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The Kenny Report | 25 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Our incredible shrinking prime minister drifting off towards an election
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Speaker 2: within weeks. I'll show you more evidence of his political weakness.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump on dictators as the world tries to work
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Speaker 2: out whether he's looking to appease Vladimir Putin or out
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Speaker 2: fox him. I'll cross to Christian Tate in the US.
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Speaker 2: In the Middle East, the ceasefire is holding, but what
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Speaker 2: happens next. I'll be joined by a former Israeli ambassador
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Speaker 2: to the US. Tim Blair joins me to discuss the
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Speaker 2: return of the V eight and Susio O'Brien and Stephen
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Speaker 2: Senna Tiempo on that welcome to country controversy. Just another
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Speaker 2: day in the life of the alban easy labor government,
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Speaker 2: a government that might have less than fifty days left.
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Speaker 2: The way things are going, the polls are down and
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Speaker 2: the spending is up so much so that we have
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Speaker 2: to worry that inflation will be pushed up again and
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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank will be forced to delay future rate
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Speaker 2: cuts or even push them up again. Given the billions
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Speaker 2: of dollars of extra spending. The unofficial election campaign is
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Speaker 2: already producing the first term of the Aarbeneze government has
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Speaker 2: increased government spending more than any first term government since
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Speaker 2: Gough Whitlam in the nineteen seventies, according to analysis by
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Speaker 2: the Australian Financial Review, with a one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 2: billion dollar spending spree that economists worn could lead to
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Speaker 2: higher taxes. Yeah, well, it will lead to higher taxes
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Speaker 2: and it could keep a lid on interest rates, keep
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Speaker 2: them higher for longer term. This reckless spending being rolled
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Speaker 2: out week after week is a clue to just how
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Speaker 2: desperately worried Labor is about losing the election. Another clue
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Speaker 2: is their attack on Peter Dutton today accusing him of
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Speaker 2: buying bank shares way back in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 2: mind you, just before the rud government announced a bank bailout.
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Speaker 3: Is Labor accusing opposition leader inside of training.
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Speaker 4: That's a matter for Peter Dutton to explain.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Prime Minister's happy for the smear to be
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Speaker 2: out there, but not too keen to be closely associated
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Speaker 2: with it himself. Last night, Alban Easy did what most
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Speaker 2: labor leaders do when they want some comfort and support
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Speaker 2: or a bit of a boost.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, welcome to Q and a good to be here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they turn up on the ABC and when this
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Speaker 2: PM does a question and answer session, there's one story
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Speaker 2: that always gets told.
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Speaker 4: I go up in a single parent household. I was
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Speaker 4: just me mum and she was an invalid pensionash.
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Speaker 2: Gee, I think we've heard that one before. I guess
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Speaker 2: that story will be recycled more often in the campaign
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Speaker 2: than the promise to deliver cheaper mortgages, reduce the cost
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Speaker 2: of living and cut power prices by two hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy five dollars a year. But it was on the
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Speaker 2: lack of action over anti Semitism where the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: encountered the most strife last night.
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister as a Jewish mother of four boys, when
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Speaker 5: will it be safe for us to openly identify as
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Speaker 5: Jews in Australia.
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Speaker 4: It certainly should be open to you every day today
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Speaker 4: and every day. The samples of anti semitism one would
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Speaker 4: be too many, but there have been far, far too many,
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Speaker 4: and it is frankly completely unacceptable that a young Jewish
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Speaker 4: person feels like they can't identify openly or wear their
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Speaker 4: school uniform on public transport around so It is something
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Speaker 4: that I think is a source of enormous regret. The
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Speaker 4: Governor's doing what we can, but again, this is an
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Speaker 4: issue which the whole of society has to address.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same old passive response from Albo, isn't
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Speaker 2: it all? This is happening around him? It seems he
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Speaker 2: doesn't understand the responsibility he has to lead.
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Speaker 5: I think that we just need to take a strong stance.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister needs to take a strong stance on this,
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Speaker 5: not just saying we're doing as much as we can,
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Speaker 5: because we're not.
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Speaker 4: We're been the first government to pass laws outlawing Nazi symbols,
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Speaker 4: we've been the first government to pass laws outlawing hate speech.
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Speaker 4: We have done in terms of the law, everything that
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Speaker 4: we have been requested to do.
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Speaker 2: He's done everything he's been requested to do. He just
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Speaker 2: doesn't get it, does he.
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Speaker 5: We are hurting. You're our prime minister, you're our leader.
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Speaker 5: There was hate speech at Lukember. Nothing was done. The
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Speaker 5: hate steecher happened on before after October seventh at the
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Speaker 5: Sydney Opera House. Nothing was done. We've suffered because nothing
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Speaker 5: was done. If you had have done something, then.
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Speaker 1: I just got the Prime Minister response. I understand you know.
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Speaker 4: I was on Insiders program regular on ABSC programs on
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Speaker 4: the Sunday morning after the October seven terrorist attacks. We
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Speaker 4: unequivocally condemned them. On the Monday, which was the next
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Speaker 4: day before the Opera House, I did media. I called
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Speaker 4: for that activity to not go ahead. Then on the
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Speaker 4: Tuesday morning, I did media condemning it unequivocally, again.
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Speaker 2: Really defending himself by pointing to what he said at
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Speaker 2: the time and how it was unequivocal. We've looked at it,
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Speaker 2: I've shown it to you before. It was the bare minimum.
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Speaker 2: In fact, it was striking for its lack of passion,
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Speaker 2: its lack of anger. There was a lack of disgust.
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Speaker 2: One of the most grotesque terrorist attacks in all of
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Speaker 2: human history.
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Speaker 4: Well, this is an abhorrent attack on Israel. This is
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Speaker 4: indiscriminate Sibelians being targeted, killed and murdered, and as well
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Speaker 4: many of them being taken as hostages. This is a
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Speaker 4: dreadful circumstance that people didn't see coming. Wasn't full shadowed
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Speaker 4: a shock attack. I spoke to the Australian, the Israeli
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Speaker 4: ambassador to Australia who's in Israel this morning, and he,
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Speaker 4: of course was very shaken, as you would expect.
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Speaker 1: And this action is ongoing. It must stop.
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Speaker 4: Israel has a right to defend itself, which is what
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Speaker 4: he is doing.
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Speaker 2: It's the absolute bare minimum he could say. You could
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Speaker 2: not say less than that in response to what happened,
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Speaker 2: And rather than get stronger and angrier as more facts
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Speaker 2: came in, Albanize remained weak. This is the response he's
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Speaker 2: referred us back to the next morning, after a Muslim
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Speaker 2: sheikh in Sydney led a group celebrating the Israeli terrorist slaughter.
