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Is Dalton Kincaid a bust? Breakdown, evaluation, usage, & more | DC · Disguised Coverage

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Speaker 1: this episode of Disguised Coverage, we will be diving into
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Speaker 1: all things Dalton kincaid, a breakdown slash evaluation of his
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Speaker 1: skill set, his strengths, his areas of opportunity, his schematic usage,
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Speaker 1: how that compares to other young and successful and up
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Speaker 1: and coming tight ends in the league. We're going to
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Speaker 1: be using film and advanced metrics and having a holistic
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Speaker 1: discussion around the Buffalo Bills Year three tight end because
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Speaker 1: of just some of the recent discourse around him. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want to address this and we'll be speaking about
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Speaker 1: it at multiple points throughout the show. I'm sure I
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Speaker 1: know the thumbnail the graphic is seems like a little
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Speaker 1: dramatic potentially, but the reason I know labeled it and
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Speaker 1: kind of put bust on the graphic and then even
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Speaker 1: in the title here, you know, is Dalon kin Kate
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Speaker 1: a bus? So much of the conversation when I put
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Speaker 1: out a couple of weeks ago after the draft or
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Speaker 1: there was so much wide receiver discourse and not doing
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Speaker 1: enough to you know, have the Bills done enough to
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Speaker 1: support Josh Allen? Should they have taken a receiver earlier
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Speaker 1: in this most recent draft. Have they done enough in
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Speaker 1: the room, They've done enough to support Josh Allen, so on,
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Speaker 1: and so forth, the whole wgr and Brandon being things,
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Speaker 1: all of it. I put out a tweet later in
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Speaker 1: that week, a couple of weeks ago, just kind of
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Speaker 1: saying how Dalton Kincaid factors into that conversation that when
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Speaker 1: you're talking about the pass catchers for the Bills, it
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Speaker 1: can't just get boiled down to the wide receivers, positively
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Speaker 1: or negatively. Dalton Kincaid's trajectory and usage and production significantly
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Speaker 1: factors into the pass catching element of the Bills offense,
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Speaker 1: even though he's not a receiver. And then that ties
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Speaker 1: into the easy heat because he's a tight end. He's
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Speaker 1: more of a pass catching tight end. How does he
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Speaker 1: function as a blocker, How can he be? So on
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Speaker 1: and so forth. He's a first round pick the team
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Speaker 1: traded up for. That's kind of just how I put
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Speaker 1: that out there on Twitter, and Charles says, I don't
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Speaker 1: like the title of this episode, and we're gonna get
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Speaker 1: into it's not as dramatic from our perspective as we say.
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Speaker 1: As I said, but the reason I titled it that
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Speaker 1: was there were so many polarizing responses from folks, and
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Speaker 1: they really were at both ends of the spectrum. The
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Speaker 1: one end was, you know, he's still up and coming,
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Speaker 1: he's only going into year three or the injuries last year,
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Speaker 1: He'll be fine. I still believe in him. And then
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Speaker 1: the other end was, No, he's a bust, hasn't lived
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Speaker 1: up to a first round billing. I'm done with him.
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Speaker 1: That dropping the playoffs was the end all be all.
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Speaker 1: I've kind of washed my hands of him, so on
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Speaker 1: and so forth, and I wasn't expecting that level of
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Speaker 1: polarization around him. And because of that, and because of
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Speaker 1: how important a player I think he is to the team,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to put some things into perspective. So we're
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Speaker 1: going to dive into the metrics, dive into the tape
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Speaker 1: for Kinkaid in this episode, along with several other tight
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Speaker 1: ends in this episode, particularly Trey McBride, Sam Laport of
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Speaker 1: brock Bauers, three tight ends who Kinkaid gets compared to
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Speaker 1: a lot by Bills fans. Because I really wanted to
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Speaker 1: put the actual play style, production, the skill set, the usage,
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Speaker 1: all of it into perspective to properly rape this person.
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Speaker 1: Somewhat of a spoiler, I do not think Dalton Kinkaid
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Speaker 1: is a bust. I don't think my guest thinks Dalton
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Speaker 1: Kinkaid is a bust. But there are areas of opportunity
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Speaker 1: for him. There are limitations to his game along with
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Speaker 1: the strengths, and we are going to be diving into
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Speaker 1: all of those things in this episode. I mentioned my guest,
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Speaker 1: I am not alone in this episode. I am joined
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Speaker 1: by friend of the show, former member of Cover One,
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Speaker 1: particularly the Cover one film room with myself and Eric Turner,
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Speaker 1: now a big fancy man living in LA working for
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Speaker 1: the NFL, just big time wheeling and dealing out there
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Speaker 1: on the West Coast. I am joined by one of
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Speaker 1: my good friends and one of the people I love
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Speaker 1: talking football with the most, mister Kendall Mursky. Kend Of,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for the time, of course, Man, thanks for
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Speaker 3: having me. Happy to be back. It's been a bit
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Speaker 3: of a hiatus, but you know, Draft season gets crazy
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Speaker 3: at NFL Network, and I'm sure it was just as
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Speaker 3: crazy for you with everything going on. So Man, happy
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Speaker 3: to be back and kind of happy to be in
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Speaker 3: the mellow part of the NFL season and just kind
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Speaker 3: of get to soak it all in a little bit
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Speaker 3: before we get right back on that hamster wheel.
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Speaker 1: It's nuts how Eric and I were talking about it
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Speaker 1: yesterday in the film room, just how you know the
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Speaker 1: Bills play longer into the playoffs in an idea world
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Speaker 1: like they did they did this year. So you go
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Speaker 1: into the AFC Championship, so you still grind in Bills tape,
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Speaker 1: and then the championship weekend always leads into Senior Bowl
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Speaker 1: week so turnaround is nuts. There's no so there's no letup,
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Speaker 1: like the regular season ends and then it's like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: now you're behind on draft stuff, so you got to
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Speaker 1: throw yourself into draft stuff. But before you can throw
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Speaker 1: yourself into draft stuff, you have to get through free agency.
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Speaker 1: So I'm scouring free agents. I'm scouting, dude, It's nuts.
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Speaker 1: I'm scouring that and like league trends, defensively, schematically off
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Speaker 1: on offense and defense, player evaluations, all these things. Free agency.
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Speaker 1: Then the draft comes around, draft prep kicks in, and
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Speaker 1: then you get you finished with the draft and you
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Speaker 1: kind of, yeah, have like this little bit of a
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Speaker 1: law where you have rookie mini camp before it leads
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Speaker 1: into you know, OTA's and actual training camp of the
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Speaker 1: pre season. But yeah, it's just it's this is kind
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Speaker 1: of like the LUW but also not. It's it's just nuts.
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Speaker 3: It makes me wish I was a little bit older
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Speaker 3: and I had more resources during the drought years because
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Speaker 3: I was so like I had so much opportunity to
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Speaker 3: jump ahead because I was done with everything bills wise
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Speaker 3: in November December, turning the page forward. But like it's
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Speaker 3: so different now, you know, seasons ending in January. You know,
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Speaker 3: hopefully we'll get a season that ends in February. But like,
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Speaker 3: it's just crazy that turnaround time.
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Speaker 1: It makes me kind of like that's like the one
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Speaker 1: silver lining that like if the Bills got eliminated and
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Speaker 1: like the wild n wait, I get to get ahead
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Speaker 1: on stuff. Yeah, I feel I guess I go into
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Speaker 1: draft prep now, like, which is okay to stay up
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Speaker 1: till two am night over night overnight and that's what
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Speaker 1: it is. And if I didn't have like the organization
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Speaker 1: I have during college football season to kind of already
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Speaker 1: tears some guys to know what my path is. I don't.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel so far behind the eight
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Speaker 1: ball that I wouldn't even be able to start. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: and so now we get into the spot where the
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Speaker 1: team is starting to take shape a bit, right, So
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Speaker 1: we got the draft. There's always a chance that some
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Speaker 1: guys get cut or some guys get signed, but I
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Speaker 1: don't know, it's hard to put a percentage on it,
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Speaker 1: but like ninety seven percent of what the bills are
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five is what this roster is right now.
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Speaker 1: And so now we get into the spot where we
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Speaker 1: start evaluating what this team will look like from you know,
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five and beyond potentially. You and I
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Speaker 1: have had so many discussions this offseason via text and
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Speaker 1: on this show about the state of this team, what
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Speaker 1: they look like going forward, needs for this year, but
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Speaker 1: also needs beyond, and how all of those things kind
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Speaker 1: of coalesce into one. And as I mentioned in the intro, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Dalton Kinkaid, just I guess I I should have anticipated
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Speaker 1: it because the social media, but even just in real life,
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Speaker 1: like I feel like there's a lot of polarizing thoughts
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Dalton Kincaid, where there's not a
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Speaker 1: lot of middle ground, as there seems to not be
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Speaker 1: in anything. Yeah, a days in like society. But you
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Speaker 1: and I talk about this offline, and I mentioned it
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Speaker 1: the intro, just kind of why I titled it this
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Speaker 1: episode with this title and had it on the graphic.
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Speaker 1: Just a lot of people kind of writing Kincaid off
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Speaker 1: and almost like he's not even in the discussion given
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just solely due to that
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Speaker 1: drop or the production in general. When you think about
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Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid, whether it's where you're at right now, where
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Speaker 1: your head was at coming in this episode? High level?
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Dalton Kincaid? You know, two
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Speaker 1: years in the league, some injuries, multiple banged up in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four that kind of impacted him a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But he comes into twenty twenty five just a few
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Speaker 1: years removed from being a first round pick that the
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Speaker 1: Bill's traded up for and a guy that a lot
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Speaker 1: of us thought was going to be the tip of
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Speaker 1: the spear when it came to the passing offense last year.
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Speaker 1: Where's your head at when you think of, you know,
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Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid at this moment in time, I think a.
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Speaker 3: Lot of where I'm at is honestly kind of wiping
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Speaker 3: away almost clean slating what happened in year two and
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Speaker 3: act as if your three is yer two, because I
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Speaker 3: think what happened and me working in the fantasy space,
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Speaker 3: like I can talk about how people perceived Dalton Kincaid
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Speaker 3: going into year three, like no one wants him. Everyone
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Speaker 3: overdrafted him, even at of value. I feel like he
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Speaker 3: was drafted like tenth eleventh round this past year in
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Speaker 3: fantasy drafts. But people thought he was going to be
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Speaker 3: the focal point of the offense in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 3: and I really think going into twenty twenty five, the
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Speaker 3: reason this whole like is he a bust question is
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Speaker 3: coming up and all of the doubt and kind of
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Speaker 3: I guess depression over expectations for him is because of
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Speaker 3: how high the expectations were.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: And I don't even think it's wrong to say that
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Speaker 3: those expectations should have been high.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that was the issue. I just think.
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Speaker 3: Preseason expectations they always change when you get more answers
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Speaker 3: and you get more context into the season. We all
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Speaker 3: thought he was going to be used in a myriad
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Speaker 3: of ways by Joe Brady, like not just in the
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Speaker 3: ways and we'll talk about it when we get into
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Speaker 3: the film, but not just in the ways that we saw,
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Speaker 3: but beyond that. And we thought he was going to
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Speaker 3: be a target monster. We thought he was gonna be
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Speaker 3: on the field like all the time. He was gonna
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Speaker 3: be on the field more than knocks. And there were
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Speaker 3: things that happened, whether it was injury or just straight
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Speaker 3: up personnel and strategy and schematics where the bills were like,
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Speaker 3: we don't want him on the field this much. And
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Speaker 3: it's not even to say he's bad, it's just to
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Speaker 3: say there are certain things. There are certain boxes they're
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Speaker 3: trying to check on, certain personnel groups, certain play calls,
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Speaker 3: certain situations that he doesn't necessarily fit as well as
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Speaker 3: Sawson Knox and maybe even Spencer haw or Spencer Hawes
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Speaker 3: jack dude.
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Speaker 1: Eric and I were talking about it. Yes, I keep
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Speaker 1: calling Jackson haw Spencer Hawes, NBA center from Washington who
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Speaker 1: played for the Kings. Again. I bet I've even had
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Speaker 1: it written in my notes, like Spencer haw Jackson's. And
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Speaker 1: then a couple couple weeks ago, I was doing I
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Speaker 1: was doing draft stuff with Russ and I called Trent
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Speaker 1: McDuffie Isaiah McDuffie for the entire episode, the linebacker for
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Speaker 1: the Packers, like and just been falling apart.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a lot of names right now in
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Speaker 3: the Rolodex. Well, I shouldn't say right now that have
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Speaker 3: built through the Rolodex over years and years. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: everything on Mike Kincaid Take into twenty twenty five is
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Speaker 3: kind of cleaning the twenty twenty four slate clean and
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Speaker 3: almost acting as if it didn't happen. Because he's still
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Speaker 3: relatively young. I know he was drafted as an older prospect,
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Speaker 3: but he'sa on his first contract, he's entering year three.
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Speaker 3: He still has plenty of talent. I really feel like
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Speaker 3: injuries derailed a lot of what they wanted to do
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Speaker 3: with him, and I think there's a big part of
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Speaker 3: this that it's lost in the context of He's kind
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Speaker 3: of the offensive version of a designated pass rusher, right Like,
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Speaker 3: he just he has a role and he's really really
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Speaker 3: good at it. And I don't necessarily know if the
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Speaker 3: Bills want to make him this well rounded.
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Speaker 1: Unspecialized player.
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Speaker 3: I think they like that he's a specialized skill set,
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Speaker 3: and I think that's valuable to them, and I think
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Speaker 3: that's part of the reason they drafted Jackson Hawes, because
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Speaker 3: let's be honest, I mean, there is life.
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Speaker 1: I was like, it's Spencer, and I'm like, no, it's not,
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Speaker 1: you idiot, it's Spencer.
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Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, like, I really it's
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Speaker 3: it's really interesting and it's it is tough to kind
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Speaker 3: of bake in all that context, especially when you're so
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Speaker 3: hopeful going into a season. But they spread the ball
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Speaker 3: around a lot more than I think anyone really thought
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Speaker 3: they would, even with the whole everybody eats mantra like,
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Speaker 3: it really got spread around a lot, and I don't
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Speaker 3: think people were expecting it to the level that it
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Speaker 3: happened in twenty twenty four, and I think that helps
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Speaker 3: reshape expectations for twenty twenty five. Were sure, you can
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Speaker 3: still be very excited about Kincaid like you were going
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Speaker 3: into last year, but maybe it's regulated a little bit
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Speaker 3: more knowing how the ball is spread around in the
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Speaker 3: Bills offense.
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Speaker 1: That's a fair point. And there's so many things you
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Speaker 1: said that I will end up talking about it, but
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Speaker 1: one point I wanted to to piggyback on. It's something
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Speaker 1: you and I talked about via text there was that
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Speaker 1: picture circulating. You had asked me about it. You're like,
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Speaker 1: what's going on. There's something about like a picture of
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Speaker 1: him at camp or something like that, and I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he looks a little like skinny and for folks who
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Speaker 1: wanted him to add more muscle ar size and be
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Speaker 1: more of a blocking threat, it's not idea, YadA YadA.
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Speaker 1: And then you and I started talking about like, what
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Speaker 1: if that's not an accident, what if that's not like
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Speaker 1: always recovering from injury so he lost a little Wait,
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Speaker 1: what if it's by design? And they're like, you know what, dude,
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Speaker 1: just lean more into your the big wide receiver aspect,
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Speaker 1: and that's kind of how we're going to play you.
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Speaker 1: I think that's like, and again we're not saying that
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Speaker 1: is the thing, but that's a possibility. Yeah, like that
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Speaker 1: that could be the idea. And I find it so
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Speaker 1: interesting And we'll get into it when we talk about
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Speaker 1: his schematic usage, because the usage, and that's one of
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Speaker 1: my big takeaways coming into this episode in studying tight
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Speaker 1: ends across the league, you know, Kincaid and especially the
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Speaker 1: three that we're also going to be diving into the
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Speaker 1: tape with for this episode, but just for better or
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Speaker 1: for worse, the way things are designed in the Bills
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Speaker 1: offense aren't like what the Cardinals do for Trey McBride,
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Speaker 1: or what the Raiders do for brock Powers or what
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Speaker 1: the Lions do for Sam Laporter. You've got three teams
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Speaker 1: that really lean into their tight end and again or
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Speaker 1: not again. But you have to consider how those other
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Speaker 1: teams are made up, how necessary those guys are as
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Speaker 1: target monsters or the role they play. And also at
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Speaker 1: the same time, you can't really fault like Joe Brady
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Speaker 1: for non involving Kincaid more making him a direct guy,
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Speaker 1: because the offense just keeps rolling. They are a run
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Speaker 1: first team and everything stems from there. Despite Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: being the MVP and having this unicornate quarterback, they are
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Speaker 1: a run first team. And then Kincaid not being a
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Speaker 1: plus blocker is interesting how that fits in schematically, But
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Speaker 1: then there's still ways that they could use yes, and
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Speaker 1: there are ways that Brady could use him better. But
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Speaker 1: also you don't really vault Brady for not using him
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Speaker 1: more because the offense still hums. And then some of
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Speaker 1: it's on Kincaid and some of it's not. And so
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Speaker 1: I think it's fun to put all of that kind
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Speaker 1: of into perspective in this episode. And it's funny. You
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Speaker 1: just see the chat kind of. I brought up several
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Speaker 1: comments as you were speaking, Like even in the chat here,
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Speaker 1: there's different pieces of people being like, no, it was
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Speaker 1: a reach, No he's a bust, not he'll be fine.
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Speaker 1: What about the injuries, No, I don't care, he's a problem,
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Speaker 1: Like he's concerned. There's just it's just so up and
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Speaker 1: down and all over the place when it comes to
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Speaker 1: this guy who's still just going into year three and
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Speaker 1: had an injury Plague twenty twenty four, but I am
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Speaker 1: nonetheless excited to talk about him. Kendall, let's start off
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Speaker 1: with the blocking and then for folks who don't kind
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Speaker 1: of if you're watching live or watching later, listening, whatever
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Speaker 1: have you, the way we're going to go through here,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna start with the high level discussion or hire
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Speaker 1: or continue the higher level discussion, should say on Dalon Kkate,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go over him as a blocker, over him
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Speaker 1: as a pass catcher, over his schematic usage in this
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Speaker 1: offense based on advanced metrics and a lot of film study.
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Speaker 1: We grinded a lot of tape when it came to
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Speaker 1: Kincaid and prep for this episode. Then we're going to
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Speaker 1: go look at some tape of Dalton Kinkaid as a
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Speaker 1: blocker and as a pass catcher. And then we're going
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Speaker 1: to dive into some tape and some metrics for Trey McBride,
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Speaker 1: Sam Laporta, and Brock Bauers, just as a point of
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Speaker 1: reference and a nice juxtaposition for some other good young
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Speaker 1: tight ends. How they get used, how they don't get used,
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Speaker 1: comparing everything to kind of put it into a nice,
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Speaker 1: neat and tidy little bow for you folks in this episode.
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Speaker 1: Any questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, feel free to put them
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Speaker 1: up into the chat throughout the entirety of the episode.
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Speaker 1: Super chats as always get priority because I respect the
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Speaker 1: monetary donation and the color attracts me like a cat
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Speaker 1: with a laser pointer. So yeah, Kendall, let's start off
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Speaker 1: with Dalton kincaid and his evaluation. We'll start off with
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Speaker 1: him as a blocker. I want to start with this
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Speaker 1: because I think this is this is something you and
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Speaker 1: I talked about when he was drafted out of Utah,
17:55
Speaker 1: the idea of him being a willing blocker, but not
17:58
Speaker 1: necessarily a plus blocker because a combination of size frame,
18:02
Speaker 1: how he's built a little more length in his limbs,
18:04
Speaker 1: but not necessarily the thickest or the densest type of guy,
18:07
Speaker 1: not the necessarily the best technique, but him being more
18:10
Speaker 1: of a pass catching first type of titand more of
18:13
Speaker 1: a pass receiving weapon. However you want to label it
18:17
Speaker 1: as opposed to this true dual threat even though he
18:19
Speaker 1: was willing and could get away with some things as
18:22
Speaker 1: a blocker. And now fast forward going into year three,
18:26
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the sticking point for so
18:28
Speaker 1: many folks and they talk about him not being able
18:31
Speaker 1: to block and how it is a hindrance and how
18:33
Speaker 1: much of a limitation as it is. So let's lead
18:35
Speaker 1: off with that Kincaid as a blocker. What are your
18:38
Speaker 1: thoughts after going through the tape kind of studying him
18:41
Speaker 1: and also again taking into account the injuries in twenty
18:44
Speaker 1: twenty four which he injured his shoulder slash collar bone
18:47
Speaker 1: early in the season. I believe it was the Houston
18:49
Speaker 1: Texans game when Alan threw him overthrew him a little
18:52
Speaker 1: bit he dove tried to get it, jacked up his shoulder,
18:54
Speaker 1: and then what did he do to his PCL in
18:56
Speaker 1: week ten? Yeah, it was Week ten against the Colts
18:59
Speaker 1: and then so torn PCL I believe right torn in
19:02
Speaker 1: his knee.
19:03
Speaker 3: I actually don't know if it was fully torn. Yeah,
19:05
Speaker 3: I feel like sprain.
19:06
Speaker 1: Sprain's technically our tears, but either way, jacked up his knee.
19:08
Speaker 1: Then we played through both that impacted and further But
19:12
Speaker 1: Kendall again Kincaid as a blocker, the floor is yours.
19:16
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts. I'm still on the train.
19:19
Speaker 3: He's very willing, Like I honestly think that's the main
19:24
Speaker 3: thing with him when you're talking about the upside to
19:27
Speaker 3: him as a blocker and the potential for growth, Like
19:30
Speaker 3: it's never been an issue for him to want to block.
19:33
Speaker 3: It's it's really just been an ability thing. Yeah, the
19:37
Speaker 3: uncatchable targets thing, I'll throw that in there when we
19:39
Speaker 3: get to it. I have a stat on it.
19:42
Speaker 1: I you know what, I was going to tell you
19:43
Speaker 1: to do one And then in my hat, I was like,
19:44
Speaker 1: he's already gonna have that. Yeah, I got it. It's
19:46
Speaker 1: it's in the holster. But when we get to it all,
19:48
Speaker 1: I'll draw the gun.
19:51
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's a willing blocker. It's really not it's
19:54
Speaker 3: not a mentality thing. It's just a physicality thing. And
19:57
Speaker 3: we heard that from Brandon Bean, we heard that from
19:59
Speaker 3: Sean derm It, we heard that from all the people
20:01
Speaker 3: that matter at one Bill's drive. It's it's really just
20:05
Speaker 3: comes down to technique and physicality. But then at the
20:09
Speaker 3: other end of it, like it goes back to this
20:11
Speaker 3: high level conversation of like what do we want this
20:13
Speaker 3: guy doing? Yes, like do we truly want him on
20:16
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage? And I think drafting Jackson Hawes
20:19
Speaker 3: kind of gives you an answer on what they want,
20:23
Speaker 3: because there was sure if the Bills didn't draft Jackson Hawes.
20:28
Speaker 1: I think there's the.
20:29
Speaker 3: Looming question in the back of your head, what do
20:32
Speaker 3: the Bills do at why tight end when they move
20:36
Speaker 3: on from Dawson Knox, or maybe they don't move on
20:39
Speaker 3: from Dawson Knox. Maybe they they managed to retain him
20:41
Speaker 3: at a more cost effective contract long term. But you know, hypothetically,
20:46
Speaker 3: let's say that that's something that the Bills are considering.
20:51
Speaker 3: Every fan is wondering, Okay, who's the in line tight end. Now, Yeah,
20:56
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't seem like it's gonna because that's really
20:59
Speaker 3: what's going on right now.
21:00
Speaker 1: With kin Kida.
21:01
Speaker 3: It's very siloed. His role is very obvious. Sure he
21:06
Speaker 3: can do some things blocking in line, but he's usually
21:10
Speaker 3: the second guy attached to the line of scrimmage. He's
21:13
Speaker 3: very rarely the guy right next to the tackle. Honestly,
21:16
Speaker 3: a lot of times when he is the guy next
21:18
Speaker 3: to the tackle, he's on the weak side of the play,
21:20
Speaker 3: like because Dawson Knox is on the strong side of
21:23
Speaker 3: the play and there are two tight ends on the field.
21:25
Speaker 1: So I'm we just talked about it before the show.
21:29
Speaker 3: Like on a scale from one to ten, he's not
21:32
Speaker 3: a one, Like this isn't a big issue. He's somewhere
21:35
Speaker 3: probably between four and five, which is workable. Like you
21:38
Speaker 3: can use him in certain situations. You're not completely handicapped
21:42
Speaker 3: when it comes to, oh, we need to run this play,
21:44
Speaker 3: we'd like to have him on the field for a
21:46
Speaker 3: sense of illusion, we might pass the ball, whatever it
21:49
Speaker 3: might be. He's not going to be that much of
21:51
Speaker 3: a liability. But like you said earlier.
21:54
Speaker 1: Not a plus blocker.
21:55
Speaker 3: You're really not going to win that side of the
21:58
Speaker 3: field because of his blockings skill. So hopefully that's an
22:01
Speaker 3: area of improvement. Hopefully that's something that he's going to
22:03
Speaker 3: focus on. But yeah, I don't. Truthfully, I don't want
22:07
Speaker 3: him to add ten pounds.
22:08
Speaker 1: I don't.
22:09
Speaker 3: I want him to keep his fastball and maybe inch
22:12
Speaker 3: by inch one percent better each day, get better at blocking.
22:16
Speaker 3: I don't really need him to become like this six
22:19
Speaker 3: out of ten blocker. As long as he's comfortably around
22:23
Speaker 3: five and he's still doing the stuff he does as
22:26
Speaker 3: a pass catcher, I'm truthfully fine with it, and I
22:30
Speaker 3: think that's fair.
22:31
Speaker 1: I'm in a pretty similar boat. I think he is
22:36
Speaker 1: such a good and I'm gona speak out of both
22:38
Speaker 1: sides of my mouth a little bit and also save
22:40
Speaker 1: something for this comatic usage piece. But he's he's such
22:44
Speaker 1: a mismatch. He has such mismass potential as a pass
22:48
Speaker 1: catcher and as a route runner receiver. However you want
22:52
Speaker 1: to label him like that, all I need him to
22:54
Speaker 1: be is serviceable exactly as a blocker, I think right
22:59
Speaker 1: now again, you know you mentioned us talking offline about it. Yeah,
23:01
Speaker 1: I think somewhere between like a four to four and
23:02
Speaker 1: a half as a blocker. My issue with it is
23:06
Speaker 1: and again we talked about it when he got drafted.
