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Ken Rosenthal on Pirates signing Heaney, Verlander's quest, Yanks allowing beards, Free agent holdouts · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: It's very curious to me that it's coming out on
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Speaker 1: this day. Why wouldn't you have announced this January thirty,
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Speaker 1: it's before the players got the.
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Speaker 2: Camp that's hit the side Scoop with FT senior insider
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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthalken. Good to see you. I'll start with a
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Speaker 2: signing that we didn't get to yet and we'll talk
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Speaker 2: about later. It's not the world's biggest, but it's one year,
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Speaker 2: five million dollars for Andrew heany to join the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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Speaker 2: They're still spending a little bit of money right now.
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Speaker 2: What was your thought on that signing and just any
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Speaker 2: overall thoughts on the Pirates, as we haven't talked about
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Speaker 2: them in a minute.
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Speaker 1: Just looking at it from Heeney's perspective, obviously the money
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Speaker 1: is not where he would have wanted it to be.
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Speaker 1: I would think he would have wanted somewhere in the
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Speaker 1: ten million dollar range. He's a pretty accomplished picture in
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Speaker 1: his own way. He's not an ace, I get it,
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Speaker 1: but he is someone that you would have thought, in
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Speaker 1: a market that originally was quite hot for starting pictures,
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Speaker 1: might have done better. But what's interesting thing about this
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Speaker 1: to me is he gets to join a rotation that
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Speaker 1: is pretty good, right Jerry Jones, Mitch Keller, and H.
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Speaker 1: Paul Skeens. So now you add he need to that,
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Speaker 1: and for the Pirates, that's a pretty formidable group. Now,
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Speaker 1: I still question their offense, their big offensive addition, Spencer
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Speaker 1: Horowitz has already heard. They didn't really do much else.
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Speaker 1: I don't like the way the team has run, and
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Speaker 1: we all talked about that for years now. But this
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Speaker 1: signing at that price should be pretty good for them.
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Speaker 3: Was this based on the fact that you can't find
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Speaker 3: a position player for five whatever point million dollars and
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Speaker 3: so they're like, well, it kind of looks good because
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Speaker 3: we're adding to our depth. Is that really the only
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Speaker 3: option or was it something that they were pursuing other
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Speaker 3: pictures and this is just the first one to offer
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Speaker 3: or to accept this love of an offer.
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure Eric how that has played out
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Speaker 1: for them. Obviously they've been on both position players and pitchers.
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Speaker 1: There was a report by Robert Murray last night that
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Speaker 1: they originally pursued Jose Kintana. Now I don't expect Kantana
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Speaker 1: is going to sign for five million dollars, just as
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Speaker 1: I don't expect Kyle Gibson, if he signs, will sign
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Speaker 1: for five million or anything like that. But maybe I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: and maybe these guys ultimately will have to be forced
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Speaker 1: to settle for these lesser deals. But from the Pirates perspective,
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Speaker 1: I don't imagine Eric that it was We've got five
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Speaker 1: million and this picture will take it, so we can't
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Speaker 1: get a position.
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Speaker 2: Player for that.
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Speaker 1: They are who they are, and they should have spent
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Speaker 1: more on position players period this offseason and did not.
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Speaker 3: All right, Ken, Mohen, was the last time you had
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Speaker 3: a beard? Uh?
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Speaker 1: Never?
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Speaker 3: Never? So you have been You have been the one
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Speaker 3: pushing the facial hair policy for the Yankees. We knew it.
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Speaker 3: We knew there was somebody behind every move in baseball,
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Speaker 3: and we didn't think this was you, Ken, But it
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Speaker 3: is you, the Yankees changing their facial hair policy. And
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Speaker 3: how and how kind of stuck his flag in the
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Speaker 3: midfield of of the Yankees' own field and said, I'm
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Speaker 3: ultimately the one that makes this decision. Do you know
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Speaker 3: any background of how long this decision was being mulled
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Speaker 3: over by the man the king?
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Speaker 4: How?
