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BOMBSHELL ARREST IN D4VD CASE, WITNESS REFUSES TO 'RAT': RECORD EXEC GRILLED BY GRAND JURY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Lomshell arrest in the
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  Speaker 1: D four VD aka David Anthony Burke case as a
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  Speaker 1: witness refuses to rat out David Burke as a record
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  Speaker 1: executive is grilled by a grand jury. Imancy Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. David is finally being viewed as a suspect
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  Speaker 1: of teen girls Celestes death. You're gonna have to have
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  Speaker 1: somebody rapped. How can she be missing all this time?
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  Speaker 1: Even possibly dead since the spring?
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  Speaker 2: An arrest is eminent in the dfour VD case.
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  Speaker 1: As a witness is refusing to testify in front of
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  Speaker 1: a grand jury.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean now?
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  Speaker 1: Unlike a defendant who cannot be forced to testify, a
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  Speaker 1: witness can be put in jail if they refuse to testify.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we are learning tonight, straight out to Alexis Tereschuk,
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 2: Alexis, this is what I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a state's witness, which means it's a
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  Speaker 1: witness that will testify against David Anthony Burke aka D
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  Speaker 1: four VD. It's a female witness against Burke who is
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  Speaker 1: refusing to.
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  Speaker 2: Testify, and she has lawyered up.
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  Speaker 1: She's got the same lawyer as the record exec that
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  Speaker 1: just got a let's see technical legal term in front
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  Speaker 1: of the grand jury. Just wait, guys until you hear
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  Speaker 1: what he said. That said, she's lawyered up female testifying
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  Speaker 1: against a four VD, refusing to come in, and she's
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  Speaker 1: about to end up in the can into pokey for
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  Speaker 1: her recalcitrants.
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  Speaker 3: What do you know, Well, you're exactly right. So there
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  Speaker 3: has been a grand j has been called in Los
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  Speaker 3: Angeles County and Robert Morgan Roth, who is an executive
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  Speaker 3: who's in charge of David's record label, he testified in
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  Speaker 3: front of the grand jury and he was heard in
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  Speaker 3: the hallway outside the grand jury room talking to his
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  Speaker 3: attorneys saying, I didn't even feel like I needed to
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  Speaker 3: be calling the police after she was found dead because
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  Speaker 3: we were on tour. I didn't want to jeopardize the tour.
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  Speaker 3: But within that same situation, the district attorney, the deputy
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  Speaker 3: district attorney, she's very angry.
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  Speaker 2: She says to him.
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  Speaker 3: I to his attorney, I need this woman to come in.
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  Speaker 3: She needs to be here. And you know what I'm
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  Speaker 3: about to issue away.
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  Speaker 2: Stop right there.
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  Speaker 1: I asked you about the witness getting arrested. You went
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  Speaker 1: to the record executive and that's not it's the gist
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  Speaker 1: of what he said.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to stay.
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  Speaker 1: And we know this because he went out in the hallway.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to make our attorney joining
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  Speaker 1: us today, Philipdbay do a backflip. You got a witness
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  Speaker 1: debate and they're in a secret grand jury proceeding. Then
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  Speaker 1: they come out in the hall and unload and everybody
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  Speaker 1: is standing around hearing what they said.
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  Speaker 2: That nothing secret about that.
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  Speaker 1: So the record exec he goes out in the hall
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  Speaker 1: after getting a by.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecutor in front of the grand jury, and he says, quote, I.
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  Speaker 1: Said, I feel like I didn't have the responsibility to
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  Speaker 1: call police.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get on with the tour.
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  Speaker 1: So forget about the dismembered little girl in your client's tesla.
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  Speaker 1: Forget about that. Let's just quote get on with the tour.
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  Speaker 1: Thoughts of Dobay.
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  Speaker 4: Well, First of all, in the state of California, independent
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  Speaker 4: of mandated reporters, if you have observed either a murder,
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  Speaker 4: a rape, or a loot act on a minor. You
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  Speaker 4: are duty bound under California law to notify the police.
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  Speaker 4: If you do not, it is a criminal act and
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  Speaker 4: it's one fifty two point three of our Penal Code.
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  Speaker 4: The problem is is that it's only a six month
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  Speaker 4: misdemeanor for a recalcitrant witness not to come forward or
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  Speaker 4: to notify police. So there's really no teeth in the
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  Speaker 4: law now. Having said that, anybody who doesn't want.
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  Speaker 2: To put them on baking.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, look around you, look around you. Are
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  Speaker 1: you at your office or your luxury home?
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  Speaker 2: Where are you right now?
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  Speaker 4: I'm in a studio.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to set Do you want to
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  Speaker 1: trade off your fancy office which I've heard all about,
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  Speaker 1: or your very sophisticated pad and go sit in the
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  Speaker 1: pokey for six months? It may mean nothing to you,
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  Speaker 1: but I doubt a record executive or anybody else wants
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  Speaker 1: to go sit on a metal bench for the next
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  Speaker 1: six months.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what a contempt charge will get you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't understand why at a minimum they
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  Speaker 4: just don't take the fifth. If you don't want to
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  Speaker 4: answer questions or you think you're going to be incriminated him.
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  Speaker 1: What are you saying the witness is not taking the fifth.
