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Episode 20: 88th Academy Awards. Movies from 2015. · Death by Multimedia

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  Music Hello all you wonderful patient listeners and welcome to
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  our next episode of Helen and Bill's Something or Other.
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  I've forgotten it's been so long since.
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  I've done this movie adventures, I believe.
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  Well, let me. Introduce you to the wonderful
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  Co host, the lovely Helen. Thank you for joining us in
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  today, Helen. Hi, Bill.
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  Thank you. Nice to be here.
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  And yes, we made it. We've watched another eight
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  films. Yeah, all from 2015.
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  The 88th Academy Awards ceremony in 2016 that awarded the best
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  prizes for the movies from 2015. How did you feel about the 8
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  movies that we watched overall? It was pretty varied, which was
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  nice. They weren't all true stories
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  this time like there have. Been only four out of eight this
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  time were based on true events. And maybe not as high a caliber
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  as they were in the previous two years.
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  Well, I think exactly the opposite.
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  Oh. OK, doesn't surprise me.
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  Not at all. So we've had some listener
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  feedback from our, oh, have we previous episodes, we've had the
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  wonderful Jeff from Florida who. Is a Hi, Jeff.
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  A regular listener and he's offered up a couple of points.
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  Good. We like feedback.
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  He says. I barely watch movies but I
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  loved The Grand Budapest Hotel. Wes Anderson is amazing.
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  Royal Tenenbaum is a top five movie for me.
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  He also doesn't get the hatred for Keira Knightley.
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  Maybe it's just my hatred for Keira Knightley.
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  I think that's what he's saying and it is, it is pure hatred.
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  And where did it come from? It's disgust.
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  It's dislike of her acting ability.
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  It's she is the same in everything she does.
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  Everything she does, absolutely everything.
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  And it's that same voice, and it's that same look in her eyes.
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  But she's good. I don't think she is.
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  Well, I I don't mind watching her.
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  I know you don't. Yeah.
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  Anyway, I know I don't like watching her, but there's.
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  Well established information. It is, but there's a movie that
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  we're going to be discussing and an actress that we're going to
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  be discussing that, you know, may have changed my mind on a
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  different actress, Certainly not Keira Knightley.
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  OK. Because thankfully, she wasn't
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  in any of these. Movies.
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  No, she didn't make an appearance.
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  That's weird. It is not weird, it's great.
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  Jeff also said if I can recommend something after you
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  and Helen picked your award winner for a category, can you
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  give them then give the actual nominees and winners for that
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  category? I have the memory of a goldfish
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  and can't remember who picked what by the time you wrap it up,
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  which is a very fairpoint. Because yeah, good idea.
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  The way we go about things, sometimes things get lost in the
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  miss especially. We're a bit scattered sometimes.
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  Especially from the first movie that we've watched.
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  Yeah, especially now that there are so many.
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  Well, that also probably doesn't help either.
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  And also he said that the award for Best voiceover has to be
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  called a Billy. That won't be occurring, I can
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  say that much. But we do have nominees again
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  and an award winner for the best Voiceover in an animated feature
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  once again. So in memoriam, we like to talk
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  about people who have dropped off the planet since we last
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  spoke. There probably have been more,
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  but I haven't written them down. The only one of any real note, I
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  think that everyone knows is Chuck Norris finally departed.
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  Generally a fairly awful person off screen I think, but
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  certainly on screen he's he was quite memorable in all was.
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  Was he? Did he have the reputation of
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  being not very likeable in? Real life, well, I think he
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  sided on a certain side of politics in recent times and has
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  been quite outspoken on that kind of thing.
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  Yes But yes, certainly his films.
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  I remember very well watching some of his early films.
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  It was 1 Christmas Eve, I was at my grandmother's and all of the
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  cousins had gathered for this Christmas Eve and our eldest
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  cousin David was sent down to the video shop to get videos to
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  watch on on Christmas Eve and he came back with Lone Wolf McQuaid
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  and it was just brilliant. Wonder what the girls thought
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  of? That, well, I don't think many
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  of them stayed, as it turned out that anyway.
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  But I remember reading his autobiography and just what a
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  dedicated person it was to his craft.
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  Yeah. Yeah, amazing.
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  And like his missing in action films were great.
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  Obviously the Bruce Lee film he did and the scene is still
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  iconic when with him fighting Bruce Lee.
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  But of course we'll always remember him for dodgeball and
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  the thumbs up and and the famous line at the very end of the film
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  from our friend White Goodman just said fucking Chuck Norris.
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  So yes, there you go, Chuck Norris moves on.
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  And so are we into After this break for our first movie of
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  2015, Helen and Bill's excellent movie adventures.
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  Righty O well, let's move on. First film, which was some weeks
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  ago now, as I was recalling in my notes and trying to remember
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  exactly what it was about. And the film was called Brooklyn
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  and Brooklyn is a 2015 romantic period drama film directed by
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  John Crowley and written by Nick Hornby.
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  Based on the 2009 novel by Colum Tobin, it stars Saoirse Ronan.
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  I think I've got her pronunciation right there in the
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  lead row with Emory Cohen, Dominic Gleeson, never know if
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  I'm saying his name right. Jim Broadbent and Julie Waters
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  in supporting roles. The plot follows Eilish Lacey, a
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  young Irish woman who migrates to Brooklyn in the early 1950s
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  to find employment. After building a life there,
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  she's drawn back to her hometown of Enniscothe I think that's how
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  I pronounce it. And has to choose where she
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  wants to forge her future. So with all of those
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  mispronunciations out of the way, Helen, tell us all about
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  Brooklyn. Well, it I'd seen it before, I
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  don't think you had. I definitely had not.
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  I saw it, you know, on the Netflix thing and thought, oh,
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  that's a nice chick flick. It's a bit pithier than just a
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  chick flick, really. There's a bit more to it.
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  It's an interesting enough story about hardship, loss, growing
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  up, love, all of that. And the way that she deals with
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  the dilemma that comes up in her life when she she's living in
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  Brooklyn, like she's emigrated there, She's made a spot for
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  herself there. And then she has to go back to
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  Ireland because her sister dies, doesn't she?
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  Tragedy. And then she, she gets married
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  to this lovely Italian boy in Brooklyn before she goes, but
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  secretly. And then she goes over to
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  Ireland and she doesn't tell anyone about the secret
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  marriage. And then she accidentally falls
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  in love with someone else. And then her mum is really
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  lonely because she's got no one there now.
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  And so she's got that weight of expectation from her mum to
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  marry this guy in Ireland. And she gets a job which she
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  never had when she was there initially, did she?
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  She has an opportunity. So yeah, she you don't know for
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  a while what she's going to choose.
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  Which way is she going to fall? Is she going to go back to the
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  secret husband or stay in Ireland and keep everybody happy
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  there? But she does end up going back
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  to Brooklyn. Spoiler.
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  But like it's it's an interesting enough story, but I
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  am I don't really know why it's made it to the nominations list.
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  I don't think it's that big of a story, like no major epiphanies
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  in it, not that profound. What about?
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  What do you think? I thought the first half of the
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  film was excellent. I thought Saoirse was very good
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  and believable as the young girl leaving her homeland looking to
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  start her own life. And I enjoyed how the boyfriend
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  Tony was not horrible. I just thought, oh, this guy's
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  going to be horrible and he's not in any way, shape or form.
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  That's not the dilemma. You're kind of waiting for a
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  dilemma or a crescendo in this story, aren't you?
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  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, And I had that's, I had a
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  bad feeling that we were going to have to deal with that kind
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  of relationship again in the movie, and we didn't.
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  It was just a nice progression of the story.
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  I was not able to find it believable that I did all of
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  this. Go to America, meet up with
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  Tony, you know, get secretly married, Said she's going home
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  to bury her sister and then come back.
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  And then in a very short couple of weeks, she's suddenly
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  entrenched in the job at home set up with Donald Wilson's
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  character Jim, and forgetting and ignoring Tony back in
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  America. I just, I don't think that's
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  believable. Yeah.
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  I don't think we can relate to it that much because we live in
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  a world that's very global now. Like she was able to.
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  I think that she could get away with being married in the US and
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  go back to Ireland and no one knowing.
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  It did catch up with her, though, didn't it?
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  It did. But I think in those times,
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  yeah, it just all seemed so far away.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I know that when we were
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  watching this, he said, oh, I think that's believable.
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  Yeah, she did that. And I I say that that's a slight
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  concern for our relationship. Maybe.
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  Maybe I'm fickle. But I just can't believe. 33
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  years. He thinks I'm fickle.
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  Everyone. But anyway, go on.
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  You know, let's, let's discussion for another time.
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  I I just can't believe that at the turn of a coin she was
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  immediately willing to drop that.
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  Because it was when she was there, it was the easy option.
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  She wanted to. She felt bad for her mum being
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  on her own and. But then, once she was outed by
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  Miss Kelly, she immediately flipped back.
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  Again, Yeah, I know. Immediately flipped back again.
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  Yeah, I'm not. It wasn't until she was out
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  outed. Not buying that, Nick Hornby.
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  Get your writing right. That's not good enough.
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  But that must have been how the book was.
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  We love Nick Hornby's writing. Don't we?
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  Yeah, but he needed to change that.
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  The dinner table gossiping between the girls in the
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  boarding house was very Pride and Prejudice.
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  Yeah, exactly. That's what I said, I think.
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  And Julie Walters that she was, she made that part of the story.
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  Of Sing. Without her, it would have been.
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  Quite no, that's right. So very much like that, giggling
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  and gossiping. And I get the feeling that Nick
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  Hornby had great delight in using that as the basis for the
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  screenplay. I just think he thought, oh, I
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  can use this and do that. So and he did.
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  He did that. As you said, Julie Walters was
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  just fantastic. Tony was very a little bit
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  Johnny Depp. Yeah, bit Giovanni Ribussi.
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  Yeah, magnetic, actually, Yeah. Looks and acting, actually both
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  of those. Yeah.
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  And Charlie. Oh, what's his name?
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  Forgotten. You know, I don't know.
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  Charlie Pickering. Move on.
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  Move on. I might think of this later.
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  No. So many Charlies, Miss Kelly's a
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  piece of work, was really nicely scripted and was well played by
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  Brid Brennan. She did that role very well.
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  Julie Waters as Mrs. Keogh, the boarding house mom was wonderful
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  as she always is. And Jim Broadman as far the
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  flood, as easy going and brilliant as he always is.
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  It was a nice story. It lost me a bit in the middle.
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  Yeah, me too. I started to get a little
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  impatient to come on, let's get to the conclusion.
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  Get through I was. Waiting for something to happen,
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  but it kind of got a little bit lost and nothing really
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  happened. I was waiting for nothing.
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  I was a bit unsatisfied. Yeah, exactly.
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  Me too. And I think it was well filmed.
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  It was scripted well and it was acted well.
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  But yeah, just after the first half it did start.
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  Yeah. Turn me off.
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  So what did you give that? I only gave it three well.