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Speaker 1: I don't, And it's very curious to me that it's
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Speaker 1: coming out on this day. Why wouldn't you have announced
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Speaker 1: this January thirtieth, before the players got to camp. But
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Speaker 1: this is what they're doing, and hal Steinbrenner said he
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Speaker 1: consulted with several players and former players about this. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that he would have gotten any different answer
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Speaker 1: if he had consulted with players and former players five
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Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago, fifteen years ago, going back
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Speaker 1: to the days of Don Mattingly when he was fighting
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Speaker 1: with the Yankees over facial hair. It's been a ridiculous
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Speaker 1: policy for way too long. My only question is what
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Speaker 1: took so long and why even was this policy under
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Speaker 1: Heilsteinbrenner prolonged in the first place. I just don't understand
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Speaker 1: this whole thing from start to finish, This Yankee Pride stuff.
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Speaker 1: My friend Joel Sherman pointed out at one point, Well,
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Speaker 1: Yankee Pride. They've already put some advertising on the uniform,
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Speaker 1: the Nike swoosh. They've also moved from one Yankee stadium
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Speaker 1: to the other to the other. They've had three different
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Speaker 1: Yankee stadiums. This tradition stuff, why didn't have to include
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Speaker 1: the hair? That didn't really make much sense to me.
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Speaker 3: Are you saying the Yankees' moral degradation is going downhill
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Speaker 3: because they've changed the stadium, they've changed the beard policy,
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Speaker 3: the advertisement. What next, what's the next thing? Are they
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Speaker 3: gonna have names on the back of their jersey to
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Speaker 3: sell a few more ken.
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Speaker 1: Hell, I don't know about that. Eric can't do that.
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Speaker 1: But this whole idea of this Yankee tradition, yeah, we
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Speaker 1: get it. The Yankees do have tradition. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that the tradition was perpetuated by the no facial hair policy,
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Speaker 1: but today and a merciful well, it met a merciful demise.
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Speaker 1: Put it that way.
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Speaker 5: Look at you man and your facial hair talk. I
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Speaker 5: don't like facial hair, as you can tell, so it
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Speaker 5: doesn't like you anyway. I want to go to your
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Speaker 5: article you wrote about justin Verlander and Buster Posey explaining, Hey, listen,
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Speaker 5: you know I don't want you to be a mentor here.
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Speaker 5: You know I'm paraphrasing here. I want you. We want
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Speaker 5: you here basically because we know how good you are
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Speaker 5: and we want you to get back to being great.
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Speaker 5: Can you dive in a little bit more about that
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Speaker 5: conversation and what Buster Posey and Verlander we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I conducted a bunch of interviews for Fox earlier
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Speaker 1: this week that will be put together later in the
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Speaker 1: season when we have the Giants on Fox. And in
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Speaker 1: those conversations, that's what Posey said to me. Hey, when
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Speaker 1: I went after this guy, it wasn't simply to be
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Speaker 1: the father figure to the staff. It was because I
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Speaker 1: believe he can be Justin Verlander. Maybe not to Justin
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Speaker 1: Verlander of two thousand and six, two than twenty two
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Speaker 1: or whatever, but someone who is really, really good. And
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Speaker 1: Verlander clearly believes that as well. And so far it's early,
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Speaker 1: I know, but he seems to be recovered from his
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Speaker 1: neck and shoulder problems from last year. He's feeling good
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Speaker 1: about himself and his goal still is three hundred wins,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know that he'll get there. He's thirty
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Speaker 1: eight shy, but if there's ever a guy you want
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Speaker 1: to bet on, it's him, and he keeps himself in
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Speaker 1: great shape. He told me he wants to pitch until
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Speaker 1: he's forty five. He just turned forty two yesterday. It's
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Speaker 1: not a set goal or anything like that, but he
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Speaker 1: always idolized Nolan Ryan. Nolan Ryan pitched until he was
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Speaker 1: forty six. So with Verlander guys, I just find him
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Speaker 1: so fascinating. He has such a history in the game.
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Speaker 1: He has made so much history in the game. And
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Speaker 1: to see him now and Max Shur's are the same
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Speaker 1: with Toronto. To see these guys trying again and trying
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Speaker 1: to get back to where or at least close to
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Speaker 1: where they used to be, that to me is pretty cool.