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  Speaker 2: People that are.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be charged or have criminal culpability, they're the
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  Speaker 1: only ones that can take the fifth. The Fifth Amendment,
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  Speaker 1: the right to remain silent guaranteed under our constitution.
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  Speaker 2: A witness, unless they're going to land.
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  Speaker 1: In jail criminally charged themselves, cannot take the fifth Amendment.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, But did you look around? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think any of us just fell off the turnip truck.
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  Speaker 2: Let's show him who's on the panel.
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  Speaker 1: Phillip do Bate offices with US, high profile lawyer out
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  Speaker 1: of LA this jurisdiction, doctor Bethe Marshall joining us. Renown
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  Speaker 1: psychoanalyst out of LA. Rob Dick, private investigator, doctor Kimball,
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  Speaker 1: Crown's chief medical Examiner Terrance County, Alexis Tereschuk. She's probably
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  Speaker 1: covered more cases than meaning lawyers have ever tried. And
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack who is joining us remote. We all know
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  Speaker 1: that only a defendant can take the fifth. So the
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  Speaker 1: witness absolutely can be thrown in jail. And I gotta
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  Speaker 1: tell you I've done it myself, except it was a victim.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is what happened.
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  Speaker 1: It was a little girl victim who was afraid to
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  Speaker 1: testify in a sex trafficking case, and she disappeared the
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  Speaker 1: night before trial.
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  Speaker 2: I was up the entire night. Five a m.
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  Speaker 1: My investigator, Ernest found her and I said, arrest her.
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  Speaker 1: We did not put her in jail. We put her
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  Speaker 1: in a nice hotel and he stayed with her outside
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  Speaker 1: the door until the time for her time testimony.
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  Speaker 2: Brought her to the courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: She testified, and then we drove her wherever she wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go, but she was in our custody.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like arresting victims, but a witness, oh yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: I would absolutely arrest a witness that wouldn't testify for
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  Speaker 1: the state.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when I was a new attorney and I
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  Speaker 4: needed witnesses in, we had the capability of getting body
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  Speaker 4: attachments for witnesses who defaulted. At one time, I had
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  Speaker 4: to haul a priest in. The next morning, they had
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  Speaker 4: him in the lock up with the collar and the
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  Speaker 4: whole thing, and we.
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  Speaker 5: Went off on each other.
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  Speaker 4: You would have never known that that man was a
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  Speaker 4: man of the cloth. But I needed him in and
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  Speaker 4: I had the court issue of body attachment, and they
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  Speaker 4: hauled him in. Now, having said that, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what this witness's counsel is doing out there, other than
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  Speaker 4: maybe looking like a potted plan. But you would think
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  Speaker 4: that that lawyer would get on the phone to that
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  Speaker 4: witness and say, look, you're at a minimum looking down
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  Speaker 4: the barrel of a misdemeanor for not reporting this thing.
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  Speaker 4: At least come in. If we think you're going to
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  Speaker 4: be incriminating yourself for failing to report, we can take
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  Speaker 4: the fifth, but don't default on the subpoena, because if
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  Speaker 4: you do, you're only making things worse for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the lawyer for the witness, the female witness.
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  Speaker 1: And let me tell you, a female prison, a female
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  Speaker 1: jail is no cakewalk.
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  Speaker 2: The big dollhouse.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't all that. You ever been in a lady's prison.
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  Speaker 1: It's just as bad as a man's prison. Nobody wants
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  Speaker 1: to go there.
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  Speaker 4: What it's a snake pit. It's a snake pit. It is.
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  Speaker 1: So the same lawyer Dubet is representing the record executive
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  Speaker 1: who was also defour v D David Anthony Burks manager.
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  Speaker 1: The record exec is Burke's manager, and he is the one.
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  Speaker 2: So this lawyer, Evan.
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  Speaker 1: Jennie is representing both of them. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that's the conflict of Manchester or not.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a civil issue. But she's on the lamb.
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  Speaker 1: She's refusing to rat the Elie. Law enforcement is looking
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  Speaker 1: for her right now. Have fun with that rancid tune
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  Speaker 1: of there'sh Sandwich for lunch lady. Also, I want to
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  Speaker 1: get back to the record, exec he actually says. He
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  Speaker 1: actually says, well, yeah, I knew about her body being
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  Speaker 1: found in a client's car, but I didn't think it
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  Speaker 1: was my responsibility to call police. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get on with the tour, so forget about the little
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  Speaker 1: girl rotting in the trunk.
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  Speaker 2: That's basically what he said.
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  Speaker 4: Debate, Yeah, and let me tell you, if that young lady,
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  Speaker 4: that child was under fourteen at the time, and he
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  Speaker 4: had knowledge of either a rape, a murder or a
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  Speaker 4: loot act on that kid, that is incriminating for him
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  Speaker 4: not to report it. It actually creates a legal duty,
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  Speaker 4: as I said earlier, upon him to report it, and
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  Speaker 4: if he doesn't, he faces the pains of a six
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  Speaker 4: month misdemeanor. Now having said that, the law requires that
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  Speaker 4: he actually observed it, as opposed to have knowledge of it.
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  Speaker 4: So I would absolutely defend him.
