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Fraud Friday: Bishop Gucci Con Man w/ Sam Sanders · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin Congregation? Is your girl? Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 1: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from
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  Speaker 1: behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, stay scheming scam, Come.
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  Speaker 2: Rob froll Scam, Come rob Froll, Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: What's popin Congregation? We're back with another installment of Scam
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  Speaker 1: Goddess with me Lacey Mosey aka Scam Goddess, and y'all,
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  Speaker 1: I am very what, yes, excited, truly elated. What a
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  Speaker 1: scam to get this icon on this show today. He's
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  Speaker 1: an award winning podcast host and journal list our first
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  Speaker 1: journalist on the show because of Tall Giant, No damn Journalist.
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  Speaker 1: He has two new culture podcasts, Into It on Vulture
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  Speaker 1: and Vibe. Check on Stitcher. Out Now a congregation, please
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  Speaker 1: welcome Sam Sanders to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Praise the Lord Saints.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Amen, Congregation, before your Father, God Father God,
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  Speaker 1: on this good day. We're coming for you, first of
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  Speaker 1: all to say things that's right, but also brother brother
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  Speaker 1: Sander's here yes is a real live, bonafide journalist.
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  Speaker 3: Well at my heart though, always a church kid, and
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  Speaker 3: I hear that we're talking church today, so my soul
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  Speaker 3: is ready.
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  Speaker 1: I am too. I was raised in the church. Were
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  Speaker 1: you raising a missionary Baptist?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? See, how was that crazy? Pentecostal apostolicsh Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Did you have to put some shoes in people's faces? Sometimes?
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  Speaker 3: We uh, no world in music, no dances, movies, no jewelry,
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  Speaker 3: no makeup. The women could not wear pants on long skirt.
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  Speaker 1: Now we couldn't do that either. We couldn't wear pants.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, it was like I had to beg
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  Speaker 3: to go to high school prom. Now my mom was like,
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  Speaker 3: why do you need that?
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  Speaker 1: What was the excuse of not being able to go
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  Speaker 1: to high school? Is like the sat is out their problem,
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  Speaker 1: not on people's souls.
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  Speaker 3: Basically dancing with that devil music, making babies all that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, some of it was devil music.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it sounded so good. It sounded so good.
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  Speaker 1: That's so true. I mean, Okay, so wait, we always
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  Speaker 1: ask people Sam like, what is it like your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with scams? Do you like them. Do you hate them?
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were born in one?
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in the church, so I grew up
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  Speaker 3: in a space that could easily be scammerific that word.
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  Speaker 3: But I had to find the portions of belief in
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  Speaker 3: religion and church that weren't scamming. And I was lucky.
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  Speaker 3: I think like my church was extreme, but like at
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  Speaker 3: its core it was good people doing good things. There's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of church folk that aren't in it for
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  Speaker 3: the right reasons. So that is I mean, church is
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  Speaker 3: a scam writ large.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the while part.
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  Speaker 3: Of church that wasn't too scammy. Thank the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you there because like people who enjoy
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  Speaker 1: church doesn't necessarily mean you're a scammer. But the institution
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  Speaker 1: of church can be very scammy, as can the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: because you can read the Bible and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's all about taking care of the others that you love,
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  Speaker 1: or it could be like, oh, there is a chapter
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  Speaker 1: in this sham we could say a lot of data
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  Speaker 1: form no, no, anybody you know be a good person
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  Speaker 1: or a bad person and get something from the Holy
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  Speaker 1: exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And I was blessed and lucky to have folks who
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  Speaker 3: were like in it for the right reasons, even if
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  Speaker 3: they were kind of caught out there. Like you think
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  Speaker 3: back on some of the rules we had to do,
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  Speaker 3: some of the rules just like who cares?
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  Speaker 1: Just somebody petty. That's what happens when you let everybody
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  Speaker 1: be involved in the pitching session, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: That's I feel like the Bible is that one dear
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  Speaker 1: like day a year that Jesus was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: no idea is a bad idea.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody, come on, everybody, Mary, what you got?
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  Speaker 1: Give us what the things we should be making people do? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because it's like I love the Bible as a
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  Speaker 3: piece of literature, but it is the most logically confused
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  Speaker 3: document ever created.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it's a Wikipedia where no one did the edit.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was just like, nah, I got my chapter.
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  Speaker 3: Then. My favorite fun fact is because we grew up
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  Speaker 3: with that strict King James version of the Bible. King
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  Speaker 3: James was fruity as he could be.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he loves mess, he loves it and just get
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  Speaker 1: a gay.
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  Speaker 3: So I love to think back on all of the
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  Speaker 3: lectures and sermons I got on sexuality from the King
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  Speaker 3: James version of the Bible, knowing good and well that
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  Speaker 3: man loves some d It's funny. It's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Anywh I mean, who's gonna leave behind our Bible? Somebody
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  Speaker 1: has to Like No, I just wanted to still be
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  Speaker 1: the Bible, but like just remix the live.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm down for that. Who would who would be
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  Speaker 3: in charge of writing it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is not okay, We're no stories exactly. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get there, change absolutely none of the stories in the
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  Speaker 1: Bible except update all the language to aav Listen.
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  Speaker 3: I want Tony Morrison to give us literally the Song
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  Speaker 3: of Solomon. I know she's gone, but bring her back
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  Speaker 3: for a Bible remix.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, y'all know him as Peter, but that's just his
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  Speaker 1: stage name. Y'all know that his name's Saul, right, boy, Pete.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I want.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that's his rapper name. Y'all even
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  Speaker 1: know that? Wow? Anyways, scal cold, guys, we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: what's hot and fraud. This is where we want our
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  Speaker 1: listeners about fraudsters in the streets or new scams that
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  Speaker 1: are popping and the zeitgeist. Or more often than that,
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  Speaker 1: we get a letter from you guys. So as always
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  Speaker 1: snitch on your friends and family at scam got uspot
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  Speaker 1: at gmail dot com just makes your scam is retired
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  Speaker 1: because we don't want to what yes, fuck up your bag? Hey,
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  Speaker 1: So today, Sam, I need a fake name, Okay, Houletta Lettah.
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  Speaker 1: Paula definitely makes a good mac and cheese. She gotta
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  Speaker 1: burn on one her elbow.
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  Speaker 3: Both. You gonna have both heats.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, she don't play, she don't play. Love that for her,
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  Speaker 1: So Paulatta says, Paulaa, you were really talking, honey. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to edit down a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Paula, Now get to the things. Scamming
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  Speaker 1: me out of a shower, so says hi scam goddess.
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  Speaker 1: A few months back, the guy that I was dating
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  Speaker 1: already a scam. Let's say George was living in a
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  Speaker 1: building owned by his brother Don, also a fake name. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I should have actually asked you that, huh first girl,
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  Speaker 1: So Paula says. They had a pretty serious fire. Luckily
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  Speaker 1: they and other folks in the building and no one
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  Speaker 1: was hurt. But it happened in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: night and in the middle of the winter. As the
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  Speaker 1: firefighters were fighting and doing their thing. All the residents
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  Speaker 1: were outside figuring out what they needed to do. Nowhere
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  Speaker 1: to go cold in pajamas or in boxers, stranded that
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  Speaker 1: sort of basically, you know, in a distressful situation. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get I'm trying to understand where the
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  Speaker 1: scam was here, because this just sounds very tragic what
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  Speaker 1: happened Pauletta. But I am.