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  There you go. I gave it 3 1/2.
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  Yeah, a half, half smile. Scratcher I am, shouldn't know
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  that already. We streamed that on ABC iview
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  here in Australia, which was very good at ABC help that on
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  for us. This was nominated for three
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  Academy Awards and 10 Best picture, best actress for Cersei
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  Ronan and best adapted screenplay for Nick Hornby.
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  And I have to say that I agree with you.
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  It seems like that was nominated just because they said almost
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  felt like we've only got 7. We need to nominate one more,
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  you know, because we've said we can nominate up to 10 or 12 now,
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  so let's just nominate Brooklyn. Yeah.
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  Just felt like that was what happened.
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  And it's a very relevant story to a lot of people who live in
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  the USI. Suppose absolutely, yeah, I
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  guess that in that way. Migrated.
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  In that way, yeah, that's what they would have said.
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  Oh, look, the story sort of sits.
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  Or if it ticks all the boxes, let's just put it in there.
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  Yep. Our second film is called Room,
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  and Room is a 2015 survival psychological drama film
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  directed by Lenny Abrahamson. Abrahamson.
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  Yes, I'm going to go with that. I should read all his names
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  before I actually try to. You're doing fine, Bill.
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  Thanks and written by Emma Donohue.
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  Yes, Donohue. Oh, you were doing fine.
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  And I stumbled over that 1 Based on her 2010 novel, it stars Brie
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  Larson as a young woman who has been held captive for seven
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  years and whose five year old son, played by Jacob Tremblay,
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  was born in captivity. Their escape allows the boy to
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  experience the outside world for the first time, and the film
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  also stars Jon Allen, Sean Bridges, Tom Mcarness and
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  William H Macy. Helen Peters, tell us all about
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  ROOM. This movie has very heavy
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  subject matter and I I didn't know what it was about till you
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  turned it on. Did You Know?
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  I did OK. I look I had I had the basic
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  outline of the plot, which is more or less what it was there.
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  Yeah, well, I didn't know. She had a Sonic activity.
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  This guy kidnapped to you? But you know that that's the way
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  I like to watch movies, not knowing anything.
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  So yes, yeah. So that's fine.
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  I thought it was the way it was filmed from the perspective of
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  the young boy and how it follows all the small little details of
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  everyday life. I thought that directing was
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  just beautiful and you very quickly realize that they've
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  never left the room and that they're captives.
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  And I found it riveting viewing, especially when they're planning
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  and carrying out their escape. And I think it's particularly
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  good because the viewer stays on after the happy ending of them
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  getting out. Sorry, spoiled that.
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  And you kind of witnessed the aftermath.
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  Like it's an amazing study of human behaviour and it's tender
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  maternal moments and it's desolate, devastating moments of
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  guilt and shame. And I think the actor who plays
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  the young boy is just remarkable, really remarkable.
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  I think it's a really good film. What do you think?
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  Yeah, I thought the first hour passed amazingly quickly.
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  Yeah, considering. Take our eyes away.
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  Considering it was sitting in a box, yeah.
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  And that was it. That was all they were doing.
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  It was a real stage show sort of story.
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  It could have just been happening on stage.
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  The story unwrapped itself. You slowly began to understand
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  the circumstances of what's going on.
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  And it's done very well. It's filmed and acted really
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  well in that respect. To allow that to occur.
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  It established the don't look at him attitude of joy to Old Nick
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  about Jack. Otherwise why wouldn't he have
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  looked in in the rug to make sure that he was dead when he
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  was carrying him out? So she had already made sure
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  don't look at him, don't look at him.
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  So it's good that they did that because otherwise the whole time
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  when they were rolling him up on the rug when he was playing dead
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  to get to escape. So seriously, if you were this
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  guy, you would be looking in the rug to make sure that he was
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  dead. Yep, she was very clever.
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  But because she had made sure that that was going to happen
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  and that they'd allowed that to be believable then because
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  without that setup, it wouldn't have been believable.
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  I've also written also that room room is real and everything else
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  is only on TV to help Jack get by.
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  So more or less they, they made everything that was on the TV
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  didn't exist. Yeah.
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  And that the only thing that existed was.
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  Was the room, Yeah. Room.
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  The way the story pushed the difficulty Jack would have in
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  joining the outside world, given what he believed was real, was
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  done really well and elevated at a realistic pace as well.
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  It also covered up the difficulty joy it would have had
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  in returning to the world. The realization she had lost
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  seven years of her life, her friends had all moved on, that
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  she had no job and no life at all apart from Jack, who had
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  served to keep her alive for all of those years.
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  Because without him, she probably would have offed
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  herself. For sure.
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  Now Jack had others to help care for him and to take his
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  attention from her, and all of that sort of crashed down on top
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  of her. Yeah, and the guilt of being a
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  mother and thinking how could I let my kid just live like that?
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  How could I put my? Kid through, which is what
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  everyone was saying that to her, you know, you should have done
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  more to get him out. Yeah.
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  And that in the long run, that she'd had everything taken away
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  from her. So all of that was exceptionally
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  well done. I thought Joan Allen was
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  terrific as her mother. Yeah.
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  As she always is in all the roles she is.
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  Jacob Tremblay was quite brilliant.
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  Unbelievable. Yeah, Yeah, fantastic.
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  And you can see, you can see in this performance that he is
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  going to be some actor from me. It's just because everything was
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  set up for him from that film. And Brie Larson takes the role
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  and and really makes it her own. She does amazingly well in that.
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  Yeah. So what did you give that?
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  I gave it 3 1/2. Oh, there you go, I gave it 4.
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  It's not one you want to revisit.
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  No, don't think I need to see it again.
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  It's and isn't it based on truth?
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  Like, I know there's a few stories in the world where this
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  has happened. I don't think so.
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  This was just, this was a novel that was written.
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  By someone but it's it's it's. A difficult subject and.
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  Yes, it's happened, Yeah. So there we go.
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  We streamed that on Amazon Prime here in Australia.
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  This was nominated for four Academy Awards, and it won one.
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  It was nominated for Best Picture, Best Director, best
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  actress for Brie Larson, and best adapted screenplay.
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  Our third film today is called The Big Short and The Big Short
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  is a 2015 American biographical comedy drama film directed by
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  Adam McKay from a screenplay by McKay and Charles Randolph.
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  Based on the 2010 book of the same name by Michael Lewis, it
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  depicts how the 2008 financial crisis was triggered by the
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  United states housing bubble. The film stars Christian Bale,
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  Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling, and Brad Pitt, with John magaro,
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  Finn whitrock, Hamish linklater, rafe Spall, Jeremy strong and
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  Marisa tomei in supporting roles.
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  Tell us all about the Big Short, Helen.
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  Well, this film really packs in the facts about what led to the
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  global financial crisis, which is good for people like me who
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  don't really know anything about it.
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  And it's also facts from a lot of different, different
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  companies, perspectives, whatever.
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  It's not just from one perspective, which is good.
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  And not only is that a lot to take in as a viewer, but it's a
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  lot to successfully direct, I think.
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  And the way he's handled that, I think Adam McKay, yeah, he's
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  amazing. And that it's a, it's also got
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  comedy, like it's a comedy drama.
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  Putting that into the mix too. And he really pulls it off.
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  When I first saw this film in 2015, I found it hard to keep up
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  with and hard to understand. On a second viewing.
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  I realised this is because not only do you have to get your
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  head around how the GFC happened, but you also have to
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  follow various Stock Exchange players and companies and how
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  they gamble. Millions of shareholder dollars
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  are essentially on their hunches about what the markets are going
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  to do in the future. It's a lot.
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  And the fact that it all happened that way is also a lot
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  to realize that that's what our whole economies are based on.
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  Crazy. Let me see.
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  So many stars appear in this film, too.
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  They just keep popping up, and it's like a real camaraderie or
• 21:30
  ensemble about it. You can tell that they all
• 21:32
  respect each other. And yeah, it's got a good
• 21:35
  feeling in that way. I think it's a really
• 21:39
  entertaining and great film. What do you think?
• 21:44
  Well, there is, like you said, there's a lot of jargon used in
• 21:47
  the film, all business and money talk, which is all beautifully
• 21:50
  broken down into the language that we can understand by using
• 21:55
  celebrities such as Margot Robbie in the bubble bath
• 21:57
  drinking champagne, Anthony Bourdain, Richard Thaler and
• 22:02
  Selena Gomez at the gambling tables.
• 22:04
  Dumbing it down for. Us by being breaking the 4th
• 22:07
  wall. Yep.
• 22:09
  Oh, it adds a far more real tone to the film by describing what
• 22:12
  is happening in real time as it's occurring in the film.
• 22:15
  Yeah, that's a really good feature.
• 22:16
  And that was so good because you could watch the film and then
• 22:20
  they would explain it to you in simple terms that you could
• 22:22
  actually say, oh, right, I get that.
• 22:24
  Now I don't get it because I don't understand how that could
• 22:26
  possibly work, but I understand how what they're doing and.
• 22:29
  What they're doing? Yeah, exactly.
• 22:30
  Yeah. And you know who doesn't want to
• 22:33
  see Margot Robbie in a bubble bath?
• 22:34
  I mean, let's face it. Could you concentrate?
• 22:37
  I'm surprised on what she was saying.
• 22:38
  Oh yeah, because she was drinking champagne and that took
• 22:40
  my mind off it and then she told me to fuck off.
• 22:43
  That's right at the end of. It again, great music that
• 22:46
  Michael listens to on his headphones yeah, he's listening
• 22:49
  to Metallica. He's listening all the you would
• 22:50
  have liked that, all the great metal bands, and that was
• 22:52
  really. Good drumming away.
• 22:53
  Absolutely. The meshing of the three
• 22:56
  different stories into one where there is no crossover but
• 22:59
  they're all attacking this from a different aspect than a
• 23:01
  scenario is so well done because they don't actually meet, they
• 23:05
  don't actually know each other, but they're all finding out the
• 23:09
  same thing at different times and going at it from their own
• 23:11
  angles. And also, you never know if
• 23:14
  they're just spinning a story, if they're doing a con, or if
• 23:17
  what they're saying is what they really believe and it's true.
• 23:20
  You never know. So yes, when they go down to
• 23:27
  Florida or whatever, they go down to check out the houses.
• 23:29
  It's it's like the Mount Marie Celeste or it's like Chernobyl,
• 23:33
  the just empty houses and. Yeah, Ghost town, Yeah.
• 23:36
  Man. And that, that was horrible.
• 23:38
  That scene, as it did with the characters, you can see with the
• 23:41
  characters, it really hit on them.
• 23:43
  But it does. As a viewer, it shows you that
• 23:45
  as well. Yeah, like there's homeless
• 23:46
  problems and then there's all these mansions just empty.
• 23:49
  There, Brad Pitt as Ben Ricard was brilliant.
• 23:53
  He just does things so effortlessly as an actor.
• 23:56
  Steve Carell, who was nominated the previous year for
• 23:59
  Foxcatcher, should have been nominated again here.
