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Wealthy Real Estate Developer Murdered In The Street · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: You know, usually when we think about a puzzle, there's
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  Speaker 1: this comforting, like built in expectation of order. You open
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  Speaker 1: the box, you pour out the pieces onto the table,
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  Speaker 1: and you just know with absolutely certainty that if you
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  Speaker 1: sit there long enough and you just try enough combinations,
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  Speaker 1: every single piece will snap perfectly into place to form
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  Speaker 1: the picture on the cover.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, is a closed system. It's entirely logical. You
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  Speaker 2: might get frustrated, but the solution definitely exists within those boundaries.
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  Speaker 1: But then you step into the world of unsolved mysteries
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  Speaker 1: and missing persons. Oh yeah, and suddenly it's like someone
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  Speaker 1: opened a jigsaw puzzle on your table, but half the
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  Speaker 1: pieces belong to completely different boxes.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly it.
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  Speaker 1: Like some of those pieces are upside down, some are
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  Speaker 1: chewed up, and others are just completely blank. We are
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  Speaker 1: looking at an investigative landscape today that is honestly mind bending.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome to today's a deep dive. We have a fascinating
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  Speaker 1: stack of transcripts from Crime Watch Daily to look at
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  Speaker 1: today exploring three incredibly baffling, completely unresolved missing persons and
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  Speaker 1: murder cases, and our mission today it's not just to
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  Speaker 1: summarize what happened?
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  Speaker 2: Right, We're going deeper exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to dissect the bizarre human behaviors, the
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  Speaker 1: impossible timeline anomalies, and the wildly strange side characters that
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  Speaker 1: manage to turn a standard police investigation into the twilight zone.
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  Speaker 2: And it's crucial to look at these cases through that
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  Speaker 2: exact analytical lens, Yeah, because when you strip away the
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  Speaker 2: surface level details, you see that in all three of
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  Speaker 2: these investigations, the most obvious answers are totally obscured, totally.
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  Speaker 2: But they aren't obscured by criminal mastermind, right, No, they
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  Speaker 2: are hidden behind the messy realities of the human brain,
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  Speaker 2: like flawed memory or highly convenient amnesia. Oh we'll get
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  Speaker 2: into that, Oh yeah, along with hidden relationships and in
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  Speaker 2: one case, some of the most shocking breaches of professional
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  Speaker 2: ethics you could possibly imagine.
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  Speaker 1: It is a wild ride. And for everyone listening right now,
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  Speaker 1: whether you are commuting, doing the dishes, or just unwinding,
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  Speaker 1: we are taking you on a meticulously structured journey through.
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  Speaker 2: These events because these cases are a stark reminder of
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  Speaker 2: just how fragile normalcy really is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They show us the exact mechanics of how quickly, a
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  Speaker 1: totally normal, boring Tuesday can just spiral into absolute chaos.
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  Speaker 2: And to understand that sudden chaotic spiral, we really have
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  Speaker 2: to start by looking at a young man named Tim Egan. Right.
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  Speaker 2: The trajectory of his life and how it violently intersected
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  Speaker 2: with this bizarre sequence of events perfectly illustrates this concept.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. So let's paint a picture of who
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  Speaker 1: Tim Egan was, because this guy was not your average thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Two year old, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at Tim's life, he was an absolute trailblazer,
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  Speaker 1: like a natural born entrepreneur. I mean, consider this, When
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  Speaker 1: he was just fifteen years old, he started an online
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  Speaker 1: car accessories business out of his childhood bedroom, exactly out
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  Speaker 1: of his bedroom, and he wasn't just playing around with
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  Speaker 1: a hobby. It grew so fast and moved so much
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  Speaker 1: inventory that he literally had daily ups pickups at his
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  Speaker 1: parents' house at fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: It speaks to a profound level of intrinsic drive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because that isn't just about make a little spending money, right.
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  Speaker 2: That requires logistical planning, customer service, supply chain management.
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  Speaker 1: All managed by a high schooler exactly.
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  Speaker 2: He was someone who threw himself into his passions one percent,
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  Speaker 2: and as he got older after college, that immense drive
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  Speaker 2: pivoted toward real estate development. Right. He ends up partnering
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  Speaker 2: with a man named Zachary Court, and together they create
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  Speaker 2: a company called ten Space and.
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  Speaker 1: Their target was Stockton, California. Now to understand the stakes here,
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  Speaker 1: you have to remember what Stockton was going through.