23:09
Speaker 1: We talked about it for years. Like the whole idea
23:11
Speaker 1: of personnel and being able to dictate to a defense
23:16
Speaker 1: and being able to access more of the menu without
23:18
Speaker 1: having to turn the page. A significant chunk of going
23:22
Speaker 1: into twelve personnel is the value of how does the
23:28
Speaker 1: defense match you? Because twelve personnel, if you've got two
23:31
Speaker 1: tight ends that can both function as pass catchers and blockers,
23:34
Speaker 1: you can increase your run game and pass game menu
23:38
Speaker 1: in a multitude of ways. You can go condense, you
23:39
Speaker 1: can go spread, you can if you have more bodies
23:42
Speaker 1: attached to the line of scrimmage, your run game menu
23:44
Speaker 1: increases significantly. But you can get to all these different
23:47
Speaker 1: things and make the defense go, oh, do we have
23:52
Speaker 1: to put a third safety? Do we have to put
23:53
Speaker 1: a third linebacker? Can we stay in nickel?
23:56
Speaker 2: Like?
23:56
Speaker 1: How do we cover these guys? What do we do?
23:58
Speaker 1: And so, if he's not serviceable as a blocker and
24:02
Speaker 1: he is more of just a big wide receiver hipped
24:04
Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage, like you mentioned, it does
24:08
Speaker 1: impact his value in a negative way. It reduces it,
24:11
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's been to this degree where
24:14
Speaker 1: it significantly tarnishes who and what he is. But there
24:18
Speaker 1: are things you can't get to. I think a lot
24:21
Speaker 1: of them, to your point, should have been kind of expected.
24:25
Speaker 1: Like I never expected him to become a plus blocker.
24:27
Speaker 1: He was never going to become George Kettle. He was
24:29
Speaker 1: never going to become Gronk or you know, even off
24:34
Speaker 1: the field issues aside like Aaron Hernandez as a receiver
24:36
Speaker 1: and as a blocker, like these guys who could live
24:38
Speaker 1: in the light in the dark and do both of
24:40
Speaker 1: these things, he was never going to be that. You
24:41
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a four and a half to
24:44
Speaker 1: a five as a blocker. If he could be a five,
24:46
Speaker 1: that's great, because as a pass catcher he's like an
24:49
Speaker 1: eight and a half or a nine, and we're gonna
24:51
Speaker 1: show some tape of that. But my biggest issue with
24:53
Speaker 1: it is just what his ceiling is as a player
24:57
Speaker 1: and how that's tied to the offense. Because right, he's
25:01
Speaker 1: not so bad that he's deficient or he's a vulnerability
25:05
Speaker 1: out there, but it is somewhat of a tell or
25:09
Speaker 1: at the very least impacts your ability to have access
25:14
Speaker 1: to that menu and to be able to dictate to
25:17
Speaker 1: a defense, because if he can't function as a blocker,
25:19
Speaker 1: or if you have to consistently like okay, he's the
25:23
Speaker 1: in line tight end or he's hipped off, we know
25:26
Speaker 1: they're not going to have him try to block somebody
25:27
Speaker 1: on the line. They're going to try and ark him
25:29
Speaker 1: and put him to our corner or our nickel because
25:31
Speaker 1: we know he can't match up that way. Then you
25:34
Speaker 1: kind of telegraph things a little bit, or at the
25:36
Speaker 1: very least, you are hindered. Your schematic potential is hindered.
25:40
Speaker 1: His potential is then hindered. You kind of chase your
25:43
Speaker 1: tail a little bit. So I don't think. I don't
25:46
Speaker 1: think his blocking is this thing that has ruined him.
25:50
Speaker 1: It hasn't progressed the way I wanted it to. I'm
25:55
Speaker 1: hoping from a silver lining perspective, it was because of
25:58
Speaker 1: more the injury this has. That's that's kind of why
26:01
Speaker 1: I'm holding out. Yeah, like that's what I'm holding out,
26:03
Speaker 1: hope a little bit. But someone said in the comment,
26:05
Speaker 1: like saying is a saying he's a willing blocker is
26:09
Speaker 1: a nice way of saying he's not a good blocker.
26:11
Speaker 1: I slightly disagree with that because like blocking on offense,
26:15
Speaker 1: I don't know, like seventy five eighty percent of it
26:17
Speaker 1: is just for its effort. You have to want to block.
26:20
Speaker 3: Now, the same thing with tackling, Like, yes, you have
26:23
Speaker 3: to have to want to do it, Like that's really
26:26
Speaker 3: a big part of it.
26:27
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a huge piece. That's why people we say
26:29
Speaker 1: all the time like you can tell like how well
26:31
Speaker 1: a team is bought in by how the receivers block
26:34
Speaker 1: on offense. That's why people thought about the packers offense,
26:37
Speaker 1: like their receivers all block their butts off like that,
26:40
Speaker 1: think their job depends on it. This comment I thought
26:42
Speaker 1: was pretty good. I think it's a good way of
26:43
Speaker 1: saying it. Comment by thirteen he says he's not a
26:45
Speaker 1: good blocker. He's more of a quote getting the way
26:48
Speaker 1: type of blocker. He's just getting in the way of
26:50
Speaker 1: the defense, and I think that's fair. I think he's
26:51
Speaker 1: more of an obstructor and a shepherd as a blocker
26:55
Speaker 1: than he is like a people mover displacer the willing,
26:58
Speaker 1: but the willingness is there. He's not soft, he's not
27:01
Speaker 1: scared of contact. He's just better suited to block Nickels
27:06
Speaker 1: corners some safeties depending on the size. It's more just
27:10
Speaker 1: his size and frame. He's not the thickest guy. He's
27:13
Speaker 1: more length than wiry. He's fluid as an athlete, but
27:16
Speaker 1: that type of fluidity doesn't lend itself to being a
27:20
Speaker 1: dense hammer as a blocker. He's more of a nail
27:24
Speaker 1: and he's gonna receive that contact as opposed to dishing
27:27
Speaker 1: it out, which again impacts where you line him up,
27:30
Speaker 1: how you use him, and so on and so forth.
27:32
Speaker 3: I think the conversation that you were just having with
27:35
Speaker 3: yourself on like how he fits into this offense is
27:38
Speaker 3: so poignant because it's it's not about how it's limiting
27:44
Speaker 3: who he is as a player. It's like it's so
27:47
Speaker 3: indirectly just limiting his snaps. Yes, Like that's really what
27:52
Speaker 3: it comes down to me.
27:53
Speaker 1: I got it part of the reason the offense, Yes,
27:56
Speaker 1: And I also real quick within that, keep your thought,
27:58
Speaker 1: don't lose it. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I
27:59
Speaker 1: want to get this. I think it's also part of
28:01
Speaker 1: the reason too, why you lean into like six offensive
28:03
Speaker 1: lineman sets right, because you get that heavy aspect and
28:07
Speaker 1: then you can almost use Alec Anderson as the blocking
28:11
Speaker 1: tight end and be able to do more pass catching
28:14
Speaker 1: things with Kinkaid because you feel somewhat more limited in
28:16
Speaker 1: a true twelve personnel type of world.
28:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and that's really all it is. It's just
28:23
Speaker 3: it's not that he's not good enough to block. It's
28:27
Speaker 3: that he might not meet the threshold of comfort that
28:32
Speaker 3: you know, Joe Brady might have in certain aspects of
28:35
Speaker 3: the offense where it's like, Okay, this kind of dictates
28:39
Speaker 3: what I want to do with personnel groupings, and then
28:42
Speaker 3: it just organically in that way limits his snaps, and
28:45
Speaker 3: then once you limit his snaps, you limit his output.
28:48
Speaker 3: And once you limit his output, you're like, is this
28:51
Speaker 3: return on investment worth it? We just traded up for
28:53
Speaker 3: this guy when we didn't even need a tight end,
28:56
Speaker 3: you know, from outside perception.
28:58
Speaker 1: So it all kind of like.
29:00
Speaker 3: You can really do this spiral and just really ruminate
29:04
Speaker 3: on this and like, oh my god, this whole thing
29:06
Speaker 3: is just a terrible, terrible luxury pick from twenty twenty three,
29:10
Speaker 3: but like, yes, you have to really massage it and
29:15
Speaker 3: understand they probably weren't really expecting him to be this
29:20
Speaker 3: plus blocker, but it is a scary thought, thinking like
29:25
Speaker 3: maybe he didn't progress to the level they thought he could,
29:27
Speaker 3: and that's limiting how much they actually want to use
29:30
Speaker 3: him because the way being in McDermott talked about his
29:33
Speaker 3: lack of physicality in reference to his injuries. Yes, that's
29:38
Speaker 3: kind of damning in the aspect of well, it sounds
29:42
Speaker 3: like there's something a little left to be desired that
29:45
Speaker 3: they had envisioned for him when they drafted him.
29:48
Speaker 1: But you know, a lot a lot.
29:50
Speaker 3: Of Bill's draft picks broke out in year three, so
29:52
Speaker 3: we got we got a hold on to that at
29:55
Speaker 3: least through this year.
29:57
Speaker 1: And I think that's a huge part of it too, Right,
29:58
Speaker 1: Like the general rule thumb is you can't make a
30:01
Speaker 1: concrete decision on any prospect until year three, and I
30:06
Speaker 1: think that's as a general rule of thumb, I think
30:08
Speaker 1: that's good, and even more so for a guy again
30:11
Speaker 1: who got significantly banged up in his second year and
30:16
Speaker 1: the direction that they want with him I think is
30:18
Speaker 1: so interesting, especially too, Let's also factor in I mean
30:21
Speaker 1: the coordinator change, right, was he more of a endorse
30:25
Speaker 1: he want than a Joe Brady want? Like? What how
30:28
Speaker 1: much does that impact things? A little bit, and I
30:33
Speaker 1: just I find it hard to think that they weren't
30:38
Speaker 1: expecting some semblance of improvement as a blocker, or expecting
30:41
Speaker 1: him to function in that world regularly, because again, you don't.
30:45
Speaker 1: You don't take Dalton Kincaid after already paying Dawson Knox
30:50
Speaker 1: and not think, man, we're gonna like live in twelve.
30:53
Speaker 1: There's so many things we can do. Again, we talked
30:55
Speaker 1: about it, because how good of a pass catching threat
30:57
Speaker 1: he is. You can go twelve and you could go condensed,
31:00
Speaker 1: you could go spread, you can go two by two,
31:02
Speaker 1: three like three by two, especially with James Cook. You
31:04
Speaker 1: can do all these things, like it's the menu aspect.
31:08
Speaker 1: But if he's not the blocker you need him to be,
31:10
Speaker 1: if he's not sustainably functional, that hinders all of that
31:14
Speaker 1: menu potential, all of that dictation capability as an offense.
31:18
Speaker 1: And then so then but then it's still possible, because
31:21
Speaker 1: then in my head, I'm like, well, do they think
31:23
Speaker 1: that he's just such a good element as a receiver
31:27
Speaker 1: that they just considered him a receiver. That's part of
31:30
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna get into my schematic usage part. But yeah,
31:34
Speaker 1: I think the way he's painted as a blocker. It
31:38
Speaker 1: needs just again, like how we put it into perspective
31:41
Speaker 1: needs to be put in that perspective. He is not
31:43
Speaker 1: a lost cause, he is not a vulnerability, he's not
31:45
Speaker 1: a deficiency. But he is not a plus. And again
31:49
Speaker 1: he could become a plus in year three. Maybe the
31:51
Speaker 1: technique improves, maybe the injuries in year two really were
31:54
Speaker 1: a problem. But I just don't see him ever being
31:57
Speaker 1: a guy that you're gonna be like, yeah, he can
31:59
Speaker 1: wash down edge, or he can base block and hold
32:02
Speaker 1: up against a bigger body or a more physical linebacker
32:05
Speaker 1: or even any defensive lineman like some of the clips
32:07
Speaker 1: that we're going to show from other guys, even if
32:09
Speaker 1: it's just for half a second or one second, Like,
32:11
Speaker 1: I just think he's gonna be a guy that gets
32:13
Speaker 1: more compressed. I don't think he's built to be a y.
32:16
Speaker 1: I think he's built more as the f that adjuster
32:19
Speaker 1: that hipped off tight end, more of a power slot,
32:22
Speaker 1: even a quasi X and that can still work based
32:26
Speaker 1: on how good of a pass catcher he is. It
32:27
Speaker 1: just changes what the ceiling is for him, changes what
32:30
Speaker 1: the ceiling is for the offense, makes it a little
32:33
Speaker 1: less ideal for the pick, but he still conn have
32:36
Speaker 1: value overall. He's just yeah, right now, he's not a
32:39
Speaker 1: plus blocker. I don't know if he's gonna be. And
32:41
Speaker 1: then I know some comments in the chat John Roberts
32:43
Speaker 1: just said it like he needs to muscle up more
32:44
Speaker 1: and needs to add more weight. I think that's a
32:46
Speaker 1: slippery slope because part of what makes him so good
32:49
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher, which I'm sure we'll talk about
32:51
Speaker 1: in a minute the next segment, is I always kind
32:53
Speaker 1: of call it the technical fluidity that he has, Like
32:56
Speaker 1: he understands leverage and he plays with good body lean
32:59
Speaker 1: and he's got you know, good burst. His ability, he
33:01
Speaker 1: always does that you know, that drop step when he
33:04
Speaker 1: catches passes, whether he's deep or in the shorter intermediate,
33:07
Speaker 1: like he's catching it and he's already moving and destriy.
33:09
Speaker 1: He's so fluid. Yeah, you gotta be careful when you
33:11
Speaker 1: add more muscle because if you add more muscle, does
33:14
Speaker 1: he get a little more rigid? Yes, he took the
33:16
Speaker 1: words right out of my mouth. Does he get more
33:17
Speaker 1: stiff and rigid as a player? Does some of that
33:19
Speaker 1: fluidity in his release or in his stems or on
33:22
Speaker 1: the break or in the route. Does that change a
33:25
Speaker 1: little bit? It's a very it's a very delicate balance
33:27
Speaker 1: between pliability and strength and muscle mass and all of
33:31
Speaker 1: those things call lessing into one. So it's five pounds
33:35
Speaker 1: of muscle could be a significant difference for him to
33:37
Speaker 1: add on or maybe not. Maybe he could add five
33:39
Speaker 1: to ten and feel completely fine. It's just not the
33:43
Speaker 1: easiest fixes. But yeah, we'll just have him add more muscle. Also,
33:46
Speaker 1: sometimes guys just can't. It took aj Abanessa like three
33:49
Speaker 1: years to figure out how to get to the weight
33:51
Speaker 1: that they needed him to get at between diet and
33:53
Speaker 1: workout regimen, and then you're trying to figure out like, Okay,
33:56
Speaker 1: the calories that I need to intake, the workout routine
33:59
Speaker 1: that I need, the cardio that I need to do
34:01
Speaker 1: because I don't want to burn too much that I'm
34:03
Speaker 1: losing weight, So how do I maintain It is such
34:05
Speaker 1: a fine science. It is very very difficult, yes, which
34:09
Speaker 1: is also I think annoying in this conversation because of
34:11
Speaker 1: your thought, Like if you're drafting and being like, well,
34:13
Speaker 1: we just got to get him to add more muscle,
34:14
Speaker 1: it's like can his frame do that? How much you
34:17
Speaker 1: change in his body composition, all of these things, and
34:20
Speaker 1: if he already has some injury history, is more muscle
34:23
Speaker 1: mass really going to help that because you're making him
34:25
Speaker 1: heavier like it's it is a slippery slope, and I
34:28
Speaker 1: do think again part of the reason my biggest concern
34:31
Speaker 1: for him coming out was what he would be as
34:33
Speaker 1: a blocker, because if he can't function as a blocker
34:36
Speaker 1: the way that they need him to, it just limits
34:38
Speaker 1: his value because he's not necessarily a dual threat tight end.
34:41
Speaker 1: He's more of just a big bodied wide receiver, which
34:43
Speaker 1: can still have value, just not as much as being
34:47
Speaker 1: a true dual threat tight end in twelve personnel.
34:49
Speaker 3: Honestly, back to the draft point though, like you gotta
34:53
Speaker 3: think that the Bill's player personnel department was aware of
34:58
Speaker 3: how much time on task he with football and also
35:01
Speaker 3: his age when he was drafted. I feel like there
35:03
Speaker 3: was a there's a large contingency contingency of that group
35:08
Speaker 3: that understood he's kind of maxed out, like he was
35:12
Speaker 3: an older prospect, and they probably knew he was pretty
35:15
Speaker 3: close to a finished product. It was just going to
35:17
Speaker 3: be polishing here and there. And you think about how
35:20
Speaker 3: he hit the ground running as a rookie, and that
35:22
Speaker 3: kind of speaks to how NFL ready he was and
35:25
Speaker 3: how close he was to that final product. So I
35:29
Speaker 3: think year three, what we're looking for is an improvement
35:33
Speaker 3: off the rookie season with some more polish like truthfully,
35:37
Speaker 3: that's all I think we're looking for in year three.
35:39
Speaker 3: But who knows, Like the body recomposition could be a thing,
35:44
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm with you on the slippery slope. Like
35:48
Speaker 3: he's listed at two forty, I don't really want him
35:52
Speaker 3: anywhere over to forty now with what he is and
35:56
Speaker 3: what he's good at. Like, I think maybe it's a
36:00
Speaker 3: muscle like a recomposition in terms of like just your
36:06
Speaker 3: your body composition in general, between body fat and muscle.
36:10
Speaker 3: But like I think in terms of mass, he really
36:13
Speaker 3: should be maxed out at two forty because all those
36:15
Speaker 3: good things about his fluidity and how he plays the
36:18
Speaker 3: game as a receiver, you you really do want to
36:21
Speaker 3: keep that over everything, because you can't ruin the fastball.
36:25
Speaker 1: No, absolutely anything else on his blocking before we move
36:28
Speaker 1: on to him as a pass cautcher. No, I'm good.
36:31
Speaker 3: Let's let's get to the good stuffy.
36:32
Speaker 1: That I'm gonna want to grab this common real quick
36:34
Speaker 1: from Roy and Roy says Kincaid's game similar to Mikeasiki.
36:38
Speaker 1: No way, Mikeasicki is. Mikeasicki is literally just like a
36:40
Speaker 1: big slot. He does not He's not a good blocker.
36:44
Speaker 1: He also is not a willing blocker like he he's
36:48
Speaker 1: not blocking like it's just not happening. I do remember
36:50
Speaker 1: the last time I've seen him line up. I can't
36:52
Speaker 1: even think of a blocking rep in my head. Like
36:55
Speaker 1: he is literally a wht. They let Tyler Boyd go
36:58
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati because they brought in Mike Kasiki like he
37:01
Speaker 1: was the new slot wide receiver. He was the new
37:04
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Three, it was gonna be Higgins and chasing
37:06
Speaker 1: Kasiki like and then they have like Trent Irwin and
37:08
Speaker 1: like how they would rotate those guys in. But yeah,
37:10
Speaker 1: he is uh no, I Kinkaid is much more willing
37:14
Speaker 1: and a much better blocker than Gasiki and honestly just
37:17
Speaker 1: not saying much because is not a good it's just
37:20
Speaker 1: black Kaziki is. I don't even know if Kaiki is
37:22
Speaker 1: like a one on a scale to ten as a blocker,
37:24
Speaker 1: he might be like a zero point.
37:26
Speaker 3: I don't do him like that. I mean, he's he
37:28
Speaker 3: is lanky and wirey, so it is tough for him.
37:30
Speaker 1: He also was one of the worst grittedy I'm always
37:32
Speaker 1: gonna think of him doing that gretty when he scored
37:33
Speaker 1: for Miami against the Bill playoffs. That gritty was terrible.
37:37
Speaker 1: I'm automatically subtracting a one point if he was a
37:40
Speaker 1: two as a blocker, I'm already putting him down to
37:42
Speaker 1: a one just because how bad that gritty was.
37:44
Speaker 3: In terms of blocking tight end comps. I feel like
37:48
Speaker 3: our hope is that he matures into a.
37:50
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce level blocker, because, like.
37:54
Speaker 3: There's so much similarity between him and Kelsey as as
37:57
Speaker 3: pass catchers and route runners. Yeah, like there's just so
38:00
Speaker 3: much innate feel for the position from both of them.
38:03
Speaker 3: And Kelsey isn't like the best blocker in the world,
38:05
Speaker 3: but he's super competitive, he's super willing, and he got
38:08
Speaker 3: better at it through the years.
38:10
Speaker 1: So I think I think.
38:12
Speaker 3: That's kind of our hope as a as a fan
38:14
Speaker 3: base that he can kind of mature into that level
38:17
Speaker 3: of blocker.
38:18
Speaker 1: Yes, I just don't. I just don't want him to
38:19
Speaker 1: be a deficiency I.
38:21
Speaker 3: Just I think again, I think he's on the scheme
38:23
Speaker 3: more than anything.
38:24
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think he's fine to slightly below fine right now. Again,
38:30
Speaker 1: like I think he's a four to a four and
38:32
Speaker 1: a half on a good day. I would love for
38:33
Speaker 1: him just to be average, Like, just give me more,
38:36
Speaker 1: give me more obstruction, if you could, just if he
38:38
Speaker 1: could just hold his blocks for another quarter second longer
38:41
Speaker 1: against everybody, and just give me some semblance of that
38:45
Speaker 1: a little bit more, I would be completely fine, because
38:49
Speaker 1: again he is a plus aspect as a pass catcher,
38:52
Speaker 1: which is the other element we'll talk about here. Ken Kendall,
38:56
Speaker 1: Ken Kendall, I don't know what's going on with me here,
38:58
Speaker 1: Kendall on Kincaid as a pass catcher and what he
39:02
Speaker 1: brings in that regard.
39:05
Speaker 3: I mean, this is everything, this is his whole game.
39:07
Speaker 3: He like so much of this also stems from just
39:11
Speaker 3: the body type and the mismatched threat that he is,
39:14
Speaker 3: Like you really don't know what to put on him.
39:16
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're going to have multiple film elements of
39:19
Speaker 3: him matching up against cos.
39:23
Speaker 1: That you wanted me to grab like that that you
39:25
Speaker 1: ty yeah, because they just they show the mismatch capability
39:28
Speaker 1: and potential so much.
39:29
Speaker 3: It's It's a big part of it, and I think
39:32
Speaker 3: that's a big part of why they took him. It
39:34
Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't for Oh, can he grow as a blocker,
39:38
Speaker 3: that's just gravy. If that works, that's gravy. But this,
39:41
Speaker 3: this is the crux of everything for him as a player.
39:43
Speaker 3: It's his mismatched threat. But then on top of who
39:47
Speaker 3: they match up against him, he's capable of winning that
39:52
Speaker 3: matchup regardless of what body type it is across from him.
39:55
Speaker 3: He has the athleticism and the fluidity to release from
39:59
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, as a physicality to break through
40:01
Speaker 3: any hand checking. He has really good route running. But then, honestly,
40:06
Speaker 3: the best thing about him is his instincts in his
40:10
Speaker 3: feel I guess I guess against zone specifically, it's it's
40:16
Speaker 3: just he has an innate feel.
40:18
Speaker 1: Ever since he he just knows where to.
40:20
Speaker 3: Sit, like and timing to It's it's not just like
40:24
Speaker 3: the space, but it's also the timing in which he
40:26
Speaker 3: gets there. I remember, Oh, it was probably like entering
40:30
Speaker 3: year three for Dawson Knox. He was talking about, Oh, yeah,
40:33
Speaker 3: you know, I'm learning the position and I'm learning like
40:35
Speaker 3: it's not just about running the route fast because it's
40:38
Speaker 3: about getting to your landmark on.
40:42
Speaker 1: It was after I think it was after like that
40:44
Speaker 1: might have been the first year for tight End University
40:46
Speaker 1: and I think.
40:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably he was probably talking about that, yeah, that,
40:50
Speaker 3: but it was something like that, and he was just
40:52
Speaker 3: saying like, if you run it too fast, you're out
40:54
Speaker 3: of the window by the time the quarterback gets to you.
40:57
Speaker 1: And the progression.
40:58
Speaker 3: Like there were so many times on tape this past
41:00
Speaker 3: year from Kincaid where he's running a dig from an
41:03
Speaker 3: inline position or you know, a tight slot position and
41:08
Speaker 3: he's really deliberate about his stem and how he's breaking
41:14
Speaker 3: it in terms of leverage insider outside, but he's doing
41:17
Speaker 3: it slow and deliberately because he doesn't want to break
41:21
Speaker 3: it off on the inbreak or too quickly, because if
41:23
Speaker 3: he gets in between those two second level defenders too quickly,
41:26
Speaker 3: he's not in the window for Josh Allen on time
41:29
Speaker 3: he's past that window and then you force Josh to
41:33
Speaker 3: hold on to it for half a second longer, and
41:37
Speaker 3: that could turn into a sack, it could turn into
41:38
Speaker 3: a fumble, god knows what. So God, honestly, that to me,
41:44
Speaker 3: that's the best part of his game. It's just the
41:46
Speaker 3: innate feel for route running and separation because he can
41:51
Speaker 3: do it on a mismatch level against man. I'm not
41:56
Speaker 3: gonna sit here and say that's his strength. I mean
42:01
Speaker 3: it's it's way above average for tight ends, like he
42:04
Speaker 3: can he can separate from man better than most tight ends. Yes,
42:07
Speaker 3: but I think the real plus plus matchup for him
42:11
Speaker 3: is what he does four quarterbacks against zone. He is
42:16
Speaker 3: so so friendly for Josh Allen in zone, finding those
42:20
Speaker 3: spots that work for him, and even on top of that,
42:22
Speaker 3: just to scramble drill stuff like he just gets it
42:25
Speaker 3: so quickly like he can see. I mean it helps
42:28
Speaker 3: when you you're a rookie when Josh Allen has already
42:31
Speaker 3: figured it out, so you like you're thrown into the
42:33
Speaker 3: fire and you know like this is a big part
42:35
Speaker 3: of the offense. So yeah, he got a lot of
42:38
Speaker 3: time on task with that early, which was good. But
42:41
Speaker 3: his feel for finding space and the timing in which
42:45
Speaker 3: that he runs his routes and all that stuff like that,
42:48
Speaker 3: that's truly what I love most about his game.