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  Speaker 3: Although I will say whenever I hear tell of like
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  Speaker 3: an unexplained fire in the middle of the night, there's
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  Speaker 3: a good chance it's our sin. Let me not jump ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I just think this is us. I think every fire
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  Speaker 1: is this is the crockpot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear.
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  Speaker 1: That, you volunteer firefighter coming up and be like, where's
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  Speaker 1: the crock pie?
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  Speaker 3: Although you know has the issue with statement after episode
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  Speaker 3: being like, we actually don't do this. They're actually quite safe.
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  Speaker 3: Just so you know, I digress.
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  Speaker 1: Nah, nah, crock potsy y'all got sue uh those sue
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  Speaker 1: NBC sue Mandy Moore directly Sue act who played the
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  Speaker 1: dad white girl.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like she has the cookout invite. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like she cares. I don't know her at all.
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  Speaker 1: If I were all Crockpie, y'all gotta go against them negatively.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Get a air fire in a TV
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  Speaker 1: shows just exploding? Isn't that the isn't that the crock
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  Speaker 1: Punks rival? Or is the Suvi the crock Pot?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't be cooking. I don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: I make eggs anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, that'sual conversation. Makes me sound like i'd be cooking
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  Speaker 1: because I really just named so many brands, wow wowsers. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Ghostman's it's like, hey, sis, time you come home tonight,
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  Speaker 1: We'll be waiting. So these people are waiting outside. They're
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  Speaker 1: wrapped in their blankets and they're distressed, right, they don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to do. While they were standing outside, a
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  Speaker 1: car with two other guys rolled up. These guys were
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  Speaker 1: unaffiliated with the local fire department, but at the time
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  Speaker 1: seemed like they were just simply good Samaritans. They brought
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  Speaker 1: everyone warm clothes, blankets, food, water. I mean they saw
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  Speaker 1: the fire.
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  Speaker 3: I see fire. I don't go up with blankets see anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, you see fire, you see tragedy. They see fire,
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  Speaker 1: they see opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 1: So they handed out blankets and you know, arranging stuff
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. So while one guy was helping the other
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  Speaker 1: couple residents get their hotels up, the other guy was
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  Speaker 1: chatting with George, who was her boyfriend at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Paul at his boyfriend.
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  Speaker 3: And we don't know yet who these guys are refilated with.
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  Speaker 1: No, we just know George his boyfriend, and cham what
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  Speaker 1: a web we need. While one guy was helping the
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  Speaker 1: couple other residents get their hotels up, the other guy
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  Speaker 1: started chatting with my ex and his brother and he
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  Speaker 1: basically said he and the other guy just go around
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  Speaker 1: doing this in their spare time. They listen to the
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  Speaker 1: local fire radio needs and the police scanners to find
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  Speaker 1: out where the fires are, and they go to locations
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  Speaker 1: to help people allegedly out of the goodness of their
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  Speaker 1: help them do what I mean, be cold, you know
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  Speaker 1: you gotta if you haven't been in a house fire,
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  Speaker 1: unless you sit in on the edge of the curve
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  Speaker 1: with the blanket.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but who's gonna provide Like the firefighters they putting
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  Speaker 3: out the fire. They got a crew, right, there's something
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  Speaker 3: like the help and there's.
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  Speaker 1: Not a blanket guy.
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  Speaker 3: There needs to be firefighter dot com. Hope you're listening
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  Speaker 3: your workflow should include a blanket person, a.
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  Speaker 1: Guy who's just there to do blankets.
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  Speaker 3: Get you some grannies and aunties to come in the
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  Speaker 3: truck and be like, we got the blanks, we got some.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be what I see. That's
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  Speaker 1: better than retirement homes. If there's already hello, oxygen, come
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  Speaker 1: at the fire station. So we bring the elderly there
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  Speaker 1: and they just come along for the fires. Alright, babe.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone loves firefighters because they are the one part of
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement that never has guns. Right, everyone loves firefighters.
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  Speaker 1: No one's ever like he put me out.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, it's like, oh, nice guy, kind of hot too.
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  Speaker 1: You said. You know, that's a good rebrand for them
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  Speaker 1: because the fire the firefighter calendar really did numbers for
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  Speaker 1: them because they hadn't been the ones hosting the black
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  Speaker 1: people in the sixties, because those are regular hostes. Those
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  Speaker 1: were not regular, those were fire grade. But you know what,
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  Speaker 1: they rehabilitated with the calendar, and they did.
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  Speaker 3: I listen, you put a firefighter right here in this room.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, what's up.
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  Speaker 1: Let's open a business, Sam. This is our business. It's
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  Speaker 1: an elderly home. But it's just we put old people
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  Speaker 1: in firehouses, just one designated old person there.
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  Speaker 3: Who get shut down. I like it hypothetically.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if an old person showed up while
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  Speaker 1: I was having like an awful time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, emotional support. Yeah. So the So these two dudes say,
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  Speaker 3: we go around fire to fire.
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  Speaker 1: Allegedly, they go around helping people. So as they were talking,
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  Speaker 1: this guy also casually added that they know a company
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  Speaker 1: that does fire cleanup and restoration. So he tells him
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  Speaker 1: that if he needs any help, and it would be
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  Speaker 1: way cheaper to go through that company than regular.
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  Speaker 3: And sure, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: No, because this company pays the deductible for you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that sounds too good to be true.
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  Speaker 1: So Don was obviously very distraught at the event, was
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  Speaker 1: very grateful and told him that he'd get in touch
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  Speaker 1: with these people and asked for the number. The guy
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  Speaker 1: essentially said, I can do you one better. You're so
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  Speaker 1: stressed out. Oh, call them right now for you, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll take this whole desk.
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  Speaker 3: Oh they're doing insurance fraud. Yes, they are the equivalent
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  Speaker 3: of ambulance chasers, but fire chasers. But even wow, okay,
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  Speaker 3: go ahead, this is I'm already mad.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing about scams. Anything can be a scam,
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  Speaker 1: and why would And this is a perfect warm up.
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  Speaker 1: The worst thing just happened. Your home is gone. If
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  Speaker 1: you're lucky, none of your loved ones are gone. But
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting out on this curve and there's the blankets
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  Speaker 1: just appear in the movies like props, but you never
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  Speaker 1: think about who's bringing the blank.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, though, one part of like American society
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  Speaker 3: that is pretty effective at its job. Our insurance company
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  Speaker 3: is to deal with fire. They've been at it for
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  Speaker 3: a while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And when you call the insurance company, or if you
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  Speaker 3: own a building and you are filing a claim on
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  Speaker 3: an insurance policy for fire, you make the call, they
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  Speaker 3: really get it done for you. That's one thing that like,
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  Speaker 3: they know how to do it, so I don't see
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  Speaker 3: the need for a middleman. You call your insurance company.
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  Speaker 1: Because also insurance companies have to be the pettiest ones
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  Speaker 1: because buyers can be accidents, but they have to try
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  Speaker 1: their hardest to figure out how's your fault? Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: I feel if you can't buy a book of matches
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  Speaker 1: without the insurance company being like, and they'll always.
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  Speaker 3: Find out one thing they can always figure out is
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  Speaker 3: how the fire started, who where, or when? What why?
