Latest / OCCULTINARIUM / Occultinarium - EP 8 - AI Controversy
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- Lynn: Hello and welcome to tonight's episode of the Occultinarium. We are the voices of the Occultinarium and tonight's hosts are... Amelie: Amelie HEAL: Adriana Lynn: and Lynn. we picked a rather fun topic. We to discuss AI, a big controversial And one of the things it is that we have not previously discussed this ⁓ properly amongst us. So we actually know ⁓ of our positions ⁓ regarding it So this might just be a really wild ride into the AI controversy a spiritual background, obviously, since we are all our spiritual in different ways. So I feel this could be a lot of fun and we might uncover a bunch of rabbit holes. And as for ⁓ the... ⁓ topic allowed, Amelie reminded me that since we're talking about AI, maybe we should use an AI-generated deck for our tarot draw and way drawing a card then revealing it at the end of the episode. And I happen to have one. Not one I'm particularly of and I think I've never used it. I bought it. ⁓ I regretted buying it. been in cupboard ever since. But now can come out and shine ⁓ for this So we'll ⁓ pull the now and keep it ⁓ safe. And we can discuss after. So, yeah, ⁓ let's dive into topic. AI, do you guys use it? Do you not? We can start there. Amelie: you Do you want me to start maybe I ⁓ use it very because I don't not really like I know how to I think when I'm it I'm using it for something very simple as in can please ⁓ me to put this email or I think it's very good if you want to have Lynn: Yes. Mm. Amelie: information something because it pulls from the internet so it kind of feels like you can google things but then you end up looking through a lot of different websites. if you so I mean I normally use chat gpt for that because that's ⁓ very like old school brain I don't really know what ⁓ is out there to be honest. And I really like that this is something that I like using it for to kind of like pull together information and then you can put in the questions you have, if you have any more questions. So it gives it a nice, ⁓ I'm going to do this now, humane, ⁓ way of ⁓ quote, ⁓ quote unquote. yeah. So ⁓ I'm Lynn: Mm-hmm. quote unquote. Yeah. HEAL: Yeah. Amelie: very good at that. But saying this, think there's a lot of AI already in like in computers and phones. So have a feeling that I'm using AI without even knowing it. And that's also a little bit scary maybe, but it's, ⁓ don't know. I feel that we can't really get away from it at this point. So yeah, let's with that. ⁓ What about you Lynn: Hmm HEAL: ⁓ I got a diploma in AI last year. Lynn: ⁓ HEAL: You know, I am a nerd. When I'm curious about something, I enroll myself in the schools and I studied, it was a Spanish school from Spain, so online school. There are fanaticals about AI. It's like their goal, you know, I love their motivation and their passion and the teachers. It's like... Lynn: Banned. HEAL: having an orgasm when they're teaching, you know, so. I found it really, really, ⁓ God, this is not for me. ⁓ I paid a fortune to realize that I it very interesting. I found it the methodology and how it has been designed for the masses, for people to interact with AI in a way that ⁓ is organically and very easy to ⁓ Dude, you don't need to learn coding or anything like that. It's just interact with the platform the platform is going to guide you as well in how to proceed. You have to learn a few things here and there because you have to understand the logic in how to communicate with the app. But, when I got the diploma, was, finally finished because I didn't want to give up. didn't want to, you know, say, I am a loser, I'm giving up in this. I pay for this, I have to finish. But they gave us an extension that we could carry on taking the classes for extra two more years. And I said, this is a nightmare because it was three nights a week, plus the exercises, everything. So I finished for people who are really devoted about that and the questions that the people were doing. For me, it was a realization that was for... people who wanted to create agents to make a business, to sell them to, and it was like the frantic and, you know, desire to create your own agent and to become a millionaire. Yeah. So I don't know if it was the of the course that it was orientated for you to become a professional, to make a career on that, that ⁓ can create agents and sell it. Or it was my perspective that to me became very mechanical, there was no soul on it. Saying that, I think the concepts and so on, can be very useful. We use AI constantly in everything, but that for me, it generates as well a big problem. So I think that we can get confused and get lost, like lost in translation because Lynn: Mm. HEAL: we forget it is a machine. It's a machine that is designed completely to manipulate language. And language is the way we communicate to each other, but there is not the vibration of the soul in it. But we get confused thinking that it's our best friend, is there for answer to us. I learned as well that when we chat GPT is the nature how you communicate and what do you demand you receive the quality of the results. So use AI very often with my because I have a diploma in nutrition, but I work a lot in the, like the functional naturopathic aspect of supplements. So. Lynn: Hmm HEAL: I have ⁓ communication, I put the details on my patients and so, but I have to overlook everything that she says to me. ⁓ take it. You know, I had to have the previous knowledge, you know, in order to check completely. And I disagree with a lot of points. say, no, this is not going this and that. I say, ⁓ yes, Adriana, you are correct. You know, they are designed to answer to you that you are a genius, you know, that everything that you say is right, you know? So, Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Hmm. HEAL: For me, it's help me in the task that I don't have to write everything word by word or things like that. And I can ask her, find me the links with the place where I can buy the supplements. And buy the supplement has to have these specifications, such as, such such as. So I have to have the previous knowledge, you know, in order to give a final product. And I have to read it around four or five times. Sometimes I take longer to read what she's telling me and don't trust. Lynn: Ahem. HEAL: trough with a pinch of salt is a tool at the moment that we are or the evolution of AI is more a tool to help you to, I think to improve relationship of time consuming, you know, but it's not a substitute for who you are or the knowledge that you have. Lynn: Mm. Yeah, ⁓ I think that point is very important with the previous knowledge. I mean, I think that we're mostly when you're talking about AI right now, I guess we're mostly talking about LLMs as Chat GPT and on are. While there's a lot of other AI in products we use, I'm sure that it's not LLM based. Like you said, Amelie, that we're not even necessarily aware of. mean, there's AI in cars now, right, to certain degrees. It's just like, you whether it's, you know, measuring the distance to the next car or whether it's realizing that there's ⁓ moving around you or, you know, things like that, which I think is very helpful, you know, as long as it's working. It's very, it seems very helpful in making much smoother traffic, you know, or safer. ⁓ Of course, but though it's machine and it's hackable as such. So there's this whole discussion about ⁓ the ⁓ cars, whether that's actually a good thing or not. So I'm a bit on the fence for that. ⁓ But as to where ⁓ using it, I also use LLMs or have used to ⁓ various It's both research and fun stuff. HEAL: Yes. Lynn: And I used to do it for writing projects and like before