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Speaker 3: Ken, Justin's gonna pitch until Kate says it's okay for
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Speaker 3: him to keep pitching. Okay, So that's how That's how
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Speaker 3: it will go for Justin, and if he wants to
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Speaker 3: compete with that. I understand they're doing a tour of
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Speaker 3: the cities. Where were you, Ken when you saw the
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Speaker 3: first challenge of the ABS system and was it just
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Speaker 3: as insurmountable of a moment in your life as you
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Speaker 3: thought it would be.
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Speaker 1: It was not, because I was writing the Verlander column
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Speaker 1: at the time, so I wasn't actually paying attention to that.
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Speaker 1: But it's going to be really interesting, Eric to see
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Speaker 1: how this plays out. And as a former catcher, I
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Speaker 1: am sure you are quite intrigued by this whole thing
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Speaker 1: and how catchers strategically will pick their times to challenge.
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Speaker 1: Now it's the catchers, the pitchers and the hitters. They
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Speaker 1: all have the ability to challenge no one else does,
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Speaker 1: and you have to do it immediately. And I was
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Speaker 1: really interested reading j. Starks article yesterday in The Athletic
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Speaker 1: about how in the minor leagues when they've had this
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Speaker 1: challenge system on abs, pitchers basically were told, no, you
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Speaker 1: can't do this, don't do this, you mess it up,
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Speaker 1: because pitchers always think I guess that the pitchers are
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Speaker 1: strikes and they don't have the best angle on some
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Speaker 1: of them. But catchers and how they choose and when
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Speaker 1: they choose to challenge, that's going to be really interesting
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Speaker 1: and how they just go about this. Now. One thing
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious about is obviously in spring training
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Speaker 1: you're just looking to see if this thing works okay,
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Speaker 1: and if the system works okay, and they'll tweak it
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Speaker 1: from here if indeed players embrace it. But the strategy
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Speaker 1: part of it, the spots you pick, that would be
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Speaker 1: different in the regular season then it would be in
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Speaker 1: a spring training game. So that's one thing that we
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Speaker 1: won't necessarily get a great feel for how it would
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Speaker 1: play out in a regular season game. But I'm interested
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Speaker 1: to see how this all goes this spring, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, ken, I heard you call my name out yesterday
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Speaker 2: on fair Territory because I mentioned how ooh wait ready,
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Speaker 2: I think I was right on this. I mentioned how
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Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, if this is so good and this
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Speaker 2: works so well, yes, can we just.
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Speaker 4: Implement it in the league now?
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Speaker 2: And you said no, it's got to go through a
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Speaker 2: whole process, competition committee, et cetera. I get that, but also,
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Speaker 2: you know, this isn't the Ten Commandments or some crazy
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Speaker 2: Bible thing or something like that.
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Speaker 4: I mean the point is, I'm like, why do we
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Speaker 4: make these things up?
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Speaker 2: Like, of course we could not do this, We need
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Speaker 2: to do our whole one year process, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, why, if it's awesome and everyone loves it
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Speaker 2: and it looks good enough, let's get on a freaking
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Speaker 2: you know, Google Meet or a Zoom and.
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Speaker 4: Say, hey, guys, we all like this good?
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll get it set up in the ballparks
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Speaker 2: because I think fans are going to love it, So
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Speaker 2: why wait a year?
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Speaker 1: Because the CBA states that there's a competition committee that
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Speaker 1: has to vote, and if they approve it, it has
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Speaker 1: to be a situation where forty five days notice is given.
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Speaker 1: It used to be a year, and it's changed in
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Speaker 1: recent times. That's a reasonable amount of time, I think
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Speaker 1: to have this kind of window, but to do it
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Speaker 1: right away, Scott, even if it worked great, I know
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Speaker 1: the scenario you're describing. It makes sense, right, If this
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Speaker 1: is great, what's the delay? But I don't expect it's
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Speaker 1: going to be completely great, and I expect that there
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Speaker 1: will be some tweaks needed, some improvements, some adjustments, And
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Speaker 1: I don't know that you want to rush into it
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Speaker 1: even if it works out really well. So again, let's
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Speaker 1: see how it plays out, first of all. But that's
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Speaker 1: what the CBA says. And you can't just break the
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Speaker 1: CBA unless I guess if the league went to the
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Speaker 1: union and said, hey, let's do this, then if the
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Speaker 1: union said yes, I guess they could just abandon what
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Speaker 1: they have. But I don't see that happening.