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  Speaker 3: They're going to get to it, which is why I
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  Speaker 3: would not want to complicate that process with a middle
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  Speaker 3: person man woman.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, if technically they may not be in
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  Speaker 1: the middle, they in the middle of you as a legitimacy.
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  Speaker 3: I bet you. Okay, so go on, But I have
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  Speaker 3: some theories already.
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  Speaker 1: Wait. I love I love a good theory though, and
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  Speaker 1: I love to be surprised. So so right now Green
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  Speaker 1: has the ex boyfriend has been approached by the blanket man.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know? The blanket man comes out to the
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  Speaker 1: fires and he says, I got it. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to better my guy? I can call the insurance place
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  Speaker 1: for you. So the guy calls the restoration company and
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  Speaker 1: conveniently so convenienced convenience with this man. They were available
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  Speaker 1: right then and there, right then.
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  Speaker 3: The insurance company's the phone at midnight.
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  Speaker 1: What a it's a state farm. No, Jake, Jake, get
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  Speaker 1: the fuck up right now, get put your red polo out.
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  Speaker 3: See I missed the era of State Farm with Dennis Haysburg,
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  Speaker 3: the really classy uncle black.
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  Speaker 1: Guy nose those four he did on stage I know
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  Speaker 1: about him are you in good hands. Oh no, you
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  Speaker 1: can curse on this show.
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  Speaker 3: I want him to be my insurance guy.
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  Speaker 1: He was fine, I was in good hands, and then
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  Speaker 1: they dropped me. And everyone knows.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: That get got fine, but you can't get excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: I would tell y'all what I got because it's actually hilarious,
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  Speaker 1: but then I feel like you might be able to
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  Speaker 1: find out stuff about me, So I can't tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you off. But anyways, we back to it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I am totally no.
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  Speaker 1: No. People love that part of the show. So we
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  Speaker 1: in conveniently calls the company and they pick up a meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Hello us legitimate company that picks up in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night. How can we help you? So to start,
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  Speaker 1: they are going to start the assessment details and get
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  Speaker 1: the contract settled, like right now, fire steel burned.
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  Speaker 3: Never how it happens, I guess literally, never how it happens.
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  Speaker 3: The pieces of as actuary. They gotta wait for the
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  Speaker 3: fire department's report. They got like there's a process describes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, y'all take a picture of the fire right now
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  Speaker 1: and text it to us.
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  Speaker 3: This is fish. This is a catfish dinner.
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  Speaker 1: Fishy catfish wow, because this is the service is a
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  Speaker 1: little too good. Okay, when it's a little too good,
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  Speaker 1: it may not be true. So they made it seem
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  Speaker 1: very super time sensitive and urgent, and he had to
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  Speaker 1: all sign it right there, like while.
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  Speaker 3: With the blanket all on the curb.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, don understandably signed the.
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  Speaker 3: Contract understandably, don Don.
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  Speaker 1: You know how you do? I do know what you
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  Speaker 1: know what you have with fire? And an estrange man
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  Speaker 1: shows up.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even sign the back of my credit cards.
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  Speaker 1: I don't sign nothing, Sam, Sam, you were you you're
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  Speaker 1: not listening to the fact. Okay, you had an unfortunate
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  Speaker 1: fire from a crock pot from this.
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  Speaker 3: Is us, this is that's still a part of.
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  Speaker 1: Because it is. And now you're cold. You're cold and
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: outside and embarrassed. You're wearing whatever you went to bed
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: and which you you know, you didn't give a fire
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: look when you went to bed, so that night you're
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: wearing like box got a little hole in them. They're white,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the white the ones you thought no one would ever see.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Wow, you know men have period of panties too.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You out, you out of your
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: good pussy panties. Okay, And all you got. All you
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: got are your period panties that are worn out. Yeah yeah, okay,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: and you're out there and you're vulnerable and all your
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: stuff is being burnt up in the flames.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Think about some guy who pulled up with blanket, says, no,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: it's good.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Sign this, yes, the tracks he showed up. He gave
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you a blanket. Okay, you was the hoe with no blankets.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Also, the question hypothetical. If I know there's a fire
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: and I gotta get downstairs real quick, you do have
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: four or five seconds where you think about what to
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: bring with you. I'm wrapping myself on the bedspread what
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: and coming down because smoke, you cover yourself.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Down, Okay, you think about safety. I was like, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: get my guccies.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: My my mind.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Looks like us a little resale value in that check
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and it's on the pawn out here on these streets.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I need good shoes, yeah, and the thick blanket and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: get me out of there, and maybe my phone.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Because if this is like apocalypse that I'm definitely taking
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: stuff I can barter with, so then I wouldn't care
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: about labels and shoes and what. But if it's just
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: our fire, it's our house. I'm trying to like if.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: My house caught on fire tonight. I always have a
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: pair of flip flops next to the bed because earthquake
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: culture taught me that half shoes because if glass breaks,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: you don't want to walk on glass. So I got shoes.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I'm taking my thickest blanket that's on the bed. The
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: phone is right there.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I'm getting out, okay, Bunny Dolly partner said, lipstick by
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the bed. Oh, she says, like, look like a bad bitch,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: because if there's an apocalypse, listen.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: My dad always told me we're clean on to where
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: before you get on the plane, and clean your house
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: for you leave for an airplane flight. You never know.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: So I like that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I like clean your house for an airplane flight too.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I like to come to a clean house. And so
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: he signed everything like one does yes but if so
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: fact though, this is how people do.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: So.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Then in the coming days, the restoration contractors reached out
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to the tenants of the building, including George, and asked
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: for their renters insurance information. George was confused by this
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: since the actual cleaning and restorations would be going through
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Don's homeowners instaurants. Since he confused, confusing, naturally confusing since
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: he was the owner and not the tenants as individual renters.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: So that was very weird. But the company told them
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that they were just doing a standard process and for
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: them to be able to conduct the work with the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: individual apartments, they had to notify each tenant's respective renters
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: insurance company. So everyone gave them their renters insurance information,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and then the company does clean out the building and
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: everyone's stuff and whatever was out. Started. Yeah. A couple
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: days later, however, all of the tenants received a bill
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: conveniently for the exact price of their respective renters insurance
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: fuire coverage amount fifteen thousand dollars.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Let's ei a bill or a check bill a bill.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: They each got a bill for fifteen grand they had
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: from someone that wasn't their insurance company or who was it?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So they had a fire homeboy came with a blanket. Yes,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: he got everybody's respect because he was like, I'm the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: blanket man. That's y'all should trust me. So then he
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: came up to one tenant who was her X and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: was like, my guy signed this paperwork out here of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: God locked the ash off, all right? Sign it? Then
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he was like, you need to actually get all the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: tenants in the apartment building. They need to sign.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: So they all signed. Yeah, and then after that information
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: was gathered, he ended up.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: They all got it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a bill from the guy with the blankets. Yes,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: did any of them pay this bill?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So they're curious about the bill right now. Everyone was
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: led to believe the Don's insurance as the building's owner,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was supposed to cover this. So it was a big
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: shock to everyone, including Don and Don and Green were
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: together got child to me news. The bills included a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: couple of seemingly legit charges, but a lot of bogus
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: itemized charges that were like several hundred dollars each. All
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: of the tenant's belongings at this point were in storage
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: units and the companies had added to that. So basically
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: now the companies are holding everyone's stuff until they received payment.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Jesus.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So then we don't have all the finer details here,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: but somehow they filed claims on all these people's insurance,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: took their money and then also took hold of their stuff.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: So by these tenants that night with the blankets signing
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: whatever these guys told them to sign, they gave up
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: some rights. Yeah, and now the driving roaming blanket fraudsters
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: have committed insurance fraud that has the tenant stuff locked
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: up until they pay the blanket guys.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And I think the insurance the real insurance company has
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the tenant stuff locked up is they have to play