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Speaker 4: Well, there's nothing to celebrate by the murder of innocent
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Speaker 4: Sevilians going about their day, for people who were some
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Speaker 4: of those who've been captured, young people who are attending
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Speaker 4: a rave, enjoying life, enjoying each other's company. There's nothing
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Speaker 4: to celebrate here.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing to celebrate, that's all he said. There's nothing
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Speaker 2: to celebrate the slaughter of innocence. Yet he had a
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Speaker 2: celebration the previous night in the streets of Sydney, describing
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Speaker 2: it as a slaughter, a day of victory. And he
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Speaker 2: just says we shouldn't celebrate these things. That's where Alberanzi
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Speaker 2: lost it. That's where he shows his total lack of
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Speaker 2: understanding of the requirement for leadership. That was one of
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Speaker 2: the most disgusting and worrying things I've ever seen on
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Speaker 2: any street in Australia. And the Prime Minister just said
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Speaker 2: that that's the response that Albanezi claims is evidence of
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Speaker 2: his strong response and leadership against antisemitism. It's just unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: It actually does the opposite, of course, it just demonstrates
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Speaker 2: how weak he's been. He claims to have a lifelong
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Speaker 2: record of railing against anti Semitism, yet we know as
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Speaker 2: an activist he joined protest accusing Israel of genocide and
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Speaker 2: even smearing the Israeli Defense Forces over the alleged targeting
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Speaker 2: of children Israel.
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Speaker 6: Truly oh well with helsle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I showed you last night that Albanezi gets angry
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Speaker 2: about all the wrong things. It's easy for him to
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Speaker 2: fire up back in those days against Israel, and he
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Speaker 2: always loves to fight tories. But we need a leader
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Speaker 2: who gets passionate about standing up for Australians. Just on
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Speaker 2: the ABC last night, their Media Watch program had to
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Speaker 2: go at the seven media empire in Western Australia for
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Speaker 2: focusing on star candidate Basil Zemplus in the Western Australian election.
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Speaker 7: Unlike nine ten and the ABC, seven opened its campaign
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Speaker 7: coverage that night with Basil the Beast.
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Speaker 2: With the election campaign now official, the Liberals have a
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Speaker 2: choice unleash the beast in Basil to take the fight
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Speaker 2: up to Labor.
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Speaker 7: But there's one little detail we should probably clarify at
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Speaker 7: this point. Basil Zempless is not in fact in the
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Speaker 7: race to be premier. So why is Basil Zemplss a
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Speaker 7: favorite of the seven Empire? Well, it might have something
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Speaker 7: to do with the fact that, for the past thirty
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Speaker 7: years barnstorming Basil has been a loyal employee of none
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Speaker 7: other than seven West Media, which with the West Australian
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Speaker 7: dominates the state's media landscape.
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Speaker 2: Oh I get it. The old media conspiracy is driving
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Speaker 2: the interest in Zemplss. Apparently, not that Zemplss is a
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Speaker 2: household name in Western Australia. That wouldn't have anything to
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Speaker 2: do with it, would it. I mean, he was a
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Speaker 2: waffle footballer, then he was a local television sports presenter,
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Speaker 2: then a national sports commentator, then a national television host
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Speaker 2: and then Lord Mayor of Perth. You don't think any
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Speaker 2: of that would count when it comes to political name
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Speaker 2: recognition and interest. Do you think Zemplsts warrants some prominent
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Speaker 2: coverage given that winning history, especially given the Western Australian
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Speaker 2: Liberals have only three MP's in the Lower House, so
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Speaker 2: getting Basil Zempleas into Parliament won't just lift their profile,
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Speaker 2: it will boost their presence by twenty five percent. This
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Speaker 2: is just the ABC being silly, of course, probably because
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Speaker 2: they don't never get a chance to boost their own
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Speaker 2: or do they, Zoey Daniel, Welcome to the program, Mining David.
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Speaker 8: The sitting MP Tim Wilson is facing a well funded
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Speaker 8: challenge from Zoey Daniel. She's one of those so called
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Speaker 8: teer independents and she's a former ABC journalist. We once
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Speaker 8: worked together in the same newsroom.
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Speaker 7: I never expected to run for policy and I certainly
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Speaker 7: wouldn't have run for either of the major parties.
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Speaker 3: I think with the background that I have, I am
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Speaker 3: a good fit for this.
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Speaker 2: The tel independent candidate Zoey Daniel, who is a former
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Speaker 2: ABC reporter. Zoey Daniel, who has won the seed of
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Speaker 2: Goldstein from Tim Wilson, the former ABC journalist now to
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Speaker 2: become an MP. Welcome to the program. Congratulations on your victory.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look.
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Speaker 9: At Zoey Daniel's victory over Tim.
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Speaker 10: Wilson, Independent MP. Zoey Daniel reported on Me and My extensively,
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Speaker 10: is the ABC's Southeast Asia correspondent and has been pushing
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Speaker 10: the federal government to do more to tackle the crisis.
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Speaker 10: Zoe Daniel, Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 2: Ah, there you go. They did find one of their own,
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Speaker 2: probably more. Remember it's not our ABC, it's not your ABC,
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Speaker 2: it's their ABC. Let's go to Canberra and catch up
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Speaker 2: with Dave Shamer, Liberal Senator for New South Wales. Good
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Speaker 2: to talk to you, Dave. A lot of speculation around
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Speaker 2: on the election date today. If it was to be
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Speaker 2: called this weekend, it would be April the fifth. Andrew Clanell,
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Speaker 2: our political editor, says, Cabinet's been scheduled for Monday, so
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Speaker 2: that means the election must be called the week after,
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Speaker 2: right for April the twelfth.
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Speaker 11: I think that sounds right on my calculations, but I
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Speaker 11: can't say I can add a whole lot of insighter
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Speaker 11: wisdom to the speculation. Chris I didn't necessarily expect to
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Speaker 11: be here in camera this week the Senate sitting for estimates,
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Speaker 11: but Albanizi is not called an election yet and until
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Speaker 11: he does, the Parliament operates as usual, business operates as usual.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's the same old gently. Yeah, just on
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Speaker 2: the election, Just seeing Zoe Daniel there, it occurs to
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Speaker 2: me that you know, you have a good understanding of
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Speaker 2: how the tills operate because of you. Of course you
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Speaker 2: won the seat of Wentworth and then lost it to
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Speaker 2: to Allegra Spender, so you understand how they work and
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Speaker 2: the issues involved. Do you think of this election the
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Speaker 2: Liberals will be able to pull back some of those
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Speaker 2: till seats, even just a couple.
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Speaker 11: I think we will because I think they came in
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Speaker 11: on a whole lot of I think quite vacuous promises
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Speaker 11: about politics done differently, and you know, every aspiration realized
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Speaker 11: without any trade offs, and I think what the electorate
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Speaker 11: has seen with all of them is they've been a
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Speaker 11: colossal disappointment. They haven't achieved what they've said they're going
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Speaker 11: to achieve. Like every politician or every political party, they've
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Speaker 11: been forced into making trade offs between competing objectives. Politics
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Speaker 11: is not being done differently because of their presence. In fact,
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Speaker 11: they're accentuating some of the worst traits of politics, like
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Speaker 11: a huge money determining the fate of elections and huge
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Speaker 11: spending and donors influencing the outcome of elections. So I think,
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Speaker 11: you know, the electorate has at least, you know, the
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Speaker 11: people I spect to have kind of got buyer's remorse
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Speaker 11: with a lot of these I think, particularly.