• 24:02
  And he was absolutely brilliant in this movie.
• 24:06
  And the fact that he started as Jon Stewart's lackey on The
• 24:08
  Daily Show all those years ago and then has become this amazing
• 24:12
  actor who can do comedy as he's always done, but he can do
• 24:16
  absolutely. He's absolutely brilliant.
• 24:19
  Ryan Gosling just bossed his way through this role.
• 24:22
  Just very brash. Very much.
• 24:24
  Christian Bale should just be nominated every single year,
• 24:27
  whether he's been in a film or not.
• 24:28
  He just should be nominated for best actor every year because he
• 24:31
  is. He's the best actor out there.
• 24:33
  He's we. Have a lot of time for him.
• 24:35
  He's unbelievably, and again, he was here.
• 24:38
  Director and screenwriter Adam McKay has done a terrific job by
• 24:41
  seamlessly weaving in a terrible and serious moment in history
• 24:45
  that affected so many people and showcasing that horrible event
• 24:49
  and consequences with moments of real humor that keeps the film
• 24:52
  light at moments when it needs it it.
• 24:55
  It takes a real event with real people, changed names in many
• 24:59
  cases, and it retains its accuracy of what occurred.
• 25:02
  Where other real life films fiddle with the story.
• 25:05
  This is extremely accurate. I think there was a website that
• 25:09
  talks about the accuracy of history in films and whatever,
• 25:14
  and they said that this was at 93 or 94% accuracy.
• 25:17
  So this is such a fabulous film about an awful thing affecting
• 25:22
  so many lives negatively. We've lost homes, lost jobs and
• 25:26
  everything that comes from that, and the fact that the bad guys
• 25:29
  pretty much got away with it again.
• 25:31
  And that is still awful. And unfortunately, that's real
• 25:35
  life. Yeah, But the film is so good,
• 25:38
  so entertaining, so wonderfully scripted and directed and acted
• 25:42
  that it is an absolute joy to watch.
• 25:43
  Yeah, I'd agree. And I've had I don't know how
• 25:47
  many times. I've given 5 out of five for a
• 25:49
  film since we started doing this podcast.
• 25:51
  I think this is very close to the best one that we've watched
• 25:54
  together and reviewed. I think it is absolutely
• 25:56
  fantastic and it is five out of five for me.
• 25:58
  Well, it's 4 1/2 for me, yeah. Really not quite there.
• 26:02
  You're a hard taskmaster. What more could you possibly
• 26:05
  want from that film to give it a 5?
• 26:08
  Good question. We streamed that on Disney Plus
• 26:12
  in Australia. This was nominated for five
• 26:15
  Academy Awards, and it won one. It was nominated for Best
• 26:18
  picture, best Director for Adam McKay, best supporting actor for
• 26:21
  Christian Bale, Surprise, surprise, Best adapted
• 26:24
  Screenplay and best Film Editing.
• 26:27
  Anything more to say about The Big Short?
• 26:29
  No. Well, let's move on to The
• 26:37
  Martian and The Martian is a 2015 epic science fiction
• 26:41
  survival film directed by Ridley Scott from a screenplay by Drew
• 26:45
  Goddard. Based on Andy Weir's 2011 novel,
• 26:50
  The film stars Matt Damon alongside an ensemble cast
• 26:53
  featuring Jessica Chastain, Jeff Daniels, Kristen Wiig, Shuetel
• 26:58
  Azurefour. Got that right?
• 27:01
  Sean Bean, Michael Pena, Kate Mara, Sebastian Stan and
• 27:05
  Mackenzie Davis. The film depicts an astronaut's
• 27:08
  struggle to survive on Mars after being left behind and
• 27:11
  NASA's efforts to return him to Earth.
• 27:14
  Helen, tell us all about Matt Damon.
• 27:19
  Oh, you know, I love Matt Damon. I love this movie.
• 27:23
  Yeah. It's space.
• 27:24
  It's disaster after disaster, against the odds, and it's Matt
• 27:28
  Damon sciencing the hell out of things.
• 27:31
  Yeah, I just love it. I've watched it lots of times.
• 27:34
  Love it every time I watch it. And it's another comedy drama.
• 27:38
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:40
  They do it so well over there in Hollywood, don't they?
• 27:42
  The comedy drama. They can do, yeah, Sometimes
• 27:45
  they stuff up, but yeah, when they do them, well, they do
• 27:48
  them, yeah. I I haven't.
• 27:50
  There's not much more I can say about it except that I really
• 27:53
  love it. And if you haven't seen it, this
• 27:56
  would be Helen's top pick. Got to see it if you haven't
• 28:01
  already. It's like you said, that line
• 28:05
  that he uses. I'm going to science the hell
• 28:06
  out of it. And it's, I think, well, I
• 28:09
  better go through my notes because I'm pretty sure I say
• 28:10
  that here. The great thing about this film
• 28:12
  is that it hops straight into the story.
• 28:15
  There's no mucking around, There's no preamble.
• 28:17
  We're on Mars. It's a storm.
• 28:18
  Everyone leaves, but we leave one man behind.
• 28:20
  Oops. Resume dead too.
• 28:22
  Yes, resume dead, but he's not. That's a shame.
• 28:25
  Unlucky man. And the discovery of this occurs
• 28:27
  quickly in the story, too. There is almost no dead time in
• 28:30
  this whole movie. The story moves along.
• 28:33
  Each next plot point comes hot on the heels of the last.
• 28:36
  It doesn't feel anything like it's 2 1/2 hour length when
• 28:39
  you're watching. It no it doesn't.
• 28:40
  It just. Goes along and suddenly it's
• 28:42
  over and you think that's 2 1/2 hours.
• 28:44
  It is amazing. There's so much science and
• 28:47
  engineering on this film and and what he just gets to it.
• 28:51
  He plans on what he has to do to survive and then communicate and
• 28:55
  then each step of the way coming up with a solution.
• 28:58
  And British physicist Brian Cox. Oh yeah.
• 29:00
  Said The Martian is the best advert for a career in
• 29:04
  engineering I've ever seen. True.
• 29:07
  And you know, Professor Brian Cox is my other true love.
• 29:11
  But the other or just your true love?
• 29:15
  I've got a few of them. Lucky you're numero Uno.
• 29:19
  Well, that's yet to be absolutely confirmed.
• 29:22
  Anyway. I love Amanda Lewis and her
• 29:26
  music. That's on.
• 29:27
  It's all disco music. Yep, and that's the soundtrack.
• 29:29
  And again, there's the humor aspect because Matt Diamond's
• 29:32
  character, Nick Watley's always sort of saying Commander Lewis,
• 29:35
  and now she's got this song, and there's that song, and that
• 29:37
  becomes the whole soundtrack of the movie.
• 29:39
  It's disco music, so it's supposed to be, you know, upbeat
• 29:42
  and funny and whatever. And that's what also helps
• 29:45
  provide the humor of the films. And and keep his mental state
• 29:48
  going. Yes, there.
• 29:49
  To a certain degree, yes. Too much disco will not help
• 29:52
  yourself. Watney keeps himself same with
• 29:55
  his video log. His character is portrayed
• 29:58
  excellently as having a sense of humor but also an analytical
• 30:02
  brain for his situation. And Matt Damon is just fabulous
• 30:05
  in the lead role. He offers both sides to the
• 30:08
  character. His is the one character we get
• 30:10
  to know in the whole film. Everyone else on earth has
• 30:13
  scenes that last a minute or two in groups, problem solving,
• 30:16
  whatever it is, and they all do this well.
• 30:19
  And you need excellent actors to do this convincingly, but you
• 30:23
  aren't learning about their characters from the situation.
• 30:26
  No. So guys like Nick Muhammad,
• 30:29
  Donald Glover, Benedict Wong, Sean Bean, all small roles, but
• 30:33
  such important roles that they nail in this movie that make
• 30:37
  this movie so good. With Watney, we're focused on
• 30:41
  his whole character, so it needed to be a great round of
• 30:44
  performance. And that's what Matt Damon
• 30:45
  offers. It's science fiction, science
• 30:49
  fiction field, but it's very science fact.
• 30:52
  NASA helped with the filming. Oh, did.
• 30:54
  They and everything that occurred was within believable
• 30:57
  limits. Oh, really?
• 30:59
  Gravity I think they said. What did they say Gravity to?
• 31:03
  Oh, sorry, the film NASA. I should have written this note
• 31:05
  better. So Gravity was two years before
• 31:08
  this the film gravity. Oh.
• 31:09
  Yeah, which I did. The Science.
• 31:11
  Fiction film that was nominated for the Academy Award and yet
• 31:15
  there was no nomination for Interstellar, which was like the
• 31:18
  year before, which is. Ridiculous.
• 31:20
  Massive. Oversight.
• 31:21
  And then we have this one being nominated for the Academy Award
• 31:23
  as well. So it's great that at least
• 31:24
  science fiction films were being nominated and looked at
• 31:27
  seriously. Even one what The Martian, I
• 31:30
  think for the Golden Globes, was nominated for best comedy film
• 31:37
  rather than just the best drama film, and I think it won for
• 31:41
  that. And I'm pretty sure Matt Diamond
• 31:44
  won the Golden Globe as the best actor in a comedy film because
• 31:48
  they had two different the two sections for movies rather than
• 31:51
  just the 1. So it shows that the comedy in
• 31:55
  this film works really well, as well as the science and the
• 31:58
  seriousness of everything that's going on.
• 32:00
  It's a highly entertaining film in a year that has brought a
• 32:03
  huge rush of great films. And I gave this one five stars.
• 32:08
  I gave this 1/4 and 1/2. So what?
• 32:11
  What did it have to have more to be a five star film?
• 32:14
  Probably emotion. Really.
• 32:19
  Something like that you're. Right.
• 32:22
  Yeah. Again, I'd like to be sure.
• 32:24
  I couldn't imagine this film could have given me anything
• 32:27
  more from watching the film. Like I couldn't have got any
• 32:31
  more out of it. There's nothing they could have
• 32:32
  changed to make it better. I can't.
• 32:35
  I always want to know more about human nature, people's brains,
• 32:38
  what they're thinking. That's basically this one.
• 32:40
  And the last one we just. But they pretty much did that
• 32:42
  with Nick Watney. I mean, you had him the whole
• 32:44
  time. OK, well, you're gonna that's
• 32:46
  that's what I'm. Saying I'm just, I'm just
• 32:48
  putting my point. I'm not saying you're wrong and
• 32:50
  I'm not trying to say that yeah, you should, should have given
• 32:53
  this five. I'm asking the question, what
• 32:55
  more did you want out of it? Because I honestly don't can't
• 32:58
  see what more that film could have given out to have given 5
• 33:02
  stars. But there are probably people
• 33:04
  out there who hate this movie. At which point we'd say you're
• 33:07
  a, an idiot. This was this was nominated for
• 33:11
  seven Academy Awards. Yeah.
