that scene then goes on, and then
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: I kind of forget, oh, yeah, he just strangles her.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: And again, not a short scene. It's an extended, it
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: takes a long time.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: To strangle somebody. I was talking about the other scene
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: with the other girl. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: Both of them are like, neither are a quick, fun kill.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: They're a closer version to a real... trying to strangle someone.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: It's not really that easy. Even if you're a giant
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: Michael Myers guy, like it's going to take a minute.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: So like we're there. And I think that's part of
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: what makes it creepy is we're kind of hanging there
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: that whole time being like, Oh God, this is still
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: going on where, you know, most of your Jason kills,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: it's a machete to the head and we move on. Like,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: so it, there is something I think a little more
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: brutal about the simplicity of his kills in the early
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: ones that never really get too, I don't know. I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: haven't seen a lot of the sequels in a while,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: so I don't remember him ever getting Jason or Freddy
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: level of extreme over the top craziness.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I thought there was a lot of gore in this movie. Like,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with gore in movies, but
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I felt like for this series there was a bit
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: too much. I won't say a bit. I mean, they
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: relied on the gore factor a lot. And I was like,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: that doesn't really fit in with Again.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: I think it's that same thing. I think if we're
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: picking up 40 years and nine movies in, it's probably
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: about right. It kind of fits with the movies that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: we would be making today.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: So again, if it were a reboot, it would be fine.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: I feel like it's like, yeah, that's where we would
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: be if we were starting this new story about a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: serial killer now. But because we've taken out everything in
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: the middle and we're just doing bookends of like 78
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: and now, like, okay, now it seems really out of context.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: And now it seems, again, somebody who barely killed anybody
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: in that first movie is now just gory, tearing people apart. Which, again,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: like within those moments is effective and it's cool from
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: a horror movie standpoint, but doesn't balance out with that
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: other movie.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: Like, did he just kill that entire bus full of
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: people on his transfer just by himself?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: Except the ones that were wandering the street when they
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 7: pulled up.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: Which I kind of like that. I was like, well,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 7: how many other movies just happened? That guy just wandered
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: off over there. That's what I want to see. What's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 7: his story? Let's go follow that guy for a movie.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: The spin-off.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought that was a good touch because now,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good way to cover up, oh, hey, I'm,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: you know. It's like, oh, we have a busload of
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: escaped lunatics wandering the town on Halloween.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: That little exchange is kind of fun. Yeah. Again, we
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 7: haven't really addressed that other cop that gets carried into
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: it sort of like, he was there. They keep bringing
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: up that he was there that night.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Which initially I was, oh yeah, okay, let's bring one
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: of the cops from the first one. Could be interesting.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Because this is going to be the only person who's
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: going to listen to Lori. Yeah. Then they bring in
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: the weird sheriff with the cowboy hat.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: I liked him as a character, but there seemed like
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: no reason for him to be there. And then he
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: disappeared and had absolutely nothing to do. What little time
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: we spent with him, I'm like, he seems like there's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: potential there that they could do something with him, but
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: we don't really get that. The boogeyman.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 13: All this hiding, all this preparation, it was for nothing.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 8: It took priority over your family. It cost you your family.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 13: If the way I raised your mother.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 13: Means that she hates me, but that she's prepared for
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 13: the horrors of this world, then.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: I can live with that.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 13: Say goodbye to Michael and get over it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: So I don't know. It is one of those, I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: feel like, because I feel like they are trying to
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: seemingly do something more with this movie. It seems like
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: they're trying to present a bigger story because like I said,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 7: I feel like at first movie is super simple and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: it's not about Michael Myers and it's not about his
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: story arc. It's just a weird story that takes place
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: on Halloween where this seems like it's very much about the,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: the sort of mixture of Michael Myers story arc and
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: Laurie picking up 40 years later, crazy story arc. And,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: and again, like they're trying to say something with it,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: What is it that they're doing? What is the purpose
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 7: of this movie and of picking up the story and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: both the characters, specifically Laurie, now? Like, why 40 years...
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: Other than the real world money grab, which worked, by
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: the way. But, like, as a story, like, why do
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: you need to tell this story and why do you
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: need to tell it now, 40 years later? I mean,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: that's what I've been trying to figure out.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Is there.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: Is there a purpose to this tale?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: It's like they tried to go that way a couple times,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: like I said earlier about with the whole PTSD thing.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: And then with the granddaughter, when the friend of the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: boyfriend tries to kiss her, and she's like, no, I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: don't want that, back off. I thought, well, okay, that's
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: a hot topic, too, that sort of thing. Very hot topic.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: And I thought, well, here's where they're going to address that.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: But it fell flat, like Two seconds later.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: Or someone was immediately murdered. Well, I mean, that is
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 7: a way to deal with it, I suppose.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they were trying to set up a whole bunch
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 8: of different things and then never actually went with any
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: of those things. And then, I don't know if we
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: want to jump to this already, but the ending where
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 8: he's breathing and it's just like, okay, great, fine.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: He's still alive.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm fine with him still being alive. I'm fine
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: with there being a cliffhanger ending Because that worked, you know,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: the first time around. But the way they have him
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: trapped in the burning basement, and there is no way
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: to get out of that basement. And he's just gone,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: just disappeared. And it's like, okay, well, that was okay.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: It's like, well, is he even a real person? Or
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: is it just this supernatural thing? But if he is,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: then he's been in this mental asylum for 40 years
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 8: and hasn't been.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 7: Able to do anything. Again, that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: If he has some sort of supernatural powers, why wouldn't
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: he just zap his way out of there and go
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: murder people?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: They made such a big deal leading up to this
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: movie about how we're taking all the supernatural, all the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: son of thorn or whatever, taking all that out. It
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: never happened.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: And he's just a lunatic. And he's just a killing machine.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: But yet they still kind of hint, well, maybe he