42:51
Speaker 1: I honestly don't have too much to add. Like he
42:54
Speaker 1: he came into the league as such a plus aspect
42:58
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher, and that's really just he hit
43:02
Speaker 1: the ground running no pun intended, and continued with it
43:04
Speaker 1: and you said it. You hit it on the head.
43:06
Speaker 1: Like you watch him work in the underneath and the intermediate.
43:10
Speaker 1: He understands like coverage drops for defenders, like he knows
43:15
Speaker 1: where to sit between linebackers. He knows where the voids are,
43:18
Speaker 1: where the gaps are, and how to pace himself from
43:21
Speaker 1: the release through the stem to the break and how
43:24
Speaker 1: to get right kind of when that red sea parts,
43:26
Speaker 1: whether he's running an in breaker or he's running it
43:28
Speaker 1: over the ball route, like how he's able to function there.
43:31
Speaker 1: It just works so consistently. And then he also understands
43:35
Speaker 1: leverage in man coverage, like you'll see him feel guys
43:39
Speaker 1: leaning on him, and he knows this is where that
43:40
Speaker 1: fluidity and that pliability comes in. He knows how to
43:43
Speaker 1: contort his body and have that body controlling athleticism to
43:47
Speaker 1: kind of deceive and lie to a defender because he
43:50
Speaker 1: can lean with his hips in his shoulders and then
43:52
Speaker 1: snap and bend back the other way and create separation.
43:55
Speaker 1: I have a clip like that against Detroit, which we're
43:57
Speaker 1: going to show his ability as a pass catch or
44:00
Speaker 1: he like you said, he functions so well in his zone.
44:02
Speaker 1: But I do think he works in man because how
44:06
Speaker 1: do you how do you cover him? Like if you
44:09
Speaker 1: it takes a very special kind of linebacker or safety
44:12
Speaker 1: to cover him one on one and most teams don't
44:15
Speaker 1: have that. It's if Isaiah Simmons worked out ooh good,
44:18
Speaker 1: call good, Like that's that's what would do it?
44:21
Speaker 3: Or like I guess Derwin James, you know what I mean,
44:23
Speaker 3: Like it takes that type and there's one two of
44:27
Speaker 3: those guys floating in the NFL game.
44:29
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, what are you gonna do? Like put your
44:30
Speaker 1: I guess you know what's crazy is I was like
44:32
Speaker 1: naming guys Baltimore might have, like two you could Putchil
44:35
Speaker 1: Hamilton or Malachi Starks on it, which is so crazy.
44:38
Speaker 3: But there's a world where I see Malachi Starks not
44:41
Speaker 3: being physical enough for kin Kid. And I know that's
44:43
Speaker 3: crazy to say because we talk about a lack of
44:45
Speaker 3: physicality from Kinkaid, but like that's that's the well roundedness
44:49
Speaker 3: he has. It's not as a complete tight end, it's
44:52
Speaker 3: as a complete pass catcher, Like he can really do
44:56
Speaker 3: anything you want him to do as a pass catcher,
44:58
Speaker 3: and that makes him such a threat against any matchup
45:01
Speaker 3: in man, he can throw a different pitch at whatever,
45:05
Speaker 3: you know, depending on who the batter is, he can
45:06
Speaker 3: throw any type of pitch. Yes, it's just it's really
45:10
Speaker 3: really valuable the middle ground that he plays as a
45:14
Speaker 3: skill set, specifically as a pass catcher.
45:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it you know, we talked about what he
45:20
Speaker 1: is in zone and in man. That's where that matchup
45:23
Speaker 1: piece comes in, Like, how do you do you have
45:26
Speaker 1: a special athlete at linebacker safety? Because and you go
45:31
Speaker 1: with that, because you need someone with a little bit
45:33
Speaker 1: more size because even though he isn't the most physical,
45:35
Speaker 1: intimidating presence, his size and frame is still gonna be
45:38
Speaker 1: a problem for corners. So you need a bigger body.
45:41
Speaker 1: But is that bigger body athletic enough to stay with
45:44
Speaker 1: him in coverage? And then if okay, no, so we're
45:46
Speaker 1: gonna put a corner on him, is your corner big
45:49
Speaker 1: enough or physical enough? I got it one of the
45:52
Speaker 1: multiple clips from that Tennessee game. We're gonna go and
45:54
Speaker 1: look at one. He's getting jammed against Jarvis Brown. Jarvis
45:59
Speaker 1: Brown only loves contact. He loves it loved it a Louisville.
46:05
Speaker 1: He was one of my favorite watches last year. As
46:07
Speaker 1: a corner, I think he's legitimately an as sending player
46:09
Speaker 1: and he's good at press man against a variety of
46:12
Speaker 1: body types. Just to put it into perspective for folks,
46:14
Speaker 1: I'll talk about it more when we show it. Browne
46:17
Speaker 1: beat the hell out of key On Coleman when he
46:19
Speaker 1: pressed him like Coleman couldn't get off brownly and Kinkaid
46:22
Speaker 1: shakes him k Kody. Yeah, he plays through him and
46:25
Speaker 1: snaps it off. So even physical corners who want to
46:28
Speaker 1: play press kink can get through that. So he's such
46:32
Speaker 1: a matchup problem in that regard. And I structured this
46:36
Speaker 1: conversation purposely to go open the block into the pass
46:38
Speaker 1: catcher and then the schematic use of piece because for me,
46:42
Speaker 1: I want I don't want the twelve personnel aspect to
46:44
Speaker 1: go away. I think that's such a key for this offense. Right.
46:48
Speaker 1: But while I don't want him to stop being hipped
46:52
Speaker 1: off and stop having condensed formations in that, I do
46:55
Speaker 1: want to see him just use more as a bigger
46:57
Speaker 1: wide receiver in solo alignments, like whether it's a three
47:01
Speaker 1: by one and he's the quasi ax like, give me
47:03
Speaker 1: more of those, give me soli, and he's kicked out
47:06
Speaker 1: outside because who's matching him out there in a one
47:09
Speaker 1: on one? Is it a corner, is it a safety?
47:11
Speaker 1: Is it a linebacker? He probably has the advantage as
47:14
Speaker 1: a pass catcher in one of those ways, shape or form,
47:18
Speaker 1: because he is so multiple and so versatile as a
47:21
Speaker 1: pass catcher. And I think I think that's the biggest
47:24
Speaker 1: thing that got forgotten about with his down year in
47:27
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. It's the injuries impacted him and that drop,
47:31
Speaker 1: which was very unfortunate, especially considering how good his hands
47:34
Speaker 1: are right and even had some drops about the rest
47:36
Speaker 1: of the year, like the Texans game. Is a little yes,
47:39
Speaker 1: inconsistent with his hands, which has not been a thing
47:41
Speaker 1: that he's really ever had in his career. But I
47:43
Speaker 1: think we a lot of folks forgot about how good
47:45
Speaker 1: of a receiver he is and how good of a
47:48
Speaker 1: pass catching threat he is as a tight end because
47:51
Speaker 1: of what he is from an athletic profile standpoint, how
47:54
Speaker 1: he sees the game, how he understands it, and he
47:56
Speaker 1: can separate in a multitude of ways vertical, the inner
47:59
Speaker 1: met it underneath it in a variety of routes against
48:03
Speaker 1: a variety of coverages, and then also factoring it in
48:07
Speaker 1: and you talk about having a stat for and it
48:08
Speaker 1: shows up on the tape. Alan missed him a good
48:13
Speaker 1: chunk of time in twenty twenty four. And again it's
48:16
Speaker 1: a bit tying into who's at fault. Is it is
48:19
Speaker 1: Kincaid's timing off? Did a defender reroute him? Is he
48:22
Speaker 1: getting to his right depth and his landmark? Like you
48:24
Speaker 1: mentioned with Dawson Knox having to learn, you know, is
48:26
Speaker 1: it on Alan? Was there pressure on the play, But
48:29
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Alan being a little off target to
48:33
Speaker 1: Kincaid happened more than it happened to really anyone else
48:37
Speaker 1: on the team. I have an example of it that
48:39
Speaker 1: will go to the tape in a little bit, but
48:40
Speaker 1: I know you have some data and some metrics on
48:42
Speaker 1: that to kind of put some things in a perspective too.
48:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll hit that quickly and then pivot onto something
48:46
Speaker 3: that I'm actually surprised both of us didn't even touch.
48:49
Speaker 1: But the catch rate.
48:52
Speaker 3: Just straight up catch rate, like how many times is
48:54
Speaker 3: he catching the ball that is targeting him? Fifty eight
48:57
Speaker 3: point seven percent in twenty twenty four. That's the with
49:00
Speaker 3: some thirty one tight ends with at least fifty targets, right,
49:04
Speaker 3: But then you contextualize that with catchable targets. He had
49:07
Speaker 3: a sixty five point eight catchable target rate, which is
49:11
Speaker 3: the lowest again among those thirty one tight ends with
49:14
Speaker 3: fifty plus targets. So when you contextualize both of those together,
49:18
Speaker 3: like he's already behind eight ball. Yes, Like it's impossible
49:21
Speaker 3: to get your catch rate up when you have the
49:24
Speaker 3: worst catchable target rate.
49:26
Speaker 1: Ye, it's hard to get your getting up into the
49:28
Speaker 1: ball isn't being put in a spot where you can
49:30
Speaker 1: catch it?
49:31
Speaker 3: And then that's even layered more with his unrealized air yards.
49:36
Speaker 3: He had four hundred and twenty five unrealized air yards
49:39
Speaker 3: and that was the most among tight ends.
49:41
Speaker 1: Tell tell the people what unrealized air yards is.
49:45
Speaker 3: So really, just say he's fifteen yards down the field.
49:48
Speaker 3: That's where he is from. Like the line of scrimmage,
49:50
Speaker 3: or I guess from Josh Allen's hand, is probably how
49:53
Speaker 3: this is measured.
49:54
Speaker 1: I hate that sites do it differently from the line
49:57
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Some do it from where the quarterback throws
49:59
Speaker 1: its Why I said about it like a month ago. Yeah,
50:01
Speaker 1: I was what it's worth.
50:03
Speaker 3: That's why I said both because it's different everywhere. But
50:07
Speaker 3: four hundred and twenty five yards aggregated through the season
50:11
Speaker 3: of air yards that you know, the ball traveled in
50:14
Speaker 3: the air targeting Kincaid, but he didn't come down with
50:16
Speaker 3: the catch. So you know, I'm sure a few of
50:19
Speaker 3: those were times that he couldn't catch it or pass
50:22
Speaker 3: was batted by a defender, but sixty five point eight
50:27
Speaker 3: of those were catchable.
50:28
Speaker 1: The rest weren't. So it's a lot. Sixty five, like
50:32
Speaker 1: you said, is not good and so that that's not
50:35
Speaker 1: high enough.
50:36
Speaker 3: And then and then here's here's the thing. So here's
50:39
Speaker 3: the pivot that all which is crazy that we didn't
50:41
Speaker 3: even talk about.
50:43
Speaker 1: The way he was used.
50:44
Speaker 3: For the better part of the season was just this
50:49
Speaker 3: flat screen, bubble screen.
50:51
Speaker 1: It's like a schematics talk about it. Yeah, go ahead, yeah,
50:54
Speaker 1: go ahead.
50:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't go too deep, but like to think
50:57
Speaker 3: about a guy that's used like that and he has
50:59
Speaker 3: the lowest catch rate among tight ends with fifty targets
51:04
Speaker 3: is crazy.
51:04
Speaker 1: Like like that's why like most of his targets were
51:07
Speaker 1: like around the last that's why Shakir's catch rate was
51:10
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent for the whole year because his
51:12
Speaker 1: average the target was like zero point one.
51:15
Speaker 3: They use them interchangeably in that like bubble screen flat screen.
51:19
Speaker 1: Game that RPO bubble all yeah, and don't get me wrong,
51:23
Speaker 1: like it works and Kink.
51:25
Speaker 3: This is something to talk about as kin Kid as
51:28
Speaker 3: a pass catcher is what he does after the catch,
51:30
Speaker 3: Like it's a very very valuable thing. When we talk
51:34
Speaker 3: about his lack of physical his lack of physicality as
51:37
Speaker 3: a blocker, it's.
51:38
Speaker 1: Not a thing.
51:38
Speaker 3: When he has the ball in his hand, like he
51:40
Speaker 3: runs through tackles. He's never falling backwards away.
51:45
Speaker 1: He's not trying to like dump that. It's funny.
51:49
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring this up when we were talking
51:50
Speaker 3: about matchups, Like the one guy he didn't run through
51:52
Speaker 3: was Kyle Duggar right like Kyle Dugger had his number
51:55
Speaker 3: and that I think it was the second Patriots game.
51:58
Speaker 1: That's where the Bills have their red jerseys. Kyle Dugger
52:02
Speaker 1: was every time Kink touched the ball, Dougger was on
52:05
Speaker 1: him like a spider monkey, like no matter where he
52:07
Speaker 1: caught it. There was two that stick in my mind.
52:09
Speaker 1: One is like Kinkaid's in the slot. Anyone's like a
52:13
Speaker 1: little sit route and Dougger comes from the top down
52:15
Speaker 1: and buries them and then he turns his head. He's
52:17
Speaker 1: done dead. And then they do uh bills are going
52:21
Speaker 1: from right to left and it's like that RPO bubble
52:23
Speaker 1: and doug all senses it and just.
52:27
Speaker 3: But here's here's the the mismatch side to it. If
52:30
Speaker 3: you're actually gonna line up Kyle Duggar, Yeah, he has
52:33
Speaker 3: the physicality to match up with Kinkaid, but if you
52:36
Speaker 3: line him up to play man against a actual like
52:38
Speaker 3: vertical route or intermediate route, I don't think he has
52:41
Speaker 3: the skills.
52:42
Speaker 1: What I was going to talk about, and I thought
52:44
Speaker 1: it was this year, but I think it was the
52:45
Speaker 1: previous year. I believe the second the second game against
52:48
Speaker 1: the Patriots two years ago, Kincaid's rookie year. That's when
52:51
Speaker 1: he had that huge deep ball completion against Dougger because
52:54
Speaker 1: they played cover one and it was Dugger on Kinkaid
52:57
Speaker 1: and Kinkaine just burned the hell out of him deep,
52:59
Speaker 1: which made you think, like that's stuck in Dougger's brain
53:02
Speaker 1: going into this year and he's like, yeah, he can't
53:05
Speaker 1: stay with.
53:06
Speaker 3: That's such a here's here's the interesting thing to that too.
53:09
Speaker 3: Another layer is he runs an over route in that
53:12
Speaker 3: same Patriots game and Marte Mapu comes and undercuts it,
53:18
Speaker 3: and he has the speed to get under you probably
53:21
Speaker 3: should have it. Honestly, probably wasn't the greatest placement. Once
53:25
Speaker 3: again on not having the best placement only to Kinkaid.
53:30
Speaker 3: But that's to say, like there he's such a unique
53:35
Speaker 3: mismatch because we just talked about like three four, five
53:39
Speaker 3: different defenders where yeah, if you can somehow compile them
53:43
Speaker 3: into one human, then yep, you got it. But like
53:46
Speaker 3: you need all of those varying skill sets, Like Mapu's
53:49
Speaker 3: a little bit faster than Dougger, so he can match
53:51
Speaker 3: up with him on an over route, but like, is
53:54
Speaker 3: he gonna blow him up on a simple stick route.
53:56
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like Kinkaid might work through that and
53:59
Speaker 3: get your.
54:00
Speaker 1: Against Kincaid if Kincaid's blocking him, Like is it advantage Kincaid?
54:03
Speaker 1: The fact that we're even asking that question is already
54:05
Speaker 1: kind of beneficial to Kincaid as it.
54:07
Speaker 3: Is, So it's it's just it's really crazy to even
54:10
Speaker 3: talk about the past catcher versatility stuff but I wanted
54:14
Speaker 3: to get this one stat in on the screens. So
54:18
Speaker 3: through two weeks of the season, because I watched all
54:20
Speaker 3: of his targets in order, and I was just like,
54:22
Speaker 3: what's going on, Yeah, you test some.
54:24
Speaker 1: Stuff, and I was like, Oh, he's keen into it.
54:26
Speaker 3: Through the first two weeks of the season, Kincaid was
54:29
Speaker 3: averaging negative point three air yards per target, which is
54:33
Speaker 3: the fewest among thirty tight ends with at least five targets.
54:36
Speaker 1: So like, the.
54:37
Speaker 3: Simple size is low, but I put the qualifier very
54:41
Speaker 3: low for this, and he was still fewest because he
54:43
Speaker 3: had negative air yards per target.
54:45
Speaker 1: He had six targets. For what it's worth.
54:47
Speaker 3: Then in those two weeks he had nine point four
54:52
Speaker 3: yards after the catch per reception, which was second most
54:55
Speaker 3: among tight ends with them.
54:56
Speaker 1: Because all that space on the little because he has
54:59
Speaker 1: all the space and world with those RPO bubble screens,
55:03
Speaker 1: flat screens, it works.
55:06
Speaker 3: But it got to a point where they were like,
55:08
Speaker 3: we got to mix something in, and honestly, they started
55:10
Speaker 3: in week three. They were like, we got to get
55:12
Speaker 3: him going vertical and intermediate on these inbreakers stuff like that,
55:15
Speaker 3: and it worked. Once you diversify the portfolio a little
55:18
Speaker 3: bit with him, like it really helps get defenders off
55:21
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and then opens the RPO bubbles up.
55:25
Speaker 3: Later in the season, he got to mix it up
55:27
Speaker 3: a little bit. But I did feel like they spammed
55:30
Speaker 3: it a little too much throughout the entire season, not
55:33
Speaker 3: just those first two weeks that was just when it
55:35
Speaker 3: was a clean stata. But I really want them to
55:39
Speaker 3: get him going vertically a little more and peppering and
55:43
Speaker 3: the the RPO bubbles here and there. It doesn't need
55:46
Speaker 3: to be the staple that it was. It feels like
55:48
Speaker 3: it was over fifty percent of his receptions.
55:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, they spamed the hell out of it. And I
55:53
Speaker 1: think that's a really good segue to the schematic usage
55:55
Speaker 1: part and just so much you You and I talked
55:58
Speaker 1: about it a bit offline here, Like one of my
56:00
Speaker 1: big takeaways in watching all the Kincaid tape and then
56:03
Speaker 1: the tape of all these other tight ends was not
56:07
Speaker 1: only just how much other tight ends get plays designed
56:12
Speaker 1: for them again for different reasons, right, Different offenses have
56:15
Speaker 1: different quality of players, different coordinators, differ philosophies, like, so
56:18
Speaker 1: there's reasons for all of it, but it's a fact
56:20
Speaker 1: to say, like the tight ends were going to be
56:22
Speaker 1: showing like the offenses kind of funnel through them to
56:24
Speaker 1: a degree, whereas Kincaid is just one piece and everybody
56:29
Speaker 1: eats philosophy and mentality. I do have a stat for that,
56:32
Speaker 1: but keep going, keep going. So much of that uses,
56:35
Speaker 1: like you said, was just and we saw it throughout
56:37
Speaker 1: a lot of the year, and it makes sense. I
56:38
Speaker 1: get Brady did such a good job for Allen of
56:41
Speaker 1: just making football like basic math, like hey, we got
56:45
Speaker 1: to run play with a pass tag or whether it's
56:47
Speaker 1: a traditional RPO, whatever it is, and so much of
56:49
Speaker 1: it was just a lot and a lot of the
56:51
Speaker 1: ones going to Kincaid and even some of the Shakir
56:54
Speaker 1: were the runs with the pass tag where it's like, hey,
56:56
Speaker 1: we got three receivers over here to the right. If
56:58
Speaker 1: I see there's only two defense there, or even if
57:01
Speaker 1: it's three, have we got numbers and you're good after
57:03
Speaker 1: the catch? Or if it's three out there and the
57:05
Speaker 1: one guy is a little too far inside, I think
57:08
Speaker 1: we got leverage. Screw it, I'm throwing the pass tag.
57:10
Speaker 3: You're falling forward for five, yes, and that's it.
57:12
Speaker 1: And we saw so much of that, which is why,
57:14
Speaker 1: like Allen would spit it out fast, just Shakir or
57:18
Speaker 1: Kincaid and they would get like five yards. The extension
57:21
Speaker 1: of the run game, it's exactly right like it used
57:23
Speaker 1: to be. The screen game was the extension of the
57:25
Speaker 1: run game. Now the extension of the run game is
57:27
Speaker 1: passes coming out of RPOs or these runs that have
57:30
Speaker 1: pass tags attached to it. For those who don't know
57:32
Speaker 1: what that means, run with a pass tag is essentially
57:34
Speaker 1: just it's different from an RPO, and RPO is more
57:37
Speaker 1: you've got the run action. You're reading something specific and
57:41
Speaker 1: then you're either throwing the ball or handing it off
57:43
Speaker 1: the running back based on that specific thing. Usually you're
57:46
Speaker 1: reading an edge defender or an apex defender. Sometimes it's
57:49
Speaker 1: the safety and you're going from there. A run with
57:50
Speaker 1: a pass tag is more of a pre snap numbers
57:53
Speaker 1: type of deal. If we've got a numbers advantage in
57:56
Speaker 1: the box, I'm gonna stick with the run. If we've
57:58
Speaker 1: got a numbers advantage outside because they're crowding the box
58:01
Speaker 1: with numbers, I'm essentially keeping the ball and I'm spitting
58:05
Speaker 1: it out right away. Think of, uh, you know the
58:08
Speaker 1: key on Coleman long catch against the Titans where he
58:12
Speaker 1: can one that yeah, that one step slant that's a
58:15
Speaker 1: run with a pass tag where that the Titans literally
58:17
Speaker 1: had like ten guys in the box. Alan sees that
58:20
Speaker 1: it's one on one and he's like, okay, I'm just
58:22
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw the ball and the rest of
58:23
Speaker 1: the offense plays it out like they think it's a
58:25
Speaker 1: run and Alan just spits it out to key On Coleman.
58:28
Speaker 1: But that's how he was getting the ball. A ton
58:31
Speaker 1: and a lot of that usage, I thought, and this
58:34
Speaker 1: is tied into the thoughts that I had for last
58:36
Speaker 1: year as well. For as much as the Bills offense hummed,
58:39
Speaker 1: I thought their instructure passing game wasn't up the snuff
58:43
Speaker 1: for a large part of the year. A lot of
58:45
Speaker 1: their best passes, especially early on, but through the majority
58:49
Speaker 1: of the year really was Alan going into scramble mode
58:52
Speaker 1: and making something happen. A lot of what this offense
58:54
Speaker 1: was was a killer ground game and a diversified run game,
58:58
Speaker 1: Josh Allen being in a icorn on the ground and
59:01
Speaker 1: then Josh Allen being an alien unicorn through scrambles. Like the
59:04
Speaker 1: instructure in rhythm passing attack had a lot of hiccups,
59:10
Speaker 1: like guys weren't getting open. Part of it was because
59:12
Speaker 1: they didn't have a true X. They bring in Amari Cooper,
59:14
Speaker 1: things open a little bit, but it doesn't open up enough.
59:17
Speaker 1: Kinkaid gets hurt. And I think part of it was
59:20
Speaker 1: the play design and schematics that Brady had, And I
59:25
Speaker 1: tie that into what I want to see more from
59:27
Speaker 1: with Kincaid. I don't want the twelve personnel stuff to
59:30
Speaker 1: go away. I don't want him to not be hipped
59:32
Speaker 1: off anymore and all that stuff like I mentioned, but
59:34
Speaker 1: I want more quasi X stuff, like give me a
59:37
Speaker 1: three by one and he's the one on the backside,
59:40
Speaker 1: Like I want him used more as a receiver in
59:43
Speaker 1: a multitude of ways, because I think teams are gonna
59:45
Speaker 1: have a problem covering him there on the outside, especially
59:48
Speaker 1: with how diversified they are with the receiving room now,
59:52
Speaker 1: and even losing Mac Collins I think is a significant
59:56
Speaker 1: blow because of how good of a blocker he was.
59:58
Speaker 1: He essentially was like another tight end when he was
1:00:00
Speaker 1: out there on the field. How good of a blocker
1:00:02
Speaker 1: he is. But I need more quasi X stuff from
1:00:05
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid give me And with the addition of Spencer
1:00:10
Speaker 1: Jackson Hawes, give me thirteen personnel right with a six
1:00:16
Speaker 1: offensive lineman on the field and the condensed part the
1:00:20
Speaker 1: bodies all by the line of scrimmage. Knox can be
1:00:22
Speaker 1: your why or Hawes can be your why. I don't care.
1:00:25
Speaker 1: The other one is hipped off of him and Alec
1:00:27
Speaker 1: Anderson is hipped off of them, or let's flip it further.
1:00:31
Speaker 1: Alec Anderson is your why and Kincaid and Hawes are
1:00:33
Speaker 1: flipped up hipped off of Anderson. And then what do
1:00:37
Speaker 1: you have is the solo receiver out there? It's Dalton
1:00:39
Speaker 1: Kinkaid and what are you doing? Are you playing in
1:00:42
Speaker 1: with a corner? Cool? Is it one on one? Probably
1:00:45
Speaker 1: because you respect the heavy personnel package that the Bills
1:00:48
Speaker 1: have and how good their run game is. Now you've
1:00:50
Speaker 1: got one on ones on the outside. Or you can
1:00:52
Speaker 1: just stick with the ground game that works. Out of
1:00:54
Speaker 1: those looks, you have the opportunity to run duo. You
1:00:58
Speaker 1: can do the blast motion counterpower stuff, you can do
1:01:02
Speaker 1: week side mid zone and throw motion attached to it,
1:01:04
Speaker 1: or just stay as is. There's so much that can
1:01:07
Speaker 1: work with that. I don't want the twelve and him
1:01:10
Speaker 1: being within the formation to go away, But I really
1:01:13
Speaker 1: do want to just see more of him as a
1:01:14
Speaker 1: quasi X because I think that's where you unlock the
1:01:17
Speaker 1: mismatch potential.
