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The Righteous Gemstones S4 with Costume Designer, Christina Flannery · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello, welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm Spencer Williams.
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Happy Sunday. Elizabeth.
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Happy. Sunday.
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The holy day, as one would say. Yes, yes, it is the day of rest.
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Yeah, the day we almost just lay on our couches.
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Sit on our couches and watch our favorite holy show, The
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Righteous Gemstones, the most holy show out on the television
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waves. Absolutely.
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What could be holier than HBO Max?
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The righteous. Gemstones.
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Obviously. Let's get into it.
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I love this show so much, it's hilarious.
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I feel like I heard so much about it leading up to season 3
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when I interviewed our guest for the first time.
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I had the binge the first couple seasons in like a couple days
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and I deeply fell in love with the show.
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Suddenly was all I was talking about, and now here we are.
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Of course, anytime I start something, it's right before it
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ends. Yeah, because now the show has
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ended. We have seen.
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Well, I've seen the series finale.
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Yeah, I gave Elizabeth the Cliff Notes.
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He did. He did I I'm still working
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through it. There's a lot to watch right
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now. I'm still working through.
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It let's get into the Righteous Gemstones today, of course we
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are talking about the fourth and final season, but we're also
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still giving props to just the entire season yeah as a whole as
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we say goodbye one final time but.
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The series each season and each designer has just been.
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Oh, top notch. Spot on.
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A huge shout out to costume designer Sarah Trost, who did
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the first and second episode. She's become a good friend of
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mine. And I really think between these
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two costume designers, everyone who's worked on the show, it's
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been seamless from beginning to end.
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Yeah, there's never been a moment where I was like, Oh,
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well that really felt off in the second season or the 4th season.
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Like it's been phenomenal every season.
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The music, the cast, the cameos, the costumes, the production
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design. Perfect.
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Yeah, right. Perfect.
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So with that, let's kick into a summary.
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In the 4th and final season, the Gemstone children continue to
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lead the Church amidst their turbulent personal lives.
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Jesse struggles to leave a lasting legacy and keep control
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of his rebelling sons, while Judy must care for a depressed
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BJ after he is injured in a pole dancing accident.
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Having entered into a romantic relationship with Keith, Kelvin
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gains prominence after creating PRISM and LGBT friendly
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ministry. Also running for Christ's top
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Following Man, which is yeah, which is a good storyline.
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However, things spiral completely out of control for
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the Gemstone offspring when a lonely Eli enters into a
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relationship with Lori Millsap, a close friend of Amy Lee.
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Gemstone. And that is Season 4 of The
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Righteous Gemstones. This is one of those shows where
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I don't know how they come to the table and write some of
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these storylines. No, Danny McBride is like, so
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brilliant. But I don't know how one could
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sit down and write BJ having a, you know, service animal monkey
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named Doctor Watson accident that.
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Was so amazing Who? Comes up with this stuff.
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I feel like it's that poor. I feel so bad for BJ in this
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series and it's like the season start time, I was like, he has
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something for himself. He's committed like he's really
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and then just it falls apart immediately.
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BJ is a sleeper character honestly I love him ever since
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he had his breakup scene with Judy at the Outback Steakhouse
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and like season one or two something.
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Like that? Yeah.
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That's something I would do anyways.
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Let's go behind the costumes. As we said, we have creator
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Danny McBride who also plays Jesse excellent and we have
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costume designer Christina Flannery who has done seasons
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three and four of the Righteous Gemstones.
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You will know her work from Cam them that follow and she has
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some upcoming work on Christy Martin biopic with Sydney
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Sweeney it. Looks cool by the way.
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It does look cool and she has gotten Emmy nominations for
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Righteous Gemstones season 3 and I'm going to guess season 4.
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I hope so. I hope so.
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I love, I love Christina Flanery and I love her costumes.
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I mean, they kind of make the show they always have on the
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Righteous Gemstones. Oh yeah.
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And I'm glad that finally the TV can be starting to recognize
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just how over the top their costumes are at like, all times
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of the day, every episode. They're in.
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They're like so insane, but they fit so well into that world.
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Old. Yeah, it's wild.
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It is wild. That's so good.
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Well, I am excited to say that just like in our third season,
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the third season of the Righteous Gemstones, Christina
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Flannery is back to talk to us about the Righteous Gemstones.
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So after this little break, I'm gonna sit down with Christina
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and we're going to talk about, I mean, each of the gemstones, of
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course, Uncle Baby Billy, who's working on his, well, definitely
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probably my favorite character, who's working on teen just,
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yeah, about a teen Jesus. Teen Jesus Show.
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We talk about Kelvins, Step into the top, Christ Following Man
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and Prism and gosh, I mean we talked about quite a bit.
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So I'm excited for you all to hear that.
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I can't wait to listen. Yeah, so let's take a break and
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bring in Christina Flannery. Hi, I'm Dan who does all the
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magic behind the scenes. I wanted to say thank you.
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Apple Podcast. Now back to the show.
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I am beyond excited to welcome back to the podcast one of my
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good friends, someone who I just so deeply admire, costume
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designer Christina Flannery. Hey, Christina.
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Hi. It's so good to see you again.
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I've, I mean, when we talked about the Righteous Gemstones,
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what, like 1000 years ago, I just deeply fell in love this
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show and I've just been looking forward to this moment once
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again. So I'm so glad to have you back.
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The show's on fire right now. It feels like it.
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It really does. So, you know, since the last
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time we talked, as I was just saying, I really feel like the
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show's kind of really blown up. And you know, part of that is,
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of course, the costumes, but this incredible cast, it's so
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funny. Plus, you were honored with a
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Emmy nomination as well for the Righteous Gemstones, which I was
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so excited for you. I mean, what has this journey
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felt like leading up to Season 4 before we get into the costumes?
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, honestly, I will say it
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was really a shock to me to even get nominated.
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It was like, I was just my, my ACD was like, we're going to get
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nominated. We're going to get, I was just
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like, we're not going to get nominated.
