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BONUS: Devastating Misses, Big-Time Hits, and the Future of Ohio State Recruiting · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome to the Time and Change will Shirley Show,
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  Speaker 2: where Juck and I I am Tony Gerderman, along with
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  Speaker 2: State President, and Ohio State Future. Focused on one topic
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  Speaker 2: at a time and we just explore the room on
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  Speaker 2: that topic. Today we're talking about everybody's favorite thing, which
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  Speaker 2: is recruiting. And this is recruiting pre dates the Internet era,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll also probably I don't know if it'll post
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  Speaker 2: date the Internet era, but it's been around forever and
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  Speaker 2: even though there are changes, there will always be recruiting.
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  Speaker 2: And so as we do on this show, I like
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  Speaker 2: to set a baseline. So when did you start following
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  Speaker 2: recruiting and what were some of those early ones that
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  Speaker 2: you remember.
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  Speaker 3: Well. I remember just a few from probably I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: from the time I was to fifteen. I remember Mike
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  Speaker 3: Vrabel because there's a lot of people around the area
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  Speaker 3: that were worried he might go to Michigan. He went
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  Speaker 3: up to a Michigan camp and I was a ball
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  Speaker 3: boy at Walsh so that was like a big thing
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  Speaker 3: and Mike Vrabel obviously was before I ever you know,
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  Speaker 3: could find a star ranking or anything like that. But he,
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  Speaker 3: without a doubt, would be a five star, no doubt
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  Speaker 3: about that in today's day and age. So that was
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  Speaker 3: big time, big time fodder around here, as was Derek
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  Speaker 3: Warnkey who ended up going to Ohio State. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: there weren't many I can probably count on from the
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  Speaker 3: time I was ten to fifteen, probably just five or
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  Speaker 3: six that were ones that were really ones that I
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  Speaker 3: that stood out to me. It wasn't until probably the
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  Speaker 3: early two thousands that I really started getting into, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some recruiting big time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Internet era starts two thousand and two
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  Speaker 2: is when Rivals and Scout at that time started to
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  Speaker 2: really That's that's basically all the further you can go back.
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  Speaker 2: There are times though, where I will you know, the
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  Speaker 2: the Internet archive, the wayback machine. I will go and
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  Speaker 2: type in some old type in the ozone in there,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll go back to like nineteen ninety eight, nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety seven when John Parentis would have Bill Corolic do
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  Speaker 2: his recruiting updates. So it's like on this date, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's see what what was happening with Chris Simms and
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State on this date, and you know, nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine or whatever, and you can just it's a blash
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  Speaker 2: from the past when they're talking to all of these players,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, you go to like two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: five or whatever, and it's like, you know, Prescott burd
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  Speaker 2: just liked his visit to Ohio State. I wonder how
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna I wonder how that's gonna turn out. So
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  Speaker 2: it's on my list to talk about today, Tony. That
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  Speaker 2: one burned me bad, Bud, So yeah, I wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because I wanted to talk about some some
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  Speaker 2: big time wins and losses, and yet like all I
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  Speaker 2: wrote down is losses and it's exactly like the Tom
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  Speaker 2: and I just did a Buckeye Weekly episode Listener Question episode,
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  Speaker 2: and the question was basically, what why does it seem
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  Speaker 2: like Ohio State always loses the big time recruits And
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  Speaker 2: like you're just you're that's not true. You've lost perspective.
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  Speaker 2: They win plenty, they get look at Jeremiah Smith, look
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  Speaker 2: at all these guys they've got. And then it's like
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  Speaker 2: when I'm jotting down all of these things and I
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  Speaker 2: remember it's just you know, it's just a litany of losses,
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  Speaker 2: and well that guy got away, you know, Buster Davis,
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  Speaker 2: Kajana Carter, you know Eric Shelton. Like these are twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five, thirty years ago, but yes they have one some.
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  Speaker 2: But I did also ask on Twitter for some some people,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the number one guy in terms of
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  Speaker 2: biggest hurtful losses was Micah Parsons, which was an ESPN
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  Speaker 2: Game Day situation where it's it's just an error on
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of people's parts and they missed out on him.
