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The Vikings Tailgate: Matt Jones & The Bears Future | CHI | Episode 30 · The Vikings Tailgate

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we got another great episode of the Tailgate
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  Speaker 1: this week. Die Hard Bears fan Matt Jones. You might
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  Speaker 1: This was an excellent episode. I hope you guys love it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's Tom dare. Hey, we gotta go here,
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  Speaker 2: we gotta go.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go, so Tim Week twelve Viking Fans Bears Week.
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  Speaker 1: I know we're coming off of disappointment, but it's time
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  Speaker 1: to get right right before the bye. And joining me
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  Speaker 1: to discuss whether that will be a possibility for our
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  Speaker 1: beloved Vikings is Diehard Bears fan Matt Jones. Matt, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining the show.
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  Speaker 2: Man, Hey, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I think everyone in our
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  Speaker 1: fan base is looking at this and probably everyone in
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  Speaker 1: your fan base is looking at this game as a
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  Speaker 1: no brainer, get right. This is a when the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: can get going into the by I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people that have checked the box. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's my pessimistic fan brain, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it is, but I have serious concerns going
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  Speaker 1: into this week despite the product that your favorite team
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  Speaker 1: has put the on the field all year with fields
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  Speaker 1: coming back last week and I know that was an
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  Speaker 1: epic collapse, but they did. They looked pretty good for
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  Speaker 1: a vast majority of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Look. I one thing that the Bears and Vikings have
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  Speaker 2: really always had in common is we both really know
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  Speaker 2: how to lose, Like they really know how to lose games.
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  Speaker 2: We should really win. It's unbelievable. It's really funny. I'm
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  Speaker 2: actually kind of a a reluctant Vikings fan as well,
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  Speaker 2: because my wife, she her dad, and brothers and brother
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  Speaker 2: are massive Vikings fans. Like her dad is the biggest
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  Speaker 2: Vikings fan, Like he wears Vikings putties and shirts to everything,
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  Speaker 2: Like at a funeral, he'll be in a Vikings sweather
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  Speaker 2: maybe a black Viking sweatsher, but it'll still say Vikings
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  Speaker 2: on it. So he's a massive Vikings fan. And he
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  Speaker 2: and I have watched games together, like he was there.
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  Speaker 2: We watched the double Doink Bear Bears game together, and
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  Speaker 2: then we watched the the other Viking Kicker collapse in
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs a couple of years ago, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, the Blairwash, the Blairwash disaster.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we text each other, you know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: I understand when the Vikings lose by a little because
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  Speaker 2: we do it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was. We're both coming off the heels
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  Speaker 1: of exactly what you just said, hurting because of losing
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  Speaker 1: a game we should not have lost. That's what we're both.
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  Speaker 1: We're both jumping off. But before I ask you anything else,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I could do an entire show on people
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  Speaker 1: I know who have worn Vikings memorabilia to important moments, graduations, weddings, funerals.
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  Speaker 1: I have family members that if they show up to
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  Speaker 1: a wedding not in Minnesota Vikings crocs, I almost have
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  Speaker 1: to ask them what's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, if you're a Raiders fan, sure, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Even a Patriots fan, Vikings colors could not be more loud.
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  Speaker 2: You could see a Vikings fan from fifty yards away.
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  Speaker 2: It's insane how loud. The colors are I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: got the Lakers here in LA. I'm actually a Lakers fan,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it's just is equally ugly. They're just
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're just not beautiful colors.
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  Speaker 1: It's really obnoxious. They are really, really, really obnoxious colors
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  Speaker 1: that people wear incredibly proudly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing we have in common is a long
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  Speaker 1: and you guys more so than us and I never
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  Speaker 1: get to say that to somebody, but a long, comical
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  Speaker 1: rotation of quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's insane.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy, this thing where Justin Fields was gonna be
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  Speaker 1: the answer and now he might not be the answer.
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  Speaker 1: And now I told you before the show, I think
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  Speaker 1: you might be one of the most interesting teams in
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  Speaker 1: the league. I know that might not make sense to
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  Speaker 1: some people, but to have the Panthers pick and your
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  Speaker 1: pick to potentially have the top two picks in a
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  Speaker 1: draft that has two really really good quarterbacks, well you
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  Speaker 1: also have a maybe guy on your roster. What a
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  Speaker 1: weird What a weird scenario. The Bears are in.