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the blanket guys. Wow, because they all signed up to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: be scam by the blanket They.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Signed up to let the blanket guys be the intermediary. Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: they shouldn't have done that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Wow, people are awful. Yeah, people are awful.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Because, like as much as that seems like an excellent opportunity.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: There's a special place in hell for the blanket guys.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: The guys are bad.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Blanket guys are low.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, So just wanted to share this scam and spread
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the words since this was my first time hearing of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: some things like this. Again, I don't have all the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: finer details, but there was definitely something in the contract
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that Don signed that allowed this sketchiness to ensue. Last
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I heard, they are still holding John's belongings a full
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: eight months later front and from what I've gathered, some
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of the other tenants have been able to haggle the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: price down with the company to get their stuff back
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a bit cheaper instead of paying the full insurance payout amounts.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Sounds like the company is just wanting to make any
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: money at this point. Clearly the original guys that were
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: there to help were in cahoots and probably did get
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: some sort of payout or referrals or something like that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: George still refuses to pay the company anything because of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the storage space, and I'm not dating him anymore. The
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: look hope he gets his stuff back. I feel like
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you don't hope he gets his stuff back.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, don't like him.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Hello, I'm gonna reach out on limits that you were like, George, Well,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: bad things happened about say.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: The lesson here is like, if you already have your
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: own insurance, don't sign anything else until you've talked to
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: them first. I feel like this is one on one.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Blanket though, you stuck on the blanket, You're stuck on
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: the blanket. Fuck a blanket.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: They had blankets, They had towels. They also had water
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and snack. Bro Okay, No.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I ain't signing ship the Red Croft. I'm like you
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: signed ships. They are. They are a very interesting kind
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: of scam, but that's another story.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Rab and Run Get It's time for historic Hoodwinks. It's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: my favorite part of the show. That's is where I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: regale Sam with the famous Connor keeper. We just get
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: his opinions throughout. We kind of telegraphed it a little
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: bit earlier, but today we're talking about a bishop most
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: known for his friendship with the Mayor of New York City,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Eric Adams, was rob during a live stream of his
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: sermon this past July. However, with much as one million
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: dollars and jewelry potentially missing, news stories are coming to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: light regarding the bishop's past and supposed truth of the crimea.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I have been following this story. I also love how
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: this story has sucked to everybody in Like the New
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: York Times had like a thousand words on this the
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: other day, and there's just like deep into this man's
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: criminal history, and it's one of those things where it
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: could have just gone under the radar, could have just
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: been a black Twitter thing, but everyone's like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: there's meat on these bones, let's go.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And I kind of hate that because as a black
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Twitter thing, it's fun and it's hit. It's specific and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: then when it turns into the cut article, it's just
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like y'all are missing so much of the hilarious nuance. Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: because you're not a part of the culture. You just
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: don't get Like if you can't write a reference to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: who direct my juice in the hood for this, then
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: like you shouldn't be like he was literally that guy.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Also, it's like any of us that have grown up
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: in the Black church, you see one image of that
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: man and you know it's a scam. My general theory
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: on members of the black clergy. If you were on
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: a pulpit and there is any major label signage on
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: your person, you scam. You got Gucci Louis.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Talking about I need to test about the people inherit.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Third, you're fraudulent. You're fraudulent. I'm sorry, and so like
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: to read these white news out let's cover this story
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and like have to lay out the case for how
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: he was a fraud. I'm like Black Twitter saw him
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: and he was a fraud.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we gave you all the information you needed.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just if you have a Jesus peace
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: should not be passing.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: If you have a Jesus piece, you should never know peace,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: because you're a fraud.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: If God told you opening up your corridors like this,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: like this, the ormon airy. If you reach for God
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: when you open up your card, nor.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: You ain't right, You ain't you ain't right. You shall
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: not pass in the gates of heaven.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Oh but I love it though.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Oh it is. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: And he's also not backing down.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: He's just, and I love that for him. We love
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a gas lighting, lying king, stick to your story. We
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: love a shaggy moment. It wasn't me, okay, don't care
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: if you got me in four k so our July
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: twenty fourth, the Leaders of Tomorrow International Ministries lots of
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: names for that church love it based in Brooklyn, New York,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: was robbed by three mass men. And there's a video
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: clip of robbery. And they were robbed during a live
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: stream sermon. And we have a clip of that which
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I'm treasing. Samba.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Let's give it another again. Yop yo yo, All right, right, right, okay.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: As Bishop Lamar White had delivered his sermon inside his
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: church in Kenarsi, the Leaders of Tomorrow masked armed men
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: still one million dollars worth of jewelry and one.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Million dollars worth if you have church live stream.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: They said, we lived our heads in the section way
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and if you make a move, were shooting at the.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, and we shall rob you for the rest of
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: the days.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Also just like if you have a million dollars worth
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: of jewelry on your person, everybody in your church better
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: have their rent paid, their lights on, and their children fed.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I grew up in the kind of church where if
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: there were folks in the church who were like hung
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: we are going through it, you give them something. The
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: church would take an offering for those doing the worst
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: to help them out. And it feels like yeah, yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: and him having that much jewelry on his person makes
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: me think his church is not doing that kind of work.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But and I think he obviously uses the facade
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of like, oh no, it's my real estate, it's my
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: other things that I just preach God for a funzies
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: because I want to tell him about like how's good
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: He's bitten for me, that's just it. And it's like no,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is a complete right off off tax.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, it's a fraud.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: But like yeah, no, it's an absolute fraud. Also, the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: way that he got down to the ground when the robbers.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Came to you. Yeah, and when I first very godly no,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: when I first thought I was like, is this an
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: inside job?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I thought that too, because homeboy, there's a guy sitting
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: in the corner. We'll put the video on Instagram. Guys,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: there's a guy sitting in the corner who's like really
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: minded his business. Now, if I'm in a rivalry, I'm
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: not going to be doing too many hoopins and holler
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and sir, I'm at least get low. He was just
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: sitting in a wreck, like, yeah, they doing a little robbery.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Is that thirty eight? Yeah, they putting them in the bag.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Don't don't put the dot packs in y'all.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: No, it's it all, it's it's hell of s us.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I'm also seeing this still now if it's is that?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Is that? What is that?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Gucci? It's a yellow.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yellow toet suit with I think Gucci loafers. And you
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: know what, for all that money on its clothes, the
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: church itself doesn't look that great.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's all going his gator boots and pimped
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: out Gucci suits. Because the church looks like you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a courtyard Marriott. The Yeah, they have the breakfast buffets.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: It's giving. They just rolled away the buffet tray and.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: The lie I can never work, never thing, I can
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: never work.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's giving. You get a plastic cupping and you
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: gotta pump the walk and go into it. It's giving us,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: like right in the corner.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: The lighting is horrible.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's giving bagels, but no bagel toasters, just that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: little Philly cream cheese.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: So the robbery happens, do they find anybody? Do they
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: give anything back?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: According to Bishop Lamar Whitehead, the leader of the ministry,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the robbers took Drey from him and his wife totally,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: in a value as high as one million dollars. You
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: know how you wear a million dollars Joey to the gymo,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that's ur to the church. That seems wise. The Drewey
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: taken included a seventy five thousand dollars Rolex watch, a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars Cavalier watch, a twenty five thousand
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: dollars Episcopal ruby and diamond ring, a twenty five thousand
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: dollars Episcopal diamond ring, and several other gym pieces. Why
