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#320 - For Azeroth!: “Back to Blizzcon” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  For Azeroth, we're not going to talk about the return to the MDI
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  and the death of the MDI. The death of the MDI.
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  Blizzard is no longer doing the MDI format.
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  It will be the great push format going forward.
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  I saw the AWCMDI stuff and I saw the dates.
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  I didn't read the article because like I was like, oh,
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  I'll just check it out when it comes in.
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  Sure, let us talk about that too.
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  Here's the article because I in my recent history, let me throw
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  it into our. I'm really bummed out about it
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  because the Great Push is my least favorite.
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  It's hard to replicate the other format too, like it was kind of.
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  You can't. That's the issue is this format
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  is how you play the game. Great push is how the game is
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  played. So it's closer to live?
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  Yeah, AWC is just like running 2V2 and 3V3 arenas.
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  It's closer to live or 3V3 I guess because they're all three.
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  V3 for AWCI think. Wonder if they were seeing
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  difference in numbers and they decided to focus on one.
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  Like they're just like OK, we got to cut 1.
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  You can't support both of these and they're like which one does
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  better in numbers? That's yeah, that mean that
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  would have to be how they decided I'm going to lean back.
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  Fucking exhausted. Yeah, dude, like, you know when
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  I got worried about you? When?
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  When I was like, oh, servers are down and your response are
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  servers are down, which was frightening enough that you
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  didn't know servers are down, but then you said good, and I'm
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  like, should I call them up? No, you better it like if he's
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  if he's awake, he's probably stressed.
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  If he's not awake, he needs that it.
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  Was just, it was just good because I was working so I
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  couldn't have played anyway, but I didn't want to be falling
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  behind. Yeah, yeah, I figured I was just
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  like Sean, happy servers are down.
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  Oh no. Dude this race man fuck lizard.
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  But they keep on making it too easy.
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  Dude it's the hardest race we've had since Sepulcher.
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  It might be harder than Sepulcher.
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  I mean definitely it's shutting and slow down way sooner than
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  sepulchre. It's less bosses, but.
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  Yeah, but I I haven't seen the the like, absolute wall boss
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  that was what was the name? Horin horror blah blah blah.
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  Horrendous Hollandres. Hollandres.
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  It's sticks bunk junker teams have been stuck on them all
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  week. But they're breaking through.
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  I thought it took like 500 pulls for Hollandres.
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  Maybe I can't remember how many Hollanders was a lot, but six
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  junk junk. But like there's there's already
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  200 plus pull bosses in the first four or in the first five.
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  It's wild. And it's expected to go up from
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  there because Blizzard, because Morgan Day literally said in the
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  interview, and I fucking said this in the interview.
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  Morgan Day said in the interview that they want to see a better
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  difficulty curve and they if they had made ration on harder,
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  then the difficulty curve would have been higher going in.
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  And we talked about it on the show how I said that was a
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  fucking bad idea. It's a bad idea, Mandy.
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  They're already nerfing it. The race isn't even fucking
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  over. They're already doing nerves.
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  I understand these people don't. You want them to nerf it rather
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  than it coming in too easy like if if the bump has to be there.
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  The race to world first should never last more than seven days.
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  Seven days, Not even a reset, because you think that reset's
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  too disruptive. It's too and it's just too long.
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  Nobody gives a shit. They're just doing splits.
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  They did. They did splits last week
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  Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and they started Mythic
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  on Saturday, late Friday, early Saturday.
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  So Saturday, Sunday, Monday they did, they did Mythic raid.
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  We had four days of them just doing heroic splits and then
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  they get reset and you know what they did yesterday when they had
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  the reset splits? I think the issue that like, and
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  this is something we could maybe talk about in the the chat, but
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  is we want race to be interesting, but it's arguably
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  more important that actual mythic rating is fun.
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  And if people could realistically clear the entire
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  mythic raid within the first week of it being open, that's
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  the fucking bullshit raid. But they're not.
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  That's the thing. The the the.
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  We should talk about this in the show.
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  Oh, this is the show. The teams.
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  I'll create a new intro. This is the show.
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  Keep going. The teams, the teams that are
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  the teams that are able to clear it in a week are they're doing 3
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  months worth of playing in that week.
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  They're not doing it clearing in a week with gear that you know,
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  it's not patch starts. They go in and I think they
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  clear it. They run so many heroic splits
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  that they're artificially giving themselves the equivalent of 456
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  resets by running the splits. And then they go into the raid
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  they're going in like when, for example, when they did what was
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  the raid that was last Amir? No, not Amir, just the one
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  before that Avarice. When they did Avarice, they
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  killed Sarkareth at the same at the maximum item level.
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  They were able to firmo Max item level for their characters or
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  just close enough to Max before they killed it.
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  So they were killing it at the same item level that regular
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  teams who don't play five days a week for 18 hours a day would
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  need like two months to achieve. And that's fine for me.
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  And I think it's fine if you're able to clear the raid in seven
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  days with the equivalent item level gear that you get from two
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  months of of farming the raid. I think that's OK.
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  That's fair, I guess. I hear you.
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  Maybe you don't know exactly how it works.
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  Maybe I'm I'm tripping out. It like when you think about any
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  of these things that that any of these bosses, even if you were
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  to like, if you're trying to like transpose it to like
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  everyday play. When was the last time the
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  people at home have taken 100 pulls at a boss?
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  That is rare for the home, for the general home teams you're
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  looking at when you're like. A That's super normal.
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  We already we do 100 pulls on bosses they do 2 pulls on.
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  If they're doing 100 pulls, a normal Guild will do 300.
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  But I, I'm saying like for the, for the, for the teams at at
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  home, right, that are playing like two days a Week, 2, two
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  hours or three hours in a in a given night, right, to rack up
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  100 pools on a single ball. Oh, I see what you're saying,
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  right. Yeah, it's, it's four weeks of
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  it's you average 22 to 30 pools a night, depending on how fast
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  you're resetting. If you need 100 pools, that's
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  four nights of rating. If you only rate 2 nights a
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  week, that's two weeks. Right.
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  Yeah, that's fair. That's the compression that
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  that's happening, right? Like even if you're not
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  including all the gear and stuff that are farming out and that
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  like that's that's what I'm saying.
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  Like it's just so compressed. It's like once you reach a
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  certain point, it's not how many weeks did it take you to clear
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  this? It's how many poles because like
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  the weeks almost are irrelevant. They're like just like, OK, now
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  we've with these resources that we've used up, they're back
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  again and now we're going to mine all of those, right.
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  So of course Tuesday and Wednesday for EU were going to
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  be splits. They always are.
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  The fact that it's been so many splits so deep into the week is
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  like telling of like how much power is needed to get through
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  that. The fact that the final boss in
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  Heroic took so long to take down I.
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  Don't think he even still has 100 kills yet.
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  I have I have a hot take that I because my my favorite game on
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  this podcast is to say things that will never happen because
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  we game breaking. I don't know.
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  You said that there wouldn't be a couple of sorry that there
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  would be things and the rest of us were Pooh poohing your hot
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  takes. And apparently your hot takes
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  are valid, but we'll get into that later.
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  Fast stuff. Write this one down because I
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  think it's a good 1/5. 150 heroic kills as of right now,
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  549 Oh wow, that's solid. Sorry, 123552 there you.
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  Go. I think that guilds like E
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  sports team should be able to apply to Blizzard for when the
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  raid drops. Everyone gets Max level gear so
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  they don't have to run splits. Nobody has to watch anyone do
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  splits. You have to you have to get into
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  this program right? So Blizzard is giving you Max
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  level gear. You don't have to grind up the
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  gear. And so you are exclusively
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  racing the world first. And then that would also mean
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  that would mean that you wouldn't have to watch people do
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  splits. That would mean the teams, this
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  would be a much more compressed time.
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  So it'd be much more interesting.
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  And also more people who need to work day jobs would be able to
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  actually do it because they wouldn't have to take off an
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  undisclosed amount of time. You know, it would realistically
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  be within a week. You're like, hey, man, I got to
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  get this week off That's fine. People take weeks off all the
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  time. That's no biggie.
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  And that would mean that you could focus more on skill and
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  you'd have more teams able to get into it.
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  Blizzard could actively recruit additional teams.
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  And again, you're just replying to get your gear so you just get
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  geared up and it allows it to be a full skill, full skill race
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  and not a who can take the most time off of work and or be
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  exclusively employed playing a video game that hasn't been in
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  its golden age for probably close to a decade.
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  Don't quote me on that. I love World of Warcraft, but
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  let's be real. Which world first kill is the
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  real world? World first kill then Lex?
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  The one where Blizzard gives you all the gear?
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  The one where you actually do it on live servers.
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  The one where Blizzard gives you all the the gear because
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  everyone OK, but every team who realistically would be within
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  the race would go through the application program.
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  Do you OK? Do you actually want to watch
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  people do splits? Is is that something do you
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  enjoy or do you just feel like it ought to happen?
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  I don't enjoy it. I don't think it should happen.
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  I think we should just have a heroic week every year and then
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  we don't have to watch them. Heroic week coming back, man, I
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  kind of want to go back to an early episode.
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  I feel like you're on the other side of the fence when we were
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  talking about Heroic Week. No, I loved Heroic Week last
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  time because it let me go through the story and enjoy it.
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  Who was against Heroic Week? I thought I was totally on board
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  with Heroic Week. I was like, oh, they should.
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  And I swear, somebody, somebody was like, Oh no, we've got the
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  gear. It's not going to be.
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  That's why they're not doing it. Yeah.
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  But that's no I I loved her a week don't you Remember Me
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  saying how much I enjoyed the taking my time and enjoying the
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  story I. Swear it was the discussion on
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  the show. I, I I what I.
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  What you might be remembering, I was not sure how I felt about
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  the fact that we purchased Early Access.
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  I still don't. Know no smile, you gaslighting
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  us. No, I'm not.
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  I love to that's. Just what Sean's face looks
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  like. Yeah, I, I mean, I don't think
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  Blizzard can get involved in the race world first that way.
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  As soon as you add an application process, now they
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  have to vet every team. And if we're being honest, not
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  all of these teams are made-up of awesome people.