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  Speaker 2: So that was like one that sticks out. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: give us a good one, give us something that a
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  Speaker 2: win that you have jotted down. That way we can
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  Speaker 2: start to show off on a good note.
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  Speaker 3: Well here, I mean not too long back. But the
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  Speaker 3: Riley Pettijohn win I thought was amazing because there wasn't
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  Speaker 3: much noise with Ohio State and Riley Pettijohn throughout the
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  Speaker 3: entire twenty twenty five cycle. It was like he was
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  Speaker 3: always out there on the periphery that Ohio State was
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  Speaker 3: recruiting him, but they had just signed his buddy who
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  Speaker 3: was at Skyline in Texas. Another five star running back
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  Speaker 3: in Texas and it looked like he was gonna stay home,
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  Speaker 3: and then things start heating up between the Buckeyes and
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  Speaker 3: Pettijohn and all of a sudden, here comes USC entering
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  Speaker 3: into the picture. And it was right at the time
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  Speaker 3: where USC was starting to get big with the money
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  Speaker 3: and his mom said something about the you know something
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  Speaker 3: about the coach out there and that whatever comment that was.
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  Speaker 3: People took to me and like, oh, he's getting a
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  Speaker 3: big bag from USC, And it just never looked like
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  Speaker 3: until he committed, like Ohio State was gonna win that one.
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  Speaker 3: And then bam they win, and it's like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: we need to go watch some film because honestly, I
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  Speaker 3: hadn't even really been checking up on him a ton
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  Speaker 3: because it felt so far fetched that they were gonna
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  Speaker 3: land this kid out of Texas and that one was
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  Speaker 3: just like a huge win to me, like you got
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  Speaker 3: to be kidding me, this is amazing, And pairing him
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  Speaker 3: with TJ. Alfred, he was just like, this is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It was a nice coupe getting those two guys, one
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  Speaker 2: from Texas, one from Florida, and then you get the
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  Speaker 2: Ohio middle linebacker and Eliley as well. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: jeremid Smith is one that everybody remembers in terms.
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  Speaker 3: Of watching it.
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  Speaker 2: Like watching It's one thing to see a commitment live
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  Speaker 2: on TV or whatever, but it's another to see the
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  Speaker 2: head coach get the word lie of that something. The
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  Speaker 2: letter of intent is in and he's good and you
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  Speaker 2: saw ryand you know, fake like he's going to faint.
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  Speaker 2: But I guarantee you his blood pressure was changing, his
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  Speaker 2: knee ligaments were a little bit looser, and he got
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  Speaker 2: that news. And I think that was the same day
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  Speaker 2: they were still waiting on Edric Houston as well, and
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  Speaker 2: that he.
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  Speaker 3: Had a similar reaction. But you can look back, Tony,
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  Speaker 3: it's a great moment. I mean, it's a it's a
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  Speaker 3: Buckeye history moment because we can look back right now.
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  Speaker 3: That guy knew, right he knew what most people didn't
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  Speaker 3: know in that moment. He knew what he would be
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  Speaker 3: when he walked in. He already knew. And that was
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  Speaker 3: a real moment right there. And people made fun of him,
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  Speaker 3: national folks about his overdramatic reaction. No, that was a
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  Speaker 3: real flipping moment and we can look back at point
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  Speaker 3: to it now and we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty years from now, Dan Lanning would have jumped into
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  Speaker 2: seventeen different pools if they would have gotten that signature.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember Baron Browning in the twenty seventeen class.