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: is supernatural. Because he never sees the mask at the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: beginning of the movie. But, oh, he feels it. And
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: all the other inmates start going crazy. Like he's bleeding
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: off this energy. And the dog starts barking. And then
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: he disappears at the end.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: And there was.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: There was something else I wanted to address, but I forgot.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: It had to do with the supernatural element of it.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: Well, again, that's when the others start to get weirder
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: and weirder too, which he's never... He's always still been
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: a guy in the mythology of these last movies that
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: don't exist. But like Jason, pretty quickly, they were just like,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: he's dead. He's back again. He's a zombie. He's more
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: than a zombie. He's a supernatural creature that the government
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: wants to study because he keeps rejuvenating and we don't
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: understand why. Where I'm like, we never got that from
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: Michael Myers. but now like.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Well they they bring up in this one which i
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: was glad that they they they brought this up where
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: they were like he's just got that determination that's why
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: you can't kill him he is so freaking determined Perseverance.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: You just can't keep a good killer down. I also
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: think in 78 that was a new concept. Oh, this
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: guy's been shot in the head, but he won't stop. Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: And now it's become so you have to explain everything.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: That's why it's.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: So hard to do what they did. And that's why
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: I questioned it from the beginning. Because so much of
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: what happened in that first movie is... like it's not
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: the first time it's done i will still give more
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: credit to black christmas than most people do sure but
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: even before that there's movies that are doing kind of
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: that you know the the fright or whatever it is
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: is doing the babysitter stocking to like all of these
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: movies from like 70s on started leading us down this
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: road but nothing had done it quite the way and
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: then had perfectly done everything the way that carpenter does
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: in that 78 movie But that was also when everything
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: coming into play was sort of still new. So now
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: that we've watched it for 40 years get done over
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: and over and over again, not just in the Halloween movies,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: but in every other knockoff that came after it, it's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: like you can't, like there's no novelty to any of that.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: You're not exploring new ground anymore. So you've really got
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: to come up with something groundbreaking to do if we're
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: going to continue this story and not have it just
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: be a rehash of stuff that we've not only seen before,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: we saw it in 78, but now we've seen it
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: a million times over since then, so that none of
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: this feels really original in the basic overview of it all.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, it's another serial killer movie that we've
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: seen a whole bunch of crazy slasher versions of this before.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I don't know what they're trying to do.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: I almost like the middle portion because that's the thing.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: I thought they were going to go super easy on
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 7: the Laurie character where she was just going to be
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: a badass. Like she was just like when she first
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 7: when they first start talking to her in the three
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 7: thousand dollar interview that like she like just seems like
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: I'm just old and crotchety and pissed off and I
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: want to kill Micah Myers. And at the end of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: the movie, I'm probably going to do that. So like
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: I did like by the time she gets to the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 7: dinner in the middle, I'm like, oh, no. She's a
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: full-blown alcoholic. She's got PTSD. All of these issues and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: the fact that she couldn't even hold it together. She
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: starts crying in public. I'm like, no, no. She's gone
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: off the deep end. But then they kind of drop
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: that ball. I'm like, I would like to see a
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: broken version of her. That makes sense that she would
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: be broken. But then she just kind of, again, it
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: swings back the other way. And we're like, oh yeah,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: I'm going to go start cleaning my guns because I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: got a finale to deal with. So it's like it
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: forgets all that again. And it comes back to the
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: super conventional ending of I want the good girls to win.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: So we've got to kill this guy. Like, I don't know.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: I feel like it had potential in that middle part
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: where she seems like she was falling apart. the daughter
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: seems like she's kind of stepping up to be like, look, mom,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: you got to get your shit together. So again, it
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: would have been nice for the daughter to take a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: bigger role. She does come into play in the end there,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: but I've kind of, it would have been way more
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: interesting for her to sort of take over as mom
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 7: is losing it and like deal with the situation and
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: protect her daughter because that's the maternal thing that kicks
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: in is like, I'm going to take care of this situation.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: And I'm not crazy. Like I grew up in a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: messed up household, but I've managed to keep some sort
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: of sanity. And like, I, again, just watching her deal
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: with that would be a better way to go. Or
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: even just watching Lori have to deal with the issues
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: instead of then them all disappearing again by the end
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: of the movie. And she's just kind of pissed off.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: And like, I don't know. I feel like it changes
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: quite a bit in that last, by the time we
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 7: get in the house, don't get me wrong. I want
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: that hidden secret safe room with the sliding doors. island
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: i i really want one of those i might be
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: a survivalist too i just can't afford it but that
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: was pretty cool so i'm just like there's potential there
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: to do something but it just seems otherwise very conventional
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 7: yeah the way that it wraps up well and.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: She's like spent the past 40 years being terrified of
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 8: this thing and getting ready for it. And then I
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 8: felt like I wanted to see her like bash his
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 8: head in, like make sure he's dead. You're just going
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 8: to leave him in that room and close the door
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 8: and hope that like, hope he burns. Like girl, she
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: should just have gone in there. And that's like, I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 8: feel like that would have made more sense too. And
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: that like, or watch her ready for.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: It or watch her completely and utterly go over the edge.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: If we didn't see her do it earlier in the movie,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: which I still think would be kind of interesting. if
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: that became the ending, is she snaps. She, again, to
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: steal from another movie, she pulls a Tommy and just
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: starts wailing on his dead body to the point that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: when we come back in this next sequel that I'm
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: sure we will get because it made a fortune, she
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: is the new person we need to be scared of.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: She is the new potential serial killer because she has
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: gone so far over the edge that, again, I think
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: that would have been a way more interesting ending. But
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: I said that about the Scream series too. I think
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: they dropped the ball on that fourth one with that.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: They really did.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: Of not really going full on with making this new...
