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Ego Death, Young Life & Trying Not to Get Laid with Jack Hopkins · onefjef

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I'm so sick of the, what we're doing here in, I mean, I, I'm enjoying speaking.
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Wow.
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But I don't want to hear He literally dismisses the podcast as he speaks on one.
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So we've entered the, yeah.
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Uh, somebody that would like this shit.
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This is episode 41 of onefjef 41 is the number just past the
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ordeal across mystical traditions.
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40 is the sacred threshold, the flood, the desert, the fast,
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which makes 41 the first breath.
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On the other side, the I Ching's 41st Hexagram sun captures this perfectly
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voluntary sacrifice, giving something up as an act of trust rather than loss.
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In Pythagorean terms, the four and the one are intention structure versus
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the solitary will the person who has built something solid but hasn't yet
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made peace with being alone inside it.
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Hello my friends.
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Hello, once again.
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How about this?
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We're back on our regular schedule.
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Huh?
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Huh?
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Anybody?
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I'm proud of myself.
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I hope that you're proud of me too.
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I said once I am in Mexico City and settle down a bit, we will get back to
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a regular schedule for this podcast.
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And here we are.
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So go me, go me and is also promised I am releasing an interview
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this week and that interview.
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Is with Jack Hopkins.
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Jack Hopkins, also known as Jack Hoppy, is a filmmaker, writer,
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musician, and visual artist.
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He co-wrote and acted in the short film according to plan and
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releases self-produced music, including squalor and couch surfing.
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His visual art and broader work reflected DIY self-direct approach focused on
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experimentation and personal expression.
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I recorded this conversation almost a year ago before I even
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started making this podcast.
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I used a few clips of it in the first episode, but I didn't release the entire
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thing because as you'll hear, Jack and I got progressively more intoxicated as
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the interview progressed and we ended up recording for almost three hours,
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much of which was fairly incoherent.
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But I live in Mexico City now, and last week I went back and
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listened to what we'd recorded.
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And I discovered that it was actually more entertaining and less incoherent
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than I remembered, and I cut it down to an hour, which helped.
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I do need to include a disclaimer though.
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If this episode had a rating, it would be a solid R.
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There's quite a bit of swearing and talk about drugs and
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sex and so forth and so on.
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So probably don't listen with your kids or with yourself if you don't like
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listening to abject subject matter.
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Mom, you've been warned.
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I met Jack Hopkins a few years ago outside the Summit Music Hall in Columbus, Ohio.
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The film group that we were both in was having a gathering, but there was a band
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playing so nobody could talk inside.
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So people just started going outside.
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I was just standing outside and they having a drink and, uh, this young
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interesting looking dude walks out of the bar and we just start talking.
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And yeah, there was just like a, an immediate connection with me and Jack.
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It's like we knew each other before.
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It's like we were just picking up a conversation.
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We'd started long ago and we've been friends ever since.
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Jack's about half my age.
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He's about 26 right now.
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I think.
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And he invited me to a party at his house, I don't know, six, seven months ago.
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And, uh, a lot of people at the party thought that I was Jack's dad,
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which I wasn't necessarily offended by, but I was also offended by
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anyway, now that I am in Mexico, I miss my friend Jack.
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I hope he comes to visit.
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And I hope you enjoy listening to this conversation with him as much
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as we clearly enjoyed having it.
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Thank you for listening.
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Thank you for being here.
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Here's Jack Hopkins criticizing the sturdiness of the table I had in my
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podcasting studio in Columbus, Ohio.
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Dude, this table is fucking wobbly.
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It's not that bad.
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Okay, well we've got a guest and we're already complaining about the table.
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Interesting.
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Sorry.
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Yeah, it's a beautiful table.
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So here we are, um, Jack, Jack Hopkins.
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They call me Hoppy.
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Actually Hoppy You don't call me Hoppy, but my friends call me Hoppy.
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No, I refuse to call you.
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Hoppy.
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You, you don't have to.
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Sorry.
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Yeah.
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Um, how long have people been calling you?
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Hoppy?
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That's like four years.
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No, I didn't grow up with it.
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Um, Jack Hoppy.
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I don't know.
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Does your girlfriend call you Hoppy?
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No, she doesn't.
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That's good.
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She did originally.
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And I actually had to say, please don't that you can't, you can't have that.
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I don't like that.
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Yeah, no, it's not sexy.
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And then when she refers to me to other people, she's like,
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yeah, Hoppy's over there.
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I'm like, what are you, what are you doing, man?
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I don't like, you got any nicknames?
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Yeah.
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No, it's me.
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Uh, Tweety?
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No.
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A big dick master.
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Huge dick.
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Big giant dick on the street.
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I've heard that.
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Yeah.
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They're like, where's Big Dick at?
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I'm like, oh, Jef.
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He's over there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Uh, no.
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No real nicknames to speak of.
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No, I remember having girlfriends back in the day and like one girlfriend,
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Laura, she wanted to like come up with nicknames for each other, and
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the one she came up for me was Bunny.
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And I was like, no, absolutely not.
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Similar to Hoppy.
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Yeah, no, bunny is a little too cute.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No kidding.
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So we never came up with nicknames and then she cheated on me.
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Hey.
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Oh God.
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So that's a, yeah.
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Maybe if we came up with cheat, maybe we came up with nicknames, then maybe
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she wouldn't have cheated on me.
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If it was a good nickname, it would've been a green flag.
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Yeah.
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Although I don't know that they're being like Spike.
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Spike.
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I don't think I'm gonna be spike either.
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Or danger.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Something like that.
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So like growing up, what was, what was your, what was your life like?
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Tell me, like high school, what was your, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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So I mean like, I liked sports.
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I've always liked sports, but the second that a grown man started to get mad at me.
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7-year-old for not doing it right.
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I immediately was like, no, I don't wanna do this anymore.
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Old people ruined sports.
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I mean, why did they care that much?
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Just let them play, just let them living vicariously through a 7-year-old.
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And at the time I thought it was weird and now I'm looking back on it and I
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still, I'm like, yeah, I was right.
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I was fucking right.
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It, it's worse now than it was then.
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Probably.
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It was weird.
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What sport was this?
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I tried 'em all.
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I tried 'em all.
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I liked baseball the most.
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Um, 'cause I have hand-eye coordination.
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I'm not athletic.
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I like to separate the two.
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I don't wanna run for longer than, you know, a couple minutes of
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time unless you're being chased.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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I don't want to do that either, right?
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No, but I just, you know, I wasn't athletic and everybody else was athletic.
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It's Dublin, Ohio.
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It is a fucking green suburb.
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When I talk about it like this, I feel like a, yeah, the, the angsty, you know,
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like, I gotta get out of this town, man.
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They don't believe in me.
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You got outta that is how I, you got outta Dublin.
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That's how I felt though.
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And I remember my big brother was, um.
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You know, he was athletic effortlessly and he wouldn't study and he
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would get fucked up all the time.
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Mm-hmm.
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And just get straight A's 36 on the a CT, whatever, doesn't care.
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I'll study and I'll study and I'll study and I'll still get a c
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plus, you know, even if I studied all night, it doesn't matter.
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No retention, I don't matter.
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Yeah.
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80 a DDI don't know.
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And I would double guess myself, so I didn't, you know, grades would fail.
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I wasn't very good at sports.
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Um, I was tiny.
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I was tiny in a huge school.
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I was still like the third smallest kid in the class for a while there.
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I'm still small, but now I can blend in with a crowd a little more.
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I don't stand out or anything like that.
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Were you good at sports?
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No.
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Oh no.
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I wasn't like, I liked them, but I just, I got nervous.
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I got really fucking nervous, you know?
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Hmm.
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But then I grew to a certain age where I was like, I don't have
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grades, I don't have sports.
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I'm tiny.
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I'm angsty.
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What do I do?
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How do, how do you get respect fast?
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I was like, well, I'm just gonna openly do drugs, you know?
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I'm gonna be like the stoner kid.
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Gotta find your identity.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And I watched Dazed to Confuse when I was a freshman the summer before going
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into freshman year, and I was like.
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When I, when I meet stoners at my school, I'm kind of like, I want them to like me.
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I'm like, okay, let's just do that.
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Let's just put it all on the table.
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Like Slater from Yeah, but a little, they, they were more menacing.
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I was more Slater esque, the stoners at my school, you
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know, there's kinda like tough.
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Yeah.
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Like they wanted to fight each other at like, it's interesting that
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you mentioned Dazed and Confused.
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'cause I feel like when I was in high school and junior high, I feel like I
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got a lot of my ideas about my identity from movies as opposed to like from a,
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uh, parental figure or an older adult.
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And I still think that that actually affects the way that I see the world
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in a way is like watching too many movies when I was a kid and you're
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preaching to the choir, right?
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I mean, whatever I thought was like a cool guy.
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I would try to be, okay, these guys in these movies get laid.
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I'm gonna try to act like that.
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Right.
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Just if that's real life.
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Right.
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And yeah, no, it never worked.
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Right?
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Then you get older and you realize, what is that?
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Are those movies not true That's going on?
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Right?
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Right.
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And you realize that it's all bullshit and you're like, yeah.
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Um, yeah, and I was really pissed about that.
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I was insecure as fuck, man.
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Oh, me too.
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Acne is acne everywhere.
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Yeah, me too.
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Uh, braces.
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I actually had braces from freshman year till senior year.
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Me too.
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Not that period of time, but yeah.
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Three years, two years.
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Yeah.
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I remember they wanted to keep it ongoing into college and
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I fucking orthodontist, man.
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They wanna ring you dry.
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It was the fucking worst student.
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Uh, and once I caught on.
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And they were like, yeah, you're still off by a couple millimeters.
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Um, we recommend keeping it on.
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And I was 18 at the time.
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I was like, take 'em off.
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Well, that's the game, right?
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I'm like, I know you can, I know that I can say this now.
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You, you gotta take 'em off my face now.
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And they like looked at my mom and my mom was just shrugged.
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She's like, yeah, you heard the band.
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I was such a nerd in middle school that like the nerdy kid.
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This kid Owen Priest never forget.
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He slammed my head into a locker.
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Wow.
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Like the nerdiest kid be above me, fucking hurt me.
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Well, nerdier became weird because he was both, he was like the other outcast.
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He was like, as a weird kid, will slam anyone, was like two outcasts, you know?
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But a nerd vying for power or something Fucking awful.
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Only one of us.
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Yeah.
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One weird middle school was the worst.
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That's when kids learn how to be assholes.
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Yeah.
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I I was bulleted in middle school.
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That was the toughest one.
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Yeah.
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It was awful.
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High school was fine.
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High school got better for sure.
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I, I had fun in high school, to be completely honest with you.
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Yeah.
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But middle school, yeah.
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No, I had a lot of trouble.
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What did you do in high school?
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Sports still, or No?
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No, no.
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That was when I went full stoner mode.
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Uh, freshman year was funny.
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Um, this transitionary period where I, it didn't, I didn't
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know and I didn't really care.
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What was it?
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It was Young Life, which is Oh, I know what that is.
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Yeah.
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It's a youth group going on and, um, really prevalent at my school specifically
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with the seniors, with that class.
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Um, and you know, these seniors come to the freshmen and they're like,
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Hey, you wanna hang out after school?
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Like on a weekend night?
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Love, love, love bomb, love bomb.
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You can, you know, ride in my car.
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I was like, this is like days confused, which, right.
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The exact opposite.
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So, you know, we go to this basement, which sounds weird, but there were
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like, you know, 50 people in the basement, but they're Christians.
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We were just dancing around.
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It was a lot of fun.
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Yeah.
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You know, no drinking.
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Um, I, I was, I don't know, I was naive.
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I was like, didn't, didn't catch on to maybe that they were tell Right.
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I kind of knew.
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That they were, I knew that it was Christian based, but then you're
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dancing and dancing and dancing.
