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BOMBSHELL: EPSTEIN FILES TO BE RELEASED, JUSTICE OR SMOKESCREEN? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Ricky News Tonight bombshell the Epstein files to be released finally.
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Speaker 2: Is it justice or just another smoke screen? I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I never thought i'd see the day when we had
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Speaker 2: to go to Washington and demand a child sex molester's
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Speaker 2: files become public.
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Speaker 1: What is this? Russia? China? H E double l n oh.
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Speaker 2: I ain't shutting up about this. Will there finally be
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Speaker 2: justice for Epstein victims? Not just Epstein? But when I
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Speaker 2: say Epstein, I'm talking about many, many powerful and or
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Speaker 2: wealthy men that absolutely engaged.
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Speaker 1: In sex with minors. We know, do we not?
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Barry Levine joining us, author of The
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Speaker 2: Spider inside the Tangle Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Gallain Maxwell,
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Speaker 2: we know beyond a doubt that.
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Speaker 1: Girls as young as twelve years old were flown to
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Speaker 1: Lolita Island. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 4: It is true, Nancy, And the only way we're going
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Speaker 4: to get justice for these victims. And the Department of
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Speaker 4: Justice told us there's more than a thousand victims of
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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein and Gahlain Maxwell is to see these files,
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Speaker 4: is to see the one hundred thousand pages of documents
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Speaker 4: that include police reports, depositions, interviews, and focus in on
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Speaker 4: the twenty men that Representative Tom Massey said have been
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Speaker 4: sex trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and my point is in the last hours a
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Speaker 2: stark reversal where President Trump is now calling for the
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Speaker 2: release of the files. But something very very critical to
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Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill joining us US political investigative.
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Speaker 1: Reporter for deallymail dot com.
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Speaker 2: We need the release of the DOJ, Department of Justice,
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Speaker 2: and Judicial files, not just the congressional files.
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Speaker 1: I'm not parsing words.
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Speaker 2: The congressional files consist largely of email and phone conversations.
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Speaker 2: The DOJ and judicial files consist of depositions, terrabytes and
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Speaker 2: terrabytes of evidence that has been amassed by the DOJ.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about videos, terribites of videos taken in the
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Speaker 2: Epstein homes, taken at Lolita Island and beyond. The judicial
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Speaker 2: and DOJ files are much more extensive than the congressional files.
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Speaker 2: Giving me the congressional files is going to advance that much.
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Speaker 2: We need it all, explain Victoria Churchill. The most recent
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Speaker 2: order from the White House regarding the Epstein files for Victoria.
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Speaker 5: Sure so, President Donald Trump, on his way back from
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Speaker 5: mar A Lago in Florida last night, said that he
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Speaker 5: is totally okay with Republicans in the US House of
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Speaker 5: Representatives voting for the DOJ files to be released. That,
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Speaker 5: of course, is after this discharge petition led by Thomas Massey,
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Speaker 5: is mentioned by your other guest, as well as Marjory
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Speaker 5: Taylor Green, who Trump has had a field day with
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Speaker 5: over the past weekend, you know, insulting her mainly because
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Speaker 5: she has been one of the main people who is
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Speaker 5: pushing to go ahead and live, you know, to release
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Speaker 5: these files, as well as other representatives, you know, other
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Speaker 5: Republican female representatives. But now it looks like that even
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Speaker 5: though those signatures on that discharge petition hit that to
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Speaker 5: eighteen number that they needed last week, excuse me with
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Speaker 5: the swernon of Adelita Grihalva, who of course they took
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Speaker 5: fifty days to swear her in Congress, but she was
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Speaker 5: out last signature on that petition. Now Speaker Mike Johnson
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Speaker 5: said last week that it will be up for a
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Speaker 5: vote this week, and now Trump is saying okay, Republicans
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Speaker 5: can vote for it, so that is a change in
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Speaker 5: the position that he has had throughout his time in office.
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Speaker 5: But I also do want to note that in September
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Speaker 5: of twenty twenty four, when he was on the campaign trail,
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Speaker 5: he actually promised to release the files related to Epstein,
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Speaker 5: as well as JFK and even MLK. So it's kind
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Speaker 5: of interesting how the President has flip flopped on this.
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Speaker 5: But I also think that goes to show that he
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Speaker 5: doesn't think that he will be implicated in anything nefarious
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Speaker 5: in these files, and so I think that really two things.
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Speaker 1: Can be true.
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Speaker 5: I think his name can be mentioned as a former
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Speaker 5: business associate of Epstein. You know, in the Daily Mail,
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Speaker 5: we constantly run pictures of Trump and Milania at mar
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Speaker 5: A Lago with Epstein, with Maxwell, they were known associates.
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Speaker 5: That's undeniable. However, his name can be all over the
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Speaker 5: files and he cannot be implicated in anything nefarious, which
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Speaker 5: I think is what will what we will.
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Speaker 6: Discover to be the truth.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours of start reversal from the White House,
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Speaker 2: Trump now claiming he wants the Epstein files release after
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Speaker 2: much furor over the past months. Why why the turnaround.
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Speaker 2: Do we care or is this just another smoke screen Listen.
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Speaker 7: To glame, Maxwell Epstein writes, Trump spent hours at my
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Speaker 7: house with a victim. Corresponding with Trump biographer Michael Wolfe,
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Speaker 7: Epstein says, of course Trump knew about the girls. He
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Speaker 7: asked Elaine to stop wolf Warren's Epstein. Trump will be
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Speaker 7: asked about their relationship at an upcoming debate, and the
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Speaker 7: two discuss hop answers may benefit Epstein.
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Speaker 8: These emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that
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Speaker 8: President Trump did nothing wrong. And what President Trump has
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Speaker 8: always said is that he was from Palm Beach and
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Speaker 8: so was Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a member at
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Speaker 8: Marla until President Trump kicked him out because Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 8: was a pedophile and he was a creep.
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Speaker 2: What we are hearing is just more political mumbo jump by.
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Speaker 2: For instance, is time to move on from the Democrat
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Speaker 2: hoax perpetrated.
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Speaker 1: By the radical left lunatics.
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Speaker 2: But nobody cares about politics on this. This is about
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Speaker 2: crime victims that were raped as children.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 9: For so many years, it felt like Epstein's criminal behavior
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Speaker 9: was an open secret. Not only did many others participate
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Speaker 9: in the abuse. It is clear that many were aware
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Speaker 9: of his interest in girls and very young women and
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Speaker 9: chose to look the other way because it benefited them
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Speaker 9: to do so. They wanted access to his circle and
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Speaker 9: his money. Their choice to align with his power left
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Speaker 9: those of us who had been harmed by this man
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Speaker 9: and his associates feeling very isolated.
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Speaker 2: That's from Representative Thomas Massey on X Is this real
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Speaker 2: we are now learning in the last hours of White
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Speaker 2: House has done an abrupt u turn demanding the release
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Speaker 2: of the Epstein files. But so far we have been stonewalled,
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Speaker 2: one smokescreen after the next, being led to believe we're
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Speaker 2: finding the truth, only to find out it's all bs.