• 33:12
  Good. Yeah. 1 nun again.
• 33:16
  I've won Golden Globes, but didn't win anything for the
• 33:18
  Academy Awards. So it was nominated for Best
• 33:20
  Picture, Best Actor for Matt Damon, Best Adapted Screenplay,
• 33:25
  Best Production Design, Best Sound Editing, Best Sound
• 33:28
  Mixing, and Best Visual Effects. Our next film is Spotlight, and
• 33:39
  Spotlight is a 2015 American biographical drama film directed
• 33:44
  by Tom McCarthy and written by McCarthy and Josh Singer.
• 33:48
  The film follows the Boston Globe's Spotlight Team, the
• 33:51
  oldest continuously operating newspaper investigative
• 33:54
  journalist unit Journalist Unit Sorry in the United States, and
• 33:59
  its investigation into the decades long cover up of
• 34:02
  widespread and systematic child sex abuse by a numerous priests
• 34:06
  of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston.
• 34:09
  Although the plot was original, it is based on a series of
• 34:14
  stories by the Spotlight Team that earned the Globe the 2003
• 34:17
  Pulitzer Prize for Public Service.
• 34:21
  The film features an ensemble cast including Mark Ruffalo,
• 34:24
  Michael Keaton, Rachel McAdams, John Slattery, Stanley Tucci,
• 34:28
  Bryan D'Arcy, James Liv Schreiber and Billy Crudup.
• 34:32
  Helen, tell us all about Spotlight.
• 34:36
  Well, as you know, I don't really want to.
• 34:40
  This is a really, really hard movie for me to watch.
• 34:44
  The first time we watched it, I remember you put it on like you
• 34:48
  do, and I didn't know what we were gonna watch.
• 34:50
  And then it came out. And then I quickly realized what
• 34:52
  it was about and I wanted to leave the room.
• 34:56
  And this time I knew we were gonna watch it.
• 34:58
  And I was feeling very anxious and sick in the guts knowing
• 35:01
  that we had to watch this. But I sat through it.
• 35:06
  It's about, yeah, child sex abuse in the Catholic Church.
• 35:11
  So, yeah, it's difficult for me because I grew up in a
• 35:16
  demographic closely resembling this Irish, Italian, like East
• 35:21
  European migrant community, Catholic.
• 35:25
  It's like the Catholic Boston neighborhood.
• 35:26
  That's what I grew up in. I grew up in churches and
• 35:29
  schools where some of the parish priests have since been named
• 35:32
  and convicted of sex offences. One of my classmates attempted
• 35:36
  suicide when he was 15 and became a quadriplegic.
• 35:41
  And and that was because this happened to him.
• 35:43
  That's why he did that. And none of us knew what was
• 35:46
  going on. How does this happen?
• 35:48
  It's very confronting for me to watch.
• 35:53
  And the movie ends with a list of all the diocese worldwide
• 35:57
  where priests have committed child sex offences, which is
• 36:03
  it's good, it's powerful that they put that up there.
• 36:06
  But if you've lived in some of those places, that's very
• 36:09
  difficult. So yeah, that's my perspective.
• 36:13
  I also want to say my experience is that there are some great
• 36:16
  priests who have gone about their work blamelessly and have
• 36:20
  also suffered because of bad behavior of others being brushed
• 36:23
  under the carpet and tolerated by those in charge.
• 36:27
  This movie is very important, but it makes me sick.
• 36:32
  Over to you. That's the great pair of this
• 36:35
  film because it's brought up those emotions in you and that's
• 36:40
  that's how important not only the obvious investigation that
• 36:44
  went on in the 1st place was, but how important this movie
• 36:47
  was. And it's quite amazing that this
• 36:49
  film was made the way it was with everything that was left in
• 36:55
  the film. I mean, you would have expected
• 36:57
  that somewhere along the line someone would have said, oh, you
• 36:59
  can't say that. You can't do that.
• 37:01
  And it's incredibly good. But for me, there are two parts
• 37:08
  to this movie that I admire and enjoy immensely.
• 37:11
  And the first is the calling out of the systematic problem with
• 37:14
  the Catholic Church that was kept hidden and swept under the
• 37:16
  carpet for centuries. Probably for sure.
• 37:20
  And this film was not afraid to go right at the story and
• 37:23
  uncover it for what it was. And I think that is just
• 37:26
  amazing. But the second is the role of
• 37:30
  the purely amazing investigative journalism, something that in
• 37:34
  the modern day is fast declining due to the Internet and social
• 37:37
  media and those who hold a monopoly of these organizations
• 37:41
  for their own agendas. Yeah, the film showcases the
• 37:45
  important role of these teams within journalistic
• 37:47
  organizations. And so you've had your sort of
• 37:52
  experience with with the church side of it, and I had my
• 37:55
  experience with the journalist side of it.
• 37:56
  So I was going to be a journalist from the time I was
• 37:59
  probably 11 or 12 years old. And that's all I wanted to do
• 38:01
  was to be a journalist. And through those 10 years, all
• 38:05
  I wanted was to be to do what journalism is, which is see what
• 38:09
  happened, report the truth. Yeah.
• 38:11
  Don't extenuate. And in this day and age, that's
• 38:15
  not what journalism is. Real journalism no longer exists
• 38:18
  anywhere in the world. It's it's supposed this film
• 38:23
  shows what journalism is supposed to be about.
• 38:26
  It's about reporting the truth, finding out the truth and
• 38:28
  reporting the truth, not the pretend facade that it is in the
• 38:31
  modern day. And that's why I love this film
• 38:34
  so much, because it showcases exactly how journalists used to
• 38:38
  work and how journalism used to be.
• 38:41
  And it's so very sad that it just doesn't exist in that way
• 38:45
  for the main anywhere in the world.
• 38:47
  So we we don't get to the truth as much as we used to.
• 38:50
  Really. Well, we don't.
• 38:51
  The truth is, whatever the people now who own those
• 38:54
  organizations wanted to be. Yeah, their agenda.
• 38:56
  You get told what to report and it was the same through the late
• 39:00
  90s even in Australia. You, if you worked for certain
• 39:03
  newspapers in Australia, you would be directed as to how you
• 39:06
  could report something or what you'd report and what you would
• 39:09
  say. And that's not the truth.
• 39:10
  That's trying to set up someone else's agenda.
• 39:13
  Do you think that SBS and ABC are still doing proper
• 39:18
  journalism? They they've been reduced.
• 39:21
  They are generally, they are generally independent, yeah.
• 39:24
  But I think that they're certainly the ABC does have it's
• 39:30
  waverings one side or the other and it doesn't, it's not just on
• 39:33
  one side. And the great thing, not the
• 39:36
  great thing. The thing about the ABC is that
• 39:38
  they constantly get complaints from people about how they
• 39:42
  report things all the time. But it's not just people from
• 39:45
  one side of politics who complain about it.
• 39:47
  It's from both sides. They both think the other side
• 39:50
  is getting more of a fair shake. Yeah.
• 39:52
  And that at least shows that the ABC is trying to be impartial,
• 39:57
  impartial in the middle, whereas you won't get that in other
• 40:00
  newspapers. You'll only get one side of
• 40:03
  politics. Whatever will get the viewers or
• 40:06
  sell papers or whatever. And I'm sure that's still the
• 40:08
  same around the world, but obviously anything that's owned
• 40:11
  by Rupert Murdoch is going to have Rupert Murdoch's views
• 40:15
  reported without questions asked.
• 40:20
  Josh Singer, the Co writer of this, said this story isn't
• 40:24
  about exposing the Catholic Church.
• 40:26
  We are not on the same mission to rattle people's faith.
• 40:29
  In fact, Tom came from a Catholic family.
• 40:32
  The motive was to tell the story accurately while showing the
• 40:34
  power of The Newsroom, something that's largely disappeared
• 40:37
  today. This story is important,
• 40:39
  journalism is important, and there is a deeper message in the
• 40:42
  story. And I 100% agree with that.
• 40:44
  The way the movie is, it's exactly what I thought from it.
• 40:49
  What a cast. They're all amazing.
• 40:51
  In this film, yeah. Liv Schreiber was brilliantly
• 40:54
  understated as the new editor, Marty Baron.
• 40:56
  He was just fantastic. Mark Ruffalo on the back of
• 40:58
  Being the Hulk and then in a film that we watched a couple of
• 41:02
  episodes ago, The Kids Are All Right, which he was award nom
• 41:05
  nominated for, and then Foxcatcher the previous year,
• 41:08
  which he was also award nominated for.
• 41:12
  He was brilliant as Mike Resenders and he gets his third
• 41:16
  nomination in a row here, which he absolutely deserved for this
• 41:19
  role. He's just always so passionate.
• 41:21
  He is anything. You do and you can show.
• 41:22
  You can show you can do a Marvel movie and be a Marvel character,
• 41:24
  but you can still be a great actor in these.
• 41:26
  Normal films? Who would have thunk?
• 41:28
  Speaking of that, Michael Keaton on the back of Birdman previous
• 41:32
  year award nominated. He was wonderful as Walter
• 41:35
  Robinson, the dominating presence of The Newsroom, and
• 41:39
  Rachel McAdams is excellent as Sasha Pfeiffer.
• 41:43
  And this was the film that I think finally turned me around
• 41:48
  on her. Yeah, because you didn't like.
• 41:50
  Her not really. Didn't like the way she was.
• 41:52
  She was. In lots of girly flicks.
• 41:54
  She was, and I thought she was fabulous in this, really good.
• 42:00
  Stanley Tucci, as always, was amazing.
• 42:03
  His role just again, just being Stanley Tucci.
• 42:05
  I think he's just incredible. So for me, like The Big Short,
• 42:10
  this is one of the best films I've seen since we started doing
• 42:13
  this. This podcast, it's top of the
• 42:16
  tree. And once again, I'm going to
• 42:18
  give it five stars. Mine's 4 1/2 again too.
• 42:23
  I'm not going to ask that question.
• 42:24
  I've already asked it three times.
• 42:26
  We streamed this on ABC iview. It was nominated for six Academy
• 42:30
  Awards and it won two. It was nominated for Best
• 42:33
  picture, best director for Tom McCarthy, best supporting actor
• 42:36
  for Mark Ruffalo, Best supporting actress for Rachel
• 42:39
  McAdams, best original screenplay and best film
• 42:42
  editing. And may we never speak it again,
• 42:44
  eh? Yes, please.
• 42:52
  Well, let's move on to something that's even more terrible.
• 42:55
  The Reverent. Revenant.
• 42:57
  Revenant, sorry. Yes, yes, it's the same, same,
• 43:00
  isn't it? I don't know.
• 43:02
  I was going to look up what that means.
• 43:03
  Have you looked it up? No, I don't want to do that.
• 43:06
  You talk, you talk. I'll look it up.
• 43:07
  I'll. Continue to do what I've been
• 43:09
  doing this whole episode, carrying this episode again, I
• 43:11
  am well. You always do the good research.