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Speaker 2: When you look at Zoe Daniel and Monique Ryan, both
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Speaker 2: in those Melbourne seats. They also portrayed themselves as almost
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Speaker 2: a smaller Liberals and they've been exposed over the three
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Speaker 2: years to as what they obviously are, and that is
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Speaker 2: more like Greens. They're hard left Greens rather than the
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Speaker 2: center right or smaller Liberals. We'll see what transpires there.
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Speaker 2: Let's get to your side of politics, and the coalition
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Speaker 2: already labor going in hard for a scare campaign about
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Speaker 2: what you've said you'll do and what you might do.
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Speaker 2: Here's the Prime Minister today.
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Speaker 4: He said he or slash thirty six thousand public servants.
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Speaker 4: That means less purple providing support for our veterans, less
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Speaker 4: purple providing the support that Austrange and perhaps more robodebt
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Speaker 4: being brought back as well. These are frontline jobs assisting Australians.
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Speaker 2: Can you lose thirty six thousand public servants out of
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Speaker 2: Canberra and people not fill the pins around the country?
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Speaker 11: You certainly can, Chris, I think ask yourself the reverse question.
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Speaker 11: Has anyone noticed anything improving because Labor has employed an
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Speaker 11: extra thirty six thousand public people's lives better?
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Speaker 2: Maybe some of the cafes around the Parliamentary Triangle in Melbourne.
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Speaker 11: Restaurants restaurants in Canberra doing better, But I don't think
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Speaker 11: anyone has. You know, if you look at any metric here,
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Speaker 11: people's lives have gotten progressively worse, including things that Labor claims.
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Speaker 11: You know, they to them themselves to be the best
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Speaker 11: guardians of Medicare bulk billing rates. I mean Medicare bolk
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Speaker 11: billing rates went up every year under the Coalition. They
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Speaker 11: have gone down every year under Labor. So they talk
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Speaker 11: about frontline services. They're employing more people in offices in
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Speaker 11: Canberra and where the rubber hits the road, where people
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Speaker 11: encounter the federal government, you know, service times, wait times
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Speaker 11: or costs increasing just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Before I let you go, would you be in favor
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Speaker 2: if the Coalition were to win government, of all of
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Speaker 2: the ministers getting their departments to send out an email
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Speaker 2: to all those public servants asking them what they've done
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Speaker 2: in the last week.
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Speaker 11: Well, I'm certainly in favor of conducting a root and
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Speaker 11: branch review and seeing, you know, just because you inherit
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Speaker 11: the public service a particular way, there have been divisions, departments,
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Speaker 11: functions created under this Labor government that I think we
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Speaker 11: would want to have a close look at as the Coalition.
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Speaker 11: I don't think that would necessarily go down to the
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Speaker 11: individual level, but I think we want to be looking
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Speaker 11: at what is the public service doing. How are we
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Speaker 11: spending government money, which is ultimately taxpayers money right absolutely,
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Speaker 11: and are we getting the best value for money out
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Speaker 11: of it as we possibly can?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the aim. Thanks for joining us, Dave, I
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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Dave Shama there in Canberra. Wouldn't it be
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Speaker 2: great to see that email going out around the Australian
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Speaker 2: public service? Exactly what have you done this week? What
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Speaker 2: have you achieved? To Tim Blair now from the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: joining us from the Wimra in Victoria. Tim, good to
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Speaker 2: talk to you. I just wanted to get your assessment
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Speaker 2: first up. About Albow. I've talked about his weaknesses. You
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Speaker 2: and I have chatted on air about his mistakes and
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Speaker 2: weaknesses for a long while. The polls are really terrible
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Speaker 2: for him at the moment because they're all trending in
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Speaker 2: the wrong direction. He seems to be floundering. He seems
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Speaker 2: to just I would say that the biggest word for
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Speaker 2: me with Albau is just weakness. I can't think of
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Speaker 2: one issue, one idea where he's actually shown strength and leadership.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, he's not even losing properly in the labor tradition.
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Speaker 9: You know, people are making comparisons with the Whitlam a
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Speaker 9: lot these days on the right hand side of politics
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Speaker 9: and saying, you know, he's as bad as Will, but
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Speaker 9: it's a different quality of bad. At least, Whitlam lost
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Speaker 9: spectacularly with some majesty, some sort of level of gravitas
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Speaker 9: that Albo just loses. He loses small. He even lost
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Speaker 9: a cricket game today for God's sake, in the backyard
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Speaker 9: at the Curable House.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got vision of that.
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Speaker 9: Here we go. Please, let's have a look at it.
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Speaker 9: Let's have a look at that debarkle of the debarcle
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Speaker 9: of a batting grip that he's got. I think he was.
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Speaker 9: He was joined by Reagun. Look at that, Come on,
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Speaker 9: that was an edge. By the way, there's Reygun who
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Speaker 9: is to rap dancing as albow is to cricket. Evidently
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Speaker 9: Toto twelfth man as usual, just not getting a shot.
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Speaker 9: Look at that grips usually I haven't seen that since
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Speaker 9: there was a great Pakistani batch from the mid seventies
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Speaker 9: who could make that work, but no one else. And
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Speaker 9: are they wearing Are they wearing mega hats?
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Speaker 2: By the way, from a distance they looked like mega hats.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately not But yeah, Raygun was there, So that's not
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Speaker 2: a good omen. But just going back to this spot,
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Speaker 2: that's that's a brilliant insight winning small Because I mentioned
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Speaker 2: at the top, no government has increased spending by as
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Speaker 2: much as this government since since Whitlam. But Windlam had
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Speaker 2: grand plans. Some of them were desired, but some are
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Speaker 2: judged by history to have been very historically good things
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Speaker 2: to do, like recognizing China for instance, and the like.
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Speaker 2: But outmost done nothing, as you say, all is spending
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Speaker 2: for no good. All of this political pain for no achievement.
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Speaker 9: And the one thing he's going to have going through
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Speaker 9: though in the election, and it is it's the weight
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Speaker 9: of history. We haven't voted out a first term, full
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Speaker 9: term government in a long time, since I got ninety
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Speaker 9: odd years ago. As John Howard always used to point out,
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Speaker 9: they even re elected Whitlam. That's how forgiving Australian publics are.
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Speaker 9: They would give a dud government another go. If that
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Speaker 9: has changed, and we've seen a lot of changes lately
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Speaker 9: in the way politics are structured here with our revolving
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Speaker 9: to a prime ministerial policy. If that has changed out
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Speaker 9: there's going to be the first to know, isn't he.
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Speaker 2: I think it's changed already. I think effectively. Tony Abott
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Speaker 2: won in two thousand and ten and it's only Windsor
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Speaker 2: and oak Shop being going against their electorates that meant
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Speaker 2: it didn't happen. But we will see. Just on matters vehicular,
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Speaker 2: the V eights are coming back. EV sales are going down,
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Speaker 2: so some of the manufacturers are think it's time to
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Speaker 2: bring back V eights. Isn't that a turnaround? In my world?