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  Speaker 1: Mind no, no, no, no, you're talking about the record exec. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't observe anything but himself in the mirror. The person
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  Speaker 1: that is under threat of arrest is the female. Hold
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  Speaker 1: on just a moment, let me go to you, Dave Mac.
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  Speaker 2: Let's clarify.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mac joining me along with the Alexis Tereschuk, Dave
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  Speaker 1: Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Mac.
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  Speaker 1: The person that's getting arrested is the female witness.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm betting, I'm betting that it's.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody that lives in that house that basically shacks up
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  Speaker 1: in there and knows what happened.
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  Speaker 6: Nancy. We were given a huge clue on this a
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  Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago when in some of our reporting
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  Speaker 6: it was that the end of the police had run
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  Speaker 6: that search warrant inside the house and they were able
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  Speaker 6: to determine which person in that house had been sleeping
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  Speaker 6: in which room were. They talked about how d four
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  Speaker 6: VD had this very tight in her circle. Well, there
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  Speaker 6: are three or four people that were with him constantly
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  Speaker 6: and stayed in that house with him. One of those people,
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  Speaker 6: I guarantee you is a female that they're trying to
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  Speaker 6: get in court. There was also another one another kip
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  Speaker 6: that we had, and it goes back to when they
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  Speaker 6: said he had help. Whoever cut up the last had help.
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  Speaker 6: It went out, remember on the long drive in the
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  Speaker 6: middle of the night, out in the middle of nowhere,
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  Speaker 6: had help. So we've got a couple of hints here
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  Speaker 6: as to who it is. The scary part of it
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  Speaker 6: is that the same attorney representing his manager also represents
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  Speaker 6: this unnamed female that they're trying to bring into court
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  Speaker 6: to testify it in front of the grand jury.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, why do you see that as a problem save
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  Speaker 1: Matt one lawyer can represent two people.
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  Speaker 6: I just it seems odd to me that you would
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  Speaker 6: have other individuals not in the industry that would have
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  Speaker 6: the same type of attorney. The LAPED has been working
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  Speaker 6: on a timeline of activity for Celesti and Burke, and
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  Speaker 6: an insider with the police investigation says they've been able
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  Speaker 6: to determine that in the spring of this year, Burke
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  Speaker 6: took a secret trip in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 6: to a remote area of Santa Barbara County. Burke remained
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  Speaker 6: in the area for several.
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  Speaker 1: Hours, so it's entirely possible that the female witness was
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  Speaker 1: along on that trip. We don't know who she is,
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  Speaker 1: but she is willing to go to jail rather than
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  Speaker 1: testify in front of a grand jury about or against
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  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke D four VD to doctor Bethany Marshall
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  Speaker 1: joining us renown psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction, this jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 1: author of deal Breakers. You can see her now on
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  Speaker 1: Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, what do you think about that?
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  Speaker 5: Nancy?
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  Speaker 7: Has she ever been a mother, a sister, a daughter,
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  Speaker 7: somebody who has loyalty to another woman? That this is
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  Speaker 7: what I'm wondering about this potential witness. You know, when
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  Speaker 7: I have underage patients come into my office who report
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  Speaker 7: some type of abuse, there's a maternal instinct that kicks
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  Speaker 7: in where I really want to think about how to
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  Speaker 7: protect that patient.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a mandated reporter. I have to call the authorities
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  Speaker 5: to let them know that something nefarious is going on.
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  Speaker 5: And who is this fiembale witness? That she wouldn't be
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  Speaker 5: loyal to another woman? And you know, Nancy, we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about a crime here. But to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 5: there was a lot going on leading up to this crime. Right,
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  Speaker 5: this is a young woman who's living in another man's
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  Speaker 5: household with multiple residents and that household and you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm thinking about her being brainwashed, her being abused, sex assaulted,
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  Speaker 5: all of that. Who's witnessing all of this? And why
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  Speaker 5: are they not coming forward?
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  Speaker 1: You know what, doctor Bethany Marshall, he just says something
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  Speaker 1: very important. Let me go back to you, Dave Matt
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories, investigative reporter. A grand jury is usually sixteen
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  Speaker 1: to twenty three people, depends on your jurisdiction, taken from
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  Speaker 1: the voter registration logs, and they meet once or twice
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  Speaker 1: a week, depending on the size of the jurisdiction, and
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  Speaker 1: all they determine is do we have enough evidence to
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  Speaker 1: charge the individual.
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  Speaker 2: They're not passing on guilt or innocence.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that important? It's important because a grand jury
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  Speaker 1: doesn't determine guilt or innocence. All they do is determined,
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  Speaker 1: have I had enough evidence to think this should go
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  Speaker 1: to a jury? Is it possible that he did this crime?
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  Speaker 1: That's all they're looking at, and then.
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  Speaker 2: They do a yay or nay. That's all it is.
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  Speaker 1: Usually a grand jury presentation lasts under ten minutes per case.
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  Speaker 1: You can bring on one witness, typically the lead detective,
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  Speaker 1: because in grand jury hearsay is admissible. The detective can say, well,
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  Speaker 1: this witness told me this, and this was told me that,
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  Speaker 1: this is what the medical examiner said.