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It's not happening. And then when it happened, it
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was just like ludicrous. We were losing our minds.
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We're obviously on the show when it happened.
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So we're just running through the halls of like Sears, which
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is where, you know, where the gemstones like studio is at.
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So, yeah, it was amazing. Also, while we got the Emmy
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nominations, I believe that we were shooting the telethon, so
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we were also just doing really insane stuff at the time.
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So it was really cool to have that excitement while also
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seeing like Danny, Edie and Adam like going up into the air in
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these jetpack costumes. But yeah, it's been great.
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You know, it's it was, you know, the strike was rough for me and
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everybody else, I'm sure. And I was so happy to come back
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to the next episode of Gemstones.
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And then from then I did the untitled Christy Martin movie,
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which I'm very, very excited about with Sidney Sweeney.
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And now I'm on the I'm so excited.
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And that director is like a complete legend.
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So it's been great, really. Yeah, well, that's so exciting.
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And then of course we get this whole other seasons and now talk
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about the carry us through the rest of this year.
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I'm so sad it's ending, but I just really feel like this
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season is such the perfect send off.
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There's so much to get into. So let's let's try to give it a
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shot. So what were those early
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conversations like with Danny McBride and a team as you kind
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of figured out what's the season gonna look like?
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Also, maybe this is the last season.
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What do those conversations look like as you start going through
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those scripts? When you start seeing all these
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crazy moments that you and your team are getting ready to crack
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into. Well, I will say all the way to
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the beginning, when I was still like at my house and just
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getting the first script, I had talked to our line producer and
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I think like November and they were just like, you know, it's
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going to be a lot easier this season, a lot less, you know,
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heavy background costumes. We're going to do this and this.
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And I was thinking, oh, OK, great.
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Like, we can, like, maybe hone in on some of these storylines
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and, you know, we won't die. And so when I got the Civil War
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episode, I was like, what? Excuse me, What the hell are you
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talking about? So that was insane.
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And, you know, it's a lot, you know, with filmmaking and
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especially TV, there's a lot of moving parts.
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A lot of we're doing this, oh, wait, no, we're doing this.
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Oh, wait, no, we're doing this. He's not available.
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We're going to do it. So it was like we were going to
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shoot the Civil War episode. Then we had to wait.
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And then we started to telephone and then we went back to Civil
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War and it was like, insane. And as you know, you know what,
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me as a costume designer, I'm just not showing up in a suit.
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I'm like, I need for the telethon.
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It was going to have to be something insane.
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When I was talking to Danny about it, we he really loved the
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idea of these, I don't know, kind of like Jetsony shake campy
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costumes. So we actually decided to,
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instead of like ruining the the costumes in the beginning, we,
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he decided we were going to do something a little bit
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different, which is where the Angel costumes came in.
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Those actually weren't there as well.
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We had to kind of reformat that and then not even that, you
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know, that actually wasn't even that difficult in comparison to
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like Bible or excuse me, teen just and I was just like we had
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come. We went through a lot of
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different ideas with teen just we even were like talking about
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silly ideas of like, should we do like party city costumes that
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would be very junky and like taped together and it would it
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actually was really funny. I was like, I'm kind of into
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this idea. But again, it's one of those
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things that kind of goes in circles and you know, Danny's we
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chat about things and work through it.
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So, you know, this season, I think it was a tough one.
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We we had to shoot double units at the same time.
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We had half the shooting schedule as we did the season
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before. So it was a lot more difficult.
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And also, as you know, we're shooting in Charleston.
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There's nothing there. There's not even a mall.
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So everything has to be outsourced.
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Lots of things have to be built. And it was, it was a beast this
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season. But I think the payoff is good.
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I mean, there's a lot of range. Yeah, I was thinking of you when
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I watched that first episode because I was like, OK, this is
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a period Civil War film. So now Christina is taking it up
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the reins as a period costumes here for this one episode.
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So I get to ask you all the fun period questions.
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I get to ask the Sandy Powells and the con lean outwards.
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Like what did your research and prep look like for this one
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episode? And of course, Elijah Gemstones,
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played by Bradley Cooper of all people.
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So take me back to, like, preparing for that Civil War
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episode. Yeah, I mean, the great thing is
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we are in Charleston so we do have a lot more access to, you
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know, all the all the literature that you would want.
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There's a lot of re enactors and and things like that in that
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area. We, we actually were able to
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kind of go to the library and rent books and actually make it
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your checkbooks out. And, and just like working
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alongside of Richard, who is the production designer.
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And some of these concepts that we were coming up with that
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were, you know, we saw in articles like there's, there was
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talks of like there being like a camel because there was like
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certain kind of groups that had random animals.
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And I don't actually know because up until it didn't
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happen, there was supposed to be a camel.
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So that was that was quite interesting.
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I actually have done period before.
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I did a movie probably 5 or 6 years ago that was like the
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1950s. I also did this movie called K
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through 12 with Melanie Martinez, which was like 1800s
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to, you know, 1950s. So period is something I'm very
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passionate about. I, you know, I I just love
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period. I owned a vintage stores kind of
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coming into being a costume designer.
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But yeah, that was interesting. Also, we did not know who the
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casting was going to be. At times we were like, is it
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going to be Danny? Because that would be hilarious.
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And then I think like, you know, Judy was like, or Edie was like,
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well, maybe I could be in there. And they, it was just, it was
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pretty funny, like kind of figuring it out because with
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gemstones, there's a lot of like, mystery.
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We don't always know what's going on until it happens.
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And then it was just like, one day, OK, Christina, you're
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getting on a plane and you're going to go fit Bradley Cooper
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in New York. And I was like, oh, OK, here we
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go. And, you know, we have to build
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the stuff because we need multiples.
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So we're packing that in. I'm trying to do prefix on his
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double S to see if, like, it'll work and what it'll look like
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because I don't want to waste his time.