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Speaker 9: Chris, they never left. There's some great bargains. By the way,
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Speaker 9: if people want to snap up old V eights just
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Speaker 9: to go scoping out your car sales or other online sites,
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Speaker 9: type in V eight as you as your search and
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Speaker 9: go load to high and you'll find some real rip
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Speaker 9: of deals. V eights They last long time, you didn't
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Speaker 9: have to recharge them with batteries that kill kill long
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Speaker 9: term EV use as well.
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Speaker 2: So some of the EV users are so embarrassed about
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Speaker 2: the evs these days that they're labeling there's a there's
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Speaker 2: a cyber trucks with with Toyota badge across the back
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Speaker 2: and Tesla's dressed up as as masters. I think we've
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Speaker 2: got some pictures of them here, So I don't know
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Speaker 2: what it says about your car choice when you have
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Speaker 2: to hide it.
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Speaker 9: Well, this is this is a left on left war,
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Speaker 9: isn't it. The people who generally bought Tesla's were kind of,
22:04
Speaker 9: you know, rich lefties, and now they're being attacked by
22:07
Speaker 9: people who are again from the left, who despise Tesla's
22:10
Speaker 9: because of obviously the ownership Elon Musk. But this is
22:13
Speaker 9: reminiscent of what a lot of European, a lot of
22:16
Speaker 9: wealthy Europeans did in the seventies that would take the
22:19
Speaker 9: badges off their fancy BMW's and Mercedes bend so they
22:22
Speaker 9: wouldn't become the target of kidnapping. So yeah, we don't
22:26
Speaker 9: want to see it things go quite that far. In fact,
22:28
Speaker 9: any kind of vandalism or car attacks are regrettable. And
22:32
Speaker 9: as usual lefties just go the violent way straight away,
22:34
Speaker 9: don't they.
22:35
Speaker 2: And they're talking about lefties, I want to show you
22:37
Speaker 2: one very sad young lefty that is Greta Tumberg who
22:41
Speaker 2: used to campaign about the climate. Now she's out there
22:44
Speaker 2: the whole time against Israel.
22:46
Speaker 12: Have a look, Yes, the man that most must stop
22:50
Speaker 12: all the transportation of weapons and women components Israel, but
22:54
Speaker 12: they must terminate all contract and investments that's support the
22:58
Speaker 12: genocide and an occrepation of Palace and that most.
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Speaker 2: You know, I can't be flippant about this, tim It
23:07
Speaker 2: just breaks my heart to see someone like that and
23:09
Speaker 2: to think about it, all the horrors that would operate
23:12
Speaker 2: under Islamist Hamas rule in Gaza, the life she would
23:17
Speaker 2: have or what she'd be subjected to, Yet she gives
23:19
Speaker 2: these people her support.
23:23
Speaker 9: You're exactly right. Following the murders of infants, you know,
23:28
Speaker 9: the brutal murder of three year old and one year
23:30
Speaker 9: old children that we've become aware of in the last
23:33
Speaker 9: few days. A lot of people, myself included, have moved
23:38
Speaker 9: on from supporting you know, at least in passing we've
23:42
Speaker 9: generally indicated we like the idea of a two state solution. Well,
23:46
Speaker 9: I kind of like the idea of a two state
23:47
Speaker 9: solution even more now. But it's one big state of
23:50
Speaker 9: Israel and a smaller state of Israel next to it.
23:53
Speaker 9: That for me, right now is a two state solution
23:55
Speaker 9: we can go with.
23:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, just thrightening, isn't it that young people are that
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Speaker 2: can be so deliberately ignorant? Thanks for joining us, Tim,
24:03
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you ladder in the week. Tim
24:06
Speaker 2: Blair there joining us alive from Victoria. He's with the
24:09
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraphing read his column each week. We're going to
24:12
Speaker 2: take a break on the other side and of the
24:13
Speaker 2: stay on the Middle East. IM gonna catch up with
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Speaker 2: Michael Orn who's the former Israeli ambassador to the United States.
24:23
Speaker 2: The first six week stage of the ceasefire in the
24:26
Speaker 2: Middle East has only got a week to run, and
24:28
Speaker 2: the US Special Envoy is on his way to the
24:30
Speaker 2: regent to negotiate further progress. Meanwhile, the UN continues with
24:35
Speaker 2: its game of false equivalence. Here's the latest from Fox News.
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Speaker 6: UN Secretary General Antonio Guitaris, in an address before the
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Speaker 6: fifty eighth Human Rights Council in Geneva, warned he is
24:48
Speaker 6: gravely concerned over the rising violence in the occupied West
24:52
Speaker 6: Bank and human rights violations in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Violations of human rights have skyrocketed since eurific effects of
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Speaker 2: October seven and the indolerable levels of vess and destruction
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Speaker 2: in Gaza.
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Speaker 6: This as a mass threatens to derail cease fire deal
25:09
Speaker 6: talks with Israel, saying further steps are conditional on Palestinian
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Speaker 6: prisoners being freed as agreed.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so we're to next. Let's get some insights from
25:20
Speaker 2: former Israeli Ambassador to the US Michael Oran, who joins
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Speaker 2: us from Sydney CBDA. Thanks for joining us, Michael, is
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Speaker 2: so much I'd like to pick your brains about But
25:29
Speaker 2: why don't I start in chronological order and talk about
25:33
Speaker 2: the security failure of Israel right at the start. I
25:36
Speaker 2: don't think there's been enough focus on this. We're aware
25:39
Speaker 2: on this program of the absolute horrors of the terrorist
25:43
Speaker 2: atrocities conducted by Hamas back on October the seventh, twenty
25:47
Speaker 2: twenty three. But with border posts and military outposts and
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Speaker 2: surveillance and security in that part of Israel, how could
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Speaker 2: it possibly been allowed to succeed to such an horrific level.
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Speaker 13: Good to be with you, Chris, And that's the opening
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Speaker 13: over the really hard questions, the question that always Reeli
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Speaker 13: has asked himself.
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Speaker 1: How could we have been shocked taken off garden that way?
26:08
Speaker 1: Where was the army?
26:09
Speaker 13: Why the army takes so many hours to respond? And
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Speaker 13: the answers are not just so simple. I was in
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Speaker 13: government in the period before the war, and I know
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Speaker 13: that it was almost across the board agreement within the
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Speaker 13: Israeli government, between the political and the military echelon, that
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Speaker 13: Hamas could be bought off. If you Ghamas got money
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Speaker 13: money from Qatar, if you let in twenty thousand Palestinian
26:30
Speaker 13: workers into Israel every day.
26:31
Speaker 1: Then Hamas would have something to lose.
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Speaker 13: We would incentivize Hamas basically not to be a jihadish
26:37
Speaker 13: terrorist organization.
26:38
Speaker 1: And it proved to be false.
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Speaker 13: Also, the army had been preparing for a different, completely
26:43
Speaker 13: different type of war. The army had become leaner, heavily
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Speaker 13: dependent on technology, and rather dismissive of Palestinian's capabilities.