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  Speaker 2: Also, we have a ton of cap space. It's just
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  Speaker 2: a really I don't know, it looks like the coach
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  Speaker 2: might get fired I don't know, he might not like
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  Speaker 2: I like what Ryan Poles our gam is doing in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways, but he had to really start
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  Speaker 2: from nothing, like they really cleaned house, and I just
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  Speaker 2: feel that I don't know. This is a longer discussion
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  Speaker 2: of how often does a number one pick quarterback work out? Like,
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  Speaker 2: how often does that really work out? Pretty rarely?
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  Speaker 1: Not a ton? Yeah, it's shockingly not a ton.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it just I mean c J. Stroud number two,
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  Speaker 2: he looks pretty amazing. That That is as close as
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  Speaker 2: I can think of in quite a while where a
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  Speaker 2: number one really worked out. But then I think a
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  Speaker 2: number one like Miles Garrett, that's who I want as
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  Speaker 2: a Bears fan. I love Bears defenses, I love Bears
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  Speaker 2: d We just don't have any like monsters in the
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  Speaker 2: midway anymore. We just don't. It just doesn't feel like.
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  Speaker 1: It is that like a psychology thing? Is that? Because
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  Speaker 1: I know I have a lot of friends who are
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  Speaker 1: Bears fan and I have most of my Bears fan
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  Speaker 1: friends are more proud of the linebackers you guys have
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  Speaker 1: had than their own children.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's something about
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how old you are. But
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  Speaker 2: like the Bill Romanowski days, like when linebackers were scary people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when they really hurt each other. And the
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  Speaker 2: Bears just always had players like that for so long.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we do have some really great young
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  Speaker 2: defensive players. It's just we don't have like that superstar
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  Speaker 2: like we always have had like that, just you know,
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  Speaker 2: like when we had Khalil Mack was really fun, or
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  Speaker 2: Julius Peppers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to go from Brian Urlacker to Khalil Mack and
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  Speaker 1: it's almost this different position, but so rare in the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: like going from Brett farv Darreon Rodgers. You don't just
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  Speaker 1: see hall of fame player hand a position off to
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  Speaker 1: another hall of fame player within an organization very often.
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  Speaker 2: Well like the Vikings when you guys, when I knows
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  Speaker 2: Randall Cunningham and Chris Carter and Randy mosson that, like
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  Speaker 2: it was the coolest offense at that time, We've never
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  Speaker 2: had that ever. No, we've met like in a hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna say, you haven't, you haven't,
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  Speaker 1: probably haven't had And it's funny. Jim McMahon is the
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  Speaker 1: guy that everybody talks about but if you know true
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  Speaker 1: Bears fans and people really follow football, No, you know
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  Speaker 1: this is not a slight on Jim McMahon, but it was.
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  Speaker 1: I think you and I could have quarterbacked and tight
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  Speaker 1: end did that off like you almost could have punted
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  Speaker 1: every time. That's how comical that defense was. So it's
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  Speaker 1: it does have to be weird to be living in
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  Speaker 1: the era of modern NFL offense when defense has been
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  Speaker 1: a century long calling card for you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Jim mcmannon is he was like a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback who was like a linebacker. You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, is that a linebacker. I'm not thrilled
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  Speaker 2: about being a Bears fan. I have kids, and my
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  Speaker 2: son turned to me the other day, he's like, why
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  Speaker 2: are we Bears fans? You're so upset. It's like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, man, you could be whoever you want to be.
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  Speaker 2: You go be a any kind of fan you want.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm done dragging dragging people.