• 43:14
  I do, but I've obviously fallen down here because you know,
• 43:17
  revenant. This is of course, the revenant,
• 43:22
  or is it, or is it the reverend? Revenant, meaning revenant is a
• 43:26
  person who has returned specifically a visible ghost or
• 43:30
  animated corpse that returns from the dead.
• 43:33
  There you go that that sounds a bit like this film.
• 43:35
  It does. Yeah, because it is about It is
• 43:38
  a 2015 American epic Western action drama film directed by
• 43:43
  Alessandro Gonzalez Inaratu. The screenplay by Mark L Smith
• 43:47
  and Inarato is based in part on Michael Punk's 2002 novel The
• 43:53
  Revenant. How to believe, Isn't it?
• 43:56
  Not The Reverend, which describes frontiers man Hugh
• 43:59
  Glass's experiences in 1823? The film stars Leonardo de
• 44:04
  Cabrio. Try that again, Bill Leonardo
• 44:06
  DiCaprio. That's hard to roll off the
• 44:08
  tongue as Glass, alongside Tom Hardy, Domino Gleeson and Will
• 44:13
  Poulter tell us all about The Revenant and the Reverent.
• 44:17
  Amazing story, amazing performances.
• 44:21
  I just think so cold and desolate and miserable.
• 44:24
  How did anyone survive the frontier times in the USI don't
• 44:28
  know how they did. There's a lot of violence and
• 44:31
  it's graphic at times, so it's not for the faint hearted.
• 44:35
  But for me, this is another. The other Helen's top pick in
• 44:40
  this. I've got two, yeah.
• 44:42
  How can you have two top picks? You told me what I did to have
• 44:45
  one. Well, one or two.
• 44:50
  Depends how many good movies there are, but for you it sounds
• 44:53
  like there's at least three. Maybe there'll be 4 now.
• 44:55
  Well, well, who knows? That's all you've got.
• 44:59
  Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a really amazingly filmed movie.
• 45:04
  The cast are all fantastic. Yeah, that that's that.
• 45:07
  It's good. The first thing I've just
• 45:10
  written here is death toll in the reverend.
• 45:12
  Since it's reverent, I keep I've actually written Revenant, but
• 45:15
  I've actually said reverend. Yes, going well yes, death to
• 45:20
  all because everyone dies. Yeah, there's a lot of.
• 45:22
  It's kind of Quentin Ish, Quentin Tarantino ish, in that
• 45:25
  everyone dies in the end. There are, there are a lot of
• 45:29
  amazing scenes in this film, but the two amazing scenes are the
• 45:33
  opening scene where the Indians come to try and get back the
• 45:36
  pelts. Yep, the way that that's filmed
• 45:38
  again, because Inaratu had filmed Birdman the previous.
• 45:42
  Year. Oh, is that the same?
• 45:44
  So he's done. That whole whole movie is almost
• 45:46
  like in one sort. Of yeah.
• 45:48
  The whole way through. And it's got that.
• 45:49
  Feel in this one and he does that exact same thing do that in
• 45:52
  that opening scene that's. Exactly.
• 45:53
  Like when in that opening scene, when it pans around, the camera
• 45:56
  pans around and you see all these Indians coming from all
• 45:59
  directions. How does he do that?
• 46:01
  Like, where's all the equipment? Where are all the people filming
• 46:03
  and doing the sound? And how does that happen?
• 46:05
  Correct. It's all brilliantly.
• 46:07
  Done. It is.
• 46:08
  So that scene's amazing. And the scene where glass gets
• 46:10
  mauled by the bed. Oh, I'll never forget that, Yes.
• 46:15
  It was funny watching it this the second time so we watched it
• 46:18
  when it first came out and then suddenly the other time I've
• 46:21
  watched. It yeah, same with me.
• 46:22
  It wasn't quite as confronting this time because I knew it was
• 46:24
  coming when we watched it that first time and we thought, Oh my
• 46:27
  God, he's and he's still going and he's still.
• 46:30
  Just it's so lifelike, though. It's like you're there and
• 46:34
  that's really happening in front of you.
• 46:36
  Like you see everything and you hear everything.
• 46:38
  You think, oh, we're just going to see him RIP open his guts in
• 46:40
  you? That's amazing.
• 46:44
  Yeah. But those two scenes in
• 46:45
  themselves are worth watching the film for because they're
• 46:49
  just so amazingly done. Tom Hardy, who plays the
• 46:54
  terrible person here in the in the film, his character and the
• 46:58
  way he plays it is very reminiscent.
• 46:59
  I think I said to you at the time of Tom Behringer in
• 47:02
  Platoon. Yeah, you did say.
• 47:03
  That like Tom Behringer, and he's just like that character in
• 47:06
  Platoon and I. Troubled, troubled and mumbling.
• 47:09
  I don't know if he based it on that or not or not, whether he
• 47:13
  based it on that or not. But if he came out and said he
• 47:17
  did, then I'd be the first one to say yes, I knew that.
• 47:20
  And if he said he didn't, I'd be saying you're lying.
• 47:23
  You should go watch Platoon mate.
• 47:24
  Yeah, go and watch Platoon and find out.
• 47:26
  The bear attack was amazing. I just said he you want acting.
• 47:30
  Leo trying to scream while he was sick and his son was being
• 47:33
  killed. That whole scene of him doing
• 47:37
  that was just incredible. That is acting.
• 47:40
  I mean, that's if you're going to get Leo DiCaprio in for a
• 47:45
  role and he's going to offer you that, well, that's why he gets
• 47:48
  in his roles every year. And every year he's in a film
• 47:51
  that's nominated for the Academy Award.
• 47:53
  Mainly, I think because of his acting, because he was just
• 47:56
  brilliant once again in all of those.
• 47:58
  Forever. All the movies we've seen him.
• 48:01
  In all the way back to growing pains.
• 48:02
  Yeah, yeah. Not maybe not that.
• 48:04
  No. What's eating Gilbert?
• 48:06
  Great. That's where I started.
• 48:07
  Of course, my love of Leo. Yes, with Johnny Depp, yeah,
• 48:10
  some told me. Yeah.
• 48:12
  And TomTom Hardy's character just being a criminal all the
• 48:16
  way through and being so good at it.
• 48:18
  It was so good, so good at that role.
• 48:23
  Everything about this film is confronting from every single
• 48:27
  side. Like there's the bear attack and
• 48:28
  there's the the leaving in there to die and then there's.
• 48:31
  Scalpings. The scalpings and and the
• 48:34
  Indians keep coming back to find other people and.
• 48:37
  The girls being stolen and, you know, by the US people, you
• 48:43
  know, the The Pioneers. The French, actually.
• 48:46
  OK, yes, they were the French in that.
• 48:47
  Position Were they the French always the bad guys?
• 48:49
  They can't. They can't help but be the.
• 48:51
  Bad, but that was another confronting part.
• 48:53
  About it was yeah, the. We had the standard Buffalo
• 48:57
  scene, of course, as you always must have in these films.
• 48:59
  And once again, it was just fabulous to see.
• 49:01
  I don't know how they do that kind of stuff.
• 49:04
  Obviously Leo's character Glass didn't have much luck.
• 49:08
  Luck along the way. You seen a So you'd be just
• 49:11
  getting better or just getting OK, and then there'd be another
• 49:14
  river or another Cliff or something, whatever, they had to
• 49:17
  fall over and then you'd be back in trouble again.
• 49:19
  But. He just kept surviving.
• 49:21
  Or he falls out of the Cliff and then he's got to open up the
• 49:23
  horse and and sleep inside the horse like Luke Skywalk again
• 49:27
  inside the Taunton. Yeah, the Taunton, yeah.
• 49:31
  So yeah, all of that was great. I thought Donald Gleeson was
• 49:34
  really good in his role as well. And the young kid Will Pulto
• 49:37
  actually played. He was very good in his role
• 49:39
  too. This was too long, yen.
• 49:43
  I didn't notice. Oh, I did.
• 49:44
  Anything over 2 hours has to be truly good to remain focused on
• 49:48
  the story. And this was 2 1/2.
• 49:51
  Yeah, over 2 1/2 hours. It was 2 hours, 37.
• 49:53
  I was all right. It was way too long.
• 49:55
  I got itchy feet again. I was thinking, oh, come on,
• 49:58
  let's just get to the point. But an amazing film.
• 50:03
  But for me, 4 stars. Oh.
• 50:05
  Really. Mine's 4 1/2.
• 50:07
  Yeah, it's up there with the five star ones.
• 50:11
  How can it be because you haven't given anything five
• 50:13
  stars? We streamed this on Disney Plus.
• 50:18
  Honestly, the four stars, again, I think it is very confronting.
• 50:21
  But it was the length of the story and just the pace of the
• 50:24
  story, which I look back on the film on the Big Short, it was
• 50:29
  just, and even the martial, just everything's cut beautifully and
• 50:34
  the story keeps moving and keeps going at that pace that, you
• 50:38
  know, you haven't got time to think about it.
• 50:40
  Whereas this one gives you more time to think about each scene
• 50:44
  as it's going along, which is fine.
• 50:47
  But for me, it's just, you know, it's a long film to have to sit
• 50:51
  there and. I I didn't mind that, getting to
• 50:54
  feel like I was there in those woods.
• 50:57
  Well, you did because you got about 17 blankets while you
• 51:00
  were. I was.
• 51:00
  Freezing because there was so much snow and icy water.
• 51:06
  So. What did you I?
• 51:07
  I also enjoyed that that the ending was ambiguous.
• 51:12
  Oh. We won't.
• 51:13
  We won't tell people in case they watch it, but we will.
• 51:15
  I I enjoyed that. I don't think you don't.
• 51:18
  I don't think it was ambiguous, OK.
• 51:20
  I think he's going off to die. He's he's following his wife and
• 51:23
  then she they were going off into the distance.
• 51:25
  But we don't know. I like that.
• 51:27
  I think he was done. I think he does too.
• 51:31
  But I know what you mean by the way that it went.
• 51:34
  And it wasn't just he's dead and he gets found dead.
• 51:37
  Yeah, it's, you know, he's. He's joyfully going off alive
• 51:40
  like there's a question mark. Yeah, he certainly wasn't going
• 51:42
  anywhere. Joyful.
• 51:43
  No. Yeah.
• 51:45
  Streamed on Disney Plus in Australia.
• 51:47
  Nominated for 12 Academy Awards. Wow.
• 51:50
  But only won 3. So it was nominated for Best
• 51:53
  Picture, Best Director, Best Actor for Leonardo DiCaprio,
• 51:58
  Best Supporting actor for Tom Hardy, Best cinematography, Best
• 52:02
  costume design, best film Editing, best makeup and hair
• 52:05
  styling, best production design, best sound editing, best sound
• 52:08
  mixing and best visual effects, Which if you watch the film, you
• 52:12
  would say it probably deserves to be nominated.
• 52:14
  For all of those things, it was the standout in cinematography
• 52:18
  out of all of them were nominated for me.