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Speaker 2: For instance, in the last days, the House Oversight Committee
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Speaker 2: releases twenty thousand documents They were nothing.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 10: The House Oversight Committee releases twenty thousand documents subpoenat from
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Speaker 10: Epstein's estate on the heels of a smaller release, implying
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Speaker 10: President Trump knew about Epstein's abuse. The documents include thousands
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Speaker 10: of emails with high profile contacts, financial and property records,
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Speaker 10: excerpts from James Patterson's Filthy Rich in records of Epstein's
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Speaker 10: fixer's desperate attempts to improve his public image.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now and Shaw.
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Speaker 2: She is a founderer and director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated
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Speaker 2: to ending sex exploitation and human trafficking. If this is
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Speaker 2: just another Roos, I think there's going to be an insurrection.
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Speaker 11: All absolutely coming straight from the Warriors leading the charge.
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Speaker 11: Because let's call this what this is, Nancy, I see
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Speaker 11: this as kicking the can.
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Speaker 1: Down the road.
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Speaker 11: That's what's happening.
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Speaker 1: Take that as you may.
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Speaker 11: We do have something we are urging starting today six
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Speaker 11: am this morning, every member of Congress.
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Speaker 1: It's called the.
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Speaker 11: Epstein Files Transparency Act. And I'll tell you why we're
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Speaker 11: doing this. Even though we want, you know, more from
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Speaker 11: the Justice Department. That's where it is right now. We
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Speaker 11: will not be silenced about any of this. We're going
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Speaker 11: to keep up the pressure. We're going to keep showing
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Speaker 11: up in front of Congress. We're going to keep talking
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Speaker 11: about it because these women are numbered in one thousand plus.
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Speaker 1: That's what we know about.
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Speaker 11: And all of the women in Vidio I keep seeing.
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Speaker 11: We know all of those women, and they bravely are
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Speaker 11: coming forward to speak on behalf of those who cannot speak,
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Speaker 11: and all of them have trauma in their own lives.
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Speaker 11: And there's a wonderful video we put out today from
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Speaker 11: our colleagues at World Without Exploitation, and everybody should see
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Speaker 11: it because these are women who have come forward, who say,
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Speaker 11: hold up a picture. I am twelve, this is me
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Speaker 11: when I met Jeffrey Epstein, I am fourteen, this is
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Speaker 11: me when I met Jeffrey Epstein. And it's a whole
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Speaker 11: slew of women. So let me tell you more of
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Speaker 11: this kicking the can down the road.
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Speaker 3: We are not having it.
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Speaker 11: We're going to keep the pressure up.
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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, let's take a look at
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Speaker 2: Lynnshaw's video.
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Speaker 10: I was fourteen years old.
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Speaker 9: I was sixteen years old.
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Speaker 1: I was sixteen, seventeen, fourteen years old.
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Speaker 12: This is me, this was me, this is me when
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Speaker 12: I met Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 13: This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 14: It's time to bring the secrets out of the shadows.
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Speaker 14: It's time to shine a light into the darkness.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us psychoas from the California Jurisdiction, Author.
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Speaker 1: And star on Peacock.
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Speaker 2: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: The victims have been through so much.
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Speaker 2: You and I have dealt with child molestation, child rape victims,
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Speaker 2: our whole lives essentially since we got into me the
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Speaker 2: legal business, you the psycho analysts business, doctor Bethany, after
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Speaker 2: living through what they've lived through as children, after waiting
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Speaker 2: all these years, now they hear from the White House
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Speaker 2: release the files for what the second or third time?
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Speaker 2: If this is another smoke screen and it's all bs,
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Speaker 2: I'm just a trial lawyer, Bethany, but I would conjecture
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Speaker 2: that will cause irreparable damage for the President to say
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Speaker 2: release the files and then it not happen again, and.
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Speaker 12: Nancy causes a ruppable damage because it's part of the
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Speaker 12: same offending pattern. The victims in all of their interviews
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Speaker 12: are saying that once they were on the island as minors,
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Speaker 12: as once after they were sex trafficked, that Epstein would
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Speaker 12: stalk them and would offer them jobs at like say
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Speaker 12: modeling agency or with a with a media mogul, or
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Speaker 12: to give them a singing contract or something like that,
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Speaker 12: the same offending pattern as P Diddy. He would just
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Speaker 12: get ahead of the story by offering them goodies offering
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Speaker 12: to promote their career. Now, isn't that the same thing
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Speaker 12: that politicians are doing with the public. They're just getting
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Speaker 12: ahead of the story. They're offering us something. They're saying, Look, children,
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Speaker 12: we are going to release all these files and you're
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Speaker 12: going to learn so much.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now A P. R.
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Speaker 2: Gury Robsheeter, you know him well, author of a brand
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Speaker 2: new hit book on Amazon. It started with a whisper, rob.
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Speaker 2: Very often a cover up ends up being worse than
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Speaker 2: the actual crime, right, the cover up intensifies the crime.
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Speaker 2: In this case, I don't know, other than murder, what
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Speaker 2: could be worse than molesting children?
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Speaker 1: But trying to suppress that evidence is.
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Speaker 2: Even more wrongdoing heaped on top. Now, I want you
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Speaker 2: to hear something, Rob Sheeter, and you're gonna have to
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Speaker 2: take it with a box, not a pinch, a box
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Speaker 2: of salt.
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Speaker 1: But listen to this.
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Speaker 7: Epstein's mcc cellmate X cop Nicholas Tartaglioni claims Epstein told
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Speaker 7: him prosecutors were really after Trump, and Maureen Comy promised
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Speaker 7: Epstein a deal as long as he implicated the President
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Speaker 7: in his crimes. Joey told Epstein he did not have
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Speaker 7: to prove anything as long as Trump could not disprove it.
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Speaker 7: Tartaglioni claims Epstein told him Trump was not involved.
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Speaker 2: Rob, you and I are so far on the outside
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Speaker 2: looking in. We hear that Trump told Glaine Maxwell to
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Speaker 2: quote stop what she and Epstein were doing, which of
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Speaker 2: course does suggest guilty conscience, but also an effort to
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Speaker 2: stop what was happening.
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Speaker 1: Here.
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Speaker 2: We hear from a cellmate. Yes he's a seal mate,
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Speaker 2: that means he's convicted, but also an ex cop, and
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Speaker 2: he says Epstein was being pushed to a deal where
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Speaker 2: he would implicate Trump before he was killed behind bars.
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Speaker 2: Before Epstein was killed behind bars, and was told you
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Speaker 2: don't have to prove it because Trump can't disprove it.
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Speaker 1: My question that was.
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Speaker 2: The lead up, Rob, Do you believe Trump has been
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Speaker 2: afraid to release these files because of the damage to
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Speaker 2: his reputation, Not that he necessarily did anything wrong, but
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Speaker 2: that it would be so damning his friendship with Epstein.
