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The Happy Valley Dream Survey · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Wait, true, true, I'm a check. I'm hey, everybody, Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown. Who are you?
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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's Connor Maspadden back in the trap, baby.
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Speaker 1: In the cut. How's it going, man?
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Speaker 2: Oh man? Never better, dude, I'm so happy to be
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Speaker 2: back on the program. I've been I was telling Adam
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Speaker 2: off Mike before the show. I've been inundated with lovely
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Speaker 2: messages from Conspiracy to the show fans. I truly forget
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Speaker 2: that this show is popular and people listen to it.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've gotten a lot of folks like I'm
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Speaker 2: driving cost Country. I've been listening to you talk about
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Speaker 2: fucking pedophiles all day.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, You're the only fucking conspiracy show that
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Speaker 2: I can listen to that doesn't sound like some guy
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Speaker 2: trying to sell me fucking survival ration supplies, you know.
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Speaker 2: So the feedback has been great, and I'm stoked to
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Speaker 2: talk about this one because this is something I had
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Speaker 2: never heard about, and I probably wouldn't have found out
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Speaker 2: about my own.
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Speaker 1: We do need to get into selling survival supplies, though
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Speaker 1: I don't like that we're just leaving money on the table.
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Speaker 2: I want to get into owning survival supplies, Adam. Have
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Speaker 2: you have you checked the temperature out there?
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Speaker 1: There was an earthquake here yesterday and I got a
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Speaker 1: Google alert that was like, put your shoes.
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Speaker 2: On what now, dude? I? Well, I fucking I scored
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Speaker 2: this clutch corner apartment in an old building and it's
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Speaker 2: got exposed brick on the wall, and it's on the
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Speaker 2: fifth floor, and I got a great view of the
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Speaker 2: whole city, and I'm like, man, I'm a boss. And
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Speaker 2: when you're sitting up there and you feel the whole
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Speaker 2: building shake, You're like, I'm gonna die, all right. I
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Speaker 2: have a shitload of fucking plate weights and dumbbells just
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Speaker 2: sitting in my living room and the floor is gonna
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Speaker 2: those are gonna crash onto a baby's head in the
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Speaker 2: unit below me, And uh, I'm gonna get a fucking
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Speaker 2: rafter through my guts and bleed out and try to
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Speaker 2: text my mom something before I pass out. You know,
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Speaker 2: I'm fucking ske I was so freaked out, man, I
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Speaker 2: think about the big one all the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that one carried on for a while. I was like,
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Speaker 1: is this it? Is it gonna get? Is this gonna
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Speaker 1: be the one.
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Speaker 2: Me and my girl are watching He's Bounding Down, or
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Speaker 2: we're both looking at each other. I'm like, are we
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Speaker 2: gonna die looking at Danny McBride's nuts? Is this how
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Speaker 2: it ends?
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Speaker 1: That would be a bad way to go.
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Speaker 2: I could think of worse. He's Bounding Down is a
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Speaker 2: great program, and I you know, I've got a lot
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Speaker 2: of respect for the team there, But yeah, I would
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Speaker 2: I would have preferred a more paroetic death. You know,
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Speaker 2: at least I could if I could die in some
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Speaker 2: kind of Andrew Jackson duel or some sort of deal
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Speaker 2: gone awry in some back room Hollywood shit. But if
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Speaker 2: I fall through the floor of the fucking Liedo apartments,
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Speaker 2: you know whatever.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of cool ways to die, that's kind of
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about today. This is a thing I
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Speaker 1: had no knowledge of whatsoever. And we recorded. We have
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Speaker 1: a call in chat show that we do as a
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Speaker 1: bonus thing on on Pops called sixty nine Minutes and
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, me and chat Wilde just basically do a
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Speaker 1: zoom call with another on Pops host and a bunch
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Speaker 1: of fans every month.
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Speaker 2: Oh dude, yeah, you got to get me on there.
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Speaker 2: I've always wanted to do like a love line style
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Speaker 2: radio show that kicks ass.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll definitely have you on. It's a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: We just did the first one and a listener named
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Speaker 1: Mikey C called in and he asked me if I
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Speaker 1: had heard anything about this theory that the world was
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Speaker 1: going to end on September fifth.
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Speaker 2: There's always a new world's gonna end date. There's always one,
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Speaker 2: like on the books, like, well, guys, it's coming up
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Speaker 2: November fourteenth, you know, if you believe the Branch Davidians
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Speaker 2: they got you know, that's what they're saying.
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Speaker 1: It feels like it always involves a five too, Like
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Speaker 1: this one's September fifth. Last one was May something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've been fucking getting you know. It's I've
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Speaker 2: been like I read Rizz's book a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: It's called the Tao of Wu, and he breaks down
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Speaker 2: the nation of Islam and divine mathematics and shit like
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Speaker 2: that into to a certain degree in the book, and
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Speaker 2: fuck man, if some of that shit don't make sense,
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Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I buy into this religion way more
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Speaker 2: than Christianity, And if they would take white five percenters,
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Speaker 2: I'd probably go to the meetings. You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: H MC search from Third Base was a five percenter.
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Speaker 2: Is he is he of the Caucasian persuasion.
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Speaker 1: Not only that he's Jewish.
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Speaker 2: Yo. Respect. That's fucking good for you five percenters in.
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Speaker 1: The Nation of Islam.
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Speaker 2: That is dam dude.
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Speaker 1: That's a success story right there.
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Speaker 2: Your street card has unlimited metro points, man, that's fucking legit.
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Speaker 1: So I started looking into this, and it turns out
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Speaker 1: there were a whole lot of people who spent a
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Speaker 1: good part of twenty twenty and probably even longer than that,
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Speaker 1: worried that the world was gonna end on September fifth,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty YEA.
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Speaker 2: And it's like, if what's this date shit to me?
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm gonna every time I hear a
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Speaker 2: loud boom outside, I go, well, I'm going to look outside.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be bright as daylight at nine pm and
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Speaker 2: then I'm gonna feel the fucking shockwave come and kill me.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm more of a nuclear bomb fear. But
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Speaker 2: the date shit is interesting. You know that the people
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Speaker 2: would put so much credence in that, well everything is
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Speaker 2: falling apart.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it especially if you're like, looking at it
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Speaker 1: from a Bible perspective, it makes no sense because like,
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Speaker 1: if you're basing this on Bible stuff, like it says
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Speaker 1: in the Bible, you're not gonna know when the end
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Speaker 1: of the world comes. It's just which is what I
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Speaker 1: want obviously? Oh, Like, for sure, I want to get
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Speaker 1: hit by the meteor if nothing else.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to fucking stay inside for three days
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Speaker 2: and then goes scavenge for supplies in the fallout like
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Speaker 2: I'm good man.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a marauder. I don't have it in me.
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Speaker 2: I I can't buy a gun for five years for
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Speaker 2: a reason that I think you'll be able to deduce.
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Speaker 2: But I fucking if I had like a pistol and
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Speaker 2: that shit happened, I'm like, I'd probably like I'd go
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Speaker 2: outside and I'd take the temperature and see how much
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Speaker 2: of the common good was still floating around in the air.
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Speaker 2: But if it was even a little bit fucked up,
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Speaker 2: I'd probably just go, let's call it a life bang,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 2: That was what the guy who made Walking Dead said
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Speaker 2: when everyone's like, what's your zombie survival plan, dude, and
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Speaker 2: he's like, well, first of all, that's fucking fiction. And
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Speaker 2: second of all, I would kill myself and my young
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Speaker 2: son so I wouldn't have to eat trash with him
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Speaker 2: in the wasteland. And I was like, yeah, dude, I'm
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Speaker 2: with Horse.
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Speaker 1: So the caller on this episode he mentioned, weirdly enough,
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Speaker 1: payphones and that this was all somehow tied to payphones.
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Speaker 1: So I promised to look into it. And now here
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Speaker 1: we are, and I did some googling around, and this
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Speaker 1: whole thing starts in twenty fifteen in Portland, Oregon, where
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Speaker 1: everything that might be a high level government social experiment starts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's where you find people, you know what.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting about this MK ultra shit. They
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Speaker 2: always operate in kind of liberal hives, like San Francisco
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Speaker 2: with the fucking the brothels and the LSD. It's they
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Speaker 2: go for a place where the people are open minded
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Speaker 2: and ideologically flexible, and they go, we've got some wet
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Speaker 2: clay here in society. What can we mold this into?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of MK ultra happened at colleges and universities,
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Speaker 1: which would be the same thing. And yeah, in Portland,
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Speaker 1: these flyers started appearing that we're advertising something called the
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Speaker 1: Willamette Valley Dream Survey.