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You know, he's a superstar. And yeah, I think that it really
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panned out well. I also am so adamant because
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when I was coming up as a designer, I started shopping,
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but also was an agent Dyer and I love filth and grime and
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storytelling through that. So I really wanted to have that
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on the Civil War episode. I feel like a lot of the times
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when you watch these these movies, there's not enough grime
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and filth that would really show, especially, you know,
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these guys are ragtag, they're grabbing things from other
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bodies and and things like that. So I did a lot of research.
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I really loved the aging on like All Quiet on the Western Front.
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I thought that those were it was incredible.
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So, you know, it was a lot of work, but I feel like it was an
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absolute Civil War film and it like was epic as hell.
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And I felt really fortunate. It was like one of my first
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times like Danny like was really excited and came in and we were
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like watching the Céline Dion performance and he's like, Hey,
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do you want to come watch the the, the episode?
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We are finished with it. But it was so early days and I
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felt like so fortunate that I like he.
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I don't know, it's just like a Danny's amazing.
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You know, everybody knows that I have a, a real, I just love that
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man. So it was really a really
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beautiful experience for me to kind of go and do that with them
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all together this season. I love that.
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Let's move back to the present for a little bit.
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So Eli Gemstone is really living his best Margaritaville Jimmy
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Buffett life. We've meet him in episode 2.
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I have to imagine this was a lot of fun bringing Eli into this
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life. So what what were your kind of
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inspirations and bringing him into this retired lifestyle?
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I mean, it's it's, it's honestly it is, it is how John Goodman is
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now. I feel like, you know, he does
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live in New Orleans now. Now he lives in Charleston.
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He we started incorporating it in season 3 to slowly like
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transition him into this position of extreme casual
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lifestyle. So you know, Jimmy Buffett,
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things like that. Margaritaville is exactly a
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great reference Key West. But really, it was like, I don't
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know, I feel I felt again, like, like Season 3 that he was super
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happy because he wasn't having to be miserable in suits in like
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100° weather. So it was fun.
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I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, the episode
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that's coming up. Oh, my God.
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Tonight there is a he is a he has he's in the teen just, you
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know, baby Billy's kind of talked him into something and
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it's it's very, very funny. And that was a silly little
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costume that we did with him, which I'm excited to see how
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that episode turned out. But one thing that was
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interesting is in the script, Daddy did write about him having
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this outfit that I believe it was kind of like implied that
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Lori bought it for him or whatever.
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But it was that weird with the kangle hat and the linens that
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kind of looked like white Lotus a little bit.
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So that was funny because, you know, you know, it's been a
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year. It's been such a long time.
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I've, you know, I've done so much and I I coming on the
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screen, I was like thinking like, but also I was like, hey,
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to be fair, that was written into the script.
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Most things are not, but they thought that shit was funny it.
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Was so funny. It was so ridiculous and with.
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The long hair, I was like, I'm never going to live this one
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down. But yeah, that, that was a fun
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one. And it was so silly.
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But yeah, I mean, he like again, he it's, I feel so you don't
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like, unfortunately you don't get to allow a lot of actors or
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models or whatever to to be in these elements where they can be
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comfortable. And it's like a gift.
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Yeah, sure. They were so excited.
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I know I'm like, I want to start dressing like this.
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I think his wife went and like, bought some things.
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Of course he kept some things. And I mean, yeah, it's not too
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far fetched from what he wears like on his day-to-day.
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That's so funny. He is Eli Gemstone.
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He is. Kelvin goes on such a incredible
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journey in this season. Of course we see Kelvin and Keef
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launch Prism. Kelvin wins the top Christ
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following man. And this is of course like leads
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to a flurry of like fun, colorful costumes.
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I love all the photo shoots he's doing.
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It's so much fun. Did you feel like you really got
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to play with Kelvins costumes this season?
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Just really taking him to the top of his game.
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Yeah, I think this season, you know, I love the prison
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storyline. We were talking, you know, as
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we're on the show, we don't know what's going to be, you know,
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the scripts are coming as we're there, so we don't really know
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what's going to happen or what's going to pivot or things.
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But I loved the storyline of PRISM.
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I loved being able to kind of join Keith, Keith and Calvin
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together. And a lot of the Prism looks
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that we did were very cohesive. And I don't know, it was just
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really fun to push him. I mean, again, coming into
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season 3, I was kind of going in the high priest world and then I
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kind of started transitioning into this extreme like
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flamboyant fun out-of-the-box. He's like, you know, he's in his
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queer true self. And it, it was really, really,
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really fun. You know, we did some JW
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Anderson Gucci, of course, we always do Gucci on gemstones.
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And, you know, he had a lot of his his cool shoes, but.
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Overall for the I mean, we even had like golden goose, like
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matching sequin outfits and like home to Garcon and I don't know,
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those two are so fun to dress and that that Gucci shawl, he's
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wearing it like when he when he's first goes to the top price
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following man, when it kind of gets shut down by Stephen doors
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character and he's wearing this just like I have a photo of my
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customer, like behind him like this between takes, just
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brushing the shawl down or like so he doesn't like, you know,
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because it pokes up and stuff. But it was fun.
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It's there. I'm going to miss that
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flamboyancy and peacocking that I got to do on that show.
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And I think really this season with Calvin, we've pushed,
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pushed it really, really far. And I'm, I'm very fortunate that
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we got to do that because it's crazy.
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It's that one jacket he was wearing.
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You know, we had to alter it like 3 different times because
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he was getting jacked. You know, we were like, damn,
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dude, like stay out of the gym. Like, but it was so epic on
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camera. And Prism has all those insane
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lights and all those people that we were kind of trying to do
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that like blood rave cool, like nights club kids stuff that we
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were doing and and the lighting and and it was just, it was so
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it was beautifully shot. And yeah, God, I'm going to miss
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that. I missed those.
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I already missed those sequins. Now I'm just like, I mean, it's.
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RIP. It's such a fun storyline, but
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it's also, I mean, it's I kind of cried a little bit watching
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what the last episode I watched last night.