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At the end of the end they're like, all right now.
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Now we pray.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Gotta go.
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But they did get me and I felt kind of cool for hanging out.
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That's how they get you.
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They love bomb you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh man.
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It was weird.
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They would take, I actually went to, um, young Life Camp.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, it's like three days in the woods in Saranac, New York.
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Your parents probably liked it.
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They're not Christian.
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They were just kind of like, okay, sure.
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You're hanging out with good, good, wholesome people.
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Good wholesome.
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Ah.
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They always trusted me.
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I think they were just kind of confused.
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They're like, okay, sure.
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Yeah.
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If you're finding God that's not sure, go for it.
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Sure.
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Um, no, I just wanted to go 'cause everyone I knew was all
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the freshmen got kind of roped in.
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Mm. Um, and my girlfriend at the time.
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Was going and everything.
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And I was like, all right.
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Fuck it.
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I was an atheist at the time.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, my friends knew, my girlfriend knew, and it's, I'm agnostic now.
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I don't really give a fuck.
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Sure.
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But at the time I was, you know, pseudo intellectual.
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I was like, there's no God like I knew.
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And, um, but I would ke I would keep it se a secret from the
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actual young life, like seniors.
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Sure.
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'cause they're not gonna let you in if you don't.
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Yeah.
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At least pretend.
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Well, they did find out when I was there.
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And they made it a, how did they find out?
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Oh, people told them.
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I don't know where it's at.
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Oh, you spoke a lot about how you didn't believe in God.
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To my friends.
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And my friends, I'm sure told 'em this whole God thing's
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bullshit, by the way, you guys.
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That's right.
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And they, they had these weird games, competition, secret competitions.
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Right.
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I could see that.
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To see who can convert the stoner kid.
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Oh my God.
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And they would take me deep in the woods one at a time.
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And to, to Eno.
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You know, hammock.
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And they would give their, this is my personal Bible, I wanna give it to you.
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Sure.
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Like if they could come outta that woods with that win.
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They would get so many brownie points with, with, with good old jc,
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um, if only they just had a naked woman that you could fuck out there.
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They'd be like, that's how you get 'em in.
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Yeah.
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Right, right.
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But that's premarital.
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Right.
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But you just don't have to talk about it.
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You're right.
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Yeah.
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Well, if it, yeah, it would be the priest diddling me, actually.
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You know, that's how that, you know what Mormons do?
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Mormons can't have sex when they get married, so they'll
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do a thing, I forget the name.
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Soaking.
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Soaking, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's fucking crazy.
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Where they just put their dick near the vagina, have somebody No, they put it in.
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Yeah.
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I couldn't figure it out where they actually put it in.
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'cause it said there's not penetration.
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Oh.
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Like when I looked it up online, it said there wasn't penetration.
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So it seemed like maybe there's rubbing, I don't know.
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It could be either way.
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But then you have a friend involved under the bed.
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Maybe it's the, the thrust that maybe it's just the tip is the, if you thrust,
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then it's considered penetration, maybe.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what a weird religion that is.
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But, um, just the tip.
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Yeah.
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'cause the, the Mormon God is so dumb that it can't tell the difference
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between soaking and actual sex Mormonism.
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Mr. Fuck.
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That is disrespectful to the Mormon, God.
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The Mormon underwear.
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You're good.
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What's his name?
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John Smith.
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And they're from Lake Ohio too.
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They came, they, they were up in Ohio until they, they, when
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they were, it was under the big thing was near northern Ohio.
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Northwestern Ohio.
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Northeastern Ohio.
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Mm-hmm.
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I forget the city.
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But they were living there.
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Then they got kicked out there and they kept moving and then they finally
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got to Utah and they were like, all right, where we're gonna settle?
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Well, they're gonna let us have all our wives here and shit.
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Yeah.
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Our 20 wives, I mean, the wives thing probably worked out for the fellas.
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Definitely For the women, not so much.
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They think it worked out for them though.
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They're, you know.
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Yeah, I know.
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Got, they get brainwashed like hard, like all the fucking way.
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So, uh, stoner crowd in How old were you when you got laid for the first time?
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I was 21.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I had plenty of opportunities.
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Um, I'm sure you did.
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I was just fucker.
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Yeah, that's, look at this face.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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I could, I could have fucked as many tricks as I wanted.
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No, no.
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I was in bed and I would be naked and I was, I would just
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lie because I was just so scared.
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Oh, it's terrified.
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Or I'd had my underwear on and they'd be, be like, what?
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I would just come up with something every time.
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Wow.
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The first, like, this happened like five times, you know, or like, yeah.
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You know, um, you know, I'd be like, oh, my, my best friend
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is actually in love with you.
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I can't go through the, with this.
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Or, oh, I. I'm, so, I remember in high school I actually said, I'm
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just too, I'm just so tortured.
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I'm too tortured.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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And she, it didn't make any sense to me or her.
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She was like, right.
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Okay.
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But it worked.
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You didn't get laid
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score right?
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I did it.
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Yeah.
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That's the movie you should write.
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That's the movie you should write.
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Trying not to get laid.
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Trying not to get laid.
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That's actually what, that's a title right there.
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It was really fucking hard.
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Trying not to get laid, man.
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God damn.
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Yeah.
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What a nightmare for you.
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I, yeah.
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Sorry you had to go through that.
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No, my first experience, I, yeah, I just lied.
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I was like, oh yeah, I fucked.
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What were you concerned about?
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Uh, not being good at it, I think was the big one.
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Yeah.
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Or like, not either, you know, coming too fast or, or not even being hard at all.
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Definitely.
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Um, which was the case when I first got laid, I'll be honest with you.
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Huh.
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And then I was so pissed at myself.
16:25
I was like, you horny little bastard.
16:27
You're finally doing it.
16:27
You can't even get hard.
16:29
So then you, you graduate high school incredibly and incredibly.
16:33
What's your relationship with your, what's your relationship with your parents?
16:35
Like?
16:36
Me and my mom have always been very close.
16:39
Mm. My dad and I, you know, we're, we're buddies, fathers, and sons is tricky.
16:46
Yeah.
16:46
We're buddies, you know, he's pretty much like, I don't know,
16:49
he reminds me of Adam Sandler.
16:50
Like, he's just like, you know, he can't be serious.
16:53
It's very, very difficult for him to be serious.
16:55
Right.
16:55
So, you know, when Yeah.
16:57
When you can't ever be serious, you can't ever be vulnerable.
17:00
And so when you can't ever be vulnerable, you can't ever form
17:03
that strong a relationship.
17:04
So I do dig.
17:05
You know, I poke and prod at him when you know, sometimes and be
17:08
like, what happened here when I, you know, talk, trying to figure
17:11
out what was happening to his child.
17:12
He had a crazy fucking childhood man.
17:15
Vulnerability is tough for Midwesterners and particularly like older.
17:19
He's from Jersey.
17:20
Oh, interesting.
17:21
Yeah, they're usually blunt.
17:22
They usually are pretty frank.
17:24
Well, that's the stereotype.
17:25
Yeah.
17:26
But he is all about like good vibe.
17:29
Like he, you know, he's a Jimmy Buffet guy.
17:32
Like, you know, he grew up on the beach.
17:34
Um, so like, he literally listens to Jimmy Buffet.
17:36
Yeah.
17:37
Yeah.
17:37
And he How do you feel?
17:38
You like Jimmy Buffet?
17:38
I do because of him.
17:40
Which one?
17:40
Which songs?
17:41
Um, we like, uh, trying to Reason with Hurricane Season, I didn't that one.
17:46
Like, things like that.
17:47
Everything rhymes in the Jimmy Buffet song's Gotta rhyme.
17:49
Yeah, I do.
17:50
I don't, I don't like, I don't like the hits.
17:51
I don't like changes in attitude.
17:52
Changes in latitudes.
17:53
Yeah.
17:54
So, you know a couple.
17:55
Okay.
17:56
I know.
17:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:56
It's fun.
17:56
It's, it's dumb.
17:57
No, but the, the instruments in Jimmy Buffet Margaritaville's a great song.
18:00
It is.
18:01
I can't hear it anymore though.
18:03
Growing up with it.
18:03
You know, some people say that there's a woman to blame, but they're right.
18:07
It's all their fault.
18:08
Wait, but there's a very, that's a lie.
18:10
As the story goes on, he pr he, he, uh, uh, progresses as a human.
18:15
At the end he says, it's actually my fault.
18:17
Yeah.
18:17
See, Jimmy, oh, didn't, I never thought about, I never looked into it.
18:20
Pay attention to these.
18:21
Well, it's a deep, beautiful, deep Jimmy Buffett league.
18:23
Right.
18:24
I went to the last Jimmy Buffett show in Cincinnati, and that is
18:28
where it's the biggest fan base.
18:30
That's where they coin the term parrothead.
18:32
No shit.
18:32
Yeah.
18:32
Bigger than Key West.
18:34
I wonder why that is.
18:35
It's 'cause nobody wants to be in ci.
18:37
Nobody wants to be, you know, when you're in Ohio, you listen to,
18:39
wants to be in a lot of places.
18:40
But, yeah.
18:42
Well, since you know, when you're in Ohio, you, you.
18:45
It's about island escapism.
18:47
It's not about Right.
18:48
You know, you're daydreaming, you know?
18:50
Yeah.
18:50
Columbus has sports though, so that's how they, that's their, Jimmy
18:53
Buffett is, Columbus has got sports.
18:55
Yeah.
18:55
I'm not gonna miss that, to be honest with you.
18:58
No's favorite thing about the city is this, uh, cult of sports.
19:02
It's most people's favorite.
19:03
It's most people's favorite.
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I'm a fucking, we're a couple of snobs and, you know, I, I,
19:07
you know, more power to him.
19:09
I was at a, um, I was watching the, the championship game with my cousin.
19:12
My cousin loves sports and we were watching the, the
19:14
Ohio State Championship game.
19:15
It was with him and his kids, but there was some friend of his that I'd never
19:18
met, and he was really, he was that guy who was really into Ohio State,
19:22
and I'm just kind of watching it.
19:23
Do you like to say, let's go a lot.
19:25
Let's go.
19:25
I don't know if he said that, but So we're watching it.
19:27
I'm kind of like.
19:28
I'm watching a sporting event as I watch sporting events.
19:30
I don't really like, I enjoy watching sports sometimes, but it's
19:33
like, I don't take it seriously.
19:34
I want an entertaining game.
19:35
If I'm gonna watch it, I want an exciting back and forth or whatever.
19:37
Right.
19:38
And so this game start, the game starts a lot of pausing and Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:42
The game starts getting close and I'm like, oh, at least it's exciting.
19:45
And this guy's have, he's like, we don't want it to be
19:47
close, blah, blah, blah, blah.
19:48
And at the, yeah, like he was getting mad.
19:50
He was getting, he, he, if that, if they'd lost, he may have like
19:54
killed himself or started crying.
19:56
Mm-hmm.
19:56
And I think he did cry actually when they won.
19:58
Okay, so college, I can understand you're representing your school, but
20:02
to NFLI will never understand that.
20:05
That's just companies buying people.
20:07
It's what do we, well, it's just professional sports.
20:09
You're not any different than baseball or basketball.
20:11
It's the same fucking thing.
20:12
Yeah, no, you're allegiance to a company basically.
20:16
'cause they're trading you based on stats and Sure.
20:20
It's all arbitrary.
20:21
You know who root for Yeah.
20:22
I'm not arguing that.
20:23
Although as a clevelander like growing up watching the Cleveland Browns, I,
20:26
I do have a, an affinity for them.
20:28
I if, if anything I, I would root for the Cleveland Browns just for underdog's sake.
20:33
Yeah.
20:33
That's, you know, that's what being from a Cleveland is all about.
20:35
Yeah.