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  Speaker 2: The body was in his car. He was the last
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  Speaker 2: one with her. Bam.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it works. Then it goes to a petite
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  Speaker 1: jury of twelve to decide guilter innocence.
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  Speaker 2: So to you, Dave Matt, we know it's a woman.
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  Speaker 1: We know it's someone that's going to testify for the state.
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  Speaker 1: There are no defense witnesses at grand jury's.
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  Speaker 2: So here are our choices.
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  Speaker 1: As doctor Bethany just pointed out, Dave Matt, it could
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  Speaker 1: be someone that lived in that home that knows how
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  Speaker 1: Celeste was killed. It could be somebody that moved the
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  Speaker 1: car back and forth. Remember Steve Fisher told us over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over, and he knows because he has
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  Speaker 1: amassd the ring doorbell camp from all the neighbors, many
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  Speaker 1: of the neighbors, and he knows when the car was moved.
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  Speaker 1: He even knows who was moving at one time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was a woman that moved the car for
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  Speaker 1: d FORVD. Maybe it was someone, as you pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mac, that went on that late night trip into
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  Speaker 1: the hills and stayed there for hours and hours. You know,
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  Speaker 1: their speculation she was buried or hidding at one location
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  Speaker 1: and then later put in the car trunk. Maybe she
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  Speaker 1: was there for the trip, maybe she moved the car,
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  Speaker 1: maybe she.
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  Speaker 2: Lived in the house.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever she knows, Dave Mac, it's damning to David
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Burke and she doesn't want to testify.
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  Speaker 2: Who could she be? What does she know? Dave mac?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think it goes back to that very first
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  Speaker 6: search warrant when the police were in the house. They
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  Speaker 6: were trying to find out who lives in this house,
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  Speaker 6: because we know it's more than just Burke. And the
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  Speaker 6: police said they were able to identify or maybe it
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  Speaker 6: was Fisher, but they were able to identify the inside circle,
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  Speaker 6: not the people who just travel around with Burke, but
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  Speaker 6: we're talking about the people who shared that rendered house
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  Speaker 6: with him, that had their own area, their own their
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  Speaker 6: own night scent. They identified three different people. I think,
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  Speaker 6: so you've got any one of those who was there
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  Speaker 6: on a daily basis used that house as their own
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  Speaker 6: place to live. But also I believe that person was
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  Speaker 6: with Burke in the middle of the night as they
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  Speaker 6: went up up north to Riverside County or San Borgino County,
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  Speaker 6: Santa Barbara County, wherever they happen to have been out
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  Speaker 6: in the middle of nowhere. Because we were told he
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  Speaker 6: was there for several hours. We know they've got this
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  Speaker 6: digital footprint, they've got they've got the markings for where
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  Speaker 6: they were. And I say, hey, because we're going to
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  Speaker 6: assume here that this person they're trying to bring in
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  Speaker 6: front of the grand jury knows the details on what
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  Speaker 6: took place that night. We've got him driving out, staying
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  Speaker 6: in one spot, and driving back. There's one other individual
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  Speaker 6: besides Burke that can tell us what happened, and that's
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  Speaker 6: who it is. And this person, this female, does not
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  Speaker 6: want to do it for what what ever? Reasons culpability,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, but that's what we're up against right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hold on just a second.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Lessa's Terrestchuk on digital information
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  Speaker 1: on the female witness, but to Philip Dbay if she
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  Speaker 1: knows about any.
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  Speaker 2: Of the things Dave McK and I have just identified.
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  Speaker 1: Well, did she take that late night trip out into
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  Speaker 1: the woods where they stayed out there for hours and hours?
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  Speaker 1: Did she move the car? Was she one of the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: individuals that moved the car?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Steve Fisher I.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Believe has been told told by LAPD to shut his piehole,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and he's not going to stay on air who he
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: saw moving the car, but he knows.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: But the car was moved.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Several times, maybe not by the same person every single time.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So why would an individual just go move the car
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: around unless they knew what was in the trunk. She
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: could have lived in the home, she could have gone
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: on that late night trip, She could.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Have moved the car. She could know how Celeste died.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think she's not testifying because she thinks she's
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: going to get charged Because if she's an accomplice, they
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: could go ahead and charge her if they wanted to.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: They would not be calling her as a witness. If
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: she is the target.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. Even if that were the case,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: her counsel can demand that she be immunized. I mean,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: that's the whole point. If you're a target, or you
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: could be a target, then you either take the fifth
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: or you see community and that's typically what the das
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: do if they really want to get the kingpin, if
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: you will. But I really think what's going on here
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: is that this young lady either has intel or she
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: is afraid to dime out the golden goose if you will,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: because he is the cash count for everybody involved. If
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: he goes to prison, they don't eat. There's an old expression,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: and that is if a concert doesn't close, I don't eat.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like a real estate transaction. You don't
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: close escrow, you don't close the contract. Nobody gets paid.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: And let me tell you he is the golden gay.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you debate?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: What good is that money, that golden ticket, that paycheck,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that grave train?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: What's that going to do for her? Behind bars in
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the big dollhouse.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: I understand that a lot of these kids don't have perspective.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: They live hand to mouth, is what it is.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: You're not kidding in the other twenties have three jobs
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: and prosecuting in my twenties. Stop it. So do you
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: think that's why she's not coming forward? She'd rather get arrested.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: See no, no, if she were a target, she would
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: not be being forced to a grand jury. Her lawyer
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: who we know who it is, would have already said
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: she wants community.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Or she's going to take the fifth. That's not happening.