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Speaker 2: Which great name for a band from Portland.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be an amazing band name.
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Speaker 2: They've got three men players and if you listen to
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Speaker 2: the records, they need all of them. They're all playing
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Speaker 2: their part.
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Speaker 1: And I know for a fact it's pronounced will Lammett
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Speaker 1: and not Willamette because I was in Oregon once and
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Speaker 1: I got corrected by a fucking local.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't you hate that? I had that when
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Speaker 2: I went to Miami, Oregon. They were like, it ain't Miami.
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Speaker 2: You gotta say it more racistly.
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Speaker 1: It's Miama.
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Speaker 2: You gotta put some slur in your heart when you
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Speaker 2: pronounced Miama. That's an Oregon Yeah, man. I did a
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Speaker 2: gig there. They had a casino gig called the Looney Saloon,
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Speaker 2: and you got a fucking buffet card. I went back
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Speaker 2: to the hotel and actually hot tubbed with like a
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Speaker 2: four hundred pound Mexican skinhead gangster who was reformed, and
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Speaker 2: we fucking had a great time meet him and Keith Carey.
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Speaker 1: That does sound like a good time.
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Speaker 2: This was after I met a homeless man named Moon
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Speaker 2: breaking into his own Volkswagen van in the parking lot
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Speaker 2: and he was like, Oh, don't worry about it, this
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Speaker 2: is my van. And I was like, some reason, man,
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Speaker 2: I fucking believe you. And yeah, came back later and
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Speaker 2: he was in there with some other homeless chick and
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Speaker 2: he told us a dirty Christmas poem, you know all
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Speaker 2: that shit. But it's will Lammittt. I know this from
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Speaker 2: the Dead Rising games. If there's any old Xbox heads, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of like a mid size, semi suburban sort
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Speaker 2: of place in Oregon, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think there's a river that runs through Oregon,
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Speaker 1: also called the Willamette. And these flyers that started going up,
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Speaker 1: this is what they said, have you been having strange dreams?
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Speaker 1: The Willamette Valley Dream Survey is investigating a recent spike
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Speaker 1: and bizarre, unexplainable dreams. If you have been experiencing any
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Speaker 1: unusual dream activity, you can help by reporting a summary.
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Speaker 1: Please call nine seven one, two five eight fourteen sixty
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Speaker 1: five with a description of your dream.
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Speaker 2: That's a very tantalizing prompt And.
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Speaker 1: Of course a lot of people at that time we're like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I am having weird dreams. So they
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Speaker 1: started calling this number and people also started searching the
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Speaker 1: internet to try and find the source of this number.
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Speaker 1: Of course, even a local news channel in Oregon tried
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Speaker 1: to track down the source of this and they traced
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Speaker 1: it to a German language immersion school program. But when
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Speaker 1: they contacted that school, they they were like, yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: not using the number anymore. Uh.
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, the fucking the trail of breadcrumbs feels almost
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Speaker 2: deliberately misleading, Like some guy was just cold calling different
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Speaker 2: weird and he had like a deli meat producer in
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Speaker 2: Arkansas and the fucking preschool in Maine. And as soon
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Speaker 2: as somebody was just like, yeah, we'll take the fucking
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Speaker 2: cash under the table to route the phone number through here,
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Speaker 2: he was just like perfect, nobody will ever be able
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Speaker 2: to find out, and they'll project all their own meaning
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Speaker 2: onto this strange fucking German language school, you know, and
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Speaker 2: then you wonder like, oh, maybe he fucking worked there,
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's fucking maybe they're up, you know, maybe the
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Speaker 2: Germans are doing this to fuck with people. You know,
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Speaker 2: it raises so many interesting questions.
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Speaker 1: I would be weirded out a little bit if I
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Speaker 1: saw this.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's one of these uh you know, you
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Speaker 2: see so much bullshit promotional advertising on the street, but
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Speaker 2: every once in a while there's something that is a
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Speaker 2: little sincere and a little bit out there and it
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Speaker 2: just grabs you. And like this guy did a very
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Speaker 2: good job of creating this campaign. Whoever made this uh
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Speaker 2: and making it you know, like I said, tantalizing, you
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Speaker 2: know something that you want to engage with. I have,
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Speaker 2: you know what my girl I have? But my girlfriend
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Speaker 2: has let me take a picture of this and I'll
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Speaker 2: text it to her.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's a good call to action.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when people would call, this is the automated
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Speaker 1: female voice that they would hear. Thank you for calling
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Speaker 1: the willam Atte Valley Dream Survey. Please leave a detailed
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Speaker 1: the talent of your dream after the tone transcripts or
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Speaker 1: from your report.
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Speaker 2: Maybe complicated in other media. This chick sounds like she smokes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got she's got a pretty rocking voice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they had a there's a way. There's some
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Speaker 2: videos that I'm sure will be in the show notes.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, they got a nice just official sounding like
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Speaker 2: just like the the like a lady that worked at
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Speaker 2: like a small town pharmacy. Like if we are unable
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Speaker 2: to process your prescription at this time. Please call back
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Speaker 2: at this number and leave us a detailed message. It
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Speaker 2: was so nondescript, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's definitely a real person.
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Speaker 2: It's not a robo voice.
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Speaker 1: And you would think with that being the case, you
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Speaker 1: could maybe track down the person who recorded that, like
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Speaker 1: assuming they like went on fiver oh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or some like a fiver gig. You know, there
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Speaker 2: might be some chick would be like, Hey, I just
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Speaker 2: did this for two hundred bucks via PayPal. I didn't
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Speaker 2: know this was gonna be such a fucking thing.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, or along those same lines, one of
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Speaker 1: the people pushing this idea is a YouTuber named Nick Crowley,
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Speaker 1: and he's got all of these videos about all sorts
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Speaker 1: of things. Go check him out if you want. What
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Speaker 1: the fuck do I care? But I bring that up
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Speaker 1: for two reasons. One to give credit.
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Speaker 2: Todd Brown endorses anti Semitic YouTuber.
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Speaker 1: One. I want to give him credit, obviously, but also
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Speaker 1: I would like to log an objection to something he
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Speaker 1: says about all of this, which is he points out
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Speaker 1: the fact that this is a working phone number that
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Speaker 1: leads to a voicemail inbox as proof that people took
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Speaker 1: a lot of time and effort to do this. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's like, no that you can set up a voicemail
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Speaker 1: inbox online in minutes.
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Speaker 2: Dude. I ran a podcast that had a voicemail inbox
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Speaker 2: and it was all free on Google Voice, and I
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Speaker 2: figured out how to set it up in forty five
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Speaker 2: minutes and I never had to change it. I never
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Speaker 2: fucked with that. It was it ran itself after that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, are the Unpop's voicemail line still has I think
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Speaker 1: Brett Raider reads the welcome message because we had changed
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Speaker 1: it since twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 2: No, I still every once in while I still get
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Speaker 2: a little ding on that meme his voicemail line.
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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I have been too. I've been getting calls.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the fucking Willammette Valley Dream survey.
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Speaker 2: Maybe people are just looking for you know, maybe that's
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Speaker 2: the last like an anonymous voicemail services. The closest modern
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Speaker 2: society has to like a secular Catholic confession booth. You know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should set that up.
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Speaker 2: That would be fucking priceless. And the problem would be
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Speaker 2: is that we'd have all the phone numbers right if
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Speaker 2: we did it on Google Voice, it gives you the
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Speaker 2: other guy's number, and then we'd be like, okay, well
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Speaker 2: this man killed somebody and he said he wants to
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Speaker 2: do it again, and we really meant this as kind
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Speaker 2: of an artistic goof, but now I feel obligated to
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Speaker 2: talk to the cops, and that's not something that we
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Speaker 2: had conspiracy of the show. Are ever really happy to do?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: No, no, last option is always to talk to the
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Speaker 1: cops around these.
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Speaker 2: Very last option, correct option. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So this story really started to take off online when
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Speaker 1: it made its way to a Reddit thread where you
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Speaker 1: is her name? Marcus Yallow posted one of the signs,
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Speaker 1: and at that point a bunch of Reddit users jumped
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Speaker 1: in the comments to say, oh, yeah, I have had
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Speaker 1: strange dreams recently, which, of course like that's that's just
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Speaker 1: gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like the more exposure of this thing has,
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Speaker 2: the more people that happened to have been having weird dreams.