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: are you just like mister fucking McGoo.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Also, don't roll up in Brooklyn with that much shit
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: on you, bro, You're asking for it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I feel like that could have happened anywhere.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I might try to rob you at Trader Job.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I see you in the Hope line. It's on, bro,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you got that much on you give it to me.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Drop the pitch fucking stick up.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Also, this is the difference between old money and new money.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Real old money folks that know how to be rich.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: They'll have ship that is expensive as fuck on them.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: And if you and like, unless you're as rich as
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: they are, you won't know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Which is a flex to people who are as rich
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: as they are.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: But I want one day that kind of wealth right.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Where you're wearing a white T shirt and you're like, oh,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: put this white T shirt, baby, this is a five
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: million dollars white shirt.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I don't need to do that full body Gucci suit wealth.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I am a little bit. I want it all. I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: want a full body Gucci suit and then I want
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to be wearing the necklace of the Titanic underneath it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Listen, watch where you're walking and what you're talking because.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: So don't be in the sanctuary, not that one. Okay,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: they was trying to get a glory. They was trying
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to get. Yeah, I'm sorry that robbery lookedsic.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Also just the way he got down when they were
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: getting robbed. But it wasn't very godly. Also, I feel
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: like if I'm getting robbed, like it should be like, no,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: come on with my brother was taking you through life
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to get you here.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Kings, you start crying, comes in your church and you're
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: on the pulpit and they're trying to do some ship. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm doing. Father God, the bottle of blessed
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: oil at them, take them in the name. You got
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: a tambourine, throw it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: He was giving rob like he was like on the block,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like you know, it was given very much like how
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: we're a ghost look of crack force.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: You know, he was not of God in that situation.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: That was not a I've seen people get robbed more
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: godly than that. I'm kind of saying, there is a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: godly way.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: To get robbed. There is a godly way to get.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Rob Yeah, this ain't it. So the thieves escaped outside
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: on Resmond Avenue and have yet to be found curious.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: A week later, Bishop Why had re enacted the robbery twice,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: dressed in abandoning yellow Gucci suit. Yes, okay, yeah twice.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Why why the question we may never know, never know? Okay,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: why is the sky blow? You know, there's some things
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that are just gonna perplex us. So with Bishop White
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: had seemingly unfazed and continued to flash his suspensive wardrobe,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: questions began popping up about the robbery. Why would a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: preacher with a tiny congregation preaching in a tiny space
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: above a Haitian restaurant have potentially one million dollars in
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: jewelry on his person? Was also?
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Wait stop, I didn't know this restaurant was This church
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: was above a Haitian restaurant. So you got all this
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: money for jewelry. You can't get a real building, my dog.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, but you know how churches in their areas
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like that in Brooklyn spaces tight, spaces tight, I know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: but still it'll be like at the retail place where
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you like walk a bud and nail salon and you
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: just hear Jesus.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I grew up in Texas. With free standing churches.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, same, all right, but I've passed a lot of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: you know, bodega churches.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Churches. Yes, where are you from?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: From?
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Dallas, San Antonio?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Okay? Alright? River walking?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Yes we do, eating, eating our tacos, drinking our beer,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: river walking and river walking, river walking, river talking.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Every day every day. I'm from Frisco. I can say that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: No Cowboys, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Well just
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: be going by there thinking about winning one day.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: You know, well, I remember being young in the heyday
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: of the Cowboys, ak Men, Emtt Smith and them. They
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: were like America's team.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, we're not going to Sonny was
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: above a Haitian restaurant. I love and Smith, So they're
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: above this Haitian restaurant, which is also hilarious to me
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: because I know it was hot over there, it was
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: not giving ac and it's just like you're smelling.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Also, you know who would have stopped the robbers, the
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Haitian restaurant staffers. I feel like maybe, no, no, I'm.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: It might have been one of them. So why was
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: his reaction during the robbery and fast reflexes so planned?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Also as a as a leader, of that church.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Took no action to protect anybody in the church.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: It's just him taking care of him.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And above all, was all the jewelry ensured? Hmm?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Was all the jury actually worth a million dollars like you're.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Saying and wash that's oh, that's another one. So but
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: if it's insured, then it would the worth would be it? Yes.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So all the same time, more was coming out about
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: his past, and many discovered that he owed hundreds of
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to many people, including more than four
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to a construction a construction company that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: built his one point six four million dollars New Jersey house.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: As it turns out, the Bishop of Bling might be
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: a much bigger thief. So he got a one point
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: two million dollar house, and then the congregation has to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: come do praise and worship over a Haitian restaurant.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: He's also like been in jail for like some financial crimes, right,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: was there like an identity theft or something? I want
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: to say that, Like when I was reading one of
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: these articles, they're like, oh, yeah, he got locked up
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: for like identity theft or some kind of fraud before.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: So Lamore Miller Whitehead grew up in Brooklyn, New York.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Lamore or excuse me, Lamer is the bishop.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we're just gonna go.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: We're call him Bishop Bishop Gucci, Bishopcci, Bishop Gucci. Oh yes, amen,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Bishop Bishop Guchie grew up in Brooklyn, New York. His
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: father was Arthur Miller, a man murdered by police officers
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight when he attempted to diffuse a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: situation between the officers and an unrelated motorist. His death
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: led to several protests and marches on city Hall. At
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the time, Lamore was just a baby and Locmore's Bishop
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Goji as an adult. Bishop Gucci also studied accounting and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: videography at the Eastern New Mexico University before returning to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn to work as a mortgage broker in Manhattan. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: his path to success would soon take a left turn
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to a different kind of life. Oh not your life
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: being like skirt skirt. In two thousand and five, a
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: woman filed a report with a Suffolk County police saying
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: someone had used her personal information to purchase a motorcycle
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn in her name. A few days later, the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: motorcycle was found with a twenty seven year old Bishop
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Coachie ride in it. Stop I won't I won't lie.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: When I first started reading that sentence and it said
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a woman reported, I was like, oh no, Bishop Blucci, don't.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Don't be no beader or abuser, and then said.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: St okay, okay, okay, among us, I too won a motorcycle?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Right? How am I? How am I gonna get it?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: If I don't have a card, I take some lady's card.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It sounds good to me, but I hate. I was relieved.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's he's could be worse, could
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: be worse. He's a good guy. So during the following
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: investigation police found a much wider web of identity theft
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and dessimption.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Because I saw it well the times when they went
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: deep on this guy, I was like, oh, yeah, he's
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: an identity thief. And listen, the Lord can save anybody,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: but odds are an identity thief. I don't really want
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: to be saved. I mean, I'm just saying now.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: You do save a lot of money when you do
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: identity theft.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Why are you speaking from expertise?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Speaking luckily? If I'm stealing all my money from my
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: identity theft. Then I am saving a lot of my
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: own personal money by using others I pretending to be there.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: What the real scam is? He did all this identity
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: thieving and then he got to go to prison for
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: free free roof over his head.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: So who really got really? Also, what is robbery but like.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Borrowing redistribution of wealth?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, the So during the following investigation, now they go
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: start finding all this stuff. He was using personal information
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: stolen from his girlfriend's computer. Bishop Gucci stole the identities
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: of at least a dozen people in order to chake
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: out loans to buy cars. I can't believe this and motorcycles.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: The subsequent trial took place. It took what it took
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: months of preparation first, but instead of working on his
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: case while they're like, you know, basically, they pulled up
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: like Gucci is over for you. Let the church say, amen, okay,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: can we get the usher ward to usher Mistergucci the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: fuck up out of here?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah? What song? Oh when the Saints not even it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Doesn't it have to be wee fall dull?