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: That's what I thought would have been really cool with
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: that series is changing gears. We've spent these three movies
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: following this little core group of people that want to
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: stop the ghost face. Well, we get this new character
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: in the fourth one and I'm like, what if she
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 7: is a total nutball? Because she is. Emma Roberts is amazing.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: And then, like, what if we just follow her in
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: the next movie? What if it changes gears to more of, like,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: an American Psycho and, like, we're watching the next couple
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: of sequels from her perspective? Like, what movie series changes
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: perspective from the victims to the killer like that? Like,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: that would be a really interesting thing to do. And
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: I think it's so unconventional that a studio and writers
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: and directors would be afraid to do it because you'd
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: lose your audience. But I'd rather see that than a
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: rehash of something we've already seen.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 7: So what if we did that with Laurie? Like what
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: if she just goes crazy, wails on him, totally destroys
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: him in this movie. And then the next movie, she
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: becomes the new mass killer because she's out of her
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: damn mind now. So I, Or we're visiting her in
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: an asylum.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: Imagine an ending shot of her just covered in blood
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 8: coming up and staring wildly and then cut and that's it.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: That would have been such a better ending. Or what
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: if the ending shot is we're pulling away from the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: daughter visiting her in the same checkerboard asylum as she's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: sitting out there chained in the middle of fucking nowhere.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, literally anything.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 7: Literally anything in her ending.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: If she kills him, what does she do next? Because
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: that's been her whole... life yeah so what is left
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: for lori which is.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: Why i thought it was potentially like when she was
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: sitting there behind the wheel of the car drinking i'm
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 7: like so is she about to go take care of
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: this like it really has been your mission up to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: this point but he's been locked away you couldn't do
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: anything about it he's out in the world now even
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: if he's on that bus supposedly under protective whatever you
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: can get to him You can go deal with it. Really,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: I thought that point was going to get way more interesting.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: And again, that seems like where she... If she were, again,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: kind of hanging on the edge, if that would be
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: the time of like, okay, I've waited most of my
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: life to go deal with this. Let's go deal with it. Again,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 7: you don't even have the worry about, oh, are they
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: going to lock me up? She knows she's getting older
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: at this point. She's like, I don't care. I've spent
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: my training for this. If the rest of my life
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: is behind bars... I don't care. I will have dealt
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: with my problem. Like that would be an interesting way
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: to go with it. But again, we pass that point
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: and then the whole rest of it, she just.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I was even okay with her having that little breakdown
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: in that moment.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: I think that had potential.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It could have gone any number of directions.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 8: It went the worst one.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: So I don't know. Like I don't, I didn't want
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: to just, do this episode to bash on it, but
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: we have many reasons. Like again, I feel like it,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 7: it works in its own weird broken way in little pieces.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: And I think for people who don't know any better,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: cause this is something I was thinking as I was
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: leaving with my, it was probably fine. I was also
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: trying to put myself in because they're also doing this
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: as a dealing with a whole new batch of people.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 7: So if we're doing it almost as sort of a
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: semi reboot, uh, Like if we're bringing in a whole
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: new bunch of kids who have not seen the other one,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: because I thought that at the time, and then I
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: met someone today who is a friend of mine, but
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: we hadn't talked a ton about movies lately. They went
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 7: and saw it this past weekend. He was like, I
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: liked it. He's like, but I haven't seen the first one.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: So I mean, from what I could tell, it worked
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: really well. And that's what I'm like, yeah, you're the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 7: perfect demographic. You're exactly who the studio is going for,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: is kids who know it, from the Halloween outfit, from
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: the costume that they get at the store every year,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 7: more so by its legacy versus the 78 movie that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 7: we're supposed to be booking.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I will say this. If you haven't seen the
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: original and you go see this movie, you're not going
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: to be stuck there going, I have no idea what's
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Because they explain it fairly well enough. Okay, yeah, 40
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: years ago, this guy killed a bunch of people. Now
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: he's been locked up.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: I also don't think it's going to... be an issue
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: with you at all if you're even a modern era
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: horror movie fan because i think it plays like a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: modern horror movie which again is probably what the studio
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: and everyone was going for but i wonder are those
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: people that grew up and didn't watch it like if
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 7: they go back and watch the 78 one now are
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 7: they gonna find it massively slow because so little happens.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Comparatively i will admit the first time i watched the
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: 78 version when i was in high school or college
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: around that age was like this is really slow and
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: kind of hokey because of what i had to compare
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: it to yeah and then when i went back and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: re-watched it and actually for lack of a better word
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: studied it a little more i was like okay i
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: see what they're going for now and now i get.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: It yeah i mean i still feel like that first
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: movie is if there are a few horror masterpieces it
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: is sure But, again, you get a totally different perspective
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 7: if you're a kid that grew up with everything else
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 7: that has come after it and all of the baggage
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 7: that comes with the Michael Myers character. So if you
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: really didn't pay any attention to all that, you just
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 7: know of it through pop culture osmosis. And then you
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: go see this movie and that's your only exposure, you're
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: probably going to be fine.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: I feel like you're just going to be like, yep,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 7: there was a lot of kills. There was a big
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: masked dude. He killed people. I don't know that they're
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 7: going to have as many issues. They should with just
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: the basic structure and the writing end of it.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I kept trying to turn off my knowledge of everything
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: of Halloween that I know about. But I still just
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: kept coming back to what we've talked about. It's like
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: the coincidences were too easy. The characters could have done this,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: but instead they do this.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: I feel so much of the writing... come into play
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: versus just sitting there and watching it and then experiencing it.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 7: But I feel like it's so from the writer who
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: knows the audience, who knows the situation, like it, it
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: all seems super made up to be part of that, to,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: to tap into the legacy of Michael Myers that we
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: all know that I don't think, you know, there is
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: no way to do that in the 78 version because
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: there isn't anything like you're creating everything from scratch there.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 7: where here you've got so much, I mean, granted, it's
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 7: a much bigger job because there's so much baggage that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: comes with taking this on now, but I can't, I just,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: I feel like there's so, so much heavy handed plotting
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 7: from a screenwriting standpoint, because we needed to work from
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: a screenwriting standpoint. Like it's not for the development of
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: the characters. It's for the development of the screenplay. Like that's,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: That's what I kept finding most issues with was everything