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  That's even better. We we stay winning.
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  Let's get rid of did all the all the crappies get out they
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  they're removed from the race world first.
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  We're only good people because one thing about Blizzard is that
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  they've never hired or promoted a bad person.
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  It's true. It's true, and you can take that
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  to the J Allen Bank. All right.
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  I will say that I'm on the short side with this, just because the
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  community just wouldn't go along with it.
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  They would have two separate breakdowns.
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  In fact, all the people that Blizzard would bounce, if they
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  started bouncing, people would just be like, yeah, OK, we're
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  just doing our own on live servers and it's a real race
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  world first because that's got all the pedigree.
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  It's just. We have the achievement on our
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  characters and the gear on our characters and you don't.
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  What if we just banned them? For for wanting to play the
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  games that we. Can't play World of Warcraft?
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  Ever. Yeah.
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  I just don't think it works. Yeah.
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  Everyone got Max level gear at the start of this.
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  I think Blizzard, we talked and this is something, I mean, this
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  goes back to I don't want to be like this.
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  I don't because I love Blizzard, I love this game, and I think
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  the company does great. But we're back in a situation
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  where they have said something in interviews multiple times,
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  multiple tiers in a row, and they just consistently do the
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  opposite. I feel like I'm listening to
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  politicians sometimes because they came out and said at the
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  end of Sepulchre we want to end this arms race with world first
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  teams. We don't want to keep driving
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  the difficulty higher to try and compete with world first teams
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  because of the experience it makes for everyone else.
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  And we're right now in the hardest raid they've ever
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  released today. So far so far watch Watch the
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  next 4 bosses. Sorry next three bosses cause
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  many teams are now beaten 5. That's a bigger problem, right?
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  And it's like. Just imagine the next three
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  bosses start falling over easier and easier.
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  I mean, we did already get a world's first kill on
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  Galliwicks, so why risk is over twice?
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  Yeah. And Tindrell.
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  Oh yeah, Smulder on Tindrell and and Farrakh, you know, we don't
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  want there to be this wall of difficulty.
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  We don't want that to exist. We want to make a smoother
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  gradual curve. The very next they, they said
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  that while they were making ovenacks, they came out and gave
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  us and gave us that point while they were making ovenacks.
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  And then they released ovenacks to put that wall in the middle
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  of the raid. And then they came out for them
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  and they're like, we're really not happy with the way that that
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  curve was. We really don't want to see that
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  kind of wall in the middle of the raid.
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  We're shocked that this happened.
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  We, how could anybody ever seen this?
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  We wanna make sure it doesn't happen again.
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  And to fix that, we're gonna make it all super hard.
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  You're gonna love the Race to World first.
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  It's gonna be an amazing four week event.
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  You know why people like Classic?
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  That raid's cleared in 45 minutes.
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  That's why they like it. They could do the raid.
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  They can go back and talk to their wife or their husband.
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  That's true. One thing about Classic that we
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  all know is that nobody had marital issues because they've.
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  No Warcraft classic. Classic, classic and.
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  Vanilla are two different beats that said.
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  Right, both of. You are talking in hyperbole
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  here, right? And you bring some bring some
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  reality back to it. Yes, they were creating those
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  bosses while they were holding interviews, but the tuning was
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  nowhere near done when they were saying those things.
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  And it's the tuning that's. Really causing that then made
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  the tuning harder but. Like but really, especially with
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  overnight cause overnight overnext changed from like when
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  it was being tested to like how it came out.
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  Oh, congratulations to you, right.
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  The testing on, on this raid, like we, I don't think we had
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  any idea that the tuning would be what it is.
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  And this like literally based on numbers that they ratcheted up
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  and I think they just put ratcheted too high because you
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  were you were doing PTR testing. Did you foresee this happening?
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  I don't think there was really the signs.
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  I said that I think sticks might be a problem because you have to
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  do it based on the balls and then I said everything I said
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  was based on tuning. But how can they get proper
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  tuning when they have this? Testing mythic bosses in LFR
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  here. But they've done a decent job in
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  previous tiers outside of the stand out stand out ones that
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  were more mechanically like what the hell right in tuning to a
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  very decent level. Like you were just saying,
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  Narrabar was like such a great rate outside of Ovanax when you
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  look at. But I'm I'm only saying that
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  because I was in a Guild that could clear Ovanax. 2000 guilds
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  disbanded on Ovanax. Yes, you know what I mean.
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  Just because this cup of milk has less feces in it doesn't
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  mean I want to drink it anymore than the cup that is just feces.
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  It's still a feces cup. I feel again like the hyperbole
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  in the metaphors and everything, right?
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  But like you talked about avarice and now Therian was a it
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  was a big one there. And that was them really
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  dropping the ball with the with the hidden auras, right?
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  And the heart mechanic, yeah. And have it, yeah.
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  And having it like be too demanding with like people
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  having to go out of their way to, to make it accessible.
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  That to me isn't the same issue as they, as they're having right
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  now. Ovnax and Nefarian were
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  literally complexity mechanical nightmares, as you've talked
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  about before. This one just seems like
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  everything is just ratcheted up a little bit too much.
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  They were anticipating a bit more out of these teams than
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  than they had in the past. And when they were trying to
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  make that difficulty curve, they're like, OK, we'll bring
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  these bosses up. But then they had like after
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  that first boss, it's wide open. You can go to any of these
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  bosses. And so instead of having a boss
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  2, boss three, all of them are boss fours like that that can
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  feed into this. Like there's there's things when
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  I look at this raid that I'm like, I could see where this is
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  where these bosses they weren't quite sure who was going to who
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  was going to be boss two and who was going to be boss four.
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  And they all they all kind of feel like boss boss fours.
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  They don't have wings like in in the world tree one where it's
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  like, oh, we know after boss two, either one of these is boss
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  three and either one of these are boss four and you can swing
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  between them and make them boss five and six.
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  So they're like made those bosses relative, right.
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  So like I just, I feel like it's the RAID structure, it's the
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  tuning, it's not the exact same issue as the mechanical drops
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  that they did before I think. They should make I'm afraid.
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  Sorry Sean, I'll let you make an actual point in a second after I
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  make my stupid idiot point. No, mine's a stupid idiot point
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  too. It's so exciting.
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  They should make a you just go in the middle and it's like a
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  wagon wheel and all of the bosses, you could do it anytime.
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  So they all have to be boss nines.
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  I'm sorry, Sean, what's your point?
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  I think Blizzard should have an internal team that has to be
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  able to kill the bosses before they release them and then they
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  would know how the tuning was. Oh.
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  And then they get to play. They could have fun with their
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  besties. I.
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  Blizzard has an internal team. I doubt that killed these bosses
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  outside of being fully Max geared.
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  Blizzard has an internal internal team like they've said
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  so in the past, they do adjust the numbers based on that that
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  testing. So the internal team you're
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  right did did not complete this at this level.
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  They wait till live and they play it with their friends and
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  and their groups. There are Blizzard employees
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  that like. That's no good.
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  I don't that's I'm I'm so tired of this cycle.
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  It's like such a horrible cycle of abuse.
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  It's like we release the raid. It's too hard.
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  We nerfed the raid and and and it goes up.
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  There was one boss that didn't get nervous until Blizzard dev
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  teams got to it. And there was the Scarn, the dev
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  who made it, got to it and killed.
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  And they were like, we actually have to change this because
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  we're not happy with this. And then they nerfed it.
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  Or they they they buffed it and pulled the ladder up for the
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  whole Hall of Fame teams afterwards.
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  No, no, no, I remember that specific, that specific dev and
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  the changes were in place and be and being committed.
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  And then his team beat it and he was like, oh, I hate that my
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  team beat it. Beat it because I know what's
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  coming, right? So like it wasn't that like, oh,
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  it wasn't like there's the there's this entire thing of
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  like would bosses get nerfed? Ian's just completed or got to
• 20:00
  that. I'm just saying maybe, maybe if
• 20:04
  we took a little bit more time between tears, they could
• 20:07
  release raids that weren't broken and needed to be needed
• 20:12
  to be dealt this way. It's very frustrating.
• 20:16
  It's very especially is it like I'm a fan.
• 20:18
  I I haven't watched any of this race to world first as a fan, I
• 20:21
  don't enjoy it. It's not fun for me.
• 20:23
  As soon as the team's going to splits, I turn it off.
• 20:25
  That's not enjoyable. And the raid taking the raid
• 20:28
  taking longer. Well, I'm not coverage.
• 20:30
  I just do recaps, but the raid taking long, like I I've watched
• 20:33
  zero of the race to world first outside of the clips that I get
• 20:37
  sent in the morning for the videos.
• 20:38
  That's it. The raid taking as long as it's
• 20:42
  taking isn't fun for the viewers.
• 20:44
  It's not fun for the teams. You know what I mean?
• 20:46
  It might be fun. Maybe one guy who has hot takes
• 20:49
  post a tweet and says it's great that this is this raid is so
• 20:51
  hard as such a banger. I love it like that's it.
• 20:55
  That one person enjoys it. Like when you have to do
• 20:58
  multiple levels of nerfs just for regular teams to be able to
• 21:01
  do it. I don't care enough for to to
• 21:04
  It's very frustrating for me. I'm I'm very, very frustrated
• 21:07
  with it. Very, very frustrated.
• 21:09
  With it, my personal opinion is that I would like these raids.
• 21:13
  To be just do you watch the race the world first?
• 21:18
  I, I watch it on occasion. I don't, I don't watch often or
• 21:25
  like just because, like we already talked about how some of
• 21:28
  these teams are filled with less than desirable people.
• 21:32
  So no, I don't typically watch watch the race the world first
• 21:37
  because I don't. I have those issues, but I will
• 21:41
  tune, tune it, especially when it's coming to an end.
• 21:43
  Be like, oh man, like how are these teams doing?
• 21:46
  Or like it when I hear that there's a.
• 21:47
  Wall then. I'll.
• 21:50
  See you in a month then. See you in a month then perhaps.
