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Power Rankings + Ken Rosenthal’s Inside Scoop: Zac Gallen update, Skubal’s arb win impact, Framber deal · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal with us and he's a
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  Speaker 1: boxing reporter. This week, that's what it felt like with
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  Speaker 1: Trek Scoobel and the Players Association against the Tigers in
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, and the result is Schooble and his
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  Speaker 1: Cy Young Awards physically win. Ken, you wrote this morning
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  Speaker 1: about the heavyweight fight. Can you enlighten us with more?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? And basically what I wrote is that by overreaching
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  Speaker 2: with what they offered, the Tigers and Major League Baseball's
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  Speaker 2: labor relations department set themselves up to fail. And that
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  Speaker 2: was my opinion. It's an opinion, it's not a fact, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems to me that you had to offer
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  Speaker 2: Trek Scooble more than nineteen million. You had to do
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  Speaker 2: that before. When you were making your initial offers, they
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  Speaker 2: were only slightly above David Price's record nineteen point seventy
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  Speaker 2: five million in the initial offers, and then in the exchange,
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  Speaker 2: when you go off for nineteen million, school book comes
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  Speaker 2: back with thirty two million. If they had been higher,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, their position would have been more defensible.
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  Speaker 2: You had to get well above Price eleven years after
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  Speaker 2: he sets that record. And when you didn't do that. Granted,
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  Speaker 2: three person arbitration panel, you never know how they're going
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  Speaker 2: to rule exactly, but it seemed to me it's schooble
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  Speaker 2: because he had the right as a five plus player
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  Speaker 2: to compare himself to all players, not just those in
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  Speaker 2: his service class. Well, then you're bringing in free agent salaries,
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  Speaker 2: you're bringing in Blake's now in his thirty one million
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight million dollar deal. However, you want to look
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  Speaker 2: at it before or after deferrals, and he had a
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  Speaker 2: really strong case at that point. So it seemed to
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  Speaker 2: me that again MLB, with the Tigers and MLB as
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  Speaker 2: a heavy influence in this process, they sought to make
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  Speaker 2: their point and their point was not going to carry
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  Speaker 2: the day. Did not carry the day as it turned out. Ten.
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  Speaker 3: You're bringing an opinion, So here's my opinion. Tell me
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  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong or not. Majorally, Baseball was okay losing
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  Speaker 3: this because of how low of a number they went.
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  Speaker 3: They don't like the arbitration process. Was this almost like
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  Speaker 3: a oh man, we totally lost moment. Oh next next CBA,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna go ahead and nix it.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, Eric, I agree with you that they're not crushed
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  Speaker 2: by this in any sense of the word, but not
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  Speaker 2: for the reason that you just described that it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be eliminated in the next CBA. I'm sure they
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  Speaker 2: would want to do that with a salary cap coming
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  Speaker 2: in and the arbitration system either going away or changing dramatically.
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  Speaker 2: But the reason why I don't believe they are that
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  Speaker 2: upset is because school Bolt was a rare guy five
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  Speaker 2: plus player, right one year away from free agency and
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  Speaker 2: coming off back to back cy Young Awards. How often
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  Speaker 2: are we going to see that going forward? We may
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  Speaker 2: see it with Paul Skens and that would be the
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  Speaker 2: test case, but you're not going to see it all
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  Speaker 2: that often. There's only been I believe, twelve players in
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  Speaker 2: history who won back to back cy Young Awards, and
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  Speaker 2: none before Schoogle as a five plus player. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure they would rather have won than lost, of course,
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  Speaker 2: But are they devastated. No. At the same time, to
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  Speaker 2: me and I wrote these words, it's a major blow
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  Speaker 2: because you lost, and you lost a very high profile case,
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  Speaker 2: and you lost again in my opinion, because they just
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  Speaker 2: didn't go far enough with what they were offering before
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  Speaker 2: and after the exchange date.
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  Speaker 4: With all these points that.
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  Speaker 5: There you go with all the points that you brought up,
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  Speaker 5: and I know Kratzy's talking about the CBA and everything else,
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  Speaker 5: Like for me, I'm like, this is a huge, huge
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  Speaker 5: win for the players expression arbitration is so hard to
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  Speaker 5: win these things, and to see how big a difference
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  Speaker 5: it was from thirty two to nineteen, I think we
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  Speaker 5: got like Paul Skein's probably sitting back like, oh baby,
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  Speaker 5: this is really good, and some upcoming players like this
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  Speaker 5: is a huge number for players.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's it's a lot deeper, and I think
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  Speaker 5: the brass in Major League Baseball, I think that this
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  Speaker 5: hurts some big time. I mean, do you see it
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  Speaker 5: that way or you're just like, oh, it's a big blow,
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  Speaker 5: but it's really not. But I feel like it's a
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  Speaker 5: huge win for the players, Todd.