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  Speaker 2: It was rough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, after the two thousand and eight real estate crash,
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  Speaker 1: Stockin was hit incredibly hard. It actually became the largest
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  Speaker 1: US city at the time to file for bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Entire neighborhoods were foreclosed on, businesses shuttered. It was a
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  Speaker 1: city in desperate need of a face lift, desperately needing
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  Speaker 1: someone to believe.
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  Speaker 2: In it again. And Tim saw the potential he did.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted to turn that blaye into bliss. He specifically
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  Speaker 1: focused on revitalizing the downtown area, you know, taking these
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  Speaker 1: beautiful but abandoned historical buildings and bringing them back to life.
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  Speaker 2: He took on the role of chief branding officer for
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  Speaker 2: ten Space, Okay, and he was pouring hours of his
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  Speaker 2: life into this grand vision, trying to convince people that
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  Speaker 2: Stockton was a viable investment and the tragic irony is
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  Speaker 2: that things were actually working. They were the timeline on
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  Speaker 2: the day everything went wrong, which was a Tuesday in June.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually a story of massive culminating success.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They had a huge win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim and his team had spent the afternoon courting
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  Speaker 2: major investors from San Francisco. They had pulled out all
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  Speaker 2: the stops, like food trucks, live music outside one of
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  Speaker 2: their newly acquired buildings. Oh wow, it was a triumphant day.
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  Speaker 2: They were successfully selling the dream.
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  Speaker 1: They were ecstatic, and because they were very much the
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  Speaker 1: work hard, play hard types, they decided to s celebrate
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  Speaker 1: this massive win. Sure, so, Tim, his wife Katie, his
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  Speaker 1: business partner Zach, and about eight friends go out bar
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  Speaker 1: hopping in Stockton's Miracle Mile neighborhood. Everything's going great, the
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  Speaker 1: drinks are flowing, everyone is happy.
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  Speaker 2: But as it gets late, the dynamics starts to fracture. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Kim's wife Katie decides she's tired and heads home early.
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  Speaker 2: Tim stays out, and then right around ten forty five pm,
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  Speaker 2: the mood completely shifts from celebratory to aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: It really does, right, and the.
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  Speaker 2: Timeline gets very tight and very physical. Here Tim gets
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  Speaker 2: into a scuffle with a bouncer at the first bar.
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  Speaker 2: Voices are raised, pushing ensues, and he is asked to leave. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: He and the remaining group cross the street to a
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  Speaker 2: second bar, but the energy has soured. They're only inside
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  Speaker 2: this new bar for about twenty minutes before Kim says
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  Speaker 2: he wants to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's done.
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  Speaker 2: He and Zach walk outside into the street, and for
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  Speaker 2: some completely unknown reason, these two business partners, who just
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  Speaker 2: spent the afternoon celebrating a massive collaborative success, get into
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  Speaker 2: a violent, bloody fistfight right there on the pavement.
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  Speaker 1: A physical brawl that is so intense it has to
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  Speaker 1: be broken up by bystanders. People at the bar actually
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  Speaker 1: witness this happening, and when they are finally pulled apart,
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  Speaker 1: Tim is visibly bleeding. He is seen walking away in
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  Speaker 1: one direction, heading toward his house, and Zach walks off
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  Speaker 1: in a completely different direction, and that solitary walk home
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  Speaker 1: is where everything ends. Just a short time later, Tim
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  Speaker 1: is found lying in the street three blocks from his house.
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  Speaker 1: He's dead from a stab wound to the abdomen.
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  Speaker 2: Now, from an investigative standpoint, the immediate assumption from both
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  Speaker 2: the family and the responding patrol officers. Is that an
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  Speaker 2: arrest will be made in a matter of hours.
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: You have a public street brawl, you have multiple eyewitnesses,
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  Speaker 2: You have a victim who is just in a physical
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  Speaker 2: altercation in a timeline that spans barely an hour from
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  Speaker 2: the first bar to the discovery of the body. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like a straightforward, albeit incredibly tragic sequence of events.
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  Speaker 2: You look at the last person he fought.
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  Speaker 1: With, right, But I need to stop you there, because
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  Speaker 1: the mechanics of this are crucial, and this is where
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  Speaker 1: the puzzle pieces completely fall off the table. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: unpack this. Let's talk about the fight with Zach Court.
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  Speaker 1: When the police sit Zack down and ask him what
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  Speaker 1: motivated this bloody street fight with his business partner right
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  Speaker 1: before he was murdered, Zach claims he can't remember nothing.