1:01:18
Speaker 3: I completely agree with all of that, and honestly, it's
1:01:21
Speaker 3: back to the broad point that I talked about early
1:01:24
Speaker 3: in the episode, Like I think they showed their hand
1:01:27
Speaker 3: early with drafting Hawes. I really think it told us
1:01:33
Speaker 3: everything we needed to know about what they think of
1:01:35
Speaker 3: Dalton Kinkaid and how they can maximize him in the offense.
1:01:39
Speaker 3: I think they know what he is where he lacks
1:01:43
Speaker 3: some ability, but where they can get the most out
1:01:46
Speaker 3: of him, and that's as a receiver. If you want
1:01:49
Speaker 3: to get the most out of that draft pick, you
1:01:51
Speaker 3: need to free him up. And I think getting Jackson
1:01:54
Speaker 3: Hawes it only opens up the menu more for Dalton
1:01:59
Speaker 3: Kinkaid and honestly more for Joe Brady in the offense. Holistically,
1:02:03
Speaker 3: it allows them to do so many different unique things
1:02:07
Speaker 3: with personnel groupings and dictating to the defense. You just
1:02:11
Speaker 3: went through one example there, like there's so manyone that
1:02:15
Speaker 3: there's so many different permit.
1:02:17
Speaker 1: And it really does how to happen, and I do
1:02:19
Speaker 1: think it happens more outside, Like you can do stuff
1:02:21
Speaker 1: with him in the slot, Like I like the idea
1:02:23
Speaker 1: of having him be the number three to the trip
1:02:26
Speaker 1: side because then you're probably getting him lined up on
1:02:28
Speaker 1: a linebacker on the but I think that's guy and
1:02:33
Speaker 1: I like a little more on the slot.
1:02:35
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying in get him into the
1:02:38
Speaker 3: the pseudo X thing, because when you get when you
1:02:40
Speaker 3: get Kincaid into the slot, truthfully, all it's gonna do
1:02:43
Speaker 3: is get him into a stick route, and I want
1:02:46
Speaker 3: him to do a little bit more than that. He
1:02:47
Speaker 3: can run the route so much more, like he has
1:02:51
Speaker 3: a great feel for the middle of the field overballs,
1:02:54
Speaker 3: stick routes, Like he's a really reliable option in that way,
1:02:57
Speaker 3: and it'll probably get more yards after the catch than
1:02:59
Speaker 3: others doing it. But I still think you can maximize
1:03:03
Speaker 3: him more than just hey, run this quick stick, run
1:03:06
Speaker 3: this overball, like we Saustin Knox can do that, Like
1:03:10
Speaker 3: we don't need to use Kinkaid to do that. So
1:03:13
Speaker 3: I understand why you're saying, like I'd prefer him doing
1:03:16
Speaker 3: this then get him as the number three in the.
1:03:18
Speaker 1: Slot, which crazy.
1:03:21
Speaker 3: I just think, No, it's just maximizing it's just maximizing,
1:03:25
Speaker 3: that's all it is. It's not to say that we
1:03:26
Speaker 3: don't want it, it's just we want to see other
1:03:29
Speaker 3: things worked in. We want to see this turn the
1:03:32
Speaker 3: dial up on this a little bit more.
1:03:35
Speaker 1: I wanted him more than just like the RPO guy
1:03:37
Speaker 1: or more than just like a like the blocker, Like
1:03:40
Speaker 1: give me. We're not maximizing the skills. Sow treat him
1:03:43
Speaker 1: like an AX, especially with you don't really have a
1:03:46
Speaker 1: true AX, like you're hoping k Coman could grow into it.
1:03:48
Speaker 1: You've got Palmer who can do the spurts and flashes
1:03:52
Speaker 1: of it, just leaning and Kinkaid doing that like and
1:03:55
Speaker 1: then see what you got going from there, and then
1:03:57
Speaker 1: you can still and then you can get creative with
1:03:59
Speaker 1: motion in personnel packages and exploded formations and reset in
1:04:03
Speaker 1: the formation after like in shifts. There's there's a lot
1:04:05
Speaker 1: of things you can do to monkey with the defense
1:04:07
Speaker 1: and play Jedi mind trix.
1:04:09
Speaker 3: I mean, you're absolutely right in terms of the lack
1:04:12
Speaker 3: of a true X on this team, Like the right
1:04:15
Speaker 3: move is to do it by committee, Yes, between Palmer,
1:04:19
Speaker 3: between Cole and the aggregate King Kane exactly. No, seriously,
1:04:23
Speaker 3: moneyball it there's no reason not to. There's a bunch
1:04:27
Speaker 3: of people who aren't necessarily clean prototypes for the X role,
1:04:33
Speaker 3: but a bunch of guys that have parts of it.
1:04:36
Speaker 3: So yeah, do it in the aggregate. I don't think
1:04:37
Speaker 3: that's a problem. And that's kind of how this offense
1:04:40
Speaker 3: runs anyways. It's just do everything in the aggregate. Like
1:04:43
Speaker 3: we just talked about the RPO game being an extension
1:04:46
Speaker 3: of the run game, like it's doing it in the aggregate.
1:04:49
Speaker 3: The Bills couldn't figure out the run game for years,
1:04:51
Speaker 3: and like that's helping it. So that's true, right, Like
1:04:54
Speaker 3: why are we complaining? I do want to get back
1:04:57
Speaker 3: to you made a comment on how how kincaid isn't
1:05:01
Speaker 3: like the focal point of the offense the same way
1:05:04
Speaker 3: Trey McBride or Brock Bauers are right, And I have
1:05:08
Speaker 3: this one stat percent of targets per route.
1:05:11
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was just say because I've got volume
1:05:13
Speaker 1: stats which are just crazy.
1:05:15
Speaker 3: Continue, Yeah, I mean the volume stats are not start
1:05:17
Speaker 3: same for those guys. It's insane. Yeah, So specifically, this
1:05:21
Speaker 3: is why it's funny because mcbriden Browers are going to
1:05:24
Speaker 3: be brought up in this but Kincaid was targeted on
1:05:26
Speaker 3: twenty nine percent of his routes run in twenty twenty four. Okay,
1:05:30
Speaker 3: that's the second highest among tight ends thirty six tight
1:05:34
Speaker 3: ends with two hundred and fifty plus routes. Okay, So
1:05:37
Speaker 3: Kinkaid only had two hundred and fifty nine routes. So
1:05:40
Speaker 3: I set the qualifier right up against his. McBride and
1:05:43
Speaker 3: Bowers were like, well into the five hundreds, right, he's crazy. Yeah,
1:05:48
Speaker 3: they ran a lot of routes. But here's here's the thing.
1:05:51
Speaker 3: This is why it's an interesting comment where you're saying
1:05:53
Speaker 3: the offense isn't focused on Kinkaid the way it is
1:05:56
Speaker 3: for these two. So Kinkaid was second among these thirty
1:06:00
Speaker 3: six tight ends, First was McBride, third was Bowers.
1:06:03
Speaker 1: Fair, but my thing is more of the way they're targeted,
1:06:08
Speaker 1: like designed for them versus completely agree.
1:06:11
Speaker 3: But there's still the component of when Kinkaid is running
1:06:15
Speaker 3: a route, he is the focal point of the offense.
1:06:20
Speaker 3: Is for these other tight.
1:06:21
Speaker 1: Ends, Yes, but I think I think that speaks to
1:06:25
Speaker 1: Kincaid's individual ability more than it does the scheme opening
1:06:29
Speaker 1: him up like this speak like they are running purposeful
1:06:32
Speaker 1: things where yea designer is for them designers not even
1:06:37
Speaker 1: just RPO designers, No, like what and low red zone
1:06:41
Speaker 1: intermediate part of the field like in your own end,
1:06:43
Speaker 1: Like they are running designers for these guys Kinkaid. Again,
1:06:47
Speaker 1: the RPO stuff is probably gonna function into it like
1:06:50
Speaker 1: a high amount in terms of that status targets percentage. Yes, yell,
1:06:54
Speaker 1: but that that's like the biggest designer thing that isn't
1:06:57
Speaker 1: even really a designer thing for Kincaid. It's just the
1:07:00
Speaker 1: numbers thing like that could be anybody that they're spitting
1:07:02
Speaker 1: it out to. Granted not necessarily anybody, but you get
1:07:04
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's a crazy good stat because I
1:07:07
Speaker 1: think that speaks more towards Kincaid's ability and alan what
1:07:11
Speaker 1: Allan thinks of Kincaid than it does the offense designing
1:07:15
Speaker 1: things for Kincaid as opposed to those other guys.
1:07:18
Speaker 3: That's we're completely we're completely a lockstep because I'm not
1:07:21
Speaker 3: I'm not spitting that.
1:07:22
Speaker 1: Out there being like oh oh, I love it, just puts.
1:07:27
Speaker 3: Respective relative to the amount of routes that he runs,
1:07:31
Speaker 3: he is being targeted at a rate that is equal
1:07:34
Speaker 3: to these guys that were heralding as best at the
1:07:36
Speaker 3: position as pass catchers, which.
1:07:38
Speaker 1: Is also crazy too that he doesn't have the same
1:07:40
Speaker 1: sembilance of production at a rate basis, like obviously the
1:07:43
Speaker 1: volume is going to be is not the same because
1:07:44
Speaker 1: their volume is crazy high compared it is. But yeah, no,
1:07:47
Speaker 1: that's a great stat pole because and again it I
1:07:50
Speaker 1: think it fits in so well with this conversation because
1:07:53
Speaker 1: you see that and you're like, oh, so like they
1:07:56
Speaker 1: they are designing things for him, and it's like, no,
1:07:58
Speaker 1: this just means he's winning or an and or Allen
1:08:01
Speaker 1: is looking to him versus these other guys. Again, we're
1:08:04
Speaker 1: gonna show some of it, even just like with what
1:08:07
Speaker 1: Arizona does with like all their tight end delay stuff,
1:08:10
Speaker 1: Like so much of it is just like where's where's trainmckbride,
1:08:12
Speaker 1: Where's trainmckbride, and then the Raiders doing where's Bowers? And
1:08:15
Speaker 1: what Ben Johnson did for Sambleporta all the time. Yeah,
1:08:18
Speaker 1: it's just crazy, like what but especially Bowers and McBride,
1:08:21
Speaker 1: who are volume monsters, and the focal point of the
1:08:24
Speaker 1: offense is.
1:08:24
Speaker 3: Who I kind of want to I'm trying right now
1:08:29
Speaker 3: to filter out all the behind the line of scrimmage
1:08:31
Speaker 3: targets to see how watch to drop the.
1:08:35
Speaker 1: Crazy.
1:08:35
Speaker 3: No, it wouldn't go that low, but I can't imagine
1:08:38
Speaker 3: that it would go much lower than no any.
1:08:40
Speaker 1: But again it's it's an interesting point, like not even
1:08:42
Speaker 1: interesting point. That's a valuable statpole to kind of put
1:08:44
Speaker 1: that into perspective for kind of how he's using that focus.
1:08:48
Speaker 1: I like that anything else on schematic usager, you want
1:08:50
Speaker 1: to dive into the tape?
1:08:52
Speaker 3: Uh, I think let's dive into the tape, because honestly,
1:08:54
Speaker 3: I think schematic usage will probably come up even more
1:08:58
Speaker 3: as we get examples.
1:09:00
Speaker 1: Copy that. All right, So to dive into the tape,
1:09:07
Speaker 1: I was probably sharing my screen. That'd probably be a
1:09:08
Speaker 1: great idea, right, all right, I'm gonna take off the
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Speaker 1: banner down there so we could see everything. Okay, cool.
1:09:14
Speaker 1: So I've got a bunch of different plays clip Kendall.
1:09:16
Speaker 1: I grabbed all three of those ones from the Titans
1:09:19
Speaker 1: game because I thought they really spoke to several aspects
1:09:22
Speaker 1: of the game that I wanted to speak to that
1:09:24
Speaker 1: I knew we were gonna speak to. This is the
1:09:26
Speaker 1: first one. This is third, This isn't the first in
1:09:28
Speaker 1: sequential order, but the first play. Obviously we're gonna look
1:09:31
Speaker 1: at here. This one is on a third and twelve
1:09:34
Speaker 1: bills are down ten to seven. Here's Kinkaid down at
1:09:37
Speaker 1: the bottom of the screen. And I think this again
1:09:41
Speaker 1: some of the things we were talking about, right, like
1:09:42
Speaker 1: what do you have up here? Like you got a
1:09:44
Speaker 1: three here's the one Kinkaid is in that reduced split
1:09:48
Speaker 1: or a squeeze split, nasty split, however you want to
1:09:50
Speaker 1: look at it. But basically that quasi x I love
1:09:53
Speaker 1: when they do that. And then they've also got the
1:09:55
Speaker 1: running back kind of in an exploded alignment here, so
1:09:58
Speaker 1: it's almost like another it's almost like a full like
1:10:02
Speaker 1: a three by two instead, it's pretty much it is
1:10:06
Speaker 1: and that effects you because we essentially get a smash
1:10:08
Speaker 1: concept with Johnson in the flat Kinkaid corner. And just
1:10:13
Speaker 1: to kind of put the athleticism in perspective, I wanted
1:10:15
Speaker 1: to lean it here. Just watch Kinkaid go up and
1:10:18
Speaker 1: just get this thing. He always has his hands reversed,
1:10:21
Speaker 1: like he does the opposite of what you're taught like.
1:10:23
Speaker 1: He's not a diamond catcher. He's a like reverse basket
1:10:26
Speaker 1: catcher kind of guy. But just watch him go up climb,
1:10:29
Speaker 1: the ladder tracks it the whole way, the fluidity brings
1:10:34
Speaker 1: it in, survives contact, survives through the ground. Third and twelve, bang, Like,
1:10:39
Speaker 1: I just I think we forget about some of that
1:10:43
Speaker 1: athleticism that he brings in these types of moments on
1:10:49
Speaker 1: a play like this and a good ball from Allen
1:10:51
Speaker 1: to to put it away from the safety with the
1:10:54
Speaker 1: cloud coverage underneath.
1:10:55
Speaker 3: This is one of those sneaky things where I see
1:10:59
Speaker 3: him just getting space and being quarterback friendly because you
1:11:02
Speaker 3: see how much space the safety is giving him. He's
1:11:05
Speaker 3: hard backpedal during the stem of kin Kaid's route, so
1:11:08
Speaker 3: much space to work. Yeah, like what is that seven
1:11:12
Speaker 3: yards of space between him and the safety? Like if
1:11:14
Speaker 3: you go back through the stem of his route, you
1:11:16
Speaker 3: can see how hard the back pedal is from that safety.
1:11:19
Speaker 3: Kin kid knows what he's running and if the space
1:11:21
Speaker 3: is there. He's not trying to be deceptive here, like
1:11:24
Speaker 3: there's this is lastly about this route.
1:11:26
Speaker 1: And real quick again this third and twelve, Like the
1:11:29
Speaker 1: first down, Yeah, I'm horrible doing a straight line, but
1:11:31
Speaker 1: the first down marker is here, so the safety is
1:11:35
Speaker 1: significantly bailing me.
1:11:37
Speaker 3: He takes the space that exactly you just made my point.
1:11:41
Speaker 3: So it's like he no, no, no, it was perfect because
1:11:44
Speaker 3: he's backpedaling hard. He knows where the sticks are, he
1:11:47
Speaker 3: knows the route he has to run. The safety is
1:11:49
Speaker 3: giving him space. There's nothing flashy about this route. There's
1:11:52
Speaker 3: nothing deceptive about it. There's no pacing here, not a
1:11:54
Speaker 3: lot of such a crazy break. He just takes the space.
1:11:58
Speaker 3: He gets there for Alan quick. It's quarterback friendly. You
1:12:01
Speaker 3: can see Allen gets hit as he gets rid of
1:12:03
Speaker 3: the ball. I mean it's his own alignment. But the
1:12:05
Speaker 3: point is this is a quarterback friendly route. It's nothing
1:12:09
Speaker 3: flashy about it. What's flashy is the catch point. The
1:12:11
Speaker 3: catch point is flashy, but how he gets open it's
1:12:15
Speaker 3: what the defense gave him, and he just.
1:12:17
Speaker 1: Got to the spot quickly for his guy. Exactly. Last
1:12:20
Speaker 1: little thing. I just like the tine and the schematic
1:12:23
Speaker 1: thing we talked about. Because you've got Ty Johnson in
1:12:25
Speaker 1: this exploded alignment watch. It allows him to get into
1:12:29
Speaker 1: his route faster, which causes the corner here to sit
1:12:34
Speaker 1: on that route. It looks like we've got you know,
1:12:37
Speaker 1: like a cover two to that side. Based on how
1:12:40
Speaker 1: everything flows up top, I feel like this might end
1:12:44
Speaker 1: up being Cover six because the corner stays with THET
1:12:46
Speaker 1: with ke On underneath. But I don't know, plays out
1:12:48
Speaker 1: weird at the top. I hate when coverages aren't clean.
1:12:51
Speaker 1: It drives me absolutely say, but either way, it looks
1:12:53
Speaker 1: like at the very least, they're playing cloud and you know,
1:12:56
Speaker 1: a Cover two structure to the bottom of the field,
1:12:58
Speaker 1: and Brownlee just sits there. He's got an Honor Ti
1:13:00
Speaker 1: Johnson coming out of the backfield, which enhances all that
1:13:05
Speaker 1: space to work. So I like that little design from Brady,
1:13:08
Speaker 1: which is something they started doing in training camp, and
1:13:11
Speaker 1: then carry it all the way through. Another one from
1:13:13
Speaker 1: this game. We talked about this play earlier. This is
1:13:16
Speaker 1: Jarvis brown Lee, junior rookie out of Louisville. Very good
1:13:20
Speaker 1: rookie season, underrated rookie season, didn't get talked about a
1:13:24
Speaker 1: lot because Tennessee had an absolutely terrible season. Really good
1:13:28
Speaker 1: impress really good. Impressed. Man, We'll go in slow mo
1:13:32
Speaker 1: watch him just get physical with Kincaid in the stem,
1:13:37
Speaker 1: like almost kind of stuns him a little bit, gets
1:13:40
Speaker 1: him upright, and you're like, okay, now what's gonna happen?
1:13:43
Speaker 1: And Kinkaid just embraces the contact chops him off, separates,
1:13:46
Speaker 1: and then this ball gets put a little above his
1:13:49
Speaker 1: eye line, just plucks it and then gets forward. Just
1:13:54
Speaker 1: this is what again another this is a two y
1:13:57
Speaker 1: two two receivers here, two receivers here. He's not on
1:14:01
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. They've got the slot on the
1:14:03
Speaker 1: line here. But this is just another example getting him
1:14:06
Speaker 1: out wide. The Titans chose to match him with a corner.
1:14:09
Speaker 1: You've got the size advantage, you've got the frame advantage,
1:14:12
Speaker 1: or played in real time, watch him just get hit
1:14:14
Speaker 1: with that contact, play through ben, snap off and go again.
1:14:17
Speaker 1: Another advantage of putting him outside and how does a
1:14:20
Speaker 1: team try to match up with him in that regard?
1:14:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I mean, I know we talked about
1:14:24
Speaker 3: it earlier without the film, but yeah, this is the point. Like,
1:14:27
Speaker 3: this is the mismatched threat that he is, the versatility
1:14:30
Speaker 3: that he poses to defense, and how it makes it
1:14:33
Speaker 3: really difficult for them to figure out what to do
1:14:35
Speaker 3: when you split him out wide, especially as white as
1:14:38
Speaker 3: they did here, right, Like, you don't hide him in
1:14:40
Speaker 3: the slot. You put him out wide, and you force
1:14:43
Speaker 3: these corners to be physical enough to deal with him.
1:14:46
Speaker 1: This quick little dig it's perfect for that.
1:14:48
Speaker 3: It plays through the contact and then yeah, at the
1:14:50
Speaker 3: catch point once again he shows his hands.
1:14:53
Speaker 1: This is a lot of separation, like, and it might
1:14:55
Speaker 1: not seem like, yeah, through physicality.
1:14:58
Speaker 3: That's physical separation and that's not you know, the route
1:15:01
Speaker 3: running route savvy stuff. That's just being gretty, being physical
1:15:06
Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage and working through contact. And
1:15:08
Speaker 3: he's able to do that because of who he's matched
1:15:10
Speaker 3: up against and how they kind of played chess schematically
1:15:14
Speaker 3: on this play.
1:15:15
Speaker 1: Yep, just really nice piece. Again, put him outside, what
1:15:17
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Are you match with a corner? Okay,
1:15:19
Speaker 1: and that's a physical corner who welcomes contact like Jarvis Brownlee,
1:15:23
Speaker 1: Like that is not an easy thing to do. Again,
1:15:26
Speaker 1: in that same game, Kean Coleman got jacked up a
1:15:30
Speaker 1: bunch by Brownlee in press and a contact in his
1:15:33
Speaker 1: stem like at the release in his stem like he
1:15:35
Speaker 1: had some issues and kinkaid again kick Kid's a little
1:15:37
Speaker 1: bit bigger than Coleman in terms of weight and the
1:15:40
Speaker 1: frame aspect, so he plays that big body receiver piece.
1:15:43
Speaker 1: But then he's also got some athleticisms from fluidity to
1:15:46
Speaker 1: separate after he uses some of that size and frame.
1:15:50
Speaker 1: This one's nice man coverage here against the Detroit Lions.
1:15:55
Speaker 1: If you know two things about the Detroit Lions defense
1:15:57
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, it was that they were significantly
1:16:00
Speaker 1: injured all the time and play a ton of man coverage,
1:16:03
Speaker 1: in particular Cover one. That's what you're gonna get here.
1:16:05
Speaker 1: Kill Kincaid's on the outside two by two again, almost
1:16:09
Speaker 1: kind of like a three by two because we have
1:16:10
Speaker 1: exploded alignment here from the running back. This is rookie
1:16:14
Speaker 1: cornerback Terry and Arnold, and we're just gonna get Dalton
1:16:17
Speaker 1: Kincaid going in a little motion here, Arnold communicates and watch, Nope,
1:16:26
Speaker 1: it's gonna play through the contact, body lean, feel the leverage.
1:16:29
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play this in real time so we
1:16:30
Speaker 1: can get a better sense of it. Separate through and
1:16:36
Speaker 1: separate and nice catch. And then this is my favorite
1:16:40
Speaker 1: part point this guy in the first down, the little
1:16:43
Speaker 1: swag on top of it so beautiful. And this is
1:16:46
Speaker 1: the end zone angle of it. I paused it right here,
1:16:48
Speaker 1: so Arnold try and right to get hands on Kincaid.
1:16:52
Speaker 1: You saw I'm gonna go and two guys on him. Yes,
1:16:55
Speaker 1: I'll gonna say even right here, trying to get a
1:16:58
Speaker 1: little piece. He gets sucked in a bit, but Kinkaid
1:17:01
Speaker 1: is already in the action with that left arm. Yep,
1:17:04
Speaker 1: he's already chopping through. You can see the flash of white.
1:17:07
Speaker 1: That's the glove on Kincaid's left hand. He chops through
1:17:10
Speaker 1: the arms. Campbell's trying to get hands on him too,
1:17:13
Speaker 1: but again the leverage and the combination of his size
1:17:16
Speaker 1: and speed allows him to play through that. And then
1:17:20
Speaker 1: watch him get through. He's about to stack Arnold, where's
1:17:23
Speaker 1: my head at? I'm selling vertical body language. And then
1:17:26
Speaker 1: again we don't get like eyes inside and some snap.
1:17:30
Speaker 1: We don't get anything like that. He just feels the
1:17:33
Speaker 1: lean and you can see it a little bit too.
1:17:34
Speaker 1: Arnold is kind of trying over his feet exactly, and
1:17:37
Speaker 1: so Kinkaid. All he knows he has to do is
1:17:39
Speaker 1: I can just turn this way, and he's gonna go
1:17:41
Speaker 1: this way for a little bit before having to get
1:17:43
Speaker 1: into me. He breaks that phase and then because he
1:17:47
Speaker 1: has got that athleticism, watch him separate on it again.
1:17:51
Speaker 1: Good separation down the field, great ball from Allen right
1:17:55
Speaker 1: on the money, and a nice hands catch place through
1:17:58
Speaker 1: contact place with the ground. But again, what are we
1:18:01
Speaker 1: getting from Dalton Kincaid? I gotta love the swag at
1:18:03
Speaker 1: the end of that. What are we getting from daln
1:18:05
Speaker 1: Konkaid outside on a corner? Use him in that skill set,
1:18:10
Speaker 1: use him in that role schematically, because he's got the
1:18:13
Speaker 1: size and frame and traits that present mismatched problems.
1:18:16
Speaker 3: I do like the subtlety to get him in short
1:18:19
Speaker 3: motion here, just to kind of, you know, so he's
1:18:22
Speaker 3: already moving, just so he's not static and he can
1:18:24
Speaker 3: get a little bit of an athletic head start right
1:18:27
Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to go full release package.
1:18:30
Speaker 1: And you know what's cool too real quick? What the
1:18:32
Speaker 1: Bills would do This was a nice Brady thing that
1:18:33
Speaker 1: I like. They would do this a bunch and they
1:18:35
Speaker 1: would run a smash concept off of it. Like sometimes
1:18:37
Speaker 1: you get a traditional like traditional hitch and then you
1:18:40
Speaker 1: know the traditional corner. This time you essentially get a
1:18:44
Speaker 1: little whip route from Samuel and then you get obviously
1:18:46
Speaker 1: the corner there from Kincaid. But they would rotate it.
1:18:49
Speaker 1: Sometimes the stationary guy would run the corner and sometimes
1:18:52
Speaker 1: the motion guy would run the unathlete and then this
1:18:55
Speaker 1: time it's the opposite. So this is a nice little ring.
1:18:57
Speaker 3: They were really really good with their short motions. Yeah,
1:19:01
Speaker 3: and I like specifically getting the tight end in short
1:19:04
Speaker 3: motion because it might mean, oh there's like a quarterback
1:19:07
Speaker 3: run possibility here, we're getting him in on a block,
1:19:09
Speaker 3: or it could mean so many different things, but for
1:19:13
Speaker 3: this outcome, it kind of gets him going a little
1:19:14
Speaker 3: bit quicker. Yes, and just I really love the hands
1:19:18
Speaker 3: check hand check off the line of scrimmage is so
1:19:20
Speaker 3: big for me.