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  Speaker 1: Down, bringing your children into your misery.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I get so deep into it and I
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  Speaker 2: just get so upset.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will tell you though, I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: chance hear me out. Let me pitch you. Let me
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  Speaker 1: a Vikings fan pitch you on the Bears because of
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  Speaker 1: what you said, Because they have a ton of cap room,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who think the cap
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  Speaker 1: is going to go up right, and you have these
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  Speaker 1: top two picks, you have other picks throughout other rounds.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think the NFL isn't like the NBA. In
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  Speaker 1: the NBA, there are only a few cities players want
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  Speaker 1: to go to. There aren't guaranteed contracts. The salary cap
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  Speaker 1: has the luxury tax. They don't even have a salary
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  Speaker 1: cap in baseball. So the salary cap is the true.
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  Speaker 1: It is the true like just even or outer that's equalize.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. You want the look if I
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  Speaker 1: knowing this show is not a video show, if you
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  Speaker 1: would have seen the look on my eyes as I
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  Speaker 1: was searching for the word equalizer, I have never felt
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  Speaker 1: more like one of my cousins and Viking crocs at
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  Speaker 1: a wedding. Well, you know, cause it's even outer her.
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  Speaker 1: So the true even or outer her is the salary cap.
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  Speaker 1: And I think NFL teams, if done correctly, can not
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  Speaker 1: just turn themselves around in a couple of years, but
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  Speaker 1: can contend in a couple of years. So if you
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  Speaker 1: to your point, I'm also a big believer that the
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  Speaker 1: biggest differentiator now I'm rolling with words. The biggest differentiator
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  Speaker 1: in the league is getting a superstar on a rookie contract.
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  Speaker 1: Like had the Cowboys not drafted Micah Parsons, we wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: even be They would be a disaster over there. They
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  Speaker 1: have one of the best defensive players in the league
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  Speaker 1: for multiple years on a rookie deal. If you guys
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  Speaker 1: go and you get a Miles Garrett with one of
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  Speaker 1: the top couple picks, a guy of that level, and
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  Speaker 1: you get an offensive stud even a quarterback, and then
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  Speaker 1: you have a good quarterback on a rookie deal and
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  Speaker 1: a stud defender and all this cap room. That's the
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  Speaker 1: cool thing about the NFL. You might be two years away.
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  Speaker 1: And I also am a fan of Ryan Poles, and
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  Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, I'm just not out on
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  Speaker 1: the future of the Bears like everybody else seems to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that when I think of the
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  Speaker 2: happiest times as a Bears fan, for me, it's when
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  Speaker 2: we had a culture and we had you know, you're
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  Speaker 2: just like love you as our coach. I love, lovey
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  Speaker 2: love you as our coach and then we've just been
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  Speaker 2: searching for a coach since then. It just every two
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  Speaker 2: to three years we get a new coach. And I
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  Speaker 2: just want a coach to stick more than the players,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, look at Belichick, look at Mike Tomlin,
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  Speaker 2: you look at all these guys. You know, if we
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  Speaker 2: had a coach, even like a Jim Harbaugh for fifteen
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  Speaker 2: twenty years, that it just takes care of so much
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  Speaker 2: other things because that's what your team is. Your team
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  Speaker 2: is that thing now, and now we need players to
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  Speaker 2: be a part of that thing. And it feels like
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  Speaker 2: we've been drafting players to figure out what the team is.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, no, these are twenty two year olds.
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  Speaker 2: Let's you know what I mean? These are also do
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  Speaker 2: you ever think about how much we're churing on children.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just so obsessed with this one year old.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing it's been because you and I think are
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  Speaker 1: about the same age, and it is a hard transition. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to move into NFL retirement age. Yeah, Like I'm right
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  Speaker 1: in that, have my press conference age. Yeah, And that's
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  Speaker 1: that's hard because now you're like, come on, twenty four
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  Speaker 1: year old don't ruin my day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. My son's like, oh, how long ago to
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  Speaker 2: Gronk retire? I was like a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, is he older than you? I was like, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: he's much younger than me. Gronk is younger than me.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But I just want us to get a coach and
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  Speaker 2: a GM that works together well, and then we build
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  Speaker 2: players from there. I think that is if you're really
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  Speaker 2: rebuilding over the long haul. You know, like any quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: you can get the greatest quarterback in the world, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can tear a his acl and then
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  Speaker 2: that's the end, and then you have nothing. So then
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  Speaker 2: you need a coach and a culture.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Tomlin effect. It's the patriot It's like, I
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  Speaker 1: know the Patriots are struggling right now, but it's the
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  Speaker 1: old niners. Put the put the big machine in place, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then let the big machine take care of all
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  Speaker 1: the tasks.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I was I was dating this woman when I was younger,
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  Speaker 1: and I was talking about she's great, great person, but
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  Speaker 1: it just I was talking to my mom and I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think I just don't think it's working out.