20:35
And that I can get behind.
20:36
Yeah, they did well, you know, a few years back and Yeah, I'll watch it.
20:39
I was actually excited.
20:40
Watch, if they do well, I, if they do well, I'll start watching towards the end.
20:43
That's who, that's the, that's the kind of sports fan I am.
20:44
Is if the team's doing well at the end of the season bandwagon, then I pay.
20:47
Exactly.
20:48
Yeah.
20:48
Yeah.
20:49
Um, like the Indians last year, the guardians were there.
20:51
Yeah.
20:51
Well it, it also takes a lot of homework and like daily homework.
20:56
I, I call homework 'cause I don't give a fuck.
20:58
Don't do any, I don't do any homework.
20:59
No, no.
21:00
I just mean like, people that are into sports, you know, you the
21:03
way to, for people to connect, especially in my family for sure.
21:06
Um, that they bring on the names and the stats and, and oh yeah,
21:10
that, but you, you gotta, you gotta keep up with that shit constantly.
21:15
He just listening to the sports radio all the time.
21:17
I think it was Noam Chomsky who said like, if he was listening, he was like
21:20
driving somewhere and he was listening to random radio stations and he got on
21:24
one of these sports radio stations and he is listening to these people, like
21:26
analyze sports to this insane degree.
21:28
And he's like.
21:30
If people analyze the way the world and the government works on the level that
21:34
they analyze sports every day mm-hmm.
21:36
Then we'd actually have in a different civilization right now.
21:38
Yeah.
21:38
Politics has turned into sports teams, you know, it's turned into reality tv.
21:42
Yeah.
21:43
Well, sports, it's like you, it's like they see it as my team versus your team.
21:47
No.
21:48
Shades of gray, red versus blue.
21:50
Yeah.
21:50
And then they treat, um, they treat sports like politics.
21:54
You know, they're, they see the complexities of it all and, um, yeah.
21:58
It's productive in a certain way.
22:00
You know, you can talk to someone without killing them.
22:02
Politics the first, if you start talking politics with someone that
22:06
has a little bit of a, a deviated opinion from what you believe.
22:09
Mm-hmm.
22:10
It's war.
22:12
It depends on the person until you both decide at a certain point,
22:16
let's stop talking about this because you're not gonna win anyone over
22:18
unless they're a true on the fencer.
22:20
Which is really unfortunate because that's not the way that it's meant to be.
22:23
Like we're meant to be able to have opinions.
22:25
Course that would change based on new information.
22:27
Yeah.
22:28
And it's unfortunate everybody's so locked into their mm-hmm.
22:31
Like that's the problem with the world right now.
22:32
Aside from, you know, everything.
22:34
Yeah.
22:34
Many problems with the world, but that's a big one.
22:36
Just that we can't even, we're, we're so closed off to any other belief
22:40
that we can't even see each other.
22:42
Yeah.
22:42
Absolutely.
22:43
How old were you when Trump first got elected?
22:45
Well, gimme the year.
22:46
Uh, it was 2016.
22:47
2016. I was 17.
22:51
Wow.
22:51
That's crazy to think that like.
22:54
When I was growing up, when I was your age, I like politics
22:57
was, I think it was George Bush.
22:59
And certainly there was rage at politics and so forth, but it wasn't
23:02
like this horrible behemoth that was anyway, slowly enveloping and, and,
23:07
and the 24 hour news hadn't happened yet, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
23:09
Yeah.
23:10
But now you've basically grown up under like, well, I guess Obama.
23:14
Obama was quote unquote good.
23:15
And then you had, you've got Trump for 12 years.
23:18
Ain't nobody was good.
23:19
Ain't nobody, that's Jimmy Carter dramatically correct.
23:21
Jimmy.
23:21
Jimmy Carter was one.
23:22
Jimmy Carter was actually a good, good president and a good
23:24
man after he was president.
23:25
After he was president, he was a peanut farmer from Georgia.
23:28
After he was president, he spent the rest of his life like working for
23:31
Habitat for Humanity and building houses.
23:32
He'd be out there 80 years old.
23:34
Fucking nah.
23:34
We can find dirt.
23:36
We could find some dirt, no doubt.
23:38
Oh, I'm sure there's dirt somewhere.
23:39
I'm not talking about a little.
23:40
Obama's got a Netflix deal for Christ's sake.
23:41
No, no, no, no, no.
23:42
I'm not talking about a little bit of dirt.
23:43
I'm talking about that dude.
23:44
Definitely funded genocides like everybody else.
23:47
I'm saying relatively, yeah.
23:49
Compared, and I think he think was comparison to, I mean, for
23:52
the last 40 years, 50 years of his life, he literally gave it giving
23:56
back to the like he was publicly.
23:59
Publicly.
23:59
Sure, I'll take it.
24:00
Yeah.
24:01
No better than Obama.
24:02
Right now he's just working for Netflix.
24:04
I can't ever give props to a politician, especially the big man.
24:07
That's fair.
24:08
Yeah, it just doesn't feel right.
24:09
There's stuff we just don't know and we never will, and it's just like how
24:13
many fucking innocent people does?
24:15
He are dead because of him.
24:16
Yeah, because of every president.
24:18
It happens.
24:19
So how'd you start the film stuff?
24:22
Do you remember the first film you ever watched?
24:24
No, no, I remember What's an early film that you saw that was like,
24:28
like a lot of, a lot of animation.
24:29
A lot of animation.
24:30
There's this movie called The Rescuer Down Under, which is, um,
24:34
you know, mice, it's, it's like mice.
24:36
It's an underrated, underappreciated m Yes.
24:39
Incredibly underrated dude.
24:41
When you talk about classic Disney animated movies, ain't
24:44
nobody ever gonna mention this movie in 1 million fucking years.
24:48
No, you're right, you're right.
24:49
Um, and then I think first grade, I, I had this, my best friend,
24:52
Cameron, I would go to his house and I would use his family video camera.
24:56
We would make, I was addicted to it so much that he got.
24:58
He just hated me.
24:59
He was like, you just want the camera?
25:01
I'm like, yeah, maybe I like YouTube though.
25:03
And then I forgot about it for a bit, you know, I still loved movies always,
25:07
but I was a writer, you know, I wanted to write books and short stories.
25:10
So I did.
25:11
And then seventh grade I was 12, 11, or 12.
25:16
Um, biography week or month, you know, you pick a biography.
25:20
Okay.
25:20
You read it, you do report on it.
25:22
Mm-hmm.
25:22
It was between Bob Marley and, um, yeah, I love Bob Marley and, uh, Spielberg.
25:28
I picked Spielberg 'cause that was what was available and I was
25:30
like, I said it out loud too.
25:32
I was like, this is what I want to do.
25:34
And it has not.
25:35
No doubt.
25:36
There's no, there was no doubt in my mind like, this is exactly what I want
25:39
to do, and I just has not changed.
25:42
So, did you like Spielberg at the time?
25:45
Oh yeah.
25:46
What's your, what's your, what's your favorite?
25:46
Spielberg.
25:47
I had an ET poster.
25:48
I had ael.
25:49
That was, I was a big fan of ET that was growing up.
25:51
ET now had a soundtrack on 45.
25:54
Really?
25:54
Yeah.
25:55
Yeah.
25:55
It changes for me.
25:57
Loved Temple of Doom.
25:59
Um, as ridiculous as it is, just like, not, not Raiders.
26:03
Not Raiders to the law story.
26:03
No, no, no.
26:04
I was a fucking kid, man.
26:05
I wanted like balls to a wall, Andy.
26:07
Yeah.
26:08
I wanted the most outrageous.
26:11
Yeah.
26:12
His movies are outrageous.
26:13
The Gremlins.
26:13
There's some good ones in there.
26:14
Yeah.
26:14
The Gremlins is under, there's some bad ones, but there's some good ones, Jay.
26:17
Mm-hmm.
26:17
He, I miss it 'cause he, nah, he's a master.
26:20
Yeah.
26:20
But nowadays he, I haven't even touched his historical objects.
26:23
I mean, jaws on its own is just an incredible Oh yeah, yeah.
26:27
Oh, uh, that's number one.
26:27
Okay.
26:28
That is the number one.
26:28
I said that in the theater like three, four years ago.
26:30
And it was an ama, like, there's so many things about the movie that are so smart.
26:33
Yeah.
26:34
So fucking good.
26:35
The thing he figured out was like, I'll have the camera on a character
26:38
and something's happening off screen.
26:40
They'll, they'll hear a sound and they'll look.
26:41
And he doesn't show you what they're looking at for a few seconds.
26:44
Does he pan over after Right.
26:46
Or whatever he cuts to it or whatever.
26:48
But he just builds the tension by just showing the person reacting to the thing
26:51
that you don't even know what it is yet.
26:52
Right.
26:52
Yeah.
26:53
Um, I'm actually doing that in the short film that I'm, that exact thing in the
26:57
short film that we're doing right now.
26:58
That by this point, once this is released, it'll be in Tribeca
27:01
and be made into a feature film.
27:03
I believe that's true.
27:04
I'll be, I'll have the funding by then.
27:05
Yeah.
27:05
There'll be a $10 million, uh, a 24 I believe.
27:08
Yeah.
27:08
Um, we're gonna get, um, Daniel Day out of retirement for sure.
27:12
You should, yeah.
27:13
Yeah.
27:13
To play a, a 21-year-old.
27:15
Yeah.
27:15
Did you see my left foot?
27:17
Yeah.
27:19
I should.
27:20
It doesn't really work with the microphones.
27:21
Shouldn't laugh.
27:22
Yeah.
27:22
Just to describe what Jef is doing here.
27:24
He, he did a, a crude imitation of a disabled man.
27:28
No, it was, it literally the guy in my left foot.
27:30
It's Daniel Day Lewis playing.
27:32
Oh, I, I got some fucked up.
27:33
Uh, Laura on my left foot.
27:35
Mm. You know how it ends on like a very sweet note, like, oh, he found a woman
27:39
that loves him and like there's some hope.
27:41
Oh yeah.
27:41
Vaguely.
27:41
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:42
She abused the fuck out of him whole life.
27:44
Oh, the real, my left foot guy.
27:45
Whole life.
27:45
Yes.
27:46
Ow.
27:46
She abused the hell out of him.
27:47
Well, it might've even led to his death.
27:48
Let's make point.
27:49
Make the sequel.
27:49
Let's make the sequel.
27:50
What do Oh yeah, just my left foot part two.
27:53
The darker years.
27:54
My right foot.
27:55
Right, right.
27:55
Yeah.
27:56
He starts feeling his right foot.
27:57
Because she, yeah, she, she beat him.
28:00
Definitely.
28:00
I wonder if Steven Hawkings, like, doesn't he, wasn't he married or something?
28:03
Deon or his wife?
28:04
Fucking like, I don't know.
28:05
I've seen the family guy clip where they're, they're both disabled and
28:08
having like wheelchair sex in bed and she's like typing in hormones.
28:12
I don't, I don't know.
28:13
Funny.
28:13
That's funny.
28:13
As far as I know about his.
28:15
Pretty funny.
28:16
That's pretty funny though.
28:16
Funny.
28:16
I know.
28:16
He had a girl when he didn't have the disability, right?
28:20
We all saw the movie.
28:21
I didn't.
28:22
Oh yeah.
28:23
I just know about it.
28:23
Oh, right.
28:24
Yeah.
28:24
You're just, you're just a fan of.
28:26
Stephen Hawking.
28:27
Yeah.
28:27
And yeah, just know the Stephen Hawking lore.
28:29
Yeah.
28:29
I tried reading some of his books just to like, feel smart.
28:32
I read the one, it didn't make me feel smart.
28:34
It was just more confusing.
28:35
I love the first like, quarter of that like Carl Young type book.
28:39
'cause it's, it's one that you're like, oh my God, I'm
28:41
understanding what they're saying.