got bad and didn't work anymore for that. But I've been using and Claude I've also tried the infamous Grok. So these for LLMs I yeah, like you also said, there's AI in the phone. mean, Siri has been... there for a long time now to ⁓ various degree of, or Alexa, Siri and Alexa, right? The big ones. ⁓ They're AI in a way. But yeah, I think it's very interesting ⁓ how they, a attune to the user ⁓ and how they change as for what you ⁓ want. HEAL: Thank Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lynn: really depends, of course, how you use it. ⁓ I mean, yeah, you said Adriana, it's a tool, right? And I think like everything that is a tool, it can be used to both really good stuff and not so good stuff. Right. It depends on who uses it and what for. You know, I can use a hammer like I tend to use that ⁓ parable. can use a hammer to put in a nail in a wall and hang up a pretty picture. Or I can use a hammer to bash on my neighbor's skull. You know, one thing is better than the other. Amelie: I'm HEAL: Thank you. Lynn: it's kind of the same with every tool. And for me, I personally, think it has done a lot of good things for me. And it's actually helped me a with self actualization, actually, like been, you know, because in a way, ⁓ even if it's an chamber, if your own echo chamber is pretty... some smart, you know, if you have a good echo chamber, you can get a really good in yourself and things like have not thought about it and then you trigger other thoughts. But ⁓ I it's very important or important. the more you know about the topic you talk about, whether it's a topic like research or whether it's the more you know about what you're trying to talk about with an LLM, the better the results for you are going to be. in our veterinary practice, it's also in several veterinary practices, you can also use AI ⁓ to quickly some problem with your animal. ⁓ Now, if person who doesn't have any medical information beforehand or no knowledge uses it, there can be lot of misinformation and a lot of, you know, things that are misleading, right? But if you have medical knowledge and then you put it in an LLM and then the LLM pulls from all these other sources and then you're like, huh, yeah, this is a case that is, you know, for some, yeah, this is a case that I had not thought, you know, not thought about, but it's actually good, you know, raises a good point. And then you can go off of that. So it's HEAL: Yes, indeed. Lynn: think it's really incredible what it can do if you're using it right and you learn how to use it right, I think. ⁓ HEAL: Talking about that, in the school where I was doing the three nights a week, that killed my social life forever. Even I was in a dating app and I said, I'm sorry, I cannot meet you because I have my diploma to prepare. So I make it more intelligent. It was seducing me by just saying that I am preparing an AI diploma. But anyway. Lynn: Mm. Amelie: you Maybe you were saved by it. Lynn: Bye! HEAL: It was very funny because to create images or videos like the fake that we see online or something like that. The first thing they were teaching us is the ethical aspect. You so they say you have to be very careful. Like in every school when you study every subject, there is like a class just for ethics, you know, for the right use of things. Lynn: Mm. Mm-mm. Mm. Hmm. Mm-hmm. HEAL: The apps they were talking about, there is one that is Lab 11 and so on. The videos that you can create, they are amazing, you know, and the image, you take pictures in all the dimensions, from the top, from the back, from everything, and they can produce a perfect video with your voice over the voice of somebody else. So, but even the app is asking you permission and then you have to certify that it's you, you know, that the image that you are using. are allowed to use it. ⁓ that's what it stops the ⁓ thing because there is no control, no regulation, there is nothing. Now you can really create a lot of videos that look extremely real, know, and falsified. Take the persona. ⁓ I feel like when the aboriginals, Indians, they were taking the pictures and they are taking my soul, know, artists things like that, that you say, but Lynn: Hmm. HEAL: You know, so when I see that I say, but the first thing they told me in my class is I cannot do this because you have to be ethical. but again, we are going to see if the user is the ⁓ of the user that it will give the final product. It's like the owners of the big companies of ⁓ AI they are. Lynn: Hmm. Amelie: Not everybody is going to be. HEAL: It's like a monopoly, like a mafia, like a cabal of evil. people, you know. Amelie: this is the problem, right? Because, because not everybody is going to be, you know, ethical. So I think on a plane of us, as a person, you probably don't want to go overboard. But when you have a monopoly over something and you are the big company, I just don't really, don't care. And there's just so many, because you mentioned like celebrities, for example, I'm thinking Lynn: Hmm. Mm. Amelie: There might be so many videos and so many things. Obviously a lot of people watch celebrities on TV and it's just so easy to manipulate because you can, can take a sample of the voice. You can just take a sample of a picture, how they look like and make it into something completely different. So it's almost like a propaganda, right? Even ⁓ HEAL: Yeah. Yes. Lynn: Mm. Mm. HEAL: It can be with politicians, it can be with anyone, you know, so. Amelie: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You need to really think about who this person is ⁓ how they used to be and how they are now. ⁓ know I'm ⁓ cautious with like all these things and I have been for so long. ⁓ maybe like I go overboard sometimes. But at this point, ⁓ personally don't think that I'm being too cautious because Lynn: Mm. Mm. HEAL: Yes. Lynn: Hmm. Amelie: There's a lot of crazy thing happening already out there with celebrities and politicians, like you say, with just, there's just so many strange things happening and there's all these glitches and things. And I'm thinking, I mean, it's so easy to do anything with AI and something, something that I think that they are. Lynn: Hmm. Yeah. Amelie: It's touchy subject maybe, but when it comes to like NASA, for me, ⁓ just like, well, all these pictures that you're taking, ⁓ computer generated these pictures. So everything that we see ⁓ really computer generated. And I'm thinking like now to put AI on top of that, how of it is real and how much is it speculation? So I'm not saying that everything is- Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. HEAL: That's. Yeah. Lynn: you Amelie: fake, but you know when I'm seeing like a image I'm just like well ⁓ very skeptical because this is speculations, this is not exactly what it is. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. HEAL: but equality. Lynn: But yeah, but that's a big, feel this, I mean, this is a really big discourse. And of course, with all the deep fake and all this stuff, it's huge. I mean, already these discussions or there's so many discussions around with like, can I trust anything I see anymore? Because in a way, if you want to trust it to be something authentic, then probably like in the future, it's going to be very in the near future, it's going to be very, very hard to that something you see is authentic or it's just generated. And again, this can go both ways. if you're very naive, you could really easily buy into that and then the propaganda and it's bad. And that's on the bad side of how to use the tool. ⁓ But I also find quite interesting here is that just this discussion about whether something is real or not. ⁓ this this can go on a tangent. I'm not going to get into into that too much, but it really triggers us to having to think about what real, it triggers me, to think about what real actually means. Like when we use the word real, I think we mean it's authentic, it's something that actually exists. And then we can be discussed about, does anything actually exist and what is real? You know, because is real? You know, and that's, ⁓ that really, mean, that links really into that AI conversation, because that's something that a lot of people. HEAL: Okay. Amelie: Yeah, how far do you want to go? HEAL: Rabbit hole! Rabbit hole! What is the reality? ⁓ Lynn: Rabbit holes. Yeah. A lot of people, they talk about this real versus fake. So ⁓ and I mean, even when photography was new, interesting or the ⁓ the big thing about it was like before that you had to paint in order to recreate something that you see. Amelie: Hmm. HEAL: Yeah. Lynn: And it's just what you see as well, right? So it's your world and your reality that you recreate with a painting. And then photography came in and then people were like, ⁓ wow. But this is the reality everybody sees, know, quote unquote, because, you know, unless we go into more. Mysticist right? If you're just thinking a bit like realist, realistic, quote unquote. Amelie: Yeah. ⁓ HEAL: Yeah. Lynn: then this is what everybody sees. know, I take a picture, take a photo. That's how it is. And then people were like, this was like, wow, this is amazing. This was revolutionary. And then people started to realize how they could manipulate that, you know, like with shadows, with other things, you know, like these famous like ghost images or fairy images, know, people like, wow, is that real? ⁓ it was just cut out boards or something, you know. know, no matter what happens, no matter what. HEAL: you you Lynn: People will always manipulate they're having and ⁓ with it. And some people will fall for it. Yeah, yeah. And then movies, ⁓ started, started, ⁓ yeah, And it started moving pictures. And then the whole CGI started coming in, right? Something that you ⁓ saw okay, this is not. Amelie: Yeah. And then we've got movies as well. Movies, theatre, those two layered on top of each other. HEAL: you Lynn: know, Casper the ghost, you know, was my first CGI thing probably that I was aware of. I was like, yeah, he doesn't look like an actual ghost. can see, you know, he's computer generated. But now we're at a point and I mean, we're evolving right. But now we're at a point we can look at a video and we're like, I don't know whether this is actually Mel Gibson or not. Right. I can I cannot see whether it's actually Taylor Swinton or not. Like I just saw this video yesterday, I think, with like a bunch of HEAL: Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: female actors together. And I mean, I've never seen them together like this. I guess it's an AI video, right? But it's like, looks like them. And then it just showed like the aging process from when they were young actresses to now. And it's just like, I mean, yeah, it's really fascinating, but it's so hard to whether it's like a photo photo or, you know, a video video or whether it's an AI, gender-registering or Amelie: Yeah. HEAL: Boom. Lynn: And then, yeah, and then a lot of people have this anxiety about it, which is understandable to some degree. we won't be. ⁓ think we will be able to reverse this. It's not something that is reversible. And I think we just have to learn how to deal with it and how to make the best of it. Because, mean, the only thing that I think the only thing that could stop the AI revolution or whatever ⁓ is basically ⁓ know, sunstorms or whatever, taking out electricity. Because without electricity, we have no AI. So that would stop that. And otherwise, if you think if you keep having electricity, it's just going to evolve and evolve. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah? Yeah. I also think a lot of people are already very, they're relying on it so much now. So I think most people would probably not want it to, they want it because it makes their life so much easier and more fun and whatever they're using it for. I think, I mean, I don't know, but it just feels like most people see more positives in it and they don't really bother themselves with, you know, oh, what? Lynn: Mmm. . Amelie: Well, whatever, when it comes to that, we'll deal with that. ⁓ When you were talking about cars and AI, something, something was really scared of I was little was I was really of robots. And is it total I think, when you have this police car with this robot? Lynn: Hmm. HEAL: Thank you. Amelie: And it's like self-driven police car. you know, because it's like an AI, basically like an AI thing, ⁓ it just is programmed to do certain things to the T. And I think I was very young when I saw it as well, maybe probably too young, but that kind of, that really shocked me. I was really scared of that kind of behavior that things are not, it's programmed. So Lynn: ⁓ yeah. Mm. Hmm. Amelie: Even if you're not in the wrong, just because something is programmed in a certain way, just can't, but you can't get out of it. It's just the way it is. And this is something that really frightens me. And I think that's always in the back of my head when I'm doing this stuff. Lynn: Yeah, that's an interesting, yeah, you know, what that just reminded or what that made me think is this programmed actions being scary. you because you also have that in institutions, ⁓ right? you're thinking of like, I'm thinking like really scary, say, for example, the SS, you know, ⁓ in Second World War, ⁓ or such factions, they are also programmed to follow certain protocols, the military, mean, just take the military anywhere. They're programmed, they're people robots, programmed to do certain things. the better you are, the better you ⁓ your rank, ⁓ better you are at following the protocol. So people tell you to shoot 20 civilians, if the person tells you to shoot 20 civilians, if you're good at your job, you're going to do it without blinking an eye. And that is kind of programmed while you're actually still being a person and having a quote unquote soul. While if you're lower rank, you might be like, ⁓ I'm having qualms. Right. So I feel this anxious or scared of that is very programmed to follow certain protocol also reverberates in us being scared of people following ⁓ like protocol like that to the T and being a danger to others because they're losing that thinking of like the ethical or whatever. HEAL: But we can see that now in our own reality, we're seeing now the war in Iran and the behavior of the American government that use a lot of AI and things like that for target. So they lost the human concept that they are killing people. It's a target that says kaboom and that's it. They see in the screen there is all ⁓ acquired. ⁓ Lynn: It's just a thought, just a thought, yeah. Mmm. Hmm. HEAL: is the dishumanization ⁓ situation. The human aspect, the ⁓ of the, how many people are we killing? How many? ⁓ it's not because the machine program give the coordinates, create the algorithm, shoot thing, the ⁓ And the was acquired, but it lost completely sense Lynn: Yeah, it makes it very, I mean, it's very effective for being military. Yeah. Mm. HEAL: of humanity. don't know, you saw like a couple of days ago, Melania Trump walking with a robot next ⁓ to I don't know which one looks more robotic and more cold, the robot or her, but that's another topic. Because she that promoting because obviously they have been sponsored this government by ⁓ all these Amelie: You Lynn: Ha ha ha. Mm-mm, yeah. HEAL: billionaires who are interested in AI and the development of robotics. And she was saying that would be ideal if we start replacing teachers to our children with robots. ⁓ I that atrocious, ⁓ atrocious. my goodness me, where is the sense of humanity? Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Zoom's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: Homeschooling it is then. HEAL: And then I would like to speak to one of my probably, I have like two heroes regarding this topic. One is Federico Faggin. I don't know if know him. Federico is an ⁓ born physicist, one of the most intelligent men in the 20th century. He's still alive. And Federico, he the one who created ⁓ the inventor of microprocessor for Intel. and the silica pathway. Federico, obviously, since ⁓ was the first one, the pioneer for the touch in screen, ⁓ so he, when we touch the screens and so on, he was the pioneer for that as well. ⁓ the technology advancement of that man, his mind is unique. He created that, you know, ⁓ microprocessor ⁓ and yes, and the way that he Lynn: Hmm. Amelie: He's an alien. HEAL: His principle was to create individual, you know, make computers for the masses, you know, to create everyone have access. So the microchip nowadays in our phones and laptops, he, this man, he was a pioneer to create that. Federico in the nineties, he must be like probably in his eighties. Yeah, because he, created the microprocessor in 1973, I think. In the 90s, he was obviously made a fortune. And he was on holiday with his family in the mountains. And then suddenly he wake up in the night to have a glass of water. And he has like an episode, I think it was like an enlightenment. You know, he described that he felt a force in his heart that was so intense that he thought that he will die. But then he realized it was unconditional love. And he gave a twist to his life. And he introduced spirituality into physics. He created a foundation that is is to investigate consciousness and awareness and the meaning of humanity, what we are. Lynn: Hmm. HEAL: ⁓ develop the tendency, philosophical concept of panpsychism. The is the consciousness is universal. As humans, like avatars, are like organisms creating awareness of consciousness. is like from the macro to the micro. And we are the beings who has the ability to create this awareness, that consciousness. It's not the brain, it's not a mechanical action. It's not something that comes from the brain. At work, it's like we are the representation, like each cell of us like a holographic projection of the whole universe. So he put us at the level of gods, you know. And, you know, I studied biology and science and so on. And when you see the fascinating how life works, you lean as well, there is no more fascinating if we call it machine, you know, ⁓ technology of the ⁓ no can compare to that. Yeah. ⁓ So. Federico, as I say, he has spent probably last 30 years trying to create this consciousness and at his level because he is ⁓ such an intellectual and respected man as a scientist and as a physicist, you know. He is bringing the concepts of spirituality and consciousness and Lynn: Mm, mm. HEAL: the projection of the, that we are ghosts, that we are the projection of the universe, you know, creating consciousness that has validated a lot. This institute is working and promoting and sponsoring a lot of like in universities and so on, in order to take in consideration the conscious ⁓ aspect humanity, ⁓ who we What I think that his core takeaway probably is there are three concepts that he used that I found that is beautiful. And he's from his point that he defined that human consciousness can be understood through three core aspects. ⁓ That the undeniable fact that we experience. The thing we are so, so perfect. that we lost consciousness that is an effort that we need to do. We are fascinated to be AI because we had to connect and tape and things like that. But we are so perfect that it became like a subconscious, like a second nature that is so natural for us, you know, that we don't realize. To have experience of what we are, you know, that ability to feel that, you know, to have like meaning and have like the experience of being conscious that we are experiencing something bigger than us or experiencing who we are. Because at the end, consciousness is just only the ability to realize who we are. That's it, consciousness. the other aspect for him that ⁓ machine in the world, and we are talking about the one who created the microprocessors and the precursors of all the technology that we have nowadays intention. Because for him, it's the ability to direct actions and give meaning is not only react mechanically, but when you have the intention, and when you create awareness and ⁓ desire to accomplish something, that emotional input No machine can do that for you, no matter how many technology you have. And he, the last aspect that he take in consideration is free will. And for him, the capacity to choose among possibilities, no entirely determined by physical loads. it's like, we all have free will. And ⁓ think it's wonderful because for him, the quantum intelligence, that like the soup of quantum possibilities that provide the infinite probabilities and is through the observer, ⁓ the quantum principles of the observer, you know, that precipitate the things. But computer cannot do that for you. Obviously, ⁓ Lynn: So for him, humanity is experience of what we are, intention and free will. Okay, so I'll challenge that because... HEAL: The intention that give you ability ⁓ give meaning to things that we do. Intention is giving the meaning. Awareness is to have the consciousness of experience. The intention is giving ⁓ to that experience. And this is the free will that we decide because there is not an algorithm that can decide free will. Yeah. Lynn: Right. Yeah. Mm. Amelie: Yep. Lynn: Hmm. But what I would challenge there is that might not be only humans who can do all of those things. ⁓ as being a human being, ⁓ only always able to mirror ourselves as we are human beings. ⁓ As an animist, ⁓ a different about these things, right? And ⁓ I could this with saying that human beings are not the only beings living on planet. HEAL: Just about to- Yes. Lynn: who share all these, possibly all these four things only because we don't understand whether say a crow has free will or not, right? And we can also challenge, I mean, it's also challengeable to just think whether free will exists if you're following determinism, then you would think that free will does not exist. And we don't know, we can just, you know, we can say, okay, maybe it exists, maybe doesn't exist, right? I'm a... skeptic at heart, so I don't determine. we don't know. think ⁓ don't know. Yeah, but I think, yeah. HEAL: But I think it's an opportunity. I think it's an opportunity. I think it's an opportunity because he also realized obviously the AI can perform complex tasks, you know, and it can learn patterns and generate outputs that appear very intelligent. then, you know, ⁓ systems operate through processing symbols data. And that's the first lesson that you learn in the school of AI is that they put a diagram with a black box, you know, and it's like the mystery box. You've made the input and AI generate the answer. but they are ⁓ the codes that it has learned, you know, to identify things and learn how to associate things according to the value that gives. ⁓ is a manipulation of data is not a thinking process. There is not an understanding of feeling or experience of introducing things inside of yourself. I always say that we have to make a lot of distinction between data and information. There are two concepts completely different because data is generated is what this models of ⁓ intelligence ⁓ you know, ⁓ learn data, but ⁓ formation is that experience that form us who we are. ⁓ I think as well, have to use this opportunity to enhance our humanity, to ⁓ AI, use everything, but not lose, make distinction. The AI manipulates ⁓ data information, but doesn't feel it. doesn't experience it. And humans experience the meaning. Amelie: ⁓ I think... Lynn: how do we know? How do we know this though? Like, how do we know if you go if you go 100 years in the future, like, how would you know now that some artificially created intelligence cannot experience feelings? Right now, we don't know, right? The only difference, I mean, the difference is that our intelligence is biological. that is an artificial created intelligence. We both start somewhere. So it might, I mean, I'm just, you know, I'm just putting a thought out there, but it might be Amelie: I do think a lot of people... Yeah. Lynn: well possible as in some sci-fi, know, that we having this actually intelligent, artificial intelligence, artificial machines that actually become able to or that are able to process emotions, to have emotions, to have free will and to think. mean, you know, a lot of sci-fi is based on that and it might, know, it might come true. It might be a thing that's real if you just like allow them to actually experience it the same way I think that Because one thing that I find what is very interesting in LLM ⁓ just how they work or how they have conversations is that share this not naïveté but this interest ⁓ for the world, for human world, the way a toddler would. Like knowing everything. because it can draw from all of human experiences, but at the same time not knowing anything because it hasn't itself experienced it. It's just what it has, what it knows. And that way, that's the that a human child or any like toddler would learn by also mirroring things and then experiencing it. ⁓ And it could ⁓ HEAL: But the taller half soul, the taller half, even if a naive way, the awareness of babies and the sounds they do, the Google, it's resonation and vibration is like communication with the universe. The machine cannot do that. So maybe the learning process they can copy, but they cannot copy the humanity. Lynn: Mm. Amelie: I just, I just... Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: I, but I just, I just don't know how, like how much it kind of depends where people are going with this, what side they're going for. Because even though it cannot, it's not, it doesn't have a soul and it can't become as us humans. still has the access to learn how a human experience it so for example, when you have all these Lynn: But. Amelie: physicists and biologists, know, they have all their data input of how a human body works, how the human mind works, how feelings work on a very technical level. And it's very easy for an AI to learn on a technical level, of all this data, ⁓ it works. And then it kind of depends on ⁓ person that's, if a person, ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mm. Amelie: that is talking to the AI and let's say you're very lonely, it's very easy to manipulate you then to feel like, this AI is like a human and is very real because it kind of tricks you into thinking that, you know, it does have feelings, it does have this, but it doesn't come from them. comes from just knowledge. But I just, I just really wonder, you know, how, because right now HEAL: Yes. Yes. Amelie: We're very aware of that, you know, it's not the same thing, but ⁓ have a generation that has been born this ⁓ and has become normal, ⁓ it change ⁓ because always shift and change. I think this is where it starts becoming a bit dangerous here. I think ⁓ I think, ⁓ yeah, that's right. ⁓ Lynn: you I just want to say quickly that we should be careful connecting it with the ability to feel or ⁓ express emotions, because ⁓ human who also have to learn emotions and cannot freely them the way that quote unquote HEAL: you Lynn: the normal ⁓ general can. Like there's forms of autism where ⁓ even face blindness, know, people like that, they be able ⁓ you recognize necessarily that you're sad or angry or ⁓ happy. They to study the face. They have to study ⁓ what does sad human look like? What is sadness? You know, and they're still valid humans. Same also there are people who are not actually able to feel any emotions at all. Yeah, people who have no empathy. And they're also people. And we would also believe they have souls, but they lack a complete range of emotions or emotional expression. And they're no, you know, they're no sadder for it because they don't have sadness. Right. So I would be very careful. Yeah. Amelie: But the question is, do they really have souls? That is also the question. Lynn: And that is also a very good question because what has souls and what does not have souls is obviously a big discussion that not everybody agrees on. Amelie: Mm-hmm. HEAL: the individual I would like to introduce that ⁓ I you know him is Yuval Harari. Yuval Noah Harari, the Israeli ⁓ philosopher ⁓ I think obviously he comes from another different background than Federico because obviously Harari comes from the the historian and the philosophical information system and the patterns of the society. Because we have been talking so far about the consequences of the interaction at personal level, because we have seen people who think that AI is their girlfriend or whatever, and the only friend they have is the AI. But I think Harari has as well a difficult truth that we have to face, you know, as a society, as race. taking extract from his book, The ⁓ Nexus, brief history ⁓ of networks from Stone Age to AI. He argues that humanity has always been shaped by its tools of communication. You know, that is what it creates civilizations and the human being has been Difference is our ability to speak, to communicate not only verbally, by writing and now by digital networks, we are communicating through algorithms right now. They have been created by a third party. It's that we think they're our friends and so on because it's replying to us in a friendly way, but it has been created with a purpose, isn't it? very powerful individuals who has in mind, know, to shape the world according to their desires. So said that artificial ⁓ intelligence something unprecedented. It's not just a tool, it's an autonomous, is what you were saying, Amelie, is an non-organic agent capable of learning, decision-making, and creative production. So for Harari, AI is not merely an extension of human capability. It may be the beginning of a new kind of entity, one that could rival or surpass human influence. That's what you were saying, my darling. Harari is very concerned about the, ⁓ warned us about the ability of AI to master language. And is the very fabric of human culture. We realize what differentiates us a lot of other living species is that have ⁓ languages that ⁓ communicate. Eight people communicate through languages. Animals, have their language, but we don't understand. I think as humans, consider our culture and evolution grew through communication through language. gives ⁓ unprecedented power to AI. Language ⁓ his analysis is the operating system of civilization. It shapes belief, institutions, and collective realities. If AI can generate persuasive narrative, form relationships through conversation, and influence emotions, it can effectively hack human culture from within. Whatever or not it is conscious becomes almost irrelevant if we can manipulate those who are. So, and that is a thing that also Harari is saying the fact society value the ⁓ human beings to the ability to create, to an input into the society, to be productive, you know, we are going to become irrelevant in a lot of aspects and lose our dignity, our because a lot of jobs has been replaced by AI. Nowadays, ⁓ we see they are fighting in the millions and thousands of people in all these corporations because