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I was like, damn it, this is like really good.
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I hate when the show makes me cry because it really gets you.
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So when I heard Megan Mulally was joining the show, I was over
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the moon. Love her.
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Lori is such a great character and she's of course singer, but
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she's a singer. Being friends with Amy Lee.
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And I was getting like a touch of maybe like a little Bonnie
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Raitt, some Tanya Tucker, maybe some Reba.
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This is there's a lot of fun that country influences
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happening with this character, am I right?
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Absolutely. Yeah, and what was it like
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working with this character? Well, I mean, Megan Mullally is
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an icon, so, you know, just being able to be in the presence
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of greatness was so fun. I mean, you know, her husband
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was in a lot of the fittings and it was around and they're just
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oh man, incredible people. It highly intelligent, really
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aware of what's going on. You know something about the?
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Two of you just makes sense, too.
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I don't know, like you and Megan Mullally, that feels right.
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Love her, she, she, she, we are. We are very similar
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personalities. They're very funny, but also
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like crass. And I don't know, I'd love her
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so much. But yeah, I mean, a lot of the
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influence, you know, she wasn't, you know, she's, she hasn't
22:52
spent a lot of time in that kind of humidity.
22:54
So you try to warn people and be like, oh, you don't really know
22:58
what's going to happen here. So, and then they get in and,
23:01
you know, it's, it's hot as hell and, you know, you just kind of
23:04
have to make some pivots depending on how the weather is
23:06
going to be. Like maybe more linen.
23:08
And, you know, we had occasionally a splash of like
23:11
the island Fisher linen vibes just because it is extremely hot
23:15
there. And it's just like borderline
23:17
suffering sometimes. But yeah, like I did, I had a
23:21
lot of like the 19th 40s ranch wears suits that I got, but most
23:27
of those ended up in photos, which we don't see as much,
23:29
which was so sad. But I I got like three of those
23:32
sets that I've been dying to use basically my whole career.
23:37
And yeah, there was a lot of like young Loretta Lynn.
23:42
Exactly. We're saying anything, any
23:44
opportunity that I can reference.
23:46
Reba McEntire is, you know, God, just like the most incredible
23:51
experience. But yeah, she was really fun to
23:54
dress. Lots of amazing Western wear
23:56
stuff And, and, and, you know, everything that we do on that
23:59
show has a touch of fashion. So, you know, we we had like
24:04
designer pieces on her that were like vintage, but kind of the
24:07
way we did the placement of it and threw like a really cool
24:10
vintage western jacket on it, kind of brought it together, but
24:12
still gave it some flair, which, which was fun.
24:16
Yeah, she she's. I honestly think it's like she
24:20
was always been on the show. When I watch it back, I'm like.
24:23
Has. She always been here, she flows
24:25
and she just like molds into that perfectly.
24:29
Yeah, it's a very natural character.
24:31
It just made sense the second I saw her.
24:32
I was like, well, yeah, of course.
24:35
I always loved to interlude episodes, and this one really
24:39
got me. I think it was just a time as
24:40
like 2 for what, 2002, 2003 maybe?
24:44
Seeing Kelvin in the Jimmy Neutron shirt almost put me in
24:48
the ground but the final now in the coffin was to Spider Man
24:52
shirt with the webbing because I had both of these shirts.
24:56
Oh shit. And I was like, no, like this is
24:59
me. So I oh, I missed that with
25:03
Spider man web shirt. It was it was way too tight.
25:06
But I remember being like, I could fly with this thing.
25:10
Yeah. So was like working with these
25:14
young actors and finding these like, I mean, you can't find a
25:17
Jimmy Neutron shirt like that these days.
25:19
So I was that challenge like. I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's,
25:26
it's, it's they're growing. They're, they're so amazing.
25:29
They're so talented, they're so funny.
25:32
And they, they really encompass Jesse and Judy's character
25:37
specifically those two so well. It's like who freaky when you
25:42
when you're when you're working with them?
25:45
I I thought, you know, we did we got to have a little bit more
25:48
fun with Judye character because she's a little bit older now and
25:51
like, you know, we got to bring in like 555 soul and like random
25:55
stuff. That was kind of trendy and
25:57
cool. And then also kind of bring in a
25:59
little bit more of like Christina Aguilera and things
26:03
that was a little bit more, I don't know, just take her out of
26:06
being being that kid character and bratty and kind of bring her
26:09
to a more elevated character. So that was fun.
26:13
Young Kelvin's character, you know, he is so damn funny and
26:19
especially when you watch it back on like you just it's so
26:23
hard because I don't get to spend a lot of time on set and
26:26
when I get to go back and watch it like we were talking about, I
26:28
haven't seen I see the episodes with everybody else minus the
26:31
1st and 2nd episode and just watching him, he is so funny in
26:35
that spider man. I like was there's certain
26:37
things where I'm like, I will die on cross for this and that
26:40
spider man sure was one of them. I was like, I have to have this
26:44
spider man. Sure.
26:45
And it was so damn funny. And I love that, you know, you
26:49
always notice details, which I think is great about you.
26:51
I don't think anybody's even brought that up to me.
26:53
And I think that shit is the web.
26:55
Like I'm like, is this like early days Rick Owens?
26:59
What? Are we doing here so.
27:02
It was like a time where like target, you would go and they
27:05
would be like the shirt and the pants, but it would like say
27:07
like, you know, how's like the webbing in it.
27:09
It would come like a pack. I vividly because I had a Batman
27:13
one too. So I'm like, oh, I remember
27:15
getting these. Yeah.
27:16
It was spooky, honestly. So if you're like tripping,
27:20
probably. I was like, whoa, other people
27:22
had these. So I love that episode.
27:26
OK, we have to talk about baby Billy.
27:28
First of all, Walton Gargens is on a rocket ship to another
27:32
planet. And I just have to say I kind of
27:35
pinpoint the moment where I really start noticing it was the
27:38
Payday song in Season 3 in the show costume.