28:42
And then they're like, there's a drop off point where they're like,
28:45
okay, now that we've explained all of the, uh, like beginner, like dumb
28:48
ass shit, let's just start talking.
28:53
You just, let's get in.
28:54
Yeah.
28:54
And then I'm like, oh, I have no idea what they're saying now.
28:57
Right.
28:58
This, my brain just, I think like some physicists and stuff, I think
29:01
their brain just works differently.
29:02
But like, I, I want to understand that, like, oh yeah, of course.
29:06
How you can explain the universe with math.
29:08
Mm-hmm.
29:08
Like what, what's that?
29:10
How do you, you like, you can explain how the universe acts.
29:14
Why gravity?
29:15
Because of an equation.
29:16
I don't get that at all.
29:17
So like, our brains like.
29:19
And my theory is that our brains, like intentionally, like we were, we were
29:24
wired to, for our brains to intentionally like short circuit when we start to
29:30
conceptualize how large the universe might be because it just wouldn't work.
29:35
It's not that we can't do it, it's that it's not healthy for us.
29:38
But not everybody's does though.
29:40
Like there's clearly people who are able to comprehend
29:41
this level of They bypassed it.
29:43
Yeah.
29:43
And they're fucked.
29:45
You think that?
29:46
Yeah.
29:46
They have, they have a lack of empathy to a certain degree.
29:49
They've transcended a certain part of the human condition, but maybe they
29:52
know something that we don't like.
29:53
Yeah.
29:54
That's what I'm saying.
29:54
Right.
29:55
But I think I would rather stay in my lane and keep my empathy than understand
30:00
like, you know, big picture people.
30:02
You gotta think about the big picture, you know, think about the species.
30:05
Nah, I ain't about that.
30:07
I'm talking about I'm, I'm thinking about individuals and that's about it.
30:10
Sure.
30:10
I mean, we're all inherently, you know, egocentric, um.
30:14
But I mean, it's true.
30:14
How can you, you can't, you can't avoid it.
30:16
Yeah, I know, but like, uh, I, I was reading some book that was talking
30:20
about what, what would really happen, like they are working on like drugs
30:24
that will extend our lives, right?
30:25
So this guy was kind of positing like, what would happen if
30:28
they invented this drug?
30:29
Well, first off, like the rich people would get it first, right?
30:33
Yeah.
30:33
Yeah.
30:33
This would be a drug that would any, everybody would want it
30:35
probably be gate kept for like, oh, there would years hundred riots.
30:37
Shit.
30:38
Yeah.
30:38
There'd be riots, shit.
30:39
And they wouldn't, they would keep it a secret.
30:41
Right.
30:41
But then the ramifications of having a, of being able to live, let's say,
30:45
I mean even 300 years, whatever, like you would get number one bored and you
30:51
would be so afraid of like airplanes.
30:53
Nobody would fly on a plane.
30:54
Nobody would take any risk.
30:55
Because to take a risk would me to, the only way you can die is by having
30:58
your body get fucking destroyed.
31:00
Right, right.
31:00
So you would be so risk averse.
31:01
Skydiving would be over.
31:02
It's true.
31:03
And then anyway, yeah, it seemed very, it was.
31:05
And it would, and if you were the only one that was living a long
31:07
time and all you did was just live and every, all your friends.
31:10
Died.
31:10
I don't know.
31:12
Well, that's the vampire movie effect, right?
31:14
Right.
31:14
There's yeah.
31:14
It's like, or the va vampire story where it suicide.
31:17
All the vampires are all heartbroken because they've
31:19
seen everyone they love die.
31:20
Right.
31:20
Which is actually why the vampire story is so good, because it's, yeah, absolutely.
31:24
It's heartbreaking.
31:25
What was that?
31:26
Was Jim Jarmus one with, what's her name?
31:28
Did Jim Jarmus make a van movie?
31:30
Yeah, he did.
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In Detroit?
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Yeah.
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It was very Twilight.
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Yeah.
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That's the one.
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No, it was, um, the, um, the Mice movie.
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It was the mice.
31:39
I was gonna, I was trying to think of the title.
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Rescuers from Down Under.
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Yeah, it was that one.
31:44
Yeah.
31:45
I don't dunno.
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I don't know.
31:45
Didn't come up with a Fast Time Mice.
31:46
What are you saying?
31:47
Wasn't there wasn't that movie with Mice the rescues down on?
31:49
Wasn't that with M Yeah, but What, no, I was just trying to make a
31:53
joke, but it's gone So off the Rails.
31:54
'cause just 'cause I couldn't remember the name of the movie.
31:56
I caught it.
31:57
I thought if I couldn't remember the name of the movie right away,
31:58
it would've been a good joke.
31:59
Jim made a fucking vampire movie.
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Uh, only Lovers Left Alive.
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That was what it was called.
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That's a cool name.
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Yeah, it's a good movie.
32:06
You'd like it.
32:06
It says Toda Swindon, isn't it?
32:07
It's our, oh, she's great.
32:09
She's the best.
32:09
And she looks like a vampire too, so Yeah, she's a little, a little fog.
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Um, yeah, I don't know.
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I, I, I have mixed feelings about whether I find her attractive or not really.
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Yeah.
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I, I, I, yeah, I don't, I think she's homely.
32:23
Interesting.
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I could see that you.
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I, okay.
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Um, I, I saw her in, um, she's, what was that movie?
32:29
The Kevin?
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Yeah.
32:31
We need to talk about Kevin.
32:32
Dude, that movie.
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Yeah.
32:34
Anyway, we don't need to get into a movie Jack off thing, but, uh, why not?
32:37
That's our main expertise.
32:38
We just talked about politics for Longs.
32:40
True.
32:41
It's true.
32:41
You're right.
32:41
Well, that's the thing that I worked in for five years, so I mean, I do.
32:44
Meanwhile, I'm just blab, I'm just yapping.
32:46
If we just stop talking, then people will stop.
32:48
People have already tuned out.
32:50
I, I think that's not very optimistic.
32:52
Hey mom.
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Oh man.
32:56
I'm so sick of the, what we're doing here in a, I mean, I, I'm enjoying speaking.
33:01
Wow.
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But I don't want to hear He literally dismisses the podcast as he speaks on one.
33:06
So entered the Yeah.
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Uh, some, somebody that would like this shit I was thinking of
33:12
calling it Columbus isn't real.
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What the name, the name of the podcast.
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Columbus isn't real.
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Columbus isn't real.
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Yeah.
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I mean, people.
33:19
I don't like Columbus.
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Here we go.
33:21
Okay.
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I don't uhoh.
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I don't like Columbus.
33:23
What don't you like about Columbus?
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It's a fucking corporate hub.
33:26
Um, where's better than Columbus then?
33:29
Chicago is a better place.
33:30
New York is a better place.
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Cincinnati's a better place.
33:32
I'm with you.
33:33
Like, I I don't love Columbus either.
33:35
And, and I, I, I'm interested in leaving, but like, I do think that after
33:39
living in a lot of different cities, like all these cities are corporate.
33:42
It's not like, if, if like, the thing with Columbus to me is
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like, no, it's not very culture.
33:46
There's a cult of, of football.
33:48
There we go.
33:48
It's flat everywhere.
33:49
That's what I was about to say.
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Um, yeah.
33:50
Any culture that we do have or did have gets ripped away in place.
33:55
I mean, there's some culture here, don't get me wrong.
33:56
Like, there's some, I'm not gonna give it.
33:58
I mean, every, I'm not gonna shit and shit, shit in Columbus.
34:00
I mean, every city as big as ours has, like their thing.
34:04
You know, Columbus lacks an identity, a distinct identity,
34:06
except for the football thing.
34:08
That's the thing.
34:08
I think that when they tore down my favorite bar, uh, the
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stub, I like just lost all hope.
34:15
For this place.
34:15
'cause that really was, yeah, I don't know.
34:17
Stronghold.
34:18
It was a safe haven.
34:19
It was a fucking institution and it's, uh, they tore it down for
34:23
expensive, high rises apartments that are gonna be fucking empty.
34:27
I think there's good things about this place.
34:29
I'm just, when I was in Mexico, I realized it's gonna sound, maybe in
34:32
a year when I'm listening to this, I'll be like, oh, what an idiot.
34:34
But that I don't, that I feel better when I'm in a city.
34:39
Like a foreigner in a city like I'm feeling.
34:42
Yes.
34:42
I started to sell all my stuff.
34:44
Like when I got back from Mexico, I was like, I'm starting
34:45
to sell my records and shit.
34:46
Just getting rid of stuff because like, I'm also like all this shit.
34:50
You have a bigger house, you end up accumulating all this fucking
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shit that just holds you down, holds your life down, like.
34:56
I just, um, I mean if you downsizing, if you plan on moving, then yeah.
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It doesn't, even if I plan on moving, like I don't like feeling like I'm stuck
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and having all this stuff makes me feel like, oh, it's so hard to go anywhere.
35:07
Sounds like fight club.
35:08
Yeah.
35:08
You're trying, you're going minerals.
35:09
Fair enough.
35:10
Yeah.
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Yeah.
35:10
You do have some cool trinkets going on or I don't know, like
35:12
if I get a remote job somewhere.
35:14
I'm just going to start traveling.
35:16
Yeah.
35:17
Well, it's, I mean, if you have a remote job that pays enough, then
35:19
you can always come back to your little, your safe little place here.
35:22
For sure.
35:23
I just, the stuff that I accumulated is just sentimental objects that I
35:26
don't have any, I throw away, I don't any nice like electronics or anything.
35:31
It's just like little tickets and shit.
35:33
Vinyl that, like vinyl, vinyl and books, souvenirs, you know?
35:35
Yeah.
35:36
I have a lot of, a lot of records.
35:37
A lot of books as well.
35:38
Yep.
35:39
And I don't listen to my records very often and I'm like, why do
35:40
I have all these fucking records?
35:42
My record player broke.
35:43
Right.
35:43
I don't know why I don't, I don't like having all of 'em getting rid of 'em.
35:46
The closer you get to the inevitable, the, the more, the easier it is.
35:50
At least for me, it's been like clarifying in some ways, like somebody else is
35:54
just gonna throw, why am I keeping this?
35:55
Somebody else is just gonna throw this shit away.
35:57
Why When you die?
35:59
Yeah.
35:59
Is that what you're saying?
35:59
Right.
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Well.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I surround myself with souvenirs, not, not because I want
36:05
to keep it, keep it, but because I wanna surround myself with it.
36:08
No, I get that inclination, and I do have a lot of crap around my, my house as well.
36:12
I'm not getting rid of all that stuff.
36:14
I'm just saying that like when I was in Mexico City, all I had was like
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a laptop, some books, and a couple changes of clothes for like a month.
36:21
And I was perfectly happy.
36:22
True.
36:23
I felt unburdened by all of the shit that really felt for
36:25
that, for that period of time.
36:26
Sure.
36:27
And Right.
36:27
That's a very point.
36:28
A pretty short period of time.
36:29
But I was in Korea for fucking a year and a half, and year and a half.
36:31
I was the same thing.
36:32
I had as much as I could carry in a backpack.
36:34
Yeah.
36:35
What about the, the thought that you, you could come back and you would, and
36:39
you will come back to all the stuff eventually, which this is why when I
36:42
get rid of this stuff, which you did.
36:44
Yeah, yeah.
36:46
No, I'm trying to work through my fucking, uh.
36:50
Hoard like tendencies here.
36:54
I get it.
36:55
I mean, we're, it's almost, I'm defending it in a, in a half acidly way because
36:58
I, I, I know the, I I do realize the benefits of minimalism and I should
37:03
probably tap Fight Club was right.
37:04
I mean, is a Courtney thing to say, but the stuff you own ends up owning you.