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Speaker 13: Very good question, Nancy. I believe the answer to that
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Speaker 13: is most likely yes. However, I can't be totally confident
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Speaker 13: in my answer because we haven't seen the documents. We
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Speaker 13: haven't seen the information. This is why stories, conspiracy theories,
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Speaker 13: maybe even the truth is all just swishing around because
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Speaker 13: we don't have all the information. This information has to
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Speaker 13: be released, Nancy. It's got to the point now where
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Speaker 13: I agree with you. It has to be released. And
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Speaker 13: I think at this point we are gonna be absolutely
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Speaker 13: shocked with what we find out. However, I think that
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Speaker 13: is going to be better than saying nothing. The current
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Speaker 13: situation cannot sustain itself.
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Speaker 1: And again I do not like to veer into politics, but.
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Speaker 2: We practically had to hold a hot poker to his
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Speaker 2: rear end to get Trump to go this far. Was
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Speaker 2: he so afraid of what would be in those files,
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Speaker 2: whether he did anything wrong or not, that he had
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Speaker 2: knowledge of what was happening that he was implicated in
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Speaker 2: that he was on the plane that he was with Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Has that been the hold up?
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Speaker 2: Or are their more powerful people even more powerful that
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Speaker 2: will be implicated. The concern has been so far, and
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Speaker 2: we know Rob Shooter that a lot of the files
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Speaker 2: have been redacted. In other words, you get a piece
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Speaker 2: of paper and half of it has been marked out
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Speaker 2: with a black magic marker. Names to protect the innocent
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Speaker 2: have been redacted but when these files are released, they
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Speaker 2: very likely may not be redacted. So a lot of
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Speaker 2: innocent people are going to be thrown in the same
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Speaker 2: pot to stew with the guilty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, all the names are going to come out. Anybody
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Speaker 13: that has had any interaction, emails, exchange with Jeffrey, It's
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Speaker 13: all going to come out.
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Speaker 3: When you said, is there somebody.
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Speaker 13: Even more powerful than the President of the United States here,
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Speaker 13: I just can't think of that person. I've worked this
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Speaker 13: business a long time. No celebrity, no billionaire, is more
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Speaker 13: powerful at the moment than the President of the United States,
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Speaker 13: So I don't think I buy that. I also have
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Speaker 13: worked around the Trump family for over thirty years. When
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Speaker 13: he was in the entertainment business. He would often invite
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Speaker 13: me to Trump Tower, to the celebrity Apprentice set. He
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Speaker 13: is a master, a master at reading the public, and
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Speaker 13: so the fact that he has decided it is better
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Speaker 13: off to take all this anger, to take all this
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Speaker 13: all this really valid emotion, and not release all the
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Speaker 13: information tells me he really really wants to hide.
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Speaker 2: Him In this case, Rob Sheeter, the innocent are going
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Speaker 2: to be thrown in the same part with the guilty
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Speaker 2: diste but that is the price for full transparency. Joining
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Speaker 2: us tonight is a very special guest who has once
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Speaker 2: again landed at the forefront of the national news because
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Speaker 2: of Jeffrey Epstein. May Epstein rot in Hell. I'd like
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Speaker 2: to start, of course, the news of the night is
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Speaker 2: President Trump's stark reversal on releasing the Epstein files, and
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Speaker 2: they are volume us. The twenty thousand documents we've gotten
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Speaker 2: so far as only a very small percentage of what
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Speaker 2: there is. Just imagine it goes by years and years
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Speaker 2: and years. And Allen, you've seen cases with thousands and
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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of documents. But before we get into that,
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Speaker 2: I want to make it very clear. At one time
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Speaker 2: Professor Dershowitz was accused of molesting Virginia Giffrey.
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Speaker 1: It has been agreed upon by Geffrey and her lawyers
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Speaker 1: that Dershowitz was not involved.
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Speaker 2: That said, Alan, you have landed in the middle of
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Speaker 2: a stink bomb on this case.
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Speaker 1: And part of it is because just recently.
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Speaker 2: You parsed words on Epstein's conviction. Remember that conviction in
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Speaker 2: the early two thousands where he plagued guilty to solicitation
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Speaker 2: of a minor. Remember that many people call that pedophilia,
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Speaker 2: but you are saying, no, it was not pedophilia.
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Speaker 3: Well, I just think we have to get our words right.
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Speaker 3: Pedophilia means very young girls thirteen, fourteen twelve. The woman
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Speaker 3: that he the girl that he admitted to having sought
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Speaker 3: sex on, was seventeen years and ten months. That's terrible,
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Speaker 3: and it's a crime, and it's underage, but it's not pedophilia.
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Speaker 3: And so you can't say he's been convicted of pedophilia.
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Speaker 3: Not that it makes such a difference, because he was
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Speaker 3: accused of terrible, terrible things, including relatively young people. But
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Speaker 3: let's get it's bad enough without distorting the reality. And
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Speaker 3: so what he did was horrible. What he did was inexcusable,
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Speaker 3: and the moment I found out that he did it,
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Speaker 3: I terminated my friendship with him. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: the newly released documents proved that I was telling you
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Speaker 3: the truth when I said that Jeffrey hated my guts.
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Speaker 3: It his emails, he talks about me being mentally ill.
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Speaker 3: He talked about me being a terrible, terrible lawyer. If
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Speaker 3: I had ever done anything wrong, the first thing you
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Speaker 3: would have done was reveal it to people. But he didn't.
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Speaker 3: So I'm glad these new emails are coming out, and
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Speaker 3: I'm glad that President Trump has finally agreed to urge
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Speaker 3: people to vote to have everything come out. The day
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Speaker 3: I was falsely accused, I announced I want everything out.
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Speaker 3: I want the FBI to investigate me. I waive all
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Speaker 3: privileges because I knew I hadn't done anything wrong and
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Speaker 3: therefore everything would exculpate me. Is of course, as of
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Speaker 3: course it has. So if you're innocent, you should want
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Speaker 3: everything out, and if you're guilty.
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Speaker 2: Should crime stories with Nancy Grace, you know, I'm very
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Speaker 2: curious as to why this has been such an obstacle
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Speaker 2: in DC, why these files have been It's like hide
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Speaker 2: the ball. From the very beginning, we've gotten conflicting statements.
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Speaker 2: We've been told by BONDI they're sitting right here on
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Speaker 2: my desk, I've got the client list.
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Speaker 1: But then claiming, oh, there is no such thing. Do
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Speaker 1: they think we're idiots?
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Speaker 3: Alan, Well, there is a list, a list of FBI
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Speaker 3: names that the FBI got in interviewing the victims. And
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Speaker 3: there is such a list. I've seen it, and the
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Speaker 3: names have been redacted. Some of them has been made public.
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Speaker 3: Being on the list doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty. It
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Speaker 3: means somebody has accused you. But there is such a
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Speaker 3: li There's no Jeffrey Epstein client list. He didn't have
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Speaker 3: a little book in which he said, this woman is
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Speaker 3: going to go to this guy, this woman is going
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Speaker 3: to go here or there. There's no such lists like that.