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  Speaker 2: RBA Meyer was telling him the story on signing day
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  Speaker 2: that Baron called him up and said, I'm committing to Alabama.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and Urban took his phone and he just
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  Speaker 2: threw it up against the wall and smashed it. And
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  Speaker 2: then the phone like rang a couple of minutes later,
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  Speaker 2: and it's Baron Browning's dad calling him, calling Urban saying, hey, congrats, coach,
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  Speaker 2: he got a good one. It's like, what are you
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  Speaker 2: talking about? He's going to Alabama And He's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I think Baron's just pulling a prank on you. And
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  Speaker 2: so then that's how Urban found out, Oh, Baron Browning
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  Speaker 2: is actually signing with us. And then three and a
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  Speaker 2: half years later they finally started to use him correctly
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  Speaker 2: and you got you know, you got seven good games
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  Speaker 2: out of him. But there's always always fun stories like that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a couple that got away, here's a sneaky one.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me if this would have impacted the Buckeyes last year,
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  Speaker 2: Blake Miller going to Clemson. If Ohio State has them
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  Speaker 2: as a senior senior right tackle last year, do you
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  Speaker 2: think they do better? Do you think they can handle
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more of the Indiana and the specific
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  Speaker 2: and also well the Miami pressure. Do you think he
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  Speaker 2: changes things at all? I'm not saying does he change
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  Speaker 2: the game, but does you know, like something like that
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  Speaker 2: word his name was mentioned a couple of times. I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was a sneaky good pick.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. I don't know if they could have handled
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  Speaker 3: the elite movement of purdueing Wisconsin, but maybe Miami and
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  Speaker 3: in Indiana if they had Blake Miller. But no, seriously, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think that definitely would have been been a big
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  Speaker 3: deal because when you look at a guard that is
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  Speaker 3: having such a bad season like Tiger had last year,
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  Speaker 3: when you put a guy like that in between a
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  Speaker 3: really good center and a really good tackle that are
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  Speaker 3: both very experienced, his play goes up exponential. And that's
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  Speaker 3: just fact. So pairing Phil Daniels, who's getting his feet wet,
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  Speaker 3: next to Tegra just made the whole side of that
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  Speaker 3: line much weaker. And I don't think it helped Teger
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  Speaker 3: at all. But yeah, put Blake next to him, definitely,
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  Speaker 3: that's a much better line.
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  Speaker 2: Another one that has always here's here's my most painful.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is my most painful growing up loss
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  Speaker 2: that I saw at higher state suffer. And that's Michael Bush,
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  Speaker 2: running back quarterback from Louisville. Went to Louisville, and if
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  Speaker 2: they would have been able to sign him, he would
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  Speaker 2: have been there as a running back in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and three when they did not have a running back
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, and I think he would
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  Speaker 2: have been just fine, and more than fine. He was
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  Speaker 2: a playmaker. He's very very good at at Louisville. Another
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  Speaker 2: guy that went to Louisville. I can give you a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of went to Louisville, like Eric Shelton. Another running
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  Speaker 2: back from like Lexington in two thousand and one, went
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  Speaker 2: to Florida State and then transferred to Louisvil. If they
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  Speaker 2: have him in two thousand and one, two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and three, I don't think that keeps Murray's
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  Speaker 2: Claret from going there. But that's another one you get
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  Speaker 2: throw in James quick with like twenty two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what I want dong man, I
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  Speaker 3: wantn't him bad? Michael Bush? Now, didn't Petrino try to
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  Speaker 3: like bribe him by saying he was going to make
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  Speaker 3: him a quarterback or give him an opportunity to play
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  Speaker 3: quarterback to get him there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was. He was a dynamic quarterback and
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  Speaker 2: then he played a little bit of quarterback. But they
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  Speaker 2: also had Brian Brohm, so right, do that math.
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  Speaker 3: But he was good to transfer to Ohio State at
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  Speaker 3: one point, wasn't he like he was thinking about it?