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: But that song go as long as you needed to. Yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: twelve minutes.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: And it's motivational for if you're a criminal, then he'd
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: be like for a saint, just just so he's lowkey,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: still being passive progressed. He's like for a saint. It's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: just a center bitch, y'all. If I'm not a saying
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you not a saint. That's definitely the song that he
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: gets kicked out of church too, and it's beautiful. So yeah,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: he gets out kicked out of church doing this fraud
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So he's doing the money laundering, he's stealing,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: he's got a four year run for fraud. It's basically
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: comes to a halt and around two thousand and six
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: when he files for bankruptcy. In two thousand and eight,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: he was finally convicted of sex teen council identity said,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and sentenced to ten to thirty years in prison.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Well he didn't serve thirty.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: No SMI and nowhere.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Said.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to prison. I went to connect directly
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to God's most to.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Save the prisoners. Yeah, I went into minister.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Sound like y'all too good to spread God's words? And
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: what to sound like to me? You sound like y'all
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: don't want to come on a black.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Uh huh uh huh. And Bishop Gucci goes where the
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: need is he saw in the prison.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: If he came sermon, but yeah, yeah, save them, save though.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: So he was sentenced to the Simon prison he served
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: for the lawsuit brought by Maestro Maximums. Serving sentence was
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like sing saying, oh my gosh, she had to serve
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: in sing sing correctional facility. So Lamar aka Bishop Gucci
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: was ending his time in jail in July twenty thirteen
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: on good behavior, having had used a lot of his
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: time in jail to thoroughly study the Bible and seeming
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: me fun God. So he then also took his guidlaness
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: around prison. So witnessing to the saints. I imagine his
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: parole hearing was very lit.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Oh you know, he was testing was in.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: There and now I have something on my soul.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Can I cling these haircuts together? Is that? No? Okay?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, a tambourine with the hands.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to help for that. But you know, he
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: got everybody to get him out of prison. He excited,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I'm here for him and all of this. So several
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: weeks later, Leaders of Tomorrow Ministry was born. Several weeks.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: He wasted no time.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So with the congregation of fourteenth three people, listen, wow.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Where two or three saints are gathered in the.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Midst, right, that's all you need? Yeah? Uh. And these
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: people seemingly met him at his home just for Bible study.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: But he was like, nah, this a church. They thought
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that they were meeting.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: For Bibles exempt status.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: That's He was like, hey, y'all just sign here to
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: y'all read the Bible this week? Uh huh, that's all.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: You sign it twice even maybe right.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: So, in a recent interview, Miss Gucci said, regarding like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: this is regarding his new path, I have a calling
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: and I had to do what I had to do.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: As soon as I came home, it was on, Wow,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you know how God be talking like that? Right, God'd
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: be like, yes, on, Bro, Now I signed, Bro, Sunday
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Sunday sick.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I'm about to raise them dead. I'm about to make
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: some fishes and loaves my dog.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Sunday turn up. Y'all slepping over water, y'all slepping on
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: water over here. We got this wine.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: We're speaking these tongues, Bro, get up on that.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, how you been seeing the tongues brou
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: but you an't got your pushing my feet with her
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: hair was good? Oh God, okay.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Street Snow she got that lean. I'm gonna stop.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I got we have to stop, man. I have one
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: more DIDs so good. I don't even touch her. She
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: get pregnant. I should have quite well, I said.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Birching Berth, my dog, Birch and Barth.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Clean it up for me, Sam cleaning.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I like it. I like it dirty. I like it dirty.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Nothing in it with my mom. Oh God, ill get here.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So Lord Jesus, we're getting to the end of this.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: The blame bishop. So we've seen his criminal pass. He
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: was out here doing all types of buying whips, buying jewelry,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So now he's emerged from that pastor.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: He now has a church, which is unsuspected. People. They
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: thought that we're going to a Bible study, which I'm
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: gonna start doing. I'm gonna start doing bunko night weekly,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have everyone signed up. Yeah, we're gonna
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: play games and drink one. But it is a church.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: He'll never know it. Sign up.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: No one said we had to talk about God. We
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: just had an as symbol right right. She really loves steeples.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Now she bought a house with a steeple.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: That's my decoor choice now because I want a part
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: of this. So he is the bishop. Now he has
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: his small little church. At the end of his sermons,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: the bishop we call Bishop Guccie. Bishop Gucci. Whitehead is
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: also known to run an auction of donations in biting
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: members to sew with their tides starting at one thousand
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: or five hundred. An action, yes, an auction, yes.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Now if you're one of the few auction.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Of donations that work. So that's when you yell out
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: a donation of.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: One member gives the can of soup to the church,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: and then the pastor has other folks bid on the
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: can of soup. Is it that kind of situation?
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let me try to let me try to
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: run this out. Though the people you know, were critical
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: about about the wealth that he displays, his supporters supported
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: his preaching the prosperity gospel, a philosophy that emphasizes the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: material benefits of maintaining a relationship with God. So his
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: big thing is like, if you love God, you'll be prospered. Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: God gonna give your rank or a boat.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: For a full body Gucci suit and full.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Body Gucci suit and yellow. So at the end of
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the sermon, he's like, all right, y'all, it's time for
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: us to get our relationship closer with God. So everybody,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: y'all need to sew your ties to get your relationship closer.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: So then people start tithing and a thousand and five hundred.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: When no one takes an envelope, he suggests less until
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: someone comes forward. So he got envelopes like this, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: he rightes outside of the envelope one thousand.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Dollars and it's like, can I get a one thousand?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Gonna get He holds it up and he says, can
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I get a one thousand? For God? This is an
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: empty envelope? Will you put one thousand dollars inside of it?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: For me? Now? For God?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: This is where the this is, where the this is.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: This is why I'm so mad about it. And it's funny,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: but I'm mad. The definition of tithing bibli is just
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: ten percent. Just ten percent. Yeah, you make a thousand
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: dollars or one hundred thousand, ten percent and then you
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: should be good.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: But are you trying to get your money out with God,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: because with God, give me some money Jesus that I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: held a work cut. If you want money from Jesus,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: you got to invest intil six of your friends, some.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Herbal life shit, some pyramid scheme.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: So he owns a thousand dollars envelope and then when
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: nobody responds, he's like, hello, my thousand, All right, fine
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: it so sad, y'all do y'all don't want good things
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: happen in your life. So sad, and he goes down.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: And so apparently he would do this until whatever amount
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: of money made someone come up and sew into their times.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: So it's unclear exactly where these donations go. But Bishop
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: white Head says he does not make money as a bishop.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: The yellow Gucci had to toe sup come from.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Fraud. I don't have to. I don't have to steal
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: from the lore when I can steal from y'all, y'all
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: not God. I never once took something from.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: God, took his name in vain.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That So I just love auctioning the opportunity to give
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: someone else money.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: And that is a scam.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Going to do that now, I'm gonna figure out a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: way to do it. Myself personally because I deserve that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: What wants to give me money? Who out there wants
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to be the lucky person?