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: felt forced to fit into this mold that we know
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: we want it to look like and feel like as
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: we're sitting there in the theater.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 8: Well, and it's like, do you want a new horror
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 8: movie for a new generation? Or do you want something
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: tied to this first one? Because they had elements of like,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: this all happened 40 years ago. And here's this recording
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 8: of Loomis. And, you know, if you're watching the babysitter
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 8: scene and you've think it's in one of those houses
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: from the original, you know, that would be only a
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: callback that you would get if you had seen the
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: first one. So it's like, are you like giving that
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: out for the fans of the original one? Or is
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: this a whole, again, it was just like, pick one guys.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: It's confusing.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: And if we wanted a full on reboot, like throwing
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 7: all the rules of the old one out the window.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, that was one of the things I hated
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 7: so much about that Rob Zombie, that first movie was,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 7: is that it totally ripped off the storyline. It totally
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: did the remake thing of rehashing everything we'd already seen before.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: but it also robbed it of anything good that was
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: going on in that 78 movie and changed it all.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: So if you want it to be a completely rebooted
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: to the point where it kind of does it for
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: something that sticks almost exactly to the plot, the tone
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 7: of everything goes out the window. When now we know
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: everything about Michael Myers from the time he's born, we
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: learn how much he isn't the boogeyman, but the product
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: of white trash upbringing in the middle of a trailer park,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: like because Rob zombies obsessed with that world for some reason.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 7: But again, he took all of that stuff that we
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 7: knew about the Michael Myers series and threw it out
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: the window. And people didn't really respond. I mean, they
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 7: made money, but they're still fans of it. But I
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: feel like nobody latched onto it like, this is it.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 7: This is my Michael Myers. They're just like, I like
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: that movie. And they like most of the cast. And
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: they've gone on to have a pretty big run of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: people that came out of that and did a lot
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: more horror. So it's like, I'm all for like what
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: came of it. I just did not like that first one.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: The second one's actually way more interesting because it does
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: not feel like a Michael. Like again, if he wouldn't,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: I guess the studio maybe forced him into doing another
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: one because I feel like I'd heard he didn't even
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: want to do a second one and they were just like, look,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: if you want to make any more movies, you got
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: to make this for us first. So he's like, okay,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: how about if I make my own weird killer movie?
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: And for the most part, it's not going to be
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: Michael Myers. And then eventually he'll put the mask on,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 7: but like, it does not play like a Michael Myers movie.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 7: That killer doesn't seem like he doesn't wear the mask
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 7: 90% of the movie. Like it is its own weird
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: offshoot thing that to me works way better as a
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: serial killer, kind of a movie than the first one,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: because the first one's so busy trying to follow the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: story beats in that second half of what we already
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 7: saw in the 78 movie, even though the tone of
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 7: it doesn't match at all. So I'm like, again, if like,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 7: if we wanted to go totally different than the 78 version,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: we've already had that too, which didn't work in my opinion.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: But again, we've already seen that. So that's why I'm like,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: I don't know what we're supposed to get out of
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: this one because it's like, you can't stick too close
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: to what we've already seen and make the exact copy.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: Cause we don't really need that. We already did a
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: full-on reboot that doesn't feel like that other one. And
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: we're done with that, obviously, because we've started a whole
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: new thing again. So what is the point of... That's
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: why I kept saying, like, why are we making this
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: movie and why are we making it now?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: The only thing I could come up with is the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: 40th anniversary.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Which is why we got H2O, because it was the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: 20th anniversary. And now I'm scared about what the 60th
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: anniversary of this movie is going to be.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: Oh, Laurie's going to look rough. Yeah. I think that's
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 7: the only thing that probably sold everybody on it was
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 7: the bringing Laurie back thing.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Sure. That's why I was excited. And I agree.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 7: Except we've already done that with her a couple of times.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 7: We already worked into it. That's why I was like,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: everything they kept doing, I'm like, but you're going against
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: stuff you already did and then you want to throw
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: everything out the window at the same time.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like H2O, while it wasn't a masterpiece by
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, I feel like it worked
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: better Than this one.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: It feels like it was in that same series. Yeah,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: it feels like... And at that point, they didn't throw
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: everything out except three. So he had been killing all
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: this time. We had worked up to that point. The
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: kills seemed like they matched up because we'd spent another
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: decade or so of watching him kill a bunch of people.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: He'd racked up all these other weird... This body count
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 7: to the point that he was sort of this... legendary
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: almost urban legend kind of a story of like this
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: masked guy is gonna like they're kind of saying that
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: stuff in h2o the kids in the school know about
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: the legend of michael right so it does feel like
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 7: it fits this 20 years later of this legendary killer
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 7: out there and like he had become almost urban legend
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: at that point and that fit within that story whereas
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: here It's more grounded, I guess. He's not an urban legend.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: He's just a sad news story. It's like, remember 40
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: years ago when that guy killed some girls? And weathered
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: up next. Like, it really feels like it's kind of
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: like a footnote. And like, even the kids in the
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: high school are like... making my point like the the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 7: that's the one time i don't hate the douchey boyfriend
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: he's like when he's saying the exact line or no
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: was that the friend that was the friend when they
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: were walking home and he's like he's saying the same
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 7: things i'm sitting in the audience thinking i'm like yeah
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: that was like 40 years ago and he only killed
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 7: a few people and in the world we live in
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 7: today is that really a big deal and i'm like
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: well kind of got a point in your own movie
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: you're kind of pulling the rug out from your own
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: movie here because yeah And it's almost making that point of, like,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: in all these other movies where we kill 20, 30 people,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: this guy knocked out a couple of babysitters and a
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: random dude. And, like, is it a big deal? And, like,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 7: it should be. Like, thematically, any death we should be
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: disturbed by. But when you're hardened by all these horror
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 7: movies over the years, are we really?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: I think that was another misstep that they made. Like,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: they were trying to put social commentary in this movie.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Which can be a wonderful thing when it's done properly.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: When done smoothly. But it's very, yeah, it's so hard
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: to do it well and so easy to just throw
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: it in your face and not have it really accomplish anything.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 7: Which is kind of what we get there. But I
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 7: did think it was funny that it is the exact
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: same that was occurring to me as we were about
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: that far in the movie. And I'm then hearing someone
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 7: on the screen say it. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 7: you've kind of got a point.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: That's sort of what I was saying too. So it's
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: really weird that it's occurring to you in the movie