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  Speaker 1: He says it was just two drunk guys and he
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  Speaker 1: has zero memory of what they were actually fighting about,
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  Speaker 1: which is.
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  Speaker 2: A massive hurdle for an interrogation.
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  Speaker 1: But wait, is there any neurological or physiological basis for
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  Speaker 1: that kind of localized amnesia?
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  Speaker 2: That's the question.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you are a blackout drunk, Sure, your
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  Speaker 1: memory gets botty, But if you're adrenaline spikes because you
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  Speaker 1: are in a literal fistfight with your partner on the concrete,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't that physical trauma cement the memory?
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  Speaker 2: You would think so.
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  Speaker 1: Like the brain's threat response system doesn't usually just hit
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  Speaker 1: delete when you're in active physical danger, You're.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly right to question the underlying mechanic of that. Neurologically speaking,
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  Speaker 2: when you enter a physical altercation, your amignala activates, flooding
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  Speaker 2: your system with cortisol and adrenaline. Fight or flight exactly
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  Speaker 2: That cocktail typically sears the emotional peak of an event
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  Speaker 2: into your hippocampus. True psychogenic amnesia, where your brain just
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  Speaker 2: builds a wall to forget a highly stressful event, is
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  Speaker 2: incredibly rare, okay, and it's usually police have to compartmentalize
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  Speaker 2: information based on strict legal parameters. Zachary Court cooperated with
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  Speaker 2: the police interviews he did, and officially, from a law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement perspective, he is completely in the clear. He is
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  Speaker 2: not a person of interest. Detectives cannot arrest someone for
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  Speaker 2: having a bad memory, or even a suspiciously timed memory loss,
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  Speaker 2: if there is no physical evidence tying them to the actual.
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  Speaker 1: Stab wound, which leaves the Stockton Police at a dead end.
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  Speaker 1: But the real twist in this case doesn't actually come
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  Speaker 1: from Zach or the friends at the bar. It comes
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  Speaker 1: from a private investigatorired by Tim's father, a man named
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Swanson.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is Swanson brings a completely different methodology
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  Speaker 2: to the table. He is a former Stockton police detective
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  Speaker 2: with over forty years of homicide experience.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: When he takes the case, he doesn't just rely on
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  Speaker 2: the existing case file. He canvasses the neighborhood himself. He
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  Speaker 2: brings a fresh set of eyes and a different operational
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  Speaker 2: tempo than an overworked municipal detective division.
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  Speaker 1: And he immediately uncovers things the initial sweep somehow missed. First,
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  Speaker 1: he finds two people sitting on their porch who actually
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  Speaker 1: saw Tim walk by after the fight with Zach. After
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  Speaker 1: the fight, right they said, Tim looked disheveled and clearly
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  Speaker 1: had a wound on his head from the brawl. They
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  Speaker 1: even asked if he was okay, and Tim said yes
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  Speaker 1: and just kept walking. So right there, Swanson establishes an
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  Speaker 1: irrefutable fact Tim survived the fight with zach And was
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  Speaker 1: alive and moving toward home after parting ways with his partner.
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  Speaker 2: But Swanson doesn't stop with eyewitnesses. He starts digging into
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  Speaker 2: the municipal data. He pulls the police dispatch logs from
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  Speaker 2: that night. Yeah, this is wild, and this is where
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  Speaker 2: the analytical side of an investigation becomes paramount. You have
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  Speaker 2: to look for the convergence of data points like where
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  Speaker 2: does chaos overlap? Swanson finds a shocking timeline convergence in
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  Speaker 2: black and white on the dispatch redoubts what did he find?
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  Speaker 2: At one twenty nine am, Stockton Police respond to a
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  Speaker 2: frantic domestic disturbance call on Poplar Street. At one fifty
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  Speaker 2: four am, just twenty five minutes later, officers are dispatched
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  Speaker 2: to an unresponsive male who turns out to be Tim Egan.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just the same timeframe. It is happening
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  Speaker 1: mere feet away on the exact same block of Poplar
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  Speaker 1: Street exactly. At first glance, a detective might look at
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  Speaker 1: that and say, well, it's a rough neighborhood to separate incidents,
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  Speaker 1: just a coincidence, But Swanson actually goes and knocks on doors.
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  Speaker 1: He talks to the neighbors who live next to the
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  Speaker 1: apartment where that one twenty nine am domestic call happen, right,
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  Speaker 1: and they drop an absolute bombshell. They tell Swanson that
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  Speaker 1: after the police found Tim's body down the street, the
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  Speaker 1: woman involved in that domestic violence call came over to
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  Speaker 1: their porch and she freely admitted that her boyfriend had
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  Speaker 1: just been in a physical altercation with Tim out in
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  Speaker 1: the street.