• 52:22
  You might be giving away secrets here.
• 52:24
  I don't know for sure. All righty, let's move on to
• 52:33
  Bridge of Spies. And Bridge of Spies is a 2015
• 52:37
  historical drama film directed and Co produced by Steven
• 52:41
  Spielberg, written by Mark Sharman and the Coen Brothers,
• 52:45
  and starring Tom Hanks in the lead role.
• 52:47
  Mark Rylance, Amy Ryan and Alan Alda star in supporting roles.
• 52:53
  Set during the Cold War, the film tells the story of lawyer
• 52:56
  James B Donovan, who is entrusted with negotiating the
• 52:59
  release of Francis Gary Powers, a convicted Central Intelligence
• 53:03
  agent's pilot whose U2 spy plane was shot down over the Soviet
• 53:07
  Union in 1960. And they're looking to get him
• 53:10
  back in exchange for Rudolf Abel, a convicted Soviet KGB spy
• 53:15
  held by the United States, whom Donovan had represented at his
• 53:19
  trial. The name of the film refers to
• 53:22
  the is it the Glenneke? I think Glenneke Bridge, which
• 53:26
  connects Potsdam with Berlin where the prisoner exchange took
• 53:30
  place. Tell us all about Bridge of
• 53:32
  Spies, Helen. So I wonder why we'd never heard
• 53:35
  of this one, despite Tom Hanks being in it and everything.
• 53:41
  I don't know. Yeah, because I mean, it's
• 53:43
  interesting. It's very intriguing and it's
• 53:47
  based on a true story. Very much based on a true story
• 53:50
  about a Russian spy court case and a prisoner exchange during
• 53:54
  the Cold War, which was negotiated by AUS lawyer instead
• 53:59
  of the US government. Yeah.
• 54:02
  Interesting storage trajectory and subject matter.
• 54:07
  Yeah. What do you think?
• 54:09
  Yeah, so he was given. They wanted to make sure that he
• 54:13
  it looked like that he had the proper defense so that they
• 54:17
  couldn't, they couldn't. The Russians couldn't say, Oh
• 54:18
  well, he didn't get any help from being.
• 54:21
  Convicted. And so they chose this crack
• 54:24
  insurance lawyer, didn't they? Yeah, it's really interesting.
• 54:27
  And the fact that, like the lawyer Donovan, Jim Donovan
• 54:32
  decided that not only was he going to pursue this and try to
• 54:37
  say that he was, you know, but firstly as well, because they'd
• 54:42
  gone through the room without the proper warrant, which he
• 54:44
  eventually was going to use as part of his case, But he just
• 54:48
  wanted to represent his client, is what he was saying.
• 54:53
  Yeah, he, he liked the law. The letter of the law, Yeah.
• 54:56
  Didn't he? That's right.
• 54:57
  And he was just he wasn't worried about the guilt or no
• 55:00
  innocence of his client. He just wanted to give him the
• 55:03
  best defense. And then, of course, when he was
• 55:05
  found, he pushed for him not to be given the death penalty
• 55:10
  because he said that there's a possibility that maybe somewhere
• 55:14
  down the track we'll need an exchange.
• 55:16
  Prisoner swap. Yeah, yeah, very wise.
• 55:19
  Which eventually came to pass, but it was interesting that he
• 55:22
  also took it to the Supreme Court and that the when it came
• 55:27
  back from the Supreme Court that he only lost 45.
• 55:32
  It was close. I wonder what would have
• 55:33
  happened if the Supreme Court had ruled in his favour and he'd
• 55:37
  gotten off. I mean, that would have changed
• 55:40
  everything because then we wouldn't have had the prisoner
• 55:41
  exchange. Yeah.
• 55:43
  And he would have been free to leave.
• 55:45
  Yeah, the country and the sudden probably go back to Russia
• 55:48
  anyway. And.
• 55:48
  And that poor U2 pilot stuck in Russia.
• 55:51
  And that student in Berlin? Yeah, they would have been stuck
• 55:55
  there. I think that's really
• 55:56
  interesting that the fact that the Supreme Court was also split
• 55:59
  5/4 in that and that was an interesting part of the story.
• 56:01
  So the whole first sort of part, half of the movie is about that,
• 56:06
  about him being caught and then being tried and and Jim Donovan
• 56:10
  there acting as his attorney. And then we have the second part
• 56:13
  where we've said, OK, this guy's been shot down over Russia and
• 56:17
  did all the wrong things, didn't blow up his plane, didn't take
• 56:20
  his suicide thing like he'd all been taught.
• 56:22
  So Russia suddenly had this plane and all of its technology,
• 56:27
  and they had their pilot alive. And as I said, he was the most
• 56:32
  hated man in America. Yeah, isn't that awful?
• 56:35
  Because he hadn't killed himself.
• 56:36
  Yeah, and he's playing. So heartless.
• 56:39
  And so then, of course, it's, you know, they send Jim Donovan
• 56:41
  over to to work out an exchange for him.
• 56:45
  But then at the same time, there's this American student
• 56:48
  who's been caught in East Germany at the wrong time when
• 56:52
  the wall was going up and that he had to try and get him out as
• 56:55
  well. And he's he's forced it.
• 56:57
  Rather than being just a swap for one, he wanted a swap for
• 56:59
  both. So it's all very well done.
• 57:03
  And again, the story is based, the movie is based on the true
• 57:07
  story. So how much of it is actually
• 57:12
  true? The actual events are true, like
• 57:13
  the exchange on the bridge is true and that they had to wait
• 57:17
  until the student was passed the Checkpoint Charlie before they
• 57:22
  actually made the exchange. On the bridge, OK.
• 57:24
  And that scene is filmed on the actual bridge.
• 57:26
  Is it? Yeah.
• 57:27
  So that was an interesting point of history.
• 57:29
  Yeah, I thought. And the movie itself was very
• 57:31
  easy to watch. And like you say, it's hard to
• 57:33
  believe that, well, that's this the first time we've seen the
• 57:36
  film. We wouldn't have even known the
• 57:38
  name of the film or the film existed if we weren't doing this
• 57:41
  podcast. And we've been able to watch a
• 57:43
  film that that was very watchable.
• 57:46
  Everyone in it was terrific. Mark Rylance was excellent.
• 57:50
  Tom Hanks is always fantastic. Amy Ryan, again, just in a small
• 57:55
  role as his wife, but she does her stuff so very easily as
• 57:59
  well. And, and it's always noticeable
• 58:01
  in the roles that she does, that she performs them well.
• 58:07
  So yeah, I thought this was a terrific film and I gave this
• 58:11
  four stars. I gave it 3 1/2.
• 58:14
  I reckon you just look at all my things and just give an half
• 58:17
  less than that, not give it the same as bill.
• 58:19
  So I actually had to buy this on DVD because you cannot find it
• 58:23
  anywhere to stream on any streaming service.
• 58:26
  You can't find it anywhere to rent as a streaming service.
• 58:30
  You can buy it digitally, but of course that then costs you
• 58:35
  anywhere between 16 and $20, which is a lot of money to spend
• 58:39
  on something you didn't know if it was going to be any good.
• 58:41
  Yeah, so I found the DVD for $3.50 on eBay.
• 58:44
  No doubt about your. Bill, I can now go straight into
• 58:47
  the collection and we can watch it again sometime.
• 58:49
  Maybe I'll be awake for a whole lot, because I must admit I fell
• 58:53
  asleep in a little part of it. I wasn't going to say it, but
• 58:56
  yes, I was. I was going to suggest, well,
• 58:57
  that's the shortest review Helen's given all day.
• 58:59
  I wonder why? Yeah, I was a bit tired.
• 59:03
  Yeah, a bit. Tired.
• 59:04
  Yeah, I saw almost all of it. It probably maybe 10-15 minutes.
• 59:08
  Where? Almost all of it means anywhere
• 59:10
  just 40 to 60% of the film. Really, what I saw was good.
• 59:13
  That's excellent. This was nominated for six
• 59:16
  Academy Awards, and it won one. It was nominated for best
• 59:19
  picture. I know that surprises you.
• 59:22
  Yes, best supporting actor for Mark Rylance, best original
• 59:26
  screenplay, best original score, best production design and best
• 59:29
  sound mixing. And the other thing we didn't
• 59:32
  mention, but Steven Spielberg directed it, Yes, but the Coen
• 59:36
  brothers also helped to write it.
• 59:38
  Again, they've and you'd. Think they would have been more
• 59:40
  involved in The Revenant? The Coen brothers, like The
• 59:44
  Revenant is their sort of movie, isn't.
• 59:46
  It it is, but I mean, this, this was lady came in to help out
• 59:50
  with. I think I read somewhere that
• 59:52
  there's only a couple of scenes they wanted to be to help with a
• 59:54
  couple of scenes. And so they were brought in to
• 59:57
  overlook it. And then they gave they did
• 59:59
  their bit and then it went back to the original writer to have a
• 1:00:02
  look at it, to make sure he was happy with it, that it fit into
• 1:00:04
  the plot of everything he was. And he said, you know, the the
• 1:00:07
  stuff that they produced was just fantastic.
• 1:00:09
  He improved the film now in. So that's just what they do,
• 1:00:13
  don't they? Come on, brothers.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah. Well we've got one film to go
• 1:00:23
  and that is Mad Max Fury Rd. which is a 2015 Australian post
• 1:00:30
  apocalyptic action film Co written, Co produced and
• 1:00:34
  directed by George Miller who collaborated with Brendan
• 1:00:37
  McCarthy and Niko Letharis on the screenplay.
• 1:00:40
  The 4th instalment in the Mad Max franchise, the film stars
• 1:00:44
  Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron with Nicholas Holt Hughes, Key
• 1:00:48
  Byrne, Rosie Huntington, Whiteley Riley Keough, Zoe
• 1:00:52
  Kravitz, Abbottleigh, Abby Lee sorry and Courtney Eaton.
• 1:00:57
  Set in the post apocalyptic desert wasteland where petrol
• 1:01:00
  and water are scarce commodities, it follows Max
• 1:01:03
  rockatansky played by Hardy who joins forces with imperata
• 1:01:07
  furiosa played by Theron against warlord Immortan Joe and his
• 1:01:12
  army leading to a lengthy Rd. battle.
• 1:01:16
  Helen, tell us all about Mad Max Fury Rd.
• 1:01:21
  Well, what a hectic piece of viewing.
• 1:01:24
  The action and speed on Fury Rd. just does not stop for the whole
• 1:01:29
  movie. What makes it for me though is
• 1:01:33
  the way the machines and accessories are crafted.
• 1:01:36
  Such an eye for detail and inventiveness in upcycling and
• 1:01:41
  creativity. I loved that part of it.
• 1:01:44
  I don't love the Mad Max franchise, but the art of how
• 1:01:48
  the scenes were directed and camera angles along with the
• 1:01:51
  overall design make it worthwhile for me.
• 1:01:54
  The story's nothing much. Doesn't have to be.