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: world as well as me. I don't know. So what
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: is our takeaway on this? Where have we landed? And
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: are we, again, I was going to ask if you
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 7: made it all the way to the breathing because then
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 7: I was like, cause I was the only one in
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: the theater. I'm like everyone else left. Because I guess
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: it wasn't a Marvel movie, so they didn't stick around.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 7: But I was like, I kind of want to see
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: if they bothered. to put anything else in here and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 7: then there's just again super subtle i guess especially if
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: you're out in the lobby already you didn't notice so
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 7: they certainly leave themselves an open door there to be
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 7: like aha see we told you in this one Or
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 7: if it would have tanked, they would have been like, no,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: he's dead. If they made no money, it would be like, see,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 7: we capped it off. It was two movies and that
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 7: was it.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did stick around for that because I'm the
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: sort of geek who sits through credits anyway. Because those
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: people worked hard on the movie.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: And even though I'm not reading it, I still feel
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: like they deserve credit.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 7: Actually, I did. Special shout out. Did you see one
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 7: of the teachers in the school? And it must not
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: have been a super close up because I didn't see her.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 7: But in the credits, I'm like, PJ Souls was one
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 7: of the teachers.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: No way.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 7: I love PJ Souls.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: And that scene when they were in the classroom, was
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: that supposed to be the same teacher doing the lecture
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: of whatever she's reading out of?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 7: I'll have to go back and watch, I guess. It
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: just means I have to watch this movie again.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Stuck around for the credits and I feel like this
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: shows how we've gotten, how people have gotten as an audience.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Because the credits end, you hear the breathing and there's
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: like 30 people still around. And I hear one woman scream,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: that's it? I waited through this and that's all you
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: gave me? So I feel like this shows where we've
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: gotten because of the Marvel movies. You know, how we've
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: gotten as an audience, how we react to.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: Well, that was my favorite was, again, them being so
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 7: far in and realizing they'd created that, that even they're
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 7: making their own joke about that. I think it's homecoming when, like,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 7: the Captain America running the scene. And he comes out
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 7: of the end and is like, Disappointment. You ever been
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 7: waiting and you're just like, wow, is this really all
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 7: I've been? Like, it's him making the comment about the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: stupid after-the-credit scenes in the after-the-credit scene. So, again, like,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 7: even the Marvel movies became self-aware of, like, yeah, look
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: at the monster we've created with this. Now we have
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: to come up with something or people get pissed off.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it used to be this handful of movies that
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: you'd like Ferris Bueller. You'd get something at the end.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: It was like, oh, cool. I'm glad I stuck around
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: for that. Now it's like, oh, I gotta stick around.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: I just want to go out to the bathroom.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: And movie credits have gotten so long.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 7: And I understand why. There's 10 billion digital people doing
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: a job somewhere.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: One thing I did like about this movie, and this
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: tells you how, this is, This is my favorite thing.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: This tells you, but was the, the opening credit sequence
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: mirrored the original sequence, except it was the pumpkin, which
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, this is a metaphor. Oh, we're breathing
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: new life into the series. Cause the pumpkin goes from
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: being rotted to like being healthy again. And, I thought, oh, great.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: And then about halfway through, it's like, oh, I don't
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: like that metaphor anymore.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just so overwhelmed by my Judgment Day thing.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 7: It really stuck with me through the movie, like during
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: the movie. I'm like, it really feels like almost lifted.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 7: And granted, I mean, Cameron kind of got called out
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 7: for lifting that first idea. But to me, this is
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 7: lifting directly from that second movie. And I feel like
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: we have so many similarities of her. Again, a crazy
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: killer trying to kill her. She survives. She loses loved ones.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: She grows up to be bitter. And everything is about
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: the future and preparing for this inevitable thing that's going
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: to happen and becoming super militant about it. And it
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 7: just felt so close to that that it was weird.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: If we talk about how many of our favorite movies
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: have lifted, we're going to be here for a while.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: But there's a subtle way to do it and a
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: way where you're saying, oh, this is a good idea.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to grow on this. And then there's just...
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Remember Judgment Day? That's a good movie.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: Let's do that.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much of that sort of
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: thing in this movie.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 8: That little boy was really cute.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was cute.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: I like that kid.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 8: Shout out to that kid.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Did anyone notice in the scene where he's in the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: room with the baby in the crib and it's crying
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: when he looks down at the baby, it stops crying.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: And then as soon as he walks away, it starts
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: crying again. Did anyone else pick up on that?
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 15: Because he has a connection with babies. Turns out he's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 15: a great babysitter. That's the irony of this.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: He has to kill babysitters, but turns out he's a
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: great babysitter.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: That was the other potentially supernatural thing I was trying
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: to think of earlier.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 7: He's like Aquaman, except with babies.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 7: He can talk to babies and be like, it's okay.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Well which backs up what i've always said which is
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: babies are evil that is also a very potential situation.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 8: What if the next halloween movie was a michael myers baby.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 7: I hope up here that's adorable like a toddler version
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 7: just enough to walk And kind of hold a butcher knife,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 7: but fall over every few seconds.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, that's a great idea. Somebody make that.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Can you work in a pacifier through the mask?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 7: Just a sucking like a Lisa's.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 8: And it has a knife on the other end.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. I think we're writing a pretty awesome sequel
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 7: right here.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 8: We missed a lot of opportunity.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 7: And then I guess if, well, truthfully, if this is the.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 7: Halloween 2 in this series. That means next up we
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 7: gotta go right to 3. Let's bring in some Season
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 7: of the Witch insanity.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: Which they did show a couple of the masks during
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: the trick-or-treating sequence.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 7: Which was a nice little... At the time, I was like,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 7: that's a nice little shout-out for old-school fans, but yet not.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for them to drive past the Cloverfield factory.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 7: But it was subtle enough. It's like, if you've never
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 7: seen that movie, you don't even notice. So it's not
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: hitting you over the head with it. But if you
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: are an old school fan, there's a little treat for you.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: So it's like we could have used a little more
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: of that subtlety that we don't quite get in this.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: I did like at the beginning of the movie when
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: they show the mask, it's like, hey, wait, that's the
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: hole where she stabbed him with the hanger.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: I was like, well, they got that.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: It's like they got that detail, right? What else is
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: going to... And then they show the scar on his neck.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't really... Because we don't get much of it,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: which I thought was kind of a cool that we'd
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: never really get to see his face. But in what
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: little part we do, do we see that he is
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 7: actually missing that eye?
