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Jaguars Reporters: Monday, May 24 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: I did classes eight hours a day for one week,
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Speaker 1: so I can't even order from fist, you know. And
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Speaker 1: then when I left, you know, I was telling the
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Speaker 1: taxis where to go and do all that stuff in
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Speaker 1: one week. Yeah. Welcome to Jaguars Reporters, presented by t
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Speaker 1: I A A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Oshan, Ashlyn Sullivan,
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Speaker 1: and J. P. Shadrack. Jaguars Reporters pretended by t I
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Speaker 1: A A Bank starts right down. Welcome to the the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Reporters and today is Monday, May twenty four. J P. Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan, John Osan, Brian Sexton. A busy time around
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Speaker 1: Jaguars football as we begin organized team activities. Ashland, here
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Speaker 1: we go. It's for real this time last week. Hold
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Speaker 1: for it's for real. I was told it's all semantics.
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Speaker 1: They just keep changing the names and the terms. It's um,
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Speaker 1: it's football practice in your underwear. Yeah. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's any different in them last week. It's just got
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Speaker 1: a different name. Well, it's different in the sense that
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Speaker 1: they can do a team working seven on seven. So
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Speaker 1: uh if The problem, of course is there's not much
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Speaker 1: that the media or US can report in terms of
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Speaker 1: some of the things that fans want to know. In terms,
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how the defense is gonna
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Speaker 1: look in terms of the personnel groupings. Uh. That's not
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Speaker 1: something that in less Urban Meyer discusses it that will
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Speaker 1: get out in great detail until training camp. So uh,
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Speaker 1: but there will be some seven and seven and uh.
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Speaker 1: And I went on one work which we didn't have
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Speaker 1: last week. Here's a valid question, will they wear shoes
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Speaker 1: or sandals? There were two or three teams last week
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Speaker 1: that were sandals the practice field because they wanted to
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Speaker 1: control the speed of the practice sessions, which I had
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Speaker 1: never heard of before. That's a way to do it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be the Urban way. That
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Speaker 1: will not be the Jaguar owning the emblem. No, that's
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Speaker 1: not how it's gonna work here. But what it shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be kind about. Look, it's okay to run a little
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Speaker 1: bit in the off season. I just don't believe that
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Speaker 1: these players come You guys have been before. You've been
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Speaker 1: to off seasons before. Do you really believe that the
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Speaker 1: players are being that taxed during that for a week period? No?
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Speaker 1: I mean, and now you have heard reports and now
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Speaker 1: people talking about too much contact during that. UM, I
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Speaker 1: kind of get that there, did you know, if you're
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Speaker 1: doing one on one pass rush during that and no pads,
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Speaker 1: that's a little much. But to be running this time
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Speaker 1: of year, Um, Again, they're not going to training camp
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Speaker 1: for six weeks or for eight weeks like they used
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Speaker 1: to in the sixties. You've got to play football at
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Speaker 1: some point. It's okay to do it. I'm padded. In May,
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Speaker 1: are athletes found the table? John athletes run. That's what
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Speaker 1: athletes are used to do. So, but they don't run
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Speaker 1: in December, at least, that's what Tom Brady said. But
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Speaker 1: it is May, different guys. May. There is near perfect
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Speaker 1: attendance at least in Phase two last week in a
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Speaker 1: voluntary period. Only a couple of guys were missing last week.
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Speaker 1: And you know, as we were talked to a couple
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Speaker 1: of guys after what was that Wednesday's practice, and there
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Speaker 1: is an energy, there's a feeling out there that, you know,
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Speaker 1: what we want to be in this environment. And the
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Speaker 1: guys we talked to at least believed in urban believe
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Speaker 1: in the message, and that's why a lot of these
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Speaker 1: guys are here. It sounds like, yeah, you look at
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Speaker 1: all the leaders in the units and the groups like
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Speaker 1: the Shack Griffins who want to be here, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of these guys are new. But I think when
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Speaker 1: you look at the team as a whole, a lot
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Speaker 1: of times we say that you kind of have to
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Speaker 1: be here or else you've forgotten about, and it's very
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Speaker 1: it's frank, but the ben bartch Is of the world,
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Speaker 1: they be here. The vast majority of players, not in
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Speaker 1: this city alone, but in all NFL franchises are guys
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Speaker 1: who have to earn their roster spot. I mean the
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Speaker 1: vast majority. And we saw that with the last vote
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Speaker 1: in the c b A how those players came out
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Speaker 1: to vote in favor of getting the deal done. Because
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Speaker 1: they're the guys whose careers are three years or shorter,
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Speaker 1: who make just over the league minimum on average. There
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Speaker 1: are a lot of guys who want to be seen.
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Speaker 1: I don't discount the energy you got a guy like
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Speaker 1: Check Reckon that you're talking about, who wants to be
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Speaker 1: here and wants to help create the culture without a doubt.