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Speaker 2: We'll see it and call the number. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: a self perpetuating prophecy or I don't I don't quite
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Speaker 2: know the word there, but like it's it insists upon
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Speaker 2: itself the larger an audience that it generates with its
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Speaker 2: titillating prompts and nondescriptive voice. You know, it's a well
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Speaker 2: put together thing, you know, and it's and it and
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Speaker 2: it spread like it was a many things that are
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Speaker 2: designed to be viral or designed to go viral or
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Speaker 2: to get exposure and to generate feedback just fall fucking
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Speaker 2: flat because people go, this is fucking a hoax, this
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Speaker 2: is for somebody's fucking Instagram. But something about this, the
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Speaker 2: sincerity of it, just kept on going. And then the
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Speaker 2: Reddit thing it picks up and you can often follow,
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Speaker 2: like you know, if you're a no, you're meme guy
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Speaker 2: or whatever, like the different like exposure points that proliferated it,
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Speaker 2: and you can we can trace a few major ones
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Speaker 2: back in this case, and that Reddit post seems to
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Speaker 2: be definitely kind of the water on the gas fire
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Speaker 2: that really popped this off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really similar to something we're talking about on
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Speaker 1: the Pretty Scary podcast this week, which do you remember
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Speaker 1: the have you Seen this Man phenomenon? No, it was
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Speaker 1: this thing where all these people reported seeing the same
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Speaker 1: man in their dreams. Oh and he would like show
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Speaker 1: up and give advice or sometimes he was.
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Speaker 2: Scary but they all pretty scary.
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Speaker 1: They all reported seeing the same person, and it turned
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Speaker 1: out it was a huge hoax. It was this marketer
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Speaker 1: was doing it for reasons still unknown, but once people
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Speaker 1: saw it, and like the the face was just weird
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Speaker 1: enough that people would see it and go, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I recognize that, but also so common, like he had
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Speaker 1: big eyebrows and his eyes were wide apart, but other
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Speaker 1: than that, he looked like a whole lot of different people.
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Speaker 1: And so people saw that flyer and we're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I've seen him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you can project onto something. And again, if
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Speaker 2: it's a well crafted prompt, it will it will make
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Speaker 2: you think that, oh yeah, I'm one of these people.
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Speaker 2: And this is a bit of a tangent. But I've
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Speaker 2: heard that you cannot dream about a face that you've
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Speaker 2: never seen. You ever hear that old chestnut, you know
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Speaker 2: that's interesting. I have not, And Dave Chappelle has a
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Speaker 2: nice piece on that where I think it is grammy
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Speaker 2: thing where he's like, you know, I've seen so many hot,
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Speaker 2: happy audiences. I've got so many happy faces in my dreams.
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Speaker 2: You know, the world's a lot nicer in there. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true, or if that's a
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Speaker 2: matter of general scientific you know, or dream studying kind
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Speaker 2: of truth that's accepted. But yeah, that goes kind of
17:52
Speaker 2: back to just this this will Ammet number and how
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Speaker 2: you can project your own sort of I don't knows
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Speaker 2: and fantasies and your need to be interesting or a
18:04
Speaker 2: part of a phenomenon or your desire to you know,
18:07
Speaker 2: see some group meaning in the world that's a little
18:09
Speaker 2: paranormal and unexplainable, and then it can just insist upon itself,
18:14
Speaker 2: and then so many people see that face and think
18:16
Speaker 2: about it all day that yeah, they probably ended up
18:17
Speaker 2: dreaming about that. No, I like white eyebrow, you know,
18:20
Speaker 2: weird eyed. Fuck.
18:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this Willamette Dream survey or Willamette Valley dream
18:26
Speaker 1: survey thing starts happening a couple years after the Mandela
18:31
Speaker 1: effect starts becoming a thing, which seems so very similar.
18:36
Speaker 2: Where Mandela effects creeped me the fuck out. I got
18:39
Speaker 2: I got got by that one. As a man in
18:41
Speaker 2: my early twenties, I was like, I remember the barren
18:44
Speaker 2: steam Bears. What the fuck is going on?
18:47
Speaker 1: Man?
18:48
Speaker 2: The aliens are running the show. I like, was at
18:51
Speaker 2: a comedy show and I found out about it, and
18:53
Speaker 2: I drove home early and I was like, in the carlor.
18:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just we did a pretty scary ep about
19:00
Speaker 1: that recently too, because it's all tied to this theory
19:03
Speaker 1: that the world ended in twenty twelve and we were
19:06
Speaker 1: all shifted, our consciousness, all shifted to a parallel but
19:11
Speaker 1: slightly different universe, and that's why shit's been weird ever since.
19:16
Speaker 1: But it's also that's the kind of I feel like,
19:19
Speaker 1: sort of a similar thing where even though for the
19:22
Speaker 1: most part, if you look into those examples of Mandela
19:25
Speaker 1: effect stuff, they all have explanations.
19:29
Speaker 2: Yes, there's there is always a pretty like solid like
19:33
Speaker 2: fucking oh okay, yeah that makes sense, you know, And
19:38
Speaker 2: it's all and it comes down to human error, which
19:40
Speaker 2: people don't like admitting to.
19:42
Speaker 1: Hap right, people don't like admitting human error, and people
19:45
Speaker 1: love being part of a group. Yep.
19:47
Speaker 2: Ain't that always? Ain't that the Crusades brother?
19:50
Speaker 1: So when you go online and you find out Hannibal
19:54
Speaker 1: Lecter never said well, hello, Clarice in Silence of the Lambs,
19:59
Speaker 1: you just that information and go, oh okay, yeah, we're
20:02
Speaker 1: in a different parallel universe and all these other people
20:05
Speaker 1: agree with me. So I have friends now, but also
20:09
Speaker 1: if you just look into it a little bit further,
20:11
Speaker 1: he does say that, but he says it in the sequel.
20:13
Speaker 1: He doesn't say it in silence of lambs.
20:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, Indiana Jones doesn't grab his hat from underneath that thing.
20:21
Speaker 2: That was just something that got parodied in in SNL sketches.
20:26
Speaker 2: He grabs a whip in the movie. But everybody thinks
20:29
Speaker 2: everyone references I did for many years myself as a
20:31
Speaker 2: guy who fucking does nothing, but Hackey references in his
20:34
Speaker 2: comedy that I thought it was a fucking hat. You know,
20:36
Speaker 2: it's just something that happens somewhat naturally. You know, it's
20:39
Speaker 2: a natural memory error. That's you know, you know people have.
20:44
Speaker 2: It's like you don't want to admit that you're that
20:46
Speaker 2: similar to somebody that you have the same reaction and
20:48
Speaker 2: the same flawed reaction. Like in my own life. I
20:51
Speaker 2: was once robbed in San Francisco, and I feel, this
20:54
Speaker 2: is a this is a very it's not gonna make
20:56
Speaker 2: me look very good or woke aus a white dude,
20:58
Speaker 2: but it was a It was literally a heavy interracial
21:01
Speaker 2: duo of like a black guy and like a brown
21:03
Speaker 2: skinned Hispanic or Arab guy. We couldn't make it out.
21:05
Speaker 2: They were stealing our suitcases and we were chasing them
21:08
Speaker 2: up this hill and one of them said, hey, motherfuckers,
21:11
Speaker 2: just you know, shoot him, shoot them, and they were
21:14
Speaker 2: clearly bluffing, and me and the guy were just like
21:16
Speaker 2: looked at each other and we go, these guys are
21:17
Speaker 2: full of shit, but I'm not risking it for whatever
21:19
Speaker 2: in that suitcase. And we just backed up and then
21:21
Speaker 2: the cops came and it was a very stressful night
21:23
Speaker 2: and night to fly back the next day. And the
21:25
Speaker 2: cop was like, who took the bags? And I just
21:27
Speaker 2: jumped up and I was like it was two African
21:28
Speaker 2: American guys, and the cop and my buddy that I
21:31
Speaker 2: was with, Max was like, no, it was an African
21:33
Speaker 2: American guy and a brownskin guy. And I was like, fuck,
21:35
Speaker 2: you're right, I am a racist piece of shit. You
21:38
Speaker 2: know what happened? That shit like it just memory, you know,
21:41
Speaker 2: you perceive things and you have air cognitive air. It's
21:44
Speaker 2: all come down to fucking cortizone adrenaline stress.
21:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, So fast forward to April thirtieth, twenty twenty, because
21:52
Speaker 1: this the Willamette Valley Dream Survey. It was just kind
21:56
Speaker 1: of that it was a Reddit post, and then people
21:59
Speaker 1: thought it was weird, and no one ever really found
22:01
Speaker 1: anything out about it, so we just sort of moved.