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  Speaker 1: I go, there's a lot of comfort there. It's really nice,
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  Speaker 1: it's really easy, but I go, but I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: the spark. And I remember my mom basically going, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're a really stupid person. Comfort. Comfort is everything. And
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  Speaker 1: I think about that when you said the Lovey Smith thing,
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  Speaker 1: that's a sports thing that happens all the time where
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  Speaker 1: you're always looking for like that big flash and spark
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  Speaker 1: and and like with Lovey Smith, Lovey Smith provided something
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  Speaker 1: like you said that you guys haven't had since and
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  Speaker 1: you've kind of been on that. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: many it's been, but it feels like every couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are like, what if we got a new
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  Speaker 1: GM and coach? Yeah, every couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: It's so silly. And also, like you guys, I really
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  Speaker 2: like your coach, you know, I think she's I think
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  Speaker 2: she is the young thing of what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Like some people, you're like, oh, man, you're such a
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  Speaker 2: great offensive coordinator, and then you make him a head
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  Speaker 2: coach and the team inplodes. You're like, just keep him
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  Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator. That's what he's good at.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I'm pitching right now, cause I
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  Speaker 1: love I love where your brain's going, Matt, and let
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  Speaker 1: me pitch you an even dumber idea. I this Brian
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  Speaker 1: Flores thing in Minnesota right now.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know, it's interesting, it's it's.
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  Speaker 1: Bananas, yea, to have him having blitzweights that are historic
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  Speaker 1: and doing it with guy no one has ever heard of.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they gave up that late touchdown against the Broncos,
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  Speaker 1: but that was outrageous. That they're doing that without their
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  Speaker 1: leading tackler, you know, without their biggest free agency and
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  Speaker 1: it's bananas. I think, give him whatever he wants money
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  Speaker 1: and let's be the first NFL team to have co
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  Speaker 1: head coaches. Oh, let's very very dumb. No one's gonna
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  Speaker 1: get on board with it.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a pretty stupid idea, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a stupid idea. But all I can think
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  Speaker 1: about is, I'm like, so, Brian Flores is doing this
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  Speaker 1: with this group of dudes, right, So if he can
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  Speaker 1: do that with that, what happens with some investment, what
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  Speaker 1: happens with some time being allowed to really develop some
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  Speaker 1: of the young talent. I mean, he's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: head coach.
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  Speaker 2: He interviewed for the Bears when Eberflus is hired, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why I would have rather. I think
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  Speaker 2: all of us would have rather.
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  Speaker 1: An I say, give him whatever money he wants, let
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  Speaker 1: him work together as some weird duo coach like dual
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  Speaker 1: coach system, and I don't want to lose him. That's
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  Speaker 1: there's something about when you cause you're it's we have
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  Speaker 1: the opposite. You've had defenses forever. We did have one
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  Speaker 1: with with Mike Zimmer, but we our defenses come around
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  Speaker 1: like solar eclipse right right, So it feels pretty nice
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  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm willing to do something really stupid to
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  Speaker 1: keep him around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah. Also we have so much like
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  Speaker 2: Tyson Pagent m hmm. I think has not gotten his
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  Speaker 2: fair shake of like going too and two and I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to hear anything about him being a Division
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  Speaker 2: two quarterback for any rookie quarterback, Going too and two
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the season is really good. And
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  Speaker 2: he almost won another one of those games, and if
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  Speaker 2: he would have, I don't know, had time with the
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  Speaker 2: ones in the offseason everything. I think he could be
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  Speaker 2: a serviceable quarterback for another team. He probably will at
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  Speaker 2: some point, but we have a great backup for the
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  Speaker 2: next three years on a rookie deal. Who's going or
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  Speaker 2: maybe he only I know he's undrafted. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what his deal is. But yeah, but regardless, we found
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  Speaker 2: a really good backup quarterback. But yes, there's no reason
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  Speaker 2: he couldn't be a Kirk Cousins at some point. Kirk
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  Speaker 2: Cousins was not great his first couple of years in Washington.