• 1:01:58
  There's a lot going on. When this was released, I went
• 1:02:01
  to the CDs at the movies with one of my best mates and we
• 1:02:05
  walked in not thinking about if it was going to be great, awful
• 1:02:08
  or whatever. We just thought we'll go and
• 1:02:10
  have a look. And we walked out and we looked
• 1:02:13
  at each other and we said we just turn around and go back in
• 1:02:16
  and watch that again. It is.
• 1:02:18
  And we've both said this for the whole time, since it is the most
• 1:02:21
  actionliest action film, yes ever made.
• 1:02:24
  Probably. It spends 2/3 of the movie just
• 1:02:28
  go on the road, stop on the road all the way one way and then
• 1:02:32
  they stay stop for 5 minutes and then they turn around and they
• 1:02:35
  go back again. And that's the movie, Yes.
• 1:02:38
  And it is just unbelievably brilliant.
• 1:02:42
  It doesn't stop. Every scene just keeps going.
• 1:02:45
  And then you keep thinking, oh God, there's another one.
• 1:02:46
  Oh my God, what's he going to do?
• 1:02:47
  Oh, what's he doing and where's he come from?
• 1:02:50
  And. And just that the vehicles keep
• 1:02:51
  going while all this fighting and all this stuff is going on
• 1:02:54
  like while they're moving. It is all just absolutely
• 1:02:57
  brilliant and George Miller uses the same fighting technique in
• 1:03:04
  the scenes that he had with that original films.
• 1:03:06
  Anyone who's seen the original Mad Max and that is almost 50
• 1:03:10
  years ago now. The same scenes where he fades
• 1:03:14
  with the music straight to black and then straight back in again
• 1:03:17
  with the next scene, and when he goes in on the eyes, he goes
• 1:03:23
  right in on the face. And the eyes.
• 1:03:25
  The same things he did in that first film, he uses again here
• 1:03:28
  so that it makes you feel like you're watching Mad Max, because
• 1:03:31
  that's. Increases the intensity the.
• 1:03:33
  Same filming techniques and everything like that, which is
• 1:03:36
  fabulous. I thought all of the the
• 1:03:40
  characters were really well done.
• 1:03:41
  I thought Shalise Serron, when I went into the movie, I was like,
• 1:03:46
  oh, what's her character going to be like?
• 1:03:47
  What's she really going to be doing?
• 1:03:48
  And she was unbelievably good. Yeah, very strong.
• 1:03:52
  Just absolutely fantastic as Furiosa.
• 1:03:57
  And Nicholas Holt was just brilliant as the war boy.
• 1:04:02
  He's, I mean, and he's done so much since now.
• 1:04:06
  And he was saying, oh, it looks really weird when he's when he's
• 1:04:09
  bald. But of course, for those of you
• 1:04:11
  who've watched the recent Superman film, the Lex Luthor is
• 1:04:15
  Nicholas Holt. And he's also bald.
• 1:04:16
  Yeah. Well then I said he looks like
• 1:04:18
  Billy Corgan. Well, he does.
• 1:04:19
  Those of you who know Smashing Pumpkins lead singer.
• 1:04:23
  So that was great. Here's Key Byrne, who anyone
• 1:04:26
  who's seen the first film, he played the toe cutter in the
• 1:04:28
  first film and he plays a Morton Joe here.
• 1:04:31
  He passed away a couple of years after this film, but that was a
• 1:04:34
  nice touch to bring him bring the actor back to play the
• 1:04:37
  villain again. I thought that was really good.
• 1:04:40
  So many familiar Australian actors, old Australian actors
• 1:04:44
  who all got a run in this film, say George Miller did the right
• 1:04:48
  thing with all that, kept all those Australians in there.
• 1:04:51
  Angus Sampson was fantastic in his small role.
• 1:04:54
  John Howard was great in his small role.
• 1:04:58
  And and then Tom Hardy, I mean, he was he's just been in the the
• 1:05:03
  Reverend Reverend and he's played that villain so well.
• 1:05:08
  And then here he's playing the hero, the anti hero with very
• 1:05:13
  much less to say. And he was absolutely fantastic.
• 1:05:16
  Yeah, he was. Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  One of the big things about this film is that has come up in
• 1:05:22
  years since and it's a rumour and it's a fan sort of idea is
• 1:05:29
  that if for those who've watched the the first three Mad Max
• 1:05:34
  films, obviously they're all in the in the 1980s and this was
• 1:05:37
  like 30 years later. So if anyone's seen the last two
• 1:05:42
  films, Max, the character of Max, which is played by Mel
• 1:05:45
  Gibson in those days, it's pretty boot up and he's, you
• 1:05:50
  know, his knees and his legs aren't real good and he's got
• 1:05:52
  metal things on them and that kind of thing.
• 1:05:55
  And then you see Max here, played by Tom Hardy, and he's
• 1:06:01
  pretty fit. He's looks much better than he
• 1:06:03
  he should from moving out in the desert.
• 1:06:05
  And the other thing is that his car, yeah, that is in this film.
• 1:06:08
  Yep. Anyone who's seen Mad Max two
• 1:06:11
  knows that his car got left in the compound where when they
• 1:06:16
  were doing the last scene and they were trying to get the the
• 1:06:18
  fuel truck with to when they were going to their next place.
• 1:06:23
  And it ended up he was the decoy and all the other people were in
• 1:06:27
  the bus going in another direction, and his car was not
• 1:06:30
  with him when at the end of that film.
• 1:06:32
  So one of the conspiracy theories of this film is that
• 1:06:37
  this character isn't Max Rockatansky.
• 1:06:40
  It's actually the little kid from Mad Max 2 who couldn't
• 1:06:44
  speak and had a friend of Max. And that Max had saved a couple
• 1:06:50
  of times and that he'd looked up to as a hero.
• 1:06:54
  And that it ended up that this was this little kid who was
• 1:06:57
  grown up. And that he when he was finally
• 1:07:00
  asked for his name at the end and he finally said Max, my name
• 1:07:03
  is Max, I guess. It's possible is.
• 1:07:05
  He so that's, I mean, George Miller has always said, no,
• 1:07:09
  that's not the case. But that hasn't stopped a lot of
• 1:07:12
  people out there on the Internet with far too much time on their
• 1:07:14
  hands going through the story and saying, you know, just look
• 1:07:17
  at it all if you look at it all adds up.
• 1:07:19
  It's obviously it's the kid. It's not it's not Max Rocket
• 1:07:21
  dancing. And yeah, that would mean that,
• 1:07:24
  you know, because Mel Gibson's character would have been far
• 1:07:28
  older than what Tom Hardy's is. Yes, if you really want to get
• 1:07:31
  there to that kind of stuff, whatever it is, it doesn't
• 1:07:33
  matter. It's a great film.
• 1:07:34
  It's it is the actioniest action film of all time and it is five
• 1:07:40
  stars. It is absolutely breeded.
• 1:07:42
  It's. Only 3 1/2 for me.
• 1:07:45
  It's not my kind of film, is it Bill?
• 1:07:47
  That's ludicrous. 3 1/2 stars. Oh geez.
• 1:07:52
  Ah, if I could walk out now I would.
• 1:07:54
  It's ridiculous. So watched on Amazon Prime in
• 1:07:59
  Australia, nominated for 10 Academy Awards.
• 1:08:02
  Oh, was it it won six. That's how much, you know,
• 1:08:05
  putting an half star's girl over there, that's.
• 1:08:06
  Fine. It would have been all about
• 1:08:08
  directing and camera and, you know, editing and special
• 1:08:13
  effects and the creative stuff. It was nominated for Best
• 1:08:17
  Picture, Best Director, Best Cinematography, Best Costume
• 1:08:20
  Design, which it won for YEAH, Film Editing, which it won for
• 1:08:23
  Best Makeup and Hair Styling, which it won for Yeah, Best
• 1:08:26
  production Design, which it won. I can see all.
• 1:08:28
  That best sound editing, which it won for, best sound mixing,
• 1:08:31
  which it won for, and best visual effects.
• 1:08:34
  Yep, it's a great film. It's the actioniest action film
• 1:08:39
  of all time. Go and see it, and then when you
• 1:08:41
  see it, see it again. Right now we're at the end of
• 1:08:50
  the program here, but the most important part of the program,
• 1:08:53
  because this is where we find out just how accurate we are in
• 1:08:56
  what we think are the performances and what the
• 1:08:58
  Academy thought were the best performances.
• 1:09:02
  What chances are we? Well, it's only opinion.
• 1:09:05
  Ah, oh, OK. I thought it was more than that.
• 1:09:09
  Or is it? Or is it?
• 1:09:10
  You mean that you're saying that it's opinion, and then there's
• 1:09:12
  your opinion, which is the right opinion?
• 1:09:14
  For me it is. Yeah, there you go.
• 1:09:16
  What surprise Okie dokie. Well, let's go through them.
• 1:09:21
  And we're going to start off with Best Picture.
• 1:09:24
  So what did you give as Best Picture?
• 1:09:26
  My choice would be the Revenant. What about you?
• 1:09:29
  The Big Short for me. Yeah, that was a toss up, but I
• 1:09:32
  had to choose one. Yep, fair enough.
• 1:09:34
  So as we all know, the pictures that were nominated were
• 1:09:36
  Spotlight, The Big Short, Bridge of Spies, Brooklyn, Mad Max Fury
• 1:09:42
  Rd. The Martian, The Revenant and
• 1:09:45
  Room. So Spotlight won the best
• 1:09:48
  picture, which I think given the subject matter and the way that
• 1:09:55
  it was filmed and the way it was acted, I think that was fairly
• 1:09:58
  likely from the Academy. But the big Show for me was far
• 1:10:02
  more entertaining. Well, it wasn't far more
• 1:10:03
  entertaining. It was more entertaining, more
• 1:10:05
  entertaining than drama filled. Yeah, but it was the serious
• 1:10:09
  film. It was spotlight.
• 1:10:10
  Yeah, absolutely. It deserves it.
• 1:10:12
  It. Does what about best director?
• 1:10:15
  Best director? Well, I think for me it's
• 1:10:20
  Alessandro Gonzalez Inneritu for the Revenant, right?
• 1:10:24
  Yeah, I went with George Miller because I just thought I've got.
• 1:10:27
  Him written down too, but I couldn't choose too.
• 1:10:29
  George Miller or Adam McKay? I thought they both both as but
• 1:10:33
  I mean 345 of these films were all yeah a.
• 1:10:37
  Strong contender is the best director.
• 1:10:40
  So inaratu one OK for that. The other nominees were Adam
• 1:10:45
  McKay for The Big Short, George Miller for Mad Max Fury Rd.
• 1:10:49
  Lenny Abrahamson for Room and Tom McCarthy for Spotlight.
• 1:10:52
  So probably those five are all pretty much pretty right.