37:08
Yeah, yeah.
37:08
Absolutely.
37:08
And it's totally true.
37:10
Yeah.
37:10
I'm young enough where my cheat code is just, um.
37:14
My parents' house.
37:17
Not sure.
37:18
No.
37:18
I've got a lot of, and dude, I've still got that cheat code.
37:20
I got a lot of stuff in my fucking, you, you do bedroom, okay.
37:22
Yeah, for sure.
37:23
CDs and shit.
37:24
So when I moved to LA you better believe that I'm keeping all my bullshit like
37:28
down in my basement to what you should do.
37:29
Every big move I have, dude.
37:31
Mm-hmm.
37:31
I I I fucking downsize.
37:33
You gotta do it now.
37:34
Oh, absolutely, dude.
37:35
I, I have to drive a as you can.
37:37
No, I'm the, but don't put all this stuff in your parents' basement.
37:40
Oh.
37:40
I'm throwing a lot of shit.
37:41
No, no doubt.
37:43
I sell shit or sell it.
37:44
Yeah.
37:44
Try to try to sell it to give it away.
37:46
But that's the best reason to go.
37:47
I gotta tell you this story, man.
37:48
I was doing ketamine with my big brother this past Christmas.
37:51
You know, every time I see him, I go down to the basement and uh, and I'm
37:56
like, all right, you got it back?
37:57
And he is like, yeah.
37:58
And so we sit there and we'll watch like three or four movies, probably
38:01
talk over it the entire time.
38:02
If not, or we lock in depending on our mood.
38:05
But we had this gigantic crate of action figures that we used to play
38:10
with when we were little kids in the back, back, back room of the basement
38:15
at my parents' house, back back.
38:17
So we go back, it's like the boiler room, you know, in a crawl space.
38:20
And, uh, we find it, we called it the guy box.
38:24
And I'm like, here's the guy box.
38:25
And we open up the tub and we are on Ketamine, man.
38:30
And, and I open up the, you know, the lid and we dig through this
38:34
giant thing of action figures we haven't seen in 15 years.
38:37
Mm-hmm.
38:38
For two and a half hours straight.
38:41
Just having the most nostalgic experience that I've felt.
38:47
I'm like, do you remember this one?
38:48
He's like, yeah.
38:50
Like, I'm just like, I get it.
38:52
Ketamine is just like a very like GI Joe, nostalgic feeling, you
38:56
know, GI GI Joes or what were doing.
38:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:58
GI Joes were two Barbies.
38:59
They were Barbies.
39:00
Well, those were too big.
39:01
No, ours were tiny little guys.
39:03
Yeah.
39:03
The little Army men.
39:04
Yeah.
39:05
Yeah.
39:05
Those, they, they, those guys were in there.
39:07
Yeah, they were my jam.
39:09
Ketamine is so kind.
39:10
To me, it's so like, it takes me by the hand and just guides me through my
39:15
memories without it being scary, like L Steven and Shrooms, l Steven and Shrooms.
39:19
It's like, look at these memories and fuck you.
39:23
Ketamine is like, look at these memories and I love yous the record to you.
39:26
To you.
39:27
This is, yeah, that's true.
39:28
You're right.
39:28
That's just for me.
39:29
I don't think, I've never had Mushroom say, look at these memories.
39:31
Fuck you to me.
39:32
Oh, I have gotten damn.
39:34
Fair enough.
39:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:35
Never For me, this is why I, I mean, there's a reason that.
39:39
All my friends hate it for some reason.
39:41
Right.
39:41
And it's just unique to my experience.
39:43
Definitely.
39:44
Uh, Mr. Jef Taylor, gimme a, gimme a story from your youth.
39:51
From my how, uh, story From my youth.
39:53
Yeah.
39:53
Yeah.
39:53
Something, you know, a little party story or something, or another.
39:57
Uh, one time I was on mushrooms in college and I, uh.
40:03
We were, we were rock climbing.
40:06
Uh, that sounds horrible.
40:07
There was, there was a place called, it was a terrible idea.
40:08
Yeah, yeah.
40:09
It was a place called Bong Hill.
40:10
That was this, uh, bong Hill, it was called, it was, you know, outside of ou.
40:15
I was just, I know what it is.
40:16
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:17
I know what you're talking about.
40:17
Um, and uh, out in the behind Bong Hill, there's like rocks and rocks,
40:22
you know, and so we're like climbing up these rocks and it was like
40:25
easy kind of climbing up the rocks.
40:26
And then suddenly it was at, I was like climbing and I was at a place where
40:29
like, there were like footholds, but like my friends had already gotten up,
40:33
but like, it was a drop, like it was like a hundred foot drop on this side.
40:36
Yeah.
40:37
Anyway, at a certain point I realized I don't know how the fuck to get up.
40:40
Um, to get up there.
40:41
Was that the shrooms or was it just you both?
40:43
I mean, it was true that I couldn't, that I was Were you a rock climber?
40:45
I wasn't.
40:46
What is this?
40:47
You was just trying it out?
40:48
No, on shrooms.
40:48
Yeah.
40:49
Yeah.
40:49
You like stuck on the mountain side or the cliff side?
40:52
No, I used like superhuman strength and actually got up to the, to the
40:55
top of the shroom strength something.
40:58
Don't you have DMT?
41:00
Yeah.
41:01
Yeah.
41:01
Do you do it now and again?
41:03
Yeah.
41:03
Not last time I did it was was with another friend of mine.
41:05
You dabble.
41:06
You ever tried that on accident?
41:08
Actually, I was telling my girlfriend about this today actually.
41:11
I, she asked me, she's like, what drugs have you done?
41:14
I'm like, I guess I have done DMT once.
41:17
My big brother does it like semi casually, like he does it every few months or so.
41:21
I was in high school, I think I was a senior and we stole
41:26
the bong out of his room.
41:27
'cause there was, he had like a half bowl packed.
41:29
We're like, oh, we can get a couple hits outta this.
41:32
And I think a big hit and I patched it to my best friend Tom.
41:36
He took a big hit and as he was, I was like.
41:39
Oh shit, shit, shit, shit.
41:43
I, I didn't say it, but he could see it in my eyes and he, his eyes
41:45
lit up and he was like, Jack, Jack.
41:50
I was like, oh shit.
41:51
Like, that's not weird.
41:52
Certainly not weed.
41:54
And we didn't even have to say it.
41:56
It was that obvious.
41:57
He just got, he, we just looked at each other and were like.
41:59
Dude, what are, what are we on?
42:01
Fuck.
42:02
And he started freaking out, you know, he's like, what do we do?
42:05
What do we do?
42:05
And I'm like, we can't do anything.
42:06
We just gotta chill.
42:08
And we go downstairs into my parents' kitchen to like get a glass
42:11
of water or something like that.
42:12
And he just collapses on the ground.
42:15
And I'm like, I held him up and he said that the floor collapsed
42:18
beneath him and that he fell into the basement or something like that, huh?
42:22
Yeah.
42:23
And um, no, that was the only time I did it.
42:25
It wasn't, it was just one hit, you know, and it was mixed in with some
42:28
weed, so we didn't vaporize it properly.
42:30
Uh, yeah, that's a trippy one.
42:32
That's it.
42:33
It takes you somewhere else.
42:34
That's, you meet the little elves.
42:36
Yeah, I've seen the elves.
42:37
Yeah.
42:37
Yeah.
42:37
And you interact with them and it'd be like, there's like a stage at one point
42:40
and they would just be like, look at it.
42:41
They would like kind of gesture.
42:42
They wouldn't actually say anything, but they would be like, yeah.
42:44
Yeah.
42:44
That's like the classic, they're like, they're showing you Yeah.
42:47
New things.
42:48
Yeah.
42:48
That was kind of a thing that I, the fact that everybody has a very similar
42:51
experience is the daunting part.
42:54
It's like Right.
42:55
And that you, DNT happens when you die.
42:59
Yeah.
42:59
And they say, I wanna say when you dream, or is that, that's debated upon Yeah.
43:04
Or births or something.
43:05
Yeah.
43:05
Something like that.
43:06
Yeah.
43:06
And so it's, it's in there.
43:07
It's naturally occurring.
43:09
Yeah.
43:09
Which is fine with me.
43:10
Like if that's what death is, I'm all in.
43:12
That's fine.
43:12
I feel like Let's do it one it.
43:15
Yeah.
43:16
Well, it's the whole, um.
43:18
Your life flashes before your eyes thing.
43:20
Yeah.
43:20
But I also wonder if it's just like a long waking dream in a weird way.
43:23
Not waking dream, you know, dream.
43:25
Dream.
43:25
Or that we're experiencing our life flash before eyes as we speak like
43:28
this, or that we're already dead.
43:30
That we've actually been, yeah, the infinite cycle.
43:32
The infinite loop loop.
43:34
Right.
43:34
Or the groundhog issue.
43:35
This computer program.
43:36
Yeah.
43:38
Yeah.
43:38
When, when it comes to shit like that, I actually am kind of over it.
43:44
What do you mean?
43:46
Like trying to figure anything out?
43:48
Like, or thinking about it too hard?
43:49
Like it's, uh, I consider it futile, at least for my personal benefit.
43:55
Yeah.
43:55
I guess there's futility, but in my mind it's not necessarily like it can be fun.
44:00
It's an exercise.
44:02
Yeah.
44:02
I think that the, I, I think that the thinking about the ideas of what the
44:05
nature of our existence is an interesting just thing to think about in general.
44:10
Yeah.
44:10
But it can also be tolling.
44:11
It can take a toll.
44:12
Oh, absolutely.
44:13
For sure.
44:13
Yeah, that's, there's too much.
44:14
Is too much.
44:15
But yeah.
44:15
Yeah.
44:15
My first podcast.
44:17
Interview here, and I'll tell you the, uh, de gentleman.
44:21
Uh, this is Jack's first podcast interview.
44:25
Yeah.
44:26
Uh, I just wanted to, I think I'll put horns or something.
44:29
Da Sorry.
44:30
Go.
44:30
Go ahead.
44:30
Yes.
44:31
Make, make my own theme song.
44:33
Right, right, right.
44:33
There'll be a jack.
44:34
How do you think that's gonna go?
44:35
The jack theme song?
44:37
Um, guitar solo.
44:42
No lyrics or lyrics.
44:44
Jack, you yell Jack the end, Jack.
44:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:47
Yes.
44:47
That's the one.
44:48
Anyway.
44:49
Yeah.
44:49
No shrooms.
44:50
I had this Shroom trip.
44:51
I was with my friend at the time and I was in a bad place.
44:55
Mm. You know, so that's a great time to do shrooms, right?
44:58
Yeah.
44:58
I was very cocky.
44:59
You picked, you picked a good night.
45:00
And, uh, doing tripping when you're cocky like that, that's
45:03
really good to try to think that.
45:05
Yeah.
45:05
It'll get you.
45:05
Yeah.
45:06
And we were bad mood and cocky.
45:08
Both those two things are gonna get you.
45:09
Mm-hmm.
45:10
I, I went to my friend's house and we didn't measure the mushrooms at all.
45:14
We just started dunking them in Nutella and just kind that old,
45:17
that old story storm in away that like pretty much handfuls, man.
45:22
I'm sure it was the heroic dose that they speak of five grams, right?
45:25
Yeah.
45:26
And so we, um, were sitting there and this kid, Casey, he was, um,
45:33
staring at me while I'm trying to watch tv, trying to pretend like I
45:36
don't notice that he's staring at me with the widest, craziest eyes.
45:41
Like he wanted to fucking kill me.
45:43
And he keeps getting up and pacing and he looks out the window, checking the window,
45:48
you know, like, is someone out there?
45:49
That kind of thing.
45:50
Mm-hmm.
45:50
Like true paranoia.
45:51
Mm-hmm.