• 21:54
  But I, I do agree with you. I don't think it should be
• 21:56
  taking a month. I think that ideally I would
• 22:00
  like a race to go less than two weeks, but I would want it to go
• 22:04
  beyond a reset. But like part of that is that
• 22:09
  like for me, I think that's a, for somebody who like will hear
• 22:13
  about it in the background and will never get to that that
• 22:16
  point. It's enough of a story to be
• 22:18
  like, oh, the teams went in today and they got the 1st 2
• 22:21
  bosses and now they're up against this boss and this boss
• 22:23
  is hard. It's like, OK, that'll be cool.
• 22:25
  When I reach, they reach that boss maybe on mythic or like
• 22:31
  maybe the heroics there or and then like later on they'll be
• 22:34
  like, Oh yeah, they broke through that.
• 22:36
  It's like, oh cool, is other team going to catch up and beat
• 22:39
  that like that? To me, that's the story that I
• 22:41
  hear through the community and that is interesting to to go
• 22:45
  with Raid. That was really short.
• 22:50
  I can easily jump back to the Emerald Nightmare and it was
• 22:55
  just done. And everyone's like, well,
• 22:58
  Blizzard, I know it's an introductory raid, but come on.
• 23:00
  We didn't even make a reset. Like it.
• 23:03
  Like you're always going to hear from somebody loudly that
• 23:06
  they're doing it wrong because it is a large community.
• 23:14
  It would be larger if it was more accessible.
• 23:17
  So I think that airing on your side, Sean, is the right way to
• 23:21
  go about it. But.
• 23:23
  You know he could make it even more accessible.
• 23:26
  There are there are there are teams that like they're Prague
• 23:29
  teams that are being told don't bother Prague in this boss till
• 23:31
  it gets nerfed. It's not going to get nerfed
• 23:33
  till the race world first is done.
• 23:34
  So just go do mythic plus on your raid nights.
• 23:37
  That's terrible. It happened last year.
• 23:38
  It's happening this year. It's it's a terrible, terrible
• 23:42
  experience for for mythic raid teams that are higher.
• 23:43
  I I do agree, I think that like All in all seriousness, it is
• 23:47
  ridiculous to release any part of the game that has not been
• 23:50
  tested the way that it would be played.
• 23:53
  And I think that we, I would so deeply much prefer and I've,
• 24:02
  I've felt this with so many things and I, I will say I do I,
• 24:06
  I could be wrong because it's always recency bias, but I feel
• 24:08
  like I've been feeling it more often where like I would just
• 24:14
  rather have solid, well tested patches than quick patches by
• 24:20
  like a mile. There's OK, there's some truth
• 24:23
  to what you're saying, but there's also the recency bias.
• 24:25
  I don't think that you're like exactly like wrong or exactly
• 24:30
  right, but like the way that they have been doing the raids
• 24:34
  and putting it out. As far as I'm aware, and I'm not
• 24:39
  a Blizz dev and I'm I don't know what the internal teams has not
• 24:42
  dramatically changed in several expansions.
• 24:46
  I'm talking about like you got to go before Legion, right?
• 24:54
  Like before I like I, I thinking before I really knew how the,
• 24:59
  how the hot dog was made about these raid teams, right?
• 25:04
  And even then they had internal teams.
• 25:07
  They're like, Hey, this is what our internal internal team did.
• 25:10
  We expected the world first Raiders to be X amount, X amount
• 25:15
  better. We ratcheted it up by that
• 25:17
  amount and hey, we were off because they were that much
• 25:20
  better or that much or that much worse.
• 25:23
  That's how it's been since like Legion.
• 25:27
  Don't stop giving interviews where you're saying we're not
• 25:29
  going to do that anymore. No, just stop.
• 25:32
  Gaslighting us, but like Ian, the the amount that they change
• 25:35
  it and the amount that they ratcheted up and like what they
• 25:37
  expect a second and third boss to be has changed and has
• 25:42
  altered and they've missed the mark in different ways and like
• 25:46
  the wall bosses, right? I haven't seen in this expansion
• 25:56
  a wall boss that is because hey, my health or numbers are so high
• 26:03
  that you just you need perfect coordination.
• 26:07
  It has been a matter of mechanical execution in the two,
• 26:15
  in the two examples that we were saying before, where is like the
• 26:20
  the speed at which you need to get these things in the way that
• 26:24
  you need to line them is too demanding on a human mind.
• 26:27
  And like Blizzard, why would you expect people to do that?
• 26:30
  You're you're acting as if they had full on weak or weak ores
• 26:34
  when you just removed weak ores. I should also say, just to kind
• 26:39
  of back up a little bit, that I don't care about the race world
• 26:41
  first. I just, Sean said something that
• 26:43
  I got to latch on with my grubby little wet Blizzard employees.
• 26:47
  Take a nap, pause and I will hold on for dear life.
• 26:51
  And so now I firmly believe that we need more time between
• 26:53
  because it's for the race world first, because I care so much
• 26:55
  and I really want to make sure that it's well tested and not
• 26:58
  because I sometimes think about the poor Blizzard employees
• 27:01
  doing crunch time. And I want, I want, I want them
• 27:03
  to go to bed. Yeah, that's the race though.
• 27:06
  Race is happening. It's still ongoing.
• 27:07
  If you're listening to this show in, I don't know, June, it might
• 27:10
  still be happening. Give us your thoughts on it.
• 27:13
  Jump over to bit dot LY slash fast discord.
• 27:15
  But let's switch gears. Let's talk about something that
• 27:17
  released, tuned super well and very accessible that had nobody
• 27:21
  can complain about. And let's talk about Tank brand.
• 27:25
  Wow. OK, so this has been a point of
• 27:30
  contention not for me race the world first guys, but for all of
• 27:36
  the healers and all of some of the people who had off healing
• 27:40
  that were using Bran to absolutely trash delves in week
• 27:47
  1. And like myself, I didn't use
• 27:52
  tank Bran, but like I've I've had a several friends and
• 27:57
  definitely some streamers and different reports of people
• 28:00
  using tank brand and they've been using various things to
• 28:03
  have tank brand basically mow down the delve for them.
• 28:10
  Now, the changes that they've made do still allow healers to
• 28:16
  work effectively with Bran, but it requires a lot more
• 28:21
  coordination. And I think that generally this
• 28:25
  is good. But let's talk a little bit
• 28:26
  about these changes. The big one is that overall tank
• 28:33
  Bran is going to be just flat out weaker.
• 28:36
  It was the goal. They took the electrocharge
• 28:41
  gadgets, which was this buff that Bran, every time he got
• 28:47
  healed, would gain a stacking buff to do more damage.
• 28:51
  If you got the all the stacks up, he was doing like 500%
• 28:56
  damage. He was doing five times the
• 28:59
  amount of damage that he he normally would and it was
• 29:03
  amazing. The they've changed it so that
• 29:07
  you actually have to actively heal him.
• 29:09
  He's not just going to get these stacks from Hots, which was
• 29:13
  something that that people were doing.
• 29:16
  They've also changed it so that it has an internal cool down so
• 29:20
  you don't just spam the heels and then send him into combat.
• 29:25
  It's you have to heal him every 5 seconds for the internal
• 29:31
  cooldown before before he gets another stack.
• 29:36
  They've reduced the amount of stacks, but they've increased
• 29:40
  the percentage that the stacks get and overall it does work out
• 29:44
  to being like less overall damage.
• 29:50
  But then on top of that they changed another one which was
• 29:56
  the which was his bear Tank Brand was like that vanilla
• 30:02
  vanilla hunter from the from the the cinematic and tank bear.
• 30:10
  The tank bear was pretty strong. They nerfed that too.
• 30:14
  Brand himself also got just a blanket nerve.
• 30:17
  He takes 60% more damage, That's a huge one, and the one that I
• 30:23
  might most point to if this is considered an overcorrection is
• 30:27
  that his base damage that he takes is huge.
• 30:31
  But it does mean that the 20% health nerf that they gave him
• 30:39
  is felt that much more. So if you are a off healer tank
• 30:44
  Brand is really not a not that viable anymore.
• 30:50
  He it's not a solution. If you're a dedicated healer,
• 30:52
  tank brand is still viable. It's just that he requires like
• 30:57
  some dedication to it and you're going to find yourself healing
• 31:01
  more and DPS ING less. Whereas before you could just
• 31:04
  sort of be like, OK, let me work, Let me give Bran a little
• 31:08
  bit of attention. OK, go back to DPS ING in my in
• 31:11
  my heel spec. So yeah, it's it's a big change
• 31:16
  for Tank brand. I really wish this had come out
• 31:20
  and these changes had been pushed before it got off of PTR.
• 31:25
  It's not their fault, they probably just didn't test them
• 31:27
  with a druid. A druid, A disc priest, A Miss
• 31:33
  Weaver monk, A shaman. These guys are naming every heal
• 31:37
  spec. Holy priest.
• 31:40
  They did it with a holy priest. They ran 11 delve with one holy
• 31:44
  priest and said this is fine, ship it.
• 31:47
  Hey who's tuning the race? World first?
• 31:48
  Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter tank.
• 31:50
  Just give it the same numbers as tank brand.
• 31:56
  Salty Shawn today. Like, like, sorry, yeah, it's
• 31:59
  been a long race. It's a long race.
• 32:05
  Yeah, this. This would be something fun.
• 32:07
  Maybe. Maybe.
• 32:08
  Lex, you're going to dust off your old priest.
• 32:11
  Do we take Tan break out? I I I have thought about it, I
• 32:15
  will say so I have I have many thoughts on this.
• 32:18
  So first I finally to delves congratulations me.
• 32:20
  They're under tuned to Hal it like crazy easy.
• 32:25
  I I'm and like but it'll make other points that'll make that
• 32:28
  sound less condescending. If you're struggling with jobs,
• 32:30
  there's a lot of reasons why you might be struggling with jobs.
• 32:31
  It's not your fault. You're perfect, you're amazing,
• 32:33
  you're the best player of World Warcraft.
• 32:34
  You should be on the race world first team and they should just
• 32:36
  give you Max level gear so you can go And then there'd be
• 32:38
  actual competition moving on. It does it seem like tank ran
• 32:43
  was too overtuned even to the fact that delves are undertuned?