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: What's your starting them out? What's your starting figure?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Oh? My god, my starting figure? Y'all started a million.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there thinking, what would I start that and
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: be like an Uber Eats gift card. I don't know.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, you started way too low, Sam, you're starting way
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: too low. And look, I don't think I'm gonna get
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: a million, but I'll try dream big. Right, Yeah, what
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: do you say, guys to the chance of giving me
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: a million dollars?
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: That's it though, Watching the team in the control room
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: shrug their shoulders. Wow, then of y'all.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's my feeling. Honestly, I'm her. Y'all, wi't think
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I'm worth a million dollars? You don't want auction the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: opportunity to give it to me?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, every human is priceless existentially.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I mean the government says we're worth like ten millions.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Oh really? Okay?
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: So I mean so it's likely and clear with these
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: donations go. However, he does make money, he doesn't seem
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: to be doing it very well. In twenty nineteen, there's
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: a sixty eight thousand dollars lawsuit brought against him for
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: not making monthly payments on his Mercedes Bins and Range
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Drover in New Jersey Range Rover because you know, if
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you can't a board one really expensive car, you have
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: to get another.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Well, there's one for you, and there's one for Jesus, right, and.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: He takes the wheel.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: We have songs Jesus will take the wheel, but he
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: will not pay the car.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, what's up with that? What's up with that? Jesus?
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Jesus?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: So I said I would take the wheel. I never
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: said I was taking responsibility. That's why y'all don't listen.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm not coming back. So the same year, one
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four thousand dollars check was written to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: the company that built his Paramus New Jersey home and
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: it bounced. And twenty twenty, a woman named Pauline Anderson
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: had connected with the Bishop Whitehead aka Pastor Gucci. She
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: was a parisher or excuse me, parishioner, and was still
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: recovering from a life threatening surgery. Eventually, Pauline went to
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the bishop for assistance and finding oh no, she went
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to the Bishop and looks to get help to buy
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: a new home because she had bad credit. He said
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: he would help her investor money all ninety thousand dollars
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: from her retirement fund no in his firm Laymore Whitehead
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: aka Bishop Guccie Bisi Ganggang Incorporating. She was an initially
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: reluctant as this was her only income, but Bishop Gucci
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: offered to send her one hundred dollars in a monthly
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: allowance while he down a home.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: A monthly allowance of one hundred dollars from the guy
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: who brought you the thousand dollars auction in the church house.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fishy. The first payment was made, but then Bishop
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Whitehill disappeared and did not continue.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Could give her one hundred dollars a month. He couldn't.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Come on, now, you could have gave her one hundred
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: dollars someone.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: This makes me mad. This makes me mad, and it's
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: like anyways.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Eventually he told Pauline that he was treating her as
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: an me not being able to read it, it's just
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: a very funny thing to tell someone. What So eventually
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Bishop Gucci told Pauline that he was treating her investment
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: as a donation.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: That's not how it works, my dog. No no no, no,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: no no no no no no no.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I will be treating all of my investments as a
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: donation here on now. If you give me anything.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Student loans that money, y'all let me that was a donation.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: This sweater did you let me borrow last night?
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: American Express do.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Like how you can reframe the narrative. So at the
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: same time, so then he's talking about I'm running for president.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: So what he just said for the dazzle dazzle, and
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: that's why he's keeping Pauline's donation and why she can't
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: even have one hundred dollars. Oh, I feel so bad.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So at the same time, the bishop also wanted to
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: send Pauline. Pauline is the one who got robbed. He
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: wants to send her son a contract detailing that he
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: was about to buy a four point four millionllion dollar
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: house in New Jersey with a pool and a gym
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and a seller and the sale had never went through.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: So she he had gassed up her whole family basically
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: because he's like sending her son like trying like look,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: he was like, I'm about his house. Look up, there's
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the house. Oh.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: He was like I'm about the tacky house.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I have all this money, like she should invest with me.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give her. He didn't even Ponzi scheme her
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: good like. He gave her one payment of the Ponzi
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: scheme and then stole the rest.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Church folks, you got to do better. You gotta be
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: looking on the lookout.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: It's a cult, y'all. Come on. In December twenty twenty one,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: he borrowed four point one million dollars from a Brooklyn
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: mortgage company Aloan he had.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Just declared bankruptcy. And was it. Oh, I guess that
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: stuff scrubs off in seven years?
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Ah yeah, but I don't think it had been that long.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I can't so wrapping this up. In January twenty twenty one,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: he posted Facebook videos in front of an apartment complex
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: offering real estate classes and signing up through the church
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: eat Male address. And there is no website for white
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Head of States, even though that's what he's talking about.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Don't don't be on the internet looking for can't find him.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: You can't find them?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Wow, don'tk okay?
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: I'm so my heart goes out for these church folks.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And this is the video we have it snippet of
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: it is short, but it's it's really painful.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Can we white states real estate?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Because he's like with this other man, if this is
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the one that I saw, it's pretty Oh so this
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: is him showing his estates that he doesn't own.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: And that's a lambeau s uv.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, that one owns you know.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Oh he don't own that. You know, he don't own that.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: He just it up as he parks.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all see white headed steaks. Listen, I'm telling y'all
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: enjoying my real estate class. Well, start in February the fifth.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: I'm going to show you how to buy and flip,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: how to buy complexes, compartment complexes, renovating.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: You know, last I checked, the Bible said this is
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: the primary concern of housing should be housing the homeless,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: not living in the house. Follow me, all right, But.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: We're gonna flip it to some home some homeless people.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Or make some people homeless in the process.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, here's my question for you. How do people get
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: played by that kind of tomfoolery.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Because of aspirational culture. You look at him and he's
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: showing you the life you want to have, and he's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: telling you he knows how to do it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: See, but we look at the wrong stuff. They looking
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: at Gucci suits and Lambeau SUVs. What I want to
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: see your credit score, your credit report, but listen a
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: lot background check.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Now credit will like credit scores.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: How it can be a scam? I get that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: You know they came about in nineteen eighty nine. Who
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: made those up? And for what benefit? To keep us
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: all in dead?