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  Speaker 2: He was, you know, a rookie quarterback. I just there's
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  Speaker 2: so much pressure on rookie quarterbacks. It's just it's.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous, especially in today's NFL, where it's get him in,
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  Speaker 1: get him playing right away. I couldn't agree more. My
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  Speaker 1: dad and I were watching him, and situation has so
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  Speaker 1: much influence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Over, I mean, there are some guys like you look
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  Speaker 1: at CJ. Stroud, you mentioned him, and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: this dude's a game breaker now, now I he that's
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite coaches in the league down there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He's a great linebacker two man.
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  Speaker 1: He was, and such a good defensive coordinator. Yeah he was.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very happy with Kevin O'Connell. When we first started looking,
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  Speaker 1: Demico Ryans was top of my list. Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 1: think CJ. Stroud is special, and I think he's special
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  Speaker 1: in almost any environment he's put into. But so many
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  Speaker 1: of these guys, You're a product of your situation, your opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: your surroundings, and for you guys to be you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: going into the season, I think there are a lot
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: of people that thought, well, the Bears are going to
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: be the worst team in the NFL. That was a possibility.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So you take this guy who walked into that like
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the season with no time in
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the office. I was flabbergasted that you guys went to Yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I'll sound like a rambling idiot, but I feel the
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: exact same way. Give that dude all the credit in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the world for what he did.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I will say, as a prognosticator of you know, Bear's lower, uh,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: we will do the most bearst thing ever. I guarantee
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: in the next six games, will probably win four of them.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: When it doesn't matter it's just you know, lower our
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: draft pick. We're gonna win probably four games. We might
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: beat you guys next week, Like it's that kind of
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: trap game. You should you should win, Vikings should win.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: But if you go to any Vikings or Bears history,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: that it's it's a coin toss. He really is. Our
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: defense is starting to look really good because they're healthy,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and our offense is you know, it's a it's a
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: coin toss. You never know, you really never know.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's just I've we've played the Bears enough
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in my life for me to not have any hopes
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: about any and unfortunately we've already handled the soldier soldier
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: field situation where we walk in there and with a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: good team and go, oh, I guess we're gonna lose
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to this three win squad. But I yeah, I it
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me at all if you guys went on
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a run, but it would devastate me as a Bears fan.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: There has it ever? Has it ever happened where a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: team has had the first and second pick, you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: without trading and creating. I mean, that can't have been
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a thing before, and that that would be so to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: deal with a shit season.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like the Texan it was like the Texans
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: or the Cardinals did it a couple of years ago
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: where they had.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: The Texans had the Texans last season grabbed Yep, they
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: went up and got a couple of them. But I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: don't know that anybody's ever had one too. I mean,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that would be you go, oh, my football team, at
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: least in their opinion, gets the two best football players
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in the entire draft. That would be something to get
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: really excited about.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I think if we got if
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: we had let's say number one and number five, which
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: probably is what it's going to be, I would I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: would trade the first pick. We got so much out
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of our first pick this year we got we got
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: DJ Moore out of it. It was, you know, yep, superstar.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I would trade the first pick. I would take Drake
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: May at five, and then uh, you know, and then
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: whatever pick we got, we'd probably get somewhere around it
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: between a ten and fifteen pick and get a great
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: someone great for defense. This Marvin Harrison, this Marvin Harrison
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: talk is we've not It's just I don't think. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: don't we don't need a wide receiver. We don't. We
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: don't need it as bad as we need everything else.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and with the way the with the way the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: NFL seems to be evolving wide receiver, what a I'm
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: such an idiot. I don't know anything about anything, but
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: it seems that the guys that you really struggle to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: find the offensive and defensive lineman if you have a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: chance at the best one of those dudes. For me,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I'm always taking the best one of those and I'm
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: hoping that I can snag an aman Ro Saint Brown
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: in the fourth round. Yeah, that's always my hope.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get you. There's always great wide receivers
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: in the second and third round.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I just can we take one moment and just as
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a duo, just even though they won on Sunday, can
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: we both just revel in the destruction that is the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Packer fan base's emotions right now? Isn't it sweet?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: It's that's that's my point. I have a a friend