1:19:21
Speaker 1: He plays right through the contact like and our techn
1:19:23
Speaker 1: physical guy. Yes, and Arnold's physical. He welcomes that. And
1:19:27
Speaker 1: Kincaid's like, nah, I'm just gonna play through it. Oh real,
1:19:30
Speaker 1: real quick. I ran the numbers.
1:19:33
Speaker 3: He would be thirteenth among those thirty one tight ends
1:19:35
Speaker 3: if you took out all the behind this line of scrimmage.
1:19:37
Speaker 1: Stro So he goes from second to thirteenth.
1:19:40
Speaker 3: Second to thirteenth, It drops him about like six and
1:19:43
Speaker 3: a half percent target rates.
1:19:44
Speaker 1: I knew it.
1:19:46
Speaker 3: It's definitely a decent chunk, but it's still top half
1:19:48
Speaker 3: of the league.
1:19:49
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which I still I kind of guess wasn't
1:19:51
Speaker 1: expecting as well. Man, Yeah, that's funny, good call, nice pull.
1:19:55
Speaker 1: Oh I love this throw from this angle, So throw
1:19:58
Speaker 1: the throw makes it this one. Nothing crazy on this one,
1:20:02
Speaker 1: just being super quarterback friendly. He scramble drill you know what.
1:20:07
Speaker 1: This one is touchdown against the Seattle Seahawks. What I
1:20:09
Speaker 1: like about this one? Watch him go across, so he's
1:20:12
Speaker 1: running his little drag route. As he goes, he Id's
1:20:18
Speaker 1: looks back, sees what's going on with Alan. Watch him
1:20:21
Speaker 1: bring his eyes back, feels and slightly. He can see
1:20:25
Speaker 1: that I preferral. He sees that the corner is sitting there.
1:20:27
Speaker 1: So what does he do? Gets his eyes back inside,
1:20:31
Speaker 1: sees that Alan is on the move. Let me stop
1:20:34
Speaker 1: my route and get quarterback friendly and work back and
1:20:37
Speaker 1: why I'm wide open? Like that's just such a He
1:20:41
Speaker 1: was a big scramble drill component guy a couple of
1:20:44
Speaker 1: years ago, as was Diggs, But without Digs, I think
1:20:49
Speaker 1: Diggs and Kid were like number one and two. Gave Gave.
1:20:51
Speaker 1: Davis was big you know previous years as well. And
1:20:55
Speaker 1: so with Davis gone and then Digs gone, Kinka needed
1:20:58
Speaker 1: to kind of pick up that mantle. And this is
1:20:59
Speaker 1: a good example him doing that again. What does it
1:21:01
Speaker 1: come down to? We talked about it his feel for space,
1:21:03
Speaker 1: his feel for leverage. He understands, like you can see him,
1:21:06
Speaker 1: just like get his bearings. I'm looking at the quarterback,
1:21:08
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the coverage. I'm looking back at the quarterback.
1:21:10
Speaker 1: Let me find the space, and not even let me
1:21:13
Speaker 1: find the space. I know where the space is. Let
1:21:16
Speaker 1: me work to it. He immediately works to the space,
1:21:19
Speaker 1: and even one last piece as he turns back upfield,
1:21:22
Speaker 1: obviously he puts the brakes on, looks slightly bang. It's
1:21:26
Speaker 1: that yeah, I can't see him, id Dodson. Yes, that
1:21:29
Speaker 1: quick little head turn right there, just to get enough
1:21:34
Speaker 1: sense of where this guy is, so he knows I
1:21:36
Speaker 1: can go this way, and then I'm funneling into that
1:21:38
Speaker 1: space to take advantage. And that's exactly where he goes.
1:21:41
Speaker 1: He bends it up field. Just really nice sense.
1:21:43
Speaker 3: Big part of that too, is kind of being no
1:21:45
Speaker 3: nonsense about it, like he's not really trying to get
1:21:48
Speaker 3: into the body of Woolen or cross Woolen.
1:21:51
Speaker 1: He's very intentional.
1:21:52
Speaker 3: About Okay, if I'm not hit at this point in
1:21:55
Speaker 3: this route, I'm not getting the ball on this route,
1:21:58
Speaker 3: so I need to make an adjustment. And as you
1:22:00
Speaker 3: already showed, even beyond just the basic if I'm not
1:22:04
Speaker 3: hit by this point in the route, he sees Alan,
1:22:07
Speaker 3: he sees what's going on in the pocket. He's done
1:22:10
Speaker 3: all of the visual gymnastics to figure out where he
1:22:14
Speaker 3: needs to be to be QB friendly and makes it
1:22:16
Speaker 3: a walk in touchdown.
1:22:18
Speaker 1: So nice, just in this it seems so easy, and
1:22:21
Speaker 1: it's like.
1:22:22
Speaker 3: Because it's an innate feel, like he just he gets
1:22:25
Speaker 3: the spacing. It's really just something innately built in him.
1:22:30
Speaker 3: I don't understand it. I mean, there are people who
1:22:33
Speaker 3: do this really well, but it's rare. It's a rare ability.
1:22:37
Speaker 3: This is not something you see all across the NFL.
1:22:40
Speaker 1: No, he's got just such a good feel for that space.
1:22:42
Speaker 1: Yam Bank takes full advantage of it. Nice one there,
1:22:46
Speaker 1: this one condensed look. We got some reduced formational with
1:22:50
Speaker 1: But what do we have again? Surprise surprise, A little
1:22:54
Speaker 1: three over here, a little one over here. This time
1:22:56
Speaker 1: he's on the line. We've got a quasi X and
1:23:00
Speaker 1: who is he matched up against. He's matched up against
1:23:02
Speaker 1: PJ Lock, who is a safety, and watch him just
1:23:07
Speaker 1: own PJ Lock with a little out and up and
1:23:09
Speaker 1: then makes a really nice catchdown field. On a great
1:23:11
Speaker 1: ball from Josh Allen. Also, I'm just gonna mention this once.
1:23:17
Speaker 1: Watch the blitz pick up from Ty Johnson. I don't
1:23:21
Speaker 1: have the end zone angle, which I should have, but
1:23:23
Speaker 1: watched the Blitz pick up. Boo just up ends his man.
1:23:27
Speaker 1: So beautiful, so poetic. But yeah, again, match the great route.
1:23:32
Speaker 3: It's a great route, turns his head back to the quarterback.
1:23:36
Speaker 1: Tempo.
1:23:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, really sells it. I mean, that's that's what you
1:23:39
Speaker 3: have to do on this out and up. If you're
1:23:41
Speaker 3: not turning over that outside shoulder, no one's gonna bite
1:23:44
Speaker 3: and try to undercut that route. And you can see
1:23:46
Speaker 3: once he you can see if you slow it down
1:23:49
Speaker 3: when he kind of peeks over that left shoulder, you
1:23:51
Speaker 3: can see lock change his angle and he kind of
1:23:54
Speaker 3: gets flat and he tries to drive underneath it exactly.
1:23:57
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, this is a pick, this is easy.
1:23:59
Speaker 3: Pick six drives on it and you can see right
1:24:02
Speaker 3: there how much Kinkaid is leaning on that left shoulder
1:24:05
Speaker 3: and that left foot and then he drives off of it,
1:24:08
Speaker 3: gets upfield on it. But you really have to sell
1:24:10
Speaker 3: that component or else the route means nothing.
1:24:13
Speaker 1: Look at how like you said, like that he's leaning
1:24:15
Speaker 1: on that to get here, and look at PJ. Lock
1:24:19
Speaker 1: is hauling it to go here. And so now all
1:24:22
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's got to stop because k K's upfield.
1:24:25
Speaker 1: And look at the difference. Now, look at the body
1:24:27
Speaker 1: shape and the lean for PJ Lock and he reached
1:24:30
Speaker 1: out it just exactly he's playing. Look at him, now,
1:24:34
Speaker 1: let me grab. I'm trying to slow him down. I'm
1:24:36
Speaker 1: trying to obstruct him. I'm trying to do anything I can.
1:24:39
Speaker 1: And again some size and frame benefit and some fluidity
1:24:42
Speaker 1: because he's able to get by and not be impeded.
1:24:45
Speaker 1: Great ball from Allen. And that's what this is also too,
1:24:47
Speaker 1: Like a nice catch, like a nice hands catch away
1:24:52
Speaker 1: from the body falling down to the ground, you're tracking it.
1:24:57
Speaker 1: That's a nice grab. It's right. He loves the basket catch. Yep,
1:25:02
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's not this kind of guy. He's he
1:25:04
Speaker 1: will do this. He'll get me weirdly downfield some times.
1:25:08
Speaker 1: But yeah, he is a kind of reverse hands. That
1:25:10
Speaker 1: not a diamond. I don't I don't know what they
1:25:13
Speaker 1: call this because I got yelled at every time I
1:25:14
Speaker 1: did it. I only but yeah, that's a really nice
1:25:18
Speaker 1: grab and it's cold, it's the playoffs. The ground is hard,
1:25:21
Speaker 1: it's easy for the ball to come lose. You got
1:25:22
Speaker 1: a defender draped on you.
1:25:24
Speaker 3: I was wondering why I hadn't seen this one before this.
1:25:27
Speaker 3: I don't think I looked at any of the playoff snaps.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: When you didn't include it in the list you sent
1:25:31
Speaker 1: to me, I was like, I bet you didn't look
1:25:32
Speaker 1: at the playoff snaps. This is just the one that
1:25:33
Speaker 1: matters the most. But yeah, I like to watch any
1:25:36
Speaker 1: of the playoff targets. This was towards the end of
1:25:38
Speaker 1: the game. I think it was like twenty eight to
1:25:39
Speaker 1: seven at this point. This was one of the final
1:25:40
Speaker 1: nails on the Coffin game against Tennessee. Here we get
1:25:45
Speaker 1: to cover one look from the Tennessee Titans. They've got
1:25:48
Speaker 1: three safeties on the field. This man right here is
1:25:50
Speaker 1: a safety. So you've got a safety trying to cover
1:25:53
Speaker 1: Dalon Kincaid mono emano, which doesn't make sense because in
1:25:57
Speaker 1: Spanish that means hand to hand, which I guess could
1:25:59
Speaker 1: be man. But whatever. When I learned Spanish, like, I
1:26:02
Speaker 1: was like, that doesn't make any sense. Why is it
1:26:03
Speaker 1: always that doesn't mean one on one that means, you know,
1:26:06
Speaker 1: a hand in hand, which I guess I don't know,
1:26:08
Speaker 1: maybe it's slang whatever, but man coverage against the safety advantage.
1:26:12
Speaker 1: Donkey cade, I'm gonna show from two angles, watch a
1:26:15
Speaker 1: little that little stab. Safety is already leaning. He's reaching
1:26:19
Speaker 1: the job. Yep, you reach. I teach chop right through
1:26:23
Speaker 1: again like you said that quick little arm over to
1:26:26
Speaker 1: drive that disconnect. Now let's sell vertical. You don't know
1:26:29
Speaker 1: where I'm going? Am I going right? Am I going left?
1:26:31
Speaker 1: Am I staying vertical? What am I doing?
1:26:33
Speaker 3: This?
1:26:34
Speaker 1: Safety is in chase mode. Want to get some separation? Bang?
1:26:40
Speaker 1: And then this is funny he does make look at
1:26:42
Speaker 1: now he's got the diamond. And then this is also
1:26:44
Speaker 1: to that kind of the example, talking deep like he's
1:26:47
Speaker 1: catching it while also kind of making that drop stuff.
1:26:49
Speaker 1: He's catching it.
1:26:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's trying to get upfield. He knows exactly where
1:26:52
Speaker 3: he is on field. He's already trying to reach for
1:26:54
Speaker 3: the pylon.
1:26:55
Speaker 1: Good awareness. Ball comes loose, but it was a catch.
1:26:59
Speaker 1: Here is is kincaid again? Circle there. I just like
1:27:03
Speaker 1: this end zone angle because yeah, it really shows the
1:27:06
Speaker 1: release boom gets them leaning, and then it also highlights
1:27:10
Speaker 1: the separation. Actually, I want to go back to to
1:27:11
Speaker 1: highlight the arm over piece. Just watch the snap. Watch it.
1:27:15
Speaker 1: The timing of it too, right, Like the movement as
1:27:17
Speaker 1: he stabs and is avoiding as he's moving the arm
1:27:23
Speaker 1: over and the chop is coming right through. It's all fluid.
1:27:26
Speaker 1: There's no disjointed there's no there's no disjointing, there's no disruption,
1:27:30
Speaker 1: there's no hurky jerky. That's what I say. With the
1:27:33
Speaker 1: technical fluidity, like it all just flows.
1:27:35
Speaker 3: Well, he has no movements. It's so efficient.
1:27:39
Speaker 1: And then look at the separation on the end zone
1:27:41
Speaker 1: a like bro like that's it's a single high safety,
1:27:44
Speaker 1: that single high safety unless it's Ed Reid is.
1:27:47
Speaker 3: I mean that safety was also driving on the route
1:27:50
Speaker 3: before he broke off the stem. You could see he
1:27:53
Speaker 3: knew that the corner route was coming and Kinkaid was
1:27:57
Speaker 3: just into it.
1:27:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, he opens to it and Allan throws it to
1:28:01
Speaker 1: the spot. Kid Kid's able to get there.
1:28:05
Speaker 3: But again he's too clean off the line of scrimmage,
1:28:07
Speaker 3: like the safety had no chance to cover one safety.
1:28:10
Speaker 1: That is oh so nice, nice catch. He's already thinking,
1:28:13
Speaker 1: let me get into the end zone. Gets hit a
1:28:15
Speaker 1: little short.
1:28:15
Speaker 3: Honestly, if he doesn't stumble a little bit there on
1:28:18
Speaker 3: the turn up field, I think he might have had
1:28:20
Speaker 3: the pylon.
1:28:21
Speaker 1: That's clean. But again, it kind of puts into like
1:28:23
Speaker 1: Tennessee is like, all right, cool, let's go three safeties
1:28:25
Speaker 1: and try and match them this way. Yeah, Nope, it's
1:28:29
Speaker 1: tough answer.
1:28:30
Speaker 3: It's it's really a tough thing to defend, and it
1:28:33
Speaker 3: needs the Bills really need to weaponize this more. And
1:28:38
Speaker 3: I truly think Jackson Hawes does that for them.
1:28:42
Speaker 1: I just want him to get more in space. Again,
1:28:44
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want him to be just a receiver.
1:28:46
Speaker 1: I don't want him just to be that because it
1:28:48
Speaker 1: takes away some of the dictation element and the menu
1:28:51
Speaker 1: maximization element for the offense. But he's just such an
1:28:55
Speaker 1: advantage in these scenarios. Last one here, this is a
1:29:00
Speaker 1: target that was not a completion. A lot of people
1:29:03
Speaker 1: like to point in his stats and be like, oh,
1:29:04
Speaker 1: he doesn't have this many yards or this many touchdowns
1:29:06
Speaker 1: as these other guys, YadA, YadA. Maybe some of these
1:29:11
Speaker 1: reasons we talk about the catchuple targets wide open and
1:29:15
Speaker 1: Alan just puts it a little too far. Please don't
1:29:17
Speaker 1: yell at me because I've slandered Josh Allen. Please don't
1:29:20
Speaker 1: do that. I don't know if anyone in the chat
1:29:21
Speaker 1: is going to do that. I know he's the MVP,
1:29:23
Speaker 1: and YadA YadA and all that, but the like he
1:29:25
Speaker 1: missed out on a touchdown here, the one that yes,
1:29:29
Speaker 1: And the first thought that got me was like, okay,
1:29:31
Speaker 1: did he throw this with anticipation? And that's why. But
1:29:34
Speaker 1: Kinkaid is already working through and Allen starts to throw
1:29:37
Speaker 1: this like this has to be a completion. Even if
1:29:39
Speaker 1: Kinkaid slows up a little bit, you don't have to
1:29:42
Speaker 1: lead him that far. And if we want to play
1:29:43
Speaker 1: Devil's Advocate, it does hit him a bit on the
1:29:46
Speaker 1: fingertips and bobble, so maybe he still could have caught it,
1:29:50
Speaker 1: but it doesn't need to be as difficult if a
1:29:52
Speaker 1: catch as it is. The defense bites and again he
1:29:55
Speaker 1: pleas got a nickel corner on him. Kenny Moore still
1:29:57
Speaker 1: one of the best nickels in the league. Kenny Moore
1:30:00
Speaker 1: tries to get like, create some contact, create a collision
1:30:02
Speaker 1: point and watch kin kid just play through it. Yeah,
1:30:06
Speaker 1: kind of arm over him and just goes through. Yeah,
1:30:09
Speaker 1: And he's wide open. Just a little bit of a
1:30:11
Speaker 1: missed opportunity there between the two. Any thoughts on that.
1:30:17
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got the goods.
1:30:18
Speaker 3: It's just it's really just piecing it all together in
1:30:21
Speaker 3: terms of usage, in terms of figuring out this catchable
1:30:25
Speaker 3: target rate thing. Like, everything is there, Everything is there
1:30:31
Speaker 3: for King Kid, and I think, I know this is
1:30:34
Speaker 3: the last thing, so I'm kind of doing more of
1:30:37
Speaker 3: a summary, but everything is there for Kinkaid. It's really
1:30:42
Speaker 3: just about all of it coming together in year three
1:30:47
Speaker 3: because we saw so much of it in year one,
1:30:49
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people thought he took
1:30:51
Speaker 3: that step back this year, but you can see there
1:30:53
Speaker 3: are so many moments in the film where you're like,
1:30:56
Speaker 3: he didn't.
1:30:57
Speaker 1: Take a step back.
1:30:58
Speaker 3: There were just some oppertun tunities that didn't come to
1:31:01
Speaker 3: fruition the way it did as a rookie. So I
1:31:05
Speaker 3: think there's still a lot of reasons to be excited,
1:31:07
Speaker 3: especially on the pass catching front.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: I agree. Now, let's take a look at Dalton Kincaid,
1:31:12
Speaker 1: the run blocker, gonna show some good, show some bad.
1:31:16
Speaker 1: So we got a three by one here. He's not
1:31:19
Speaker 1: on the line. Shakir is on the line, but show
1:31:23
Speaker 1: some of what he can do. This is Dalton Kincaid
1:31:26
Speaker 1: on former Bill Jordan Poyer right here. But just to
1:31:29
Speaker 1: kind of give a sense, just watch the willingness, the effort.
1:31:34
Speaker 1: This is a good block from Kincaid. Maybe a little
1:31:36
Speaker 1: bit of a hold, but the willingness, the contact he sustains.
1:31:40
Speaker 1: It gets a little too far out inside or inside,
1:31:43
Speaker 1: but then again Cook cuts back. That's not his fault.
1:31:46
Speaker 1: But look at him, get on him, get his hands on,
1:31:48
Speaker 1: drive drives them that. I will take that every day
1:31:51
Speaker 1: of that. If he can just do that more, that's awesome,
1:31:54
Speaker 1: considering the pass catcher that he is. And even look
1:31:56
Speaker 1: at the little bit little nastiness on the end of
1:31:58
Speaker 1: it as he drives it. I'll watch him chuck him
1:32:01
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit of some nastiness.
1:32:06
Speaker 3: But that's what we mean. Like he's very willing. It's
1:32:09
Speaker 3: it's not about an effort thing. The effort is there.
1:32:12
Speaker 3: It's really just a technique thing.
1:32:15
Speaker 1: Fully.
1:32:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see like, yeah, the hand placement there,
1:32:19
Speaker 3: the slight hold at the end of it when when
1:32:22
Speaker 3: Cook hits the cut.
1:32:23
Speaker 1: Because his hands get a little bit too outside of
1:32:25
Speaker 1: ployer's frame and he gets a little out of control.
1:32:28
Speaker 3: Like it's just small polishing things and you can kind
1:32:31
Speaker 3: of start to maximize what he is as a blocker.
1:32:34
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't want to say he's close
1:32:37
Speaker 3: to maximize, but like he can get better. But yeah,
1:32:41
Speaker 3: I think when we went the scale one to ten, like,
1:32:44
Speaker 3: I don't think he's getting he's ever gonna clip six.
1:32:47
Speaker 1: But I was literally saying, like he could climb to
1:32:49
Speaker 1: like a five and a half.
1:32:51
Speaker 3: I think it's possible to get to six. And that's it.
1:32:54
Speaker 3: It's it's gonna take some time. There's things to clean up,
1:32:57
Speaker 3: but you can see the potential here. And I think
1:32:59
Speaker 3: the effort is the biggest thing when it comes to
1:33:01
Speaker 3: blocking potential.
1:33:02
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a huge, huge piece, especially considering how much
1:33:04
Speaker 1: of a plus he is as a receiver. Again, like
1:33:06
Speaker 1: we talked about this one. I didn't remember this in
1:33:09
Speaker 1: the season. I really like the design of this one.
1:33:11
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let this play out. Watch him. They're faking
1:33:15
Speaker 1: like they're giving this to cook. And then we get
1:33:17
Speaker 1: a little orbit toss right and kin Kaid is still
1:33:21
Speaker 1: right here. He puts a pivot on and again these
1:33:23
Speaker 1: two examples I wanted to show, right, who's the first
1:33:26
Speaker 1: guy that he's having a successful block against, Jordan Poyer.
1:33:28
Speaker 1: Who's this next one? Is he having a successful block against? Yes,
1:33:31
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. So two defensive backs, guys that he has
1:33:34
Speaker 1: the size advantage against. He is a willing blocker. But
1:33:38
Speaker 1: because the technique and the size and the frame, yes,
1:33:40
Speaker 1: from a thickness standpoint is in there, he's not gonna
1:33:43
Speaker 1: be you know, the guy that he's gonna win on
1:33:45
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage against defensive lineman or against bigger
1:33:48
Speaker 1: thumpin type of linebackers. But you get him on DB's
1:33:50
Speaker 1: the effort and then the size and frame allows him
1:33:53
Speaker 1: to win. So he puts the brakes on, goes outside.
1:33:56
Speaker 1: Let's watch him finish here. Just get on Ramsey, bang
1:33:59
Speaker 1: gets low, pops him, drives him out a little bit.
1:34:02
Speaker 1: I don't care what happens in the rest of the play.
1:34:04
Speaker 1: Look at that Ramsey tries to meet him boom.
1:34:08
Speaker 3: I mean even before you went down to break down,
1:34:12
Speaker 3: like how they're getting him on defensive packs. Just the
1:34:15
Speaker 3: idea of getting him on the move to block people
1:34:19
Speaker 3: is already a win. Like you want to maximize his
1:34:23
Speaker 3: movement skills, almost use him as a lead blocker in
1:34:25
Speaker 3: a sense here it makes so much sense. If we
1:34:29
Speaker 3: can get him to a point where he can start
1:34:31
Speaker 3: taking on like some weak side linebackers, that's a huge win.
1:34:35
Speaker 3: But you know, that's, like I said, a huge win
1:34:38
Speaker 3: and probably a bit down the road.
1:34:40
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is a great design. I also did
1:34:43
Speaker 1: not remember this at all. A little bit of a
1:34:46
Speaker 1: counterfeel to it. Yeah, so shout out to uh, I'm
1:34:49
Speaker 1: gonna circle Spencer Brown, watch Spencer Brown troves on this one.
1:34:53
Speaker 1: He trips and then still still crazy. But yeah, I
1:35:00
Speaker 1: like this little design. And again, what do you do
1:35:01
Speaker 1: get kin kid out in space? A little mismatch advantage
1:35:05
Speaker 1: as a blocker. I like this one too because he'll
1:35:07
Speaker 1: get a bit upright at times. I'm gonna show it
1:35:09
Speaker 1: on some of the ones that he struggles. I like it. Lead.
1:35:14
Speaker 1: This is what you're kind of hitting that pad and
1:35:16
Speaker 1: they teach you you're trying to make three points of
1:35:18
Speaker 1: contact all on once. It's in the front of your helmet,
1:35:20
Speaker 1: your forehead there along with your hands. You're trying to
1:35:22
Speaker 1: get all three, bring your hips and jam and bring
1:35:26
Speaker 1: yourself through. He creates those points of contact and then
1:35:29
Speaker 1: plays through. You see a little bit of the weight
1:35:31
Speaker 1: transfer through the hips through the body and look at
1:35:33
Speaker 1: it knock Ramsey back. It knocks him on his heels,
1:35:36
Speaker 1: widens that hole a little bit, takes him out of
1:35:38
Speaker 1: the play. Yeah, it's more than obstruction. It's moving people.
1:35:42
Speaker 1: A little bit of some people movement. Uh Gay example
1:35:45
Speaker 1: here against again against another defensive back, this time for
1:35:49
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. This is early in the season, week one.
1:35:52
Speaker 1: This is kind of like the good and the willing,
1:35:53
Speaker 1: but also not so great, Like I'd love for him
1:35:55
Speaker 1: to sustain this a little more. It's like behind a
1:35:58
Speaker 1: little bit. Alan still scored, but this is one like
1:36:01
Speaker 1: clean up that technique. If you watch he has him, yes,
1:36:06
Speaker 1: but the hands, you're just like they're just a little
1:36:09
Speaker 1: Why get inside the frame or if you're gonna get
1:36:11
Speaker 1: those hands, you gotta clamp down and then bring your feet,
1:36:14
Speaker 1: understand your angle, understand your body positioning. He just gets
1:36:19
Speaker 1: peaked and then left like this this disconnect and this
1:36:22
Speaker 1: discard is.
1:36:23
Speaker 3: Just gonna say disconnect, like it seems like there's so
1:36:26
Speaker 3: much disconnection between like his core and his limbs. On
1:36:30
Speaker 3: this one, it feels like he's he's way too overtoes,
1:36:34
Speaker 3: way too lungey on this and he's just trying to
1:36:37
Speaker 3: get to the block versus get to the block with
1:36:40
Speaker 3: like good body positioning, like a sturdy base. He's not
1:36:46
Speaker 3: really driving through him in any way, he's just kind
1:36:48
Speaker 3: of like lunging at his chest.