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Speaker 1: But the vast majority of players or guys who need
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Speaker 1: to be here, not just want to be here. And
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Speaker 1: in the first year of a new regime. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like any you guys ever had a job. We
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Speaker 1: had a new boss. I was a Sadden. He started
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Speaker 1: showing up on time the next right, So there's a
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Speaker 1: little bit of that element to it. But on the
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Speaker 1: flip side of that, and on the serious football side,
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Speaker 1: I've been saying ever since this O T a U
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Speaker 1: voluntary controversy if you call it, that cropped up again
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Speaker 1: as if see and for teams that have new things,
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Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, new head coach, you know, it's very
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Speaker 1: important and I think you see higher attendance in Urban
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Speaker 1: Meyer's third year. Does you know, throw out a name
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Speaker 1: by Brandon Lender if he's down the roster at that point,
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Speaker 1: Is Brandon Lender here for full O T A S
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Speaker 1: in the third year of a coaching staff. Does he
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Speaker 1: even need to be? Is it even smart for him
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Speaker 1: to be? It's a different question. But in a new
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Speaker 1: situation with a new offense, if you're a wide receiver,
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Speaker 1: I think you want to be here and I think
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Speaker 1: it and I don't think it's forced. I think it's
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Speaker 1: just smart. You want to learn so you're ready in
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Speaker 1: training camp. This is Jaguars reporters check out the Official
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Speaker 1: Of course, this program every Monday, the Huddle Up Pot.
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Speaker 1: On Wednesdays he goes on podcast Drive Time Happy Hour
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Speaker 1: and give us that five star rating. Let's get into
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Speaker 1: big things this week. Brian Sexton kick us off. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna deal with the elephant in the room. Last night,
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Speaker 1: I was at a wine to hasting and someone wanted
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Speaker 1: to start talking about the Jaguars, and I immediately turned
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Speaker 1: the conversation to Trevor Lawrence and the quarterback and the franchise,
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Speaker 1: and I was shut down with tebow Mania. So they
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Speaker 1: signed him last week. And this is not about him
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Speaker 1: the tight end or any of that other than I
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Speaker 1: am still amazed. And I've lived in this town for
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years, so I saw him in high school
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Speaker 1: and at the University of Florida, and through the NFL
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Speaker 1: and into baseball and through his National Night Out. Is
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Speaker 1: that what that is that he does with the night
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Speaker 1: shine night Shine? Right? Okay, I've seen it all. I
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Speaker 1: mean I've seen it all, and I am still I
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Speaker 1: was amazed. Last night. Um at tebow Mania, he was
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Speaker 1: the number one jersey sale, one day last week. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's it is a collective statement on behalf of people
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Speaker 1: who love who he is and what he represents. Again,
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Speaker 1: forget the football for a moment that they responded so overwhelmingly,
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Speaker 1: And I understand why urban Meyer and his PR team
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Speaker 1: are soft selling it and trying to just keep it
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Speaker 1: under wraps because it can become all consuming. Um. But
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Speaker 1: there is a very vocal group of people who don't
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Speaker 1: want to hear about Trevor Lawrence. They want to hear
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Speaker 1: about Tim Tebow. Just gonna say it, it's crazy, And
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Speaker 1: I think that's the exact right way to handle it
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Speaker 1: in this building is he is just a teammate. He
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Speaker 1: is just a guy in the locker room trying to
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Speaker 1: make the team. He's no different than a Ben bart
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Speaker 1: And that's why you have to treat it, because if
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Speaker 1: you allow it to grow like it is outside this building,
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Speaker 1: that's not what they brought him in here to do.
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Speaker 1: So I completely agree with the way it's being handled,
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Speaker 1: and I think it should be that way. I think
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Speaker 1: that's why we might not hear from him for a while,
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Speaker 1: if at all, until you know, training camp rolls around
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Speaker 1: something like that that might be a storyline that's closer
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Speaker 1: to the season because you know, this way, you can
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Speaker 1: control that storyline at least internally. Right now, anything that's
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Speaker 1: out there publicly from the team on this is going
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Speaker 1: to get blown up times a thousand. John. Yeah. And
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Speaker 1: it's been a topic obviously for a couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: in the other zone, and I continue to say, this
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Speaker 1: is not a you know, and I get a lot
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Speaker 1: of naysayers today, this is a problem in the locker room. Um,
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Speaker 1: I think the delineation point there is pretty clear. He's
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Speaker 1: one of ninety right now. They're out of the ninety
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Speaker 1: guys down there, there are there are a ten to
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Speaker 1: fifteen who when we walk out in training camp, you'll
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Speaker 1: be able to say pretty securely they won't be on
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Speaker 1: the pretty quick. That's just the reality of the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean they won't be someday. It's just we've all
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Speaker 1: been to training camps where you pretty much know there's
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Speaker 1: thirteen guys you get cut who aren't a surprise. So
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Speaker 1: the ninety man roster for NFL players is not something
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Speaker 1: where they think, oh, this guy has to be a
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Speaker 1: quote baller to be here. You're trying to work your
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Speaker 1: way onto a team now you better be able to
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Speaker 1: contribute if you're on the fifty three. So to me,
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Speaker 1: there's no problem in the locker room. If he proves
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Speaker 1: he can contribute and he's open the team win, there
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Speaker 1: will be zero divisiveness over this. Now, if he can't
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Speaker 1: play and he's on the team, that's a different issue.
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Speaker 1: But I don't see that happening because for whatever, I've
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Speaker 1: been getting many many emails about well, he's friends with Tim,
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Speaker 1: so that's why he's here. Well, I'm sure when they
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Speaker 1: see each other, Hey, Tim, Hey, coach, how you doing good?
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Speaker 1: Do you really think he's keeping him if you can
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Speaker 1: out the team? I mean Urban, right is there? I
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Speaker 1: mean shake hands, Hey, Hey, we'll have a drink and
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Speaker 1: not talking about the hisman later, but we gotta go
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Speaker 1: win games. So I'm just making the point. I don't
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Speaker 1: think for a minute Urban Meyers doing this. Yes, because
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Speaker 1: he knows Tim Tebow, but he wouldn't be what he
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Speaker 1: knows about Tim Tebow tells him he can in some
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Speaker 1: capacity to help him win, or he wouldn't be doing it.