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  Speaker 2: You know, there are probably all kinds of rumors at
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  Speaker 2: that point, but man, do you know what, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: plays quarterback instead of Troy Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Troy Smith and the Buster Davis recruitment, that's
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  Speaker 3: that's the that's the Troy Smith scholarship recruimer. Right, Buster
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  Speaker 3: Davis doesn't come to Ohio State, Troy Smith ends up
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  Speaker 3: getting that scholarship. It was the final one in the
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  Speaker 3: class and the rest is history. So Buster Davis did
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  Speaker 3: us a big favor. Boy.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's very good because he was mentioned as you know,
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  Speaker 2: a painful loss, and sometimes the ones you lose it
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  Speaker 2: works out okay. But that's that's one that has stuck
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  Speaker 2: around forever. Everybody wanted him, and they don't get him,
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  Speaker 2: and so what do you get instead? You get a
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  Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner. And you know, it's like, I wonder
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  Speaker 2: what guy they missed out on that allowed them to
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  Speaker 2: get Kenny Geiton at the end of the like the
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine class. And sometimes sometimes things work out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm just looking through this list. Case John
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  Speaker 2: McCarter in nineteen ninety two went to Penn State. There
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  Speaker 2: were rumors that the Arizona Cardinals, maybe the Phoenix Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: at that point, were looking at John Cooper, and I
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  Speaker 2: think those rumors were probably put out by Joe Pertno,
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  Speaker 2: because John McCarter was a Westerville football player and he
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  Speaker 2: ends up going to Penn State, and that would have
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  Speaker 2: been a pair him with it, you know, pair him
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  Speaker 2: for he runs the show for a couple of years
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  Speaker 2: with Raymond Harris and then they hand the keys over
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  Speaker 2: to Eddie George. That would have been fun to watch
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  Speaker 2: because he's still one of the best college football running
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  Speaker 2: backs I ever saw John Carter. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you remember him at all watching him.
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  Speaker 3: I remember it. I remember it at Penn State. I
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  Speaker 3: don't remember the recruitment or him in high school as
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  Speaker 3: probably ten or eleven.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm just like, do you think Bjeon Robinson the
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty class commits to Ohio State, then you know
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  Speaker 2: you've got you got his what Grandma's like, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: that you stay closer to home. And so then he
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  Speaker 2: flips to Texas. And I've had some people say, well,
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  Speaker 2: if they get Bjon Robinson, then they don't get Travion
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  Speaker 2: Henderson and they needed Travon Henderson in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: And I still think you can still land Travon Henderson
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  Speaker 2: if you've got Bjeon Robinson, because Henderson came in with
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  Speaker 2: Evan Pryor, Like, sharing Carrie's was never going to be
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  Speaker 2: an issue with him. Absolutely he was. He was all
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  Speaker 2: for Quinchawn Judkins coming in. I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, the running backs are banged up. If
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  Speaker 2: they have Bjon Robinson junior Bijon Robinson in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: that's is.
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  Speaker 3: There a better offense, big big difference. Yeah, absolutely, He's
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is almost this thing where we've gone
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  Speaker 3: about this, and I feel like the NFL mindset has
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  Speaker 3: kind of creeped in uh, but it's but it's coming back.
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  Speaker 3: Like the thought that all backs were interchangeable just kind
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  Speaker 3: of started to creep into college football and even into
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  Speaker 3: the fan mindset. I think we forgot, like, no, some
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  Speaker 3: of these dudes are just different and they totally change
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  Speaker 3: your flipping offense. And now that we're all back on
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  Speaker 3: board like acknowledging this, then we get a recruitment like
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  Speaker 3: a DGG and everybody's all limped up. But yeah, man,
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  Speaker 3: these guys can change your offense. And Bejon certainly was
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  Speaker 3: a guy who could have done that. In a year
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  Speaker 3: where you got a walk on wide receiver carrying the football,
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  Speaker 3: you're so dinged.
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  Speaker 2: Up play yeah, and you're dealing with it. You gotta
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  Speaker 2: walk on former walk on wide receiver. You've got a
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  Speaker 2: transfer linebacker and what twenty twenty three carrying the ball
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  Speaker 2: and chip train him. Dallan Hayden is carrying the ball
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  Speaker 2: as a true freshman at that time, and can't really
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  Speaker 2: get on the field after that because once they stopped
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  Speaker 2: being so banged up. I guess it wasn't as much
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  Speaker 2: of an issue, but man, it would have been fun
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  Speaker 2: to watch. And there's a long list of running backs
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  Speaker 2: that were almost buck eyes that it would have been
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  Speaker 2: fun to watch. I think Ohio State has been pretty
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  Speaker 2: fortunate over the years to have the running backs that
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  Speaker 2: they do, but it's fun to imagine some of the
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  Speaker 2: guys that they could have had that they didn't. One
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  Speaker 2: of my favorites all time that I guess didn't have
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  Speaker 2: the grades, but Javon Ringer from Dayton I think went
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  Speaker 2: to Michigan State and Mark D'Antonio Randham like three hundred
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  Speaker 2: ninety times in this season and shredded hisase. But that
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  Speaker 2: dude was fun to watch. There's there's been a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of others like Tyrrel Sutton, who was in the same
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  Speaker 2: class as Beanie Wells went to Northwestern and it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: he was so good.