1:36:50
Speaker 1: Your hands are what control, your feet are what drive,
1:36:53
Speaker 1: and he forgets to bring his feet yep, like there's
1:36:56
Speaker 1: no he comes through good drive, right, and then he
1:37:01
Speaker 1: almost kind of like stops moving his feet like he's
1:37:03
Speaker 1: just chilling.
1:37:03
Speaker 3: Well because he never had his hands at that point, and.
1:37:06
Speaker 1: Now he's disconnected and then he gets caught lunging and leaning.
1:37:09
Speaker 1: Finish that man, Like you have the size and frame advantage.
1:37:12
Speaker 1: I want you to drive him through the end zone,
1:37:15
Speaker 1: like get into him, bury him. Also, even from a
1:37:18
Speaker 1: design standpoint, grant, you don't necessarily know like where the
1:37:20
Speaker 1: run is gonna go. But if Alan is keeping this thing,
1:37:24
Speaker 1: he's going out here. So if anything, you yeah, you
1:37:31
Speaker 1: want to be here so Alan can beat that edge
1:37:33
Speaker 1: defender to the corner. So it's just body positioning, a
1:37:36
Speaker 1: little better hand placement, bringing your feet again. Some things
1:37:39
Speaker 1: to clean up, but the willingness is there, the want
1:37:41
Speaker 1: to is there. Here's him attached in the line of
1:37:45
Speaker 1: scrimmage heavy. Look here Alec Anderson is a sixth offensive lineman.
1:37:48
Speaker 1: Then then you've got Knox here and mister Kincaid highlighted
1:37:52
Speaker 1: over there. This is where we start to see some
1:37:54
Speaker 1: of the struggles. Just watch him get tossed around a
1:37:56
Speaker 1: little bit. This is Mac Wilson for the Cardinals. Just yeah,
1:38:01
Speaker 1: rag down him a little bit there, like and you
1:38:04
Speaker 1: see that. You want to see a bit more of
1:38:08
Speaker 1: ownership of that inside. He's more nail than he is hammer.
1:38:13
Speaker 1: Wilson's starting to get through him. He gets put upright,
1:38:16
Speaker 1: there's no force, he's getting knocked off his feet. Then
1:38:19
Speaker 1: he gives up the inside and then Wilson just chucks
1:38:23
Speaker 1: him and rag dons him. And that's where you start
1:38:24
Speaker 1: to see again against more like physical linebackers, against bigger
1:38:28
Speaker 1: bodies in general, but more physical guys. That's where you
1:38:31
Speaker 1: start to see the technique will kind of hinder him
1:38:34
Speaker 1: a little bit, and it needs to be on point
1:38:36
Speaker 1: again because of he is more of a lankier frame
1:38:39
Speaker 1: type of guy.
1:38:39
Speaker 3: And I do think that's where some hope can still
1:38:42
Speaker 3: remain is when you watch some of this, you're like,
1:38:45
Speaker 3: there is some technique that he could clean up and
1:38:47
Speaker 3: some stuff that even if it's just exactly a little.
1:38:51
Speaker 1: Bit and seal just be more of an obstructor exactly
1:38:54
Speaker 1: drive him to the moon.
1:38:55
Speaker 3: But when you set this block up, you need to
1:38:58
Speaker 3: set it up stronger on your right shoulder. You need
1:39:00
Speaker 3: to get inside of him much stronger.
1:39:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
1:39:04
Speaker 3: I do, honestly get a little bit more hopeful from
1:39:07
Speaker 3: some of these losses because you see how poor the
1:39:09
Speaker 3: technique is and you're like, yes, we have people who
1:39:12
Speaker 3: can coach him on that, and we see that he's willing.
1:39:15
Speaker 3: Willingness plus lack of technique means room to grow.
1:39:18
Speaker 1: Yes, very fair that one. There another one against the
1:39:24
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. He uses a lot of that. And it's
1:39:28
Speaker 1: the technique they teach you, offensive Lineman. It's like the
1:39:30
Speaker 1: chromer technique. And then Boris teaches as well, like they'll
1:39:33
Speaker 1: chop down that hand and use it, try and get
1:39:34
Speaker 1: inside position, whether they turn.
1:39:36
Speaker 3: And base block a guy or just like first things
1:39:38
Speaker 3: first get inside by chopping.
1:39:40
Speaker 1: Shop and then get that inside position, even if you're
1:39:42
Speaker 1: just shielding him and kind of going through him as
1:39:44
Speaker 1: opposed to like getting hands on and turning and grabbing
1:39:47
Speaker 1: and driving re establish hands later, yes, but you'll like
1:39:51
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll see them they'll chop that hand and instead
1:39:56
Speaker 1: of kind of turning to meet the guy, they'll just
1:39:58
Speaker 1: continue to go this way because the whole idea is
1:40:01
Speaker 1: they want to win inside position and make this guy
1:40:03
Speaker 1: go like this, because by the time he does that,
1:40:05
Speaker 1: this one is already hit north and south and they're
1:40:08
Speaker 1: not going to get there because of the angle. But
1:40:10
Speaker 1: you'll see Kinkaid go for that move. And again, this
1:40:13
Speaker 1: is a bigger bodied edge. This is still's like this
1:40:18
Speaker 1: is a two hundred and eighty six pound so not
1:40:20
Speaker 1: the biggest live tech's.
1:40:21
Speaker 3: That's like a true four eye type player.
1:40:24
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a mismatch for a lot of tight ends.
1:40:26
Speaker 1: But it just puts into respective like this is not
1:40:28
Speaker 1: what you want for him, and again it's disadvantage for him.
1:40:33
Speaker 1: This is an area where well, he should be owning
1:40:35
Speaker 1: this guy, but you'd like to see him struck him
1:40:37
Speaker 1: a little bit more if possible. Instead, it's just a
1:40:40
Speaker 1: straight like, no, let me just just get out of
1:40:42
Speaker 1: my way, like he just knocks it back.
1:40:44
Speaker 3: No, but you're right, like, this is a really good
1:40:46
Speaker 3: example to show some of the ways that Joe Brady
1:40:51
Speaker 3: might feel limited, yes, in how he's calling plays, how
1:40:54
Speaker 3: he's setting up his personnel.
1:40:55
Speaker 1: Packages, stuff like that.
1:40:57
Speaker 3: Like when you're playing odd front defense is it's probably
1:41:02
Speaker 3: a little bit more difficult to get Dalton Kincaid in line.
1:41:05
Speaker 1: And when you're blocking a dude that has that much
1:41:07
Speaker 1: weight on you, like, look at this, like there's no
1:41:08
Speaker 1: power in that base. You are upright, You're already getting
1:41:11
Speaker 1: knocked back, like there's no lean, there's no leverage, there's
1:41:14
Speaker 1: no drive. You are like at a disadvantage there for
1:41:16
Speaker 1: a bit, and he just gets driven back into the backfield.
1:41:20
Speaker 1: This one here, this is a good example of what
1:41:22
Speaker 1: you can do to kind of counter some things. So
1:41:25
Speaker 1: you'll see defenses or offenses will do this, like they
1:41:28
Speaker 1: will arc this tight end. So this is a dafe
1:41:30
Speaker 1: oh way rather than have Kincaid block him. I love
1:41:34
Speaker 1: this play design. And again this isn't just a Bill's thing.
1:41:36
Speaker 1: You see college teams doing. NFL teams do what they
1:41:38
Speaker 1: will arc this tight end. So he's going to kind
1:41:40
Speaker 1: of show to kind of hold and influence this man.
1:41:44
Speaker 1: Then circle around and go to Brandon Stevens. So again
1:41:47
Speaker 1: now you get him on a corner, which is an
1:41:49
Speaker 1: advantage to Kincaid. And then what's really nice is the
1:41:52
Speaker 1: influence here holds away and then Gilliam comes and just
1:41:55
Speaker 1: cleans him out. But we'll go and slow moll here,
1:41:58
Speaker 1: so a little influence. Now what's Away doing looking at
1:42:00
Speaker 1: me like, oh okay, he's gonna base block me. Let me
1:42:02
Speaker 1: go after him. And Kikaid's like, psych, I'm going to
1:42:05
Speaker 1: the corner and now always like uh oh, I was
1:42:09
Speaker 1: just acting on this and here comes Reggie Gilliam who
1:42:12
Speaker 1: just drives him out to widen the hole. And now
1:42:16
Speaker 1: you've got Kincaid going back to focus on kid. Just
1:42:19
Speaker 1: watch Kinkaid get onto Stevens willingness and then drive him,
1:42:24
Speaker 1: drives him. You even see again he's still a little
1:42:26
Speaker 1: high right, like he's not low, but because he has
1:42:29
Speaker 1: the size and frame advantage, he can get away a little.
1:42:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it just gets frustrating, you know, because
1:42:37
Speaker 3: you want to see him work onto the bigger bodies
1:42:39
Speaker 3: and you don't want to see the offense get so
1:42:41
Speaker 3: limited from that perspective. But this works here, like this
1:42:45
Speaker 3: is this is really really good play design in terms
1:42:48
Speaker 3: of work with what you have.
1:42:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, some things you can do, all right now, Duncan
1:42:57
Speaker 1: Kaid inserting size advantage Buddha Baker. Buddha Baker is an
1:43:02
Speaker 1: absolute wolverine. And you see Baker get jumping tell us
1:43:07
Speaker 1: a lot, yeah right, jump inside. What is he doing?
1:43:11
Speaker 1: He's leaning, he's lunging a little bit. The body positioning
1:43:14
Speaker 1: is off, and you see him kind of just crumple
1:43:17
Speaker 1: tries to almost tackle him a little bit. Could have
1:43:18
Speaker 1: been called for a hole. Doesn't get called for a
1:43:20
Speaker 1: hold here. There's another hole that gets called somewhere else
1:43:24
Speaker 1: on this play. Yeah, they can see the ref though
1:43:26
Speaker 1: the flag there. But if we play just in real
1:43:29
Speaker 1: time again watching k go through, you see him just
1:43:32
Speaker 1: gets caught a little bit too much. Baker again, Baker
1:43:34
Speaker 1: super physical, juiced up, has the leverage advantage in the
1:43:38
Speaker 1: lower center of gravity. But you'd like to see Kinkage
1:43:40
Speaker 1: just bring the feet a little bit more, get better
1:43:42
Speaker 1: body positioning instead of getting caught kind of too much
1:43:45
Speaker 1: over your toes, leaning, lunging and essentially trying to just
1:43:47
Speaker 1: grab and drag.
1:43:49
Speaker 3: Very similar to the other play in this Cardinals game
1:43:51
Speaker 3: where he's just a little odd in terms of his
1:43:55
Speaker 3: pursuit of this angle and how he's kind of pursuing
1:43:58
Speaker 3: the block engagement and like he knows where Cook is going.
1:44:03
Speaker 3: Obviously he bounces it left. But either way, if he
1:44:05
Speaker 3: were to take the inside shoulder a little bit stronger,
1:44:10
Speaker 3: you can seal him off. And I think he's like
1:44:12
Speaker 3: waiting for Baker to come to him versus.
1:44:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like exactly, he's almost waiting for Buddha
1:44:19
Speaker 1: to declare. And you know.
1:44:23
Speaker 3: Where the play design is, go establish yourself and be
1:44:27
Speaker 3: that obstruction. Instead he kind of established himself like a
1:44:31
Speaker 3: yard too soon.
1:44:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is just duo, like Anderson is working
1:44:35
Speaker 1: to seven because you're white. White beats him the spot.
1:44:38
Speaker 1: So Cook just cuts it back like usually this hits
1:44:40
Speaker 1: more front side. But you know that you are like Buddha,
1:44:43
Speaker 1: Baker is your man. You know this is the unblocked defender.
1:44:48
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker is your man. Get to your man, don't
1:44:51
Speaker 1: get caught lunching. Better body position, better kind of tempoing
1:44:55
Speaker 1: of it. This one's another good example just showing the effort.
1:44:58
Speaker 1: Watch him try and do everything he can to stay
1:45:01
Speaker 1: in between his man and the ball. Might not be
1:45:04
Speaker 1: the cleanest of the best, but it's just effort. Effort,
1:45:07
Speaker 1: effort and actually ends up doing a good jump.
1:45:09
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of where the past catching athleticism shows
1:45:13
Speaker 3: itself as a blocker.
1:45:15
Speaker 1: And again, this might seem like a cop out all
1:45:17
Speaker 1: if you're saying he's willing, it means he's not a
1:45:18
Speaker 1: good blocker. This matter. This is just pure effort. He
1:45:21
Speaker 1: makes a block here just because of effort. Look at
1:45:23
Speaker 1: him try again through the whole thing, Bobbin and Weavin Nope, okay,
1:45:27
Speaker 1: let me try again, nope, let me try again, okay.
1:45:29
Speaker 1: And then Cook His path allows Kinkaid to eventually get
1:45:33
Speaker 1: a good block. But that effort matters a lot.
1:45:35
Speaker 3: Here almost works symbiotically with cook slashing ability right, because
1:45:39
Speaker 3: he'll just keep slashing off of whatever this second thing is.
1:45:43
Speaker 1: He's trying to match kind they're like slalom skiers. But again,
1:45:48
Speaker 1: that effort matters, it does.
1:45:49
Speaker 3: It's really a huge part of this, this piece.
1:45:52
Speaker 1: They're this puzzle NICs run Cook there. Jack's got bodied
1:45:57
Speaker 1: in this game. Here's a good example of that, you know,
1:46:01
Speaker 1: kind of just the lack of physicality. He's gonna go
1:46:04
Speaker 1: for that arm chop, right, and watch him just chop
1:46:07
Speaker 1: the arm and then nothing happens and he just gets
1:46:11
Speaker 1: driven into Cook. Okay, okay, okay, Yeah, and see now
1:46:16
Speaker 1: this is one where again you're trying. It's almost like
1:46:18
Speaker 1: he gets caught in that body position aspect. I don't
1:46:21
Speaker 1: know if he was trying to just run through him
1:46:24
Speaker 1: and make him go this way so he could climb
1:46:27
Speaker 1: and get Wiggins, but the movement here like he just
1:46:31
Speaker 1: doesn't and he's stationary. And then before he knows that,
1:46:34
Speaker 1: the defenders into him because he's almost like still looking
1:46:37
Speaker 1: at Wiggins like he's trying to get through, but he's home. Yeah,
1:46:40
Speaker 1: and he just gets driven down the line and into
1:46:44
Speaker 1: James Cook. Yeah, it kind of looks like he yeah,
1:46:47
Speaker 1: I think you have this.
1:46:48
Speaker 3: He he knows he has two assignments here and he
1:46:51
Speaker 3: kind of got little preoccupied with assignment number two and
1:46:55
Speaker 3: never really finished assignment number one.
1:46:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, because again they'll just they'll hit that quick hand,
1:47:01
Speaker 1: make this guy go this way, and then go and
1:47:03
Speaker 1: get this guy because here you go, here you go.
1:47:06
Speaker 1: Now you've got a man accounted for. You create this
1:47:09
Speaker 1: unblocked defender out here, but you don't care because he's
1:47:11
Speaker 1: going upfield and he's not gonna be able to do
1:47:13
Speaker 1: anything to get this quick hitting run inside and you've
1:47:17
Speaker 1: got a hat on a hat everywhere else.
1:47:18
Speaker 3: I mean, worse comes to worst. You don't get to
1:47:20
Speaker 3: assignment too. I like Cook's chances to make Wiggins miss.
1:47:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if that does happen and you get
1:47:27
Speaker 1: like a seal there, like maybe he gets a little
1:47:28
Speaker 1: cleaner through here. Again, Hamilton's in a good spot, so
1:47:31
Speaker 1: maybe it's only a couple of yards difference, but sure,
1:47:33
Speaker 1: just the example there of Dalton Kincaid as a blocker,
1:47:38
Speaker 1: lack of physicality there, and how that can be a
1:47:41
Speaker 1: bit of a hindrance Kendall anything else on the pure
1:47:46
Speaker 1: Dalton Konkid aspect as a pass catcher run blocker before
1:47:49
Speaker 1: we sow some tape of some other good tight ends
1:47:51
Speaker 1: and then get out of here.
1:47:53
Speaker 3: I think the main thing for King Kid that I'm
1:47:55
Speaker 3: taking away because I watched my own blocking stuff, but
1:47:59
Speaker 3: I didn't get nearly as far through as I know
1:48:01
Speaker 3: you did. There's still stuff to work with here, Like
1:48:04
Speaker 3: I really want to harp on that, like willingness piece,
1:48:08
Speaker 3: And I know.
1:48:09
Speaker 1: It's not that matters a lot. Will matters a lot.
1:48:13
Speaker 3: I know it's so stupid and it sounds like nothing,
1:48:16
Speaker 3: but like football is a physical sport, if you don't
1:48:20
Speaker 3: want to be physical, you're not going to succeed. He
1:48:23
Speaker 3: he wants to be. There might be some physical limitations,
1:48:28
Speaker 3: but he wants it, and that's more than half the
1:48:31
Speaker 3: battle in football. So I really, really truly think getting
1:48:35
Speaker 3: some of these technical and some of the I guess
1:48:39
Speaker 3: mental assignment stuff cleaned up in terms of like decision
1:48:43
Speaker 3: making on like oh should I force stronger on the
1:48:45
Speaker 3: inside or the outside shoulder? Where should I prioritize my
1:48:49
Speaker 3: seal hand placement stuff, being consistent with your base and
1:48:55
Speaker 3: your hand placement, all of that, like symbiotically working together.
1:49:00
Speaker 3: All that technique stuff can work itself out through your
1:49:03
Speaker 3: time being a pro. And I it will get better,
1:49:07
Speaker 3: but it can't get better unless you're willing.
1:49:11
Speaker 1: And I think he has that knocked out.
1:49:12
Speaker 3: So I'm hopeful it will get better, but it's gonna
1:49:17
Speaker 3: be piece by piece.
1:49:18
Speaker 1: It'll be incremental. I like the comments here. James says
1:49:21
Speaker 1: the spirit is willing, and then music Blocker eighty seven said,
1:49:24
Speaker 1: but the flesh is weak. That was good. Yeah, yeah,
1:49:29
Speaker 1: all right, so now we're gonna now we're heah good Jef, Yeah,
1:49:32
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna show some stuff here for three
1:49:34
Speaker 1: tight ends, Trey McBride, Sam Laporta, and Brock Bauers. Just
1:49:41
Speaker 1: as a point of reference for some how other guys
1:49:43
Speaker 1: are used and also just as a point of reference.
1:49:45
Speaker 1: So Dalton kincaid alignment snap rates from twenty twenty four
1:49:51
Speaker 1: twenty six point eight percent of the time he was
1:49:53
Speaker 1: in line, so attached to the line of scrimmage, fifty
1:49:56
Speaker 1: six point four percent of the time he was in
1:49:58
Speaker 1: the slot, fifteen point seve seven percent of the time
1:50:00
Speaker 1: he was out wide, So not a lot of inline
1:50:04
Speaker 1: tight end stuff. That was Knox, that was Alec Anderson,
1:50:06
Speaker 1: even Quenton Morris. So you're seeing him more in the slot,
1:50:08
Speaker 1: more out wide, more of a pass catching element. First
1:50:12
Speaker 1: guy here, we're gonna show Trey McBride. So again, Kinkaid
1:50:15
Speaker 1: twenty six point eight percent of the time in line,
1:50:17
Speaker 1: Trey McBride thirty nine point nine percent of the time
1:50:21
Speaker 1: he was in line, so almost a full actually a
1:50:23
Speaker 1: thirteen point one percentage point increase from an inline perspective,
1:50:27
Speaker 1: which is a lot slot decently close. McBride fifty one
1:50:31
Speaker 1: point nine percent to Kinkad's fifty six point four out
1:50:35
Speaker 1: wide is the big difference. McBride only seven point seven
1:50:37
Speaker 1: percent of his snaps came out wide. Kincaid's again fifteen
1:50:41
Speaker 1: point seven huge target share difference as well.
1:50:47
Speaker 3: Uh, you have one hundred and forty seven targets this season.
1:50:51
Speaker 1: So yeah, Kincaid just regular season seventy five targets per
1:50:56
Speaker 1: SIS in twenty twenty four. McBride one hundred and forty six,
1:51:02
Speaker 1: so almost a full doubling, second most for tight end
1:51:05
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Bowers was first at one hundred and
1:51:08
Speaker 1: fifty four. And then this is also crazy considering the volume, right,
1:51:12
Speaker 1: the volume that McBride had, So those one hundred and
1:51:14
Speaker 1: forty six targets second amongst all tight ends out of
1:51:19
Speaker 1: thirty six tight ends with at least forty targets. He
1:51:22
Speaker 1: was tied for eleventh in EPA per target. He was
1:51:24
Speaker 1: second in overall EPA, and he was sixth in positive
1:51:28
Speaker 1: play percentage and that is the percentage of passes thrown
1:51:30
Speaker 1: to him that resulted in positive EPA or IE a
1:51:34
Speaker 1: successful play for the offense. So from a volume standpoint,
1:51:37
Speaker 1: he cooked. From an efficiency standpoint, he cooked compared to Kincaid. Again,
1:51:43
Speaker 1: out of those thirty six tight ends with at least
1:51:45
Speaker 1: forty targets. Kincaid was twenty first in EPA per target
1:51:50
Speaker 1: versus McBride's eleventh. Kinkaid was twenty second in EPA to
1:51:54
Speaker 1: McBride's second. And then positive play percentage is that big one.
1:51:58
Speaker 1: McBride was sixth. Kincaid was thirty third out of thirty
1:52:02
Speaker 1: six tight ends in positive play percentage, or percentage of
1:52:06
Speaker 1: passes thrown to him that resulted in possible.
1:52:08
Speaker 3: We got to find a way to filter these stats
1:52:10
Speaker 3: for catchable targets.
1:52:11
Speaker 1: That is also but see dad, that's literally next to
1:52:14
Speaker 1: my notes there, like, so the uncatchable aspect obviously playing
1:52:16
Speaker 1: a role.
1:52:16
Speaker 3: Just we got to find a way data ways.
1:52:20
Speaker 1: Let's just watch some stuff on train McBride balling out.
1:52:22
Speaker 1: I think the physicality in the size after the catch
1:52:25
Speaker 1: is a big difference with McBride. He's Tray McBride is
1:52:29
Speaker 1: we were talking about it offline, one of the best
1:52:31
Speaker 1: tight ends in football overall, better blocker than he gets
1:52:34
Speaker 1: credit for. He's big, he's athletic, he's physical, he's got
1:52:37
Speaker 1: good hands, he's got some crispness and suddenness to his routes.
1:52:40
Speaker 1: But he's also got athleticism and kind of a bit
1:52:43
Speaker 1: of a bulldozer feel to him. Yeah, when I tweeted
1:52:46
Speaker 1: this play during the season, I said, he just turns
1:52:48
Speaker 1: into a T one thousand after the catch, so three
1:52:50
Speaker 1: by one he's the one condensed formation. He's on the
1:52:53
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Watch him just run this drag route
1:52:56
Speaker 1: and Sauce Gardner tries to tackle him and he says no,
1:53:00
Speaker 1: and then he's like, I'm just gonna hurtle guy. Just
1:53:03
Speaker 1: that's just silly.
1:53:05
Speaker 3: He's such a special combination of athleticism, like he is
1:53:09
Speaker 3: the complete package of tight end.
1:53:12
Speaker 1: I this is I don't I don't know.
1:53:15
Speaker 3: I'm lost for words every time I watch Dray McBride
1:53:18
Speaker 3: because I think back to like his days at Colorado State, right, Like,
1:53:22
Speaker 3: this is exactly what he looked like at Colorado State,
1:53:24
Speaker 3: and now he's doing it in.
1:53:25
Speaker 1: The pros, right Like, this stuff shouldn't translate, and it
1:53:28
Speaker 1: does and West NFL, right, this is on third down
1:53:32
Speaker 1: gets the first down. Here's another one. Again, we talked
1:53:35
Speaker 1: about that thirteen percentage point difference in in line versus kincaid.
1:53:40
Speaker 1: Here he is in line spread look, but he's still
1:53:43
Speaker 1: in line. This catch is insane. Not a lot of suddenness,
1:53:47
Speaker 1: not a lot of deception on the route. But watch
1:53:48
Speaker 1: the speed. Watch how he just eats up the cushion
1:53:52
Speaker 1: against the safety and then plays through him and makes
1:53:55
Speaker 1: a crazy good catch and draws the flat because he
1:54:02
Speaker 1: got held on it too. I forgot. Here's the end
1:54:04
Speaker 1: zone angle of it. Watch him out of his stance.
1:54:07
Speaker 1: I love how low he gets in his stance. You
1:54:09
Speaker 1: see the power in the first Yeah, watch this catch
1:54:15
Speaker 1: from this angle, a little tripped up there through the stumble,
1:54:22
Speaker 1: knees down. Great play again, the athleticism, the power, Like
1:54:28
Speaker 1: he's got more power to his movements, more explosion. But
1:54:32
Speaker 1: from a power standpoint, he's a.
1:54:34
Speaker 3: Little less, a little less fluid, a little more rigid
1:54:37
Speaker 3: than Kinkaid.
1:54:38
Speaker 1: But he makes up for it because he has more power. Yeah,
1:54:42
Speaker 1: there's another one vertical. It's not ridiculous. This is them
1:54:47
Speaker 1: down by like three with like a minute and ten
1:54:50
Speaker 1: or twenty something left in the game. Like this was
1:54:52
Speaker 1: a big play here again matched up against Richie, Grant
1:54:56
Speaker 1: just hauls it, high tails it, plays through him, comes
1:54:59
Speaker 1: back to the ball ketch and then the wherewithal to
1:55:03
Speaker 1: try and fight to be like wait a minute. I'm
1:55:06
Speaker 1: not down, Let me get up and then carry some
1:55:10
Speaker 1: guys a little bit, just and then he gets about it,
1:55:18
Speaker 1: gets it right in his face, lets him know a
1:55:19
Speaker 1: little bit. This is the end zone. Angle on it.
1:55:21
Speaker 1: Just like the way he tracks the ball comes back
1:55:22
Speaker 1: to it again. You see him high tailing it out.
1:55:25
Speaker 1: Let me track. I love how he doesn't try to
1:55:27
Speaker 1: just let the past interference happen. He plays, No, he
1:55:30
Speaker 1: wants the ball. Ye plays through and that's a hard catch.
1:55:32
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but that is the catch.