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: I think it showed it kind of clouded over.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: I also feel like they tease you too much with, oh,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: we're going to show his face. No, we're not. After
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: the second time, I was like, just don't bring.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: This up anymore.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 7: Again, that would almost be cool of making him a
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: real world person and not a supernatural character. Because even
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 7: in that first movie, as a kid, I was just like, Dude,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: he just kept going. It was amazing. Same thing with
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 7: falling out the window and just disappearing, which I will
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: give them credit when they did their mirror version of
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: that 40 years later. Like, alright, it's a nice little
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: shout out again. I get it.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Why was that room the only room in the house
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: that didn't have bars on the window? And I know
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: they make a big deal about how the house is
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: actually a trap. He's going to climb up the roof.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 7: She knew she was going to fling herself out the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 7: window at some point. That was because she had it
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 7: so elaborately planned that The place that he wasn't even
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 7: supposed to know about, she booby-trapped to trap him in it. Right. Again,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 7: to me, all of that was so, this only works
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: because you wrote it in school blood. Otherwise, it makes
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 7: no sense.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: When they show that big open window with the curtains billowing,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I wanted to just stand up in the theater. Which,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: the showing I saw would not have been in a
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: place because everybody was talking.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: See, I didn't know that.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: But they tended to enjoy the movie better than I did.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: But I got such... I mean, I would have been
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: lost without the people behind me because they were like,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: that's his mask. And he's going to pick up that knife.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: And then a few minutes later, he's going to stab
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: that girl. It's like I would have no clue.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: Whoa, thank you. Getting a lot of clip notes here.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: This is great.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: I would have never pieced this complicated plot.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Together without you guys. Which at the time was irritating,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: but in retro, once the movie was done, I was like, yeah,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: at least these guys were kind of entertaining.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 8: Speaking of people in the theater. In mine, a woman
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 8: came in and brought her five or six-year-old daughter.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: There were a ton of kids.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: I forgot we were supposed to address that. You seemed
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 7: really put out by that.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 8: I literally was having trouble focusing on the movie because
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 8: I was just like, this tiny child is watching this
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 8: right now.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 7: That's around the age of a little Michael Myers. And
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: you see how he turned out.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: He was just fine. I'm glad you brought that up because...
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: When I was 10, 11, 12 years old, whatever, I
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: had to sneak around to watch these movies because my
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: parents were like, there's no... And I would be like,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: when I get older and I have kids, they can
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: watch whatever they want. And then I would see like 8, 9, 10.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck is going on here? It's
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: like this is... People are going... You know going into
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: it that people are going to die horribly. And granted,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: with the way the world's gotten, maybe that's not such
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: a bad thing anymore.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: In today's world, aren't there worse things to worry about? Actually,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: on a recent episode, I brought up the fact that
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 7: I don't think anybody seemed to be policing my viewing habits.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: As a child.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 7: And you see how I turned out. So you're proving,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: I'm proving your point right there. don't let your children
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 7: watch whatever the hell they want because look look at
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: me look at me nobody needs this so yeah you
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: own a car you have an apartment i'm surviving barely
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: but barely i mean i.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Have questioned whether or not you've got people under the
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: floorboards but i've stopped caring we.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 7: I put a new floor in here just to cover
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 7: up the body.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 8: Nobody knows what happened with the closet door.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 7: That is what had, that's why I had to move
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: from that old place because there was a really nice
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 7: crawl space when I got there, but it fills up quick.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Fills up quick.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 7: Fills up quick. So you got to relocate pretty regularly. Anyway.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 7: That's a more interesting murder than what we got here.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 8: Someone call Jamie Lee Curtis.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 7: Oh, then I have to go climb into her basement
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 7: that I don't know exists.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: I was surprised we didn't get any... Or maybe we
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: did and I just didn't notice them. But there was
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: no Activia product placement.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: I heard somebody... One of the late night shows made
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: an Activia joke. And I was like, yeah, yeah. That's
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 7: really probably Michael's problem. If he just was a little
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: more regular, he probably wouldn't be all pent up.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: He's drinking Diet Pepsi all over the place. Because he
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: was making those commercials at the time.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, they wanted a tab, but you know.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: And I am glad that, because if you look at
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis, the person now, beautiful woman. And in
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: this movie, they have her, I mean, you can see
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: the stress, the way she's made up. The stress is
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: weighted on her. She's frazzled.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: But at least she has real hair. Yeah.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: Why?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: And this is a question for everyone out there. Why
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: does every old lady get old lady hair? Which just
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 7: means the shortest haircut they can get. And I have questioned. Everybody, like,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 7: it's just too much trouble. I just had to get
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: rid of it all. And I'm like, some of those
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 7: old lady haircuts, it's not a good idea. I'm just
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 7: telling you. There's only one woman of a certain age
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 7: that I know that still has really long hair and
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 7: she always puts it up. And she still constantly talks
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 7: about cutting it all. And I'm like, for the love
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 7: of God, please don't. And the few times I will
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 7: see her with that, I'm like, that looks so good.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 17: Why?
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: Why does every old lady get a weird Jamie Lee
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 7: Curtis old lady haircut?
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Stop doing that.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: That's just my opinion. I'm not... That's like older ladies.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like it works.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 7: It's not.
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  Speaker 8: He likes the long hair.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 7: But it's not like.
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  Speaker 1: But it works for Jamie Lee.