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Speaker 1: Most of the focus was on his.
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Speaker 13: Bullah in the North, which was in fact a much
26:56
Speaker 13: greater threat with one hundred and seventy thousand rockets and
26:58
Speaker 13: probably one hundred thousand terrorists under arms.
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Speaker 1: Hamas didn't seem to be that competent, so people just.
27:04
Speaker 13: All the time underestimated Hamas's viciousness, the fact that it
27:08
Speaker 13: didn't care about getting money, it didn't care about the
27:11
Speaker 13: safety and well being of these Palestinian workers, was willing
27:14
Speaker 13: basically to just do devastate the godless strip in order
27:17
Speaker 13: to kill, rape, burn, behead and capture Jews. That is
27:21
Speaker 13: the bottom line, Chris, and we've had to learn a
27:24
Speaker 13: very very painful lesson.
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Speaker 1: But Israel snap back very very quickly.
27:28
Speaker 13: The army enlisted three hundred and sixty thousand reservists. That
27:32
Speaker 13: would be the equivalent here of about a million Australians,
27:34
Speaker 13: roughly about the same number Australians who fought all in
27:37
Speaker 13: World War Two.
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Speaker 1: They were enlisted within a week and they went out
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Speaker 1: to fought fight and by.
27:42
Speaker 13: All military criteria, it was one of the great military
27:46
Speaker 13: victories of all time.
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Speaker 2: You know, let's talk about what's ensued from there, because
27:50
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Hamas as an Islamistry hardest outfit, and
27:54
Speaker 2: to me, this is a fundamental point that tends to
27:58
Speaker 2: lead to the contradictions and ignorance and hate speech we
28:04
Speaker 2: get around the world because the anti Israel protesters and
28:07
Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian protesters, if you like, continually try to
28:12
Speaker 2: portray Hamas as some sort of legitimate liberation force for
28:17
Speaker 2: the Palestinian people when it's not.
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Speaker 7: Is it.
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Speaker 2: It's an Islamist extremist, jihadist outfit has been since the
28:25
Speaker 2: get go, and tends to use the plight of the
28:27
Speaker 2: police Palestinian people to achieve that goal. To follow that lead.
28:34
Speaker 2: Explain the difference to us and what it means.
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Speaker 1: Well, the word Palestine doesn't even appear in the name. Hummas.
28:41
Speaker 13: Hamas is an Arabic acronym for the Islamic liberation woman.
28:45
Speaker 13: It's to transform Palestine as they see it, into an
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Speaker 13: Islamic state, and then that Islamic state will expand across
28:51
Speaker 13: the Middle East, and then from the Middle East it
28:53
Speaker 13: will encompass the entire globe and recreate a medieval Islamic
28:58
Speaker 13: kingdom under a caliphate. And in that way, Hamas is
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Speaker 13: no different than Isis, no different than Al Qaeda, no
29:04
Speaker 13: different than the Muslim Brotherhood. Amos is actually an offshoot
29:06
Speaker 13: of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Speaker 1: It's the same. It's not so much an ideological ideology.
29:10
Speaker 1: Chris is a theology.
29:13
Speaker 13: And so they are determined to destroy Israel, to kill
29:16
Speaker 13: its inhabitants.
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Speaker 1: They are not in favor of a two state solution.
29:20
Speaker 1: They reject the two state solution.
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Speaker 13: I've been involved in Israeli public affairs now for over
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Speaker 13: thirty years. I started as an advisor to get jak Rabin.
29:27
Speaker 13: I've been involved in the peace process. Every time we
29:30
Speaker 13: made any type of progress toward peace, Hamas came out
29:33
Speaker 13: and not only killed Israelis, killed Palestinians.
29:36
Speaker 1: Any Palestinians in favor.
29:37
Speaker 13: Of peace was thrown off a rooftop by Hamas and
29:41
Speaker 13: Gaza and had his body dragged through the streets of
29:44
Speaker 13: Gaza with a motorcycle. That is Hamas and these people
29:48
Speaker 13: are out protesting for Hamis and think it's a peace organization.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a Palestinian nationalist organization.
29:54
Speaker 13: Are all wrong, And if they had had these protests
29:57
Speaker 13: in Gaza, the same people would today be dead.
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Speaker 2: So look at the situation we have today, a peace
30:05
Speaker 2: fire that's tenuous, that is holding for a while. Most
30:08
Speaker 2: of the hostages, dead or alive, have been returned to Israel,
30:12
Speaker 2: but there is still more than fifty outstanding again, dead
30:16
Speaker 2: and alive. A horrible, macabre trading that's going on. But
30:21
Speaker 2: Humas are clearly still in control, openly parading their soldiers
30:25
Speaker 2: now heavily armed and faces masks in Gaza. What happens next,
30:30
Speaker 2: because clearly Humas needs to be removed from Gaza. How
30:35
Speaker 2: can how can this peace be made permanent? And how
30:41
Speaker 2: can you also control it runs influence over all of this.
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Speaker 13: All excellent questions, thank you, Chris. In fact, the matter
30:50
Speaker 13: is there are a number of day after scenarios. There's
30:53
Speaker 13: an Egyptian Society proposal. You've all heard about the Trump
30:55
Speaker 13: proposal about transforming Gaza into a Mediterranean review era.
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Speaker 1: They all sound very good on paper.
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Speaker 13: The fact that that has nothing, nothing can happen in
31:04
Speaker 13: Gaza for the reconstruction of Gaza, the transformation of Gaza
31:08
Speaker 13: into a peaceful area, peaceful neighbor for the state of Israel,
31:11
Speaker 13: as long as Hamas is there and long as Hamas
31:13
Speaker 13: has the guns. Israel killed about twenty thousand terrorists during
31:17
Speaker 13: this war. Ten thousand are still there. You see them
31:19
Speaker 13: in these pictures. They still have the guns, and they
31:22
Speaker 13: still have they still have our hostages, about thirty hossages
31:25
Speaker 13: we believe are left alive. We have to get them
31:27
Speaker 13: back and willing to pay a very steep price to
31:29
Speaker 13: get them back. But at the end of the day,
31:31
Speaker 13: nothing will happen with Gaza as long as Hamas was
31:33
Speaker 13: there and not demilitarized. And frankly, there's only one way
31:37
Speaker 13: to militarize Hamas, and that's through the Israeli army. But
31:40
Speaker 13: the ultimate ultimate criteria four for transforming Gaza into a
31:46
Speaker 13: peaceful area is by addressing the Iranian threat, because Iran
31:49
Speaker 13: is responsible for ninety nine percent of all the violence.
31:52
Speaker 1: Throughout the entire Middle East.
31:54
Speaker 13: They're the backer of his Bullah, of the hoodies in Yemen,
31:57
Speaker 13: the Shite militias in Iraq and Syria, and of course
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Speaker 13: Hamas in Gaza, and so Israel.
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Speaker 1: With the United States.