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Speaker 3: But the FBI does have names that they're suppressing. And
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Speaker 3: the judges, judges, this is the important point. Judges have
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Speaker 3: been suppressing information. They have sealed depositions, including in my case,
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Speaker 3: and I'd love to see all those depositions. I made
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Speaker 3: motions in court to get them revealed, but the courts
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Speaker 3: have said no. The courts have said we're not going
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Speaker 3: to release this. So the courts have been suppressing information.
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Speaker 3: The government has been suppressing information. Now I think we're
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Speaker 3: going to see the government information out there, but the
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Speaker 3: court information is still going to be suppressed. And I
21:41
Speaker 3: think that your program, other programs have the right to
21:44
Speaker 3: go to court and say, look, please, the public has
21:47
Speaker 3: the right to see this. Let's unseal these depositions.
21:51
Speaker 2: Now. Alan having built many, many, so many cases, I
21:55
Speaker 2: can't remember them anymore.
21:58
Speaker 1: I can't keep count of them.
22:01
Speaker 2: But I'm confounded in the face of so many allegations
22:06
Speaker 2: and so many victims that I believe victims of Epstein,
22:10
Speaker 2: your former client, victims of his friends, child trafficking girls
22:17
Speaker 2: as young as twelve years old, and we've been able
22:19
Speaker 2: to document that from all around the world, from Turkey,
22:23
Speaker 2: from the stands, all going, many of them anyway to
22:27
Speaker 2: Lolita Island. There have to be witnesses, Alan, there has
22:32
Speaker 2: to be documentation of their flights, their fairy rides. What
22:36
Speaker 2: I don't understand, Alan, is why, at this juncture, in
22:40
Speaker 2: the face of overwhelming evidence, there is not a full
22:44
Speaker 2: on investigation of who these men are.
22:49
Speaker 1: Epstein's dead.
22:50
Speaker 2: Can we now focus on other offenders? Why are they
22:54
Speaker 2: being protected? And why is there not an ongoing federal investigation?
23:00
Speaker 2: Part of hearing about politics, Alan, I'm tired of hearing
23:02
Speaker 2: about what Trump wants and Bonding wants, and the Democrats want,
23:05
Speaker 2: the Republicans want.
23:06
Speaker 1: Why isn't there a.
23:07
Speaker 2: Federal investigation finding the names of these alleged perpetrators and
23:13
Speaker 2: prosecuting them.
23:15
Speaker 3: I agree with that if they're guilty, they should be prosecuted,
23:18
Speaker 3: but at the same time, all information should be released
23:22
Speaker 3: about whether or not these accusations are true, false, or
23:26
Speaker 3: somewhere in between. We have to hear all sides of
23:28
Speaker 3: the issue. I wrote a book called Guilt by Accusation.
23:32
Speaker 3: You can't find somebody guilty just because they're accused. They
23:35
Speaker 3: have to have a due process right to defend themselves.
23:38
Speaker 3: But I think every name should be revealed, everybody who's
23:41
Speaker 3: been on the island, everybody who's been on the airplanes, everybody.
23:45
Speaker 3: Then they have to explain what they were doing on
23:48
Speaker 3: the island, what they were doing on the airplane, what
23:50
Speaker 3: they were doing in the house. I've done that. I've
23:52
Speaker 3: explained that completely, and everything I've ever said has been
23:55
Speaker 3: completely corroborated by the release of the recent email. So
23:59
Speaker 3: I think is a case in point. If you're innocent,
24:01
Speaker 3: please please push to have everything revealed. If you're guilty,
24:06
Speaker 3: I understand you're a little bit reluctant to have the
24:09
Speaker 3: truth come out. But if you're innocent, you want the
24:11
Speaker 3: truth to come out.
24:12
Speaker 2: Well, Allan, I appreciate that I do, and I agree
24:18
Speaker 2: with you, but I am not suggesting guilt by accusation
24:24
Speaker 2: or trial in the media. What I'm saying is I
24:28
Speaker 2: keep hearing about there is no client list.
24:31
Speaker 1: Well, it's just like a witness list.
24:33
Speaker 2: A police report or an allegation by a victim is
24:37
Speaker 2: not a client list. You, the prosecutor, have to go
24:40
Speaker 2: and create the witness list. You have to investigate. I'm
24:44
Speaker 2: not asking for trial by media. I'm saying, why Allan,
24:49
Speaker 2: is there not an investigation into these claims? Why are
24:53
Speaker 2: we talking about there's no client list, Well, go make
24:57
Speaker 2: one investigate. Find out who they are are when they
25:01
Speaker 2: were there, who are their victims? These victims are now
25:03
Speaker 2: adult women. They can can say what happened to them.
25:09
Speaker 2: I don't understand what's the hold up?
25:12
Speaker 3: I agree completely. Look there is I've seen it. I've
25:15
Speaker 3: held it in my hand. There is an FBI report
25:19
Speaker 3: in which the names are redacted, in which victims say
25:24
Speaker 3: these are the men ABCD, they identified them by name,
25:28
Speaker 3: and the court has required that all those names be redacted,
25:31
Speaker 3: and cross that they shouldn't be. I want every single
25:34
Speaker 3: name released, and I went to court to try to
25:36
Speaker 3: get every name released, but the people whose names are
25:39
Speaker 3: there obviously don't want them released. But at this point
25:43
Speaker 3: in time, every name should be made public, every accusation
25:47
Speaker 3: should be made public, and then the people whose names
25:50
Speaker 3: are on the list should have an opportunity to explain,
25:53
Speaker 3: to deny, to disprove. But right now, nobody benefits from suppression.
25:58
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm so upset at courts, courts, federal
26:02
Speaker 3: judges keeping names out. They shouldn't be doing that. I
26:07
Speaker 3: want to see that FBI unredacted list of the names,
26:11
Speaker 3: and then we can judge whether the allegations are true
26:14
Speaker 3: or false.
26:15
Speaker 1: Which leads me allan to the question why.
26:18
Speaker 2: Normally, as you know, in a criminal proceeding, the state
26:21
Speaker 2: doesn't have to prove motive.
26:23
Speaker 1: But I'm curious because I think it will lead me
26:26
Speaker 1: to more wrongdoing.
26:27
Speaker 2: Why do you believe that these names have been suppressed
26:33
Speaker 2: as you say redacted, But I think they're being suppressed.
26:37
Speaker 3: They are, They are being suppressed, and they're being suppressed
26:40
Speaker 3: by federal judges. So let's get the federal judges to
26:44
Speaker 3: release every name of everybody and release the name of
26:49
Speaker 3: information that might undercut the claims. Let me give you
26:52
Speaker 3: an example. There's a woman named Sarah videotapes of Donald Trump,
26:59
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Richard Branson and others having sex
27:04
Speaker 3: with the young children. So okay, So she sent hundreds
27:07
Speaker 3: of emails to the New York Post making those allegations.