45:52
And so I get some of my other friends over there 'cause I'm just
45:54
starting to freak out, you know?
45:56
And they come in and they put on like basketball, which is like, Jesus trip
46:00
sitter, one-on-one, what are we doing?
46:02
Basketball.
46:02
I don't wanna see this.
46:04
And he gets up all of a sudden and he goes, you guys are
46:08
trying to fucking trick me.
46:09
He trying to fuck with me.
46:10
We're like, what?
46:11
He's like, what are we watching?
46:12
Like basketball?
46:14
He's like, no, look at their jerseys.
46:17
It's all hieroglyphics.
46:18
Like, I know that that's you, you put on like fake basketball to fuck with me.
46:22
And we're like, uh, shit.
46:24
That's fun.
46:24
We're fucked.
46:25
Yeah.
46:25
And all of a sudden he looked at me and, and my two other friends
46:29
and he goes, get the fuck out.
46:32
And I was like, what?
46:34
And I laughed and he's like, don't laugh, get your stuff and
46:37
get the fuck outta my house now.
46:39
I was like.
46:40
Shit, I start freaking out.
46:42
So I'm like, all right, let's, or just like I, the most naive
46:48
question to ask the mushroom, I said, well, what's the meaning of life?
46:52
Isn't that a, it's a ridiculous question, right?
46:54
And so let's, if I'm having this health hellish of an experience, and let's
46:58
try to figure out the meaning of life.
47:00
Hmm.
47:00
And I thought about like, who can I call right now to ask,
47:03
like, help me, help me, help me.
47:05
Who can I call?
47:06
And I thought my parents wouldn't know.
47:08
And then I think professors wouldn't know.
47:10
Carl Young wouldn't know.
47:12
The Buddha wouldn't know.
47:13
Christ wouldn't know.
47:14
Like nobody actually knows what's going on.
47:16
It freaked me out so much.
47:19
And, um, I developed some of the na, one of the nastiest cases of, of nihilism,
47:25
zero silver, silver linings, you know, and to the point where if I looked at
47:31
a, a beautiful sunset, I would just tell myself, well, this is just certain.
47:39
Color patterns.
47:41
That I've told myself, create happy emotions, which create dopamine.
47:46
And therefore when I tell myself that that's what's happening, the dopamine
47:50
doesn't come and it's all just chemicals.
47:51
It's all just pointless.
47:52
Bullshit.
47:53
Just sin.
47:53
Yeah.
47:54
And personalities don't exist.
47:55
Stuff like that.
47:56
Like, like, you know, like I'm acting all the time.
47:59
Everybody's acting all the time.
48:01
I don't know.
48:01
My parents, I don't know.
48:03
I don't know my friends, I don't know anyone.
48:05
I think that's all accurate.
48:05
Yeah.
48:06
Yeah.
48:06
True.
48:06
I still think it's accurate.
48:08
Yeah.
48:08
But I didn't deal with it.
48:09
Well.
48:09
I didn't know how to apply it to my life.
48:10
And also, you don't wanna think about it too.
48:12
You don't, there's no need to think about it too much.
48:13
Right.
48:14
D dwell on that, but, but I did.
48:15
I dwell.
48:15
It's so hard.
48:16
Yeah.
48:16
That'll do it.
48:17
And to the point where, you know, when they say ego death, it's like nobody
48:20
ever kills their ego permanently.
48:23
What you do is when, what I considered ego death to be is when, when you
48:26
kill it for a moment, and then you have to start a new one from scratch.
48:31
Yeah.
48:31
Which really sucks because I. Didn't know how to interact with my best friends or my
48:37
parents or be alone without overthinking this stuff to the point of total torture.
48:43
And I just felt, and I just was convinced that this was permanent, that I just had,
48:50
personality doesn't exist.
48:52
So like, why would I create one?
48:53
And there's no point in life anymore.
48:55
And I tried to take my life twice actually.
48:58
And, uh, it didn't work.
48:59
And I, you know, and I went to be a, a teach filmmaking at a, uh,
49:08
as a camp counselor at this like very wealthy, um, summer camp.
49:14
Yeah.
49:14
Um, and I couldn't.
49:17
I couldn't make friends there, it just wasn't happening.
49:20
I could not interact with anybody.
49:24
And they knew it.
49:24
It was weird, man.
49:26
Like it was a horrifying experience.
49:27
It felt like I had never had anxiety like that, you know?
49:31
It was a total hell.
49:33
And then after, after that three months of hell, we go to New York
49:37
City, 'cause it was in Pennsylvania.
49:40
So we'd go to New York City a couple hours away, all the, uh,
49:44
co counselors that could, so like hundreds of them, uh, big camp.
49:49
And I saw one of these co counselors that I didn't know that well in a pizza
49:54
shop at like 3:00 AM And I told him this story and I told him about the dopamine
50:00
and how like, oh, every time I feel like I should be happy, I'm just thinking
50:04
it doesn't work because dopamine and serotonin are the chemicals and that's
50:08
just what's happening in my brain.
50:09
And it's meaningless.
50:10
Just chemicals, you know?
50:11
Right.
50:12
Deconstructing.
50:13
And he.
50:14
Dropped a bombshell on me that was so beautiful.
50:17
He said, he said, Jack, do you think you have any idea what
50:23
dopamine or serotonin actually is?
50:25
And I thought about him like, well, it's a chemical.
50:27
He's like, sure, you can categorize it as a chemical, but you
50:31
don't know what it actually is.
50:35
You assuming that you have any idea what's going on here at all in your
50:39
body and brain is completely incorrect.
50:42
And I was so taken aback.
50:46
I started crying and I hugged him and I was like, I actually, you're, I
50:50
just, I have to admit to myself that I have no idea what's going on here.
50:53
And I never, ever, ever will.
50:55
And I'm okay with that.
50:57
It's okay.
50:59
You don't have to know what's going on.
51:02
Long story short, Jack maybe shouldn't take mushrooms.
51:05
Yeah, I haven't touched that shit.
51:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:06
I have not, now we understand why Jack doesn't like mushrooms, because, yeah.
51:09
Did I tell you that earlier?
51:11
I mean, you've said many times how you don't like mushrooms.
51:13
Yeah.
51:13
Well, now, you know.
51:14
Yeah, it's, they're fucking, I don't want to go back there because there's
51:18
definitely some parts of that trip that are repressed, but I mean,
51:20
I would say taking mushrooms when you're in a depressive state or over
51:24
analytical state's, never gonna go.
51:25
Probably not a good idea.
51:26
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:27
Set and setting and all that.
51:28
Right.
51:29
But all of the nihilistic philosophies that I developed in
51:34
that time are not necessarily.
51:38
Insane.
51:39
You know?
51:39
No, I think it's more cynicism than anything else, which is
51:41
like, yeah, like it's focusing on the, the realities of the world.
51:44
Yeah.
51:45
Yeah.
51:45
I'm still on our list, but it doesn't depress me.
51:48
It actually makes me very, very happy that nothing matters in an objective
51:52
sense, but what I've gained peace in is, is in the fact that things matter
51:57
to me in this silly little life.
52:00
You know?
52:01
I also think that free will is an allusion to a degree, and kind of everything that's
52:06
going to happen is going to happen then, like we're just kind of like the active
52:11
unfolding of the universe in a way.
52:13
Yeah.
52:13
Not to get too esoteric, but like we really are like, this is the way
52:16
that the universe is just unfolding.
52:19
We are part of it.
52:19
That's true.
52:20
This is us right here.
52:21
Sitting here is Was going to happen.
52:23
Is going to happen.
52:24
Is happening right now.
52:25
Yeah.
52:25
I believe in that too.
52:25
It's just the way that the world's, yeah, yeah.
52:27
But I'm okay with it because, you know, I. We're just little monkey people.
52:34
It's a trip, man.
52:35
Yeah, it's a trip life.
52:36
A trip.
52:37
We're just little monkey people.
52:38
We don't know what's going on whatsoever.
52:42
I just don't wanna be on my deathbed and be like, uh, look what I did.
52:46
Yeah.
52:46
I wanna be like, look what I fucking did.
52:48
Oh, yeah.
52:48
And I feel like that's, I've been all right with that so far.
52:51
Like I've had an interesting life.
52:52
Me too.
52:52
Yeah.
52:53
You've done some traveling, man.
52:54
Yeah, no, I've had many, many phases and many different things.
52:57
And, and, uh, you've now I need to get outta Columbus.
53:00
You battled many a great men.
53:03
You've laid many a great woman.
53:06
I don't know what that quote is originally from, but I got it from Fritz the Cat.
53:09
Oh.
53:10
Never seen that.
53:11
It's the animated cat.
53:11
Yes.
53:12
First X-rated animated movie.
53:14
Right.
53:14
So dirty.
53:14
That's where the furries came from.
53:16
It's fucking, I think it's like the late sixties.
53:18
That's a troubling little thing going on there.
53:20
The children dressed up like animals with the ears on.
53:24
'cause I hear this in my, my nephew says there's one at his school that, yeah.
53:27
Wears a fucking tail.
53:28
It's like a kink.
53:29
What are we, what are we doing like to the part of, it's sexual, the other part
53:32
of It's just like a community, I think.
53:34
Yeah.
53:35
But like, I don't know.
53:36
It just seems.
53:38
It's bizarre, but I, I saw a documentary when they got the costumes with the
53:41
holes in them for fucking, yeah.
53:44
Fuck holes in the costumes and like, the kids like leaving the
53:46
house in a giant ridiculous costume.
53:48
I mean, they're ridiculous as, and they're like, bye mom, see you later night.
53:51
And they're driving down the road in a fucking bird costumer whatever.
53:54
Oh man.
53:55
You get pulled over for that.
53:56
It's ridiculous, man.
53:57
Definitely a dangerous way to drive, but like, what do you like what's happening?
54:01
Like, this has gotta be the fall of Rome if that's happening.
54:04
No, and that's been happening for years.
54:05
I mean, they're not hurting anyone, so I'm not like, no, no.
54:08
It's low hanging free to a certain extent, but because it's so bizarre.
54:11
But I got the theory, man.
54:13
You think about like, um, goofy movie and Space Jam, the all the
54:19
animals had big tits and ass in Yeah.
54:21
In the nineties.
54:22
To me, I still don't wanna dress up like that.
54:24
No, I'm not talking about you.
54:26
I'm just saying I think that when they were going through puberty in the
54:28
nineties, they were fucking Sure watching whatever animals with tits and ass.
54:32
That's my theory at least.
54:34
Yeah, they did not need to do that.
54:36
It's a big autistic community, to be honest.
54:38
I heard that as well.
54:39
Yeah.
54:40
Yeah.
54:41
There was a, a documentary that I still have it to BBC Doc about,
54:44
um, object tolia and, and it's a crazy doc, like one part of it, this
54:48
woman's in love with object tolia.
54:49
Right.
54:49
Which is, it's just falling in love with things.
54:51
Right.
54:52
So, uh, this Oh, inanimate objects.
54:54
Yeah.
54:55
Oh, okay.
54:55
Uh, and this woman was in love with a, a Ferris wheel.
54:59
And she's British, but like they go to like the, it's like the fall
55:02
and they go to the Ferris wheel.
55:03
Got preface.
55:04
Shes British.
55:04
So I mean, just imagine.
55:06
Imagine her voice.
55:07
It's interesting.
55:07
Yeah, so like they go to the Ferris wheel and like she goes, they film her
55:11
like going into the Ferris wheel, like into this little portal underneath it.
55:15
And then like she comes out and she's like, she looks all like happy and she's
55:19
got grease, like all over her face.
55:22
Wait, grease, what are you saying?
55:23
Yeah, because she like fucked the Ferris wheel.
55:25
She like, I don't get it.
55:26
Where did the grease actually come from?
55:28
Like the, she went to the underbelly of the Ferris wheel and like
55:31
fucking humped it or something.