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Speaker 1: Last thought on that, and that is just that. The
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Speaker 1: more outrage from outside, whether it's on social media or ESPN,
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Speaker 1: who was at Marcus Spears or whoever a wallet agun
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Speaker 1: La name we haven't heard in forever. Former Bear and
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Speaker 1: Dolphin pass rusher was was pretty vocal about it. The
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Speaker 1: more outrage that's outside of this area, the more people
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Speaker 1: come to his defense. It's a self fulfilling media prophecy.
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Speaker 1: It's a story without an end. It keeps going and
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Speaker 1: going and going. So they're doing the smart thing. They're
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Speaker 1: just trying to keep it from becoming anything. At this point,
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Speaker 1: while he was out right, apparently he was. It was
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Speaker 1: my neighbor Bill outright. I you know, I'm not you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not a big social media guy.
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Speaker 1: But one of my sons showed it to me the
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Speaker 1: other day and he goes, Dad, who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: And I went, well, it used to be a pretty
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Speaker 1: good pass rusher, but it's been a long time, to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I was just proud that I
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Speaker 1: could still pronounce his name all these years later. The
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Speaker 1: guy lawns right, right, that's what it is. It just
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Speaker 1: like this. It could keep going. At some point you
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Speaker 1: have to cut it off, and that's what the jag
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Speaker 1: Wars have done, and we will cut this discussion off
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Speaker 1: here and move along in big things, Ashlan Sullivan, what
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Speaker 1: you got? Well, we mentioned that we spoke to Shack
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Speaker 1: Griffin and Levisca Hill and James Robinson last week, and
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Speaker 1: after speaking with Shack Griffin that was the first time
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Speaker 1: I got the chance to talk to him, and I
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Speaker 1: was blown away. I mean, everything you hear about this
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Speaker 1: guy is what a great leader he is. And I've
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Speaker 1: been using the word electric a lot lately, good adjective.
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Speaker 1: That man is electric, lots of energy on the field
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Speaker 1: and off of it. And I left thinking, we've kind
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Speaker 1: of forgotten about this guy, this splash free agency signing,
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Speaker 1: that's going to be a highly contributing piece to the
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Speaker 1: cornerback room, and we don't talk enough about him, right.
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Speaker 1: I found it interesting in our conversation that I never
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Speaker 1: really thought about this C. J. Henderson is most likely
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Speaker 1: the only starter returning to that lineup in the secondary
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Speaker 1: next year on paper right now? Right, well, who is
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Speaker 1: the leadership of that secondary? Who are guys you can
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Speaker 1: lean on that run the room, that get guys going, Well,
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Speaker 1: it's a guy like him, And he said he took
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Speaker 1: the entire defense out to a Brazilian steakhouse here in town.
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Speaker 1: Uh kind of eye Taco Tuesday every Tuesday with the
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Speaker 1: secondary guys in their families at his apartment right now
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Speaker 1: soon to be house. So okay, he's that's a good start.
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Speaker 1: He can play too, right, I mean you paid him
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Speaker 1: for three years, forty million, twenty four and a half
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Speaker 1: guaranteed he better be able to bring the heat on
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Speaker 1: the field. It sounds like you can. So I like
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Speaker 1: all of this. John. I think he's clearly later. That's
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Speaker 1: clearly why they signed him because they knew would be
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Speaker 1: a year of transition back there. I think CJ is
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Speaker 1: the only starter coming back, but I don't think he
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Speaker 1: has qualified himself on the field yet. To be a
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Speaker 1: leader in this league, you have to make plays to
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Speaker 1: be a leader, and I think Chicol Griffin is definitely
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Speaker 1: that guy. He fits that role. He comes from a
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Speaker 1: place where they're used to winning. Uh So all the
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Speaker 1: boxes are checked in terms of uh, him being what
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Speaker 1: you wanted. Signs lead into this as we're not talking
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Speaker 1: enough about Shaq Griffin or fixing that out. Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: was why it was my topic. You talk about the
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Speaker 1: leadership back there. He you know, they brought in his
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Speaker 1: buddy Rashion Jenkins from San Diego. And and you know
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Speaker 1: that wasn't by accident. I'm sure to have two guys
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Speaker 1: who know each other who have the same because I
13:20
Speaker 1: was impressed when we talked to Too Jenkins back when
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Speaker 1: they signed him that he was very similar in his
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Speaker 1: demeanor and approach to Griffin. So assuming that these two
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Speaker 1: guys can play off of one another, I think you
13:33
Speaker 1: step in with a much stronger secondary, both in the
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Speaker 1: classroom and on the field. Let's move along on big
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Speaker 1: things this week. I'll go next. And we we touched
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Speaker 1: on this in our first point just a moment ago.
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Speaker 1: But don't let the noise around the Jaguars distract you
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Speaker 1: from the fact that Trevor Lawrence is the most important story. John.
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Speaker 1: You've made this point before and over the last few weeks,
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Speaker 1: whenever things have come up whatever. Yeah, but Trevor Lawrence.
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Speaker 1: You know that's the answer to to pretty much everything. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of urban Meyer did this
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Speaker 1: out of the national media right now? Urban Meyer did that.