27:11
Speaker 3: Then she admitted she made the whole thing up. So
27:13
Speaker 3: if you're going to release the accusations, you also have
27:16
Speaker 3: to release the admission that she made it up. So
27:19
Speaker 3: as long as we get the whole picture, innocent people
27:22
Speaker 3: shouldn't be concerned. Guilty people should be concerned. But that's
27:26
Speaker 3: the process of criminal justice to distinguish between the innocent
27:30
Speaker 3: and the guilty. So please let's release everything. I have
27:33
Speaker 3: an interest, obviously, because I'm innocent and I want everything
27:36
Speaker 3: out there. Other people have an interest in suppressing it.
27:39
Speaker 3: But the interest in suppressing it shouldn't prevail. The public
27:42
Speaker 3: has the right to know Allan.
27:45
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you can understand why all of us, the.
27:51
Speaker 2: Regular people who were not on the inside of this
27:54
Speaker 2: investigation what you have been, are stymied.
27:58
Speaker 1: We don't understand.
28:00
Speaker 2: And you know how I feel about politics, Alan, We've
28:02
Speaker 2: discussed it before. I don't care if you're a Republican
28:05
Speaker 2: agreeing a Democrat. Don't care. But we were told these
28:10
Speaker 2: would be released. Then there's an sudden about face. As
28:13
Speaker 2: soon as Trump got into the White House, and Bondie
28:17
Speaker 2: has been the spokesperson the stark reversal on that in
28:24
Speaker 2: the last hours is encouraging, but I'm still left with
28:29
Speaker 2: a feeling we're never going to know the truth, and
28:32
Speaker 2: that the onus is on the victims themselves to somehow
28:35
Speaker 2: put together their own investigation to pursue.
28:40
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be It shouldn't be on the victims. It
28:42
Speaker 3: should be on the government. The government should be producing everything.
28:45
Speaker 3: They should be going to court and saying the public
28:48
Speaker 3: interest outweighs any privacy interests at this point, and we
28:52
Speaker 3: want to see everything out, but we haven't seen that
28:54
Speaker 3: happen yet. And you're right to ask the question why.
28:59
Speaker 3: But I'm so please. Is that President Trump has now
29:02
Speaker 3: said he does want to make sure the Republicans vote
29:06
Speaker 3: to release at least the congressional material, But I also
29:09
Speaker 3: want the government to go in and try to release
29:11
Speaker 3: the judicially suppressed material. Then maybe we can get close
29:14
Speaker 3: to everything. What I want to see is every single document,
29:18
Speaker 3: every video tape, every call, everything out there. You know,
29:22
Speaker 3: not lawyer client privileged material if those are if they
29:25
Speaker 3: have a special status, but everything else should be.
29:28
Speaker 2: Out there allan what's the difference between the congressional documents
29:32
Speaker 2: and the judicial documents, because as of right now only
29:36
Speaker 2: congressional documents are being released.
29:38
Speaker 3: That's right. So the documents are depositions. I was supposed
29:43
Speaker 3: for hours and hours, My false accuser was a cause
29:47
Speaker 3: for hours and hours. Those have been suppressed, along with
29:50
Speaker 3: everybody else in the Gallaine Maxwell case. In other cases
29:54
Speaker 3: the judges have suppressed, and they've also suppressed grand jury minutes. Now,
29:59
Speaker 3: I don't think grand jury minutes they're going to give
30:01
Speaker 3: us very much because prosecutors, all I have to do
30:03
Speaker 3: is send somebody into the grand jury to describe the evidence.
30:08
Speaker 3: But the depositions are very substantial, and they involve people
30:13
Speaker 3: very close to Jeffrey Fscene. I'm not at liberty to
30:17
Speaker 3: disclose the names of these people because they're sealed, but
30:20
Speaker 3: some of them are extremely close to e. F Scene,
30:23
Speaker 3: and it would be very very important to have those
30:25
Speaker 3: documents out there, and I think the judges should release
30:28
Speaker 3: those documents. And they're more in many ways at least
30:32
Speaker 3: as important.
30:33
Speaker 2: Allen, before we move on to our other guests for
30:37
Speaker 2: this evening, I'm very very disturbed by you, and I'm
30:43
Speaker 2: circling back to it, parsing words on pedophilia. I just
30:48
Speaker 2: want to be clear, your former client, Jeffrey Epstein Plague
30:55
Speaker 2: guilty to solicitation and procurement of a minor of miners
31:01
Speaker 2: for sex. Whether they're twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
31:07
Speaker 2: as was the case, there is still a miner in
31:10
Speaker 2: the eyes of the law. And as you know, in
31:13
Speaker 2: other cases, girls as young as twelve have been sent
31:17
Speaker 2: to Lolita Island.
31:20
Speaker 1: That has been documented.
31:21
Speaker 2: Now in the case where he played guilty, the victim
31:24
Speaker 2: was not twelve, but still a minor.
31:27
Speaker 3: Allan, so people should say he is a convicted sex offender,
31:32
Speaker 3: he is convicted of having sex with a minor, but
31:35
Speaker 3: they shouldn't say he's a convicted pedophile because when you
31:38
Speaker 3: combine the two words convicted, which means he's he depleted, guilty,
31:42
Speaker 3: has been found guilty, and pedophile, it suggests that he
31:46
Speaker 3: has been found guilty after due process of having sex
31:50
Speaker 3: with twelve thirteen, fourteen years and that is the true
31:53
Speaker 3: What he did is bad enough. All I'm I'm not
31:55
Speaker 3: trying to defend them because it really doesn't make much
31:58
Speaker 3: of a difference. All I'm suggested thing is that if
32:01
Speaker 3: you want to be credible, let's get it all straight,
32:03
Speaker 3: and let's make clear that he never pleaded guilty or
32:06
Speaker 3: was found guilty of anything that, according to the Diagnostic
32:09
Speaker 3: and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association and other
32:13
Speaker 3: medical sources would label him a pedophile. You could disagree
32:17
Speaker 3: and say it's a question of words, and I don't
32:19
Speaker 3: think it makes it be.
32:19
Speaker 2: Not disagree with the black and white definition of pedophile,
32:26
Speaker 2: which is an attraction to pre pubescent children.
32:28
Speaker 1: Pre pubescent. Let me break that down. That means the
32:32
Speaker 1: girl doesn't have breast yet, she.
32:35
Speaker 2: May not have pubic here, she's around the age of
32:39
Speaker 2: thirteen or younger typically speaking, but at this juncture, to
32:44
Speaker 2: parse words about whether he's convicted pedophile or convicted child
32:49
Speaker 2: sex molester or procuring sex with the minor is largely
32:56
Speaker 2: a false argument. At this point, what do you think
32:59
Speaker 2: is going to happen?
33:00
Speaker 3: Alan?
33:01
Speaker 1: Now? Will we ever get the truth?
33:05
Speaker 3: I think so. I think we're going to get the truth.
33:07
Speaker 3: I think there's so much public pressure and there's so
33:09
Speaker 3: much pressure from Congress that I think ultimately we're going
33:12
Speaker 3: to see all the emails, We're going to see the videotapes.