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  Speaker 3: He was just fun to watch. Made it to the
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  Speaker 3: NFL as as such a Sou's a small guy. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: his dad was enormous. He was an Akron cop, like
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  Speaker 3: a legendary Ackron cop bodybuilder. He was just like a house.
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  Speaker 3: But the Sutton boys were beasts up here in Akron
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  Speaker 3: Man and Tyro was the beastiest of him. The big
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  Speaker 3: losses from Warren killed me early on, like he brought
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  Speaker 3: up Prescott Burgess and Sean Crable in that two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and three class, and then Mario Manningham a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years later was he with It was the three of them.
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  Speaker 3: One of them was a couple of years later. I
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  Speaker 3: think Manningham was a couple of years later out of
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  Speaker 3: Warren Harding. And now his son, Mario Manningham Junior is
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  Speaker 3: at Akron Hobin and he's got a Michigan offer after
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  Speaker 3: just finishing his freshman year. He hasn't done anything yet.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see what he turns into. But boy, when they
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  Speaker 3: were when they get those big wins in bunches man
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  Speaker 3: and it's demoralizing to me. I hate it so much.
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  Speaker 3: But those guys that they stung a lot for me.
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  Speaker 3: Those wins right there really stung. Recent ones that I
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  Speaker 3: think stung everybody. Obviously, the David Sanders loss was just
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  Speaker 3: a huge, massively magnified outsize, much more than it should
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  Speaker 3: have been in my opinion. Loss. The Justin Hill loss
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  Speaker 3: to Alabama was a pretty big one. The NAIM offered
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: signing day flip after being in the class with Devin
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Sanchez the whole time was a big nasty loss.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: The biggest win I think I think the biggest win
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I've ever loved of my life was the Terrell Prior win.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: The way that thing went down, the way it drug out,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the cancelation like that one right there was just I
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: felt like we we won a national championship that day.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: You'll still hear the horror stories and the angry stories
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: from the Ohio state media that went to cover that.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And then you drive all the way out to Jeanette
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania and then he's like, I'm not committing today, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: you're like, I mean this little so that I guess
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: that was the first instance. You know, Trell was right,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: he can't you know, he runs this stuff, and uh
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: he ran that one and then he ran everybody back home.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: That one was I don't know if there's ever been
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: another one like that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: First.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: It went well past signing day, so did J. T.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Twey Molowaw, which is another another big one. But the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: fates of imagine Michigan with Rich Rodriguez getting Treell Prior,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I think things would have been much different. That he
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was the perfect quarterback for that system, perfect perfect. It
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: would have been something to watch. He's like a six
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to six Pat White. They just didn't have a Steve
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Slegte you know, but that one was that one was
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a fun one. The my remembrance, my recollection of the
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Prescott Burgess thing because at the time he was rated
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: as a five star safety, but he is already like
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: six three two twenty Ohio State told him you're going
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: to be a linebacker. Lloyd Carr said, we're gonna let
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you play safety, and then as soon as he arrived,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: they put him at linebacker and said, welcome to ann Arbor.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And that's you know, there's some stories like that one.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Other people mentioned, uh Sari Floyd defensive tackle that committed
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and signed with Florida after you know, urban Meyer said
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: he had like a spiritual dream about him, like that
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: was the report back then. There's there's so many stories.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I'm one day there'll be uh, you know, more told
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: about the Legend Bay situation. But don't sleep on that one.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I think I know there are some very excited people
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: around the program having him in this building.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Tony. How about waiting on Marquise Lightfoot out of Chicago,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: waiting on his decision all Buck Eye Leen and then
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: you get the surprise justin Scott defensive tackle five star
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: commitment right to Ohio State. Waiting at now you're thinking
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get him both, and then you end up
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: losing lightfoot. He commits to Miami and then Scott flips
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: to Miami. That was like an all timer, Like, oh
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: my god, this class was looking amazing in my head
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and now we're scratching and clawing on signing day for
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: one guy in Edric Houston, Like it turned into nothing.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: That feels like that. Yeah, that was the beginning of