22:04
Speaker 1: On April thirtieth, twenty twenty, a post goes up on
22:07
Speaker 1: Reddit about a strange flyer posted on a telephone poll
22:11
Speaker 1: in Utah. And here's what it said. Have you been
22:14
Speaker 1: having strange dreams? The Happy Valley Dream Survey is investigating
22:19
Speaker 1: a recent spike in bizarre, unexplainable dreams. If you have
22:23
Speaker 1: been experiencing any unusual dream activity, you can help by
22:27
Speaker 1: reporting a summary. Please contact either Happy Valley Dream Survey
22:31
Speaker 1: at mail dot com or seven two five three three
22:36
Speaker 1: three nine oh six seven and leave a description of
22:39
Speaker 1: your dream. So here we go again, Yeah.
22:42
Speaker 2: Same same shit, different place.
22:44
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if this is something government related.
22:49
Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's like, who needs this data? Is
22:52
Speaker 2: it somebody putting together a ex post facto documentary about
22:57
Speaker 2: this reaction to this art project, to this spiritual prompt
23:01
Speaker 2: in the wild. Is it about to decay of modern
23:05
Speaker 2: fucking paranormal thinking and dream analysis in this increasingly technocratic society,
23:12
Speaker 2: Or is someone you know at the CIA going Are
23:16
Speaker 2: there patterns to this DMT scape that we seem to
23:19
Speaker 2: enter when we take this drug? Or is there a
23:22
Speaker 2: landscape to the world of dreams? Are there common threads
23:25
Speaker 2: that permeate throughout society and affect the world in unconscious ways?
23:30
Speaker 2: Like the ancient Egyptians thought that the pharaoh went to
23:33
Speaker 2: sleep and then his soul left his body and fucking
23:37
Speaker 2: pushed the society forward. He made the rains come and
23:41
Speaker 2: the fucking tides drop and the soil get fertilized. Are
23:44
Speaker 2: they on some shit like that? I mean, they've got
23:46
Speaker 2: too much money and nothing but fucking time and weird
23:49
Speaker 2: ideas like they'll throw a shot at anything, you know.
23:52
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. Like I think people underestimate how
23:57
Speaker 1: much time and resources the very Like we have sixteen
24:01
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies in the United States and.
24:04
Speaker 2: There's not even that much intelligence in his country at them.
24:07
Speaker 1: Right and are Like, if you're worried about police budgets
24:10
Speaker 1: in your area, wait till you hear what our black
24:13
Speaker 1: ops budget is every year in the United States. We
24:16
Speaker 1: spend so much money.
24:18
Speaker 2: It's like the United States got divorced to a woman
24:20
Speaker 2: named Darpa and we owe her in a bigger child
24:23
Speaker 2: support payment every year pretty much. And they're not just
24:26
Speaker 2: making cool SR seventy one blackbirds that you're gonna be
24:29
Speaker 2: able to look at in an Air Force museum someday,
24:31
Speaker 2: like they are doing some shit.
24:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I know, we all love to think MK
24:36
Speaker 1: Ultra ended after we found out about it in the seventies,
24:40
Speaker 1: but there's no fucking way that's true.
24:43
Speaker 2: And I like to point out the only reason we
24:45
Speaker 2: found out about it is because a fucking copy clerk
24:47
Speaker 2: filed some documents wrong and a very I don't know
24:50
Speaker 2: by the books little bureaucrats said hey, I found all
24:53
Speaker 2: these documents, they're in the wrong place, and then Freedom
24:55
Speaker 2: of Information Act blah blah blah blah blah, and now
24:57
Speaker 2: we know about it. And that's just one thing we
25:00
Speaker 2: know about. That's just one of these things they fucking did.
25:04
Speaker 2: Like even like you go back to the shit that's
25:06
Speaker 2: now declassified from World War Two. We were trying to
25:09
Speaker 2: teach bats how to fly across the sea with bombs
25:11
Speaker 2: on their bellies and roost in the eaves of these
25:15
Speaker 2: fucking traditional Shintoist buildings with paper walls inflammable bamboo, so
25:19
Speaker 2: that they could cause mass fucking program and genocide via bats.
25:24
Speaker 2: You know, they fucking go ape shit on every idea.
25:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, I can't imagine anyone listening to this
25:32
Speaker 1: hasn't looked into mk ultra. But if you haven't, like
25:35
Speaker 1: just go listen to our episode about it, or just
25:38
Speaker 1: go read up on it. Like mm hmm. They were
25:40
Speaker 1: doing crazy things.
25:43
Speaker 2: It's a it's a significant precedent in the world of
25:46
Speaker 2: conspiratorial thinking.
25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it proves that not only were we into
25:52
Speaker 1: exactly this kind of thing, like like thought control or
25:56
Speaker 1: like just being able to find out as much about
26:00
Speaker 1: how the human mind works and what it's capable of.
26:03
Speaker 1: Of course the government's looking into that. Oh yeah, I
26:06
Speaker 1: don't think mk ultra would have carried on for I
26:09
Speaker 1: think it was like two decades, twenty five years something
26:12
Speaker 1: like that if they never found anything.
26:15
Speaker 2: We make this point quite often it's like they have
26:18
Speaker 2: all this disposable money, they have all this fucking time
26:21
Speaker 2: they waste your taxpayer dollars, but at the end of
26:23
Speaker 2: the day, results or results or results, and if you're
26:27
Speaker 2: not bringing home the bake and they're gonna give it
26:29
Speaker 2: to some other guy who tries to you know, teach
26:31
Speaker 2: fucking twins how to do telepathy, you know what I mean.
26:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, And with something like this, like I, I don't know,
26:38
Speaker 1: I could only speculate on what they would be doing,
26:41
Speaker 1: but you don't know what the government's up to now.
26:44
Speaker 1: They could have a way to control our dreams.
26:47
Speaker 2: And honestly, Adam, I've looked into in our time apart,
26:50
Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to you in some time. I'm very
26:51
Speaker 2: remiss about that fact. But I've been learning about some
26:55
Speaker 2: of these crackpot theories about consciousness. Most interesting to me
26:58
Speaker 2: is a spiral dynas amis a theory for mister Don Beck,
27:03
Speaker 2: and integral theory from a guy named Ken Weber. And
27:06
Speaker 2: these guys, like many people that have correct ideas, like
27:09
Speaker 2: we were treating ulcers wrong for fucking decades because I
27:12
Speaker 2: don't know, the pharmacceutical industry had that shit locked up
27:15
Speaker 2: tight and they wouldn't listen to any new ideas, and
27:17
Speaker 2: finally they figured out how it fucking worked. And they're
27:20
Speaker 2: pretty compelling, they're pretty they make intuitive sense to you,
27:23
Speaker 2: even if they might not be backable by like scientific fact.
27:27
Speaker 2: And there's a good chance that a lot of shit
27:30
Speaker 2: like that, a lot of shit that we get thrown
27:31
Speaker 2: into the crackpot, you know, piled by the great media machine,
27:35
Speaker 2: the Military Industrial Congressional Complex, the whole fucking propaganda MSNBC, Twitter,
27:41
Speaker 2: Sphear fucking misinformation machine that runs itself at this point
27:45
Speaker 2: like a fucking red box. There's a chance that maybe
27:48
Speaker 2: there's guys in a white coat somewhere in a fucking
27:50
Speaker 2: DARPA building going Now. Look, we all know that we're
27:54
Speaker 2: operating on the turquoise tier of spiral dynamic consciousness, and
27:57
Speaker 2: the rest of these fucking sheep cannot find out because
28:00
Speaker 2: they're gonna start wanting free healthcare. They're gonna start wanting fucking,
28:03
Speaker 2: you know, a living wage and a union, and there's
28:06
Speaker 2: no fucking way. We got to make this shit seem
28:09
Speaker 2: like it's ape shit, and we use all this fucking
28:11
Speaker 2: advantage to ourselves. You know, you never fucking know with
28:15
Speaker 2: these people.
28:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about what happened next. Basically, a
28:21
Speaker 1: Happy Valley, for one thing, is the nickname of the
28:24
Speaker 1: area in Utah where the flyer was posted. And the
28:27
Speaker 1: day this went up, a YouTuber named one Regate called
28:30
Speaker 1: the number and posted the entire recording to YouTube. And
28:34
Speaker 1: it's just a British voice saying please leave a description
28:37
Speaker 1: of your dream after the tone, and people who called
28:40
Speaker 1: it claimed they immediately received a text afterwards thanking them
28:45
Speaker 1: for participating.
28:46
Speaker 2: That'll send a childen on your spine.