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  Speaker 2: I see it from both perspectives that I just described.
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  Speaker 2: A huge blow in the sense that you lost a
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  Speaker 2: high profile case, not a huge blow in terms of
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  Speaker 2: what it will mean going forward, because it was such
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  Speaker 2: a specific profile that Schooble filled. Now at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: looking at it from the reverse side, the player's side,
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  Speaker 2: as you just described, Yes, it's a huge win. This
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  Speaker 2: is a record for an arbitration eligible player. Wan Soto
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  Speaker 2: had that record at thirty one million. Schooble now surpasses
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  Speaker 2: it at thirty two million. And the other thing it did,
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  Speaker 2: and this could help in the future, especially with three
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  Speaker 2: to four your players who are arbitration and have special
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  Speaker 2: accomplishments like schemes. It raised the bar for pitchers. It
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  Speaker 2: finally brought the pitchers, at least the elite ones, the
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  Speaker 2: very elite ones, up to the level of position players.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the problems in arbitration over the years
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  Speaker 2: that I know has frustrated the player's side is that
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  Speaker 2: they've been unable to advance pitchers salaries in that process
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  Speaker 2: as rapidly as position players. So yes, this does help
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  Speaker 2: correct that. But again I will say it's a very
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  Speaker 2: specific case. It's a guy who is five plus and
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  Speaker 2: it's a guy with back to back Cy Young's. You
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  Speaker 2: still't see that very often.
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  Speaker 4: Now let's go to the Tigers a little bit more.
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  Speaker 5: Here, Valdez gets picked up three years, one hundred and
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  Speaker 5: fifteen million. School boy got his money. How do you
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  Speaker 5: see this Tigers team now moving forward? I feel like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in those kind of meetings in the room,
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  Speaker 5: they're gonna bash you all the way through. You think
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  Speaker 5: Tarek Scooble is going to be that Guy's like, I
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  Speaker 5: forget this. I'm gonna play my game, not worry about
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  Speaker 5: anything else because of the Bologne that they went through.
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  Speaker 5: Do you see this Tigers team making a push for
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs and getting back in and making some damage again, Well.
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  Speaker 2: Trek Scooble was most likely going to go to be
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  Speaker 2: a free agent anyway, and most likely is going to
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  Speaker 2: try to win his third straight Cy Young Award. No
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  Speaker 2: matter what they said in the room. That's his makeup.
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  Speaker 2: That's all players makeups. They want to be the best
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  Speaker 2: they can be, and they're not gonna listen to some attorneys.
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  Speaker 2: This was outside council arguing the case for the Tigers,
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  Speaker 2: not the Tigers themselves. They're not gonna worry and be
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  Speaker 2: hurt by anything, especially in Schoobl's case. He won, so
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  Speaker 2: there's no reason for him to carry a grudge. But
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  Speaker 2: certainly it will only, I'm sure, add to his motivation
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  Speaker 2: and certainly also the team. Now, as I wrote the
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  Speaker 2: day before, they do not intend trade Tarrek Schoobel. They
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  Speaker 2: have not intended that the entire offseason their intention is
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  Speaker 2: to win, and in speaking to a person who has
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  Speaker 2: briefed on their plans, he repeated that to me. He said,
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  Speaker 2: we are trying to win. So you have these two
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  Speaker 2: pictures to coaess. Now, obviously Schooble is the ace of ases,
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  Speaker 2: but Valdez is pretty good himself and has been an
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  Speaker 2: ace on a World Series team. Obviously they got a
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  Speaker 2: nice one to two punch. And I wrote, in addition
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  Speaker 2: to hearing from that person who had knowledge of the
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  Speaker 2: Tigers thought process, it makes no logical sense to trade Schooble.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna do that now and your fans are going
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  Speaker 2: to revolt. Now, yes, you're only going to get a
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  Speaker 2: draft pick back for him in return if you carry
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  Speaker 2: him through the season and then of course offer him
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  Speaker 2: a qualifying offer. But that's the chance you take trying
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  Speaker 2: to win. And people have said, well, they can still
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  Speaker 2: trade him at the deadline. I don't expect the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: to be out of contention in the Ales Central at
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  Speaker 2: any stage of this season.