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Speaker 4: Okay, all right.
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Speaker 3: One of the YouTube questions that we had from four,
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Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna say it. Sorry, this is yeah,
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Speaker 3: I can't even say it. I don't even know what
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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm say a bad name, so I'm
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Speaker 3: not gonna read it. But the question is which remaining
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Speaker 3: free agent do you think is coming off the board next.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question. I don't know the answer
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Speaker 1: to that. I do know some of the names that
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Speaker 1: are still out there, and Kintana would be the obvious
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Speaker 1: choice here to say one it's coming off the board next,
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Speaker 1: because he probably is the best one still remaining. I
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Speaker 1: mentioned Kyle Gibson before. Lance Lynn is still out there.
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Speaker 1: Alex Verdugo from a position player standpoint, is still out
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Speaker 1: there as well. So if I had to guess an answer,
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Speaker 1: I would say Kintana. There are teams interested in him,
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Speaker 1: as there should be teams interested in him. He had
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Speaker 1: like a three point one in the second half last year.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what is the problem. I know, actually
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Speaker 1: what the problem is. He does a miss enough bats.
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Speaker 1: That's the rap on certain guys now, But you know what,
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Speaker 1: not all pictures do it the same way. And Jose
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Speaker 1: Kintana is a pretty good pitcher and did a decent
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Speaker 1: job for the Mets last year. He should be signed.
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Speaker 1: The other guy that is someone to watch is David Robertson.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what his intentions are, but he is
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Speaker 1: the best reliever still out there.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's always obviously a battle about price. We
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Speaker 2: had Lance Lain on the show not long ago, and
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Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I mean I got a number in
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Speaker 2: my head. I've got to hit that number. His leverage
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Speaker 2: is fitch for a while. I've got a lot of money,
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Speaker 2: not desperate. I can wait things out. Curious as to
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Speaker 2: your take on where we're at at this point, I
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Speaker 2: know we're into spring training. Is it pictures maybe waiting
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Speaker 2: for a team to unfortunately suffer an injury and say, okay,
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Speaker 2: we need to get up to this value number. Because
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Speaker 2: on the other side, some of the pictures you mentioned
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Speaker 2: seem to be in a similar tier. And my guess
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Speaker 2: is that the offers might be more in that Andrew
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Speaker 2: Heeney five range, and that group wants to get closer
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Speaker 2: to the fifteen range that people like Cobb, Shars or
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Speaker 2: Verlander got and even settling in the middle. My guess
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Speaker 2: is right now, the way teams play is, yeah, we'll
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Speaker 2: give you the one year five and they want at
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Speaker 2: least ten, just kind of putting some easy numbers on it.
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Speaker 1: A Scott, from what I've heard, it's not even five.
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Speaker 1: That's not the number they're proposing to these guys. It's lower,
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Speaker 1: it's two or three. And if you're Lance Linn and
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Speaker 1: maybe even if you're Kyle Gibson, one, you don't want
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Speaker 1: to sell yourself short and take a number that you
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Speaker 1: don't think is representative of who you are. Two. If
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Speaker 1: you're one of those guys. Now granted they're not gazillionaires,
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Speaker 1: but they've made money in their careers and they don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily want to play for that amount of money. Now,
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Speaker 1: to me, it's a lot of money. To you guys's
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. To everyone watching and listening, it's
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. But baseball players, like all of us,
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Speaker 1: measure themselves in a relative sense to their peers, and
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Speaker 1: two million dollars for a Lance lin or Kyle Gibson
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Speaker 1: is not representative in their minds. I'm sure of who
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Speaker 1: they are. So that is the issue. And yes, it's
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Speaker 1: injuries occur. You may see teams get a little more antsy,
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Speaker 1: and you might teams that have been holding back payroll
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Speaker 1: finally say at some point, you know what, we need
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Speaker 1: someone else. And I would put Milwaukee in that regard.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps they need someone else. Maybe at some point they'll
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Speaker 1: figure that out and get a starter or reliever better
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Speaker 1: yet both.