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  Speaker 2: And her exact phrasing is chilling because it implies prolonged observation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't just say they fought and Tim ran away.
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  Speaker 2: She told the neighbors that Tim just seized up and
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  Speaker 2: laid down. Oh Man, that specific language suggests she was
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  Speaker 2: standing there watching him succumb to his injuries. She was
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  Speaker 2: present for his final moments.
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  Speaker 1: So Swanson has essentially found a puzzle piece from a
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  Speaker 1: completely different box and realized it actually fits the murder
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  Speaker 1: scene perfectly. He proves that this couple from the domestic
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  Speaker 1: call are likely the last two people on earth to
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  Speaker 1: see Tim alive. Right, But when he tries to find
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  Speaker 1: them to ask some very obvious questions, nobody at the
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  Speaker 1: apartment complex knows their real names, and they have conveniently
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  Speaker 1: moved out of the building right after the murder.
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  Speaker 2: But Swanson is a veteran investigator. People leave paper trails.
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  Speaker 2: He's subpoenas property management records, tracked down their legal names,
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  Speaker 2: scours open source intelligence like Facebook profiles.
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  Speaker 1: What does he find.
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  Speaker 2: He discovers they packed up and moved across state lines
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  Speaker 2: to Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: And here's where it gets incredibly dark and frankly terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: In Nevada, this exact same couple gets into another domestic dispute,
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  Speaker 1: but this one escalates into severe violence. The police are
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  Speaker 1: called and the woman is actually arrested and accused of
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  Speaker 1: cutting her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: With a meat cleaver with a meat cleaver.
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  Speaker 1: So you have a couple with a demonstrated, documented history
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  Speaker 1: of severe NIPE related violence who placed themselves at the
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  Speaker 1: exact scene of Tim's stabbing at the exact time of
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  Speaker 1: his death.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like the smoking gun. Swanson packages all of
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  Speaker 2: this evidence that dispatched logs, the neighbor's statements, the Nevada
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  Speaker 2: arrest records, and hands it over to his former colleagues
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  Speaker 2: at the Stockton Police Department. Yeah, the detectives take it
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  Speaker 2: seriously enough that they actually travel out to Nevada to
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  Speaker 2: interview the couple. But and this is where the reality
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  Speaker 2: of the justice system can be deeply unsatisfying. Right, the
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  Speaker 2: Stocking police publicly stated that interviewing this couple did not
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  Speaker 2: generate any actionable evidence. Officially, neither the man nor the
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  Speaker 2: woman are considered suspects. Yeah, and they have never been
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  Speaker 2: charged in connection with Tim's.
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  Speaker 1: Death, and obviously we have to just report the facts
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  Speaker 1: as they stand. They are not official suspects. But ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: that is just profoundly agonizing for Tim's family. It is
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  Speaker 1: his father is out there offering a forty thousand dollars reward,
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  Speaker 1: putting up billboards, mourning the fact that Tim's young nephews
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  Speaker 1: are only going to know their uncle through photographs.
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  Speaker 2: When you look at Tim's case, it is a chaotic,
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  Speaker 2: highly public mystery. You have bar fights, bouncers, a dozen witnesses,
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  Speaker 2: nine to one to one calls, and a couple wielding
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  Speaker 2: a meat cleaver. It's loud, oh loud. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes an investigation forces us to ask a totally different question.
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  Speaker 2: What do investigators do when there is no noise at all?
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  Speaker 2: In Tim's case, the chaos obscures the truth. But sometimes
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  Speaker 2: a mystery is terrifying exactly because it is so completely
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  Speaker 2: quiet and so seemingly premeditated that there is no chaos
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  Speaker 2: at all, just a sudden, deafening silence.
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  Speaker 1: That is the exact thematic shift we see when we
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  Speaker 1: move to the disappearance of a Kia Eggleston. We are
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  Speaker 1: moving from the loud, messy street violence of Stockton to
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  Speaker 1: a chillingly quiet, meticulous disappearance in Baltimore, and the silence
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  Speaker 1: in this case is what makes it so unnerving.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about Akia. She is a twenty two year
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  Speaker 2: old living in the Cherry Hill area, Baltimore. By all accounts,
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  Speaker 2: she is the anchor of her family. She has a
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  Speaker 2: two year old daughter who she is absolutely inseparable from.