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  Speaker 3: Based on reading your article from today, seems like you
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  Speaker 3: talk to people who are in the room or briefed
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  Speaker 3: on what happened in the room. Did you get any
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  Speaker 3: inkling or any any actual words that were said in
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  Speaker 3: the case for Major League Baseball again, Arrek Scooble, because
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was a joke kind of going around
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  Speaker 3: on Twitter, like what could they say? What would be
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  Speaker 3: that like he threw the ball between his legs to
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  Speaker 3: try to make it out in the playoffs, Like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what they could have said.
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  Speaker 2: I saw some of those tweets myself, Eric, and they
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  Speaker 2: were very clever. My understanding without knowing specifically what was
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  Speaker 2: said is that they weren't attacking Schooble. What they were
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  Speaker 2: pointing out is that he is more comparable to in particular,
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  Speaker 2: Jacob de Gram. Jacob de Gram had the previous highest
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  Speaker 2: raise in arbitration. It was I believe nine point four million.
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  Speaker 2: I might be wrong about that in that range, and
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  Speaker 2: they were saying, well, if da Graham got that raise,
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  Speaker 2: then Schooble should only get a similar raise. His would
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  Speaker 2: have been with nineteen million dollars salary eight point eight
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  Speaker 2: five million. So that was the argument. Not so much
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  Speaker 2: Terrek Scougle's no good. I don't know that you can
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  Speaker 2: make that case. But even the argument invoking de Gram
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  Speaker 2: was questionable because de Gram was a four plus player
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  Speaker 2: at the time he got that record raise, not a
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  Speaker 2: five plus. And again, a five plus player you can
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  Speaker 2: compare yourself to anyone. So it seems to me this
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  Speaker 2: was not an attack on Terrek School. But and I
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  Speaker 2: know hearings can get like that. AJ's talked about his
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  Speaker 2: own hearing, and players have always said, you hear things
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  Speaker 2: in there you never want to hear about yourself. But
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  Speaker 2: maybe they pointed out a few things. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: what they were. But really it was a case of
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  Speaker 2: precedent for them, the league and the Tigers, and it
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  Speaker 2: was a case of compul pitchers to ground being one
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  Speaker 2: price being another.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a lot of confusion about how all
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  Speaker 1: of this works. I mean, I saw people that know
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  Speaker 1: the game pretty well tweeting how you can't compare school
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  Speaker 1: to free agents, and it's like, no, you actually can,
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  Speaker 1: based on special accomplishments, the five plus the whole deal.
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  Speaker 1: And now the aftermath from some people is, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: Schoobl's his own case and schemes, but everyone else will
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  Speaker 1: still be in the same realm, And it's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I disagree on that one, because you can compare arbitration
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  Speaker 1: to arbitration, and now you have Schooble there. So even
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  Speaker 1: if you're a few notches below in the future, there's
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  Speaker 1: a big gap between Prices nineteen and Schoobles thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: So my question for you is do you think that
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  Speaker 1: MLB will try and battle this in the next CBA.
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  Speaker 1: This clearly seems like something that MLB is against and
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  Speaker 1: the players are for, because you go to a panel
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  Speaker 1: and you tell a narrative versus a number, which I
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  Speaker 1: believe was proposed in the last CBA. Morey Brown, who's
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  Speaker 1: been on the show before and it does a nice
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  Speaker 1: job for Forbes, said he thinks this will further spur
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  Speaker 1: them to make this a big point in the CBA,
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  Speaker 1: not the top, but obviously one of their big points
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of this, or to at least tweak it.
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  Speaker 2: It has always been a point for them, and I
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  Speaker 2: believe I have a line in the column saying they
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  Speaker 2: can go after the system as they've done in the past.
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  Speaker 2: I don't expect that to be any different. I expect them, maybe,
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  Speaker 2: as more said, to turn it up. But if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to a salary cap, which is obviously what they're
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  Speaker 2: going to propose or at least try to get involved
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  Speaker 2: with then, and you're not going to have arbitration in
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  Speaker 2: any way this shape or form the same as that
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  Speaker 2: is now anyway, So yes they will try. And yes
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  Speaker 2: you're right Scott that a future five plus player can
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  Speaker 2: compare him to self the schooble, but he's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be schooble unless he's schemes. That's the difference. And
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  Speaker 2: will it drag up those players perhaps, I just don't
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  Speaker 2: know that that's going to happen. But in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the owners not liking the process, they've never liked the process,
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  Speaker 2: so I expect fully that they're going to at least
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  Speaker 2: try to make, if not major changes to the process
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  Speaker 2: through salary cap, somewhat tweak it if they can do you.