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Speaker 1: E t n s playing wide receiver. It's tebow time,
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Speaker 1: there's changes in the coaching staff. How's it going in Jacksonville? Bill?
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Speaker 1: The answer every time, how it's going is Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: is on the team. He still has to go put
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Speaker 1: in the work and earn the respect of his teammates
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Speaker 1: and coaches, which we all think he will. But when
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Speaker 1: he does, look out, Trevor Lawrence is on the football team.
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Speaker 1: That's the answer. That's how it's going. I want to
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Speaker 1: weigh in with this quick thought. He's the most important
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Speaker 1: story I think that has happened to this franchise, if
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Speaker 1: not one of the two or three most important, ever,
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Speaker 1: he's right near the very top. Yes, this is the
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Speaker 1: biggest story that's happened to the Jaguars. And I've been
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Speaker 1: here since the beginning. You have to John Um what
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Speaker 1: he means to this franchise is well, we could take
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Speaker 1: the whole podcast and that that plays to your point,
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Speaker 1: which is it's not just a big story. It's the
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Speaker 1: biggest story. And I think the reason that there's going
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Speaker 1: to not be a whole lot of discussion around him
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Speaker 1: is uh, within the Tebow framework. I get questions all
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Speaker 1: the time, well, this is taking away from what people
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Speaker 1: ought to be talking about, and that's Trevor Lawrence. Well,
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Speaker 1: who cares that people ought to be talking about? May
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Speaker 1: does that really matter, And I mean, urban Meyer is
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Speaker 1: not sitting down. They're going, Okay, what's the narrative going
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Speaker 1: to be on May Night? So that's what I need
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Speaker 1: to do because John's gonna have to answer thirteen questions
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Speaker 1: that I mean, But it gets that grain that when
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Speaker 1: people are talking about this is a debate because Tebow
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Speaker 1: is still polarizing. But the reason that we're not going
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Speaker 1: to talk about Trevor very much, maybe even in O
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Speaker 1: T A s maybe not in minicamp, maybe not until
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Speaker 1: you know, and perhaps even until we see preseason games.
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Speaker 1: We already assume what he is. We assume he's good.
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Speaker 1: There's not much mystery until he's good. The talking points
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Speaker 1: are going to be once we start seeing him on
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Speaker 1: the field, to comparing him to what we thought he
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Speaker 1: was going to be. Right now, we can talk about
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Speaker 1: the hair, which is beautiful, shrine by the way, um
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Speaker 1: and it until he throws a pass in a game,
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Speaker 1: there's not much narrative to go against what we already think.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think we're gonna talk about it a
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Speaker 1: whole lot. But isn't it wonderful he's there? And it's
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Speaker 1: we've also known about it since November December. We've known
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Speaker 1: for so long that this was happening. It's almost like
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Speaker 1: we prepared ourselves and when we see him, it's not
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Speaker 1: really a surprise. We had the nugget about the play
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Speaker 1: calling in the helm and you're like, okay, that's an
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Speaker 1: adjustment that was one day. Now what I got a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions from Ozen readers about why don't they
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Speaker 1: talk about Trevor more on ESPN. Law, I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: I don't work for ESPN, but that's you know, it
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Speaker 1: makes people angry. We don't hear about Trevor on ESPN.
16:49
Speaker 1: We hear more about Zach Wilson. Well, it's because people
16:53
Speaker 1: nationally don't know how Zach Wilson's gonna look. They don't
16:57
Speaker 1: know how you discuss mac jone more exactly right, because
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Speaker 1: you have no idea what he's really going to be.
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Speaker 1: The assumption nationally is that this kid is going to
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Speaker 1: be great from day one. I mean, now, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that's true, but that's sort of the assumption.
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Speaker 1: Is we enough to worry about that. That's good. So
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear very much about him until
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Speaker 1: probably training camp people start coming in and seeing how
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Speaker 1: he's actually doing. There has never been a player in
17:19
Speaker 1: Jaguars history about whom you could say that that everyone
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Speaker 1: just assumes he's ready to go. People don't even think
17:25
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor right. They didn't, And they worried about Tony
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Speaker 1: Boselli's knee and how long it would hold up early
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Speaker 1: in his career. This is the only guy who's ever
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Speaker 1: walked in the doors where people go, yeah, we know
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Speaker 1: what he is. Yep, he's gonna be the storm SMANI
17:41
Speaker 1: I love, Oh, what a great guy. And when he arrived,
17:44
Speaker 1: you're like, where did he come from? Our final big
17:48
Speaker 1: thing for this podcast today is John Well And and
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Speaker 1: people hear this and think, John, this isn't a big thing.
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Speaker 1: This is a small thing. And that's the whole point.
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Speaker 1: No one will talk about James Robbins an all offseason,
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Speaker 1: but he'll be a huge story in September. And I
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Speaker 1: started thinking about this when I was talking to him
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Speaker 1: on the field the other day, and he's just it.
18:10
Speaker 1: It was the first time I had met him because
18:11
Speaker 1: everything was virtual last year, and he's exactly what you
18:15
Speaker 1: thought he was quiet. Uh, did the interview fine? I
18:20
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to leave because it was an interview and
18:22
Speaker 1: it's not really his thing. Um, but I don't get
18:25
Speaker 1: very many questions about James Robinson. We don't talk about
18:27
Speaker 1: James Robinson a whole lot. And then when they drafted E.