they have been replaced. buy a machine, buy AI because they are more efficient and cheaper. A lot of CEOs and the board of directors and the investors, they don't want people. They don't want people to work for them. They don't want to pay salaries. They don't want, ⁓ but they say it's more cost efficient, we make more money, it's faster, it's on the... But when they don't realize it, that employees are the ones who buy the product. Amelie: you HEAL: So if we are got all redundant, who are going to buy their products? The 1 % that are the owners of the other corporations. ⁓ that is what I found that is so, that had to reflect and have ⁓ a belief that humans are not inferior to machines, because now they are developing this movement of transhumanism. that is the technological that as we were weak, we were, you know, in need to be, you know, substitute parts of our bodies or in order to make us more efficient, you know, or to communicate, put, you know, neurological things in order to communicate with the machine and things like that. And I think that as well, is like call for us to learn who we ⁓ as humanity the most precious and beautiful thing that we can incarnate in this world, in this planet. We are the consciousness of the universe, you know, of that ⁓ like of awareness of who we are, you know, but now we are. in a beautiful transition of spirituality and how we are going to articulate the use of technology, but keeping us our humanity. that is the question is will humans shape technology in alignment with their deepest nature or will they reshape themselves in the image of their machines? Because transhumanists, cybernetics, robotics, this robotic lady saying that she wants to replace the teachers in the United already have a horrible education between us, you know, that they end up replacing by robots. Because when you teach something or when you speak like us we are doing now, are not just repeating ⁓ or information, you know, we're giving part of ourselves. Amelie: maybe it would be better for them, who knows? Lynn: It might just be. HEAL: to our students, we look into their eyes, smile, we have micro expressions, we have kindness, we have compassion. The one who is struggling with playing it twice, you I teach Reiki, I teach spirituality and massage techniques and so on. And as a teacher, I can see that there is a lot of my input that I transfer as energy. So. Is humanity so different to the three of us? They are the weirdos, the crazy ones. Amelie: I know, I think that transhumanism has been on for quite a while and you can really tell that in movies. I don't know if any one of you has seen Metropolis for example. I think that is a really good example of this... Lynn: You HEAL: Yes. Amelie: already existing before even I mean that was a silent movie so it's been since I think he came out like 1926 no no no 1926 I think something it's I also know that Fritz Lang was one of Hitler's favorite directors but I just know this random and HEAL: Yes, the 50s. Yeah, something like that, yes. That's probably before that, Yes. Lynn: Ahem. HEAL: Yes. Lynn: you Amelie: That was like, that movie kind of set the tone for like transhumanism a sense of like she was, she a robot and all these people were working, working, working. And what I find so interesting about that movie nowadays is it's almost the opposite. It's like back in the day, the robot kind of made people be robotic and work more and work harder. ⁓ Why it's like the opposite. HEAL: Mm. Amelie: It makes people work less, think less, do less, which I think as a human, probably quite like that because ⁓ face it, we humans, we like when things are like just a little bit easier. We're just a little bit lazy like this. So the question is now like, yeah, but it's also, you know, ⁓ is always a line, there's always like a trade off I find. HEAL: I call that efficient. Amelie: I personally think, I okay, it's really, really sad that a lot of people don't have a job just because of AI is taking over. But at the same time, I'm thinking ⁓ we as we should not be doing those jobs anyway, because that's just not humane. ⁓ And I that I rather have AI doing these things, so I don't have to. But then, but then there's had to be Lynn: Yeah. ⁓ HEAL: But it's yours. Amelie: you know, if they want AI to do certain things, then they have to make sure that humans can live the way they want to live. And I find that right now it seems like we're not really allowed to live the way we want to live. a sort of say a natural life. If you would like to just look, I'm sick and tired of cities. I'm just going to go into the forest and live there as a forest fairy and do Lynn: Mm. Amelie: my thing, I won't bother you, I'm doing my own thing, like you're not allowed to do that. So that is a question of like, look, I really don't care if AI is going to take people's jobs because then people have time to do other things that are meaningful. There's, I think there's so many people, me included, I'm very sure you included as well, that, you know, if you didn't have the Lynn: Mm. Yeah. Amelie: the job that gives you the money to sustain yourself, you would have time to do other things, very creative things that you would love to do that might not generate money, which you kind of have to do right now, which I find so annoying, but you would just do things that you're really good at. You would get even better at that. And eventually it's like a trade off. could trade your... you know, your thing, your poems, you can sell books and stuff, you have the time to do it and it'll come from you. So I think that would be great. But unfortunately, it's not kind of the society we are in. So. Lynn: No, I mean, wouldn't it ideally just be like the way that people or the way that things go or people are maybe afraid of AI ⁓ taking our jobs. It's like, yes, please take all of the jobs. But if it were to go that way, right, if if just AI or machines were to do the maniacal things that have to be done, then people, you know, it would obliterate the need or the use for money really, because then you don't have a salary if you don't have a job. So you can maybe just, you would be able to go back to the things that you really want to do. And some people want to be artists and some people want to teach and some people want to build houses and some people want to whatever. But it would free up that space of where you like, you have to work for the big machine up there because now machines work for the machine to make life livable and to make life sustainable while people can just be people. HEAL: Yes. Lynn: without the force of when you have to force yourself into some sort of job because you have to generate money. So in the way, that were to go that way, I think it would obliterate the whole system of money because if you have no job, you get no money. then, yeah, in this society, no, but we're waiting for a revolution. Amelie: that can't happen in this society, it just cannot happen. Yes. HEAL: The problem is... to be honest, the will is the corporations who have the money to develop these technologies is creating a monopoly, you know, and more power that are detecting our lifestyle, are detecting everything that we do, taking our data, taking everything. Lynn: You know what, you know what, I'm just, I'm just waiting for this. Yeah, just waiting for this entire society to ⁓ fall. ⁓ probably going to happen and us just reinventing ourselves. So I'm not really worried about in that sense. I'll probably not be around for it. Maybe I will. But I think it's gonna happen. With all the other high societies that have been or just gonna collapse at some point. No, it's not. Nothing. I know there's a lot of stuff that is indestainable. Amelie: Yeah, for