27:41
I'm just saying that's when I really started to notice it.
27:44
So props to you and your team. But of course, now he's on White
27:48
Lotus and Fallout and so on and so forth.
27:52
This is probably my favorite baby Billy Ark.
27:55
We've seen him go from like talk show host to singer and now he's
27:59
like a Hollywood piece of shit. And I love that.
28:02
It is the best Ark. He's just become a full on
28:05
monster and I love it. He's just like, I mean, you
28:09
probably know this character yourself, these Hollywood
28:12
directors. I mean, how did you guys evolve
28:14
this character this season? Yeah, I, you know, it's God.
28:20
I mean, it's Walton. It was just so funny coming into
28:25
it this season because Walton did come straight from White
28:28
Lotus. Like it was like, you know, a
28:30
completely different character that he's playing and coming in
28:34
and landing in this world where I'm like, hey, it's me again.
28:37
We're going to do something fair, probably.
28:40
Stupid but. He's so game with everything.
28:43
And I like I always, I'm just, I have to always give Walton the
28:48
shout out. I think it could not happen to a
28:50
better person. I'm loving seeing this
28:52
trajectory of him. He deserves it.
28:54
He's just for me. You don't have a lot of actors
29:00
that are so supportive of costume design.
29:04
And I'm really understanding it. And damn, man, he is an advocate
29:08
for costume design. So shout out to him.
29:10
And this season was fun because, you know, we get it.
29:13
And it's like he's this cokehead like director and he's like he's
29:18
thinking he's got he's just got such a big ego now because of
29:21
the success of his past, you know, things in season 3.
29:25
So obviously it's like, where can we go with from this from
29:28
what he was last year? And I'm like, oh, obviously 70s
29:31
foreign director, like, of course, that's where we're going
29:33
to go. So it's like we went that
29:37
direction. And you know, there was a lot of
29:40
amazing things that I found like the Vivian Westwood two piece
29:43
set with the cards on it, which did not get enough airtime.
29:47
But because he has so many looks that you want to get in, you're
29:50
like, damn it, I got to get it in somehow.
29:52
So it was like those kind of looks were great.
29:54
You know, we custom built that telethon look, which is like
30:01
liquid. Love, love, love that fabric.
30:04
So. Beautiful yeah, it's so good.
30:08
And again, it's, it's a challenge because you know,
30:10
season 3, I feel like he really like that oyster shell was just
30:14
like so much for me and for him. We went somewhere with that.
30:18
So it was like, how do I, where do I go from from here?
30:21
It's like, what opportunities do I have?
30:23
And you know, we, we, we did that telethon look, I think it
30:26
was incredible. I think overall his wardrobe
30:28
this season is so fun, so over the top.
30:31
But then we're also now bringing in the teenagers element where
30:34
you know, he is becoming that episode.
30:39
Comes out today and like I've I'm gonna skip The Last of Us
30:43
just so I can see this changes this moment.
30:45
Like, I'm so stoked. You are not ready for this
30:49
episode. I I mean that teen demon thing
30:52
was just like a monster of a thing.
30:54
It just kind of came out of nowhere and it was like, oh, I
30:57
found this amazing, like already built costume from like Spain or
31:01
whatever with stilts. And I was like, whoa, this could
31:03
be cool. Like a really easy kind of cool
31:05
costume that already comes ready.
31:07
And I pitched it to to Watson, who is also named after the
31:11
monkey on the show. Hey, what do we think about
31:15
this? And then I was like, shit, I
31:16
can't get it in time. And then I had already signed us
31:19
up for stilts and I was like, damn it, what am I doing to
31:23
myself? And then I had to feel like make
31:25
a costume because that one couldn't get in time and then
31:27
add the still element to it. And that was crazy.
31:30
But again, another thing that you as us designers, we put so
31:34
much into something and then you get like this of it anyway, like
31:38
tell he's I'm still damn it. But yeah, this episode of teen
31:43
just is going to be great. I've been looking forward to to
31:45
this. It's, it's going to be sad for
31:48
the show to be over. I, I, I, I feel like the whole
31:50
world really needs a babybilly spin off.
31:52
And I'm like, fingers crossed. Like, you know, me and my
31:55
girlfriend were talking about it like, oh, maybe in 20 years
31:58
they'll do like they do with everything and be like, oh,
31:59
we're going to do a spin off. And then we're like, well, he'll
32:01
actually be of age, maybe to actually play the rocket
32:04
himself. So please.
32:08
His costumes. Do you ever need me to like,
32:10
start a petition? I will happily take the like
32:13
technical aspect of that, but before we move on to team, just
32:17
because I do want to talk about that a little bit more.
32:18
I just got also like give props to till you and your team,
32:20
because I feel like when you have a character like baby Billy
32:24
and you already take him up to this level of like Liberace, you
32:27
know, like they're at the they are so big and crazy, and then
32:31
you have to still evolve them even further into say 70's porn
32:35
director. I mean, just like, how do you do
32:37
that? That's just seems like such a
32:39
crazy aspect to bring this character to their, you know,
32:42
top Pokémon form, so to say. Still find something else?
32:47
It's, it's, it's so it's like, you know, I think that, you
32:52
know, being an Aries with ADHD really does help me kind of come
32:57
up with really bizarre things like off the cuff, like, yeah,
33:01
it's like, I don't know where this shit comes up.
33:06
Maybe it's like, like I always say, you know, Lee Bowery Mardi
33:09
Gras, like, you know, I spent so much time in New Orleans.
33:12
I'm so influenced. I, I, I, I went there this year
33:14
and I just get to walk around and be in this environment where
33:18
everybody is just larger than life.
33:19
So I'm very fortunate. I was also Mennonite when I was
33:23
a kid. So my mom made my dresses and I
33:26
wore bonnets and the costumes and all that weird shit was, you
33:29
know, part of my upbringing. So clothes have always been
33:33
something and always over the top.
33:36
You know, as long as I can remember, I, I, it's been my
33:39
thing. So, you know, it's, it is hard.