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  Speaker 8: Women over 60.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 7: It's rare that you see somebody who gets to be
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: like 60 and still has long hair. Like every old
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: lady in the real... I'm not even talking movies.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking in.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: The real world.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: They all like... Look at this new fancy do I got.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, of course it's going to be short.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 14: Why?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: Who talks to you? It's like a deal at the
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: cut place.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 7: Look at the coupon. You're an old lady.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's a requirement to collect your social security.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you got to cut all your hair off. I
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 8: It's probably safer because then he couldn't grab it.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Or are you looking forward to that day? Because you've
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: got long, beautiful hair now. And you're like, as soon
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: as I hit 60... Can't.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: Wait till I buzz cut this shit.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 8: No, I want to be like one of those hippie
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: ladies with really long braids.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: Again, it's not even... Again, I have no take on it.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: It's not my hair. You can do whatever the hell
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 7: you want with it. But it's like, it's the fact
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 7: that it's not like an unusual thing. It became like
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 7: a cliche thing of like, so many people i was
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: like is it like a weird thing is it really
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: like everyone just hits that point i don't know i
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 7: just i want to question every old lady i see
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 7: and be like why you should start taking a poll
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 7: hold on here ma'am can i ask you why the
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: hell did you shave all your hair out i don't
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: know i was just when i saw the trailer i
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: was like well thank god she at least put a
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 7: wig on or grew her hair back i don't know
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: which but it's like the character still has hair Jamie
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: Lee gave up on that. She wasn't even 60. She
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 7: was like 40 and she got it all. She's had
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 7: that haircut for... And it works for her.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: I don't... I would hate for this to get back
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: to Jamie Lee Curtis and think that we have a
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: problem with her hairstyle because it looks great.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 7: You're entitled to it. Do whatever the hell you want.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: It's not my place to say, but I am because
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 7: I'm a jerk, I guess.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 7: I just never understood why she did it to begin with.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: It was an odd choice like in... What's the hanging
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: on the side of the plane movie? What the hell
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: was that?
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 7: True Lies.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: There we go. Wasn't that short in Fish Called Wanda?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Again, it was early. Like Trading Places, it was
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: already short. So it's, yeah. She did it really, really early.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: She just stuck with it. So I don't know. I just,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: it's weird that to me, that's like the go-to now for,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 7: and since she's like, she is like leading the way
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: as the like, Not only is this the biggest horror
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: movie opening, it's the biggest film opening with a female lead,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 7: over 55 in particular, that made this kind of bank.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: That's impressive.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 7: That's impressive. I will point to her. That's an impressive
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: thing to do.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, what they did with it.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, unfortunately, it's in this movie, which we have a
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: lot of problems with.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: But anyway. I kept waiting for this underlying strong female,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: which again, everything that's going on with the way movies
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: are slowly starting to finally catch up to that way
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: of thinking. I thought, well, that'll, that'll be a great
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: take on it. And you never really get a good
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: payoff on that.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 7: It is there. Like, that's the thing. I'm glad that
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: they didn't make her a useless character, but at the
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: same time, it's there at the easiest, simplest, laziest way
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 7: of making it happen. There's nothing else that comes with it.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 7: It's just the, and then she's a badass and kills him.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 7: Ha ha, gotcha, Death Wish style. Everything became a revenge
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 7: movie of ha ha, gotcha.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 8: But not even like a satisfying revenge movie.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean, those weren't super clever the way they
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 7: went about their revenge. So it's like we haven't gotten
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 7: anywhere from the 70s revenge movies. We're just kind of
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: right back to ha ha, gotcha. And that's, I don't know,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 7: it's a weird turn in this day and age that
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: that's all we got out of it.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 7: Ah.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 7: Are there any stones still rolled over? I feel like
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: we've overturned them all, but is there anything we forgot?
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: I am trying to think, but my brain is just
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: in the process of reliving this movie. I remember walking
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: out to my car and just sighing, I think.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 5: Well, that happened.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Not like, because in the car going, I was like, oh,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to see the new Halloween movie.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: All right, Halloween, yeah.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: And going back to my car, it was just like, huh,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: it was $ 13.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: Sadly, that is the concern these days. The only thing
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: we haven't addressed, what did you think about the music?
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: Don't even remember the music.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 7: It's a slightly changed version that they did bring Carpenter in,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 7: kind of. because that isn't like his kids now part
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 7: of the team it's like three people one of which
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: is his kid but i was like is it they're
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 7: crediting him with the original thing and then they did
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 7: theirs that is the other half of the credits yeah
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 7: or did he did all three of them actually come
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: in and kind of tweak it because it's not that
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 7: far removed from the original one but it's got a
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: lot of extra kind of stuff going on the background
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 7: that seems more modernized which is why i assume that's
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: the other two guys so I don't know.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they brought it up to date, I feel like,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: but they didn't bring it too much up to date.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Kind of like the, again, this is going to the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: Friday the 13th, where in part three we get the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: disco-esque synthesizer version.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 7: Which is really what we're looking for at this point.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: Disco Michael Myers.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 8: What if they did dubstep remix?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like 10 years ago we would have gotten
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: something like that, but people are.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: Well, Rob Zombie.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Well, right.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: He was trying to be that radical in the way
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: that he wanted to change it, so we're definitely, yeah.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: We already kind of half went down that road.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: But I think we're in a, I don't want to
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: say golden age of remakes, because you had that period
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: of time where in the 90s, early 2000s, where it
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: was just way out of left field. Now it looks
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: like they're still trying to kind of stick to what
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: made it work, and they don't want to vary too
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: far off.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: Again, it's a lot of issues with something that, by
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: the end, I didn't come out of the theater seething.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: I was never seething.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 7: I was just, like, I came out kind of meh
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: about it. And then in this last week since then,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 7: it's like, but what about that one? It just kind
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 7: of built up over the last week of like, and
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: then this, and then that. Although, I mean, truthfully, the
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: rest of that day, I kept making, I was already
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 7: making notes of things we needed to talk about. like
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 7: before the day was out. So like, it didn't take long,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 7: but like, yeah, I didn't come out like angry. I
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 7: just was like, eh, I mean, it works kind of
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 7: as its own weird movie, but I'm.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: Still not angry at the movie. And I'm still telling people,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: you know, when they asked me what, Oh, I haven't
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: seen it yet. What did you think of it? And
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: I'll tell them what I thought. And they're like, well,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't go see it. And I'm like, well, no,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: don't keep me. Don't let me keep you from going
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: to see it. Go see it. Make up your own mind.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Because clearly there's plenty of people who did enjoy it. Yeah.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 7: And again, I feel like just out of context, if
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 7: you're just a modern era horror movie fan, it'll probably,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 7: you'll scratch the itch you need to. You know, I'm like,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 7: it works. It's not a great movie, but like, it's
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: a functional horror movie. Dysfunctional screenplay, but it functions from scratch.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: to scene as a.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: Horror movie so.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: And he is still scary.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: I woke up last night.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 8: At 4am and my closet door was open and I
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 8: was just staring at it.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: And you're like, I'm just leaving it open. Throw your
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 7: hands up.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: It wasn't even that good and I'm still scared.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: He's still a figure of.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: Whatever myth and spookiness.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 7: He's still creepy as hell.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 8: In that way, it's worth it.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 7: I guess it will be interesting to see if we
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 7: come back for another, which is a weird thing. If we're,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 7: if we're like, okay, that's it. Just these two. Oh wait,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: we made how much money?