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: of mine, I'm Sam Richardson. He's an actor, ye Tim Robinson.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: They're huge Detroit Lions fans, and I have Vikings fans.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Detroit Lions fans all of us kill. All we can
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: agree is just we all root for each other at
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: this point. I don't know if we're all just been
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: so hurt over the last twenty years, but we generally
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: root for each other's teams. I won't last night, it
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't that mad. We lost to the Lions. I mean
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: in spectacular fashion, of course, but you know I'm rooting
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: for the Lions. I like Dan Campbell. It's literally anyone
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: but the Packers, like anyone. I just hate the Packers
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: so much. I was at the game when it was
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: negative ten below. It was negative ten. We all we
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: have to do is win the game and we're in
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the playoffs and it's us versus the Packers, and Aaron
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Rodgers went the length of the field I think, converted
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: three fourth down three fourth down conversions in a row,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and then over the top to Ranal Cobb to win
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the game, and we and it was snowing and to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: walk out of Soldier Field in silence. Everyone was No
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: one was mad or angry. It was just quiet, quiet
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: hatred for the Packers. Everybody was just like I hate
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: them so much. How why do they get to do
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that over and over again? Why do they get to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: do that? And it's not just Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre too, like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: it's just it was so long, it was so long.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I hate them, like no, Now, Jordan Love might end
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: up being a perennial Pro Bowl player, Like we never
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: know how guys are gonna turn out. But right now,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I think the expectations that a lot of Packers fans had, like, well,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: we'll just send Aaron off and then we'll plug Jordan
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in and then we're just gonna keep this. We're gonna
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: keep this Green and Gold train cruising.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And the arrogance, the arrogance of Packers fans that they
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that they didn't even realize they had. How do you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: not know Aaron Rodgers however you want to feel about it, whatever,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: He's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. He
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: just yes, And they had they just they just threw
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: them away like they weren't even upsetting was leaving what
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It is wild to.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Me the ego, the ego that existed there to be like,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: we're done with you. Where in our fan basis, if
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: somebody was that good would be like, do you want
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to come to my house and slap my dad in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the face, Because I'm fine with that. You can do
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: whatever you want.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: If we had an Aaron, If we had an Aaron,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers right now came to the Bears, he
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: could start his own religion in Chicago. People would worship unbelievable,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, they would love him even now now
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: after all the Packers stuff, they don't care. We want
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a quarterback so bad.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: A Hall of Fame quarterback towards the end of their
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: run is a lot like that uncle that you have
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that comes with It's Thanksgiving week. So it's a lot
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like that uncle you have that comes to Thanksgiving and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you really don't like anything he has to say. But
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but you know, you're, like, man, he did build that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: whole business, and he's already retired, and I'm just gonna
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: have to I'm just gonna have to shut up and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: respect it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: That far Vikings run was really fun. That was fun.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I know everybody talked about it a lot. But the sweet,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: amazing feeling that would have existed had we pulled off
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, Yeah, I don't even know how to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how to put it into words,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: because you'd have won it with their guy the same
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: amount with their guy, and that would have been because
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: what all Packers fans do is they like to lean
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: on their history, you know, as though they've been touched
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: by the football heavens uh. And it would have been
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: really nice to take a piece of their history and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: be like us two. And it only in one year
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: US two. So that was but it was fun all
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the way through. It was. It was really really fun too.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not generally a big trash talker,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: but the amount I ran my mouth at Packer fans
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that season is nearly criminal.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I was watching this Sports Center the other day and
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: like they showed some Jordan Love clip and it like
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: he threw some you know, across the middle twenty yard
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: pass and guy caught it, and the announcer goes, land
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Love will find a Way, and I was like, oh, man,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I hate the Packers. I hate them.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Also, I love a guy who put something in his
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: notebook three months ago he finally got to use it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: He's just in front of his mirror.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: He's so so happy when they got rid of Rogers,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: just so he could say that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I've been sitting on this level find a Way for
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: two and a half years. You just find out how