33:15
Speaker 3: If there are videotapes, and I know there are at
33:17
Speaker 3: least some videotapes of what happened in the living room
33:20
Speaker 3: of his house, because he arranged those videotapes with the
33:23
Speaker 3: police in Bombage County because somebody had stolen material from him.
33:28
Speaker 3: So I want everything out there, and I think that
33:31
Speaker 3: the public has been pushing for that. You've been pushing
33:34
Speaker 3: for it. Other people have been pushing, and I think
33:35
Speaker 3: you're going to prevail. I think in the end everything
33:38
Speaker 3: will come out. It will exculpate innocent people like me.
33:41
Speaker 3: It will incumpate guilty people, and I don't know who
33:44
Speaker 3: they are, but whoever they are should be found guilty.
33:47
Speaker 3: And I think in the end the truth will prevail
33:49
Speaker 3: because I'm interested, you know, as a professor, I'm interested
33:53
Speaker 3: in the truth. As an advocate, obviously, I'm interested in
33:56
Speaker 3: getting the best possible conclusion from my clients, But as
33:59
Speaker 3: a professor, I'm interested in the truth and I want
34:03
Speaker 3: the whole truth to come out, and I think it will,
34:05
Speaker 3: and I think it will because of people like you
34:07
Speaker 3: pushing so hard to get everything out there, and you should.
34:11
Speaker 3: You should keep pushing. Don't stop.
34:13
Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz representing one nasty devil after the next. Thanks
34:19
Speaker 2: for being with us tonight, allan, thank you.
34:22
Speaker 3: Also represents the medicine loation represented the time Sharansky. I
34:26
Speaker 3: represented Bill Clinton, I represented Ted Kennedy. That are all innocent,
34:30
Speaker 3: but you know my representation. I also, as I said,
34:33
Speaker 3: represented many women who have been abused and threatened and
34:36
Speaker 3: so gay.
34:37
Speaker 2: To Kennedy, okay, I think I would leave him out
34:40
Speaker 2: of that mix.
34:41
Speaker 1: That said, good night, sir.
34:44
Speaker 3: Good night.
34:45
Speaker 10: After Jeffrey comes forward with her allegations, Epstein writes publicist
34:50
Speaker 10: Peggy Siegel, urging her to suggest to Ariana Huffington that
34:53
Speaker 10: Andrew's accuser is a total liar with a long criminal history.
34:57
Speaker 10: In the Huffington Post should publish a story championing the
35:00
Speaker 10: dangers of false allegations. Epstein denies the girl in the
35:04
Speaker 10: photo was under each while in his employee claiming she
35:07
Speaker 10: was a telephone answerer.
35:09
Speaker 2: So much is happening on the other side of the ocean.
35:12
Speaker 2: Back to Rob Shooter, our favorite britt pr guru, we
35:19
Speaker 2: are now learning in the email dump that Prince Andrew
35:23
Speaker 2: tried to undermine claims that the photo of he and
35:30
Speaker 2: Giffrey was faked. Epstein says, and I quote, yes, she
35:36
Speaker 2: was on my plane talking about Jeffrey. Yes, she had
35:39
Speaker 2: her picture taken with Andrew, as many employees have. Epstein
35:45
Speaker 2: himself validates that photo, which leads me to my question, Rob.
35:51
Speaker 2: Right now there is a move underfoot to have Andrew
35:55
Speaker 2: and Frugie as well prosecuted for using their powers to
36:01
Speaker 2: smear Virginia Jeffrey.
36:03
Speaker 1: What's happening this?
36:06
Speaker 13: This is really the topic of conversation in Britain. It's
36:09
Speaker 13: going to be the conversation I think for several days now.
36:13
Speaker 13: People are furious, people are outraged about this. If Andrew
36:17
Speaker 13: used this tax payer security, we paid for this, we
36:21
Speaker 13: paid for his protection. If he's using his security to
36:25
Speaker 13: get himself out of some ugly, nasty, dirty situations, that
36:30
Speaker 13: is a total, total outrage, and the British public will
36:34
Speaker 13: not stand for it.
36:35
Speaker 3: I think the.
36:36
Speaker 13: Palace hoped that after they stripped him of his palace,
36:39
Speaker 13: of his titles, we had stopped talking about him. But
36:42
Speaker 13: this story is not going away, Nancy. There are still
36:46
Speaker 13: too many questions. Andrew will be held accountable and this
36:50
Speaker 13: story far from over.
36:53
Speaker 10: Royal biographer Andrew Lowney says it's likely Andrew and ex
36:57
Speaker 10: wife Sarah Ferguson wind up behind bars, but he doesn't
37:00
Speaker 10: believe it will be for sex trafficking. Lowney says the
37:03
Speaker 10: case against Windsor is quite clear financial impropriety, misconduct in office,
37:08
Speaker 10: and various public offenses. While Ferguson goes down for unscrupulous
37:13
Speaker 10: use of charity money. Lowney predicts the divorces we'll flee
37:17
Speaker 10: the country. Mount Batten likely taking advantage of the UAE's privacy,
37:21
Speaker 10: much like Spain's former king Juan Carlos.
37:24
Speaker 15: She was the reason I came forward, and I know
37:27
Speaker 15: the reason why so many others have as well. And
37:31
Speaker 15: so she just walks such a fearless path that I
37:33
Speaker 15: just wish that she were alive to see this day.
37:37
Speaker 2: That's from our friends at CBS as Danielle Binski and
37:39
Speaker 2: Epstein victim. So where Virginia Jeffrey left off after her
37:44
Speaker 2: untimely death, other victims have been reignited by her to
37:49
Speaker 2: move forward, including on people within.
37:53
Speaker 1: The US and Andrew. So let me understand this.
37:57
Speaker 2: Rob Sheeter, joining US PR guru and author of it,
38:00
Speaker 2: started with a whisper on Amazon right now, and by
38:03
Speaker 2: the way, it's amazing, Rob Shooter, Andrew and Fergie may
38:07
Speaker 2: go down on nothing to do with Jeffrey. But without you, afraid,
38:13
Speaker 2: this would never have happened. So what will they potentially
38:19
Speaker 2: go down on?
38:20
Speaker 1: What crime?
38:22
Speaker 13: Financial crimes here?
38:23
Speaker 3: Nancy?
38:24
Speaker 13: Let's remember al Capone went to prison for tax evasion,
38:27
Speaker 13: not for murdering people. And so what's happened here is
38:30
Speaker 13: the Jeffrey Epstein case has pulled the thread into a
38:34
Speaker 13: royal couple who use their power in the most outrageous way.
38:38
Speaker 13: We've pulled the thread and now more is going to
38:40
Speaker 13: be coming out. He was a trade ambassador for years.
38:43
Speaker 13: They always had a dodgy reputation. Now it looks like
38:47
Speaker 13: they are outright grifters. This will be easier to prove
38:51
Speaker 13: because the Monday trail doesn't disappear. They're pulling at this
38:56
Speaker 13: and people are assuming. People are pretty much confident that
39:01
Speaker 13: this is going to prove some really serious financial crimes.