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 7: Just these three. We always intended it to be a
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: trilogy with a big 40 year gap. Like that seems
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 7: really weird now.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: That's so weird that we got a sequel to a
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: movie series that's already been rebooted.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 7: And had a bunch of them in between. Yeah. That
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 7: were part of the canon. And we threw those out
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 7: the window and we rebooted it and we.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: Did a sequel. That was another thing walking into the movie.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: I thought, okay, this might be an interesting, it'd be
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: interesting to see how other filmmakers, if they do this
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: with their properties, because whenever, especially when you have a
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: series that goes on this long, you're always going to
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: look back at it and be like, well, this got
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: so far away from the original vision. What if we
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: just say that never happened? Now I'm worried that that
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: might happen.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's a way to do it and kind
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 7: of work in everything the right way. To me, the
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 7: most again, semi-recent version of that, that Evil Dead movie
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: works on both levels. If you don't know the other one,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 7: it It still hits all of the points that it
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 7: needs to, but it also does it in a couple
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 7: of different ways that are modernized with stuff you couldn't
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 7: have worked in in that original one.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 7: Or in the sillier sequels. So it does do stuff
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 7: that's kind of different and original while still hitting all
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 7: the key points it needs to to be the evil dead.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 7: And then it almost works in its own way. sort
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 7: of tangent mythology so that if you want to be
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 7: an old school geek, like you can tie that one
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 7: in and it's still part of that same franchise or
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 7: it's a reboot. Like it found a really great way
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: to balance everything in that. I feel like it, it
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 7: almost got a little more heat than it needed to.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 7: Like I felt like that was a pretty impressive version
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: of trying to do that. I think they did a
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 7: fine version. Yeah.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: But I mean, Evil Dead's always, done its own thing.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Which, again, though, the original Halloween did its own thing.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 7: But it's really hard to, again, like, that same director
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 7: is sort of, like, you had him come on as producer, but, like,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: you didn't really have, like, Raimi there, you know, on set.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 7: You gave it to a new director, they came up
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: with a whole new screenplay, sort of, as much as
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: the remake is. But, like, it's still, like, it still
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: felt like it was in the same spirit but it
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: didn't have to be a straight up series right continuation
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 7: unless you wanted it to be whereas this is going
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: a totally different direction so yeah that's the thing like
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 7: i feel like it can be done in a way
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 7: that actually keeps all those balls in the air while
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 7: you're trying to juggle all that stuff this just seems
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 7: like it missed a lot of that so there is
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 7: a way to do it this just wasn't it for
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 7: me but again a lot of people seem okay with
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 7: it so It will be interesting to see if we
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 7: come back and what road we're going to go to. I,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 7: you know, despite everything I've said about it, I want
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 7: to see where the granddaughter and the daughter, where they
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 7: go with this story.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: You can feel like we can leave Lori out of it.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: I really feel like her involvement is done.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 7: And I thought if we were going to have it again,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 7: a more interesting ending, what if she did that kind
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 7: of that same Loomis idea of like, I'm so determined
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 7: to take you out. I will stay down here with you.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 7: And both of us can blow up if it means
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 7: I can end you in the process.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 7: That would have been an interesting way to cap off
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 7: her character. If we want to do a sequel, we
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 7: can do something new and different with the daughter and
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 7: the granddaughter. But at least in giving some sort of
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 7: arc to this Laurie character where now it's just like
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: a tangent line. There's no arc. It just keeps going
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 7: 20 years, 40 years. So we just keep kind of
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 7: checking and going, yep, still kind of messed up. But
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 7: nothing really... comes of it so yeah I don't know
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 7: I think even that would have been a more fitting
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 7: way to end the character if we were looking to
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 7: get out of the Laurie Strode business and move on
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 7: with something else but no no alright thank you for
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 7: coming along on this journey both of you and everyone
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 7: listening so otherwise that about does it we will return
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 7: next time same geek feed thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 14: Everyone can be like me and Michael The only problem
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 14: is forgetting which side you're on So.
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  Speaker 2: You think The burning.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 14: Light will reappear on summer nights Like all the rest,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 14: but they.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: Can't find out.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 7: It's me and my go-go.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 14: Imaginary bombs raining down from the clouds.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 7: So it seems.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 14: The danger signs will never let the feelings die.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 11: When .
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  Speaker 2: .
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 17: Binary stars sink like the setting sun.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 14: Too happy with ourselves to notice when the change had come.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 14: So you think the losing side would never break the
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 14: dividing lines. But sanctity wasn't in doubt.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's Johnny. It's Johnny. So we loved it. You're saying?
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: Best movie ever. Obviously. If this does not take best
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: picture at the Oscars this year.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 7: Maybe it'll be best popular movie at the Oscars. I
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 7: think they already retracted that idea.
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