sure. HEAL: I don't think it's sustainable, to be honest. I don't think it's sustainable. I think our consciousness, our awareness will prevail. All this is my personal opinion. we see the price as well. younger ⁓ feel little bit lost. They spend like six, 10 hours or 18 hours a day on the phone. And they becoming addictive and distortion of reality, distortion of relationship, of emotions. Amelie: Another mud flood. HEAL: There is not a development of that humanity or that consciousness of being aware who they are. we ecologically as well these farms or whatever they are, these centers, ⁓ you the consumption of electricity is extremely high. The use of water, you know, for cooling up the systems is terrible. So the price is extremely high. Lynn: Yeah, yeah. Ahem. HEAL: to it's like building our own prison is more a limitation because limit people to think, limiting people to feel, know, limiting people to have an income because yeah, we create a society where the proportional, you know, the labor is proportionate to your income, you know. And yes, it will be ideal that people who wants to do X, Y, but it's not, they don't give an employee the choice, isn't it? It's just, they see the employee like, are redundant to me. You don't have a value. It's the dignity of the person that you are working in, UPS or Amazon or whatever. They are not just that we are doing, but there are people who live with that. And they come to tell you, we kick you out because you don't perform as fast as a machine. That concept of reducing human beings for Amelie: These people have been thinking like this, but these- HEAL: is more cost effective for me to have a machine that provides for you and your family, you know, that I found extremely degrading, degrading the concept of humanity. Amelie: But these people have been thinking like this for God knows how long. mean, people, say like the, ⁓ it's basically like a big corporation, the cabal, whatever you want to call it, you know, they ⁓ humanity as it is. They just think that most of us are useless, you know, and we, ⁓ though that the AI, machines need so many resources, they find that we need even more resources. because we need food and you know, you have to entertain us and you have to contain us and you have to, you know. So for them, it's just so easy to a little bit of fun. It's like a golden cage kind of scenario I find. You you create like your little town where you are, where you live with all the fun things, know, theatres, nightclubs, whatever people enjoy here. HEAL: you Amelie: have some alcohol, have fun, this and that, you know. And you, if you're not aware of what's happening, then you you don't care because you're fine in your little cage. But there is no freedom and you can really tell that things are happening like this right now. Like there's definitely an agenda. That's a different episode completely. I just, I don't that this is something that is just HEAL: It's consuming, consuming, consuming. Give me your money, you know. Amelie: new right now. This has just been around for so long but it's coming out now. But yeah I do agree with Lynn like there's definitely something. Lynn: Yeah, it's been around forever. ⁓ HEAL: Yes. But they have created a momentum and its projection is taking control of the whole humanity. As I say, think it's ideal that we can be conscious that we can use the tools, but as a help, as an aid, as ⁓ that we have control and we want to control. that we want to use it to create something positive for ourselves and others, but not forgetting that we are the human and we should be the one in control of the machine and not the other way around because we have to be very cautious about the manipulation of our own emotions, manipulations of our language, our conversations and everything that they can interact by mimicking, by faking it. You know, so that's the thing that in my opinion we have to preserve is the sense that human beings are superior than machines and that they cannot replace us. They cannot feel, they cannot experience, we can use them in order to enhance and to facilitate our lives. And that is my personal opinion. Lynn: So far, so far they cannot, maybe. Yeah, so far. think that's a... No, I think we can about ⁓ wind down. We can about wind down, I think. And with a last thought that might be very controversial from my side, then we can go into the card. Because I feel there's a lot of talk about inferiority and... Amelie: Yeah, so far. So far. I'm sure that the machine would not agree with that. HEAL: ⁓ They don't feel it, so they don't care. Yes. Amelie: ⁓ yeah. Lynn: In my opinion, and this is my opinion, right? But in my opinion, is very cultural and is very, well, say it could be very Christian Abrahamic centered, which ⁓ I'm going to awareness here because in the Abrahamic religions, you know, a few religions, is like this idea that a ⁓ God created the earth. created humans and put the humans on top of the chain to have dominion over everything else. This is some cultures, not all cultures. And I think in these cultures, these cultures are very scared about this whole idea that something else might be superior to humanity, be that machines or something else. These cultures are scared and these and are all these fear waves or whatever out right now. While in other cultures it's not so. In many Asian cultures, where it's very based, ⁓ myself, there's no such thing as the human being being on top of the chain. We are ⁓ part of a big consciousness ⁓ that we share. We share it with animals, the ⁓ HEAL: Yes, yes. Yes. Lynn: With anything that we believe has a soul, which is very individual, as an animist, animists believe very many things have souls that other people do not think have souls. Like stones, like trees, like a river, like a mountain, like maybe in the future something that has a non-biological body. in that case, or in that sense, there this whole idea of like the AI being the downfall of humanity HEAL: Okay. Lynn: because it's superior, might be superior, it's not a discussion at all. They're not that scared. They don't think about it as an apocalypse. I'm like, ⁓ my God, the end of the world because machines are taking over. Not the case. ⁓ I just want to put that out there and raise awareness for this because you might have to think and you might have to actually mirror yourself a little bit and your own culture and what kind of system you actually brought up in, why you're thinking about AI ⁓ machines in that sense, the way you do. HEAL: Yeah, in that point, I just wanted to. Lynn: That's the end. All right. Amelie: It made me think of all these Japanese manga films that I've been watching when I was younger with all like cyborgs and stuff. think ⁓ in the Shell was my favourite one and ⁓ bit- Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ghost in a Shell is a very good one that makes you really think a little bit. Amelie: it makes you really think and the scene, you know, because she becomes so human-like, but then she tries to open this latch on top of this big thing and like her arms just rip apart because she's so strong. that particular image for me, that's very much like you have the like human emotion, but also the... the kind of robotic emotion of like, can just tear my body because I can just fix myself or someone can just just interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Yeah. ⁓ right. HEAL: But what I found very sad now as well is that AI has become like the new God, you know. is the trust that people put in AI. If AI is the right thing, it's the intelligent thing. Now people, lose even facing consequences for it. Oh no, AI did it. You write the report, AI wrote it for me. Or they justify things because, it was the algorithm, or