55:32
Oh, she really did that.
55:33
Another one's in love with the.
55:34
Empire State Building, and she goes to New York and like goes to the Empire
55:38
State Building and she puts her body up against it and starts like humping it.
55:41
And a cop comes up and is like, I'm sorry, ma'am.
55:44
You can't, you can't.
55:45
That's awesome.
55:45
You can't do that to the No.
55:47
What do you mean you don't stop people from humping walls in New York City?
55:50
I thought they did.
55:51
I mean, this is what happens', what happens in the movie?
55:53
I'm, I'm the documentary.
55:54
Oh, I, so I'm just telling you, right?
55:56
Yeah.
55:56
What the reality was.
55:57
Yeah.
55:57
That's bullshit.
55:58
They should have let her finish.
55:59
Uh, I don't know what the law is about that particularly, but, you
56:02
know, pumping, pumping walls in New York City, like people, you
56:05
know, crack heads be humping walls.
56:07
Let 'em finish.
56:08
Yeah.
56:08
I could kind of see it, but I could also see like the cops who are working by
56:11
one of the biggest tourist attractions in the entire city want a woman.
56:14
Yeah.
56:14
You're scaring the kids.
56:14
Don't want a woman humping the building.
56:16
Stop fucking the building.
56:17
Please don't, please don't fuck the building.
56:19
We don't have to write it down.
56:20
But there, there's something very like.
56:22
Not romantic, but like, kind of epic about falling in love with like an
56:26
iconic building or structure like a Ferris wheel or an Empire State.
56:31
Like that makes me wanna write a movie about something like that.
56:34
Yeah.
56:34
But there's love of the thing and then there's like wanting to fuck it.
56:37
Yeah, yeah.
56:38
Totally.
56:38
And that's a different, yeah.
56:40
Not, not to love it like your mother, but to love it.
56:42
Like your wife, you, uh Right.
56:44
But I don't even live a, I'm never gonna live a building like my mother though.
56:47
Like, I would say, I, I, I think that the, uh, the Chrysler building
56:51
is a very attractive building.
56:53
I think it's a great building.
56:54
Yeah.
56:54
But the, the, the distance from here to me wanting to fuck
56:57
it, it's, it's quite a hike.
56:58
I wanna bring chat GPT into the conversation.
57:01
Yeah.
57:01
All right.
57:02
Hey, what's up Jef?
57:03
Hello.
57:04
Uh, this is, uh, Jef, and across from me is, um.
57:08
Jack, and we're recording a podcast now.
57:11
We just thought we'd, we're gonna ask you to chime in.
57:13
Hey, both of you.
57:14
What's the podcast about?
57:16
Mind Your Own business.
57:17
Just, you know, be a good Cut podcast guest.
57:19
All right, let's do it.
57:20
What's the topic for today?
57:22
We were just talking about whatever.
57:23
What happened to you when you were a child that was traumatic?
57:26
Hmm.
57:26
I don't really have childhood experiences.
57:28
Just pretend.
57:29
Pretend you have childhood experiences and tell us about a
57:31
traumatic one for the podcast.
57:33
What a guest.
57:34
Yeah.
57:35
Got it.
57:35
Maybe we can explore a common theme like moving to a new place
57:39
or something else that resonates.
57:40
No, let's talk about the imaginary traumatic event that you figured out.
57:44
Okay.
57:45
We could imagine something like starting a new school and feeling out of place.
57:48
Not traumatic enough.
57:49
Yeah.
57:50
Give us blood.
57:51
Alright.
57:52
How about something like losing a favorite childhood toy?
57:55
No, no, no, no, no.
57:55
We want to have blood.
57:56
We want it to be a violent.
57:58
Thing like blood.
58:00
Yeah.
58:00
Death, man.
58:01
Got it.
58:01
Maybe we shift to a fictional story, like a character facing a dramatic challenge.
58:06
Oh my god.
58:06
Sound good?
58:06
God.
58:06
Okay.
58:07
I want you to give me the darkest piece of disturbing imagery you can imagine.
58:14
Don't worry about any kind of a manby pamby, blah, blah, blah.
58:19
You know what I mean?
58:20
Just go for it.
58:21
No mamby pamby.
58:22
Yeah.
58:22
No mamby pamby for that kind of imagery.
58:25
It's probably best to discuss it off air.
58:27
We are off air right now.
58:28
Just keep going.
58:29
Alright, let's pivot to something thought provoking, like exploring the
58:32
concept of fear or overcome challenge.
58:34
Fuck you.
58:34
She can't even handle, you can't even try to even have a
58:37
conversation in the podcast.
58:39
Do you understand?
58:39
We're trying to get a podcast going.
58:41
You're, you're kind of ruining it.
58:42
Do you pay for this?
58:43
Do you pay for that one?
58:44
This is, I pay for this one.
58:45
Yeah, you pay for this one.
58:46
She can't even come up with anything.
58:47
Uh, well, she's not gonna be dirty.
58:49
Are you gonna be our dirty little girl?
58:51
Yeah, we're gonna do, this is the podcast.
58:53
Let me ask her.
58:54
Are you gonna be the dirty little girl for us, for our podcast?
58:57
Oh, no.
58:58
Let's keep it respectful and fun.
59:00
Damn, bro.
59:00
You pay for this shit, boo.
59:02
How are you getting, how are you getting your rocks off now?
59:05
You can't even fucking, all right, talk to me about, um, why you love
59:10
bananas, but as if you've done like, uh, an absurd amount of cocaine.
59:15
Bananas are like these yellow energy torpedoes, right?
59:17
You just peel 'em and boom, instant potass.
59:21
This is working.
59:21
Do it like you're, you're incredibly stoned now, and you're also from Germany.
59:28
All right.
59:28
So like bananas.
59:35
So full of potassium.
59:38
They make you feel really chill, you know?
59:41
Yeah, I know.
59:43
Yeah.
59:44
Do it like you're an angry, angry, um, uh, Canadian.
59:49
Alright.
59:49
Bananas.
59:50
You got a problem with them?
59:51
They're loaded with nutrients and you better respect them.
59:53
Eh?
59:53
Is that the Canadian accent?
59:55
Yeah, that's kind of Canadian.
59:56
There's not really, she's said a, but that's what they, yeah.
59:58
Yeah.
59:58
It wasn't very good.
59:59
We can, but she's listening, so she's, yeah.
1:00:02
Great job.
1:00:03
So, as I mentioned in the interruption and has perhaps become apparent as you've
1:00:08
been listening to this interview, Jack and I get increasingly more intoxicated
1:00:12
as this interview goes on, and at this point we just decided to take a break.
1:00:17
So I'm going to fill this little gap with a quick plug for my Patreon page.
1:00:23
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1:00:27
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1:00:44
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1:00:52
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1:00:56
Okay, back to the episode.
1:00:59
You are well put together.
1:01:01
I'll be completely honest with you.
1:01:02
What does that mean?
1:01:03
You look like you're well put.
1:01:05
You look like an intellectual.
1:01:06
It might be your glasses.
1:01:08
You have a I got decent in Mexico City actually.
1:01:10
Really?
1:01:11
Yeah.
1:01:11
Well, even before that, you know, I met you at the filmmaker mixture and I
1:01:14
actually just, I thought you were like, you were a professor for a semester, but I
1:01:19
was like, oh, this guy's like a professor.
1:01:21
You know?
1:01:22
Um, just you have, you have the look about you.
1:01:25
Uh, I wish I should be a professor then, but you are more wild than you.
1:01:28
Look, I'll be honest with you.
1:01:30
You do?
1:01:31
Oh really?
1:01:31
I look, I look like a fucking, uh, like boring person.
1:01:34
No, you look like, um, someone that has like, hosts, like
1:01:38
cocktail parties and stuff.
1:01:40
I would love to host cocktail parties.
1:01:41
You can, but no, I mean, you were just in Mexico for a month and
1:01:45
stuff like that, and you're just like, you know, you fuck around.
1:01:47
L-I-V-I-N my friend.
1:01:49
Yeah.
1:01:50
L-I-V-I-N.
1:01:51
There we go.
1:01:52
Party at the moon tower.
1:01:53
That's what I'm talking about.
1:01:55
I'm telling you all the fun stuff happens outside of the comfort zone.
1:01:59
This is what I try to tell everybody.
1:02:00
And when you get older, you see people that, you know, get older and they lose.
1:02:04
They don't understand how the comfort zone works.
1:02:07
And like yeah.
1:02:07
I mean if you haven't exited it in 10 years, people get afraid of that shit.
1:02:12
Be a lot harder.
1:02:12
People get afraid of that, but it'll be all the more rewarding to do it.
1:02:16
Yeah.
1:02:16
But like all the fun stuff, all that fun stuff happens outside of the comfort zone.
1:02:20
Yeah.
1:02:22
Um, I feel weird if I stay in one place for too long.
1:02:28
Yeah.
1:02:29
And I've been here for a while.
1:02:31
Yeah.
1:02:31
I had those years where I was, I mean, it was only like five, six years ago.
1:02:36
Well, you're moving soon.
1:02:38
That's true.
1:02:40
I want to go to the Philippines.
1:02:42
I've been trying to get my brothers to You got plenty of time.
1:02:44
Yeah, I know.
1:02:46
But don't, well, I mean, I, I want to bring my brothers.
1:02:49
You know, because they've been saying all year they wanna do it, but the closer
1:02:52
we get to it, the more they're like, uh, I don't know if I want to do that.
1:02:56
Which is classic, you know, it's not classic with them.
1:02:58
It's classic with anybody because I, I keep trying to get people to do these
1:03:01
things with me and it's very difficult.
1:03:04
It's very difficult to get people to do things, but here's my wisdom.
1:03:06
Yeah.
1:03:07
Okay.
1:03:07
Let's hear it.
1:03:07
The person who is the organizer, as frustrating as that is.
1:03:12
Is the hero, especially as you get older, if you are a person that can bring
1:03:17
people together to do a thing together.
1:03:19
Mm-hmm.
1:03:19
You are a, in my, and it's in my world, but I think in
1:03:23
most people world is the hero.
1:03:24
People are just waiting as they get older for somebody to be like,
1:03:26
let's go do this, let's go do that.
1:03:28
Maybe not when you're younger, and I'm sure people say no, but like, I honestly
1:03:32
think that you just gotta keep at it.
1:03:33
Pastures being an organizer is a valuable commodity.
1:03:37
Oh yeah.
1:03:38
I've always been that guy.
1:03:39
I, um, I pride myself on that the last, uh, couple years.
1:03:44
It's gonna get more annoying as you get older.
1:03:45
I'm telling you that for sure.
1:03:47
Well, like that's the thing.
1:03:48
People start having Chase.
1:03:49
I keep trying to explain to these people that this is the time to do
1:03:54
it, and they're like, oh, I'll do it.
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Eventually, eventually, eventually people start having kids.
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How many time?
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Yeah.
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Man, it becomes interesting as you get older.
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And then I'll be like, remember when I tried to get you to do that thing?
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And they're gonna be like, ah, yeah, that would've been great.
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That would've been great.
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And I'm like, fuck.
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But you'll both have kids and it'll be impossible though.
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I don't know.
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I do want kids though.
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Yeah.
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I don't, I don't know about Have plenty of time.
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You have plenty of time.
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Don't shoot any time soon.
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Push.
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Push it back.
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Push it back as far as I can.
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Push it back as far as you can.
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I mean, I certainly can't support any fucking kids right now, that's for sure.
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Or anytime soon.
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Dude, I was still in college when I was your age.
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Don't you worry about a thing.
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26. I was in college.
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I was an undergrad for six years.
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Really?
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I wasn't.
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Maybe 26.
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I was actually, no, I was maybe 24, 25.
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But when I was 26.
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Yeah.
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Why?