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  Speaker 3: Think each individual team and this is another one of
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  Speaker 3: my stupid series, but maybe it could stick because we
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  Speaker 3: don't want players. The game is about the players, and
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  Speaker 3: we don't want players against the teams, and clearly the
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  Speaker 3: teams manipulate exactly what they think the teams should pay
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  Speaker 3: the players. Well, we ever see a world where it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be Major League Baseball versus the Players Association
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  Speaker 3: for trek Scrugle for Paul Schemes and know more of
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  Speaker 3: this piratesss versus Paul Schemes.
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  Speaker 2: Eric, It's actually a fair question, and it's fair because
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  Speaker 2: MLB is involved on the owner's side, the club side,
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  Speaker 2: and the Union is involved with recommendations as well on
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  Speaker 2: the player side. So to some extent, it already is that. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I guess what you're suggesting is taking the player out
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  Speaker 2: of the room entirely and going about it that way,
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  Speaker 2: just having the MLB versus the Union. I just don't
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  Speaker 2: know if the Union would like that. I would imagine
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  Speaker 2: they want the players here in this stuff and want
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  Speaker 2: them getting fired up when they hear these kinds of things,
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  Speaker 2: because it shows in some respects how important it is
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  Speaker 2: to have the union and the agents doing their work
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  Speaker 2: that they do an arbitration. So to a very real extent,
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  Speaker 2: it is exactly what you said right now. I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: that the Tigers did not argue this case against Schooble.
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  Speaker 2: They hired outside attorneys to do that. So well, Scott
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  Speaker 2: Boris and people from the Union were arguing the case
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  Speaker 2: for Schooble. The Union is very much involved, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: not to the same extent as the ownership arm, the
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  Speaker 2: labor relations department. I'm not quite sure about that, but
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  Speaker 2: it is kind of union versus It'll be already with
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  Speaker 2: the subset of the player versus the team.
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  Speaker 5: With all these free agent signings going on, there's still
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  Speaker 5: a couple guys out there, Zach Gallen, Bassett, Schurezer. Gallen's
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  Speaker 5: the guy that for me, it's really intricate, but I
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  Speaker 5: feel like he still has a couple more good years
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  Speaker 5: ahead of him. Have you heard of any talks or
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  Speaker 5: any inklings to where he might get picked up before
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  Speaker 5: spring training starts here?
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  Speaker 2: So, Todd, there's been a lot of talk about the
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  Speaker 2: Cubs and Gallon really all off season. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that it will get there. I don't know even the
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  Speaker 2: Orioles or the Padres or any of these other teams
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  Speaker 2: seeking starting pitchers will sign Zach Gallen to what likely
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  Speaker 2: will be a short term deal with opt outs and
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  Speaker 2: give up a draft pick in the process. So it
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  Speaker 2: seems to me, and I might be wrong about this,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just giving my thoughts on it. It seems to
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  Speaker 2: me the most obvious place for him to go is
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  Speaker 2: back to Arizona on a short term deal with a
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  Speaker 2: one year opt out so he can get back into
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  Speaker 2: free agency next year off a better year and without
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  Speaker 2: a draft pick attached. That would give him a better
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  Speaker 2: chance to do what he wants to do in the market.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen Scott Boris and with clients do this repeatedly.
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  Speaker 2: Gollon is represented by Boris, and if the Diamondbacks sign Gowan,
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  Speaker 2: of course they do not lose a draft pick. So
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  Speaker 2: from that perspective, it just seems to me to line up.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the question for the Diamondbacks will be do
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  Speaker 2: they have the money to do that. They've got a
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  Speaker 2: lot invested in some injured pictures right now, but they've
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: already got Meryl Kelly under contract. If you get Gallon back,
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  Speaker 2: if even for only one year, and then Corbyn Burns
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  Speaker 2: comes back in mid season, you have an interesting group.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of a loss for the Diamondbacks. They don't
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  Speaker 3: get a they don't get a pick for him, for
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  Speaker 3: him signing somewhere else. So the Diamonbacks they get they
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: do get Zach Gallon, but are they pushing in? I
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  Speaker 3: get it. I get it. A team that's been in
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  Speaker 3: on everybody. It's the end of the offseason, and I
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: saw what you wrote about me on Twitter that I'm
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: a buffoon, and then I hit below two oh nine
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  Speaker 3: and I'm a negative. Oh that wasn't you, Ken. That
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  Speaker 3: was the rest of Twitter. But I said about the
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  Speaker 3: Pirates not actually being truly in what were you hearing?