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Speaker 13: I don't know whether it's a it's physically with the
32:06
Speaker 13: United States or diplomatically with the United States. We'll have
32:09
Speaker 13: to address the Iranian threat. And once you address the
32:11
Speaker 13: Iranian threat, the Harmas Hizbala, all these terrorist organizations will
32:15
Speaker 13: be cut off from their main supplier and their will
32:19
Speaker 13: wither on the vine.
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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, that's the big picture game for the US, Israel,
32:25
Speaker 2: and countries like Australia supporting it hopefully. Thanks for joining us, Michael,
32:29
Speaker 2: fantastic to get your analysis.
32:33
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris, thank you for having me Mike.
32:35
Speaker 2: Doctor Michael Uren there, the former Israeli Ambassador to the
32:39
Speaker 2: United States. Now still to come, we'll head to the
32:42
Speaker 2: US as Donald Trump refuses to call Vladimir Putin a dictator,
32:50
Speaker 2: We'll go to Kristen Tate in a moment, but first
32:53
Speaker 2: let's get the latest from the White House Press Secretary
32:55
Speaker 2: Caroline Levett explaining what the President's been up to. In
32:59
Speaker 2: this week's Mega Minute on the.
33:02
Speaker 14: Border, President Trump signed the Lake and Riley acton to law.
33:05
Speaker 14: We've seen nearly ninety five percent drop in the number
33:09
Speaker 14: of US border patrol encounters on our southern border, and
33:12
Speaker 14: our efforts have been so successful they've caused the shuttering
33:16
Speaker 14: of migrant shelters and would be illegal immigrants to return
33:19
Speaker 14: home before even attempting to enter our country. On the economy,
33:24
Speaker 14: Doge has cut billions of dollars of fraud, waste, and
33:27
Speaker 14: abuse throughout the entire federal government. The President established an
33:31
Speaker 14: Energy Dominance Council, unbanned offshore drilling and has instructed our
33:36
Speaker 14: federal government to drill baby drill. He also imposed reciprocal
33:40
Speaker 14: terrorists that finally put American interests first. The President also
33:44
Speaker 14: created a working group to investigate politically motivated lawfare, put
33:49
Speaker 14: an end to men in women's sports, fired the Kennedy
33:52
Speaker 14: Center Board, Go Woke, Go Broke, We're going to make
33:55
Speaker 14: it great again, and has essentially ended DEI throughout our
33:59
Speaker 14: federal government. It's been a historic and successful first month
34:03
Speaker 14: here at the White House. We'll see you for next
34:05
Speaker 14: week's Maga Minute.
34:07
Speaker 2: Only a few weeks in and the Maga minute is
34:10
Speaker 2: already a rap of the month. I ask Kristen tight
34:13
Speaker 2: whether this shows the President is slowing down.
34:17
Speaker 15: Yeah, I hope he's not slowing down. We've got a
34:20
Speaker 15: lot to get done. I mean, we have four years
34:22
Speaker 15: to get this country back on track. You know, it
34:24
Speaker 15: shouldn't be a big win to get rid of DEI.
34:27
Speaker 15: Because DEI never should have been there in the first place.
34:29
Speaker 15: It's flagrant racism. It shouldn't be considered this huge win
34:33
Speaker 15: to prevent men from playing in women's sports.
34:36
Speaker 1: It's ludicrous.
34:37
Speaker 15: So these are all fantastic things, and I think Trump's
34:40
Speaker 15: just getting started. He's not going to slow down.
34:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating. He needs someone with your passion in the office.
34:46
Speaker 2: I hope you're firing in those missives to them as well.
34:49
Speaker 2: Just on the international affairs, Donald Trump is promising that
34:53
Speaker 2: he could deliver a peace in Ukraine in coming weeks now,
34:57
Speaker 2: right around the world, we would welcome that, but a
34:59
Speaker 2: lot of these trick is troubling. I find that worrisome
35:02
Speaker 2: as well, although we need to see where it ends up.
35:04
Speaker 2: But have a look at this. When he declared that
35:07
Speaker 2: Vladimir Zelenski was a dictator, he's pretty easy, pretty easy,
35:14
Speaker 2: a dictator without elections.
35:16
Speaker 1: Zelensky better move faster. He's not going to have a
35:19
Speaker 1: country left.
35:19
Speaker 2: Got to move got to move fast because that war
35:22
Speaker 2: is going in the wrong direction.
35:25
Speaker 10: Now.
35:25
Speaker 2: It's pretty tough referring to Zelenski as a dictator when
35:28
Speaker 2: he's an elected Democratic leader. And the New York Post
35:31
Speaker 2: we're going to have a look at this showed Donald
35:34
Speaker 2: Trump what a real dictator looks like. That is Vladimir Putin,
35:37
Speaker 2: who's manipulated the Russian system for decades to remain in control.
35:42
Speaker 2: Yet in his latest foray into this area today, the
35:45
Speaker 2: president has refused to call Putin a dictator. Have a look,
35:51
Speaker 2: I don't use those words lately. I think that we're
35:54
Speaker 2: going to see how it all works out.
35:55
Speaker 5: Let's see what happens.
35:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is troubling, isn't it.
35:59
Speaker 2: Christian.
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Speaker 15: Well, look, I think Trump clearly understands that Putin's no angel,
36:05
Speaker 15: but there's probably no strategic benefit right now for Trump
36:10
Speaker 15: to call Kutin a dictetor Remember, Trump has been a
36:14
Speaker 15: guy who has negotiated billion dollar deals. He literally wrote
36:18
Speaker 15: a book called The Art of the Deal. Fantastic book,
36:20
Speaker 15: by the way. He's one of the world's greatest negotiators.
36:24
Speaker 15: And let's not forget at the same time, Zelenski is
36:26
Speaker 15: not really the.
36:27
Speaker 1: Poster boy for democracy.
36:29
Speaker 15: He did cancel elections in his country, he has imprisoned
36:32
Speaker 15: his political rivals, and he's amassed great wealth from the
36:37
Speaker 15: United States and all these other nations sending him boatloads
36:40
Speaker 15: of cash. I mean, the United States has approved one
36:43
Speaker 15: hundred and seventy five billion dollars to Ukraine at a
36:46
Speaker 15: time when our country is thirty six trillion dollars in debt,
36:50
Speaker 15: and we're now paying more in interest to that debt
36:52
Speaker 15: than our own defense, and not all that money is
36:56
Speaker 15: going to the war efforts.
36:57
Speaker 1: By the way, we are literally.
36:58
Speaker 15: Paying for you Ukraine government bureaucrat salaries, We're paying for
37:04
Speaker 15: teachers salaries, we are paying for small businesses in Ukraine
37:07
Speaker 15: to keep them afloat. You know, our politicians were fine
37:10
Speaker 15: when our small business is all shut down during COVID,
37:13
Speaker 15: but hey, you can't let the Ukraine businesses shut down.
37:16
Speaker 15: So I think a lot of people are getting very
37:18
Speaker 15: frustrated with Ukraine. But no, I mean, I share your thoughts.
37:22
Speaker 15: I just don't know if there's a strategic benefit to
37:25
Speaker 15: Trump going after Putin by calling him a dictator right now.
37:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Ukraine gets a blank check. But
37:31
Speaker 2: there are concerns about appeasement of Russia, and a lot
37:35
Speaker 2: of the language sounded like that. But luck you, I
37:38
Speaker 2: have an open mind. I'll white and see how this
37:40
Speaker 2: plies out, because I think obviously Donald Trump's looking at
37:44
Speaker 2: a deal. He's going to meet with Zelenski in Washington
37:46
Speaker 2: within the next few weeks hopefully, and if he can
37:48
Speaker 2: actually broak a tough pace deal here that looks after
37:52
Speaker 2: Ukraine and keeps Russia by then, obviously it'll be a
37:55
Speaker 2: historic victory. We'll whiten see. But understandably concerns around the world.
38:00
Speaker 2: One issue with Trump and his doge master Elon Musk
38:05
Speaker 2: of getting a unadorned praise from people like me around
38:08
Speaker 2: the world, Kristen, is their efforts to get rid of
38:12
Speaker 2: waste and government. And this email, this idea of sending
38:15
Speaker 2: an email out to bureaucrats and public servants asking them
38:19
Speaker 2: what they've done in the last week. Here's Donald Trump
38:22
Speaker 2: on that we have.
38:24
Speaker 13: People that don't show up to work and nobody even
38:26
Speaker 13: knows if they work.
38:27
Speaker 2: For the government.
38:28
Speaker 16: So by asking the question, tell us what you did
38:30
Speaker 16: this week, what he's doing is saying are you actually working?
38:34
Speaker 16: And then if you don't answer, like you're sort of
38:37
Speaker 16: semi fired or you fired, Kristin.
38:40
Speaker 2: This is just so obvious and so right, but there
38:44
Speaker 2: are so many leftists around the world up at arms
38:47
Speaker 2: about it.
38:48
Speaker 1: Oh, I know this had to happen.
38:50
Speaker 15: I mean the government is by far the largest employer
38:53
Speaker 15: in the United States. I wrote an entire book about
38:55
Speaker 15: it called Government Gone Wild. It is nearly impossible until
38:59
Speaker 15: now to fire anyone in the federal government. You can
39:03
Speaker 15: basically be one hundred percent incompetent and not get fired
39:07
Speaker 15: for it. And the opulence and wealth surrounding.
39:11
Speaker 2: DC is just disgusting.
39:14
Speaker 15: These government bureaucrats have been so used to just getting
39:17
Speaker 15: paid and kind of just doing nothing in many cases
39:21
Speaker 15: that it makes their heads explode. It makes them furious
39:25
Speaker 15: that there might be some shred of accountability.
39:29
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Christian. We need to get
39:31
Speaker 2: you out to Australia. You need to write another book
39:34
Speaker 2: about a little place called the Australian Capital Territory. Catch
39:38
Speaker 2: you next week.
39:39
Speaker 1: I would love to thank you. Chris.
39:42
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, have a look at the size of government
39:45
Speaker 2: in Australia, especially in the ICT. Now coming up after
39:48
Speaker 2: the break, Cesio Brian and Stephen Cinny Tampai on plenty,
39:51
Speaker 2: including election speculation and the controversy over that acknowledgment to country.
40:02
Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the top of the show, the
40:04
Speaker 2: election speculation is heating up. If Labor are going to
40:07
Speaker 2: skip a budget. There are really only two options left,
40:10
Speaker 2: call it this weekend for April fifth, or the following
40:14
Speaker 2: weekend for April the twelfth. Now. Sky News political editor
40:17
Speaker 2: Andrew Clonel reported today that the PM has called a
40:21
Speaker 2: cabinet meeting for Monday, which suggested April the fifth is
40:25
Speaker 2: out of the question. Then again, he could always call
40:28
Speaker 2: the election and scrap the meeting. Who knows that I'm
40:31
Speaker 2: sticking with the date I've been on since way back.
40:35
Speaker 2: Some insiders are now focusing on April the twelfth as
40:38
Speaker 2: a possible election date. It's going to be a long campaign.
40:43
Speaker 2: I reckon put a circle around April the twelfth, right
40:46
Speaker 2: in the middle of gather Round unfortunately, but we'll see. Yeah,
40:51
Speaker 2: mucking up gather Round is going to be a bummer
40:53
Speaker 2: for some of us. But it's the last possible date,
40:55
Speaker 2: the last plausible date that you can go to the
40:58
Speaker 2: election without delivering a budget, and that's why I've always
41:02
Speaker 2: favored it. And with labors reckless spending and debt, you'd
41:05
Speaker 2: think that's the last thing they want to do is
41:07
Speaker 2: deliver a budget. Let's go to the panel now and
41:10
Speaker 2: joining us as ever from Melbourne is a SUSI O'Brien
41:14
Speaker 2: from the Herald Sun. And in Canberra we've got Steven Center,
41:16
Speaker 2: tempo breakfast host. There it's due two double c Are
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Speaker 2: you getting all your social engagements in order? Now? Are
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Speaker 2: you SUSI for an April twelve election?
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Speaker 3: I love seeing those clips off. You're going back a
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Speaker 3: year or more? Are you doing at Carl Steff and
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Speaker 3: I been wearing the same suit for a year. I'm
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Speaker 3: thinking that's what you're trying to do well.
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Speaker 2: I do actually wear the same suit jacket every night
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Speaker 2: now and it's pretty casual below the desk. But there
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Speaker 2: you go. You're on to me, but this you'd be
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Speaker 2: into it there Stephen all over Canberra. Obviously there'll be
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Speaker 2: a lot of focus on when it's actually going to happen.
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Speaker 2: The public servants can't wait for the caretaker period.
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Speaker 16: I've been saying April twelve for a while, but I'm
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Speaker 16: concerned that that is the start of passover. I don't know,
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Speaker 16: passover doesn't start till after the polls close, and I
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Speaker 16: don't know that the Prime Minister really wants to upset
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Speaker 16: the Jewish community any further than he has. But I've
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Speaker 16: got an email today, so preparing for the budget lockdown,
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Speaker 16: so who knows. I mean, there's all sorts of obfuscation
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Speaker 16: going on to try and confuse us as to when
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Speaker 16: the election's going to be. But look, I think they've
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Speaker 16: got to go sooner rather than later because it just
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Speaker 16: gets worse for them every week, every day it gets worse.
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Speaker 16: And you know, if Peter doesn't can run a better
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Speaker 16: campaign than Anthony Alberteesi and most people would suggest that
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Speaker 16: he can, I think this government's really in trouble.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the things are looking dire for them, Susie,
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Speaker 2: because of that, because of the fact that we know
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Speaker 2: Albo's not a good campaigner and they just can't pull
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Speaker 2: a trick. I suppose that's an argument maybe not to
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Speaker 2: call the election while there's life, there is hope. They
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Speaker 2: might have to string it out, and look.
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Speaker 3: I can see them stringing it out as long as
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Speaker 3: they possibly can. They need all the help they can
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Speaker 3: get and all the time they can get.
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of.