39:05
Speaker 13: Andrew did not have a lot of money. So you think,
39:08
Speaker 13: as a prince, the son of Queen Elizabeth, he would
39:11
Speaker 13: have millions and millions.
39:12
Speaker 3: He didn't.
39:13
Speaker 13: He had barely any money of his own. He didn't
39:16
Speaker 13: really have a job, so how did he live like this?
39:19
Speaker 13: A lot of people are saying Jeffrey Epstein paid and
39:22
Speaker 13: who else? Who else paid? We're about to find.
39:26
Speaker 2: Did you see that multimillion dollar view that Epstein had?
39:30
Speaker 3: That?
39:30
Speaker 2: These stinks when you think about some pos abusing her
39:35
Speaker 2: in that massage room looking out over that beach. They
39:38
Speaker 2: can all go straight to ATENLEL.
39:40
Speaker 4: Ryan A.
39:41
Speaker 1: Pitchford. Is it real? Will we truly see the Epstein files?
39:47
Speaker 2: To Eric Fattus joining US, veteran trial lawyer joining US
39:51
Speaker 2: out of Colorado, founding partner of Varner Fattus, elite legal
39:54
Speaker 2: and former felony prosecutor. Eric There's a big difference between
39:59
Speaker 2: releasing congressional files, which are a lot of emails and
40:03
Speaker 2: included excerpts from Filthy Rich. That's a streaming show. Nobody cares.
40:09
Speaker 2: It's a streaming movie made about Epstein. No one cares.
40:14
Speaker 2: Those files are one thing. The DOJ and judicial files
40:19
Speaker 2: are an entirely different matter and contain judicial documents such
40:26
Speaker 2: as depositions, filings, motions, subpoenas, affidavits. The DOJ files will
40:35
Speaker 2: include terabytes of video taken from the Epstein homes, the mansion,
40:39
Speaker 2: Lalita Island and beyond Palm Beach.
40:43
Speaker 1: That's what we need. The DOJ and the judicial files.
40:48
Speaker 2: Is this real fattest and how long can we be stonewalled?
40:53
Speaker 16: Well, Nancy, those DOJ files, they really contained the guts
40:56
Speaker 16: of this substance of investigation that I think has spanned years,
41:01
Speaker 16: if not longer, but potentially decades. You know, they're going
41:03
Speaker 16: to have probably interviews with witnesses, interviews with alleged victims.
41:09
Speaker 16: They're gonna have photographs, videos. This is really the heart
41:12
Speaker 16: of the matter, that this is what the public wants
41:14
Speaker 16: to see. You know, some emails between two people, you know,
41:17
Speaker 16: vaguely discussing something or other is one thing. But we're
41:21
Speaker 16: talking about serious investigative materials that function as evidence and
41:26
Speaker 16: that can give the public a true glipse into what
41:29
Speaker 16: this investigation held and what it's conclusion.
41:32
Speaker 2: For crime stories with Nancy Grace and Eric Fatas, here
41:46
Speaker 2: is the danger in that The danger is that innocent people.
41:50
Speaker 2: For instance, Dershowitz, he may represent a lot of dirty
41:54
Speaker 2: dogs that are totally guilty of the worst crimes imaginable,
42:00
Speaker 2: But the fact that he flew on a private plane
42:03
Speaker 2: with Epstein does not implicate him in wrongdoing or Trump.
42:09
Speaker 2: Whether Trump piled around with Epstein, that does not mean
42:13
Speaker 2: he did anything wrong. However, it's not just those two.
42:17
Speaker 2: There are many many other people that met with Epstein
42:20
Speaker 2: on different matters that are totally innocent.
42:23
Speaker 1: They will be, as I say, in the same pot,
42:26
Speaker 1: distu with the guilty.
42:28
Speaker 2: But that's the price of full transparency, correct it is?
42:33
Speaker 16: You know, I think there's going to be significant collateral
42:36
Speaker 16: damage here, like you're referencing Nancy. You know, there are
42:38
Speaker 16: folks who are going to be caught in the cross
42:40
Speaker 16: heres who may be engaged in no wrongdoing at all.
42:43
Speaker 16: There might even be implications or outright accusations from people
42:47
Speaker 16: that turn out to be false. You know, Jeffrey Epstein
42:50
Speaker 16: is not the most credible dude. Prince Antrew is not
42:53
Speaker 16: the most credible dude. And so if they're pointing fingers
42:55
Speaker 16: at folks, that's.
42:58
Speaker 1: Certainly putting perfume on the pig, you know.
43:02
Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, fattest, how many times have
43:05
Speaker 2: you been alone with the worst the convicted fell on, that.
43:09
Speaker 1: Molested children, that committed a crime.
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Speaker 2: I remember driving all over Atlanta with a convicted rapist
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Speaker 2: who had been out of jail for X number of years,
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Speaker 2: and I needed him to lead me to a cereal
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Speaker 2: child molester. We drove all over Atlanta, him and me
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Speaker 2: in the car for hours and hours. Could it look bad? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it could look bad. So that's what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: And you've been in the same position, and I don't
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Speaker 2: want innocent people implicated. But for these crime victims, there
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Speaker 2: must be a full release of the files. Victoria Churchill
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Speaker 2: joining US US political reporter Deally mail in a nutshell Victoria,
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Speaker 2: And it can get really complicated.
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Speaker 1: What is the Transparency Act?
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Speaker 5: Yes, so the Epstein Files Transparency Act is the bill
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Speaker 5: that was introduced in Congress bipartisan with Thomas Massey and Rocanna.
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Speaker 5: It is for the DoD to release their files. Now
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Speaker 5: that is a congressional bill, But of course the big
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Speaker 5: question comes into can Congress absolutely mandate the DOJ to
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Speaker 5: release every single file?
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Speaker 6: And then if they.
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Speaker 5: Can, the redactions, of course, are the big question. As
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Speaker 5: you pointed out, the files that have already been released
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Speaker 5: contain extensive redactions. The Department of Justice will most likely
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Speaker 5: argue that that is to protect the victims. But if
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Speaker 5: you've also looked at press conferences, the victims say they
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Speaker 5: want all of the files released so that people know
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Speaker 5: the extent of Epstein's crimes.
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Speaker 2: For so long, you've been told there is no client list,
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Speaker 2: and the onus has been put on the crime victims,
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Speaker 2: some of them just twelve years old at the time
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Speaker 2: they were molested to come up with that. Will we
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Speaker 2: finally get the documents necessary to create that client list
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Speaker 2: what and hand it over to the government to pursue Listen, I.
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Speaker 15: Feel a lot of the time that survivors are being
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Speaker 15: asked to come forward with all of this, and I
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Speaker 15: just in feeling like, you know, they just need to
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Speaker 15: do their jobs and find the names.
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Speaker 17: I have been threatened considerably. I've been threatened, uh in
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Speaker 17: phone calls, in packages that have arrived at my house
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Speaker 17: with unpleasant contents. I do believe that they might be
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Speaker 17: intended to silence me, certainly to frighten me into perhaps
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Speaker 17: not coming forward and not being as persistent.