• 32:48
  And so I do think that it's good that they kind of reigned the
• 32:51
  little boy in a little bit. That said, I play a havoc Demon
• 32:55
  Hunter so have I have always been able to wipe the floor with
• 33:01
  delves. I am absurdly overtuned for the
• 33:04
  because I do high damage and I have high leaks and if I like
• 33:07
  pay one ounce of attention to my playstyle I like it's not even
• 33:12
  that I'm good. Like I will then go into raid
• 33:14
  and I'll be like oh God I've forgotten how to do my rotation
• 33:16
  because I don't practice it when I do my delves because all I do
• 33:19
  is kind of button mash and then wait until I see that my health
• 33:22
  is going down and I say oh Lord. And then I hit meta and then I'm
• 33:25
  fine because I did a whoop and our health's back up.
• 33:27
  We're good and occasionally I remember to step in a little
• 33:30
  healing potion like on the final loss.
• 33:33
  And so there is a part of me and I was having a conversation with
• 33:35
  one of my healer friends this week.
• 33:40
  Shout out to Shad, who has to hear every single thought that
• 33:42
  I've ever had, first in Guild Discord and then on for Azeroth
• 33:47
  I. I think that we don't give
• 33:49
  healers enough time to just bop and I what?
• 33:53
  No, no, stop internetting. You can't be, man.
• 34:01
  It feels like we're all, we're on different sides of the
• 34:04
  argument this entire episode. But healer's primary job should
• 34:12
  be to heal, yes. And if you're going to be a
• 34:16
  healer, that should be what you're signing up for.
• 34:18
  Correct? Everybody who is more casual and
• 34:23
  says, like, I'm a healer to heal hates when you jump into a
• 34:26
  mythic plus and oh, I got ADPS and then just heal during these
• 34:33
  emergency situations. You like you want to be do
• 34:36
  contributing without having to be DPS ING right?
• 34:39
  That that's that's an argument that many people say when you
• 34:44
  are in a raid and you're getting and like the healing
• 34:47
  requirements are too low. What's the sorry?
• 34:51
  Like what's the first thing that they start cutting?
• 34:52
  It's like, of course they're going to go with a cut a healer.
• 34:55
  They're going to throw in, throw in more DPS.
• 34:58
  Hell, if, if we can one take it, we're going to throw in more
• 35:01
  DPS. Like it's just it's your, your
• 35:05
  primary role should be valid, should be the important thing
• 35:10
  that you're doing. So if you are signing up as a
• 35:12
  healer with a tank brand, then you should be in there to heal.
• 35:16
  There's no time limitation. That's part of the reason that
• 35:20
  these the delves are. So what's the way you call it,
• 35:25
  Sean? They don't have a fail state if
• 35:27
  you're if you're a tank because they need to do enough damage to
• 35:35
  threatened Sean, but not enough damage to one shot me, which
• 35:39
  means no, they can't threaten Sean, right.
• 35:41
  And that might be part of the entire thing that they're
• 35:43
  talking about, like this entire pullback on defensive so that
• 35:48
  they can bring that that delta more in line.
• 35:51
  But it's not this expansion. So we have a we have a mode
• 35:55
  where if you have a very competent NPC tank that doesn't
• 36:02
  have a fail state that is actually active.
• 36:06
  Well, then why are you going in as a healer?
• 36:11
  You should just go in as off heal.
• 36:14
  And then if you make it so that OK, you need a healer for this.
• 36:18
  Now people are saying that the tank brand is like not viable
• 36:24
  anymore. It's like no tank brand is
• 36:26
  viable. You just need to primarily heal
• 36:29
  him. And if you could just off like
• 36:33
  not think about till like, oh, his health is going down and
• 36:36
  then top him up every so often. Well, then Rhett Palley lay lay
• 36:43
  hands or any other off spec that like gets significant burst
• 36:48
  healing is going to do that. And why are we bringing the
• 36:51
  healer again? Like it's just.
• 36:53
  That's a fair, that's a fair point.
• 36:54
  And maybe to be fair, I have not played tank brand and I kind of
• 36:57
  only learned about this whole situation when tank brand was
• 37:00
  getting nerfed. So maybe I don't understand the
• 37:03
  real issue at hand. And if it is that you kind of go
• 37:08
  into delve with tank Bran and and you just like don't even
• 37:12
  think about him and you don't have to heal him at all.
• 37:14
  I totally agree the healer should do like a little work.
• 37:17
  I just also think that my little healer besties my.
• 37:19
  The healers never get to be the heroes.
• 37:21
  Healers are never don't look at me like that Manny healers.
• 37:25
  They weren't sorry. Like healers weren't being the
• 37:27
  hero here. They throw the they throw the
• 37:29
  hots on him, get him to 500% damage, and then throw a little
• 37:33
  bit of throw a little bit of damage themselves while Bran
• 37:36
  wailed. Everything didn't fair.
• 37:39
  I didn't understand, and in that case, I take it back, take that
• 37:41
  back a little bit, but let the healers still be cooler.
• 37:42
  I want the heal. I want this to be the healers
• 37:44
  Dolph season. I want the healers to be the
• 37:45
  ones who are clearing everything and everyone else like, oh, I'm
• 37:48
  having so much trouble with gear and all my healers like, oh, I'm
• 37:50
  not having trouble with gear. I I do do, do, do not do your
• 37:52
  doves everyone quick. I do my doves in 5 minutes
• 37:54
  because doves are fun for a healer, because it's healer
• 37:57
  season and all the healers having a good time.
• 37:59
  I think I want the healers to bully people.
• 38:01
  I want the healers to be able to go in and make fun of my item
• 38:04
  level. Not just because I'm bad, but
• 38:05
  because healers get all the item levels.
• 38:07
  I want the healers to like be looking at the charts.
• 38:09
  I don't want, I don't want to be on the healer the healers heal
• 38:12
  meters. I want the healers to be on my
• 38:14
  DPS meters. I think this is heal season.
• 38:17
  I think we need a season where the healers get everything.
• 38:18
  Sean, what do you think? Delves might as well be pet
• 38:22
  battles for me. They're so inconsequential in my
• 38:25
  way that I engage with the game. I don't care if tank brand even
• 38:28
  exists. I OK well for the people outside
• 38:33
  of Sean's playing circles, I do want Delves to be a viable way
• 38:39
  to to go. I do want balance to be iterated
• 38:44
  on and made better so that they can continue to support Delves.
• 38:49
  But healer, this wouldn't be healer season because the same
• 38:53
  things that made Brand viable makes make it so that tanks are
• 38:58
  going to do it. And if you're a high damage tank
• 39:00
  in this season, Dells aren't going to challenge you, right?
• 39:06
  And if you need a tank to make healers viable, well then it's
• 39:12
  still the tanks that are doing it.
• 39:14
  So. Like I have to counter this with
• 39:17
  1-2 words, 2 words that that make this argument not valid.
• 39:23
  Invalid. Horrific Visions Horrific
• 39:27
  Visions were scaled differently for tanks, differently for
• 39:31
  healers, and then differently for groups that had a healer in
• 39:34
  it. In the adjustment of the damage
• 39:36
  done and the and the health of the mobs.
• 39:38
  It was a 40% reduction in damage done for mobs that were in a
• 39:41
  group that was a solo healer and and mob health was down by 40
• 39:44
  percent, 20% health reduction damage to the same for for solo
• 39:48
  tanks and groups that were any combination of classes with a
• 39:51
  healer they did they had it was less.
• 39:55
  But they modified it. You don't.
• 39:56
  Need there was a modifier. Whatever the modifier was, they
• 39:59
  figured it out in BFA. Call one of the people you laid
• 40:03
  off and ask them how they did it and do it in delves.
• 40:06
  Well, do you think that that's why they're bringing back
• 40:08
  horrific visions to like, get that, get that data back if they
• 40:11
  don't have? I think they're going to bring
• 40:13
  back horrific visions and tune them like Delves, and I'm going
• 40:15
  to hate them. They're on the, it's on the PTR.
• 40:19
  People are saying that it it feels just like they were
• 40:22
  before, like obviously. Said Delves were going to be
• 40:25
  awesome on the PTRI. Think I I I Blizzard, am I
• 40:31
  wrong? Like having open world content
• 40:34
  be hard. I am.
• 40:35
  Am I wrong? Sorry, Les.
• 40:38
  No, I mean I, I I I I don't I don't really trust Elizabeth
• 40:41
  open world content after delves because I really do think that
• 40:44
  they like I I think the first few like like the the early
• 40:50
  delves was actually potentially some of the more what I wanted
• 40:53
  to see from Delves. I want, I mean like not the
• 40:55
  weird tuning, like not the obviously bassy tuning where it
• 40:58
  was like easier, like it was broken when you did it in a
• 41:01
  group, but it was actually challenging and people were
• 41:04
  actually having a tough way through.
• 41:05
  And I was like, Oh my God, I've been saying for so long Blizzard
• 41:09
  scared of making open world content difficult and I'm so
• 41:11
  worried about that, but apparently not.
• 41:13
  Apparently they will make open world content be difficult and
• 41:16
  that's really exciting and that's really encouraging and
• 41:17
  maybe delves are actually going to be a really good time.
• 41:19
  And then this season dropped. I mean, the end of last season
• 41:21
  and this season dropped and Oh my God, I should not I, I should
• 41:26
  not be able to reach the peak of like the gear level and I I
• 41:30
  guess I'm on 8. So I'm not technically the peak
• 41:32
  of the difficulty, but like basically at the peak of where
• 41:34
  they expect me to be of an entire season's worth of content
• 41:39
  on the first night. That's insane.
• 41:42
  I'm a casual. Like it'll be one thing if I was
• 41:44
  like a super high level person who's like graded mechanics and
• 41:47
  like understands things that are super like and can put
• 41:49
  everything together. And to be fair, I'm havoc and
• 41:51
  again, like I I know that this is particularly easy, but what
• 41:56
  man, this is the most of the content for me and it's it's I'm
• 41:58
  done. I did.