1:55:35
Speaker 3: That's literally the catch that that's you.
1:55:37
Speaker 1: Would have loved for Kink to make that kind of catch.
1:55:39
Speaker 1: Granted the ball was like helicopter in a bit. Yeah,
1:55:43
Speaker 1: get up, get up? Oh just real pretty Uh. This
1:55:49
Speaker 1: one's a nice one. Just the athleticism as he plays
1:55:53
Speaker 1: through his hands.
1:55:56
Speaker 3: You don't think someone that moves like him, because he
1:56:00
Speaker 3: moves like he's a blocking tight end in so many ways,
1:56:03
Speaker 3: like he's such a straight line mover. Doesn't have the
1:56:06
Speaker 3: best lateral agility, but he's really good hand eye coordination.
1:56:12
Speaker 1: I also love on this one Ernest Jones here number thirteen.
1:56:17
Speaker 1: I love how McBride sees him and make sure as
1:56:20
Speaker 1: he's in his drop to make sure he gets underneath yep,
1:56:23
Speaker 1: exactly and flattens. Good ball from Kyler. Good adjustment Foray McBride.
1:56:27
Speaker 1: The athleticism, the power. This is talking about the design
1:56:31
Speaker 1: and the scheme. Arizona does a good job of like
1:56:34
Speaker 1: factoring things out for him and designers for him. I
1:56:36
Speaker 1: wish the bills ran more tight end leak and tight
1:56:39
Speaker 1: end delay. I feel like it works sixty percent of
1:56:41
Speaker 1: the time. It works every time. But this is just again,
1:56:46
Speaker 1: more athleticism and foolishness. Sells the blocking, gets up field
1:56:51
Speaker 1: and then yep, just because I can sell it, sell it. Boom,
1:56:57
Speaker 1: get a field, run through the contact, turn around, catch
1:57:01
Speaker 1: in the sunlight, has to find the ball, turns around,
1:57:04
Speaker 1: makes it just look at the fluidity too, like as
1:57:06
Speaker 1: he makes the catch, like just a seamless catch. Get
1:57:09
Speaker 1: up field, jump over it. So stupid. This one a
1:57:16
Speaker 1: little bit of the athleticism and speed, but also some
1:57:20
Speaker 1: of the physicality. Rips through that edge, runs a drag route,
1:57:25
Speaker 1: runs away from a corner, gets upfield, tries to hurt
1:57:30
Speaker 1: a little.
1:57:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, he knows everyone's going low on him because he's
1:57:34
Speaker 3: so big.
1:57:35
Speaker 1: And this one's a good example too rip right through
1:57:38
Speaker 1: bank speed, the separation, the athleticism, the awareness, just a
1:57:44
Speaker 1: different different type of dude. It's just a different it's
1:57:48
Speaker 1: just a different type of guy. But let's watch him
1:57:51
Speaker 1: as a blocker, right, you might thinking, okay, cool, like
1:57:53
Speaker 1: what does he do as a run blocker versus a
1:57:55
Speaker 1: pass protector? This is him. This is from two years
1:57:59
Speaker 1: of no I don't remember, but against see this is
1:58:03
Speaker 1: the difference now with big difference. Like I don't think
1:58:05
Speaker 1: he's an amazing blocker. He's not George Kittle, but he's
1:58:08
Speaker 1: much more functional and much more of a plus blocker
1:58:10
Speaker 1: than Kincaid. And I think this is what really separates
1:58:13
Speaker 1: them a lot. Like watch him block Gregory and just
1:58:18
Speaker 1: steal him inside. Yeah, like that's so nice. Bang the
1:58:24
Speaker 1: hands in the body position, turns them get just get
1:58:27
Speaker 1: in between. Just get in between your the defender and
1:58:29
Speaker 1: the ball. That's it. And that's all he does. Gets
1:58:31
Speaker 1: the hands, a little bit of the contact, turns him inside,
1:58:35
Speaker 1: moves his feet with his hands, keep turning.
1:58:37
Speaker 3: It's so much more connected, Like, yes, this entire process
1:58:41
Speaker 3: of blocking is so much more connected than Kincaid's. You
1:58:45
Speaker 3: can see from a technical standpoint, he's generating force from
1:58:49
Speaker 3: the ground with a really strong wide base.
1:58:52
Speaker 1: Yes, and then James Connor, James Connor is super underrated.
1:58:56
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of point that out. I
1:58:57
Speaker 1: really like this design. We get like we're getting the
1:58:59
Speaker 1: blast motion and this is going to go out to
1:59:02
Speaker 1: the right and he slams on the brakes and it
1:59:05
Speaker 1: turns into split zone and watch him I d Jonathan
1:59:10
Speaker 1: Grenard and bank.
1:59:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly feel I feel like they need to
1:59:18
Speaker 3: use kincaid in this way more because it's kind of
1:59:20
Speaker 3: a cheap block, right, Like it's it's a really easy
1:59:23
Speaker 3: way to make.
1:59:24
Speaker 1: A hard block goood edge. Grenard comes screaming down, take
1:59:28
Speaker 1: advantage of it. Yeah, I like this. I like this
1:59:31
Speaker 1: design more than anything like the last motions, Like especially
1:59:35
Speaker 1: with what they do with all their gap scheme stuff.
1:59:36
Speaker 1: You're thinking that's going to the right and he slams
1:59:38
Speaker 1: on the brakes, cuts backside a little split zone. Bank
1:59:43
Speaker 1: another one against UH Minnesota. Just what he can do
1:59:48
Speaker 1: on the double team. M hm, big mountain of a
1:59:52
Speaker 1: man here, defensive tackle. Again, this isn't all him, but
1:59:54
Speaker 1: watch some of the displacement. Watch how low he gets
1:59:57
Speaker 1: gets into that shoulder helps drive, create some displacement, and
2:00:02
Speaker 1: then climbs to his man. But the run develops so
2:00:06
Speaker 1: he doesn't get to his man. But you see a
2:00:07
Speaker 1: little bit again assemblance, more of that physicality at the
2:00:09
Speaker 1: point of attack, what he's able to do, a little
2:00:11
Speaker 1: bit create some more drive. This one here against the Rams,
2:00:18
Speaker 1: this is him getting beat a little bit, right. I
2:00:20
Speaker 1: watched multiple games of tight ends against the Rams front
2:00:25
Speaker 1: because they have such good edges, and I've come to
2:00:26
Speaker 1: the conclusion that Jared Verse and and Byron Younger just
2:00:30
Speaker 1: absolute monsters. Like this isn't even Verse. Yeah, it's like
2:00:36
Speaker 1: and you see McBride get initial like okay, yeah, okay,
2:00:41
Speaker 1: I'm all right. Nope, I'm stood up. Uhh uhh uhh
2:00:45
Speaker 1: uh oh. So even again, like he just gets driven
2:00:47
Speaker 1: through and then young makes the play. So again, this
2:00:50
Speaker 1: one I'm talking about, Like, he's not George Kittle, He's
2:00:52
Speaker 1: not some guy who's just a racing edges and winning
2:00:55
Speaker 1: in the run all the time. But even this is decent.
2:00:58
Speaker 1: It's not an immediate loss. Yeah, you're not getting owned.
2:01:01
Speaker 1: You're just getting driven back a little bit and compressed
2:01:03
Speaker 1: a bit.
2:01:03
Speaker 3: If this run were to cut right, you don't even
2:01:06
Speaker 3: care about what happened McBride on display.
2:01:08
Speaker 1: Correct because they're running. Let's see here we are going.
2:01:13
Speaker 1: We got the jet motion going that way, a bit
2:01:16
Speaker 1: of that split zone type of Look here, as that
2:01:18
Speaker 1: comes across, You're like thinking, this is going there. Theoretically,
2:01:21
Speaker 1: could one cut to the right, Yeah, but Monterrek Brown
2:01:24
Speaker 1: blows it up, and so Connor's like, oh, let me
2:01:26
Speaker 1: go this way. The RAMS tape is awesome to watch.
2:01:30
Speaker 1: Another one here, this one against the Chargers. Good edge play,
2:01:33
Speaker 1: a little faint and you know, hold on Khalil Mack
2:01:39
Speaker 1: there like psych, I'm gonna block you, just kidding. Let
2:01:41
Speaker 1: me climb to the second level. Watch him stay attached,
2:01:42
Speaker 1: watch him drive. Doesn't want to draw the hold, so
2:01:45
Speaker 1: he lets go. He's got the size advantage against Denzel Perriman,
2:01:48
Speaker 1: the linebacker that he's blocking. But see him get to
2:01:51
Speaker 1: the second level, get attached, move his feet, let's go
2:01:55
Speaker 1: when he needs to. Not amazing, but serviceable, functionable. Here's
2:02:01
Speaker 1: one where he struggles a little bit right, Let's climb
2:02:03
Speaker 1: to the second level. Let's make a block. I get
2:02:06
Speaker 1: a little too ass over tea kettle. Yeah, a little.
2:02:09
Speaker 3: Uh, little head, buddy, there.
2:02:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, leads with this head a little too much climbing.
2:02:16
Speaker 1: And it's a shame too because the approach isn't bad.
2:02:18
Speaker 3: Why base, he's ready, good position. I don't know why
2:02:21
Speaker 3: he just led with his head.
2:02:23
Speaker 1: But again putting this out there for like folks who
2:02:25
Speaker 1: see this and think like, oh, he can't do what
2:02:28
Speaker 1: these other guys do. Like these guys still have like
2:02:31
Speaker 1: some ugly areas to their game. And this is a
2:02:34
Speaker 1: Titan who I'd love and try. McBride, nice one here
2:02:39
Speaker 1: to go down the line. Watch him meet tell Us boom.
2:02:45
Speaker 1: See he's got a little more hammer to his game.
2:02:47
Speaker 1: You see a little more meet him. Stale made them
2:02:51
Speaker 1: stayed too, Mattellus is trying to play through him a
2:02:54
Speaker 1: little bit in case that run leaks out and it's
2:02:57
Speaker 1: just not happening with McBride. Yeah, this one here a
2:03:03
Speaker 1: little double team action on Braden Fisk. See them move him,
2:03:11
Speaker 1: stay on him and then try and get to the
2:03:12
Speaker 1: second level. Try to get.
2:03:15
Speaker 3: It's very clear like if from from the blocking and
2:03:19
Speaker 3: the receiving of McBride, Like sure, McBride might lose a
2:03:22
Speaker 3: step a little bit on Kinkaid when it comes to
2:03:26
Speaker 3: route savviness and separation skills, maybe release off the line
2:03:31
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, but it's not enough like what he has
2:03:37
Speaker 3: on Kincaid as a blocker. It's the value almost equals
2:03:41
Speaker 3: out And honestly, it might even be greater for McBride
2:03:45
Speaker 3: because of what it means to his offense and his scheme.
2:03:48
Speaker 1: I think because he.
2:03:49
Speaker 3: Can do more because of how well rounded he is. Like, sure,
2:03:54
Speaker 3: you can't split him out wide the way you can't
2:03:56
Speaker 3: with Kinkaid, and that might take some plays off your menu.
2:04:00
Speaker 3: Kinkaid's doing the same thing in the blocking ass different ways,
2:04:04
Speaker 3: taking place the menu in a different way.
2:04:06
Speaker 1: I think like for me, like Kinkaid on a scale
2:04:09
Speaker 1: at one to ten, as a receiver is like an
2:04:11
Speaker 1: eight and a half or a nine, I think McBride
2:04:15
Speaker 1: is like an eight to an eight and a half.
2:04:18
Speaker 3: The athleticism I was gonna say, I was gonna say
2:04:20
Speaker 3: more like a seven and a half.
2:04:22
Speaker 1: Honestly, I love I just think McBride is he's such
2:04:26
Speaker 1: a better route runner that he gets credit for in
2:04:27
Speaker 1: his feel for zone and spaces. See that's my that's
2:04:31
Speaker 1: my thing with him.
2:04:32
Speaker 3: I think it's it's more of a feel for zone
2:04:35
Speaker 3: than it is the pure route running like for sure.
2:04:39
Speaker 1: But then he's also and what he does after the
2:04:41
Speaker 1: catch is just I also think he's a better blocker
2:04:44
Speaker 1: for like, so I feel like if you add up
2:04:47
Speaker 1: the running the run blocking in the past aspect on
2:04:50
Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, I feel like it
2:04:51
Speaker 1: advocates exactly. I feel like he's like a fifteen and
2:04:54
Speaker 1: Kinkaid's like a thirteen. Yep, yep, right now, it's looking
2:04:58
Speaker 1: some Sam Laporta, who had one of the best offensive
2:05:01
Speaker 1: minds designing things for him at Detroit. One of my
2:05:05
Speaker 1: biggest gripes the past year was, like, man, I really
2:05:07
Speaker 1: thought Brady would tap into some of the Ben Johnson
2:05:10
Speaker 1: tight end stuff, especially as they went more condensed and
2:05:12
Speaker 1: more run focused like the Lions have been. But here's
2:05:15
Speaker 1: Sam Laporta. This route is awesome up sell in the
2:05:21
Speaker 1: corner psych just completely and again it's tied to the
2:05:25
Speaker 1: play action.
2:05:25
Speaker 3: But how he the way they use him deep like
2:05:28
Speaker 3: it's so different from most tight ends.
2:05:31
Speaker 1: Yes, again, good, that's an excellent point, like because he
2:05:34
Speaker 1: gets compared to Laporta so much, but their usage is
2:05:38
Speaker 1: so much different. The style of offense there in is
2:05:40
Speaker 1: so much different. Yeah, And I say that as a
2:05:43
Speaker 1: person who had Laporta ahead of Dalton Kincaid in my
2:05:46
Speaker 1: draft rankings, and I would still take Laporta ahead of
2:05:48
Speaker 1: Kincaid right now. But I like that route, like sell it,
2:05:51
Speaker 1: get that safety to open up, like he see he
2:05:54
Speaker 1: times it as soon as he sees Grant really laterally
2:05:59
Speaker 1: bang it's over. But again it's tied to design and
2:06:03
Speaker 1: a little bit of the porter that is designed for
2:06:05
Speaker 1: la Porta, like, yeah, the whole way African kid, this
2:06:09
Speaker 1: is a really nice one. Him lined up as that
2:06:11
Speaker 1: quasi X working through a linebacker. I'm gonna show how
2:06:17
Speaker 1: this route develops, really because I just want to show
2:06:18
Speaker 1: the end zone angle, full extension on the catch. Yeah,
2:06:23
Speaker 1: play through the contact again, not as technically sound like
2:06:27
Speaker 1: he gets the arm over a little bit, when he
2:06:29
Speaker 1: really just plays through more physically than he does from
2:06:31
Speaker 1: a technique standpoint, I.
2:06:34
Speaker 3: Mean the receiver skills that he always possessed and then
2:06:37
Speaker 3: going to Iowa helped him so much. Yes, really well
2:06:41
Speaker 3: rounded his game. He was always as receiver.
2:06:45
Speaker 1: Just look at that. That's so pretty. Not again, but
2:06:51
Speaker 1: not the separation, not the level necessarily of athleticism, but
2:06:54
Speaker 1: the physicality and the hands allow him to have that
2:06:57
Speaker 1: success there. That's actually decent coverage. Two there, Oh yeah,
2:07:01
Speaker 1: but sain't enough this one. I like this again, some Laporta,
2:07:05
Speaker 1: some design. Let's send him on the motion. He's gonna
2:07:11
Speaker 1: throttle down still on that right side. Watch him get
2:07:15
Speaker 1: vertical and get into the body of Jalen Johnson and
2:07:19
Speaker 1: then snaps it off and creates separation against the premier corner. Nice,
2:07:26
Speaker 1: but again that's that's some Laporta. That's some Ben Johnson.
2:07:29
Speaker 1: Get him in motion. Look a look at what Jalen
2:07:32
Speaker 1: Johnson does. Number one on the far right of the screen.
2:07:34
Speaker 1: He is almost leaving our screen because he thinks Laporta
2:07:36
Speaker 1: is gonna keep going. So Ben Johnson created some leverage
2:07:39
Speaker 1: and some space for him, and Laporta takes advantage and
2:07:41
Speaker 1: does the rest. So this is some design, some Laporta.
2:07:46
Speaker 1: Again a difference between what the bills. The Bills don't
2:07:49
Speaker 1: do this kind of stuff, but again it don't necessarily
2:07:51
Speaker 1: have to because they get inside the five and they're like,
2:07:53
Speaker 1: all right, cool, Josh, do you want to get it
2:07:55
Speaker 1: in or do you want to give it to one
2:07:56
Speaker 1: of the running backs? Okay, you're gonna run it in,
2:07:58
Speaker 1: got it? Another one here against the Packers. A little
2:08:03
Speaker 1: inbreaker catch through contact. Golf throws this ball away a
2:08:09
Speaker 1: lot of trust right throws it away from Kway. Walker
2:08:12
Speaker 1: doesn't want to lead Laporta into all this mess throw
2:08:15
Speaker 1: he throws it away. But look at the athleticism to
2:08:18
Speaker 1: reach that plays through a bang snatches it nice. This
2:08:26
Speaker 1: is from Laporta's rookie year. He's against Rasul Douglas. Here
2:08:29
Speaker 1: Bill's legend. Nice little arm over on the hands. This
2:08:34
Speaker 1: again after the catch difference, not a ton of separation.
2:08:36
Speaker 1: Golf puts it on him, but then break the cackle,
2:08:39
Speaker 1: stiff arm carry a man a little bit again, different
2:08:43
Speaker 1: type of player. I want to see these because I
2:08:48
Speaker 1: think too much we players get compared to other players
2:08:50
Speaker 1: and we don't take into account the scheme or the
2:08:52
Speaker 1: usage or the style of player that they are. And
2:08:54
Speaker 1: you could value it, you know, more one than the other.
2:08:56
Speaker 1: But we saw how Kincaid wins. This is how the
2:08:59
Speaker 1: Porta wins between a combination of scheme and his ability.
2:09:02
Speaker 1: This is another really good scheme, schemed up one. There's
2:09:05
Speaker 1: Laporta going in the motion. I like this. This is
2:09:08
Speaker 1: from two years ago. Watch how Josh Reynolds drains the coverage.
2:09:16
Speaker 1: I'm on ra sits here to Mario Davis nails down
2:09:20
Speaker 1: on him and watch all the space that this creates.
2:09:23
Speaker 3: Oh I remember this, yeah, I remember that one.
2:09:26
Speaker 1: Clean into the end zone. Really nice design.
2:09:29
Speaker 3: Sneaky trail, sneaky trail design.
2:09:32
Speaker 1: Yep, a little bit of a follow a little bit,
2:09:33
Speaker 1: I feel like. And if you're playing mad and this
2:09:35
Speaker 1: is like, you know, why trail whatever, why trail?
2:09:39
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, empty y trail?
2:09:42
Speaker 1: Nice? Just nice again, design differences, right, you'd see the
2:09:48
Speaker 1: seed just part, really nice piece. Now let's show him
2:09:51
Speaker 1: as a blocker, show him as a blocker. This one
2:10:00
Speaker 1: a little bit of a wham block. You see a
2:10:05
Speaker 1: little bit of the pop here boom. It's not not
2:10:08
Speaker 1: not huge sustained driving the man, but you see that
2:10:11
Speaker 1: bang pop'am. Just drive him a little bit, pop him
2:10:14
Speaker 1: and drive him a little bit. Boom. Gives us so
2:10:20
Speaker 1: fast mm hmm.
2:10:26
Speaker 3: See that was that was good positioning to get on
2:10:28
Speaker 3: that inside shoulder early one.
2:10:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, watch that. Yep, he see that step that
2:10:35
Speaker 1: step right out of it explodes inside because he knows
2:10:38
Speaker 1: the positioning he needs to get and he's going against
2:10:40
Speaker 1: a bigger body guy who has the advantage on him.
2:10:43
Speaker 1: But he gets underneath him and again he's not driving him,
2:10:46
Speaker 1: he's not crushing him, but he's doing enough to stay
2:10:49
Speaker 1: in between him. And then he gets under him and
2:10:51
Speaker 1: is able to continue to drive him and do enough. Again,
2:10:54
Speaker 1: this run goes out the front door s ag.
2:10:55
Speaker 3: Yeah it doesn't even matter. But either way the rep
2:10:59
Speaker 3: is still if it were to be more of an
2:11:01
Speaker 3: inside rep from Gibbs, He's done a.
2:11:04
Speaker 1: Positioning, he's obstructed, he's challenged the defender. Yeah, this one
2:11:10
Speaker 1: is a win for Jared Verse. Watch the porter come
2:11:15
Speaker 1: in motion and versus just like get Away from Me. Oh,
2:11:18
Speaker 1: lots of just Barry Montgomery, but again.
2:11:22
Speaker 3: This is the show likes he's trying to be physical
2:11:25
Speaker 3: with him.
2:11:26
Speaker 1: He's just got beat And this is the first game
2:11:28
Speaker 1: of the year, like for Verse, a rookie year in
2:11:30
Speaker 1: the NFL, and he's already just like Premiere, passing people right,
2:11:35
Speaker 1: just crazy. But he gets a little bit. He's trying
2:11:38
Speaker 1: to you know, he gets square to the line and
2:11:41
Speaker 1: he's trying to be force full but ends up getting
2:11:44
Speaker 1: caught lungees. Maybe this time, just next time, be a
2:11:47
Speaker 1: little more safe, just try And.
2:11:50
Speaker 3: It's hard to say he did much wrong here, right,
2:11:53
Speaker 3: Like it's just a great play by a really good
2:11:55
Speaker 3: play but again the idea.
2:11:56
Speaker 1: Sometimes things happen. I think he's a better blocker than Kincaid,
2:12:01
Speaker 1: but things can still happen. This is him at fullback.
2:12:04
Speaker 1: Nice little usage for him here. Watch him get backside.
2:12:09
Speaker 1: And this is him against Young, so again this is
2:12:13
Speaker 1: good exactly. That's what I wanted to show with like
2:12:15
Speaker 1: his because he's got more of a stockier, dense frame.
2:12:19
Speaker 1: Look at the difference when he meets Young head on
2:12:20
Speaker 1: head boom. He doesn't get knocked back. He doesn't get
2:12:23
Speaker 1: blown back again, he doesn't he all he has to
2:12:25
Speaker 1: do is obstruct because of where this run is probably
2:12:27
Speaker 1: gonna go. It wanted to hit up inside. Montgomery bounces it,
2:12:30
Speaker 1: but you don't see him get chucked out of the club.
2:12:32
Speaker 1: He gets low.
2:12:33
Speaker 3: He makes was never gonna make that play if that
2:12:35
Speaker 3: run went inside. No, Yeah, it's good. Sustain, good anchor.
2:12:44
Speaker 3: That's again against Hoyt, right, Yes.
2:12:46
Speaker 1: It is good. Pull gets in again the effort. Battle
2:12:52
Speaker 1: gets a little help from forty three, who bangs into
2:12:54
Speaker 1: Hoyt a little bit. But you see that ability to
2:12:56
Speaker 1: kind of battle with actual defensive linemen to not get
2:12:59
Speaker 1: completely rest right away, like tends to happen a little
2:13:03
Speaker 1: bit more to Dalton Kinkaid, right, mm hmm. There's a
2:13:09
Speaker 1: reporter here, look at nice lean leverage, but gets driven
2:13:14
Speaker 1: inside and then man ends up making a play.
2:13:17
Speaker 3: M So I was gonna say, look good off the snap, but.
2:13:21
Speaker 1: Then he's just saying has the ability to battle, can
2:13:24
Speaker 1: win some reps against the edges, but also a bit
2:13:26
Speaker 1: inconsistent again, so that's not like he. I think he
2:13:29
Speaker 1: gets built a little bit like George Kittle light at times,
2:13:32
Speaker 1: which now maybe accurate depending on how light you view it,
2:13:36
Speaker 1: but yeah, you see him kind of just get driven
2:13:38
Speaker 1: back by somewhat of a smaller edge for the bears there.
2:13:41
Speaker 1: This one I really like. This is from two years ago,
2:13:45
Speaker 1: a little bit of like that blast motion into the block.
2:13:49
Speaker 1: Watch how he helps widen the hole with the physicality bang.
2:13:52
Speaker 1: I like that one.
2:13:54
Speaker 3: Like.
2:13:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if kin Kaid has that level of
2:13:56
Speaker 1: physicality plus form to execute something like that, but I
2:13:58
Speaker 1: like this again, different usage, different skill sets, different usage,
2:14:05
Speaker 1: different skill sets. Him going up against fifty four again,
2:14:10
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm lying, I'm an idiot. This is incorrect.
2:14:14
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, why does he look
2:14:15
Speaker 1: so different? This is watch hi mountain space. I like
2:14:21
Speaker 1: the contact here and drive a little bit of pop. Yeah,
2:14:24
Speaker 1: driving man against an actual linebacker who likes to be
2:14:27
Speaker 1: I remember forty one from the preseason and his hair
2:14:29
Speaker 1: and him just looking like a thicker Troy Palamalu if there.
2:14:32
Speaker 3: I was gonna say hard not to remember him.
2:14:34
Speaker 1: Right, This is him against UH fifty four initially, but
2:14:40
Speaker 1: then what do we get a little bit of that
2:14:42
Speaker 1: similar arc type of deal. Let's bark that edge. Let's
2:14:46
Speaker 1: get to the second level. Then watch the contact as
2:14:48
Speaker 1: he gets into his man and watch him drive him
2:14:51
Speaker 1: down field, drive him.
2:14:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good rep.
2:15:07
Speaker 1: Okay. And last one here, this is him against fifty
2:15:10
Speaker 1: five against or not lined up initially against fifty five.
2:15:13
Speaker 1: But what you get a little bit from him from
2:15:14
Speaker 1: a split zone perspective. Not the cleanest, but catch the
2:15:20
Speaker 1: job done, gets the job done. That's it again, that's
2:15:23
Speaker 1: so much of it, right, Make it muddy, make it messy, obstruct,
2:15:25
Speaker 1: do something like that. That can be.
2:15:27
Speaker 3: Fine, right, So what about you do you do? You
2:15:32
Speaker 3: see Laporta as the in between version of Kincaid and McBride. Yes,
2:15:40
Speaker 3: I think that spectrum of blocking if.