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Speaker 2: Those are victims of Epstein and others. That was Danielle
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Speaker 2: Binski and Anuska de Georgious from CBS and BBC. Even
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Speaker 2: if this is real, it's not a smokescreen, and we
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Speaker 2: do get the DOJ and judicial documents, There's.
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Speaker 1: Still another problem. Juline Maxwell.
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Speaker 14: Trump's Gawayne Maxwell problem is just as serious as his
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Speaker 14: Epstein problem. Maxwell's transferred to Club FED just days after
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Speaker 14: assuring Deputy Attorney General Blanche Trump did not participate in
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Speaker 14: the abuse, appears to be quite the quid pro quo.
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Speaker 14: In addition to the low security facilities general privileges, Maxwell
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Speaker 14: is reportedly demanding VIP treatment that has the warden complaining
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Speaker 14: she's tired of being Maxwell's bitch.
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Speaker 2: Maxwell getting custom meals behind bars?
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Speaker 1: Who's allowing this?
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Speaker 10: Maxwell reportedly receives custom meals in her cell, enjoys private
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Speaker 10: exercise time and access to service puppies. Warden Hall ordered
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Speaker 10: to make all requested accommodations for Maxwell, including carrying out
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Speaker 10: secretarial duties on her behalf, providing snacks for her private
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Speaker 10: meetings with guests, letting her visitors bring in computers, and
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Speaker 10: punishing staff members who refuse to cooperate. Haul is also
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Speaker 10: rumored to be personally assisting Maxwell in preparing a commutation application.
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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. This looks bad,
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Speaker 2: and you know what it is bad, Gallaine Max was
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Speaker 2: a convicted child sex trafficker and she's getting special meals
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Speaker 2: behind bars. If Trump pardons her, all hell is gonna
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Speaker 2: break loose.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, this is a huge problem for his administration. On
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Speaker 6: top of the Epstein files, Gallainne Maxwell's treatment is just
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Speaker 6: horrifying for victims who went through years of testimony and
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Speaker 6: depositions and trying to get Maxwell put behind bars, and
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Speaker 6: now she's getting treated like a VIP star client. It's awful.
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Speaker 2: To Lynn Shaw joining us, Gallaine Maxwell's special treatment.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, hard to say those words special treatment. We also
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Speaker 11: hear we don't have proof, but we hear from some sources.
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Speaker 11: She's also picked up once or twice a week in
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Speaker 11: a big black suv and disappears for a few hours. Now,
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Speaker 11: if this isn't a slap in the face of all victims,
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Speaker 11: not only of this crime duo, but of all sex trafficking,
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Speaker 11: sexually exploited women, even men, boys, girls. What's going on here?
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Speaker 11: Why aren't more people out screaming about this one? The
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Speaker 11: proof's in the pudding.
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Speaker 2: Barry Levine joining us, author of The Spider inside the
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Speaker 2: Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Galline Maxwell, veteran investigative.
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Speaker 1: Reporter and editor.
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Speaker 2: Barry, I'm actually afraid to get my hopes up. We've
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Speaker 2: discussed the problems of the innocent being thrown in the
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Speaker 2: pot with the guilty on this. We've discussed the reactions,
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Speaker 2: We've discussed the possibility that this.
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Speaker 1: Is a smoke screen.
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Speaker 2: Again, if the government was intent on getting the guys
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Speaker 2: that TuS did these, then girls, all they have to
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Speaker 2: do is read your book.
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Speaker 1: Explain it's not rocket size.
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Speaker 2: You've laid it all out, particularly the financial trail.
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Speaker 4: That's absolutely correct, Nancy, and in fact Senator Ron Wyden,
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Speaker 4: who went down the financial road, identified more than one
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Speaker 4: billion dollars in dubious and suspicious wire transfers that Jeffrey
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Speaker 4: Epstein sent through Russian banks, through American banks, to enablers,
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Speaker 4: to men who were helping him over two decades to
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Speaker 4: bring little girls from foreign countries, putting them on planes,
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Speaker 4: dressing them up in college sweatshirts so they would look older,
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Speaker 4: to bring these girls to islands. There's a money trail,
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Speaker 4: more than one billion dollars in money that Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 4: sent out to conduct his sex trafficking. And it's all there, it's.
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Speaker 3: All in the financial records.
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Speaker 4: And why hasn't the Justice Department continued to look into this?
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Speaker 4: Why are we getting these whistleblowers who are only now
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Speaker 4: coming forward. You know, it is so upsetting to me
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Speaker 4: and on behalf of the victims that we're not seeing justice,
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Speaker 4: as I said earlier. Representative Tom Massey said that there's
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Speaker 4: twenty men on his list who received sex trafficking from
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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein. Six billionaires, one of them from Canada, people
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Speaker 4: in the government, people from the music industry, a royal
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Speaker 4: who we know is Prince Andrew, even though he's denied
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Speaker 4: any wrongdoing. We need to see the files, We need
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Speaker 4: to see what the FBI did over the years to
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Speaker 4: investigate these men.
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Speaker 2: Finally, justice for Epstein's victims or another smoke screen to
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall joining us renowned psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany, your
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Speaker 2: advice to the crime victims as we wait to find
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Speaker 2: out the answer to that question, justice or smokescreen?
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Speaker 12: Well, I would say to the victims there are no innocence.
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Speaker 12: I disagree with everybody on this panel. I think anybody
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Speaker 12: who was on the plane the Lalita Express had to
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Speaker 12: have seen something. You can't be on an island with
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Speaker 12: twelve year olds dressed up like college kids and think
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Speaker 12: that nothing is amiss. The offending pattern, I would say
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Speaker 12: to the victims. As I said earlier, the offending pattern
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Speaker 12: is going on. Rich powerful people are using Gillan Maxwell
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Speaker 12: are using withholding documents to maintain their power, privilege and
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Speaker 12: their dark secrecy. But don't you worry, victims, because there
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Speaker 12: are disruptors in society, positive disruptors like Nancy, the people
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Speaker 12: on this panel, people who care about you, who want
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Speaker 12: to protect you. And I do believe that those disruptors
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Speaker 12: will win out at the beat at the end.
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Speaker 3: Of the day.
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Speaker 12: And you, dear victim, are a disruptor too. You are
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Speaker 12: standing up for victims who will come after you. You're
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Speaker 12: playing a very important role. And whenever you think you
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Speaker 12: cannot trust somebody, a partner, a child, a parent, think
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Speaker 12: about the people who are coming forward and also speaking
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Speaker 12: on your behalf, and think about those people so that
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Speaker 12: you can stabilize your attachment systems and have a really
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Speaker 12: good life, which is what you deserve.
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Speaker 2: Tonight we remember an American hero, Corporal Blake Reynolds, Delaware
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Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Indiana, killed in the line of duty, leaving
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Speaker 2: behind a graving wife, now widow Allison. American hero Corporal
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Speaker 2: Blake middles Nancy Gray signing off, Goodbye f