33:42
It is a challenge that fuck, man, how am I going to, what am
33:44
I going to do? It's stressful.
33:46
Like how can I like go bigger and bolder and different and
33:48
pivot or honestly come down is actually harder for me.
33:52
Like, you know, I'm going up and up and then Danny's like, oh,
33:55
you know, like for BJ, like the poll.
33:58
I mean, could you imagine when I was really going for for the
34:00
poll, like it wasn't going for those?
34:02
I literally fond of that this morning in the shower.
34:06
No, anytime you see something that's kind of going this way,
34:09
it's it's Danny being like, OK, we all need to go this far, you
34:14
know? And I'm like, well, I had a
34:15
whole like JoJo Siwa thing going on and damn it.
34:19
But yeah, I think the bigger challenge for me is to bring it
34:24
on down a little bit, so. My God, that's so funny.
34:29
That's so true though. Oh my gosh.
34:32
OK, so let's tip it. Talk about Teen Jess.
34:35
You were getting into a little bit, but this is a biblical
34:37
period film that's taking place in the middle of The Righteous
34:40
Gemstones. You've already done a Civil War
34:42
film at this point. I mean, how many types of genres
34:46
can you fit into one season of TV?
34:48
What was Teen Jess? A whole different challenge
34:50
like? Have you ever done biblical
34:52
before? No, I didn't think so.
34:56
No, it's just so it was so like it is.
35:01
I like, I really don't know if I'll ever come up against
35:05
another beast like this show where it was just like I feel
35:08
like it's and I have never even seen a show that was that's like
35:13
this where it's like one day. And and and again, because we're
35:16
shooting double units, we're sometimes shooting like telethon
35:20
with civil war or like, you know, it's, it's never just one,
35:25
one thing. Like it's always 2 at the same
35:27
time. And teenages.
35:30
Yeah. You know, we, we had, we wanted
35:32
to bring this element of, of the biblical era in there.
35:36
But then also, as you'll see in tonight's episode, we wanted to
35:40
bring biblical era, but like, what does that look like?
35:44
If it was colorful? So like, you know, we had two
35:46
versions of the biblical of the biblical era.
35:51
And then there's always other things that are going like, you
35:53
know, maybe there's some Pharaohs in there, there's belly
35:57
dancers and you're like, okay, like it's, it's, it's, it's
36:02
crazy. It's, it's, it's again, it goes
36:04
back to the ADHD and being in Aries that I'm just very much
36:08
like, who? What's next to this challenge?
36:10
Now? I don't sleep much, but I mean,
36:12
I have a hell of a good time. And I think my crew, you know,
36:15
they love it. We're always on our feet.
36:17
And we're also like, you cannot do this kind of stuff without
36:21
having a crew that is like pissing ourselves laughing
36:26
almost everyday, like just bouncing ideas off of each
36:29
other. We had like the blood rave song
36:31
playing in the office when Steven Dorf came in and we were
36:34
like, oh, no, this was a mistake.
36:36
We didn't mean to show like Blade in here.
36:38
Like we just have so stupid things like that that happen.
36:41
Yeah, I'm going to miss it. I'm going to miss my team and I,
36:44
I'm going to miss being in with that crew.
36:46
And and you know, anytime I can work with Danny, it's always
36:51
going to be a good time. Right.
36:53
Yeah. Well, hopefully this isn't the
36:54
last collaboration because I think we all need that,
36:57
honestly. So, Christina, I've just
37:00
sharing, you know, our past interview and people reaching
37:03
out to me all the time about the costume, saying how much they
37:06
love it. Usually.
37:07
People are usually messaging me about baby Billy and of course
37:12
Judy and Keef. Those are like really the big
37:16
style icons. I feel like that people love to
37:19
see. Their storylines maybe aren't as
37:21
big as Kelvins this season, but they still have some really
37:24
incredible looks. I mean, what did you do?
37:26
You have any fun moments working with Judy and Keef this season?
37:31
Every time I work with Tony Keith, it's, you know, he is a
37:36
vision. I work with him in a movie right
37:38
after this, which was the Denny Sweeney.
37:41
So it was like, we're here and that we're here and it was very
37:44
big. A big difference.
37:46
You know, it's it's, I don't know.
37:50
Judy's costumes are so fun. It's she's so exciting and she's
37:55
just she she really is the funniest character on the show.
37:59
And she is like in the boys club, but kind of the leader of
38:03
the pack and like, I don't know. I just like, I just get to have
38:07
so much fun with her. You know, that blue crazy gown
38:11
she's wearing when the monkey's throwing like fajita meat at
38:15
her, just like I'm pissing myself.
38:18
But yeah, I mean, it's again with her.
38:21
It's it's just it's Gucci, it's flash, It's pretty pretty
38:25
Princess. It's what every girl wishes they
38:28
could. You know, it's like little
38:30
girls, some not all, but not me, but like they're like, oh, what
38:34
am I getting at my wedding and blah, blah, blah.
38:35
And I feel like Judy's like, whoa, what am I going to get
38:39
from like, you know, Gucci runway or, you know, I don't
38:41
know. She she's really fun to dress
38:43
and Tony is always down, always game and you know, I part of me
38:50
has an inner goth, so dressing him has always been really like
38:54
a nod to to like that just really cool gothic.
39:00
I don't know. It's just so it's like again, it
39:02
goes back to like dark 90s club, like, you know, Berg Hein and
39:09
all that dark shit that I just. It's very effortless for him and
39:13
his character, actually. It is, it, is it, it, it.
39:17
It's so easy for him. And he, yeah, he.
39:20
I'm going to miss the hell out addressing him too.
39:22
It's never enough leather, never enough black.
39:26
So yeah. That brings us to the end and
39:29
I'm, I'm kind of sad to say, but you know, since we're talking
39:33
about the last season here, we were talking about a little bit.