18:30
Speaker 1: T N. Everybody thought, oh, you know, pushing him out
18:33
Speaker 1: the door, what whatever? All that was. Well, I think
18:37
Speaker 1: I think the role that e TN is gonna play
18:39
Speaker 1: shows you James Robinson's gonna matter, And to me, he's
18:43
Speaker 1: a fascinating story next year of how will he fit
18:46
Speaker 1: into this offense? How are they going to use him? Um,
18:50
Speaker 1: he's not really the explosive running back that E. T
18:54
Speaker 1: N and some guys are, but he's incredibly reliable. So
18:58
Speaker 1: I think for Urban and the coaches, it's going to
19:00
Speaker 1: be interesting as they see what he is and what
19:04
Speaker 1: they can get out of him, to see how he's used.
19:07
Speaker 1: Four point five yards per carry will always find a
19:10
Speaker 1: roster spot in a place on pretty much in the
19:13
Speaker 1: NFL team. And as you said, John, the way he
19:15
Speaker 1: plays too. I think his longest run was like thirty
19:18
Speaker 1: eight yards last year. He rarely lost yardage either. I mean,
19:22
Speaker 1: he's always fighting back to the primae, he's falling forward.
19:26
Speaker 1: But four and a half yards of carry will play.
19:29
Speaker 1: We'll keep in mind also that when he when he
19:32
Speaker 1: was on the field, he was the focus of the defense.
19:34
Speaker 1: They didn't worry about shutting down the check wards vaunted
19:37
Speaker 1: passing attack, right. I mean they knew, especially with all
19:40
Speaker 1: the fluctuation and changes at quarterback, they didn't worry about
19:45
Speaker 1: a tight end on this roster. They worried about James Robinson.
19:48
Speaker 1: And he still was a thousand yard rusher, still average
19:51
Speaker 1: four point five yards per carry. It was kind of
19:53
Speaker 1: like Maurice Jones drew in two thousand and eleven when
19:57
Speaker 1: he led the league in rushing with the worst passing
20:00
Speaker 1: attack in football. Then it happens it's the fifties with
20:02
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty niners. It doesn't happen often that
20:05
Speaker 1: a guy with everybody's focus on him can succeed like that.
20:09
Speaker 1: And James Robinson proved a ton last year. Just most
20:13
Speaker 1: people overlooked it because you're right, that's what makes you
20:17
Speaker 1: feel optimistic about him and this offensive line. If you're
20:20
Speaker 1: able to do that last year and now you have
20:21
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence behind and it just makes you think, what
20:25
Speaker 1: can James Robinson do this year? Now? With not all
20:27
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Speaker 1: for did you hear this? Senior writer John Osan visiting
20:52
Speaker 1: with Marvin Jones on the ozone podcast in Spaniel, give
20:57
Speaker 1: me a short impression of Jack's theyll but do it
21:01
Speaker 1: in Espanol and okay, um Jacksonville, Uh, Jacksonville as won
21:09
Speaker 1: I see see without they um um ad in Miami um,
21:17
Speaker 1: and it's uh definit definit um soon you know, Muya
21:24
Speaker 1: Midley um lambien. So I'm gonna give you a hint.
21:32
Speaker 1: My four years of high school Spanish did nothing for me.
21:37
Speaker 1: And that's not just because it was thirty years ago.
21:40
Speaker 1: But tell me about that. You obviously didn't grow up
21:43
Speaker 1: speaking Spanish. This is something that you have learned over time.
21:48
Speaker 1: Why the passion um I had I was about to
21:51
Speaker 1: start speaking the Spanish. Okay, the death of the passion
21:55
Speaker 1: um well I grew up or you know, I grew
21:57
Speaker 1: up in the l A area, you know, so I
21:59
Speaker 1: grew up around like Latinos, but UM, I think it
22:01
Speaker 1: was UM. I went to Costa Rica with with my
22:05
Speaker 1: wife and her family, and UM, I was, you know,
22:07
Speaker 1: trying to communicate with the people, and I like, I
22:09
Speaker 1: like to talk. I like I'm a social you know,
22:11
Speaker 1: I like I like the socialize and stuff like that.
22:14
Speaker 1: And um, you know when I was over there, I
22:17
Speaker 1: couldn't talk to I couldn't speak to anybody. I couldn't
22:19
Speaker 1: really understand. I thought I knew a little bit, but um,
22:21
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand them. So I was like, Jasmine, I
22:25
Speaker 1: got it. I woke up in the middle of the night,
22:26
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta go to Spain, you know,
22:28
Speaker 1: just because I thought, you know, I didn't I thought
22:29
Speaker 1: that everybody spoke the same Spanish. But you know, when
22:32
Speaker 1: I went there, they speak something called, uh, you know,
22:35
Speaker 1: a Spanish called caste Jans, so they it's a little
22:38
Speaker 1: bit different, um accent and stuff like that, but I
22:42
Speaker 1: mean Spanish and Spanish, you know. So I went over there.
22:44
Speaker 1: Um I did uh. I did classes eight hours a
22:48
Speaker 1: day for one week. So I was over there alone
22:50
Speaker 1: for one week. When I first went there, I couldn't
22:52
Speaker 1: even order some fish, you know. And then when I left,
22:55
Speaker 1: you know, I was telling the taxis where to go
22:58
Speaker 1: and do all that stuff. So one week. So yeah,
23:01
Speaker 1: so because I put in, I putting a lot of hours,
23:03
Speaker 1: you know. So when I got back, it was two
23:05
Speaker 1: thousands seventeen. And during that whole season, I took classes. Um.