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  Speaker 3: Because some of those some of those were from you,
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  Speaker 3: And so people are like, well, if Ken says it,
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  Speaker 3: then it must be true. And I am saying it's true.
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  Speaker 3: But your how how far of a level was it
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  Speaker 3: that the Pirates We're in on some of these guys.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not writing fiction, first of all, and I'm also
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  Speaker 2: not writing just what the Pirates tell me to think that.
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  Speaker 2: I understand fans think everything we do has an agenda
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  Speaker 2: and we're simply puppets on marionettes. That's not how it works.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go any further. I'm not telling
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  Speaker 2: you where I get my information, but I am not
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: the pirates public relations are obviously, so you ask how
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  Speaker 2: serious they've been. And this is the question we talked about,
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  Speaker 2: I believe the other day on FT. But we'll get
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: into it again here. It seems to me they are
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: making offers that reflect a player's value. With Ajohanes Swartz,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: they offered him about fifteen. He got about fifteen. The
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  Speaker 2: problem for the Pirates is that you can't be winning
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: that way. Players don't want to go to Pittsburgh when
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: they have better competitive teams or more competitive teams in
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  Speaker 2: the mix for them. Suaz did that with Cincinnati playoff
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  Speaker 2: team last year, the team that he played with for
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  Speaker 2: seven years. Now. In the case of from ver Valdez,
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  Speaker 2: they were in and they were aggressive, is my understanding,
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  Speaker 2: but at that aav above thirty eight million. If I
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  Speaker 2: had known they were going to get thirty eight million
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  Speaker 2: from Ravaldez, I probably would not have even put the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Pirates in the aggressive category. I didn't know that at
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: the time I reported it. I just knew that they
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: were trying so to win these free agent battles, they're
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: going to have to outbid other teams. And if they're
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: not willing to do that, then you can understand why
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: they might not want to overpay players. Okay, then go
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: to the trade market and try to do it that way,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: which they have in getting Brandon Lawe and Justinskin Justinskin Garcia.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not pronouncing it right, it's the past word. Of course,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: they have made some interesting trades this offseason, So I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: don't know that they should be derided for trying. You
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: could say they're not trying hard enough, and that's certainly
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: a fair criticism because they have to do more to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: get these players. But they did sign Ryan O'Hearn two
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: years twenty nine million, and they are still trying to
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: get another hitter, whether it's through free agency or trade.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Last team I have to ask you about raise his
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: eyebrows for me when I see them in on possibly
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: trading for Freddy Peralta and we're in on from ber Valdez.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Is the Minnesota Twins. When their name gets put in there,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I'm like, do they mean like twins of like like
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: two people who look alike that were born at the
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: same time? Twins? Like? How is what's your reaction when
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: you're hearing like that type of news from your sources?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine. First of all, I did not hear
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the twins on Valdez, so I can't take any credit
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: for that or any knowledge of it. Even that would
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: shock me. With where they are now, they're in an
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: interesting place. Tom Polott has taken over, Derek Falve has left,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Tom poll Out has said we're gonna be competitive this year,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and people have laughed at him for saying, well, you
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: say you're gonna be competitive, but but you're not spending
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: any money. So from that perspective, might they have thrown
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: their hat in the ring on Valdez. Sure? More likely though,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: a Peralta trade would have been appealing to them, because
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Paralta is making eight million this year, which is severely
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: below market for a picture of his caliber. Any team,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: small market teams as well as large market teams could
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: have been in the mix for Paralta and absorbed him
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: into their payroll. So that would not surprise me at
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: all that they were in on Freddie Peralta. When they're
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: claiming they want to be competitive Valdez. Maybe they were in,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: but in like the pirates, they were only going to
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: go to a certain level there.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: It is Ken, Thank you very much. Fascinating week for
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: what first week of February. I'll say I enjoyed the weekend.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys. Chalut.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: We've got power rankings, super duper early ones. SEEBS put
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: these out about a week ago. But we've been busy
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and today we're a little it's busy, so we're ready.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Where the league stands with most free agency dost settled. Now,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: keep in mind, there are a few moves that have
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: been made since this happened, so from Bravaldez affecting the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Tigers position on here. Let's keep that in mind when
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you're scrutinizing their list. But have fun with it. We
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: can start with the tippy top top ten. I'll just
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: read it out and then get your thoughts. Okay, go
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: on to do it that way.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Dodgers one, Brewers, two Blue Jays, three Cubs, four Yankees,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: five Brave six Mariners, seven Red Sox eighth. The Mets
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: check in at ninth. Another NL's team, the Phillies at ten.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: How did they do?