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Speaker 3: Labor voters are genuinely disappointed in Elbow. I'm a lot
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Speaker 3: more left leaning than the new guys and a lot
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Speaker 3: of people watching, but even I'm disappointed in him. I
43:08
Speaker 3: think he's made some really bad choices, and people are
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Speaker 3: saying they're not that crazy about Peter Dutton, but they
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Speaker 3: do feel profoundly let down by our boat.
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Speaker 2: Sure do I tell you what it's already looking like
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Speaker 2: an election campaign has done for a long while, I suppose,
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Speaker 2: with lots of spending, but also lots of silly stunts.
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Speaker 2: This one's for charity, but it's al ciribilly today. Look
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Speaker 2: at the determination and easy snace. Yeah, no idea miss
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Speaker 2: stumping there as well, but he mentioned you can't get
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Speaker 2: our first ball, but you can get voted out after
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Speaker 2: one term, even though it hasn't happened since nineteen thirty one.
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Speaker 2: And just to show we keep an eye on both sides,
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Speaker 2: have a look at Susan Lee here, the Liberal deputy leader.
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Speaker 2: She's been out on the sporting field as well, not
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Speaker 2: really nailing the netball then, So this is it kissing
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Speaker 2: babies and throwing balls around and the election campaign, Stephen, Look,
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Speaker 2: it's extraordinary, isn't it that.
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Speaker 16: You know what's really gotten me is the social media
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Speaker 16: ramp up from a lot of the labor ministers. Claire O'Neill's, well,
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Speaker 16: I know you've been focusing on Chris Bowen, and he's
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Speaker 16: probably the worst of them. But some of the stuff
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Speaker 16: that Claire O'Neill's doing on social media, somebody in her
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Speaker 16: office needs to say, Claire, just stop stop now. If
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Speaker 16: we've got any hope of saving seats or winning this election,
44:28
Speaker 16: you've just got to get off social media because it
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Speaker 16: is far worse than albow Well. He's clearly a worse
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Speaker 16: batsman than John how It was a bowler. But I've
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Speaker 16: been fit income I will.
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Speaker 2: I promise a note to myself and to producer Tom
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Speaker 2: listening at the moment, we must have a look at
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Speaker 2: some of her social media tomorrow because I have seen
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Speaker 2: a couple of clips. They are terrible, a little bit
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Speaker 2: funkier than Chris Bowen's and she's not wrecking the country
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Speaker 2: as much as Chris Bowen. But we'll have a look
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Speaker 2: at it.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: I know how needy takeaway, not eating takeaway. It's the
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Speaker 2: eating that does me. And now I want to go
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Speaker 2: to the Northern Territory. A lot of fuss yesterday with
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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister their lea Forinocchiaro Suzie and not giving
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Speaker 2: an acknowledgment of the local indigenous people. Now there'd been
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Speaker 2: a welcome to country, but everybody else, including Barnaby Joyce said,
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Speaker 2: recognize the indigenous people. Leah Finocuio know, and she's defied
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Speaker 2: about it today, have lip.
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Speaker 17: We had a welcome to country by James Parfitt, and
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Speaker 17: I just don't think every speaker needs to do it.
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Speaker 17: The feedback I get from the community on acknowledgments of
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Speaker 17: country is that territories and this is literally their words, Laura.
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Speaker 17: They feel like it's been rammed down their throat, under labored.
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Speaker 2: Well, we know, Suzi that sometimes they're overdone. But she's
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Speaker 2: the chief Minister and it was the Lara Kia people
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Speaker 2: who were bombed in nineteen forty two as well. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I just think she had to do it. It's rude
45:53
Speaker 2: not to look.
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Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with you on this one. I think
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Speaker 3: if there's anyone who has to do it every time,
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Speaker 3: it's her, the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory. There
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Speaker 3: is a legitimate grip about the distinction between the welcome
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Speaker 3: to country done by an indigenous person with feeling with
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Speaker 3: cultural credibility and those acknowledgment of country done by the
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Speaker 3: whities like me, well not like me, but you know,
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Speaker 3: at every zoom meeting or yoga meeting or every single speaker.
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Speaker 10: It's like you have to do it.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think everyone has to do it. It
46:29
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything to help marginalize Indigenous people. However, when
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Speaker 3: you're the Chief Minister, sorry, I think you've got to
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Speaker 3: suck up and do it every single time.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Stephen, you might have a different point of view
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Speaker 2: on this, Yeah, I look.
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Speaker 16: I think Leah Finnaciaro is absolutely right on this. They've
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Speaker 16: completely devalued the acknowledgment of country by getting every speaker
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Speaker 16: does it now. Once upon a time, whoever the MC
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Speaker 16: or the host of an event would do an acknowledgment
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Speaker 16: or welcome to country at the beginning and then we'd
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Speaker 16: get on with whatever the function was. It's a bit
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Speaker 16: like politicians getting up and acknowledging every other politician in
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Speaker 16: the room every time somebody gets up. I mean, it's
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Speaker 16: just extraordinary that six different people did an acknowledgement the
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Speaker 16: country at the one event. She should stand the ground
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Speaker 16: here and I think she's nailed it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a problem with this, but I
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Speaker 2: think she's wrong, and I'll explain why. And I mentioned
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Speaker 2: she's the Chief minister, so she should do it. But
47:22
Speaker 2: this was about Darwin being bombed and the Laroche of
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Speaker 2: people and their land was bombed too, and they helped
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Speaker 2: defend Darwin. And I bet every speaker mentioned the veterans
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Speaker 2: and the people who served them and defended Darwin. They
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Speaker 2: did not mention them because everybody else did. I mean,
47:39
Speaker 2: sometimes it's appropriate, and I think she's missed the mark
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Speaker 2: here because the issue is and the reason everyone's cheering
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Speaker 2: it is because sometimes it's just not appropriate and it
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Speaker 2: is overdone. But I would have thought on this occasion
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Speaker 2: it's more than appropriate to recognize the Indigenous people who
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Speaker 2: were there bombed as well and helping to defend Darwin.
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Speaker 16: Because they were veterans, And she didn't acknowledg the veterans
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Speaker 16: by making them all the same. By treating all veterans
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Speaker 16: the same, I think it's being more inclusive than EXCLUDI
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Speaker 16: mentioning just the Larry Key of people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, and a lot of people will agree
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Speaker 2: with you. Stephen, Thanks for joining us, Stephen and Susie.
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Speaker 2: Really great. We'll catch up with you next week. We
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Speaker 2: have just got a little bit of time to share
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Speaker 2: some of your feedback about the Prime Minister from last
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Speaker 2: night show and one viewer says labors billions of promises
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Speaker 2: are all on our credit card, Please help us all
48:29
Speaker 2: if they get in again, and John says Albo must
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Speaker 2: lose his own seat, let alone government. Bent and Bowen
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Speaker 2: both need to go to there's a bit of wishful thinking,
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Speaker 2: and Scott says his legacy will be will be being
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Speaker 2: a one term government. Not missed. We will see, but
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Speaker 2: we'll keep on it. There's plenty happening and I'll be
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Speaker 2: back tomorrow night at five o'clock. Here's Peter