23:10
Speaker 1: I took classes online and I hired two Spanish teachers, UM.
23:13
Speaker 1: And I took classes Monday through Friday. So um, I
23:16
Speaker 1: did that for the whole season. And then after I
23:18
Speaker 1: didn't take classes anymore. I just I just traveled, you know,
23:21
Speaker 1: I met people and and and talked and talked with
23:24
Speaker 1: the you know, with the with the locals and stuff
23:26
Speaker 1: like that. So that's kind of all I do. All
23:28
Speaker 1: I do now. Of course, this is just part of
23:31
Speaker 1: a nice conversation on the ozone podcast John With with
23:34
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones. And I think you could talk to him,
23:37
Speaker 1: you know, for multiple podcast or one really long one
23:40
Speaker 1: and and not get to the end of his story.
23:42
Speaker 1: He's he's a multi layered and and you know, very
23:45
Speaker 1: experienced person, not just a football player. Yeah, he's terrific
23:50
Speaker 1: I expect him to be terrific. Uh. I asked him
23:54
Speaker 1: to give an answer in Spanish and he was able to,
23:56
Speaker 1: and then he said he sort of got it. Was interesting,
23:59
Speaker 1: he said, he sort of got stuck in that and
24:00
Speaker 1: started to answer the next one in Spanish, just because
24:02
Speaker 1: that's the way his mind works when he does it.
24:05
Speaker 1: I can barely speak English, so to speak two languages
24:07
Speaker 1: is sort of beyond my thought. But he's a fascinating guy,
24:11
Speaker 1: and he's one that you hope for a lot of
24:14
Speaker 1: the media's sake, um and for the fans sake, it
24:17
Speaker 1: would it you're hoping this year that COVID breaks enough
24:25
Speaker 1: where the media can have access to the players for
24:28
Speaker 1: a couple of days on Wednesday and Thursday, And for
24:31
Speaker 1: fans who don't know how important that is to the
24:33
Speaker 1: story of the team, it's difficult when everything is virtual.
24:37
Speaker 1: There are interviews and people you can get to know
24:39
Speaker 1: virtually head coach, a couple of star players, but the
24:46
Speaker 1: it's difficult for the media to tell the story of
24:51
Speaker 1: a guy like Marvin Jones, who who's necessarily a quarterback
24:54
Speaker 1: unless they have on the virtual zoom. You don't get
24:56
Speaker 1: to know this guy. And there's a lot of stories
24:58
Speaker 1: in the locker room like that that you missed last
25:00
Speaker 1: year because you only put a couple of guys in
25:03
Speaker 1: the zooms a week just because of the of the
25:06
Speaker 1: logistics of the situation. So when I was talking to him,
25:09
Speaker 1: and after I talked to him, that was my first thought, Boy,
25:13
Speaker 1: at least for a couple of days a week, let
25:15
Speaker 1: us get back in and get to know some of
25:16
Speaker 1: these guys. And I just to play on that for
25:18
Speaker 1: a second. You can't get to know someone without being
25:21
Speaker 1: able to look him in the eye. And when when
25:23
Speaker 1: they're looking at a screen of lots of people, they're
25:27
Speaker 1: they're moving all over the place. It's that trust that
25:30
Speaker 1: builds in a relationship between a reporter and the player. Hey,
25:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question. If you tell me
25:36
Speaker 1: this is off the record, I don't you know. I'm
25:39
Speaker 1: gonna respect that. They know they can trust you when
25:42
Speaker 1: they can look you in the eye. Go Ashlyn, you
25:44
Speaker 1: know I trust you from what you said last time
25:47
Speaker 1: or what you wrote last time. It's important that those
25:49
Speaker 1: guys can answer questions based on the level of trust,
25:52
Speaker 1: and you just can't build that looking into someone's eyes
25:55
Speaker 1: on a screen. I also I think it's so cool
25:58
Speaker 1: to see the relationships in the locker room. And I
25:59
Speaker 1: think you find out so much about a player when
26:01
Speaker 1: you talk to his teammates and you talked to his
26:04
Speaker 1: the other wide receivers and the buddies on the team.
26:06
Speaker 1: That's almost my favorite thing of of going around and
26:08
Speaker 1: just asking hey, what do you think of Marvin Jones
26:10
Speaker 1: and getting the answers from the guys in the room.
26:12
Speaker 1: That's for sure something I miss. But circling back tomorrow
26:16
Speaker 1: and we talked about you know, um, a fantastic guy
26:20
Speaker 1: as fascinating a guy off the field as he is
26:23
Speaker 1: on the field. So it's gonna be cool. Check out
26:25
Speaker 1: the ozone podcast and the Official Jaguars podcast network. Time
26:29
Speaker 1: now for everyone asks And this is the portion of
26:33
Speaker 1: the podcast where yes, we all ask a question and
26:37
Speaker 1: yes most of us answer it. We're supposed to answer
26:40
Speaker 1: it in thirty seconds. Are we going back to that
26:41
Speaker 1: rule now? We should? Yes? That what's made it fun?