• 41:59
  I've gotten to the point that I want to get to and it's been one
• 42:02
  night. Like, that's baby.
• 42:04
  Lecture World first Delver. OK, so first, first I, I want
• 42:09
  to, I want to respond to Sean's comment, right?
• 42:13
  Oh, which one? Yes, people said that delves
• 42:17
  were engaging in fun on the PTR and some people found it fun and
• 42:23
  engaging on the PTR and maybe those people still found it fun
• 42:27
  in Delves and such. I don't know what the Venn
• 42:31
  diagram is, is there right? But like you and I were on the
• 42:35
  PTR and we're like first brush like, oh, I hope they they do
• 42:40
  something with this right coming.
• 42:42
  And like we were having conversations.
• 42:44
  Sean and I were like really wanting to love Delves.
• 42:48
  We were thinking like, maybe we'll do something like
• 42:50
  community wise with Delves and all that sort of stuff.
• 42:53
  We had these conversations and delves literally crap the bed
• 42:58
  for us. I don't know which delve I
• 43:00
  walked into, but I stepped in something, didn't like the smell
• 43:03
  of it, walked out, and I was done with them.
• 43:06
  And like, I can understand that Dells aren't going to be for me.
• 43:10
  They're not going to be for Sean, and they're not really
• 43:13
  targeted for Sean. And I can also understand Lex,
• 43:16
  that, yeah, like, it sucks that, like, the day you go into it,
• 43:20
  you're already hitting goals that should have been seasonal
• 43:23
  milestones for you. Like, to me, that feels grossly
• 43:27
  undertuned. But I also remember all through
• 43:31
  Season 1, because that's my superpower, remembering what
• 43:35
  happened before where people were like, oh, delves are too
• 43:39
  hard and oh, why am I doing these elevens and not getting
• 43:43
  anything for it? And the developers who aren't
• 43:46
  politicians said, hey guys, we're going to give you these
• 43:50
  rewards. It's going to when you do these
• 43:53
  elevens, you'll get this stuff. But because they give you
• 43:56
  rewards, we're going to bring the difficulty down.
• 43:59
  Why did they do that? Because Manny Superpower
• 44:02
  remembering stuff remembers Tor gas.
• 44:04
  And hey, people hate when they can't get all the rewards that
• 44:09
  are power rewards. And Blizzard makes this content
• 44:12
  that feels mandatory but incredibly restrictive.
• 44:15
  So they've learned that lesson and unfortunately the like we
• 44:21
  said it on this show, I hate that that they're putting
• 44:25
  rewards at elevens because yes, that makes sense that they're
• 44:28
  going to make it weaker and an 8 for you Lex is not actually an
• 44:34
  8. An 8 is like A5 or A6 of last
• 44:38
  season or a four because they've had.
• 44:40
  The well and. I like and this is one thing
• 44:44
  that I have been saying and I felt like a jerk saying this
• 44:47
  back when it felt like Blizzard was shining and everything was
• 44:49
  perfect. And now I kind of feel like a
• 44:50
  genius. I don't, I know, I don't, I
• 44:54
  don't know. They actually won't Blizzard to
• 44:55
  react as much as they do to player feedback.
• 44:58
  I like it often. I think that usually it's good.
• 45:01
  But on the other hand, on occasion I need my game doves to
• 45:05
  say, yeah, I know you guys don't all love this, but it's not for
• 45:08
  you, right? I think like I I I would like
• 45:11
  them to occasionally dig in their heels.
• 45:13
  And I think that this is a place where, and, and maybe maybe this
• 45:16
  is just me, maybe I am the only player in World of Warcraft who
• 45:19
  wants solo content that is actually challenging.
• 45:22
  You're you're not, you're not Lex.
• 45:25
  You are not the only player. There are dozens of us Dozens, I
• 45:28
  swear, Right. But I think what like man, I'm
• 45:36
  hoping that FAZ dev is sharing this with the devs cuz I want
• 45:39
  them all to gather around and be like, you don't want us to
• 45:43
  listen to everything you say and just laughing midnightly.
• 45:47
  Just play the clip back over and over again.
• 45:50
  Make it make it the doorbell ringer.
• 45:53
  Maybe they shouldn't give us everything, Ding Dong.
• 45:56
  Do it, please. I would you put that on my
• 45:59
  tombstone. I do not think that Dame
• 46:01
  developers should give a community as big as World of
• 46:04
  Warcraft everything that the loudest people say.
• 46:07
  I think that they should occasionally be like, I hear you
• 46:10
  guys do think that this is going to be more fun, but it literally
• 46:12
  isn't like psychologically people don't always actually
• 46:15
  know what they want the most. And I also think the delves are
• 46:18
  not like if you're frustrated because you're like, oh, I want
• 46:22
  to be able to do delves so that I like within two minutes so I
• 46:25
  can go do my M plus and have better gear for my M plus.
• 46:28
  Why can't I do delves in 2 minutes?
• 46:29
  And Blizzard says good point and makes you we're gonna do delves
• 46:32
  in 2 minutes. That's not the point.
• 46:34
  The delves were supposed to be for the solo players.
• 46:37
  And if the solo players don't have anything that's like new
• 46:39
  and exciting after the first day, like not even the first
• 46:42
  week, the first day that's you didn't make anything for the
• 46:45
  solo players, you just expanded all the same stuff you already
• 46:48
  had in open world content and gave it a slightly higher gear
• 46:51
  level. I disagree with that because you
• 46:55
  can have something that has a long, a long tail, which they've
• 46:59
  done for a while and people considered it just like the
• 47:02
  Blizzard grind and oh, they're after Maus, so they've walked,
• 47:06
  they've stepped away from that. I would agree that they've
• 47:09
  overcorrected that. That can be an argument that I
• 47:13
  would gladly agree with. But in exchange, they're
• 47:17
  bringing in content more quickly.
• 47:20
  So if you are done with your delve journey and you have and
• 47:23
  you're don't care about filling up your your delvers journey
• 47:26
  bar, that is a that is a thing. And gearing up through delves to
• 47:31
  go to go and do the underpin boss on double question mark,
• 47:35
  which some people have really pushed and done already.
• 47:39
  But like some people have already got KSM in the first
• 47:41
  week. Do I think that that they've
• 47:44
  made keystones too easy after last season?
• 47:48
  I, I don't think I'm going to jump on that train just yet, but
• 47:53
  just like they did with keystones, you can give
• 47:56
  additional stretch goals just like they did with Tor gas.
• 48:00
  Structure it in a way so that people definitively know that
• 48:03
  this is for the challenge. Make it the mask at the end of
• 48:09
  at the end of your horrific visions.
• 48:11
  Make it the extra room at the end of Tor gas where you
• 48:15
  complete it. And now it's like, here's this
• 48:17
  bonus thing like this is going to be an extra challenging.
• 48:21
  This is Dell, Dell level gold, Dell level silver, Dell level
• 48:25
  bronze. Work your way through these on
• 48:28
  challenge modes and then add in add in the extra difficulties
• 48:32
  there. Just be like, guys, this is just
• 48:34
  for the bragging rights. All the power is in your normal
• 48:38
  delve thing. And I think that's something
• 48:39
  that they can now add into delves, right?
• 48:43
  But it's it's them iterating on this stuff as they go through
• 48:49
  and like, I'm not like I'm not willing to say that Oh, delves
• 48:57
  are trash now. They're just not finding the
• 49:01
  audience that I would want them to because I was right there
• 49:04
  with you, Lex. I like cleared through it on day
• 49:06
  one, beat my beat elevens, be like, why the hell am I being
• 49:08
  elevens on day one? Went to go do the underpin.
• 49:11
  I was like, actually, the underpin is a bit of a struggle
• 49:14
  for me as a solo. Did it with a did it with a
• 49:17
  friend. I was like OK sure this I can
• 49:19
  see how this is like way easy. I so let me, let me back up and
• 49:23
  be slightly less angry and express my opinions a little bit
• 49:26
  calmer and a little bit more respectfully towards Blizzard
• 49:29
  because I I hear what you're saying.
• 49:30
  I think that my frustration is that yeah, they could make more
• 49:36
  like more challenge modes. They could make it more like for
• 49:39
  the, you know, oh, look at how cool I am.
• 49:41
  I'm just doing this for fun. I think that the point, as
• 49:45
  Delves were explained to me was that it was supposed to be solo
• 49:49
  player content that gave and like there was end game level
• 49:53
  and other like group content in World of Warcraft doesn't reach
• 49:59
  challenge modes for the average player within the even within
• 50:04
  the first few weeks, right? If everyone was getting through
• 50:09
  AOTC. And again, I, I, I, I think it's
• 50:12
  important to stress that one of the reasons I'm frustrated is
• 50:15
  because I am a casual, right? I, there are certainly plenty of
• 50:19
  people who have gotten AOTC within the first couple weeks
• 50:22
  for the raid. I don't think that inherently
• 50:23
  means the raid is under tuned. But if my Guild got AOTC within
• 50:27
  the first couple weeks, I would be like, mother of God, what are
• 50:31
  you like, what am I supposed to do?
• 50:33
  Right? And having somebody be like,
• 50:34
  well, but why don't you go to a challenge mode?
• 50:35
  What if we put challenge modes in the raid?
• 50:38
  Wouldn't really feel good because the point is that the
• 50:40
  content is supposed to last a season.
• 50:41
  The point is not just that like I have like, yeah, like there's
• 50:44
  other things like I could also like get into pet battles,
• 50:48
  right? Like I, I want my content to
• 50:49
  last a season. That's why we have seasons,
• 50:51
  right? So I think that casual players,
• 50:58
  I I don't think that content should be reaching challenge
• 51:02
  mode levels within the within the first couple weeks of a
• 51:05
  season, right? I think that that's an end
• 51:08
  that's either a like really high level player push goal or a like
• 51:16
  an issue, right? I think that the the the same
• 51:21
  way that like, yeah, some, some people have KSM already.
• 51:25
  Most casual players have not reached KSM at this point in the
• 51:28
  season. And if most casual players
• 51:30
  reached KSM within the first week, we would be raising alarm
• 51:34
  bells. We would be saying that's
• 51:35
  ridiculous, right? What are you talking about?