39:35
But I mean, I would love for you to just give like that a final
39:39
shout out to your crew because there's such a massive show and
39:43
you can't do it by yourself. I mean, you have assistant
39:46
costume designers. The aging and dying is
39:48
incredible. I mean, just tell me about this
39:50
crew and all the people that really made this happen over the
39:53
past two seasons, especially this fourth season.
39:55
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm a big advocate of you are
39:59
absolutely nothing without your crew and.
40:02
I I wish I could, you know, take them with me every single place
40:07
I went. You know, it's Auger Moon
40:09
specifically. She is the person that builds
40:13
everything with me and never tells me no.
40:15
And she's just a phenomenal joy. She you know, she's aunt she was
40:19
Anne Roth's, you know, seamstress cutter fitter ahead
40:21
of work room. Like, I don't even know how I
40:24
got the lady hooded Ma Rainey's Black Bottom to come make an
40:28
oyster shell costume with me. Like, it's like, incredible.
40:30
And you know, my ACD is the funniest, smartest, most
40:37
ridiculous person and she was, I like hand picked her for this
40:41
job and she really was just exactly what I needed, you know,
40:46
both seasons and, and, and, and I just love being around her.
40:50
I also had a new supervisor this season who is on my show now,
40:54
which, you know, I, I don't even know how she managed to do these
40:59
two. You know, we got one crew doing
41:01
2 shows at the same time. So it was double the amount of
41:04
work with the same amount of crew and that scheduling.
41:07
And everybody doesn't even like, realize how much that goes into
41:11
the paperwork, the scheduling, finding people.
41:16
Hello, We need 50, you know, additional costumers today, help
41:20
and sourcing, you know, a lot of that Civil War stuff.
41:23
And she does it with Grace. And I'm just like, I again, I'm
41:27
just fortunate to have her. I'm actually staying in her
41:30
apartment now while I'm in LA. So even even more amazing.
41:34
But yeah, you know, my adriers are incredible.
41:36
My, my costumers are incredible. My shoppers.
41:39
It's, it's again, it goes back to we work our asses off and
41:44
then we go to graft and have amazing natural wine every
41:49
weekend. And we go to the beach together
41:51
and we go swimming and we just, it's a, it's a going, it's like
41:54
a sleepaway camp. And that is, you know, I'm so
41:58
fortunate. And again, I miss, I already
42:00
miss it. And we have a group chat still
42:02
going to this day. And I don't know, it's, it's
42:06
just, it's sad. It's really sad.
42:08
You know, I, I'm going to miss them and someday I'm going to
42:10
get a big ass show again and I'll be able to bring us all
42:14
back together again. And that's my that's, that's my
42:16
hope. Yeah, that's beautiful.
42:17
And you could all text each other in a group chat today
42:19
while you're watching teen Jess. I'm sure that's.
42:21
Happening. Oh my God.
42:23
My God, the Walton conversations, let me tell you.
42:26
And final, final question, what has the righteous gemstones
42:30
meant to you and your career, Christina?
42:35
You know, I think that for me it is, gosh, I, it's, it is
42:40
everything to me. It, it's, it's been a loud it's,
42:43
it's working with somebody like Danny McBride, who has been like
42:48
opening the doors to say, you know, be you create, do whatever
42:53
you like, whatever your hearts desire.
42:55
So in a way, I have gotten to be Judy Gemstone and I could tear
42:59
up like talking about it. I, it's, it's pushed me so much.
43:03
It's humbled me a lot. And it's just like, again, I'm
43:09
living out my, I was living out my wildest dreams.
43:12
And it's really, you know, you, we always have imposter syndrome
43:15
and I think we always will. And, and that was a really good
43:19
show for me to go. Damn, I am pretty good at this.
43:22
Like, you know, so I'm, I'm so grateful.
43:25
I'm so grateful for the Righteous gemstones for doing
43:27
that for me. And it's, it's, it's, it was
43:30
always a show I I wanted to work on.
43:32
And I can't even believe I was so fortunate enough to land that
43:35
job and, and, and push my own boundaries.
43:39
And I don't know, I'm just so fortunate.
43:42
And, you know, well, I mean, look at all those amazing actors
43:46
I've gotten to work with. I mean, Walton, like I said,
43:48
it's just fucking incredible. But yeah, so I could go on and
43:52
on about it. I'm, I'm, I'm loving it.
43:54
I'm loving this episode. I'm also happy it's over.
43:57
I think it's a great time to wrap it up.
43:59
I hate when shows go on for seven season and you're like,
44:01
babe, that's ended three seasons ago.
44:04
So yeah, it's it's been fantastic.
44:08
Well, I'm just so happy for you. I mean, this can happen to a
44:11
better person. Congratulations.
44:14
It's such a great series and congratulations to everyone on
44:16
your crew and I can't wait. We have two more episodes.
44:19
I know this is going to happen. I'm going to watch the last
44:21
episode. I'm like, fuck, I should have
44:23
waited a whole other two weeks to talk to Christina.
44:26
Last time there was Bible bonkers.
44:29
So let's see what is this time that's going to ruin my evening
44:32
in a good way. I.
44:33
Can't wait for you to see the finale episode.
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I am so excited and I will say June 2nd when we do or when we
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do our panel thing. I am bringing one of the
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costumes from the finale episode and it is a sleigh the house
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down boots. It is so good.
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Well, I forget I get to see you again and we could talk about
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this some more soon. So costume designer Christina
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Flannery, thank you so much for joining.
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This is so much fun. I love chatting with you.
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Thank you. And I will hopefully see you
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very soon. Yeah.
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Thank you. Spencer, I love your interview.
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She's, she knows what she's doing.
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She knows how to talk about it. Yeah, I mean, because Christina
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Flannery really is. She is a part of Gemstones
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world, you know, I think she would be friends of Judy, Kelvin
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and Jesse. They would go to her as the
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stylist for the gemstones. And Eli would probably hate it.
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Oh yeah. He'd be like, what do you need a
45:30
stylist for? But then he'd just, like, throw
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up his hands and, like, walk out of the room.