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: the end for Larry Johnson. Except these are just fine.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Here's one. Let's see if you remember it when the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Buckeyes lost Meg No, no, okay, this is during the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Kyle Dotson commitment. So this has been I don't know
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the class of two thousand and twelve maybe, but at
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: his school they had all of their kids, all of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the athletes committing and you know, field hockey and all
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: of this, and there's a girl named Meg who you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: she's choosing between like Ohio State and Stanford, and she
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: she chose, uh, she chose Stanford. But it was just
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: like the longest thing you're there to watch. You were
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: on YouTube or whatever it was at that point watching
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: for Kyle Dotson and you got to watch all of
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: these kids, and then Meg essentially becomes like an internet
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: legend because she's taking her time and people are like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: get her off the stage. We're just here to see
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Kyle Tony.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I've got with it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: So hopefully it's still out there. But those are some
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: some you have anything else written down that you wanted
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to touch on, I will say this one of my
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: earliest memories. One of that that I remember that I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: went and watched Orlando Pace, who we got to see
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: play basketball at Sandusky. He his team was playing in
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the playoffs and they were in Bowling Green, so that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: was like a thirty minute drive for us. So we
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: went and watched him drop step on like a five
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: star freshman and dunket and they were like, that's this
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: is gonna be fun to watch when he's when he's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: playing left tackle for the bar guys. But that was
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that was a big when Andy Katzimoyer, you know, that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: was he was a known recruit at that time. So
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: just throwing some names out there from the nineties for US.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: One more one more big painful period for me Tone
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: losing back to back number one player in Ohio linebacker
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Jordan Hicks to Texas trade to priest Alabama. That that's
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: made me just absolutely furious, man, furious. But you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: while Hicks was was good and had a long NFL career, uh,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the Priest he was all right, but uh nah, man,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: that that that was a stinger right there. Man, two
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: five stars in state now it's uh boy, it doesn't
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: even seem to FaZe me anymore because the players are
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: just so much more different. You know, I was looking
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: through Tony Alabama, Georgia, in Ohio State. Ohio State with
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: five out of the top twenty prospects in Ohio, Georgia
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: with two of the top twenty in Georgia, Alabama with
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: one or two of the top twenty in Alabama all
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: blue Chippers. I mean, it's just that that's what it
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: is now. In Ohio State is still doing better than
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: their competitors within state talent. But it's like, if these
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: guys want to put themselves and say, all right, no
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: there's I'm not I'm not even footing with everybody, then
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: that's how the local school's going to treat them. You know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: if you want to give a hot state the benefit
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: of the doubt and say Okay, Yeah, there is going
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: to be a little hometown discount, like they're going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: prioritize you. But if you want to treat them like
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: they're anybody else, well you're going on the board like
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: anybody else. And that's the way it's going to be.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: And I agree with that. Yeah, I mean, it's a
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: different world. And if we're done talking about the past,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: we can go ahead and transition into the president because
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: that's basically what we're talking about here. And yeah, the
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: idea that it is become more more of a business,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: and so if the recruits are going to treat it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: As such, then you have the new schools have to do.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: It's just like talking with Brady Edmunds, Ohio States currently
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: committed quarterback for the time being, saying that this is
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: a business. He understands the school has to operate as
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: a business. He does as well. And now it doesn't
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: matter what states you're in. We've seen Ohio State struggle
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: in state with the secondary over the last few years.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And the idea of the hometown the homeschool discount. Alabama
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: used to do it. Georgie is still still able to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: do it. But you're seeing, like you said, if kids
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: were more interested in that hometown discount, there'd be more
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Georgia players committed to Georgia. And so it'll be interesting