• 1:10:57
  Best Actor in a leading role. Well, I'm going to say Leonardo
• 1:11:02
  DiCaprio for The Revenant. Yes, I did as well.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah, Again, could have said many people, but the way, as I
• 1:11:14
  said, in those scenes where he, we actually needed acting, if
• 1:11:16
  you want to see acting, you had to see him in those scenes.
• 1:11:19
  It was outstanding. He won for that role for The
• 1:11:25
  Revenant and the other nominees were Ryan Cranston in Trumbo,
• 1:11:28
  which we also saw, and he was very good in that.
• 1:11:31
  Matt Damon in The Martian. Michael Fassbender in Steve Jobs
• 1:11:35
  as Steve Jobs. Well, I've never seen that film.
• 1:11:37
  No. I don't know if I can imagine
• 1:11:39
  Michael Fassbender being Steve Jobs anyway, I only think of him
• 1:11:43
  as being a terrible person. And Eddie Redmayne for the
• 1:11:46
  Danish Girl. Have you ever seen The Danish
• 1:11:48
  Girl? That's for me, I think, isn't
• 1:11:51
  it? The painter?
• 1:11:52
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:11:53
  I don't know. If I have, I know that was good.
• 1:11:57
  I don't know. The Danish Girl is a
• 1:11:58
  biographical romantic drama film directed by Tom Hooper, based on
• 1:12:01
  the 2000 novel the same name and loosely inspired by the lives of
• 1:12:05
  Danish painters Lily Elby and Gender Regina.
• 1:12:10
  Something like that. OK, I don't think I have seen
• 1:12:12
  it. Yeah, OK.
• 1:12:13
  I definitely have not best actress in a leading role.
• 1:12:17
  Best Actress? Who did I say?
• 1:12:19
  I said Brie Larson. From The Room, Yeah, Saturday.
• 1:12:22
  But I've also got Shalise Terron, not a day too, because
• 1:12:26
  she was good. Brie Larson did win for that.
• 1:12:29
  Who would have thought you'd know all this stuff?
• 1:12:31
  Helen Peters. The other nominees were Cate
• 1:12:34
  Blanchett, as per always for Carol.
• 1:12:36
  Don't know that film. Jennifer Lawrence as Joy, don't
• 1:12:42
  know that film. Charlotte Rampling in 45 years,
• 1:12:44
  don't know that film. And Sushi Ronan for Brooklyn.
• 1:12:49
  Yep, Yep. A lot of films there that I
• 1:12:51
  definitely don't want to see best actor in a supporting role.
• 1:12:56
  So would you say that Jacob Tremblay from the room was a
• 1:13:00
  supporting? I would say so.
• 1:13:02
  Well, yeah, I think, I think I'd go him.
• 1:13:05
  If not, it'd be Tom Hardy in The Revenant.
• 1:13:07
  But yeah. I said Tom Hardy, but then I've
• 1:13:11
  also thrown in there Christian Bale and Steve Carell because
• 1:13:14
  they were both brilliant, but Tom Hardy was so brilliantly
• 1:13:19
  evil and self-centered in that film.
• 1:13:22
  He was just so good. So yes, Tom Hardy for the
• 1:13:25
  Reverent Revenant. So that award went to Mark
• 1:13:30
  Rylance for Bridge of Spies. All right.
• 1:13:32
  So very understated and. And he was very good in that
• 1:13:36
  role. Yeah.
• 1:13:39
  Gee. Other nominees were Christian
• 1:13:40
  Bale for The Big Short, Tom Hardy for The Revenant, Mark
• 1:13:43
  Ruffalo for Spotlight and Sylvester Stallone in Creed.
• 1:13:48
  Didn't see Creed. I did.
• 1:13:51
  I don't know if he was a best supporting actor category thing.
• 1:13:55
  There's a lot of others who could have, but there you go.
• 1:13:58
  What about Best Actress in a supporting role?
• 1:14:02
  It would have been. Is it Rachel McAdams?
• 1:14:06
  Yes. In Spotlight.
• 1:14:08
  Spotlight, Spotlight, yeah. I went with Jane Allen in room.
• 1:14:11
  I thought she was excellent. We were both wrong, but we
• 1:14:14
  didn't see this film. Alicia Vikander for The Danish
• 1:14:18
  Girl won the award. Other nominees were Jennifer
• 1:14:21
  Jason Leigh in The Hateful Eight.
• 1:14:23
  My God, she was good in that film.
• 1:14:25
  How was that film not nominated? That film should have been
• 1:14:27
  nominated before the. Was that Quentin Tarantino?
• 1:14:30
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  That is a great film and I wished I'd known that was that
• 1:14:35
  year and I would have just put it in instead of Brooklyn and
• 1:14:37
  said, yeah, how long this got nominated?
• 1:14:38
  This definitely got nominated. Let's watch it again.
• 1:14:41
  She was amazing in that role. Rooney Mara in Carol, she's a
• 1:14:45
  great actress too. I don't know the film.
• 1:14:48
  Rachel McAdams for Spotlight was nominated and Kate Winslet for
• 1:14:51
  Steve Jobs. She must have played Steve Jobs
• 1:14:53
  as well. Maybe.
• 1:14:54
  She probably could. She can do anything.
• 1:14:56
  She can do anything. Best writing for an original
• 1:15:00
  screenplay? Spotlight it has to be.
• 1:15:04
  If that is an original screenplay, I believe it is.
• 1:15:07
  Yeah, I did. I said room.
• 1:15:09
  OK, but is that from a book? Yeah, parolee.
• 1:15:16
  OK, I thought that'd be adapted then.
• 1:15:19
  Probably. Is OK, I don't know.
• 1:15:20
  Who knows? We don't really know.
• 1:15:22
  No. So spotlight one for original
• 1:15:24
  screenplay. OK.
• 1:15:26
  Bridge of Spies was nominated. Ex Machina was nominated.
• 1:15:29
  That's interesting. Inside Out was nominated.
• 1:15:31
  Yeah, that was good. And Straight Outta Compton.
• 1:15:34
  I've never seen that. No, me either.
• 1:15:37
  Best Writing. Adapted Screenplay.
• 1:15:40
  Best writing The Revenant That's from a novel.
• 1:15:43
  It is. And the way that they adapted
• 1:15:46
  that for the screen was amazing. Right.
• 1:15:47
  I said the Big Short and the Big short one.
• 1:15:51
  Also nominated was Brooklyn, Carol, The Martian and Room.
• 1:15:57
  Have you got any others there that you want to talk about?
• 1:15:59
  Because I don't, no. That's all I've got.
• 1:16:02
  OK, well in that case we have to go to the big award, which is
• 1:16:07
  the voice actor in an animated movie.
• 1:16:11
  So there are 4 nominations. OK for this by me.
• 1:16:18
  John Sparks as the farmer in Shaun the Sheep movie.
• 1:16:21
  Oh. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Amy Poehler as Joy in Inside Out, Yeah, Phyllis Smith as
• 1:16:29
  Sadness in Inside Out and Lewis Black as Anger in Inside Out.
• 1:16:34
  I'm going Amy Poehler, who are you going?
• 1:16:36
  I think Amy Poehler would win hands down.
• 1:16:38
  Yes. Yeah, because she's just
• 1:16:40
  because. She's Amy Poehler, yeah.
• 1:16:43
  So she wins the Helen and Bill Excellent movie adventures.
• 1:16:49
  Voice actor in an animated movie.
• 1:16:52
  These are getting harder now because we're getting to the
• 1:16:53
  point where we haven't seen them because the kids got too old.
• 1:16:59
  Well, here we go. So what?
• 1:17:00
  What are your two movies or one or two movies that people must
• 1:17:03
  go and see? I had.
• 1:17:05
  I had I had 4 was it 5 stars? So I nominated.
• 1:17:11
  Sorry I'm. Just we did have four, yeah.
• 1:17:14
  So The Big Short and The Martian and Spotlight and Mad Max Fury,
• 1:17:21
  right are the four I did as five stars.
• 1:17:23
  Yeah, if you had to watch 2, I would say everyone should watch
• 1:17:32
  Spotlight for the reasons that we've already been through, the
• 1:17:34
  two storylines and the outing of the Catholic Church and the
• 1:17:39
  journalistic side. And I would say Fury Ride simply
• 1:17:44
  because it is the actioniest action film of all time and
• 1:17:47
  everyone should watch that and just say this is an incredible
• 1:17:51
  film, an incredible feat of film making.
• 1:17:54
  I mean, the story's pretty simple.
• 1:17:57
  We're going from here 2/3 of the film and then we're coming back
• 1:18:00
  for the last third of the film. But and everything that happens
• 1:18:03
  around it, I just think it's done so well.
• 1:18:05
  So yes. Well, mine are The Revenant and
• 1:18:07
  The Martian. Right, the game.
• 1:18:09
  So there's four films people can watch and then on top of that
• 1:18:12
  you should watch the big show. True.
• 1:18:14
  Yeah, That could have come into either of ours, couldn't it?
• 1:18:17
  Yeah. So there we go.
• 1:18:18
  All right, well, once again Helen's failed to find a five
• 1:18:21
  star film, and I've found four of them in that whole lot.
• 1:18:26
  I'll try next time. I'm looking forward to the next
• 1:18:29
  lot that we hopefully will watch quicker.
• 1:18:34
  There's 8 films nominated. Yeah, I've only seen one of
• 1:18:37
  them. Do we know what they are?
• 1:18:39
  We do, but I'm not gonna tell. OK, but I've only seen one of
• 1:18:42
  the films in the next 1, so with this one I'd seen 12345 of them
• 1:18:50
  before. OK, what were we doing in 2016?
• 1:18:53
  We weren't going to. The movies were.
• 1:18:54
  We, well, we weren't. No, no, we had other things on
• 1:18:58
  our plate and it probably got far too expensive to go to the
• 1:19:00
  films and we probably didn't have family bringing back DVDs
• 1:19:04
  from Bali for us. Maybe not.
• 1:19:06
  How dare they not. All right.
• 1:19:08
  Well, once again, Helen, thank you for coming here and being a
• 1:19:11
  part of this wonderful program that we continue to do.
• 1:19:15
  And yes, hopefully you've had as much fun as everybody out there
• 1:19:19
  who only want to hear you anyway.
• 1:19:21
  In fact, if you just did this whole episode without me, it
• 1:19:25
  would probably have five times the number of listeners.
• 1:19:28
  It would be woeful. I wouldn't say anything about
• 1:19:30
  the movies really at all. You you give all the story about
• 1:19:33
  the movies the the content. There you go.
• 1:19:36
  So thank you for that and yes, we will hopefully get you
• 1:19:40
  another episode out sometime soon once we've watched 8 more
• 1:19:43
  movies. And as always, we appreciate the
• 1:19:46
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• 1:19:49
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• 1:19:52
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• 1:19:54
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• 1:19:57
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• 1:20:00
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• 1:20:04
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• 1:20:07
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• 1:20:10
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• 1:20:12
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• 1:20:14
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• 1:20:17
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• 1:20:19
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• 1:20:21
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• 1:20:24
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• 1:20:32
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