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: The severely decomposed, dismembered remains found in a Tesla owned
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: by singer songwriter David identified as Celeste Reevas, reported missing
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: more than a year ago, Lake Elson, Or, California. She
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: was identified through forensics and a cause of death has
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: not benda.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: German Crime Stories with Nancy Grace David David Anthony.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Burke is finally being viewed as a suspect in Team.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Girl Celestes murder.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Police sources believe Celeste was killed back in.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: The spring, her body found in his Tesla truck. What
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: has changed? What has happened? Will this result in murder charges.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And arrests going down in the D four VD David
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Anthony Burke case. What does it mean as a grand
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: jury meets in secret? Earlier we were discussing digital evidence
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: straight out to Rob Dick joining US bounty hunter, private investigator,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: former deputy Sheriff Sacramento County, owner of Renegade Investigations, Rob Dick,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Philip Dubay Alexis Tereschuk
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and Dave Mack had brought up a very interesting point.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: The witness that the prosecution, a female prosecutor.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Is held bent on getting in front of that grand jury.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: May have traveled with David Anthony Burke, may have lived
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: in the home with David Anthony Burke, may have moved
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that tesla for him. There's any number of reasons the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: prosecutor may need this witness, and she will get the witness,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Make no mistake about it. Even if it takes six
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: months for the witness to sit behind bars and stew
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: she will get the witness. That said, how can digital
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: forensics prove what this witness knows? For instance, her phone?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You think she went anywhere without her phone not happening?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: If she was moving that car around, they have that triangulated.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: If she went on that trip in the middle of
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the night, you can see her phone traveling along with
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke's phone, or with his tesla.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You know it's a tesla.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It's got all sorts of navigation data embedded, right. How
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: can digital forensics nail this witness?
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: Yes, I mean there's going to be a complete outline.
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: They'll be able to figure out exactly where every party
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: that was involved, when how long they were there. They're
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: going to be able to track them and completely show
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: who was involved.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: And one other last thing that I don't think we're
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: bringing up. You know, she may have seen exactly what
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: happened and is afraid that could happen to her.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: That is certainly a possibility following up on what private investigator.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Rob Dick just told us. Joining us now is a
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: digital forensics expert, Scott Iiker. Listen to this.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: He is a founding member of the FBI Cellular Analysis
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Survey Team.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: How does it work, Scott?
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: There's so much digital evidence that we could pull up
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: from computers, we can pull up from cars, pull up
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: from phones, we can pull up from iPads, anything, watches,
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: you know, ankle bracelets, anything. So as you get all
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: that data and preserve it with the phone company and
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: then pull it into a massive timeline locating the car,
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: the individual, you can put those things together with this female,
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: with the victim, with the car at the house. You
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: can build that story and that visual for the jury
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: and grand jury to see, yes, these were there, these
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: people were there and these people were not.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But how does the triangulation process work. Can it be
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: attacked on cross examination? Although, of course, Scott, as you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in a grand jury proceeding, there is no defense attorney.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: This is not a guilt innocence phase. This is just
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: putting evidence to.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: A grand jury to determine is there enough for an
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: actual indictment. So the witness is not going to be
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: cross EXAs But how can triangulation be attacked by the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: defense Because I believe from day one LAPD Please tell
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: me this is true. LAPD has been amassing cell phone,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a NAV system, all sorts of digital forensics to prove
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this case. And that means they have to find the witnesses.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: How are they going to do it? Find out who
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: was in the home? What about a data dump? What
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: about a stingray that could show me whose cell phones
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: were in that home at the time we believed so,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: let's Revus was killed.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: How would that work? Scott?
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: Let's detect this each different way triangulation And now, okay,
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: your thinking first is that you can get a specific
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: point on the earth. Well, it depends on what kind
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: of data is are you getting from the phone company
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: or from a vehicle or whatever. Sometimes it's GPS that
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: needs at least three satellites to be able to give
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: you a good point on the Earth. You have distance
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: from tower measurements from cellular towers that can be very
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: accurate if you have multiple towers giving you that data information.
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: And then sometimes depending on how late you're getting the data,
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: you're just getting at what tower the phone used or
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: the car used or something like that, not how far
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: from the tower. So it really just depends what data
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: they got at that time, because you don't remember they
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: were working a couple of weeks behind when the victim's
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: body was found. Now you had mentioned the steam ray.
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: Now the steam ray is actually just a device to
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: locate where phones are now, not where they were a
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: month ago, six months ago.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to be able to use this
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: ray to get all of the cell phones that were
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: being used in the home on that night. Curious from
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: clips of David on Take Time. So what are the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: other possibilities? Well, for one thing, the NAV system on
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a Tesla, Scott for a NAV system on the Tesla
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: tells you so much.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: For instance, what Scott iiker, Well.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: A NAP system is very very accurate on the Tesla.