• 51:37
  Everyone is in like fifteens already.
• 51:39
  That's bananas. That's not how M Plus works.
• 51:42
  That's the the point is that you're progressing.
• 51:45
  And I think that that's where Delves dropped off, because solo
• 51:50
  players already had a ton of stuff they could do for fun,
• 51:52
  right? Yeah, but Delves don't have a,
• 51:55
  don't have a challenge mode anymore.
• 51:56
  They've removed that when they changed it for this season like
• 52:00
  like 991011 used to be the challenge mode.
• 52:05
  Then they put in rewards and said, yeah, it's no longer
• 52:08
  challenge and a challenge, right?
• 52:10
  Like if this goes up to 11 was supposed to be the challenge.
• 52:13
  It was supposed to be, you do eights, you get through your
• 52:15
  season eights, you gear, you gear up.
• 52:17
  If you really want to challenge yourself, go ahead, push that 9,
• 52:20
  push that 10, push that 11, go do Zekvir, double question mark.
• 52:24
  And yes, some people who weren't casual pushed hard and got Zek
• 52:28
  Zekvir down really quickly. And some people worked through
• 52:32
  the season. One person got Zekvir down on
• 52:36
  the day of reset before reset and it was like, yes, I can't
• 52:41
  believe I did it. Yes, I I did that.
• 52:43
  One person spent their time beating Zek Veer and and doing
• 52:49
  that with every single one of their alts and they were like,
• 52:53
  I'm going to do it with every single tank.
• 52:54
  And that's what one person does. Did it was it was there, but
• 53:00
  people didn't like that it didn't give enough rewards and
• 53:04
  wanted to give more, more rewards and wanted to be able to
• 53:08
  finish off their their track and hated that like the balancing at
• 53:12
  these at these higher levels wasn't wasn't in line so that
• 53:16
  their mage was getting like utterly one shot in like 10s,
• 53:20
  let alone elevens right. And yes, I think at this point I
• 53:27
  agree with you that this wasn't the feedback that Blizzard
• 53:33
  should have responded to. But I know on this very show we
• 53:37
  were like, yeah, they're getting like the Crest then like, yeah,
• 53:41
  like it's, it's easy. So like, let everybody finish,
• 53:45
  finish their their stuff. And like, yes, the reality is
• 53:48
  like there is margin of error where it goes too easy.
• 53:56
  We beat it, we beat it and we're bored forever and too hard.
• 54:00
  And Blizzard, why do you hate everybody?
• 54:02
  Why do you hate fun? And like in this episode, we've
• 54:04
  seen it on both ends. Fair.
• 54:07
  I think I what I want is I want Blizzard to stop listening to
• 54:09
  the like. I I hear what you're saying and
• 54:11
  I don't necessarily disagree. I think that the issue with
• 54:15
  delves is it Blizzard is not listening to primary delves
• 54:20
  players. I think the Blizzard is
• 54:21
  listening to primary and plus and Raiders who want delves.
• 54:27
  I could be wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 54:29
  I, I don't know. I I maybe haven't listened to
• 54:31
  everyone. Maybe I'm just maybe everyone
• 54:33
  else wants is super happy that they're done with their delves
• 54:36
  by the end of the week. I I genuinely could be correct
• 54:39
  or. You mean like I, I just because
• 54:42
  people ask for something doesn't mean that they're necessarily
• 54:46
  happy with it. So like, it could be that a lot
• 54:49
  of people are now I, I don't even want to call it sticker
• 54:51
  shock. Buyers regret.
• 54:53
  They're like, oh. And you want.
• 54:54
  To know this is. This is worse than.
• 54:56
  You know, you want to know what I'd say to that?
• 54:58
  What? That's why Dells why devs should
• 55:00
  not listen to everything that the players say.
• 55:03
  Sometimes they need to just say no.
• 55:06
  Well, I mean like listen, take it in balance.
• 55:09
  Like I feel like, I feel like we are players and I would like for
• 55:13
  the the devs and other players to listen to us too.
• 55:16
  But like everything, everything needs to be taken with like
• 55:19
  waiting. I got to jump in.
• 55:21
  So fascinating. If you're listening, I actually
• 55:24
  agree with Lex here. Players are idiots, and that
• 55:27
  includes the three of us. They don't know what they want.
• 55:31
  And I got to be honest with you, it doesn't matter what you do,
• 55:34
  they're going to complain, including us are going to
• 55:37
  complain. What are we on this show?
• 55:39
  One of us is saying it's too hard and the other one thing is
• 55:41
  too easy. Obviously we're talking about
• 55:42
  different pieces of content, But, and I agree with LAX devil
• 55:46
  should be harder. Fuck them casuals.
• 55:48
  But I'm just that's for legal reasons.
• 55:52
  Manny's edited out a piece that I said, but or maybe he didn't.
• 55:56
  And if he didn't, it was a joke. If he didn't edit it out, it was
• 55:59
  a joke. And if he did edit it out,
• 56:01
  message us on fast discord and I'll tell you what I hey guys is
• 56:03
  there. Anything exciting we can talk
• 56:05
  about that will make us happy and not yell at Blizzard.
• 56:07
  Yeah, let's talk about when is the next Super Squirt day so we
• 56:10
  can really get into these pet battles.
• 56:12
  Pet battles have been catching a lot of strays.
• 56:14
  Yes, today that's that's the that's the next piece of news
• 56:18
  coming back in 2026 is Super Squirt Day.
• 56:22
  And Sean, I know you were never expecting this to come back, but
• 56:27
  wait, that's not Super Squirt Day.
• 56:28
  What, what? What is this?
• 56:30
  This is the release date for what I'm only guessing will be
• 56:33
  the first raid tier of midnight based on how they've planned
• 56:37
  other events recently. Oh.
• 56:38
  My goodness, Salty Sean, but Blizzard has announced earlier
• 56:46
  this week that we are getting BlizzCon returning to Anaheim in
• 56:54
  person live event 2026 and I was so excited for this.
• 57:02
  I forgot the state of the world and that's great.
• 57:06
  I'm glad for that distraction. They have changed the usual
• 57:12
  time. So instead of being the end of
• 57:14
  October, beginning of November sort of thing, it's actually
• 57:18
  moved forward a a month and is in mid-september.
• 57:21
  So Saturday, September 12th and Sunday, September 13th we are
• 57:26
  going to have BlizzCon 2026. That's odd.
• 57:31
  That threw me for a loop because it's Saturday, Sunday and not
• 57:35
  Friday, Saturday, which means when am I going to go to this?
• 57:38
  It used to be Friday, Saturday and then he went to Sunday on
• 57:41
  Disney and it was not, it was no, it's two days.
• 57:44
  And he kept on saying please Blizzard, give us a third day.
• 57:48
  But no, we're not having a third day.
• 57:50
  They just moved it so that it's Saturday, Sunday.
• 57:54
  The Sunday was when people would go to Disney or do their lounge
• 57:57
  con afterwards. The Thursday was when we'd have
• 58:00
  the con before the storm. Oh that's exactly what it was.
• 58:02
  That's why I was in on 3rd and we didn't have con before the
• 58:04
  storm, but that it was like pre day where we all had dinner
• 58:06
  together and everything. Can I just say you freaking
• 58:10
  neurotypicals with your freaking oh, I just spent two days at a
• 58:13
  convention and I have enough like stimulation and spoons left
• 58:17
  that I'm going to go to Disneyland and more people.
• 58:19
  Like what are you talking about? I haven't.
• 58:23
  I didn't do it. I was just saying that's what
• 58:25
  people would do. I was like the popular thing.
• 58:28
  Me out. I was like, you guys, the number
• 58:30
  of things. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm
• 58:31
  gonna go to BlizzCon to be great.
• 58:32
  And then afterwards I'm gonna go to the bar and I'm gonna drink
• 58:35
  and I'm gonna like chat with the dev.
• 58:36
  And I did talk to Taryn Gregory. That was very fun.
• 58:38
  But literally what happened was my friends were like, oh, go to
• 58:42
  the bar, We'll get a dev to talk to you about the stupid faceless
• 58:44
  issue. And I talked to Taryn Gregory
• 58:47
  and I had one drink and then I went home and I laid in bed and
• 58:51
  I did not to anyone. And I put earplugs in and I was
• 58:54
  like, we're done. It's very, it's very over
• 58:59
  stimulating, but it's fun. You know, different people have
• 59:04
  different ways their batteries go, so there's that.
• 59:09
  I think that like moving the day, I guess like I, I, it makes
• 59:16
  it easier for some people to get the time off because now more
• 59:21
  local people will be like, oh, I don't need to book the day off.
• 59:24
  I can just get out there on Friday after work and then be
• 59:27
  there for the the con and then fly out and get back to work on
• 59:31
  Monday. Which point I would be tired.
• 59:34
  I would. I would still need time after
• 59:36
  the weekend to recover. OK, if you're anything like me,
• 59:39
  if you were listening to my if you have not been to BlizzCon
• 59:42
  and you were listening to what I just described and you're like,
• 59:43
  that's probably how I would feel.
• 59:45
  Girl. Schedule a full day off like if
• 59:48
  you can, if you have the the PTO, take an entire day that is
• 59:53
  just going to be you're lying in bed not speaking to anyone day.
• 59:56
  You will need it. You're going to have the time of
• 59:58
  your life. It's going to be OK, but just
• 1:00:00
  have that day where you are just you tell work that you're flying
• 1:00:03
  back on. Tuesday and you just take the
• 1:00:08
  day off. But like in a different way,
• 1:00:12
  Blizzcon's re energizing, like when you are there with all
• 1:00:17
  these people that like, you know, share like a big interest
• 1:00:22
  that are like that are big fans of the these games and and the
• 1:00:28
  people that build these games. Like just that energy that's
• 1:00:32
  that's around is so good. It's so energizing, even though
• 1:00:37
  you like might be like exhausted in one way.
• 1:00:40
  It just, it just hypes you up so much.