28:49
Speaker 1: Huh oh, yeah, for sure. They also claimed the number
28:52
Speaker 1: called them back, but somehow no one ever managed to
28:55
Speaker 1: answer one of those calls. Some kind of skeptical about
28:58
Speaker 1: that part that.
28:58
Speaker 2: Could obviously bes that could be people who there's just
29:03
Speaker 2: there's also and there's another thing. Why, it's you can
29:05
Speaker 2: never know anything in this fucking horrible day and age
29:08
Speaker 2: people that just like to fuck with groups. They like
29:11
Speaker 2: to fuck with group think, they like to manipulate thought
29:15
Speaker 2: patterns around commonly agreed upon phenomena, and they've got nothing
29:19
Speaker 2: but burner accounts and time in their mom's basement, so
29:21
Speaker 2: they just go around spreading miss info.
29:24
Speaker 1: There was some speculation that this could be scientists of
29:27
Speaker 1: some sort doing this, which if that's the case, this
29:30
Speaker 1: is a government thing. Like, yeah, science in and of
29:34
Speaker 1: itself doesn't have the time for this kind of shit.
29:36
Speaker 2: And you know what, we don't fund anymore science. Yeah exactly,
29:40
Speaker 2: you know who's the like studies are never fucking double
29:45
Speaker 2: peer reviewed. They're never confirmed. They just give you a
29:48
Speaker 2: headline and they've got whatever shoddy data that they put
29:51
Speaker 2: together to grab that headline, and everyone just goes, there's
29:54
Speaker 2: no money in confirming this shit. You gott to fucking
29:56
Speaker 2: make a new headline. We got to say the University
29:59
Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania said that couples in coronavirus are more likely
30:02
Speaker 2: to break up next week, you know, or whatever the
30:04
Speaker 2: fuck you're doing. There's just no fucking public money or
30:07
Speaker 2: resource or grassroots campaign to fund science because we've got
30:10
Speaker 2: so many other fucking pressing problems in YadA, YadA, YadA.
30:13
Speaker 2: So if someone's got a lot of money to put
30:15
Speaker 2: behind a project, it's not outside the realm of possibility
30:18
Speaker 2: that it's the CIA, the FBI, one of these sixteen
30:20
Speaker 2: intelligence agencies that get weirder and weirder and more arcane
30:24
Speaker 2: in the name and fucking you know, research department every
30:27
Speaker 2: time they're fucking found and funded and persisted upon.
30:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a misconception that scientists always equates
30:34
Speaker 1: to good person or person that's on the side of
30:39
Speaker 1: the truth. Like the woman behind plandemic is a scientist,
30:42
Speaker 1: and right, she also has a serious bone to pick
30:46
Speaker 1: with Anthony Fauci, which is very clear, and she's participating
30:50
Speaker 1: in a thing that doesn't actually hold up to scientific scrutiny.
30:54
Speaker 1: But she's also technically a scientist.
30:57
Speaker 2: You can pay these people off to win court cases.
30:59
Speaker 2: You can high vira scientist to lie for you in
31:01
Speaker 2: front of a judge and fuck with the jury and
31:04
Speaker 2: make a point for you, you know what I mean. Yeah,
31:06
Speaker 2: it's not hard. There's guys that make the whole living
31:09
Speaker 2: doing that, going oh yeah, this audio that they got
31:12
Speaker 2: on wire from a guy's a double agent. I'm a
31:15
Speaker 2: sound expert, and let me show you why this shit
31:17
Speaker 2: is inadmissible. This is bullshit. It might be crystal clear,
31:20
Speaker 2: you know, it's just fucking It's a gig. Somebody's gonna
31:23
Speaker 2: do it. I drove Postmtes. There's a fucking guy that'll
31:26
Speaker 2: fucking suck whatever devil's dick for however much cash, because
31:29
Speaker 2: he needs it. It's a mean old world.
31:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you watch the documentary about Michael Peterson, who
31:35
Speaker 1: is a guy who's accused of murdering his wife but
31:38
Speaker 1: he's out of prison now, and look at the forensic
31:42
Speaker 1: analysts that they hire in that case. That dude like
31:46
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do when you're investigating a murder
31:49
Speaker 1: is you recreate the murder and then you see what
31:52
Speaker 1: kind of science unfolds around it. And what this guy
31:56
Speaker 1: in this case was doing was trying to conduct it
32:00
Speaker 1: experiments that would give them the results they wanted that
32:03
Speaker 1: matched what happened in the house, which.
32:06
Speaker 2: Is the exacty you're supposed to do science.
32:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the exact opposite of science. But because he's
32:10
Speaker 1: a scientist and when he was in court, people are like, oh, well, yeah,
32:13
Speaker 1: this guy gets it.
32:14
Speaker 2: Obviously, a fucking certificate framed on the wall gives you
32:18
Speaker 2: a lot of cachet because people go, I don't want
32:20
Speaker 2: to learn that shit. And the thing is, it's like,
32:23
Speaker 2: you can learn enough about a lot of these things,
32:25
Speaker 2: and you can use your fucking horse sense and your
32:27
Speaker 2: intuition and your natural predilection towards logic and reason, and
32:30
Speaker 2: you can kind of it's not too hard sometimes, even
32:33
Speaker 2: as a dumb dumb to be able to on a know,
32:36
Speaker 2: make a fucking reasonable disagreement with this. I mean, you
32:39
Speaker 2: and I aren't classically trained in any department. People fucking
32:42
Speaker 2: find us compelling, you know.
32:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. The video also claims that one of the users
32:49
Speaker 1: who uploaded this video, because there were two Reddit users
32:52
Speaker 1: who were most active in terms of looking into this
32:55
Speaker 1: one regate and aliens did nine to eleven, which waw
32:59
Speaker 1: to that us.
33:00
Speaker 2: Be a suspicious though. These two guys, Yeah, they end
33:04
Speaker 2: up they'd be the Nigerian brothers that the Jessie Smile
33:07
Speaker 2: of this whole thing, you know what I'm saying, Like
33:09
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, they end a Reddit account baby.
33:12
Speaker 1: Doing all of this posting about it, but then delete
33:16
Speaker 1: their their accounts like and just sort of disappear in
33:19
Speaker 1: the video claims that one of the users had expressed
33:22
Speaker 1: concerns that they'd gotten into something dangerous, which again I'd
33:28
Speaker 1: love to see screenshots of that, because a lot of
33:31
Speaker 1: this like this is just as easily a thing a
33:34
Speaker 1: person could go out and orchestrate on the internet. Oh yeah,
33:38
Speaker 1: like it would be easy to set up to fake
33:40
Speaker 1: Reddit accounts or even you have friends who help you
33:43
Speaker 1: with it, and then they you plan at some point that, oh,
33:47
Speaker 1: we're going to disappear and make it really mysterious. Like
33:50
Speaker 1: the people making these videos about this could be the
33:53
Speaker 1: people behind this. Also, because there's good money in conspiracy
33:58
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube, provided they don't get banned by the government.
34:04
Speaker 2: And this is so innocuous and it doesn't make any
34:06
Speaker 2: big claims about a big lawsuit happy institution that it
34:10
Speaker 2: can exist and be relatively unmolested in terms of the
34:13
Speaker 2: content moderation department. It's not like a guy like Porcelain,
34:17
Speaker 2: who you know, guys that are more controversial that go
34:20
Speaker 2: out there and they get pulled and they get flagged
34:23
Speaker 2: and they have to have mirror uploads from different accounts
34:25
Speaker 2: that go away every three months and shit like that.
34:27
Speaker 2: It's like you're talking about a phone number, bro, I
34:31
Speaker 2: got guys on here saying that coronavirus was made by
34:34
Speaker 2: a Chinese magician, Like I gotta handle bigger shit fish
34:38
Speaker 2: to fry.
34:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, So stuff like this is just going to kind
34:42
Speaker 1: of fly under the radar. It's not an offensive conspiracy theory,
34:48
Speaker 1: but it's definitely one that because of that group aspect
34:52
Speaker 1: to it and the weird dreams thing, because there have
34:55
Speaker 1: been people reporting having weird dreams during coronavirus.
35:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a great New York Times article about
35:02
Speaker 2: that you shared with me.
35:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so this is the perfect time to roll
35:05
Speaker 1: something like this back out.
35:07
Speaker 2: And also This is the first time that a big
35:10
Speaker 2: societal event has almost forced introspection upon the public, you know,
35:17
Speaker 2: like nine to eleven that forced a lot of judgment
35:20
Speaker 2: onto the Arab world, you know what I mean. Yeah,
35:22
Speaker 2: this has forced you to sit in your house with
35:25
Speaker 2: your wife, your boyfriend, your partner and just chew the
35:29
Speaker 2: meaningless minutia of your day and what happens then, I
35:33
Speaker 2: don't know, you probably have a fucking weird dream or two. Man,
35:36
Speaker 2: sounds like you're a bottling a lot of shit up.