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  Speaker 1: Right her family describes her as a spark plug. She's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of person who is always checking in on
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  Speaker 1: everyone else, always trying to brighten someone else's day.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time of her disappearance, she was on
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  Speaker 2: the verge of a massive life transition. She was she
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  Speaker 2: was eight months pregnant with a little boy. This is
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  Speaker 2: an incredibly vulnerable, physically demanding time in a woman's life,
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  Speaker 2: and she is right on the precipice of bringing a
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  Speaker 2: new child into the world.
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  Speaker 1: But just days before she is due to celebrate this milestone,
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  Speaker 1: literally days before her own baby shower, she vanishes, just gone.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't post on social media, her phone goes straight
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  Speaker 1: to voicemail. She isn't at her apartment, and we really
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  Speaker 1: need to emphasize the psychological importance of this baby shower.
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  Speaker 1: She hadn't just ur's VP to a party someone else
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  Speaker 1: was throwing. She had personally put down a nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars deposit for the event space and catering.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a vital piece of behavioral evidence. When a
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  Speaker 2: twenty two year old mother puts down nine hundred dollars
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  Speaker 2: of her own money, that indicates a deep emotional and
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  Speaker 2: financial investment in her immediate future. APPS people who are
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  Speaker 2: planning to voluntarily walk away from their lives do not
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  Speaker 2: sink their limited savings into a highly publicized family gathering,
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  Speaker 2: right So.
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  Speaker 1: When she goes missing, the investigation begins where they always do,
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  Speaker 1: with the people closest to her. She lived with a
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  Speaker 1: female roommate who also had a child. The roommate is
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  Speaker 1: cooperative and shows police text messages proving that Akiye was
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  Speaker 1: planning to move out of their shared apartment. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: the immediate question is where she going. It turns out
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  Speaker 1: she was planning to move into a new house with
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  Speaker 1: the father of her unborn.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, and the interpersonal dynamics here are incredibly complex. The
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  Speaker 2: baby's father is a man named Andre Michael Robinson. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: Akia had actually kept his identity a secret from her
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  Speaker 2: family during the pregnancy. But when her stepfather, Sean finally
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  Speaker 2: finds out who the father is, he realizes it's his
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  Speaker 2: own childhood friend.
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  Speaker 1: Which has to be a devastatingly awkward, in tense family dynamic,
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  Speaker 1: oh for sure. But again looking at how law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: processes this. The police have interviewed Robinson, and officially he
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  Speaker 1: is totally clear. He has not been named the suspect
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  Speaker 1: or charged with anything related to her disappearance. However, he
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  Speaker 1: has been directed not to speak to the stepfather, and
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't shown up for any of the community searches
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  Speaker 1: or vigils.
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  Speaker 2: For a KIA, which naturally draws public scrutiny because we
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  Speaker 2: expect grieving partners to be front and center. But his
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  Speaker 2: absence doesn't give the police a physical location to search.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't search an absence.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and the early stages of this investigation were actually
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  Speaker 2: severely hindered by a very common cognitive bias that plagues
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  Speaker 2: missing persons cases, witness fallibility.
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  Speaker 1: Oh the maintenance man Exactly.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: When detectives first arrived at a Kia's apartment complex to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: begin their canvas, a maintenance worker told them with absolute
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: certainty that he had just seen a Kia walking around
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: the complex.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: An hour prior, which instantly deflates the urgency. The detective
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: hears that and thinks, Okay, she's not missing, she's just
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: avoiding her phone. We're going to clear this case by dinner.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Precisely, it anchors the investigation to a false premise, whether
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: it was the Mandela effect or he just saw another
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: pregnant woman and his brain filled in the gaps. It
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: shows how human memory can actively sabotage a search. Yeah,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: it wasn't until detectives stopped relying on human memory and
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: started pulling empirical data, specifically public transit video and bank
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: surveillance footage, that they realized she wasn't just wandering around
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: her apartment complex.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: At all, And that bank footage is where the one
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: major verified clue in this entire case drops. Police discovered
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that on the day Akia went missing, a female friend
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: drove her to multiple bank locations around Baltimore. Okay, we're
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: talking stop at a Royal Farms to use the ATM,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and then a stop at a Wells Fargo in South Baltimore.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And the police have the security footage from inside the bank,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and the.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Footage is striking precisely because of how mundane it is.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Akia is standing by herself at the teller counter. She
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is presenting paperwork for cashier's checks.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: She doesn't look panicked, not at all.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: She doesn't look disheveled, she isn't looking over her shoulder,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: she doesn't look like she's under distress or being coerced
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: by anyone Off camera. She calmly collects large sums of money.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: And the friend who drove her, who again is highly
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: cooperative and officially not a suspect, tells police that Akia
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: was getting all this cash in these checks, specifically so