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Yeah. He'd be like, OK, do whatever
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you want. Yeah, it was so fun.
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I love talking. I mean, the fact that she had to
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essentially design two period films within the series.
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The first episode with Bradley Cooper.
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Did not see that coming. Which everyone was like, huh?
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And then teen just I mean, that's like a whole other note.
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Like she's doing biblical work, you know, like you would see in
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the book of Clarence or you know, any, anything else
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biblical. So I mean, props to Christina
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and her entire team. What a great send off.
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Of course, this interview happened a couple days before
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the finale where we got to see Keith and Kelvin's wedding.
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I knew that was going to happen. I knew there was going to be
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something good in finale and I missed it, but I'm going to be
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seeing Christina in a couple weeks actually, so I'm probably
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just going to be bugging her about that.
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And feel like OK, I need these extra details.
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So if that feels kind of silly but we have to give a stitch
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rating on, should we do the final season of the Righteous
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Gemstones or the Gemstones as a whole?
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Let's start Righteous Gemstones season 4.
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What's your stitch rating, Spencer?
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Out of five, yeah, I'll give it a four only because I was really
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getting fed up with the gemstones and being mean to
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Laurie and Eli. The first half of it, I was
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like, enough like kids grow up. It was pissing me off.
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Yeah, I know it's a part of the like arc, but I was getting
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really frustrated with it. Same, I'm at like a 3.5 because
47:09
of that because I was like this. There are times I was like this
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is going too far. Guys.
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And I was like, I need to go watch like the Gilded Age or
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something. I need something like.
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I just, I really wanted Eli to be happy, and they made us wait
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for it. But we do get there in the end.
47:27
Yeah. So you know, of course, which I
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knew would happen, but sometimes you just want to take the three
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siblings and just shake them to death.
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He's. Like what are you like your poor
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father, like he's living on a boat, Like just let him do what
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he wants. He doesn't care anymore.
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But the series as a whole excellent.
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Five O 5 stitch rating for me. Absolutely.
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Yeah, no, I mean, no question. Yeah.
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It's just I can't think of a single episode in this series
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that I've been disappointed with.
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No, like it starts. I mean they had Joe Jonas in the
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second season like I forgot. About that.
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Yeah, and just like the way Walton Goggins as baby Billy has
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like captivated the world looking at this four season arc,
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I mean, yeah, it's just a perfect series to me.
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And you know, it's a perfect series because they're going out
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on their terms and ending with the fourth season.
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That's how you know that they're on a high.
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Yeah, absolutely. 5 out of five. Oh gosh, well let's play 1 cost
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and rule them off for our final time with the Righteous
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Gemstones. Yes, I made it.
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The one costume to rule them all.
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Spencer, what's your one costume to rule them all?
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OK. Well, honorable mention, I kind
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of went back and forth on this. You did.
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I'm going to say my honorable mention has to go to this very
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quick scene when the gemstones in season 4 go to find Eli on
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his boat and they throw on their most ridiculous yacht costumes.
48:58
That's so stupid, so good. And just to me, like that is the
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like typical Christina Flannery like touch, especially like Judy
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with the Red Sailors hat. It's so silly.
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I love when the siblings are like, dressing cohesively.
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Yeah, it's absolutely like, what would you would see in like a
49:19
Cole's family photo of like, 'cause it's all the kids and
49:23
they're like nautical little uniforms, like in front of like
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a like blotchy they. Did the same thing in season 3
49:30
when they went to the racetrack. Yes.
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But it's like made for a grown up, so it's like it looks
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ridiculous. It's so good but my one costume
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rule them all has to go to the very end when I saw Keith and
49:44
Kelvin and their wedding looks. You're usually the wedding
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person but I have to be the wedding person this time.
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I love Keith's like gothy wedding look it's so dope.
49:56
Kelvin in that white with the Cape.
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It's so sweet. I was crying.
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I was really What was your one costume to rule them all?
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So my one costume to rule them all came from the first episode.
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And again, it's the gemstone siblings dressing all alike in
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something I totally saw in like church like nativity pageants
50:21
growing up. It's their Angel costumes with
50:26
the hover whatever to fly across the audience for their mom's
50:31
special. It's ridiculous.
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It's so ridiculous. And like it.
50:37
It's also very simple, which like literally like I have seen
50:41
children in the flesh in this costume, but it's on these full
50:46
grown adults. It looks ridiculous.
50:48
And then they have like this bizarre technology to like allow
50:52
them to hover over the it's so ridiculous.
50:55
It's so them. It's so adorable, but actually
50:59
the wing construction is so cute because it almost has like a
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like a musical theater quality, which makes it even that much
51:07
more fun where you know, it's not like real feathers.
51:10
It's very theater like, which makes even more camping over the
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top. So yeah, chef's kiss.
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It's. Absolutely.
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That's a good. One and it's like, I saw this
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and I was like, oh, this is going to be a good season.
51:22
Yeah, that's like right now the bat too.
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After that, that period, first episode and then the second
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episode, it's just costumes after costumes after costumes.
51:30
And that brings us to the end of the Righteous Gemstones.
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I'm kind of sad about it, I know, but I'm like holding that
51:37
hope that they're going to do like a Baby Billy spin off or
51:40
like a Righteous Gemstones movie.
51:42
I I kind of feel like maybe it'll be like a Gilmore Girl
51:46
situation where in like 10 years they just do like a miniseries
51:50
that catches you up, like with where everybody is.
51:53
Yeah, in life. Which I'm going to guess is
51:55
probably not very far. Yeah, probably not, unless it's
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baby Billy, like on a red carpet somewhere.
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Or baby billing like an I like an alleyway or something.
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I don't know. It could.
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It could go. Either.
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Way well, if you enjoyed this episode, make sure you e-mail us
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at theartofcostume@gmail.com. Make sure let's know what your
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one costume rule them all is from the Righteous Jumpstone
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Season 4 or honestly any costume from The Four Seasons.
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52:30
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You in two weeks.