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: But it would have been a red flag because you
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: know his score is negative twelve.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, It's honestly a red flag for me
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: anytime I see people holding lots of cash and photos
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: because I'm either like, you are taking pictures with cash
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: because you don't see cash that often, and you're like,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta commemorate this moment. The same this man is
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: screaming redflax or you can't put your cash in any
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: institutions because it's gonna set up several federal alarms.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Uh huh, that's you know, is there a moral to
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: this story besides watch out, y'all, don't get played.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's still out here. So meanwhile, the bishop
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: has continued to live stream his services, including the service
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: where he was robbed on live stream because you know
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: how you be getting robbed on live stream, Like as
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: soon as you set up your camera, then all of
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a sudden get robbed. And he maintains that everybody suites
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: people from here on out. It is what it is.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: My church was robbed, I was robbed. I'm the victim.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: So he's saying women that came out the woodwork that
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: he used to being sued by the girlies for taking
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: their investments and making them donation.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Ah, just fraud.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Everybody get shot up now and then it makes investments
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: donations everybody. He's like, I'm the victim. It's like, I
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think that you have to be quiet
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: because when you're playing this game, sometimes you're the mark
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and sometimes you're you know, the scammers.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: So sometimes you're getting scammed and sometimes you're wearing the
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: full body yellow Gucci suit.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like take out the chip, I charge it to
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the game. Amen. Well, guys, we are here. We've arrived
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: at the saddest part of the show. We have to
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: let Sam go. But before we let you go, we
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: just like to highlight one person who we love or
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: maybe we hate Scammer of the week, and this week
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that is y'all. Y'all and Sam already know you don't know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: y'all have been on the tiktoks, the instagrams, the all
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the dms sending carrier pigeons to let me know about
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Chef Pe and her pink sauce sauce.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: You know what I wanted to feel really well?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: First set it up so on TikTok, which is a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: place where you can learn all types of things and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: also spreads a ton of misinformation. There was a woman
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: who took the world by storm named Chef p. She
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: created a dark, pink sauce that instantly went viral as
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: she dipped it into all your favorite fast food. Honestly,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: she dipped the sauce into a goddamn thing, and one
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: time I saw it dip it into a Beria taco
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: but Taco Bell, KFC, just yeah, anywhere.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: And like it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: It looks like pepto bismo, but it's a savory sauce,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: almost in the aioli family.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: So she uses dragon fruit, which everybody knows. And I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: said this time and time, a fucking dragon fruits. You're
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a fucking scam, You're way too expensive, you don't taste
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: like shit, you're just in here being a babbage and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: not gonna trip anything to society. So she uses that
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: color to get that really bright pink, but it doesn't
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: really add like a distinctive flavor.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: So it's like any other sauce, but it's pink, Yes,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: and like that is okay. You're making pink sauce in
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: your house. You eat it, you like it, that's okay.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: I think the scam came about when her tiktoks blew
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: up and she wanted to sell it everywhere. Yes, had
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: no such infrastructure. No, And turns out when she began
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: to bottle the pink sauce, every bottle was a different
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: kind of pink.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, there was not much quality control coming out of
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: her literal kitchen. Also, she was not adding any ice
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: packs or dry ice to send out a content or
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: a sauce that definitely contains dairy in the middle of
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: record heat.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: And apparently the nutritional facts which you're showing up here
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: on the screen were just wrong.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: So this was a nutritional fact that she we talked
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: about on the show a lot. You got a no
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: photo show photoshop, guys. She went directly to Pinterest and no,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: this is literally from pinterest. Uh, and she got the template,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: the nutrition's facts template, and then she decided to just
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: give it a little dazzle dazzle. There's some typos. Then,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: instead of being a girl, her sauce apparently has.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Been a guy, which which.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: What's up? Might have been a guy. I don't know
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: that my tastes different. I might need to know what
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: that's about.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Here's my thing with it, though. Had she just kept
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: it small scale and sold it like at the cookout
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: in her town, or sold it like at the Little
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: County Fair, I'm fine with that. The problem was trying
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: to scale. If you're going to scale, it has to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: be legit, it has to be for real, it has
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: to go through the quality control. She wasn't. She didn't
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: know how to scale. So I almost feel like she
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: got caught up and was in over her head. That said,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: she reacted in the definitively wrong way.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. I mean, so she her ingredient, like
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the ingredient labels say she has pink Himalayan sea salt,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: which in itself is not a thing, because Himalayan salt
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I believe comes like from rocks, like on the ground.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: It's not distilled from the water. I'm not wrong about that,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: citric acid, milk, and vinegar. We already talked about that.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: In regards to taste, though the creator herself has said
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: she has difficulty describing it. She says some users have said,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: it's a little sweet, it's a little tangy, it's a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: little garlicy. She's selling these at twenty dollars a pop,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: and customers have raised several concerns quality. Regarding what we
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: were just talking about the quality and the safety of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: the product. It's been shipped, unrefrigerated, with inconsistent colors, non
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: existent expiration dates. It's said to contain milk and raw garlic,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: which unfrigerated that's not without a expert. Yeah, without an
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: expiration date causes botelism. There's also major inconsistencies we talked
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: about with the color. Also, some people getting that thicky thick,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: They getting that thick, and then other bottles are getting
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: that water. They getting that water. Then I can do
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: that with two different songs, but yeah, some people like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I got that water, and it's like, what is going on. Additionally,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: the nutrition label says the bottle contained four hundred and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: forty four servants of sauce.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: That's impossible.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Angel numbers and ninety calories are serving.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: So thousands of calories in these bodies. Yes, and it's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: spoiled milk and garlic.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it should also be a much larger bottle.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: We have an unboxing here of a pink sauce.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I like the labeling, the labeling, and here's the thing
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: is TikTok.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants to participate in the trend. Everyone has fomo.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: The pink sauce took advantage of that.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: This is the thing. If I were her, wait until
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: the brand seize your idea partner with like Nabisco, and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: let them scale you.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she still has a chance. I don't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: think she said, I can't describe the taste because literally
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: nobody has ever made anything that tastes like this before,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: which is amazing.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: She's gonna have to make the pink sauce.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Someone has to, because that's the thing. If you tell
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: me about a sauce and you can't tell me what
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: it tastes like, people are gonna buite it out of
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: curiosity because if you like, if you don't like Mayo,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: then I'm immediately not gonna be a customer. But if
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: you tell me something like oh, it just tastes like yeah, good, Yeah,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: it just tastes good.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing about all sauces that aren't
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: hot sauce or ketchup. They're either ranch dressing or some
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: kind of mayo. That's really what it is. It is,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: so tell us what it is. You added food coloring,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: you know, that's what it is.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Miss Pink Sauce lady. Uh. You know, I love scammers,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: I really do. I think you have a lot of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: potential here. I don't want I just want you to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: clean up the form a little bit, Okay, make something
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: that's not gonna kill people, get some real labels. I'm
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: rooting for you, Pink Sauce girl. I want to see
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: you on Shark Tank.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not rooting for her, and I hope she's okay,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: but there is no rooter in my tutor for her.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: It's not there.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Well, look, you're allowed to have that opinion, Tim, And
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: we always ask on the show, where would you like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: to be found? What do you want people to listen to?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Where you see on social all those things on Twitter?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: I am at Sam Sanders s A M. S A
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: N D E. R s. Same for Instagram at Sam
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Sanders and I host two podcasts that you can get anywhere.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: My podcast from Vulture and New York Magazine publishes every Thursday.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: It is a weekly pop culture show about the pop
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: culture We're obsessed with. My other show with my good
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: friends Zach and said, it's called Vibe Check and that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: publishes every Wednesday, and that is our very fun group
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: chat come to life. We cover any and everything, so
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: you can hear me on Wednesdays and Thursdays and see
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: my bad tweets in Today of the Week.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: He was such a great voice.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Sam, I really enjoyed vibing with the fellow textan today.
• 1:06:56
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• 1:06:59
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