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: uncreative all these play by play guys are. Well, I uh,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't like playing against a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: guy like Justin Fields because he's throughout the entirety of
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: his existence, He's a guy who one week he'd be like, well,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: obviously we're gonna beat that quarterback, and the next week
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he just does enough to terrify you, like if you
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: watched I actually watched three quarters of that Lions Bears
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: game and then turned it off and thought, oh man,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: we just got some serious help wrong. But throughout it
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Fields was doing just enough to like break your spirit
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: if you were the other team fan. And so that's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: what worries me is if you let Justin Fields hang
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: around with his legs and his scrappiness, he can do much,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: just enough to break your soul, and the vikings are
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know that Justin Jefferson will be back and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: they're you know, they're banged up and they're trying to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: put it together. You know, I would like us. I'd
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like a nice pick six to start, or some sort
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of disaster. If you could ship us some early I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: think it would make both of us happy. You're trying
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to get picks, I'm trying to get a win. If
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: we could get an early game disaster, that would be
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: That would lower my blood pressure a little bit.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: You guys are pretty banged up on defense, but we
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: are also a pretty inept football team most of the time,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, man, I'm gonna probably drink through
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the game like I do most At this point, every
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: game feels like we're watching tape for scouting, like that's it,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Just like, oh, yeah, who do we want to keep?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Like that's It's the whole reason for football games is
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: who do we want to keep for next year?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Ten weeks of evaluation?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So hard to watch. But I think Josh Dobbs is
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a really fun story.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I mean sometimes when someone goes to so many teams
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: in so short a time, you're like, there is a
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: reason for that, But also, you lost your quarterback, so
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: what else are you supposed to do?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: It's crazy fun and it's I'm really curious.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: People were really high on him, and then a couple
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: turnovers last night and some people were down on him.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I am just waiting to get to the by, to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: get Justin Jefferson back, and then let's really see it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Because dumb fans like us going like, oh, you're like
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: this dude, I realize that he's really really bright and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: he can learn at a fast rate. There's no way
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: he understands all the complexities of this offense. There's no
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: way the playbook is fully opened. Up to take all
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the shots they want to take. So I'm looking forward
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: to seeing who Josh Dobbs really is us starting after
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the buye. Right now, I just think it's the most
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: fun thing in the world, and we'll see where it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: goes from there.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: So there's a thing last night of or yesterday, Justin
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Fields threw a bomb to DJ Moore in the end
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: zone and it was beautiful throw, great play. The only
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: reason they can do that is because they've worked together
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a ton. He knows exactly how fast djmore runs. They've
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: timed this route out over and over again. He did
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: a similar route in that game. We would have won
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the game had Tyler Scott caught the ball. But also
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the same thing, and Tyler Scott after the game was like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't run through the whole route. It's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: my fault. The ball was in the perfect place. I
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: hesitated just a second and then I couldn't get there
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: in time. So they work on this timing, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And to have a quarterback just come in, you can't
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: just make that stuff up. It takes away the deep ball,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: does all these things like the insanely hard job of
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: a quarterback, which I think is the hardest position in
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: all of sports. Someone like Josh Obbs or Tyson Pagent.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: It just the fact that they don't just sit down
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and cry is amazing, you know what I mean, Like
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: they don't like it's not Christian Ponder, you know what
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like, you know, it's it's not Rex Grossman.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: It's not people that had time in the offseason and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: then still still came in and you know, bummed it up.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I just think Josh Josh Dobbs is super super fun
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to watch.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I dude, I couldn't agree more. I'm gonna make
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you We're gonna close it on this. Everybody hates it,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna love it, but I we've got to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: do a score prediction. So I'm gonna make you give
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a score prediction for the game for this Sunday, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: then we'll let you get out of here. Man.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna say it's gonna be one. That's twelve,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Vikings twenty seven, Bears twenty.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I think I think the defenses are gonna come to play.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Bears thirteen, Vikings one hundred and thirty eight.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with one hundred and thirty. It seems
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: like a reasonable prediction.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: It man, Hey, no problem.
• 32:50
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• 32:54
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