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Speaker 3: Ken Usually on this show, we're all business and then
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Speaker 3: AJ makes fun of you. So I want to ask
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Speaker 3: a nice, fun Friday question. Okay, what state is your
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Speaker 3: favorite state to go to spring training? Is it Arizona
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Speaker 3: or is it Florida?
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Speaker 1: If you ask any writer this question, I believe, other
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Speaker 1: than the ones who might reside in Florida, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: hear Arizona, and Arizona is preferable for us as writers
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Speaker 1: simply because of the proximity of the camps. It's a
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Speaker 1: much more compact area. It's essentially the Phoenix Greater metropolitan area,
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Speaker 1: the furthest drive from every one point to the other
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Speaker 1: is probably no more than an hour. We're in Florida,
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Speaker 1: You're going all over the state. Now, there are central,
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Speaker 1: or i should say, different areas of Florida where teams
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Speaker 1: are for the most part located down in Fort Myers.
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Speaker 1: There are the Red Sox, the Twins, the Rays are
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Speaker 1: not far away, the Braves are not far away. Going
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Speaker 1: a little bit further north, then you have the Ools
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Speaker 1: and Pirates in the Sarasota Bradenton area, and then a
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Speaker 1: few teams in Tampa, the Yankees, the Blue Jays, the Phillies,
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Speaker 1: the Tigers are not far away. And then the East
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Speaker 1: Coast you've got the Mets, You've got the Cardinals, the Marlins,
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Speaker 1: the Nationals, and I'm probably forgetting one or two. So
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Speaker 1: there are concentrated areas, yeah, but it's not as convenient
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Speaker 1: as Arizona is. So that's my preference. That's nothing against
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Speaker 1: the state of Florida per se, it's just against the
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Speaker 1: way the thing is set up, and it's just easier
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Speaker 1: middle of downtown Scottsdale, right off to the side, So
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Speaker 1: that's a really good one. I also love in terms
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Speaker 1: of just the facility and the beauty of the facility,
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Speaker 1: Salt River Fields, where the Rockies and Diamondbacks are. It's
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite places period to go. It's just
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Speaker 1: beautiful there. And then in Florida. Hmm, I don't know
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Speaker 1: which one I would say is my favorite. They're all
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Speaker 1: kind of similars have a nice place. I mean, they're
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Speaker 1: all nice and there's nothing wrong with any of them.
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Speaker 1: The Braves is beautiful, it's just kind of out of
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Speaker 1: the way. And the Phillies in clear Water and the
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Speaker 1: Yankees in Tampa, those are cool places to go.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry I interrupt in Red Sox.
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Speaker 2: You know, I like that they make a little Fenway
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Speaker 2: action out of it, you know, I just like the
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Speaker 2: replica where you're like, oh, I get the feel of
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Speaker 2: the big.
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Speaker 4: League park here, but cool, awesome. Well, there you go.
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Speaker 2: That was a nice, fun, easy segment there to finish. Ken,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for the time. Good to see
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Speaker 2: you as always, and we'll talk to you next week.
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Speaker 1: Sounds good, guys, Thanks.
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Speaker 2: Bet, MGM futures, Ellie de la Cruze stolen bases So
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Speaker 2: he had sixty seven last year, fifty three and a
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Speaker 4: I'm actually I'm actually a little caught up on this one.
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Speaker 2: It's my favorite player in baseball, but I'm like, is
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Speaker 2: there a chance that he cools it a little bit
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Speaker 2: on the bass paths? Is there a chance or is
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Speaker 2: he a daredevil and he's still young as hell and
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Speaker 2: he wants to steal eighty plus. Obviously this always gets
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Speaker 5: Yeah, why not?
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Speaker 3: Over under sixty sixty. I think he goes I think
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