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I think they missed one key team on here. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: got to be honest with you and you guys. You
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: guys know I've been on this team since day one,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: criticizing them.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Where's the Orioles at Oh?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Where are my?
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Did I just say you're on the train? Now?
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Just hop on the train.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: On the train.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Wow, I'm on the train.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: First, when you pick up one of the most prolific
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: hitters in baseball and Pete Alonzo, you can't go wrong
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: with that. And I felt like they got him on
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: a nice, easy deal. He probably could have made a
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: little bit more money. Blah blah blah. We know the
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: whole story.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Undercover pickup Shane Boz.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I gotta be honest with you. I love Shane Boz.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: I think he needed a little change of scenery, get
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: in a little colder air. He is funny as all heck.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I room with him in the Olympics. He's absolutely out
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: of this world.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: He's pumping weights left and right.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Listen, Zach Eflin, I gotta be honest. The dude can play.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: He can play, He's been there before. Is he gonna
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: wow you right now? Probably not, but another effective starter.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: He's gonna give you, you know, long relief and long
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: times there. And the one I really liked too is
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Ryan Helsley. Another guy that they can punch in pretty
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: much anywhere in that that bullpen and do whatever you
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: want with him. So there's a couple other guys, I mean, listen,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Leonti tavars Is Okay, Andrew Kittingridge, Taylor Ward from the Angels.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I think they should be I shouldn't. I don't think
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: top five, but I think they should be in the
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: top ten team that I would take off.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, man, I would take off. I mean Brewers are
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: number two.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I think we need to get into that. After you
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: kick a team out.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Man, I would, I would kick off. I would kick out. Though,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: my goodness, gracious, this changes everything. I'd take the Braves out.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I would take the Braves.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I would, I would. I would spot your I think
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: you're spot on with that. I think the Braves can
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: be shoot. I think the Braves can be second or
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: third best team in the league for sure. There's a
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: lot of canby though, there's a lot of canby if
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: this does. It was so it was so unlucky that
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the Braves last year said, okay, five six of our
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: starters all got hurt like that is ridiculous. That's not
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: gonna happen again. All five or six of those starters
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: aren't gonna have cy young years though. Either they upgraded
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: in their bullpen with Robert Suarez. They brought back Iglacia,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: who was unbelievable. He was great at the end of
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: the season. But sixth, I don't think. I don't think
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: they're six to me, I think the Mets and Phillies
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: are above them. Right now and they have to prove it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I still think they're a playoff team. But really the biggest,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the biggest on this list is the Brewers. Like I'm
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: not sure what CBS was doing with this one. How
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: they had them up there. They were, they had the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: most wins in the National League. I get that they
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: got rid of they got rid of pieces and added
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: what did they add again? I mean they added Did
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: they get Nolan McClain from the Mets for Freddie Peralta. No,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: they got Brandon Sproute, who could be great. Obviously, I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: not kicking the Brewers out of the top ten because
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: of what they've done and because of my love for
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the Brewers, I will not kick them out of the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: top ten. The Braves are kicked out top ten. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: if we could put the list of one time I
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: had a little bit of a switcher route, I think
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the Mariners, whatever order it is, I think the Mariners
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: are better than the Yankees currently. I think how they
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: come into the season, they're better than the Yankees. I
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: think the Cubs are They're a little bit. I think
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: they're a little bit inflated on this list. Are they
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the second best National League team? Because I kicked the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Brewers out. No, I think that. I think that falls
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: to the Phillies. Are Mets still until the Cubs prove
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: that they can have a great season. Is Alex Bregman
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: taking over for what Kyle Tucker did the beginning of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the season last year? Like you know, to me, I
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: think there's a there's a pecking order in the National League,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and I still think it runs through the National League East,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: after you have after you have the Dodgers, so I think,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: and I think the Mariners are ahead of the Yankees.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I think the Mariners are the second best team. And
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I think maybe there's a world and I don't know
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: who I kick out or the Tigers should be top
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: ten just because they have a power packed lineup, our
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: power packed rotation. They didn't add to their lineup. And
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I know this list came out before Framber Valdez was signed,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: but you know, so that's where I would That's where
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I would change. But if you told me at Tigers
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: are eleven, I'd be cool with that too.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: H agreed.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I like a lot of what you said. Do you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: want to see the bottom ten?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Please?