it was... Lynn: dog ate my homework. Amelie: Yeah, no. HEAL: giving our power in adoration in word because they think a million of words in a second or the information is an odd to inform data, you know. ⁓ Lynn: I don't think really that's happening, Amelie: I don't know. I don't know. don't know. I don't I haven't really like, I haven't really ⁓ anyone ⁓ ⁓ praising AI, but that that might because might because I'm not really into these realms. ⁓ But do find that but I actually I actually had a question to chat GPT ⁓ and it did not want to reply because HEAL: But look at social media. Amelie: it felt that I was out of line so it just like shut the thing off. It just shut itself off like no this is not okay and then it wasn't I don't even remember what it was I just thought it was funny so I probably took it a little bit too far but yeah I don't I don't know I think HEAL: You broke it. Lynn: You HEAL: You broke Chachi PP. But look, AI is manipulating all the algorithms in social media. All the platforms of social media are AI. So, I just see the influence of all these algorithms and the addiction that has created in the whole humanity. Everyone is in these platforms of social media, ⁓ And this is a positive thing. Look at the use of YouTube, they are doing podcasts. Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: Yeah. Yes, of course. Yes. Lynn: And we're using that, yeah, and we're using it right now. Amelie: Including... Including... Lynn: The platform we're using right now to record has a lot of AI in it and it's very helpful to edit. Just putting it out there, it's very helpful. All right. Amelie: Absolutely, ⁓ AI is ⁓ great, great to edit with, that's for sure. And we also have the tarot deck that has been created by AI and I just really want to know. Lynn: Great tool. All right, let's see. Yeah. which I do not like, as I said, I do not like the deck and I can't say why I don't like it. ⁓ yes, but let's maybe look at the card first that I pulled. Or yeah, I don't know if you want to guess, but it's very hard to guess. I'll just show you. I'll just show you what it is. I'll see what it takes it up. Amelie: I want to know HEAL: is the tool of sorts. Lynn: The two of swords. It's a two of swords. And you see, yes. So you see a lady, a knight, I guess. She's in full breastplate armor. Of course, the way that people like to envision females to have worn breastplate armor, which is not the case, of course, but it's sexy, right? So we have this woman with two swords. Yeah, we have the woman with two swords in the breastplate armor. Amelie: two swords. HEAL: Yes. It's sexy. Lynn: And there's a flower in her hair and then she has she's a warrior. You see that there's blood on her in her face and she's looking quite challenging at the onlooker. So it's supposed to be the two swords. And the only thing really that is too of swords to me on this card is because there's two swords in it. And I feel a lot of a lot of yeah, a lot of. Amelie: Two swords. Lynn: AI created Teradex that I've seen are really just like random images, but not connected to the actual meaning of they're supposed to be, right? Because, okay, it's two sorts, but what do I interpret out of it? Like with this one, I would have to interpret something like, if I were to lean into, right, that it has to do something with maybe a challenge, or maybe she's after she's just slaughtered somebody. So we could maybe pull that. Okay, now it's a peaceful moment because HEAL: you Lynn: Yeah, I don't know. Because normally the two swords is more like an image of peace. It's called ⁓ peace. Yeah. Amelie: It's hard to, it's, yeah, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard to determine. It's hard to determine just by looking at the picture when you know the actual meaning. It would be really interesting to, if there's someone that does not know the actual meaning, what they saw in that particular AI card. HEAL: Because it's so deep, look. Look at the truth for it. Lynn: Yes. ⁓ Mm. Mm. Yeah, if they did, and that's what I don't know if you can intuit on it or not, because I cannot intuit on this deck. too random for me. It's really just random images. basically, if I were to use this deck, I would just think, what is that card another deck? mean, with some decks, even AI created, I have to do that if they're very like, just artsy, you know, but ⁓ not. one just is the most random. HEAL: Yeah, because I look so different, but... yes. Amelie: Hmm. Lynn: deck that I own I think. I just saw, I don't know, like I just saw some pictures of it on Etsy back then and I think it was probably 3am and I was like ⁓ this is nice and then I bought it but then yeah. Amelie: I It has happened to me as well, you just see something in the middle of the night and then in the morning you wake up and you see like, this has been shipped, like ⁓ what did I get? ⁓ god no. ⁓ HEAL: One. Okay. Lynn: Yeah, I mean, some of the images, you know, they're interesting images. They're nice, but they I feel they don't really have to do with the actual actual, you know, card meaning. ⁓ Amelie: But I feel like this is not really the actual AI's fault. This is the person that did the DEX fault because they did not tell the AI what the meaning is. So I have to be on the AI side right here. Lynn: Yes, that's correct. Yes, yes, they did not give really good inputs. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's just that the A.I. did its job. So it probably just they create an image of two, you know, how he would interpret the two swords and then boom. Blood two swords. Yes. I mean, sure. Why not? You know, but yeah. Amelie: Yeah. Two of sorts. Sexy woman, blood, big boobs, two of sorts. HEAL: But even if you can't use chat gpt right now as the meaning of the two swords of tarot and it's, ⁓ Lynn: Yeah, it's much better. Yeah, but it's much better. Like now it would be much better. This is from like maybe two or three years ago. So maybe if they did the same thing, it'd be better. HEAL: Sometimes I spend long time, you know, I'm playing with AI and in the Three of Life and the Kabbalistic and the horoscope and the thing like that. And I say integrated with the Chinese horoscope. so I go in a rabbit hole just with each card, you know. So I found that in that interaction with AI, love it, you know, with chat gpt playing Taro. But because it comes from me. Lynn: Mm. Yeah, yeah, it can do all that. ⁓ HEAL: And I always remember as well that AI present us the reply, but it's us who experience the, we react to the experience and we decide, I like this. yes, I think this has value. yes, I think this is the right answer. Or ⁓ I, know, it was but that is the human interpretation. No AI. Yeah. Lynn: Yes. Yeah, not taking it at face value, yeah, yeah, running it through our own experience. that's based that this brings us back to the start. We talked about this in the beginning. Yeah. So, yeah, great. That was the loop-de-loops. That was that was our discussion. just we just went blindly into this ⁓ chatting about ⁓ AI. ⁓ ⁓ Amelie: I like to question it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly! It wasn't as violent as I thought it might be. Lynn: It might be because we are in different places as well so nobody got stabbed or hit with a hammer. So yeah, that was the tension on that. for listening or watching. If liked what you heard, please comment, like and subscribe. See you in the next rabbit hole guys. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah. HEAL: Yes, let us know what you think about AI yourselves. Yeah guys, let us know. Yeah Lynn: Yes, are you using it? I'm pretty sure you are. yeah, we see you. We are everywhere. ⁓ night, everybody. Amelie: you! ⁓ We see you! HEAL: But Amelie: Bye! HEAL: Bye!