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: It's GPS right, and they actually have a cell phone
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: in the car also, so if you can get several
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: different things and all the telematics about the car itself,
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: how fast it was moving, when it was moved, who
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: was in the car based on the cameras we've seen
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: all that already you know provided or should have been
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: provided and put downloaded from the car. Now you asked
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: about how do we know who was in the house
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: back in historical time. That's getting tower dumps. That's getting
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: information from the phone company's historically of what phone or
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: devices were in a general area of that residence at
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: that time. Again, it's depended upon how how long the
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: phone company teaches that data, on how specific that data is,
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: and what did you tell data that they can a
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: tower dump, so.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: You get that from the actual closest.
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: Cell tower, several towers.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk, there was a key card found in a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: sewer drain a drainage outlet near where the Teesla was parked.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is from running back seven seven seven. It
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: was on Reddit. It says tesla.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So that's the key card we believe to D four
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: vd's Tesla.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Where was that found? Alexis Tereschuk in gout or near.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: His Hollywood Hills home on the on the ground and
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: so interesting.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: So it was closer to his home Alexis, Yes.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: His Hollywood Hills home.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, not in Santa.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Barbara, and not at the impound place where the car
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: where her body was found in the car, but near
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: his home.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Interesting, scott Iker. That tells me a lot. It tells
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: me that the car was left and the key card
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to the car was abandoned a distance away. Why, scott Iker,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: what does the key card have to do with the tesla?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: What does it do with a tesla? Why do you
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: need a key card?
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: Well, initially you need a key card to actually get
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: into the vehicle, and then set up the driver's phone
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: to be the actual key. So once you get the
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: key card, you get that from the dealer when you
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: buy the car. Then you set up the using the
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: key card to use the phone as the key for
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: the rest of the time you're using the tesla, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: you can set up several different individuals to use that tesla,
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: and then you can put that key card in a
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: safe place if you need to and just use the phone.
• 30:02
  Speaker 10: But every once in a while you'd have to bring
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: that key card out if you're going to add drivers
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: or some of that. Mm hmm.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Philip D Bay joining US high profile defense attorney out
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: of this jurisdiction in LA.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I bet you is a.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Defense attorney just hate digital forensics because I bet you
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: money that this witness who's getting arrested because she refuses
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to testify in front of the D four VD David
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Anthony Burke grand jury.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I bet they've got her every which way.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But upside down with digital forensics showing Philip what about it?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it is just that it's a digital footprint.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: It what's her there? Nobody goes anywhere without their phone.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: It's like a woman's purse. You don't let it out
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: of your sight. So no grandeur or let alone a
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: childer is going to buy the fact that the phone
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: wasn't on her. And yeah, the girl must be terrible.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: She's petrified for a couple of reasons. Number one, she
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to get arrested, she doesn't want to get implicated,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: and she doesn't know immunity from apple butter. She doesn't
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: even know the right lingo to use.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: She's got a lawyer, yes, she does well.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, then hopefully that lawyer is in fact invoking her
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: rights so that nothing criminally happens. Now, the question I
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: think that the grand jury will have is whether or
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: not other people were involved in the crime.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burg is being investigated as a suspect.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: In the death of teen girl Celeste.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: He has not been cooperative throughout the investigation. To Alexis Tereshak,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter, the Medical Examiner's Office is at
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: war with the LAPD. It's very rare that that happens.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Usually they are in lockstep. What's happening. Why has LAPD
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: told the medical examiners to shut their pie hole?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: They believe that they are releasing too much information and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: that this is knowing to affect the case, affect the
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: specific details whether or not she was actually completely dismembered,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: whether she was decapitated or not. They don't want any
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: of this information out there because this would be showing
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the people that are involved what they have, and they
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: don't want the public knowing and getting involved in all
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: of this. But the Medical Examiner's Office has been talking,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: so there are conflicting stories out there. Was she dismembered,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: was she frozen? Was she decapitated? Each side is trying
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: to keep the wraps on this, but the LAPD is
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: very mad that these details are coming out.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Joining me, Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Ran County.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: That's fort Worth.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU and the star of a hit podcast,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Mayhem in the Morgue, Doctor Kindle Crowns, thank you for
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: being with us. There's a lot made of whether Celeste
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Rivas was frozen. Okay, we know from just common sense.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Let's see the tesla belonging to David Anthony Burke D
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: FOURVD sitting in the mpound lot. It sat there for days,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns, from our forends at KTLA. Now, given
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that amount of time plus the amount of time it
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: sat out on the sidewalk, it sat out on the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: sidewalk on the street, and that ritzy neighborhood millionaire mansions
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: for days and days being shouldled from one spot.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: To the next.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: So doctor Kendall Crowns, by the time her body was
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: found in the car in the mpound lot, she had
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: been dead for days and days and days decomposing.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: In a trunk.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Given that fact scenario, which we know to be true,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall, could you still tell whether she had ever
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: been frozen.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I accept what the LAPD says.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: She was not frozen or partially frozen at the time
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: she was found.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: That photo was.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Showing you of the chazla with her body in it
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: there at the impounds from our friends at KTLA.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: But could you, as a.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Medical examiner look at her body tissues under a microscope
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and tell if she ever had been frozen.
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: So when bodies freeze, you can actually get formation of
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: ice crystals and the body becomes hard as a rock
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: because the majority of our tissues are made up of water.