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Because I think there's some wrong ones on the bottom ten.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: We're going from worst to not as bad thirty Rockies
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: twenty nine, Nationals, White Sox at twenty eight, Angels twenty seven,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Twins check in at twenty six. We put the Cardinals
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: or CBS did at twenty five, Pirates go to twenty four,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Marlins twenty three, Raising Florida next to them twenty two,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and the A's at twenty one.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of who should be down there
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: that it's not there right now.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I think he's smart. Alecan has a name.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: What do you got, Crothy?
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I don't think the Pirates should be in there. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: think the Pirates have done enough to improve their team,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: and they still have Paul Skins. Like the record, the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: record or the stat that if the Pirates have scored
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: three or more runs in every one of Paul skien starts,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: he'd be forty three to one. Like this team's offense
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: has improved, has their defense declined? I don't know. That's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: hard to say. Maybe maybe there's a there's going to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: be a drop off there, but with Paul Skiing's at
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: the top, I think anything is possible. I don't think
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: the Pirates are in that bottom ten. I also don't
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: think the A's of Sacramento. The Aths are in the
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: bottom ten. I think they did think every Mason Miller, absolutely,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: JP Sears was a quality starter for them. I know
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: as Era wasn't great. I just think they started to
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: acclimate to playing in a Triple A park and how
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: they can use that to their advantage the last two
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: months of the season.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I think it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I think it goes into this season. I think some
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: of their guys have There's there's the whole contract boost.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: You get a contract and all of a sudden, you're
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: not like you're not sleeping at night. Oh man, if
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get sent down a Triple A Wait a minute,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I'm already playing in a Triple A park.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: You know. It's just some of their guys are now
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: solidified in their roles, and I think they're I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: they're not. I don't think they're a top top or
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: bottom ten team.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Well, there's one team I think that should be in there.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: I would say Tampa Bay had the chance of being
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: in Oh they are in there.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Now they are in there.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: I'm struggling today. I think I think the power should
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: be there. Honestly, I mean, listen, what have they done.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: They have Paul Skins, Yeah, and they still can't find
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: ways to win. Yeah. Did they get a couple of guys,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: of course they did. But you can't tell me that
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: they're a top twenty team right now. I mean, listen,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: they're on the bottom of the list in the NL
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Central each year. They can't find a way to dig
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: out of there, and they hurt themselves at the end
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: of the day. So they didn't really get that much
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: big of names, and it's just gonna be the Pirates
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: of old.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Make Crats do what he's supposed to do, which is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: if he is going to defend a team and say
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the Pirates deserve to be twenty or better, I'm fine
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: with that. But you know the game. If you think
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the A's and the Pirates do not belong on the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: bottom ten list that is put together by CBS, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: must help them replace those two teams. There needs to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: be a bottom ten. It's not easy. Trust me, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: went through the extra.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Give me a sack here, hang on, hang on, I'm.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Telling you it's not going to be easy. We can
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: literally go through the teams, it doesn't even take that long,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and you're going to struggle to find teams that replace them.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I'm looking I'm looking through my you can go through,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: but I'm also looking through.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I can, but I think the exercise is fun to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: do it this way. Okay, So you're not putting the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the Braves in there, right, they were borderline on the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: top ten. The Diamondbacks, so you're putting them in the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: bottom ten. I'm not Cubs, Red Sox Orioles. We're good.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: They're not touching that list. White Sox are already in it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not putting the Reds in there. I'm not putting
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the Guardians in there, not a bottom ten. Rockies are
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: in there already. Not putting the Tigers, not the Astros
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: for me, not the Royals, Angels are already in there,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Dodgers obviously. I'm just going.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Down twice twice.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Ls are in there already. Brewers are not going in there.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Twins are in there already, Mets and Yankees and Phillies
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: are not going in there. Pirates are in there already.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: We're almost done with the list of teams. Padres are
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: not going in there. I don't think the Giant should
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: be in there. Mariners are obviously not in there. Cardinals
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: are already in there. Rays are already in there. I'm