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: she and the baby's father could finally put down a
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: deposit and get a house together.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: After this bank rin the friend drops Akia back at
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: her apartment and that is it. She walks inside and
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: she is never seen again.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Just gone.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Now Initially, the police floated a theory to the family.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: They suggested that maybe a Kia was duped, or maybe
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: she just took all that money, decided the parsure was
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: too much, and voluntarily walked away to start a new
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: life somewhere with a new name.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I have to pause here because I push back on
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this theory so hard. Just how from a purely logistical standpoint,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: how does a twenty two year old woman who is
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: eight months pregnant just walk away and go completely off
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the grid?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, it is
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a theory that completely falls apart the moment you apply
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: critical analysis to the biological and medical realities of her situation.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you, because she wasn't just pregnant. Her medical records
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: showed her baby was breached. Yes, her doctors had ordered
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: her on strict bed rest. Let's talk about what that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: actually means physically. If you are on strict bed rest
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: at eight months, your mobility is practically zero. The physical
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: strain on the cervix, the pain, the risk to the baby.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: You can barely walk to the kitchen, let alone hike
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to a bus station with luggage. And because the baby
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: was brouch, meaning the child's head was not positioned downward.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Her doctors told her she would require a sea section
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to deliver.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Safely, which is major invasive abdominal surgery.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Exactly, you don't just hop on a greyhound bus to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: start a new life under an assumed name when you
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: literally require a team of surgeons, an operating room, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: heavy anesthesia in four weeks just to survive childbirth. How
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: do you go off the grid when you require a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: hospital bed.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: You can't. And this is where medical details transcend being
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: merely sad anecdotes. They become empirical behavioral evidence. Yeah, the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: physiological impossibility of running away with the breach baby requiring
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a sea section, combined with the fact that she left
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: her beloved two year old daughter behind, combined with the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: nine hundred dollars deposit into a baby shower she was
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: eagerly anticipating, Right, these are not the actions of someone
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: staging a voluntary disappearance. The medical logistics alone saysomatically destroy
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the runaway theory.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It just points to foul play. You cannot have a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: baby in the woods by yourself under those conditions. Her
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: stepfather says they suspected foul play from day one. The
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: FBI eventually stepped in, offering a twenty five thousand dollars reward,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: but still nothing. No hospital in the country has a
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: record of her giving birth. It is just a haunting
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: total silence.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: It is in a key is case. The silence is
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the defining characteristic of the tragedy. The silence of her
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: social media, the silence of the people who won't speak
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: to the family, the lack of any digital footprint or
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: hospital intake forms. It is an agonizing void for her
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: loved ones. But this raises a fascinating contrast when we
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: look at how investigations function. What happens when the people
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: surrounding a missing person don't stay silent? Oh boy? What
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: do investigators do when a secondary character in a case
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: decides to insert themselves into the narrative in the loudest,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: most bizarre, and wildly inappropriate way possible. When the noise
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: is so loud it threatens to bury the outbol evidence.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that brings us to our third case, the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: disappearance of Adam Mills. And if you thought the puzzle
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: pieces didn't fit before, we are leaving the realm of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: standard investigative procedure and entering an absolute psychological funhouse.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The setting here is crucial. We are in Milton, Wisconsin,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: a tiny, quaint town of about fifty five hundred people,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: very small. This is a place where everyone knows everyone,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and a major crime isn't just as statistic, it's a
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: community wide shockwave. Right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So, Adam Mills is a devoted family man. He lives
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: with his wife and two young kids. And one night,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: he and his wife get into an argument. It was
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a normal, mundane catalyst. Adam decides he just needs a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: breather to cool off, so he walks out of the house.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, he leaves his phone on the counter, he leaves
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: his keys behind, and he just starts walking east down
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the street and he vanishes.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It says the kind of sudden disappearance that shakes a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: small town to its core. Within hours, the family is
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: blanketing the town with flyers. They're organizing search parties, setting
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: up Facebook pages. Yeah, they are immediately terrified because Adam
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: made zero attempts to contact his parents or siblings, and,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: knowing his baseline behavior, that immediate lack of communication signals
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: foul play to his loved ones.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Right But while the family is desperately out there searching
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the woods for Adam. The police get a tip from
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: someone very close to him, his wife, and this is