26:44
Speaker 1: Get the buzzer out, Joe John Uh, you will ask
26:48
Speaker 1: the first question, please, sir, what answer do you want
26:52
Speaker 1: to know? When O t A s end JP, what
26:54
Speaker 1: do you want to know about this time? I want
26:56
Speaker 1: to know where they need to do more work on
26:59
Speaker 1: the roster. You'll see who will be able to run
27:01
Speaker 1: in the next three weeks or four weeks. Who can
27:03
Speaker 1: retain the basic scheme. If you can't do that, you
27:08
Speaker 1: better find somebody else who can. I think tight ends
27:10
Speaker 1: the most pressing position because we just don't know a
27:13
Speaker 1: lot about that group yet. But you know defensive backs,
27:16
Speaker 1: linebackers can they It's a new scheme there too. I
27:20
Speaker 1: think that's the answer. I want to know, what else
27:22
Speaker 1: do you need to do in terms of building the roster. Yeah,
27:25
Speaker 1: it's back, it's pretty good thirty seconds right, Ask what
27:29
Speaker 1: are you wanting? I want to know who is going
27:31
Speaker 1: to prevail at defensive end. We all know Josh Allen,
27:34
Speaker 1: but I think we can look at Caleb and Chason
27:36
Speaker 1: and say there's some work to do there. There's some
27:38
Speaker 1: strides he needs to make. I'm excited to see Jahad
27:41
Speaker 1: Board on the field. That's a very intense guy. I
27:44
Speaker 1: think there's a bit of a competition there. You also
27:46
Speaker 1: have Ray Robertson, Harris, Jordan Smith, a lot of questions
27:49
Speaker 1: around him. I'm excited to see who was coming neck
27:52
Speaker 1: and neck with Josh Allen and taking that second role.
27:56
Speaker 1: I want to know when training camp opens, not seriously,
27:59
Speaker 1: I mean so many can the Jaguar stop they're run
28:02
Speaker 1: this year? Right? Have all those things, all those pieces
28:06
Speaker 1: that they put in place in scheme that they've worked on,
28:09
Speaker 1: have they come to any sort of fruition? But we
28:12
Speaker 1: won't know. So tell me when training camp opens and
28:15
Speaker 1: I'll be ready to go. Yeah. And I want to
28:17
Speaker 1: know a few things again, like I said the top
28:19
Speaker 1: of the show, that we won't be able to say
28:21
Speaker 1: as much as we like. I want to stort of
28:22
Speaker 1: know how this offense is gonna look. Some of the
28:24
Speaker 1: things you're gonna be doing. I think we'll be limited
28:26
Speaker 1: in what we can share with that. Uh sort of
28:29
Speaker 1: who's gonna play where upfront defensively is intriguing. But I
28:32
Speaker 1: think one thing we will get a feel for, does
28:35
Speaker 1: Tebow look like he can do it? You know, does
28:37
Speaker 1: he look like he can move at that position? I
28:40
Speaker 1: think you will be able to get a feel for
28:41
Speaker 1: that without pads, if he sort of has a feel
28:44
Speaker 1: for how to play tight end. We'll see our next question.
28:49
Speaker 1: I'll take the next one. If we cut the team today,
28:52
Speaker 1: which we won't, but if we did, who are the
28:55
Speaker 1: five or six receivers that you're keeping Ashland, This is
28:59
Speaker 1: hard the four no brainers, DJ Chart, Colin Johnson, Marvin Jones,
29:03
Speaker 1: Flabisco Chanel. Of course, if you go five, Philip Dorset,
29:09
Speaker 1: but you really haven't seen much of him. He's an
29:10
Speaker 1: explosive guy, Jamal Agnew and then you have Jalen Camp.
29:14
Speaker 1: That's a lot of options there. That's gonna be that's
29:17
Speaker 1: gonna be a fight even if you keep six. I
29:19
Speaker 1: think it's a fight. I would go with Philip Dorset
29:22
Speaker 1: right now, just because of the free agency signing and
29:24
Speaker 1: the emphasis on speed. But that's gonna be a good
29:27
Speaker 1: competition in training camp. I think door set, you know
29:31
Speaker 1: they paid him, he's gonna make it. Uh And Agnew's
29:34
Speaker 1: a guy that they want for special teams, so I
29:36
Speaker 1: think he's going to make it as well. I think
29:38
Speaker 1: you go six. So Jalen Camp practice, I mean he's
29:42
Speaker 1: total developmental right, coming from Georgia Tech where they play
29:45
Speaker 1: that you know that they run option game, So yeah,
29:48
Speaker 1: I would think he's a perfect candidate. Well you sort
29:51
Speaker 1: of play. I think sometimes we talk about roster positions,
29:57
Speaker 1: we get very caught in specifics and numbers. I think
30:02
Speaker 1: those seven guys we talked about will be around. Agnew
30:06
Speaker 1: will will be on the team. Do they consider him
30:10
Speaker 1: a wide receiver pure wide receiver or do they keep
30:12
Speaker 1: him as a returner and sort of justify that with
30:15
Speaker 1: having seven around that around that spot? Do you move
30:18
Speaker 1: camp up or down that sort of thing. So I
30:20
Speaker 1: think all seven of those guys will be around, whether
30:23
Speaker 1: they're on the final roster, and you know how they
30:25
Speaker 1: work the roster to be than you're up next. Alright,
30:34
Speaker 1: similar question, different position. How many tight ends are you
30:38
Speaker 1: keeping on the roster? Who makes it? Based off what
30:42
Speaker 1: we know right now? Brian um uh three three right
30:53
Speaker 1: and and and people want to know. I mean, so
30:57
Speaker 1: he's Teabo going to make it or not? And I
30:58
Speaker 1: think he does as a as an h back kind
31:01
Speaker 1: of guy. The one role I think you can really
31:03
Speaker 1: carve for him is short yardage. When he was with
31:06
Speaker 1: the Broncos and when he was in Florida, he was
31:09
Speaker 1: a guy who could find the line right, he could
31:11
Speaker 1: find the end line, uh, put two and fifty pounds
31:13
Speaker 1: into it and go. I mean I think, I mean,
31:16
Speaker 1: I think he could be a guy on third down
31:18
Speaker 1: to get your first down, and so yeah, I think he.