• 1:00:43
  I loved World of Warcraft so much more coming off of
• 1:00:45
  BlizzCon. It is it it I fully intend.
• 1:00:48
  I'm so happy this is 2026 so I don't have to figure out how to
• 1:00:50
  like scramble to fit this in my budget.
• 1:00:52
  I will also say I'm so happy it's in September because having
• 1:00:55
  that like BlizzCon Thanksgiving, oh, wait, I guess it's an
• 1:00:58
  American problem. But BlizzCon, Thanksgiving,
• 1:01:00
  Christmas, Oh my God, that was a lot of PTO to take off and you
• 1:01:04
  kind of have to like not take any other time at all around.
• 1:01:08
  It was very stressful. But I, I think this is going to
• 1:01:12
  be amazing. But like, it's, it's so fun.
• 1:01:15
  BlizzCon is it, it is some of the most fun I've had.
• 1:01:17
  And I was really lucky because my Guild was able to kind of
• 1:01:19
  coordinate so that we were able to stay together and, and do
• 1:01:22
  Guild stuff and also go do BlizzCon and, and have that fun.
• 1:01:27
  But this is I, I am over the whole moon.
• 1:01:30
  I, I want to say if you're hearing me describe BlizzCon and
• 1:01:33
  you're like, oh, that sounds like how I would feel.
• 1:01:35
  Does that mean I shouldn't go because I'm going to be over
• 1:01:37
  stimulated? Go to BlizzCon.
• 1:01:38
  It's fun. What I would describe it is, I
• 1:01:45
  guess the closest thing is when I went to like WrestleMania and
• 1:01:48
  it was like the entire audience is just so engaged and so like
• 1:01:55
  cheering together and, and like booing together.
• 1:01:58
  And just like that, that's the energy of you've been to like a
• 1:02:02
  sporting event. Just everybody's like, yeah,
• 1:02:04
  that that I love. Sean, what what's your take for
• 1:02:09
  for BlizzCon? Have you have you been to
• 1:02:10
  BlizzCon before? I have not.
• 1:02:12
  I was supposed to go to the last one, but I had to cancel my trip
• 1:02:17
  due to what happened. Something happened, I had to
• 1:02:24
  cancel my trip. Yeah, I I had the same thing.
• 1:02:26
  I can't. Remember what it was now it was
• 1:02:28
  either family couldn't run work but I have a job or didn't have
• 1:02:32
  a job. I don't remember why I had to
• 1:02:34
  cancel, but I had to cancel or something.
• 1:02:35
  Something happened. Jeez, I hope somebody didn't die
• 1:02:38
  now. I can't remember putting that
• 1:02:39
  before. No it's fine anyway.
• 1:02:40
  It's fine you had to cancel. I'm not sure why I had to
• 1:02:42
  cancel, but I had to cancel so I couldn't go.
• 1:02:46
  Ended up giving the ticket away on my recruiter friend.
• 1:02:48
  Oh wow. I'm excited for BlizzCon.
• 1:02:51
  Assuming we're not at war with the country it's being held in,
• 1:02:54
  I will fully tend to be there. Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  And if we are, then maybe I'll be there anyway because it would
• 1:03:00
  take me longer to write a tweet saying I was re enlisting than
• 1:03:03
  it would take me to actually re enlist.
• 1:03:07
  OK. I love my country, man.
• 1:03:14
  I I spent the month being personally involved in politics.
• 1:03:19
  I I am very right there with. You or politics?
• 1:03:22
  There's no politics there. This is I was all.
• 1:03:25
  Volunteering for the government. For a little.
• 1:03:27
  No, I mean. Oh, I mean what I'm saying, not
• 1:03:29
  you. Me.
• 1:03:31
  Yeah. No, I'm excited.
• 1:03:31
  I'm glad I was wrong and glad Lex was right.
• 1:03:33
  I think the world is a better place when Lex is right more
• 1:03:35
  often. And this will be the first time
• 1:03:38
  that I will be able to hug my for Azeroth costars is my guess
• 1:03:44
  because I can't go to the Toronto event because the race
• 1:03:46
  rule first is too hard. Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  But yeah, I guess that's a good thing.
• 1:03:50
  If you're going to be at the Toronto event, I will be there,
• 1:03:53
  Sean will not. Lex will sort of be there.
• 1:03:56
  I I still need to get that like print out anyways?
• 1:03:59
  I will be almost certainly, knock on wood, assuming I can
• 1:04:02
  get tickets at Boston, and if I'm not at Boston, I will almost
• 1:04:06
  certainly be at PAX. So I'll be kind of there ish.
• 1:04:10
  OK, there you go. Would I would love to see some
• 1:04:12
  people. Manny, this is when we would
• 1:04:15
  normally wrap the show up, but we have to talk about the player
• 1:04:19
  housing thing, they shared. It's incredible.
• 1:04:22
  So if you're listening and you're thinking to yourself,
• 1:04:24
  man, this episode of For Razzaroth is really long.
• 1:04:28
  Yep, Yep. But.
• 1:04:29
  We're going to talk about housing now, and it's awesome.
• 1:04:31
  So, Sean, take us through this. They showed the inside of
• 1:04:35
  housing. So when Blizzard announced we're
• 1:04:36
  doing housing, the Warcraft base did what the Warcraft base does
• 1:04:41
  and immediately thought it was going to suck.
• 1:04:43
  They're like, oh, we're going to be locked in to set pieces.
• 1:04:46
  Oh, it's going to be like, you can only put chairs here.
• 1:04:49
  Oh, the colors are all going to be one thing.
• 1:04:51
  They're going to be miserable. This is what the player base
• 1:04:53
  did. I can show you this receipts, we
• 1:04:55
  got them. Blizzard said, hey, we're going
• 1:04:57
  to ratchet this up to 11. They took all the power that
• 1:05:00
  they had as devs. Fasdev himself came down from on
• 1:05:04
  high. They assume Fasdev is is on the
• 1:05:06
  second or third floor in the building.
• 1:05:08
  Fast F came down from on high and said Blair Housing has to be
• 1:05:11
  the best thing ever. And folks, they showed us a demo
• 1:05:14
  of the interior decorating portion and the things that you
• 1:05:18
  can do with the furniture and in positioning it and resizing it
• 1:05:22
  and placing it and the colors that you could do with the color
• 1:05:25
  matching and the color changing. And it is a certified banger.
• 1:05:32
  Looks amazing, cannot wait. Yeah there is some wet ass
• 1:05:37
  housing coming our way. Some wah, it looks awesome.
• 1:05:41
  Basically every potential concern has been addressed.
• 1:05:43
  You can die items so you can match them.
• 1:05:47
  You can move things however you want, and in fact you can even
• 1:05:50
  go into advanced mode and just put it in God damn air.
• 1:05:53
  Things will stick together. You can move them together or
• 1:05:57
  you can separate them and place them wherever you want.
• 1:05:59
  You can apparently, like the outside of your house doesn't
• 1:06:02
  affect the inside of your house. So you can have either a huge
• 1:06:04
  house and not want to do anything inside or have a.
• 1:06:07
  I'm basically just repeating the article.
• 1:06:08
  I know that, but I read it and I was very excited.
• 1:06:10
  They also did say that they're doing they're they made some
• 1:06:13
  hints that they're going to be doing something where you can
• 1:06:14
  show off your battle pets in your mouth.
• 1:06:17
  So it seems like that's gonna be happening, which I'm very
• 1:06:19
  excited about. Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  And they showed cute little videos, which is really fun and
• 1:06:23
  useful and also meant that it looks, it looks to me very
• 1:06:26
  similar to The Sims. So I would like to say Blizzard.
• 1:06:28
  I need the ability to make a pool and the pool needs to have
• 1:06:31
  a fatigue bar and also a removable ladder.
• 1:06:36
  I, I just, the, the possibilities are endless,
• 1:06:40
  right? They mentioned in the article
• 1:06:41
  how one of the devs made like the front of a boat out of like
• 1:06:44
  books and stuff. And yeah, I just, I'm really
• 1:06:47
  excited to see it. I was lukewarm on player
• 1:06:49
  housing. It was the delves of midnight
• 1:06:51
  for me, if you will. But now I am way more excited.
• 1:06:55
  And now it is the the pep battles.
• 1:07:00
  I don't know, I'm really excited to have the player housing was
• 1:07:02
  great. No joke, no sarcasm.
• 1:07:04
  It looks amazing and I really like this is probably going to
• 1:07:08
  sound crazy. There's two different editing
• 1:07:09
  modes of the collect mentioned, basic and advanced.
• 1:07:12
  And basic is like you can put your furniture wherever you want
• 1:07:15
  it, but it's confined within the walls.
• 1:07:17
  It won't clip. It'll snap into place.
• 1:07:18
  It goes where it's supposed to go.
• 1:07:20
  And the part of my brain that is like, oh, I don't have to think
• 1:07:23
  too hard and I don't have to worry if I'm a pixel or two into
• 1:07:25
  the floor loves that. And then there's also the for
• 1:07:29
  the people who are insane, the mode that, like Black said,
• 1:07:32
  where you can just put it wherever you want, however you
• 1:07:33
  want. I just think it's going to be so
• 1:07:35
  creative. I can't wait to see what it
• 1:07:36
  looks like. And they seem excited about it.
• 1:07:39
  And it looks like they're putting a lot of passion behind
• 1:07:40
  it. It feels like they're just
• 1:07:43
  converting some of their own, like dev tools for building maps
• 1:07:48
  and giving them to us for a house.
• 1:07:49
  Manny looks like he's trying to decide with how he leaves my my
• 1:07:53
  wah comment. No, I'm just I'm going to put an
• 1:07:57
  explicit tag on this episode and I'm just going to walk.
• 1:07:59
  Away. There was nothing explicit about
• 1:08:02
  that. Really.
• 1:08:04
  What's the? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:08:06
  I'm putting I'm. Probably say FI, even I.
• 1:08:08
  I I see that say F on the radio maybe?
• 1:08:11
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:08:12
  There, there. There's the the F bombs you
• 1:08:15
  dropped the A and the like. I feel like we've exceeded shot
• 1:08:20
  an. A bomb.