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: where it turns. Yeah, and she brings the detectives a
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: story that completely derails the entire folk here to the investigation.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: It turns out Adam's wife had been seeing a therapist
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: for about a year, a licensed professional counselor named Gary Jones. Okay, Now,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Jones had diagnosed her with a very specific, highly complex
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: mental health condition, dissociative identity disorder, which most people know
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: by its former name multiple personality disorder. And we need
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to pause and establish what that diagnosis actually means in
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a clinical setting.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Dissociative identity disorder is typically rooted in profound, repeated childhood trauma.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It involves a severe fragmentation of identity as a coping mechanism. Okay,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So when a therapist diagnoses a patient with d D,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that therapist is essentially telling the patient your mind is fractured,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and I am the expert who is going to guide
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you through this incredibly vulnerable, terrifying landscape. Right. The therapeutic
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: relationship is supposed to be an impenetrable, safe, boundaried environment.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But according to the wife's police report, the moment Adam vanished,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Gary Jones completely obliterated those boundaries. He became obsessed with her.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Obsessed is putting it mildly. The husband goes missing, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: instead of providing objective support, Jones starts calling her at
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: all hours of the day and night. Oh no, he
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: shows up at our house uninvited. He professes his undying
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: love for her, tells her he is leaving his own wife,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and suddenly kisses her. He's bombarding her with frantic text messages.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: One of the texts he set read quote I miss you,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I love you. I had one of the greatest nights
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of my life with you. And the wife's reply, she
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: texts him back, slow down. My husband has only been
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: gone for two and a half weeks.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It is a staggering, catastrophic breach of professional ethics. Yeah,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and we know all of this because it is meticulously
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: documented in a two hundred and sixty eight page case
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: file in the Wisconsin Department of Safety and Professional Services.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: But the romantic obsession isn't even the craziest part.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: It gets worse.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Oh here's where it gets really interesting, because Gary Jones
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't just texting her about leaving his wife. He was
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: actively trying to convince his traumatized patient that he possessed
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: supernatural psychic powers regarding her missing husband. He summons her
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to his office and claims he is having visions.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: He attributes these visions to a clinical technique he calls
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: brain spotting.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Brain spotting right now.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Brain spotting in actual therapeutic practice, is a somatic therapy.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It's based on the idea that where you look affects
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: how you feel, and that certain eye positions can help
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: patients access and process unprocessed trauma in the cortical brain. Okay,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it is a debated but recognized clinical tool. Yeah, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: that is not how Gary Jones was using it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: No, he warps it into some kind of dark magic.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: He tells the police, and he actually sits in an
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: interrogation room and admits to the cops that this sounds weird.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: That during a session his patient, Missus Mills, touched a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: physical sphere in his office, a sphere, a sphere, and
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: he claims she put quote evil stuff inside it. Then
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Jones says he touched the sphere and he felt a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: literal electrical charge shoot through his body, and this electrical
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: charge apparently unlocked a hyper specific psychic frequency in his brain.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: The details of his visions are highly disturbing, specifically tailored
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to inflict maximum emotional distress on a grieving spouse. Yeah,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: he claimed he saw a creature covered in mud, which
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: he confidently interpreted as a sign that Adam's body was
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: decomposing in a local swamp. He also told the wife
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: he had a vivid vision of Adam dead inside a
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: garbage can, describing his arms as being scrunched up, his
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: head twisted sideways, and his eyes wide open.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, how does a detective even document that in
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: an official police report without throwing the guy out of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the room. It is like watching a bad daytime soap
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: opera hijack a real world, heartbreaking tragedy. You have a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: family frantically putting up flyers for a missing father, begging
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: for real clues, and meanwhile, this licensed professional is taking
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: up police resources talking about electrical evil spheres and swamp monsters.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: It's like a bystander at a horrific car crash shoving
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the paramedics out of the way to try and convince
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: everyone he's a wizard. It is profoundly unhelpful, and it
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: derails the actual search for Adam.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question, though, because it forces us
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: to examine the mechanics of psychological vulnerability and grooming. When
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: people hear this, the immediate questions always why did the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: wife even entertain this man? Why respond to his texts
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: instead of immediately blocking his number and firing him.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: She actually addressed that she denied having a physical romantic
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: relationship with him, but she admitted to at least that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: she thought about entertaining his advances as a way to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: not be homeless after Adam went missing.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and that is a sobering, grim reality of how
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: trauma affects decision making. Look at her psychological state. She