35:38
Speaker 2: You can't call her a bit, you already did that
35:40
Speaker 2: on Thursday, you know what I mean. Like, you gotta
35:42
Speaker 2: fucking pace yourself. We're in a pandemic. It's fucking locked down.
35:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so obviously people were gonna respond to this
35:50
Speaker 1: seeing it again because I think that story about the
35:53
Speaker 1: weird dreams came out before this, So like that could
35:58
Speaker 1: have just as easily been the inspiration for bringing this back.
36:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be what popped it back up in society.
36:04
Speaker 2: You know, you never know, it's like all these you know,
36:07
Speaker 2: you can I say this not as in a dismissive way,
36:10
Speaker 2: but rather it's just a general way of thinking of it.
36:12
Speaker 2: But you know, the ideas are like intellectual pathogens. They spread,
36:15
Speaker 2: they fucking take roost in your mind. You know, they
36:19
Speaker 2: may find more fertile soil in different readers than others.
36:22
Speaker 2: But you know, everything fucking reminds you of something. You know,
36:27
Speaker 2: sometimes like just because someone makes a big tweet, a
36:30
Speaker 2: song goes to number one on iTunes that hasn't been
36:32
Speaker 2: listened to in years, you know, it just shit happens.
36:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what makes me suspicious of this the guy
36:39
Speaker 1: who made the video again, his name's Nick Crowley. He
36:43
Speaker 1: is kind of the main source for all of this,
36:47
Speaker 1: like his like he says, the reddit users disappeared, and
36:51
Speaker 1: he seems to be the only one who got a
36:54
Speaker 1: text message back and was able to strike up an
36:57
Speaker 1: actual conversation with this group. And at one point he
37:01
Speaker 1: gets a He he asks them a bunch of questions
37:06
Speaker 1: and they say, you have to ask the right question,
37:08
Speaker 1: and they finally tell him he does, and he gets
37:10
Speaker 1: a response that says nine go five G which is
37:13
Speaker 1: some foreign language that I don't know, but it roughly
37:18
Speaker 1: translates to September fifth and somehow. And this is a
37:22
Speaker 1: quote from the video that was all I needed to know,
37:25
Speaker 1: And like really like someone texts you September fifth, and
37:29
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I got it figured out. And what
37:30
Speaker 1: I tied it to is there's this group called five
37:33
Speaker 1: September twenty twenty and they've been pushing this idea that
37:37
Speaker 1: an apocalyptic event is happening on that day since back
37:41
Speaker 1: in November twenty nineteen, and that day has since come
37:45
Speaker 1: and gone.
37:46
Speaker 2: With little fanfare. I suppose is there anything that could
37:49
Speaker 2: you know? Did you find any significant like tide change
37:54
Speaker 2: or like a big court decision or social action, Like
37:59
Speaker 2: seems like there was nothing remarkable that took place on
38:01
Speaker 2: the fifth of September this year, clear as I can remember.
38:04
Speaker 2: It was only what twelve days ago?
38:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a pretty normal day. And
38:08
Speaker 1: I did check some of these Reddit threads on that
38:11
Speaker 1: day and people immediately were because it was kind of
38:14
Speaker 1: like I almost said, nine to eleven. Nope, the Y
38:17
Speaker 1: two K bug. Yeah, all you had to do was
38:21
Speaker 1: turn on the TV where and see that in a
38:24
Speaker 1: place like Australia where it was already midnight, everything was fine.
38:28
Speaker 1: So you just immediately got to spend the rest of
38:31
Speaker 1: the day like oh, yeah, this was bullshit. Although the
38:33
Speaker 1: Y two K Bug wasn't bullshit.
38:35
Speaker 2: No, some things happened. And to be fair at him,
38:38
Speaker 2: I think there's only four or five computers in Australia
38:40
Speaker 2: at that time in nineteen ninety nine, so.
38:42
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
38:44
Speaker 2: It's not a great sample size. I think they were
38:46
Speaker 2: mostly using like light brights, director sets, that kind of
38:50
Speaker 2: a thing.
38:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, great fireworks display.
38:52
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, I'm sure.
38:54
Speaker 1: So. Yeah, the we didn't die, there was no no
38:58
Speaker 1: cataclysmic And apparently dreams are really integral to this group.
39:05
Speaker 1: So obviously, according to this video, they're the ones who
39:08
Speaker 1: set this up because the dream surveys and maybe they
39:12
Speaker 1: killed those two redditors because they found the same information
39:15
Speaker 1: Nick Crowley found. He actually says that. Yeah, he says,
39:18
Speaker 1: do you think these redditors were murdered because they found
39:22
Speaker 1: the same information I found? Well, I don't know. Have
39:24
Speaker 1: you been murdered?
39:26
Speaker 2: Yeah? And look, I mean I don't know. I've been
39:29
Speaker 2: to a psych word once in my life. And you
39:31
Speaker 2: talk to a lot of people that are out there,
39:33
Speaker 2: you know, and you'll notice common threads. You'll notice that
39:37
Speaker 2: they like the two guys will just wont not shut
39:40
Speaker 2: up about Russell Westbrook being like a soldier for the devil,
39:43
Speaker 2: and they both got to that idea on their own,
39:46
Speaker 2: you know. And there's just like I said, those intellectual pathogens.
39:49
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, there's got to be common delusion. There's
39:51
Speaker 2: got to be common uh, unconventional conclusions that people that
39:56
Speaker 2: live in altered states of mind more often than the
39:59
Speaker 2: common man come to and agree upon and in some
40:03
Speaker 2: way or another. With the proliferation of information being so
40:06
Speaker 2: fucking readily available at our fingertips in this age of information,
40:09
Speaker 2: those things start to develop patterns and groups and subcommunities
40:14
Speaker 2: and subreddits and message boards and email change and dark
40:18
Speaker 2: web fucking communication networks, and it all grooves and jails together,
40:24
Speaker 2: and it makes it impossible to know anything. As you
40:27
Speaker 2: said earlier in the program.
40:31
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41:36
Speaker 1: this takes another turn, which this part is very weird
41:41
Speaker 1: to me, but just because this is a very weird company.
41:44
Speaker 1: Another YouTuber whose channel is called Tales from the Dark
41:48
Speaker 1: picked up where Nick Crawley left off, and he added
41:52
Speaker 1: another wrinkle to this story. In his video posted August second,
41:57
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, he brings up this company called foot Tell,
42:01
Speaker 1: and I'll admit this is a weird goddamn company.
42:03
Speaker 2: This shit is fascinating to me. This is very interesting.
42:07
Speaker 2: This footel a component of this.
42:10
Speaker 1: They have been putting up payphones all around the country,
42:14
Speaker 1: except they're free, which makes calling them payphones kind of
42:17
Speaker 1: weird and incorrect. Yeah, but you can use them to
42:20
Speaker 1: make calls for free, which I don't know who's doing that.
42:25
Speaker 1: I guess if you're homeless, it would be a benefit.
42:29
Speaker 1: If you're a drug dealer and you're using that payphone,
42:31
Speaker 1: you're a fucking idiot. That's what I was about to say, Like,
42:36
Speaker 1: if that's popping up in your neighborhood for free, don't.
42:39
Speaker 2: I used to do a punk rock podcast called Mean
42:41
Speaker 2: Boys and Adam went over to the shitty house we
42:43
Speaker 2: lived in Echo Park, and I'll tell you there's still
42:45
Speaker 2: active payphones in that neighborhood. And active payphones in this
42:49
Speaker 2: day and age are active. Yeah, there's activity going on there.
42:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell you a bad sign. If you see a payphone,
42:56
Speaker 1: you're somewhere you probably don't want to be.
42:58
Speaker 2: If you see someone talking in a payphone, turn around. Yeah,
43:03
Speaker 2: respect your life.
43:05
Speaker 1: And so you can use them to make free calls.
43:08
Speaker 1: But you can also use these payphones to connect to
43:11
Speaker 1: all sorts of weird things. There's an apology hotline that
43:16
Speaker 1: was apparently set up in the seventies, very crazy.
43:18
Speaker 2: You can just call and that doesn't that doesn't sound
43:21
Speaker 2: like the government. Okay, well, hey, let's fucking fire that
43:24
Speaker 2: back up that thing when we were trying to fish
43:25
Speaker 2: for pedophiles. Let's fucking get that on board. You know.
43:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, there's the Druid of Sisyphis.
43:31
Speaker 2: Oh that guy, he's great.
43:33
Speaker 1: He has a blog on the company website.
43:36
Speaker 2: Very strange, tight, yeah, yeah, mystical shit and also astrology.
43:40
Speaker 2: You know.
43:41
Speaker 1: One of the things you can connect to is the
43:44
Speaker 1: Happy Valley Dream Survey and mm hmm. So that's where
43:50
Speaker 1: Foutel and this dream survey thing become connected. And again
43:57
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna deny for one second. This is a
43:59
Speaker 1: weird goddam company. Oh yeah, no question about it. And
44:03
Speaker 1: these phones they're in super random locations.
44:06
Speaker 2: There's not many of them. The article I read was
44:08
Speaker 2: from a few years back, but it was like there's
44:09
Speaker 2: ten phones scattered across the country.
44:11
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, there's not a lot of them. And
44:14
Speaker 1: when you read about it, it has to be in
44:17
Speaker 1: an area that has a free internet connection.
44:20
Speaker 2: It may be routed through Wi Fi somehow, which you know,
44:23
Speaker 2: again makes the idea of doing a drug deal on
44:25
Speaker 2: there very conspicuous to me. You know, could be a honeypot.
44:29
Speaker 1: So this guy in the Tales from the Dark video,
44:33
Speaker 1: he drives one hundred and fifty three miles to Detroit
44:36
Speaker 1: to use one of these phones, talk about a veteran
44:40
Speaker 1: of the conspiracy theory wars there.
44:43
Speaker 2: Most people only do that for promotional Rick and Morty sauces,
44:46
Speaker 2: you know.
44:46
Speaker 1: I mean he also gets there and decides the phone
44:50
Speaker 1: is in too much of a high crime area and
44:52
Speaker 1: that it's not safe to film a video there, so
44:55
Speaker 1: he leaves, and then all the audio we hear is
44:57
Speaker 1: from someone else's investigation. Which what were you expecting driving
45:02
Speaker 1: to a place with an active payphone in Detroit?
45:05
Speaker 2: Right, Like you can't even break out a video camera,
45:07
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. Yeah, that pisses me off, just
45:11
Speaker 2: because of all the wasted energy driving one hundred and
45:13
Speaker 2: fifty miles.
45:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I fuck with Detroit style pizza. So
45:18
Speaker 1: if he was, oh, in town for that, but otherwise.
45:22
Speaker 2: Little C's baby, that's Detroit style it is.
45:27
Speaker 1: So he does include a recording of one of these videos,
45:32
Speaker 1: and there they are a bunch of really weird options.
45:36
Speaker 1: Like there's there's no denying that, but you have to
45:40
Speaker 1: take into account that there's all those other weird options too.
45:43
Speaker 2: They're all there, all through the same they're rotted through
45:46
Speaker 2: the same mysterious, free, conspicuous odd internet payphone art service,
45:52
Speaker 2: right like what the fuck do you make of that?
45:54
Speaker 2: Like this network of asen nine ideas.
45:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the thing about it that none of the
46:02
Speaker 1: videos bring up, and I hate when conspiracy videos and
46:06
Speaker 1: podcasts do this. There is more information out there about
46:10
Speaker 1: these phones. There's an interview with the founder of this
46:13
Speaker 1: company that was posted on the Metro Times, which is
46:17
Speaker 1: a local Detroit news outlet, and they did an interview
46:21
Speaker 1: with him in November twenty nineteen. The owner's named Carl Anderson.
46:26
Speaker 1: And honestly, this sounds like an art thing, Like, Yeah,
46:30
Speaker 1: it sounds.
46:31
Speaker 2: Like that interview is very illuminating and it brings up
46:34
Speaker 2: some a little bit more direct and compelling questions.
46:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a quote from Carl Anderson. In the beginning,
46:41
Speaker 1: I just wanted to put up a payphone because they
46:44
Speaker 1: were disappearing. The payphone is such an interesting and important
46:47
Speaker 1: part of urban history and hacker history, so I just
46:51
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of play around with that and make
46:54
Speaker 1: an art project around it to see who would use
46:56
Speaker 1: it just for the phone itself. And I found that
46:59
Speaker 1: a lot of people were using it, much more than
47:02
Speaker 1: I expected. So that does seem like a pretty innocuous explanation.
47:07
Speaker 2: And I'm dating a fine artist right now, and I've
47:09
Speaker 2: learned a lot more about art than I ever knew.
47:11
Speaker 2: And this is the kind of shit that people in
47:13
Speaker 2: the modern art world do. Like, It's just it totally
47:17
Speaker 2: sounds like something that would happen. You read his explanation,
47:22
Speaker 2: you know, and you fucking kind of look at this
47:24
Speaker 2: thing and all these different services and you go, this
47:27
Speaker 2: could very well just be a guy doing this for
47:29
Speaker 2: his own amusement, just to enjoy the different reactions to
47:32
Speaker 2: this service that he's kind of created with, you know,
47:36
Speaker 2: his little grassroots efforts.
47:38
Speaker 1: And there's another part in the interview that makes it
47:42
Speaker 1: really seem to me like it wouldn't be a government
47:46
Speaker 1: thing because something else all these videos leave out is
47:49
Speaker 1: one of the options on these phones is you could
47:51
Speaker 1: call a random ice detention facility. And this was his
47:57
Speaker 1: quote about that this is a historical moment. I like
48:00
Speaker 1: to ask them if they're aware of what happens to
48:02
Speaker 1: prison guards when human rights tribunals happen, and if they
48:06
Speaker 1: have a plan for that when that day comes around.
48:08
Speaker 1: So this guy clearly isn't supporting the government, no, And.
48:12
Speaker 2: That's I don't even know quite what he's getting at
48:15
Speaker 2: when he says that, But it certainly sounds very anti capitalist,
48:19
Speaker 2: very anti government, and very sort of sincere, which could
48:24
Speaker 2: be a smoke screen, you know, because all those ideas.
48:27
Speaker 2: I mean, the only guy peddling him is fucking Slavo Jijak,
48:30
Speaker 2: and they don't even let him write for The New
48:32
Speaker 2: York Times anymore. So it's it goes back into that
48:35
Speaker 2: crackpot bin where if you start having a serious conversation
48:38
Speaker 2: about this as we're doing now, people go, oh my god,
48:41
Speaker 2: who cares? Yeah, are you saying there's people dying, There's
48:46
Speaker 2: people starving to death, getting sick and losing their lives.
48:50
Speaker 2: You're talking about a payphone? What are you doing?
48:54
Speaker 1: Yeah? My thing. I feel like if this was some
48:58
Speaker 1: sort of government data collection thing or something, there'd be
49:02
Speaker 1: more phones. Like, wait, ten phones isn't a lot. I
49:06
Speaker 1: think what he was getting at with the Ice thing
49:08
Speaker 1: is kind of how like we look back on the Nazis, like, yeah,
49:12
Speaker 1: I get that some of you were just doing your job,
49:14
Speaker 1: but you were still Nazis. You could have quit that job. Yeah,
49:18
Speaker 1: And I think that's what he's getting at with that
49:20
Speaker 1: quote about Ice is, Hey, you know you're just working
49:23
Speaker 1: there doing your job. But when this becomes a human
49:25
Speaker 1: rights thing, you're gonna be one of the people that
49:28
Speaker 1: was murdering detainees in the eyes of history if nothing else.
49:31
Speaker 2: Which I mean, hey, that's there's a salient point I
49:34
Speaker 2: agree with. You know, you're a cog in one fucking
49:37
Speaker 2: wretched machine, ain't you. I mean, I know you've got
49:39
Speaker 2: a family to feed, But good god, bro, food stamps
49:42
Speaker 2: are fine, and yeah, you can fucking get something. Go
49:47
Speaker 2: you learn how to fucking go through your sales workshop
49:50
Speaker 2: and fucking sling used cars. Like I try not to
49:53
Speaker 2: judge anybody for how they make a living as much
49:56
Speaker 2: as I can, but because I see, like I said,
49:58
Speaker 2: it's a mean old world. But yeah, you know, fucking
50:00
Speaker 2: that's a real point and the kind of thing that, yeah,
50:02
Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing i'd fucking invest ten grand
50:04
Speaker 2: in my money to make an art project for if
50:06
Speaker 2: I was that kind of guy, Like sure, And people
50:09
Speaker 2: need to talk about that. People really need to fucking
50:11
Speaker 2: talk about that, you know, more than it's happening on
50:13
Speaker 2: fucking the mainstream media. And as much as I hate
50:16
Speaker 2: using that quote because it just sends your right into
50:18
Speaker 2: Alex James Jones's cul a sac.