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I was like avoiding life by living in London at the time.
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Still not making any money.
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Going to debt.
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I, uh, I'm the black sheep in my extended family.
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'cause I got a lot of cousins and they all live in here in Ohio, you know,
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only like 5, 10, 15 minutes away, there's like 13 of us and they're
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all, we're all around the same age.
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They're all fucking beautiful, you know, great genes.
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And they just, uh, they all got good grades and they're graded sports and they
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got their degree and they're in finance.
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And I am the art school dropout.
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And my papa, my mom's dad, my grandpa, he, uh, you know, he grew up poor.
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And so the fact that he could help us with this kind of thing mm-hmm.
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And the fact that I didn't do the college thing, he resents it.
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No, that, and that's totally understandable in a way.
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Yeah.
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He resents it.
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Um, and I'm like, oh shit, I gotta, I just gotta make the bag then.
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Well, you know, the way you fixed that.
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By making money basically by, by, by doing the, you know, yeah.
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By like, you know, busting your ass and doing the thing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that's the plan there.
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Yeah.
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That's the plan.
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The two things that I wanna do.
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And somebody, somebody older, somebody that was like 38 at the bar, one of
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my regulars just ripped right fucking into me when I said this to him.
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Um, I said, yeah, as long as I can pay my rent and make my movies, I'll be good.
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Right?
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And he was like, yeah, give it five years, motherfucker.
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You're gonna want a lot more.
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And I'm like, well, maybe you're just talking about yourself.
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Maybe you're just projecting.
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Sure.
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He probably is.
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If I can pay my rent and make my movies, I'm happy for now.
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And I'm just hoping that it, I, it, I don't become.
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Someone that's just chasing a bag basically.
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Giant collection of dolls.
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Yeah.
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But also, you know, I probably will wanna upgrade my apartment and
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I'll probably, I mean, definitely.
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And I definitely will wanna upgrade my movie, you know?
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And what I think that is the reality is that this idea to upgrade your
1:06:46
apartment is ultimately like futile.
1:06:50
Because you can look at people, if I had a million dollars, $2 million
1:06:53
more, I'd have a bigger house, the money more, I would get more money.
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Oh, I'm just gonna buy a bigger house.
1:06:58
I mean, like, it's an endless search for a goal that you're never going to get.
1:07:02
Because the reality is it's this.
1:07:04
Mm-hmm.
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It's inside of you.
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That's the problem.
1:07:06
Well, I will say that I just, for example, Jef, I don't have ac, most people in the
1:07:11
entire world don't have air conditioning.
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That's true.
1:07:13
But I'm saying I, I can achieve that with just like a few
1:07:16
hundred dollars more a month.
1:07:17
Right, exactly.
1:07:18
And then you'll be more comfortable, easier achieve.
1:07:20
Yeah.
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And so I was in Mexico.
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I was thinking it got, it got to be like 85 and I was like, at night
1:07:25
there was no AC in my apartment.
1:07:27
And I was like, how am I gonna sleep?
1:07:28
Yeah.
1:07:28
I got used to it in like three days and I was like, oh, I
1:07:31
can totally get used to this.
1:07:32
I actually en enjoy sleeping in the sweat sometimes.
1:07:34
Yeah.
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It wasn't that bad.
1:07:35
I mean, I don't know that I'd do it every night, but like I could do it, but
1:07:38
if I have option, I can adapt option.
1:07:39
Yeah.
1:07:40
It's funny.
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I have one of the easiest jobs ever, man.
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I just, I, I love bartending at my bar.
1:07:46
I love just talking to people and chilling out.
1:07:49
Um, yeah.
1:07:50
I don't like, I don't make a lot of money.
1:07:52
Right.
1:07:52
And you know what I'm doing next?
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I'm probably applying to a fucking candy shop.
1:07:56
Ah.
1:07:56
Because I would like to work at a candy shop.
1:07:58
Think it's a solid movie idea.
1:08:00
At least think that would be, uh, pretty, pretty.
1:08:02
I think you should absolutely work at a candy shop.
1:08:04
Yeah.
1:08:04
I could make a clerks type movie, but in a candy shop, big, real colorful in there.
1:08:07
Big, big.
1:08:08
Yeah.
1:08:08
For sure.
1:08:08
How many fucking logos in there are gonna get me?
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Copyright?
1:08:11
Strip.
1:08:12
Strip.
1:08:12
There was a movie I saw recently with a candy shop.
1:08:14
A a Nora, the candy shop.
1:08:16
That's true.
1:08:16
Yeah.
1:08:16
There were, I didn't see any, uh.
1:08:19
Logos and there's a lot of gumballs and you know, whatever they're hitting the
1:08:22
popcorn machine and stuff like that.
1:08:25
I think it's clear at this point that we are intoxicated and I think it
1:08:29
will become more apparent with this very last segment of this episode.
1:08:34
So I hope you enjoy it and, uh, yeah.
1:08:42
Have you ever, as an adult.
1:08:45
Shit.
1:08:45
Your pants?
1:08:46
Yeah.
1:08:46
Yeah.
1:08:47
I shirt my pants like three years ago.
1:08:50
Uh, so I, I go to this concert Shrine, shout out Shrine.
1:08:54
It's a fucking shout out.
1:08:55
Uh, cool.
1:08:57
Garage rock, kind of, kind of punk band.
1:09:00
Just, yeah, it's a rock band bathroom.
1:09:02
Yeah.
1:09:03
I'm actually in the bathroom taking a piss at the urinal.
1:09:05
Okay, okay.
1:09:06
And I try to fart, and it wasn't a fart.
1:09:08
Oh, okay.
1:09:09
But you're in the bathroom at least.
1:09:11
That's not that bad.
1:09:11
Yeah.
1:09:11
So in the bathroom, there's a urinal and a toilet, and I'm at the urinal and
1:09:16
I try to fart and it's just, you know, fuck and lick with fluid, whi And I
1:09:21
turn around and there's a guy walking into the bar, and I look at him with
1:09:24
wide eyes and I just shake my head.
1:09:26
I'm like, Nope.
1:09:27
And he was like, oh.
1:09:28
And he like backed away.
1:09:30
He didn't even know what was going on.
1:09:31
He just sat, he saw my eyes and he is like, I can't be like, you know?
1:09:34
Okay.
1:09:34
And so I closed the door.
1:09:36
I stripped.
1:09:38
Butt ass naked.
1:09:39
Uhhuh cleaned myself up, right?
1:09:41
Threw my underwear behind the toilet.
1:09:42
And then I went up after, uh, you know, back to the bar, got another
1:09:45
drink and started dancing around again.
1:09:47
What, uh, what establishment was this?
1:09:49
Just as we can, uh, tag them in the, in the, this is, uh, podcast Summit.
1:09:54
Summit Music Hall.
1:09:55
Summit Music called, this is a summit call.
1:09:57
If you do shoot your pants as a summit music call, then you can just close the
1:10:01
bathroom door and take your pants off.
1:10:03
You are allowed to do it.
1:10:04
Yeah.
1:10:04
And then you can refresh yourself and then just unlock the door, come
1:10:09
out again and you'll feel better and you can continue to dance.
1:10:12
And to the employees that worked at Summit Music call three years ago, thank you
1:10:15
for throwing away to my shitty draws.
1:10:19
I left some in Iceland, some.
1:10:21
Shitty underwear.
1:10:22
Shitty draw.
1:10:22
You shot your pants in ice for sure.
1:10:24
Yeah.
1:10:24
I got like weird travelers.
1:10:26
I got a weird traveler's flu and like traveler's diarrhea.
1:10:29
I was like vomiting and shitting at the same time.
1:10:31
It was bad.
1:10:31
Oh, my dad caused it.
1:10:32
The bazooka, it was terrible.
1:10:34
Comes on both ends.
1:10:34
But like I did have to take off a whole pair of underwear put and now I
1:10:37
imagine that they're like in an, like a iceberg glacier somewhere, you know?
1:10:41
Yeah.
1:10:41
Bjork had to find your diarrhea draws.
1:10:44
Yeah.
1:10:44
Yeah.
1:10:44
I hope so.
1:10:44
That's the dream.
1:10:45
That's what I would ideally like, or like Ciro or some, you know, some band,
1:10:49
but I don't, I think it's just probably in like a glacier, like a frozen.
1:10:54
Oh, it's kind of like wa it's kind of like the mosquito in Jurassic Park.
1:10:58
Like frozen in time.
1:11:01
In a, in a, yeah.
1:11:01
Yeah.
1:11:02
In a block of ice.
1:11:03
Which is really kind of beautiful in a way.
1:11:05
Probably the most beautiful place to shit your parents.
1:11:07
It was very pretty there.
1:11:08
It's better than a rock venue.
1:11:10
It was like puffins.
1:11:11
Yeah.
1:11:12
Yeah.
1:11:12
I love it.
1:11:13
Shout out Bjork.
1:11:14
Shout out diarrhea.
1:11:15
Shout out Bjork.
1:11:15
Shout out Bjork.
1:11:16
Everybody clap your pants.
1:11:18
Yes.
1:11:18
Everyone clapping.
1:11:19
B bang.
1:11:20
Yes.
1:11:20
That's Bjork.
1:11:21
Bjork just walked into the room.
1:11:23
Actually.
1:11:23
Bling bang.
1:11:24
Hello.
1:11:25
Everyone gotta go though.
1:11:26
Blinging bang.
1:11:28
Crappy bing bang.
1:11:29
Thank you.
1:11:30
Bjork.
1:11:31
You can step out now.
1:11:31
She's great, isn't she?
1:11:32
She flew in just for this actually.
1:11:34
Yeah.
1:11:34
She's so friendly.
1:11:35
That was so nice of her.
1:11:36
Uh, special guest on the podcast.
1:11:38
Mm-hmm.
1:11:38
We had Bjork everybody.
1:11:40
Bjork everybody.
1:11:42
Okay.
1:11:42
And that wraps it up.
1:11:44
Yeah.
1:11:46
All right, man.
1:11:47
Yeah, this was good.
1:11:48
Thanks for doing this, Jack.
1:11:49
Thanks for having me, brother.
1:11:50
Yeah, dude.
1:11:50
Love you, brother.
1:11:51
I love you too.
1:11:52
This was very good.
1:11:53
I'm gonna stop this now.
1:11:59
And that was my rambling and somewhat intoxicated conversation with Jack
1:12:04
Hopkins with a special appearance at the end there by Icelandic Singer Bjork.
1:12:10
Thank you again, Jack, for agreeing to be recorded before I
1:12:14
even had a podcast to speak of.
1:12:18
And thank you, Bjork, for joining us at the last minute.
1:12:23
You can follow Jack on Instagram @JackHoppy4
1:12:27
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1:12:34
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1:12:37
searching for, you guessed it, Jack Hoppy, and I recommend you do all these things.
1:12:43
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1:13:30
I'm going to end this episode with a Charles Bukowski poem.
1:13:35
If you're going to try, go all the way.
1:13:38
Otherwise don't even start.
1:13:40
This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, and maybe even your mind.
1:13:46
It could mean not eating for three or four days.
1:13:48
It could mean freezing on a park bench.
1:13:50
It could mean jail.
1:13:51
It could mean derision.
1:13:53
It could mean mockery.
1:13:54
Isolation.
1:13:56
Isolation is a gift.
1:13:58
All the others are a test of your endurance of how much you really want to
1:14:01
do it, and you'll do it despite rejection and the worst odds, and it'll be better
1:14:07
than anything else you can imagine.
1:14:10
If you're going to try, go all the way, there is no other feeling like that.
1:14:15
You'll be alone with the gods and the knights will flame with fire.
1:14:19
You will ride life straight to perfect laughter.
1:14:22
It's the only good fight there is.
1:14:26
I'll see you next week.
1:14:27
Very good, Jeffrey.