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: is in a state of profound chaos. The primary breadwinner
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: or partner is suddenly gone without a trace. She has
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: two young children looking to her for answers, and she
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: is terrified of losing her home and her ability to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: feed them. And into that sheer terror steps an authority figure,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: her therapist, right, someone who already holds a position of
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: immense psychological power over her, especially having diagnosed her with
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: a dissociative disorder. He leverages that power, He exploits that
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: terror in vulnerability. It is a textbook predatory dynamic masquerading
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: his care He is creating a trauma bond when she
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: is at her absolute lowest.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And it ultimately rightfully costs him his career. He was
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: forced to surrender his therapy license because the state case
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: files show he actually had multiple romantic wreath relationships with
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: other patients as well. Oh wow, But the climax of
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: this whole bizarre side show happens when investigative reporter Brian
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Paulson decides to track Gary Jones down at his house.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Pulson wants to ask him on camera about these psychic
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: visions and his surrendered license.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: The confrontation is explosive and it reveals the true volatility
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: of the man who's supposed to be a calming mental
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: health professional. Yes, Paulson is standing on the public street
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: asking Jones about the dead body in the garbage convision,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: asking how he justifies his actions.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: And Jones completely loses his mind. He threatens to have
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the reporter arrested, calling him a piece of crap, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: then he escalates it to a terrifying lethal level. He
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: brandishes a.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Gun, a literal gun.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: He actually pulls a weapon, steps behind a bush on
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: his front lawn and starts screaming. The reporter is literally
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: on camera holding his microphone saying is that a gun
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: in your hand? Gary? And calling the police right there
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: on the sidewalk. Unbelievable, and Jones is yelling from the bushes,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't aim it in your direction. Quit being a liar,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: while the camera is clearly recording him holding the weapon.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It is a shocking display of instability. But and this
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is the most critical point to reiterate when we look
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: at the actual investigation Vadam Mills. Despite the unethical affairs,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the lost medical license, the gun brandishing, and the bizarre
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: electrical sphere visions, the police have stated definitively that there
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: is not a single shred of physical evidence connecting either
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Gary Jones or Adam's wife to Adam's actual disappearance.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Which is the most agonizing part of this entire story,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: because after all that noise, after all that absolute circus behavior,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: it leaves Adam's family exactly where they started on day one.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Years later, they are still just pleading for someone to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: let them know if he's alive or dead. Yeah, So
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: what does this all mean when we step back and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: look at these three cases together. Whether it's the chaotic
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: street brawl and the meat cleaver couple in Tim Meagan's case,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the quiet, medically impossible trip to the bank before a
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Kia vanished, or the absolute hijacking of an investigation by
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: an opportunistic therapist with his evil spear in Adam Mills's case,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: these sources prove that reality is infinitely stranger and much
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: messier than any fiction, and.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: We can't forget the human element anchoring all this weirdness.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: The jigsaw puzzle analogy is apt because behind every bizarre timeline,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: anomaly or psychic vision, there is a grieving family trapped
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in a nightmare waiting for the final piece to fall
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: into place. Definitely, you have Tim's young nephews who will
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: only ever know their entrepreneurial uncle through stories. You have
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Akia's daughter growing up without the mother who love to
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: dance and sing with her, constantly wondering what happened after
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that bankrupt Yeah, and you have Adam's family in a
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: small Wisconsin town forced to watch a side show while
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: just desperately wanting an answer about their son.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: It is absolutely heartbreaking, but it really fundamentally changes the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: way you look at the mechanics of a crime scene
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and how humans behave when the worst thing imaginable happens.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It does, and I want to leave the listener with
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: this thought to ponder as we wrap up. When we
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: look at cases that are completely bogged down by wildly
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: bizarre elements, like a couple prone to random acts of
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: severe violence who just happen to be at a murder scene,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: or a disgraced therapist waving a gun and talking about
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: electrical spheres, we have to ask ourselves a really uncomfortable question. Okay,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: do these incredibly strange distractions actually help hide the true
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: perpetrators in plain sight? When the police, the media, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the public are all busy staring at the loudest, weirdest
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: person in the room. Does human weirdness provide the perfect
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: natural camouflage for actual calculated malice.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: That is a chilling thought, a jigsaw puzzle where the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: pieces that don't fit aren't just mistakes, they are actually
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: designed to distract you from the ones that do. Thank
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you for joining us for the steep dive. Stay curious,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: keep questioning the narratives around you, and we'll catch you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: next time.