31:20
Speaker 1: I think he makes it his nts back all right,
31:24
Speaker 1: Man hurts Ferrell, uh O'Shaughnessy and Ellison and Tim doesn't
31:32
Speaker 1: make it. Well we're talking about Yeah, so I be
31:39
Speaker 1: a coin toss. I think I think it's gotta see
31:41
Speaker 1: if it will work. Uh so h back, yeah, yeah,
31:46
Speaker 1: four or five. Yeah, I'm at Ferrell. Man hurts no
31:50
Speaker 1: particular order here. O'Shaughnessy because he is the most experienced
31:53
Speaker 1: past catcher of the group, believe it or not. And
31:57
Speaker 1: then whoever stands out from the rest of the guys,
32:00
Speaker 1: and it may not be on the roster right now,
32:01
Speaker 1: and the practice squad is is so different than it
32:04
Speaker 1: used to be. You can keep guys who have been
32:06
Speaker 1: in the league for a while. Uh so you can
32:08
Speaker 1: play with that spot, and Ellefson would seem like a
32:11
Speaker 1: guy back and forth off the roster sort of thing
32:16
Speaker 1: could work, and then maybe they can make a move
32:18
Speaker 1: in camp too to go find a guy. Anybody mentioned
32:20
Speaker 1: Tyler Davis drop pick last year, but based a bunch
32:24
Speaker 1: of injuries last year, So yeah, that's a guy. I
32:26
Speaker 1: think Kim and Ellefson are kind of neck and neck there,
32:28
Speaker 1: even though Elpson got some playing time last year. We
32:30
Speaker 1: haven't done O t A number one yet. That's okay,
32:33
Speaker 1: that's the nature. We're just talking through it. Brian, bring up,
32:37
Speaker 1: so you know we're talking about O t a s
32:39
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about it for Wednesday, But how long
32:42
Speaker 1: will it take till we're board with it? Because as
32:44
Speaker 1: you mentioned, John, I mean, if the coach doesn't talk
32:47
Speaker 1: about it, it's not something we're going to report a
32:48
Speaker 1: lot on. And you can't really see what the line
32:52
Speaker 1: is gonna look. I mean you can see where people
32:53
Speaker 1: line up, but you can't really see what they're going
32:56
Speaker 1: to be able to do. O T s. Every year
32:58
Speaker 1: it's a football's back and then you go out there,
33:00
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I want to train a camp start.
33:03
Speaker 1: How long will it take you before you were over
33:05
Speaker 1: O T s? What time isn't Now? I knew you
33:08
Speaker 1: were gonna come first and strong with that one, John,
33:10
Speaker 1: Now and I joke about it, But first year O
33:15
Speaker 1: T a s are not are not tedious. A third
33:20
Speaker 1: and fourth year of a coach they can be very
33:21
Speaker 1: tedious because you already start. Nobody he's gonna say these
33:24
Speaker 1: won't be because I think Urban is gonna talk most weeks. Uh,
33:30
Speaker 1: hearing what he says about the team remains fascinating. And
33:33
Speaker 1: then for us watching and figuring out now the information
33:36
Speaker 1: we give out because of some of the things we
33:39
Speaker 1: can or can't say, maybe frustrating, but I think there
33:43
Speaker 1: will be things to learn about this much so I'm
33:46
Speaker 1: not sure I'll be bored. Oh my gosh. If you're
33:50
Speaker 1: not bored everyone else is fired up to be there,
33:52
Speaker 1: then absolutely for me, absence makes the heart grow fonder.
33:57
Speaker 1: We're only out there once a week. That's very nice,
33:59
Speaker 1: you say absence the hell that's another part of the
34:04
Speaker 1: equation too. There once a week, I mean not out
34:08
Speaker 1: there ten times, so you get limited time. You kind
34:13
Speaker 1: of want to see a little bit more, and you're
34:14
Speaker 1: not daily over and over against saying the same drill Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. Right.
34:20
Speaker 1: So it's just once a week, so not as long
34:23
Speaker 1: as before until we all get bored with it. But um,
34:27
Speaker 1: probably week three will get bored with it. It really
34:30
Speaker 1: missed him, buzzer. It's annoying, isn't it. It's a great touch.
34:36
Speaker 1: I'm a herb. You guys can call me a nerd, herd,
34:38
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call me. I love it out there.
34:39
Speaker 1: I think it's awesome, every minute of it. I'm there
34:41
Speaker 1: my advisor in my big water bottle of my notes,
34:43
Speaker 1: and it's just the greatest thing ever. The end, and
34:46
Speaker 1: to clarify it, I do, I do think it's cool.
34:50
Speaker 1: There's no question. The time that he gets tedious is
34:55
Speaker 1: when you're on a third year head coach and there's
34:58
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of new that they're saying. To
35:01
Speaker 1: figure out what they're doing, these four weeks will be fascinating,
35:05
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