2:15:43
Speaker 1: I'm I think if we're going on the spectrum, we're
2:15:46
Speaker 1: gonna get into Bowers here in a minute. I think
2:15:48
Speaker 1: Kinkaid is the worst blocker out of all four, but
2:15:51
Speaker 1: I think it goes Kincaid like Kinkaid is here. I
2:15:55
Speaker 1: think Bowers is like here. Then I think Laporta is
2:15:59
Speaker 1: like here, and then I think McBride is like a
2:16:02
Speaker 1: little bit up here, like.
2:16:03
Speaker 3: I think, And you could do an in and you
2:16:05
Speaker 3: could probably do an inverse list of receiving just perfectly
2:16:09
Speaker 3: as well. And they just happened to coincide.
2:16:12
Speaker 1: I don't know. Bowers is pretty interest Bowers, sorry interesting
2:16:16
Speaker 1: for me.
2:16:16
Speaker 3: Let's yeah, let's take Bowers out of it. Just with
2:16:19
Speaker 3: those three, you could do an inverse list.
2:16:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably probably do Kincaid and then McBride and
2:16:26
Speaker 1: then like Laporta. Yeah, it's kind of interesting how that works.
2:16:29
Speaker 1: Scheme matters a lot for Laporta. But there's some of
2:16:32
Speaker 1: the Bowers receiving stuff, like so this is obviously brock.
2:16:34
Speaker 1: Bowers would do the pass catching stuff first, and I
2:16:36
Speaker 1: know we've gone super long, and then we'll get out
2:16:38
Speaker 1: of here. Watch him cook Jordan Brooks, who's like a
2:16:40
Speaker 1: good linebacker from a cover standpoint. Watch the snap and
2:16:45
Speaker 1: the juice on this Slanto get some leaning yeah, Bank
2:16:54
Speaker 1: leaves them standing still. Bank really good foot work yep,
2:16:58
Speaker 1: and then lowers the sh older to get through the
2:17:02
Speaker 1: next linebacker. Boom. He plays this like like he's playing basketball. Oh,
2:17:08
Speaker 1: it's so pretty. Juice to that game, which I like.
2:17:11
Speaker 1: This is him as the number two in the trips
2:17:15
Speaker 1: Brunch Brunch Bunch. This is Trent McDuffie, all pro corner
2:17:23
Speaker 1: cool like the the the foot fire bang bang, and
2:17:29
Speaker 1: then look like he gets mcduffey in the hands and
2:17:32
Speaker 1: then he's got the juice to run by him. But
2:17:36
Speaker 1: mcduffy gets back in face because McDuffie's super good now,
2:17:39
Speaker 1: but Bowers is cool with that. You can get into
2:17:40
Speaker 1: my body because I've got the size and the physicality.
2:17:42
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna hold my arm, that's fine. Here comes
2:17:44
Speaker 1: a one hand to catch ridiculous.
2:17:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a crazy combination.
2:17:53
Speaker 1: Right nuts and he draws the flag. It still made
2:17:58
Speaker 1: that catch. The athleticism overall coming through. But then he's
2:18:04
Speaker 1: got some technique stuff too. Here's him in line here,
2:18:11
Speaker 1: watch him release, get around the edge. Now there's Trimari
2:18:14
Speaker 1: Connor number twenty seven on him. Watch he gets a
2:18:17
Speaker 1: little bit of collision with Bolton. Watches Connor gets into
2:18:20
Speaker 1: his body. Watch how he disconnects with the outside arm.
2:18:28
Speaker 1: Go and rewind it a little bit. Watch him use
2:18:30
Speaker 1: that outside arm comes right here. Watch him chop down
2:18:33
Speaker 1: on the left arm of Connor. Bang right there, chops him.
2:18:37
Speaker 1: Now Connor's body has turned a little bit and he
2:18:40
Speaker 1: uses that to create the separation as he plays right
2:18:44
Speaker 1: through it. And then look at the separation it creates
2:18:47
Speaker 1: that he's got the athleticism tracks touchdown, but some technicality
2:18:52
Speaker 1: and again literally just bang. But it's that quick little punch.
2:18:57
Speaker 1: It's into the body, quick.
2:18:59
Speaker 3: Punch and the physicality of Connor off of him.
2:19:03
Speaker 1: He's the most similar to Kinkave. From a usage standpoint,
2:19:09
Speaker 1: twenty six point four percent of his snaps came in line. Again,
2:19:13
Speaker 1: Kinkaid was twenty six point eight. A lot of that
2:19:16
Speaker 1: is because he plays with Michael Mayer tight end from
2:19:19
Speaker 1: Notre Dame The Raiders took the year before. Mayer is
2:19:21
Speaker 1: also a pretty good overall tight end, but he's more
2:19:24
Speaker 1: run blocking than Bowers this, so they use him as
2:19:26
Speaker 1: the why. Again. I think he blocks better than Kinkay,
2:19:30
Speaker 1: but because they have Mayor, he ends up just being
2:19:32
Speaker 1: the why.
2:19:34
Speaker 3: Uh.
2:19:34
Speaker 1: Mayor ends up being the why more often than not.
2:19:36
Speaker 1: Here's more usage. Send him in the motion psych it's
2:19:39
Speaker 1: return one on one with a corner, just in breaker
2:19:43
Speaker 1: in a casual one handed catch. M just I also
2:19:47
Speaker 1: love Jacoby Meyers number sixteen right here. Watch how watch
2:19:52
Speaker 1: his little skip after Bowers makes the catch because it
2:19:56
Speaker 1: gets him like excited a little bit. He's like, oh,
2:20:00
Speaker 1: stip into a little head now there, little head bump,
2:20:02
Speaker 1: Like that's funny again. Guys who ten do some outside
2:20:05
Speaker 1: stuff not but not the level of separation, not necessarily
2:20:10
Speaker 1: his fluid of an athlete. But he's got more size
2:20:13
Speaker 1: to him, more physicality and addition to athleticism, different type
2:20:17
Speaker 1: of winning, a little bit of a more technical aspect here, bunch,
2:20:21
Speaker 1: he's the number one to the trips bunch this time.
2:20:24
Speaker 1: Watch him just cook Witherspoon on this little whip route
2:20:31
Speaker 1: and then pop back outside. Yeah.
2:20:35
Speaker 3: As much as there's like a fluidity to Bauer's game,
2:20:40
Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't match Kincaid but there's a technicality
2:20:43
Speaker 3: to it that feels a little bit more superior.
2:20:48
Speaker 1: And again he's only a one year sample size, so
2:20:50
Speaker 1: we still don't like mc McBride has three years, Laporta
2:20:53
Speaker 1: has two. Kincaid as too. This is rookie year Bowers
2:20:57
Speaker 1: not great QB play a lot of craziness that uh
2:21:00
Speaker 1: for the Raiders. This is him just I like the
2:21:03
Speaker 1: way he slams on the breaks here and shakes Thompson.
2:21:06
Speaker 1: That's nice. Kin k doesn't have that m.
2:21:11
Speaker 3: He has athleticism, but not necessarily like the fluidity.
2:21:15
Speaker 1: That King Kid has. It's it's hard.
2:21:17
Speaker 3: To describe because he moves a little bit more sudden.
2:21:21
Speaker 1: Yes, he's got more like sharpness and like change direction
2:21:25
Speaker 1: to his game, whereas Kinkaid is more fluid. Like this
2:21:27
Speaker 1: play right here. Bowers can make this out of the
2:21:30
Speaker 1: guys we looked at. Bowers can make this, McBride can
2:21:32
Speaker 1: make this. I don't think Kinkaid can. Laporta maybe could. Yeah, again,
2:21:41
Speaker 1: just another element to bowers game. I like that cut,
2:21:45
Speaker 1: like that's what that looks like? A colial security type
2:21:47
Speaker 1: of cut, like a running back, which, yeah, exactly. And
2:21:51
Speaker 1: then last piece here, this is him as a blocker.
2:21:55
Speaker 1: Watch him get up on Delpit and drive him out,
2:22:02
Speaker 1: stay connected, drive him downfield. Yeah real nice, get on
2:22:06
Speaker 1: your man and you see Delpitz going forward and he
2:22:09
Speaker 1: gets put hordes on. H No, it doesn't. Yeah, and
2:22:11
Speaker 1: Delpit's hitting him in the face, knocking his head back.
2:22:14
Speaker 3: Bowers, you can get a little bit of help from
2:22:16
Speaker 3: another defender there, didn't even really, don't get any ground on.
2:22:19
Speaker 1: It didn't change anything. If anything, it knocked thirty backwards. Yeah,
2:22:23
Speaker 1: thirty comes right here. Oh nope, he gets hit off
2:22:29
Speaker 1: this one. Nice little split zone run. Watch him just
2:22:32
Speaker 1: take the legs out from Miles Garrett Boom.
2:22:40
Speaker 3: So you don't thinking Kaid has the force to execute
2:22:43
Speaker 3: a split zone block.
2:22:45
Speaker 1: I don't know. I genuinely have a question with I
2:22:48
Speaker 1: think he could do enough to obstruct. I don't know
2:22:50
Speaker 1: if he's going to take guy's legs out and chop
2:22:51
Speaker 1: him down like this. I don't know if he has
2:22:53
Speaker 1: the density to the frame.
2:22:55
Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with that that part of it,
2:22:57
Speaker 3: but I feel like that's a it's an easy to
2:23:01
Speaker 3: win block. Yes, I think you'll lose that rep as
2:23:05
Speaker 3: as tight.
2:23:05
Speaker 1: End instead of coming here like this and taking him
2:23:07
Speaker 1: out at the knees. I think you could kind of
2:23:09
Speaker 1: go here and do more like this, so at worst
2:23:11
Speaker 1: it makes him pause or have to go this way,
2:23:14
Speaker 1: and they still get in the same job done.
2:23:17
Speaker 3: Like I honestly as a blocker, think they should use
2:23:19
Speaker 3: Kinkaid more like that because he has the athleticism to
2:23:22
Speaker 3: get out there.
2:23:24
Speaker 1: And you could literally do this, like have him hipped
2:23:26
Speaker 1: off like that and then cut.
2:23:27
Speaker 3: Back and then it allows you to do other things
2:23:29
Speaker 3: in the past game off from that, Yes, formation.
2:23:34
Speaker 1: Some more attaching and driving from Bowers there again against
2:23:37
Speaker 1: a smaller defender dB, but you see more of that
2:23:39
Speaker 1: attached loses them as things get but the drive still
2:23:45
Speaker 1: tenacity to drive. The connection stays. Now this is where
2:23:49
Speaker 1: you start to see some struggles a little bit. This
2:23:52
Speaker 1: is him against Ellis rookie from LSU LSU Utah. So
2:23:58
Speaker 1: this is rookie on rookie. Watch him get gets caught
2:24:01
Speaker 1: a little high. Timing isn't there, the body position isn't there.
2:24:04
Speaker 1: It gets compressed, but again does enough to try and like,
2:24:10
Speaker 1: can you obstruct enough? There's reps where you're gonna lose.
2:24:12
Speaker 1: The timing isn't there. What can you do? Can you
2:24:14
Speaker 1: try and anchor. He gets a little right there a
2:24:17
Speaker 1: little bit, but still gets compressed. Guy helps make the play.
2:24:22
Speaker 1: But again, Rookie, this is I like, this is a
2:24:25
Speaker 1: play I can see Kincaid making yeah, or this happening
2:24:28
Speaker 1: to Kincaid, I should say yeah. But once again, tight
2:24:32
Speaker 1: end on an edge not a correct now here he
2:24:36
Speaker 1: is on another edge run defending leaning type of edge
2:24:38
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Cooper. Watch Cooper just get him with this
2:24:41
Speaker 1: long arm and just compress the hell out of them. Yeah,
2:24:46
Speaker 1: Bowers tries to turn him a little bit, but that
2:24:48
Speaker 1: long nasty. That long arm is nasty.
2:24:51
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what would separate tight ends from other
2:24:53
Speaker 3: tight ends, is how you can handle these edge rushers exactly.
2:24:58
Speaker 1: And this is why. Again he's more in line here,
2:25:02
Speaker 1: So Mayor was out for this game, So what are
2:25:05
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Like this would normally beat that Michael
2:25:08
Speaker 1: Mayer type of role. Here he's probably in line, but
2:25:10
Speaker 1: you're still trying to get it done with Bowers. He
2:25:12
Speaker 1: just gets driven back and the hand placement isn't even bad, right,
2:25:14
Speaker 1: like no gets the hands inside.
2:25:16
Speaker 3: But Cooper, I was gonna say that, Yeah, the technique
2:25:19
Speaker 3: feels like it's a very connected generating force from the ground.
2:25:24
Speaker 1: Good pad level.
2:25:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah he just kind of yeah it gets
2:25:27
Speaker 3: beat and again.
2:25:28
Speaker 1: That's a tough block for any defensive end and actual physicality,
2:25:34
Speaker 1: especially one that leans run defense like Cooper, who's worth
2:25:37
Speaker 1: assault as a run defender, Like he's gonna try and
2:25:40
Speaker 1: beat your tight ends up. Yeah, here's one. I like
2:25:43
Speaker 1: this one. This is too juxtaple. This is back to
2:25:45
Speaker 1: back place for the Ravens. I like the first time
2:25:47
Speaker 1: on this one. Send him in motion. Watch him goal
2:25:50
Speaker 1: up against Malie Harrison. Bank gets driven back right, tries
2:25:54
Speaker 1: to meet him with force on force, Boom gets knocked back,
2:25:58
Speaker 1: kind of gums the play up. Little bit gets knocked
2:26:01
Speaker 1: back into the pulling guard, messes things up. The next play,
2:26:05
Speaker 1: same thing going the other way. Also again against Malik Harrison.
2:26:10
Speaker 1: Watch him gear down and this time body is right.
2:26:14
Speaker 1: Nice turn. Yeah, I'm not gonna go shoulder to shoulder
2:26:17
Speaker 1: with him. He banged the hell out of me last time.
2:26:19
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna Yeah. I like the way he throttles down.
2:26:23
Speaker 1: This is what I would like to see. Yes, this
2:26:25
Speaker 1: is what I want to see more of from Dalton
2:26:26
Speaker 1: kin Kate. I don't think he's gonna be this people
2:26:29
Speaker 1: mover hammer No, no, just get the body position. Yeah, bang,
2:26:34
Speaker 1: nice leverage. Both guys are low hat on a hat.
2:26:37
Speaker 1: Literally turn your body in sync with the hands. Boom.
2:26:41
Speaker 1: Just shield, that's it. Just be a shepherd. Just shield.
2:26:44
Speaker 3: You're right though, because all it takes is half a second,
2:26:47
Speaker 3: one second and you've won your block.
2:26:50
Speaker 1: Literally, I mean, given the this the scheme of the play,
2:26:54
Speaker 1: Like look at this, he makes contact at the bottom
2:26:56
Speaker 1: right here. It's one twenty four to seventy. So at
2:27:02
Speaker 1: one twenty five, yeah, fifty four, he's already through, so
2:27:06
Speaker 1: not even a full second later. You just need to hold.
2:27:08
Speaker 1: So hold that block for a second. That's all you
2:27:09
Speaker 1: gotta do. Most plays last like two and a half
2:27:11
Speaker 1: to three seconds anyway. Just that's it. All you gotta
2:27:13
Speaker 1: do is hold it just enough. That's why again, why
2:27:18
Speaker 1: I think Boers is ahead of Kincaid there, because he's
2:27:24
Speaker 1: got the feel for the body positioning and more physicality
2:27:27
Speaker 1: to him.
2:27:27
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think body type helps him as well
2:27:31
Speaker 3: as all of these guys, maybe outside of well, I
2:27:34
Speaker 3: guess Laporta, but the closest comp in terms of a
2:27:37
Speaker 3: body would be Laporta. They're probably both similarly like Lnky
2:27:43
Speaker 3: and not so stocky in their upper and lower halves,
2:27:48
Speaker 3: but like McBride has a clear advantage to all all
2:27:51
Speaker 3: of these guys. He's a very stocky build. He's naturally
2:27:54
Speaker 3: going to be more stout as a blocker. But I
2:27:56
Speaker 3: think Bowers comes in a close second with that kind
2:27:59
Speaker 3: of body.
2:28:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again everything body type, the usage. We wanted
2:28:05
Speaker 1: to show these guys for the sake of the comparison
2:28:09
Speaker 1: piece that happens so much. I feel like so much.
2:28:12
Speaker 1: And maybe this is just unique to me, but I
2:28:14
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of times when I get Kinkaid detractors,
2:28:17
Speaker 1: it's oh. Also, James asked how many did how many
2:28:22
Speaker 1: targets to Bowers get? Yeah, k Moore, he said one
2:28:23
Speaker 1: fifty three. SIS had him at one fifty four, which
2:28:27
Speaker 1: is crazy. Most amongst tight ends. He was twenty second
2:28:32
Speaker 1: in EPA per target out of thirty six tight ends
2:28:34
Speaker 1: or at least forty targets. He was twelveth in EPA
2:28:37
Speaker 1: and sixteenth and positive play percentage. But he was their
2:28:40
Speaker 1: passing offense, especially once they treated a device. It was
2:28:42
Speaker 1: him in a little bit of Jakobe Myers. I'm interested
2:28:45
Speaker 1: to see what they do going forward. But yeah, it's
2:28:51
Speaker 1: I don't like when players get compared to others because
2:28:53
Speaker 1: it's just not apples to apples in a variety of ways,
2:28:56
Speaker 1: like the scheme that they're in, the offense that they're in,
2:28:58
Speaker 1: the surrounding talent that they have. Like again, Bowers is
2:29:01
Speaker 1: a good example, like the other tight ends on the
2:29:04
Speaker 1: team that changes his usage, the other receivers on the
2:29:07
Speaker 1: team that changes the quarterback that changes him, let alone
2:29:11
Speaker 1: like the chaos their organization was in and everything that
2:29:14
Speaker 1: was going on, Like there's it's so tough to just
2:29:17
Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, this guy has more yards than
2:29:19
Speaker 1: this guy or this guy, and that's not even taken
2:29:21
Speaker 1: into account like just targets and volume and all these pieces.
2:29:24
Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting to show, for Oh,
2:29:27
Speaker 1: this is a good apple from ka Morty. He says,
2:29:29
Speaker 1: Kinkaid and Myers accounted for are I'm assuming you mean Bowers?
2:29:34
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, thank you. He corrected it. So
2:29:36
Speaker 1: Bowers and Michael Mayer accounted for over thirty percent of
2:29:39
Speaker 1: the Raiders pass attempts and almost half the receptions. Yeah, yeah,
2:29:43
Speaker 1: that was the focal point there, and Mayor's a good defense. Yes, yeah, yeah,
2:29:46
Speaker 1: so much is, oh, well, this guy has more yards
2:29:49
Speaker 1: than this guy, or this guy has more catches than
2:29:51
Speaker 1: this guy, or touchdowns or whatever, and it's just not
2:29:54
Speaker 1: it's not apples to apples. And I think what's interesting
2:29:57
Speaker 1: with Kinkaid is what we broke down in this episode
2:30:00
Speaker 1: where his skill set leans from a strength standpoint and
2:30:02
Speaker 1: where his skill set needs some improvement in some area
2:30:05
Speaker 1: of opportunity that can be fixed, but also the schematic usage.
2:30:09
Speaker 1: And you know, some of the plays that you know
2:30:11
Speaker 1: we showed there are designed for those guys, like that
2:30:13
Speaker 1: first play we showed for Bowers, like he's purposefully that
2:30:16
Speaker 1: inside receiver because they want to match it up on
2:30:18
Speaker 1: a linebacker because they know the linebacker. But Kinkabe will
2:30:21
Speaker 1: get some of that stuff too because he can succeed
2:30:23
Speaker 1: in those type of roles. But then Bowers gets the
2:30:26
Speaker 1: huge target share out of everything else because of the
2:30:28
Speaker 1: lack of weapons and then the injury to Mayor and
2:30:30
Speaker 1: everything else going on there and how much of a
2:30:32
Speaker 1: run first team the Bills are, but then the Lions
2:30:35
Speaker 1: are also on run first team. But Ben Johnson was
2:30:37
Speaker 1: a tremendous play designer and did a great job getting
2:30:41
Speaker 1: Laporta in advantageous positions all over the field, Brady. Is
2:30:45
Speaker 1: it that he's not good at that or is it
2:30:48
Speaker 1: that he hasn't needed to because they've leaned into other
2:30:50
Speaker 1: aspects of the team and the offense that has rolled
2:30:53
Speaker 1: and they haven't had to do that. McBride different offense,
2:30:58
Speaker 1: focal point of the offense, even with Marvin Harrison Junior
2:31:00
Speaker 1: coming through. But just he, I think is so much
2:31:03
Speaker 1: of a not a unicorn. But he's got the size
2:31:07
Speaker 1: and the athleticism and the burst and the explosion and
2:31:10
Speaker 1: the physicality, like he's got more eggs and all those
2:31:13
Speaker 1: different buckets yep, that allow him to be used in
2:31:16
Speaker 1: different ways, and then you put him closer to the
2:31:19
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and allow him to just succeed in
2:31:22
Speaker 1: a multitude of ways with that power and speed. And
2:31:25
Speaker 1: it really is interesting, you know, watching how other successful
2:31:28
Speaker 1: tight ends, especially younger ones who have similar time on
2:31:31
Speaker 1: task and experience in the NFL Askincaid, how they get used,
2:31:35
Speaker 1: how they play, how it's tied to their skill sets
2:31:37
Speaker 1: and their play style, and then what it all means,
2:31:39
Speaker 1: you know, when you're comparing these guys, which is I
2:31:41
Speaker 1: think what we wanted to do in this episode.
2:31:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think we did a good job of
2:31:45
Speaker 3: kind of showing where all of these guys fall on
2:31:47
Speaker 3: the spectrum of tight end, because tight end is such
2:31:49
Speaker 3: a unique position where you do so much more than
2:31:53
Speaker 3: just one thing. They say, you're an athletic offensive lineman, right, like,
2:31:57
Speaker 3: you're learning everything in offensive lineman and learn it. And
2:32:00
Speaker 3: you're also learning everything a wide receiver would learn. So
2:32:03
Speaker 3: the spectrum for where you would fall in your skill
2:32:05
Speaker 3: set would fall can be so unique. So I think
2:32:08
Speaker 3: we did a good job of showing how Dalton Kinkaid
2:32:11
Speaker 3: is is a really unique player at a unique position,
2:32:15
Speaker 3: and sometimes that needs to be contextualized when you're talking
2:32:18
Speaker 3: about the expectations for that player, especially when you're trying
2:32:21
Speaker 3: to compare him to his peers.
2:32:23
Speaker 1: Yes, then just especially those peers like I didn't even
2:32:28
Speaker 1: go over, like la Laporta is an even bigger one, right,
2:32:30
Speaker 1: Like people always compare Kincaid and Laporta because they were
2:32:33
Speaker 1: in the same draft class class in Kaid again, twenty
2:32:37
Speaker 1: six point eight percent of the time he was in
2:32:39
Speaker 1: line in twenty twenty four, Laporta fifty point three. Yeah,
2:32:44
Speaker 1: just off of that nowhere close in usage and again
2:32:48
Speaker 1: that makes sense given their body type, their skill set,
2:32:50
Speaker 1: and the type of offense they play in. But there's
2:32:52
Speaker 1: so much that has to get taken into account with
2:32:56
Speaker 1: how they're used and how they play. And yeah, I
2:32:59
Speaker 1: am interested to see what but a healthy Dalt Kinkaid
2:33:01
Speaker 1: looks like, what year three looks like for him. I
2:33:03
Speaker 1: hope he gets used out wide even more. I don't
2:33:06
Speaker 1: want him usage is the big thing. Yes, I don't
2:33:08
Speaker 1: want him to completely go away from being used as
2:33:10
Speaker 1: an actual tight end. And I'd still like some sprinkling up,
2:33:13
Speaker 1: some inline stuff from time to time. And I would
2:33:16
Speaker 1: prefer him being more hipped off than anything. Have Knox
2:33:19
Speaker 1: be r y or Haws b or y or even
2:33:21
Speaker 1: Alec Anderson be r y and Kincaid is that f
2:33:24
Speaker 1: he is with that he is the move guy. Get
2:33:27
Speaker 1: him outside, use him as that quasi X, use him
2:33:29
Speaker 1: as that one on one guy. We showed it like
2:33:32
Speaker 1: corners are gonna have a tough time, safety is gonna
2:33:34
Speaker 1: have a tough time. Linebackers are gonna have an even
2:33:35
Speaker 1: tougher time. Use him truly as that mismatch guy from
2:33:39
Speaker 1: an alignment perspective, and just because he is the solo
2:33:42
Speaker 1: guy or he is the number one. It doesn't mean
2:33:44
Speaker 1: it has to be spread We showed it reduced formational with,
2:33:47
Speaker 1: but he's that number one. It can be reduced formational
2:33:50
Speaker 1: with in general. Or he could just be in a
2:33:51
Speaker 1: squeeze split as an individual and the trip side is
2:33:54
Speaker 1: a little bit wider and spread out. There's so many
2:33:56
Speaker 1: more options you have with him, and I think they
2:33:59
Speaker 1: can tap into that while still not losing their identity
2:34:03
Speaker 1: as a run first team and a smash mouth downhill
2:34:06
Speaker 1: at you displacement creating team on the ground, and that
2:34:10
Speaker 1: could open up Kincaid. I think that opens up the offense,
2:34:13
Speaker 1: also allows Kean Coleman to continue to develop and Breathe
2:34:16
Speaker 1: allows you to still function in Shakir. Yeah, so maybe
2:34:20
Speaker 1: we'll get him as the tip of the spirit this year.
2:34:22
Speaker 1: Any parting thoughts on Kinkaid, the bills, any of these
2:34:25
Speaker 1: other guys before we start to wind down here.
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Speaker 3: Uh final answer, Dalton Kinkaid is not a bust.
2:34:32
Speaker 1: Correct. Correct. I was very worried that people would be like,
2:34:35
Speaker 1: you think he's a bust, and I was like, nope.
2:34:37
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2:34:39
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Speaker 1: That's true. I also said earlier, just in case people didn't,
2:34:44
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2:34:46
Speaker 1: might be a spoiler, and I was like, that's true,
2:34:48
Speaker 1: that is true. Done, well done, good callback. Yeah, we
2:34:51
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2:34:54
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2:34:56
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