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: not putting the Rangers in there or the Blue Jays
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: and the Nats are already in there. It is a perfect
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: bottom ten. It is perfect. They nailed it. It is
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: very difficult to agree.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: To your point.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: You can move a couple of teams.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: That's fine, you know, to like, you.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Know, put the Pirates of twenty two behind the Athletics,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: that kind of deal. You can do that kind of thing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: But I don't. I guess, yeah, I don't. I don't
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: see anybody else going in.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: No Sunny Days in the chat said Diamondbacks are definitely
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: bottom ten. I mean that's fine. I respect opinions, but
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I don't agree. I think that they could get close
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to that. But I don't agree that they're bottom ten.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. I mean, I mean I can I
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: can definitely, I can see the Rangers. I can see
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the Rangers maybe sliding in there, unless they completely change
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the culture and unless Nimo is that shot in the
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: arm for the offense. I think, you know, there's a
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: possibility there. But that rotation was ridiculous. So yeah, you're right,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I would say I can't. I can't replace them, so
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I can't take any of them.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Out over under Marlins bet MGM saying seventy two and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a half, Where are we going?
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: This is close? I don't think I think they'll be
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: under five hundred. But how far.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Big gap between seventy two and a half and eighty
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: one wins which is five hundred? Do you think they'll
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: fill in that gap? They traded away some pitching, they'll
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: probably trade away more pitching in Sandy al Contra. But
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: they kind of surprised some people last year. They won
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: seventy nine games this past season.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Man, you guys put me on the spot here, Why
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: don't you.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Just talk about shock taking.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna say under but really close, I'm gonna
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: say under under. Okay, I think that n AL least
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: is a gauntlet. I think it's some really good squads.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Want to see them when I like the Miami Mons,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I like the organization, like everything about them, But I
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: would say closer to seventy I would little under seventy wins?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: What do you like everything about them? What is what
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: is the like about them? Like I like some.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Dudes on the team.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: You're gonna you're gonna gonna speak up or you're gonna
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: speak out, let's go.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, I like, I like some of the dudes
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: on the team. But that's why I'm taking That's why
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I'm taking the over is because I think this is
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: under set, way way too low. I think if they
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: had said, like seventy four seventy five, I would have
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: been like, Okay, they won seventy seventy nine games last year.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Seventy nine games last year, and I think you sit
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: there and you go, okay, yes, I get it. They
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: got rid of their best pitcher from last year in
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Edwar Cabrera, but that's what they've been doing. They've been
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: pumping out pitching and supposedly they have pitching galore coming
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: from the minor leagues. I think this is a seventy
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's a seventy four to six six win team,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: and so I'm taking the over. I'm not taking as
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: big of the over as I have taken, but I
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: really like this one. I think they showed that they
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: can win games, and they're some of their position players
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: have really taken the next steps. And you have another
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: full season of stours, you have Augustine Ramirez behind the dish.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I love it. But I'm not putting any money on it,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: because they could get rid of another picture, they could
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: get rid of Sandy Yep part way through the year,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm so nervous about it. But they could also
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: win thirteen games against the Nationals, who have done zip
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: zero nothing this offseason.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Marlins have done just about zip zero nothing too. Don't
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: forget about that. Remember the article in the beginning of
• 33:47
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  Speaker 3: Did a lot. I can't even mention the same the
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  Speaker 1: real quick. I know nothing, but I'm just gonna say, Seahawks.
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  Speaker 5: You man, I'm going against. I think people are putting
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  Speaker 5: I have a fine I think they find a way
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  Speaker 5: Necessarily he's not reading for that. That's why I want
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  Speaker 1: Well, isn't it like Brady Belichick and he got I pissed. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: he's a broadcaster. Now, you gotta be neutral. Gotta be neutral.
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  Speaker 1: Who's winning the super Bowl on Sunday? Where do I
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Who's winning it? I don't know who's winning it, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not touching that one. It's too much time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm easily swayed. I can go tails.
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  Speaker 4: No, let's go let's talk about you want heads, I
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  Speaker 4: want tails.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna do an hour post show, all right, we'll
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  Speaker 1: just three to four. We'll talk heads or tails