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: So if you get below freezing, the body becomes an
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: ice cube. But once it thaws out, there's really no
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: changes that happen if the freezing occurred after death that
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: you can look at and go, this body was frozen,
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: unless there's still ice crystals in the heart or in
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: any other blood vascular areas. Other than that, there'd be
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: no way to tell if she was frozen and then
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: thought out and then you know, dumped. But if she
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: had been alive and frozen, there are changes there but
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: not after death.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Trying to digest what you just said. I believe you
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: said if she was totally thought out, which obviously she was,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: there's no way to tell if she ever was frozen.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, you don't get freezer made, got it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: A lot has been made as to whether she was decapitated,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: but doctor Kimball crowns, no one is opposing the fact
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that she was dismembered. Typically, when I've had a case
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: where a body was dismembered, the hands and the head
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: are cut off to avoid identification. In this case, if
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: she was that decomposed, how would the identification have been made?
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: So if they dismembered her to try and get rid
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: of evidence of identification, like you said, of course the
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: hands with the fingerprints. The head is for facial identification,
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: but you can't get rid of the DNA. Even if
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: you drain the body completely of its blood, you can
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: still get blood smears from the spleen or the muscle
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: or things of that nature, and then you take that
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: DNA from those organs, and then you do a comparison
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: with the family, and you can still identify the person,
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: whether there's a head or hands or not. Even if
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: it was just a section of the leg, like they
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: only found a foot. You could still do a swab
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: of the tissues in that area, usually musculature, and get
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: a DNA sample to do a comparison with known family members.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's. Isn't it true that even if a
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: body is dried.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Out, almost mummified, you could get DNA from bone marrow
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: or from the inside of a tooth, or you could
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: take a body part such as the liver, blend it,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: liquefy it and get DNA from that.
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: Yes, that's correct. All those are scenarios in which an
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: individual has gotten to the point that they're mummified or
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: dried out, you can still get DNA from them. Bone
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: marrow is a great one because the femur or the
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: big bone in your thigh still has plenty of bone
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: marrow in the ribs as well. The teeth. What you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: talking about is the pulp of the teeth is still
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: very that it can be present for a long period
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: of time. It's a good source for DNA. And then
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: finally blending up the tissue. We usually use the spleen
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: because it's so vascular. You can get a lot of
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: blood from it, even in a mummified state, but you
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: can use the liver or other organs if they're more intact.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: That photo we're showing you of the Chasla with her
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  Speaker 1: body in it there at the impound, it's from our
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  Speaker 1: president KTLA.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace and doctor Kendall Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: A law has been made that the LAPD and the
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  Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's Office is at war.
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  Speaker 2: The medical examiners.
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  Speaker 1: All medical doctors like yourself do not take kindly to
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  Speaker 1: the PD, telling them.
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  Speaker 2: To shut the hay up.
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  Speaker 1: But the truth is, doctor Kendall Crowns, we don't know
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  Speaker 1: if these leaks have come from the Medical Examiner's office,
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true? Medical examiners in large much Politan areas
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  Speaker 1: have a fleet of their own investigators.
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta did. In fact, some of.
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  Speaker 1: The best investigators I ever knew were from the Medical
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  Speaker 1: Examiner's office. Elite could come from a medical examiner investigator,
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  Speaker 1: It could come from somebody making copies of documents. It
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  Speaker 1: could come from someone within the LAPD about the Medical
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  Speaker 1: Examiner's reports. And therefore people think the leak is coming
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  Speaker 1: from the Medical Exammer's office.
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  Speaker 2: There's really no way to identify who's leaking.
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  Speaker 1: But the medical Exammer's office is the one that's being spanked.
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  Speaker 11: That's correct. I mean the medical exammer's offices usually have
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  Speaker 11: their own set of death investigators so they can do
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  Speaker 11: an unbiased death investigation and not rely on police information
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  Speaker 11: to determine cause and manner of death. But usually big
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  Speaker 11: offices have upwards of over one hundred people, and big
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  Speaker 11: cases like this that information people can talk about it
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  Speaker 11: the death investigators, the autopsy technicians, the doctors themselves, and
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  Speaker 11: information can get out in the public. But you're correct,
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  Speaker 11: the police also can be guilty of leaking this information
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  Speaker 11: because they get the file as well, and they are
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  Speaker 11: another large organization with multiple people, and people talk and
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: this information gets out there. That's the problem with high
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: profile cases is they always create high profile problems because
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  Speaker 11: so many people want to know the information and people
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  Speaker 11: love to talk about, oh, guess what I saw at
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: work today. So you have to be very careful in
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  Speaker 11: these situations about what you say to whom, and you
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  Speaker 11: have to keep your mouth shut. And if the police
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  Speaker 11: is telling the medical examiner's office to shut up, well
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  Speaker 11: you got to do what you're told and You've got
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  Speaker 11: to work as a team because they have to do
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  Speaker 11: their investigation, and if we leak information, it can actually
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  Speaker 11: color and bias the entire investigation and cause a lot
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  Speaker 11: of problems.