50:20
Speaker 1: But yeah, and as far as the September fifth thing,
50:24
Speaker 1: there aren't really any ties between this payphone and the
50:28
Speaker 1: idea that the world was gonna end. There's just ties
50:31
Speaker 1: between the payphone and the Happy Valley dream survey. But
50:35
Speaker 1: there's like I mean again, you have to take it
50:37
Speaker 1: in context with all the other options. It's clearly someone
50:41
Speaker 1: trying to make the experience of getting on this phone
50:44
Speaker 1: as weird as possible.
50:46
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, something like an artist would curate, right, you know,
50:49
Speaker 2: something that that's done very intentionally, something that is that
50:53
Speaker 2: prompts you to engage in introspection and then you know,
50:57
Speaker 2: physical communication with the real life, dimensional world.
51:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was some kind of surveillance thing, it
51:04
Speaker 1: just it seems like too cumbersome of a way to go.
51:06
Speaker 2: About it, right, And but then who knows how fucking
51:10
Speaker 2: they're doing this shit. Maybe maybe like in the same
51:13
Speaker 2: way they infiltrated the music community, they're infiltrating the street
51:17
Speaker 2: art fucking grassroots sort of like conversation sparking art movement
51:24
Speaker 2: that you know happens now with a leftist artist and
51:27
Speaker 2: mem artists and fucking video collage people and murals and
51:32
Speaker 2: fucking statues and performance pieces. And sure that's another fucking
51:37
Speaker 2: honeypot for you to go. So dis information in government.
51:41
Speaker 2: I mean, they'd almost be stupid not to. So it
51:44
Speaker 2: brings you back to this ever fucking self eating or
51:47
Speaker 2: aboris of insane questions.
51:50
Speaker 1: I assume every group, movement, community, whatever in the United
51:55
Speaker 1: States has a federal agent embedded within it.
51:59
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they've I'm sure they've talked to you, Bud.
52:02
Speaker 2: They might have reached me. I'm a smaller fish, but
52:03
Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody for the fucking FEDS has kicked your
52:08
Speaker 2: tires about something. I mean, you've had too many weird
52:10
Speaker 2: interactions on the Internet. I hear them about him off Mike,
52:13
Speaker 2: you know.
52:13
Speaker 1: What I mean. Yeah, And with them embedding people in
52:18
Speaker 1: groups like that, like there's not really a group small
52:21
Speaker 1: enough that the government won't go out and like try
52:26
Speaker 1: to you know, just like you said, kick the tires,
52:28
Speaker 1: see what's going on. I always wonder who is the sad, sorry,
52:34
Speaker 1: federal agent who got tasked with keeping an eye on
52:37
Speaker 1: the like La Bar Show community to make sure, yeah,
52:41
Speaker 1: make sure none of them get two leftists like that.
52:44
Speaker 2: Poor guy, the guy who's at the Liquid Zoo going well, Actually,
52:47
Speaker 2: if you listen to Adam Carolla, he makes a pretty
52:50
Speaker 2: good point.
52:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's got to be out there.
52:53
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a guy I will say if I
52:55
Speaker 2: have to make an upper down call in this, saying
52:56
Speaker 2: like if you put a gun to my head, sort
52:58
Speaker 2: of a decision. I do towards this being an art project, same,
53:02
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, as unsatisfying as that is, as much
53:05
Speaker 2: as I want to believe that there's an MK ultra
53:07
Speaker 2: team who's trying to map the DMT scape or whatever
53:10
Speaker 2: I fucking brought up earlier, with this uh web of information,
53:15
Speaker 2: seems more just like some shit a guy that you
53:17
Speaker 2: know had an English degree and a couple ex girlfriends
53:21
Speaker 2: and a lot of his mom's inheritance would put together
53:23
Speaker 2: just so he doesn't fucking go another day without eating
53:26
Speaker 2: a gun. Right.
53:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I assume the government is way beyond shit like
53:30
Speaker 1: this by now.
53:31
Speaker 2: At this point. I mean, I feel like they've got
53:33
Speaker 2: a better system.
53:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're probably just listening to our zoom
53:36
Speaker 1: calls and yeah, being reassured that we're not we're not
53:41
Speaker 1: picking up the trail of whatever this is. Who knows,
53:43
Speaker 1: But it does.
53:44
Speaker 2: Seem like an art thing to me, Yep, well, I
53:46
Speaker 2: suppose there's our MythBusters up and down confirmed. Are there
53:49
Speaker 2: we have any other loose ends in this tail? Adam TB.
53:52
Speaker 1: Not really. I think we I think we got it.
53:56
Speaker 1: I think we we got a sewed.
53:58
Speaker 2: We got a sewd. Man. Well, it was a very
54:00
Speaker 2: interesting deep dive. I enjoyed reading all of it. And
54:04
Speaker 2: this is one of those conspiracies where it doesn't so
54:07
Speaker 2: much make you worry about the world, but it does
54:09
Speaker 2: demand some compelling introspection and critical thought, and I enjoyed.
54:14
Speaker 2: I enjoyed playing around in that whole jungle gym trying
54:16
Speaker 2: to see what this thing was about.
54:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I wish it. I wish there was more
54:21
Speaker 1: to it. I wish I looked into this and it
54:23
Speaker 1: was a little more nefarious. But also there's so much
54:27
Speaker 1: evil in the world right now, Like.
54:28
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just got to talk about how Elvis is
54:31
Speaker 2: still alive.
54:32
Speaker 1: Baby someday this whole podcast is just every episode is
54:36
Speaker 1: going to be about compelling proof that Elvis didn't die
54:40
Speaker 1: in the seventies.
54:41
Speaker 2: I almost like that as it. And I don't know
54:43
Speaker 2: if we've ever officially named the fan base, but I
54:45
Speaker 2: would like to just say like Elvis Truther has such
54:47
Speaker 2: a great ring to it when you coin that phrase.
54:50
Speaker 2: I've never stopped thinking about it that it always makes
54:52
Speaker 2: me laugh and I fucking by the end of that episode,
54:55
Speaker 2: I was a fucking Elvis truth truth to myself.
54:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I stand by it. I don't think he died
55:00
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Speaker 2: the time being, I'd really appreciate it if you followed
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Speaker 2: me on social media at Connor mcspad. And that's two n's,
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Speaker 2: two o's for connored Mixpaden mcsp a, D D E
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Speaker 2: N and uh I will say. I like to write
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Speaker 2: my fans back, my listeners back. I don't even like
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Speaker 2: to call you know, people that enjoy the show. If
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Speaker 2: you want to chew my ear about something, If you
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Speaker 2: want a little Alex Jones, hit me up. Man. I'm
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Speaker 2: a nice guy and I don't have much to do
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Speaker 2: these days. I'm in between gigs, and I love hearing
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Speaker 2: from the community. And as I said earlier in the program,
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Speaker 2: I was very blow to have over the last few
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Speaker 2: months a lot of great unpops listeners who are always
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Speaker 2: really open minded and cool, and I go look on
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Speaker 2: their page and then ever pushing anything evil. And I
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Speaker 2: love meeting these people. So hit me up, stay in touch,
56:13
Speaker 2: and if you're craving some more me, you can listen
56:16
Speaker 2: to the back catalog of the Mean Boys podcast. It's
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Speaker 2: basically like if the Dead Kennedy has made a fucking
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Speaker 2: late night radio show, and there's over two hundred episodes
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Speaker 2: of it ATB's on a few of them, there's best
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Speaker 2: of shows. If you're looking for a jumping off place,
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Speaker 2: we trick Steve ran is easy into coming in on
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven. There's a lot of fun stuff to
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Speaker 2: dive into there and It's a great little project if
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Speaker 2: you ever if you need to pass some time on
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Speaker 2: a road trip, or if you've got one of these
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Speaker 2: factory jobs that are going away and you just need
56:39
Speaker 2: somebody to keep your company on the night shift.
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Speaker 1: And Connor's going to be on more episodes in the future.
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Speaker 2: We yeah, man, I'll be back in the mix more.
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Speaker 2: I've got a few I want to talk about the
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Speaker 2: the treatment of PTSD and the DSM five and how
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Speaker 2: people have kept a lot of more holistic approaches out
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Speaker 2: of the mainstream, something that I'm very close to in
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Speaker 2: my personal life. I got a lot of ideas me
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Speaker 2: and that I'm going to be doing some cool shit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so look out for that. In the meantime, let's
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Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. Connor say goodbye.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye everybody.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye everybody. We love you.