• 1:08:23
  I feel like we've exceeded a quota and like I just, I don't
• 1:08:26
  have the energy to go through and edit all of this anyways.
• 1:08:30
  I'm I'm, I'm strangely not excited.
• 1:08:35
  I I think an OP. Did we watch?
• 1:08:39
  The same. I think that there's cool stuff
• 1:08:42
  in here. There are things that like I
• 1:08:44
  look at I'm like, that is cool how the parent items are, are
• 1:08:48
  linked to the child items that when you go into advanced mode
• 1:08:51
  and you scale the parent item, it doesn't scale the the child
• 1:08:57
  items and the child items still retain their relative place.
• 1:09:00
  So they'll move in closer, but they won't get any smaller.
• 1:09:03
  I think there's a lot of cool things and powerful things in
• 1:09:06
  this tool. I, I'm going to go in and I'm
• 1:09:10
  gonna build a player house and I'm gonna spend a good amount of
• 1:09:16
  time on this and I pray that it comes in with the pre patch.
• 1:09:21
  So it's not when I'm trying to push to Max level or at the at
• 1:09:27
  the cap where I'm going to be like, oh, crap.
• 1:09:29
  Now, now I got to split my time between like rating and stuff.
• 1:09:33
  I'm hoping it just comes in with a pre patch so I'll be able to
• 1:09:35
  like devote a good amount of time to like setting up my, my
• 1:09:38
  house and then it's going to get abandoned.
• 1:09:42
  That's what's going to happen with my, my house.
• 1:09:44
  I'd like and like, I'm very interested in seeing other
• 1:09:48
  people's houses and like all the stuff they set up and I want to
• 1:09:52
  see like the amazing thing that you 2 will set up in a bunch of
• 1:09:57
  my friends. And hopefully there'll be entire
• 1:10:00
  channels and discord where people will be like, come see my
• 1:10:03
  kitchen, see my house, look, I built it on a mouse and whatever
• 1:10:06
  it is like, I think that'll be great.
• 1:10:09
  I love this for the community, but for myself, I, I don't think
• 1:10:14
  this is something I'm going to dive a lot of active time into,
• 1:10:18
  especially with the cadence of things that are coming out in
• 1:10:21
  World of Warcraft. This to me.
• 1:10:24
  Seems you're gonna be too busy doing delves for those two days
• 1:10:26
  or what? What's the deal?
• 1:10:27
  Yeah, I mean I've got to spend 3 months on on raiding and then I
• 1:10:32
  got to spend a day on on delves and apparently like I got to
• 1:10:41
  spend another 4 hours editing this episode.
• 1:10:43
  So my time is booked guys. I was hoping that was going to
• 1:10:47
  be a pet battle shade comment coming also but.
• 1:10:52
  No, I think this will this will be a new Ave. of play for some
• 1:10:57
  players who are going to be like this is this is great.
• 1:11:01
  I'm gonna and I hope that they put a bunch of patterns and and
• 1:11:04
  collectibles and dies and all of that out into the world for
• 1:11:07
  people to collect. Like I hope that people are
• 1:11:10
  slaying the ice king so they can get frost more to hang on their
• 1:11:13
  wall. I hope people are like running
• 1:11:16
  around a dungeon dungeon in classic to get like die from the
• 1:11:23
  from Suleiman or something like that.
• 1:11:25
  Like I hope this sends people far and wide to build out their
• 1:11:29
  their collection to like build out their profession so that
• 1:11:33
  like inscribers are like, Hey, this ink from like way back
• 1:11:39
  when, I can like put that on the auction house and it's selling
• 1:11:42
  again because you turn that into a vendor and that gets me a die
• 1:11:45
  and stuff. I think there's going to be a
• 1:11:46
  lot for a lot of players and I'm going to be involved in it.
• 1:11:50
  But like the core of it, the housing, I don't think that's
• 1:11:55
  where my time's going to be. I hope they nerf it.
• 1:11:58
  That sounds really hard. When?
• 1:11:59
  You yeah, I know. I was really excited when I
• 1:12:01
  thought that it was all just going to.
• 1:12:02
  I was going to open up and I'd have all my stuff.
• 1:12:03
  And I remember the fact that I actually have to play for it.
• 1:12:05
  And I'm to be honest, I will not.
• 1:12:06
  I will have the most basic baby little house.
• 1:12:09
  I have never ground for anything in this game and that's not
• 1:12:11
  going to change it. It's just a mattress in the
• 1:12:14
  middle of literally. I might even do that just as a
• 1:12:16
  bit like, I'm not even kidding, just like do the like, you know,
• 1:12:19
  frat boy, bachelor pad, sort of. You got to you got to like
• 1:12:24
  create a basic human right, give him like the mullet with the
• 1:12:28
  balding on on the top and then just throw a mattress and like
• 1:12:32
  your pets are like the cockroaches and that's it.
• 1:12:35
  Yes, yes, that's just saying something.
• 1:12:39
  And I swear you will win a contest with that alone.
• 1:12:42
  Get a sign that just says every day is super squirt day here.
• 1:12:46
  Yes, it's glorious. But on that note, guys, there is
• 1:12:54
  going to be a lot more coming for the housing.
• 1:12:57
  This was just covering the interior.
• 1:13:00
  There is going to be stuff for the exterior and this showed how
• 1:13:04
  powerful it's going to be. It's not just the fact that
• 1:13:07
  we're actually going to be able to dye the furniture to
• 1:13:10
  different colors so that the carpet matches the drapes.
• 1:13:13
  It's not going to be the fact that like you can change these
• 1:13:18
  things and have them hanging in different way and have them
• 1:13:20
  floating. You can like put up walls and
• 1:13:25
  have the building be like Tardis, way bigger.
• 1:13:29
  Oh girl on your. Inside than it is than it is on
• 1:13:32
  the outside, like you can change the flooring so that it's stone
• 1:13:38
  or wood. You can dye that so that it's
• 1:13:41
  like, you know, Redwood or pine or like cedar or whatever,
• 1:13:47
  whatever you want it to be and just like shading and stuff.
• 1:13:50
  You could have a room that has like, could we have a room
• 1:13:54
  that's got like lava stones in there?
• 1:13:56
  And you're like, hey, this is my like sauna sort of thing.
• 1:13:59
  Who knows it like it. This is my torture.
• 1:14:01
  Room. This is where I put my.
• 1:14:02
  Torture room like, and you've got like a little Pain Smith up
• 1:14:07
  in the corner. As soon as somebody walks in,
• 1:14:09
  the door locks behind them and Pain Smith says.
• 1:14:12
  Do you want to play? Who knows?
• 1:14:16
  You can have an S&M room with a bunch of seats and mantels.
• 1:14:19
  Yes, and it's confessor Paltrus that's just the in there like.
• 1:14:25
  Yeah, would you like to have a seat on my mantle?
• 1:14:28
  Man? I don't think you get to make
• 1:14:29
  the comment you made and then besmirch me my wet ass houses.
• 1:14:33
  Come on, mine was all subtext. You're.
• 1:14:37
  You're just not subtext. Just kidding.
• 1:14:39
  There is your. Problem man.
• 1:14:41
  Couldn't you convince? This guy is.
• 1:14:43
  Like innuendo. I think I knew that when I was
• 1:14:46
  in elementary school, Mandy. Like, oh, by myself.
• 1:14:49
  Shut the fuck up. Some poor parent is sitting
• 1:14:54
  there with their kid and now has to go through all of your foul
• 1:14:58
  language and they could have just giggled that mind and and
• 1:15:02
  the kid would have been like daddy, what do you think is like
• 1:15:04
  when? You're older.
• 1:15:05
  He doesn't even know. He doesn't know what comment you
• 1:15:07
  made. I'm just saying you made a
• 1:15:08
  comment. Manny made a comment.
• 1:15:10
  Little child listening to this podcast about Warcraft with
• 1:15:13
  their parents. We see a really bad really bad
• 1:15:16
  taste in what they let their children listen to.
• 1:15:20
  Lex is a great person and I would I would.
• 1:15:24
  Not be away from the Wiggles, pal.
• 1:15:27
  We are a long way off from the Wiggles, OK?
• 1:15:29
  No children should be listening to this show.
• 1:15:32
  Don't let your kids listen to this show, people.
• 1:15:35
  Lex is a wonderful person and I would let Lex talk to any of my
• 1:15:40
  kids. I would not leave them alone
• 1:15:42
  with the kids because Lex is multiple times said she would
• 1:15:45
  steal people's kids but I would let her visit their kids.
• 1:15:48
  I also, I will say I played Balder's Gate as like a, an 8
• 1:15:53
  year old, the early Balder's Gate and it was, it was very
• 1:15:57
  formative, mostly because my parents, I think I've said this
• 1:15:59
  like 20 times on the show, but my family still bullies me about
• 1:16:03
  the fact that I've run away from things when I was 8.
• 1:16:06
  So I think the kids and I, I was playing World of Warcraft when I
• 1:16:09
  was like 11. I don't.
• 1:16:13
  I want to be clear, let your kids play Warcraft.
• 1:16:15
  You teach them to farm gold. That's easy money, but don't let
• 1:16:18
  them listen to pot. Your kids weren't sitting.
• 1:16:19
  Your parents were sitting you down to listen to Scott
• 1:16:21
  Johnson's Balders Game podcast talking about where Zazz deep
• 1:16:25
  seated I think. Every child should have to
• 1:16:28
  listen to for Azeroth. No way.
• 1:16:30
  They're listening to for Azeroth.
• 1:16:32
  They're kids in the. Room deep dive on one ZAP of the
• 1:16:35
  wizard doesn't want to be touched.
• 1:16:36
  Listen, let's hear, let's hear from this.
• 1:16:39
  Do you have? Do you have when you're
• 1:16:42
  listening to Farazov and the headphones always on?
• 1:16:44
  Do you have kids around and the headphones are off?
• 1:16:46
  Let us know. I want to know because I don't
• 1:16:49
  want these guys to get her out, get away with their tomfoolery
• 1:16:52
  and future episodes. But until next time guys, may
• 1:16:56
  all your hits be crits.