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  Speaker 1: Philip Dubay, high profile lawyer, loose lips sink ships. Just
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like that witness, the record exec goes out in the hall,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: starts whining. Someone could have been having a beer, and
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: somebody ever hears what they said talking about Hey, guess
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  Speaker 1: what happened in the Medical Examiner's office today. Guess what
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  Speaker 1: I read in this report that I copied. It could
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  Speaker 1: be anybody that's blabbing. It doesn't have to be a
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  Speaker 1: paid informant, it doesn't have to be official. Anyone could
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  Speaker 1: be leaking this information, of.
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  Speaker 4: Course, and that's usually how it happens. We see it
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  Speaker 4: in the coroner's office. We've seen it in the DA's office,
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  Speaker 4: and frankly, we've even seen it in the public Defender's
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  Speaker 4: office over the years, where somebody sort of casually mentioned
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  Speaker 4: something and before you know it, you know, it becomes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like this big, huge story and it takes
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  Speaker 4: on a life of its own, and then before you
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  Speaker 4: know it, it's it's taken.
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  Speaker 2: Out Caber Philip Imbricaber.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, somebody blabbed and suddenly it was a dateline special.
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  Speaker 4: I know, and the court opened up a special investigation.
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  Speaker 4: They were going to get to the bottom of it.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the only reason why they let it
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: go is twofold Number one. He pled so the case
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: was over. But number two, I think under Idaho law,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: even if you do get to the bottom of it,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: it was only a misdemeanor to invest all this money
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: in a misdemeanor. It just wasn't costing.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know why you keep saying that it's not.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: You're in sitting in jail an arrest to go down
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: in the D four VD David Anthony Burke case, as
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I like to call it, the Celestia Rev's case, a
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: witness refusing to testify.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Why what does she know? Rob Dick has a theory.
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  Speaker 9: What I think it's not so much worried about going
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  Speaker 9: to jail. I think it's worried about what she's seen
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  Speaker 9: the same thing happening to her. I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 9: possible fear in her own self. She could end up
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  Speaker 9: like that, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: Let me follow up on one investigator private investigator Rob
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  Speaker 1: Dick said.
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  Speaker 2: Afraid it's going to happen to her.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, she wasn't afraid to go along
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: for the ride to for instance, Lin with the mansion,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: be on the dole, eat out at fancy restaurants, go
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: to concerts.
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  Speaker 2: Afraid of what you know.
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  Speaker 7: Nancy, she's complicit in some way. When witnesses do not
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: want to come forward, it's usually because they have played
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: a role in the crime. Maybe it's just a silent witness, right,
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: Maybe it's just somebody watching Celeste being abused. But she
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: saw something, and you know, you know the term house
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  Speaker 7: of horrors. We're talking about homicide here, we're talking about
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: a dismembered body in a front But what we're not
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: talking about is the house of horrors. What was going
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: on in that household up to this homicide and this dismemberment.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Were women being used as sex slaves? Were women being dominated?
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Were some women dominating other women? Were people using drugs together,
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: We're people watching sadistic pornography together and then you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: sadistically hurting each other. We don't know what was happening
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: in that house. And I think that's going to be
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: really important for us to uncover as this trial moves forward.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So, in other words, doctor Bethany, another person stands by
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  Speaker 1: and watches what's happening to Celeste and does nothing. Let
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: me remind everybody, So Lest's just thirteen years old when
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: this whole thing cranked up with David Anthony Burke. She's dead, dismembered,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: turning into nothing but go. And someone doesn't want to testify. Really,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: someone that potentially stood by and.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Watch all this happen and did nothing. That person, Befany.
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, I'm a mandated reporter as a marriage, family,
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: and child counselor, and it's a psychoanalyst. If I see
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: something that's being done to a minor or to a child,
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: I have to report that, not I don't have to
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: investigate it. I just report this suspicion that something is happening.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: We have all these people in that household seeing i'm
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: sure pretty terrible things going on, and not one person
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: is calling the police.
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  Speaker 5: Not one person is called. No one person is talking
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: to Celeste.
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  Speaker 2: What about her parents?
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Did any of these witnesses call her parents?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: No?
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Everybody is just standing by silent.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: You can run, but you can't hide. That female prosecutor
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: knows you. Your name, your DOB, your SSN, Social Security number,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: your address, your mama's name, your brother's name, your boyfriend's name.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Your tag number. Go ahead, go in, go under oath
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and tell the truth.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: A little girl is dead and you're refusing to testify,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: and you know another thing to D four D David
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Anthony Burk's manager.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Shame on you.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: You actually said out in the courthouse hall that you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: didn't have any duty to call and report a dead
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: girl in a trunk. All you wanted to do was
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: continue with the tour. You know what, conscious pilot, just
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: washing your.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Hands and looking the other way. It ain't working this time.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: brutal death of this little girl, ce Les Rivas, please
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: call LAPD two one three four eight six six eight
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  Speaker 1: nine zero.
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  Speaker 2: There will be justice in this case. Two one three
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  Speaker 2: four eight six six' eight nine.
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  Speaker 1: Zero you can either get involved be a part of the,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: solution or you can stand back and do nothing and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: be part of the. Problem tonight we remember An american,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Hero Officerjesus corona Of POLLIER, Pd, california just twenty nine
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  Speaker 1: killed in the line of, duty leaving behind his wife
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  Speaker 1: and a little. Girl An american, hero Officers
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, grace running off brid