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to see how you go about not fixing it, but adjusting.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And you still want to like Ohio State's always going
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to build from within. You want a nice baseline of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Ohio and they've done that on the offensive line, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you'll do that with the skill players that you know
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: want to play for you. But man, it's until they
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: get the aged situation settled. Then you know, it's hard
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to get the recruiting situation settled. Almost, Yeah, no doubt.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: It's just I mean, it's a different mentality and we've
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: seen it coming for a couple of years. I mean,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: number one, you got these guys, they've all grown up
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: watching you know, everybody puts out their top ten and
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: this is what they do. So they're looking at this
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: and they're all right, that's what we do. And there's
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: just not that same kind of natural like yet it's
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Ohio State. And then I work out from there for
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: in state guys, which is what the mindset always was.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: If I can get the big time offers, if I'm
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: getting Ohio State, it's it's that's where I'm working out from.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: If somebody pulls me out, that's one thing. Now it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: like no, no, the slate is totally even. Everything's totally open.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: We're starting off with with deals. We've got priorities, We've
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: got to make money. I get it. It's just a
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: different feel. And somebody was asking me like it doesn't
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: know how state need to lock the state down, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm sitting here looking for instance,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: at cornerback, like we talk about, you know, looking at
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: the last couple of classes at cornerback. You got the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: number one cornerback in twenty twenty five, and following it
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: up with the number one quarterback in the corner in
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six with Devin Sanchez and Jay Timmins your
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: kicker in twenty twenty six, not kicker, kicker, your second guy,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Jordan Thomas. I think when you add Jay Timmins and
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Jordan Thomas together, it's significantly more desirable than the duo
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: of Albert Hill and Vic Singleton, who were your in
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: state guys that defected to USC and Texas A and M.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: And if the fact that those guys didn't want to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: give you a hometown discount, Tim Walton expanded the board
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and got the guys that he wanted and we ended
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: up with better football players. So you know, there's also
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: like this can work out in our favor as well.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you're Ohio State, so you're gonna be
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: able to do more than most. And you also have
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: because you're Ohio State. You've got kids from all over
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the country that have grown up wanting to play for you,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: or when I say grown up, the last three years
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: they you know, they right, since they've been focused or
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: thinking about it, they want to play for Ohio State.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And it's been interesting to watch.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: In terms of the twenty twenty seven class, I think
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Brady Edmund said he's going to give it a couple
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: of weeks. He you know, he came off of his
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Ohio State visit. He'll do his thinking about you at
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: UCLA and Ohio State, and at this point, if Ohio
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: State doesn't land him, then I think he because if
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: they don't land him, he's gonna flip Ucla and he'll
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: still be committed somewhere. I think there's what like one
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: uncommitted quarterback in a twenty four to seven composite in
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the top, like forty quarterbacks, and so it's like you're
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: gonna have to flip somebody, which they're trying. They would
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: try try to do it. Maybe just go in all
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: in on Trey Taylor. But that guy seems like he
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: has no interest in leaving Nebraska.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: None whatsoever. You've seen the dad kinda throw out these feelers,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: but it almost feels to me like it's more directed
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: at Nebraska than Ohio State. And when we look at
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: like the situation of potentially getting another and no disrespect
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: to Luke Fahey, I like him, you like him. The
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: kid can throw the ball, but he does not look
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: like a future Ohio State starter to me. If you
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: end up back to back classes with the guy of
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: that caliber and you passed on Brady Edmonds because you
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: just you know, the way you conducted yourself, it's gonna
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: look like a pretty big whiff to me.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Ton Yeah, And that's I think another reason why what's
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the harm in signing Brady Edmunds. But the thing is,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: you can't approach it as what's the harm. You've got
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to approach it like we want this guy. He can
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: be at Awaio State, like you can't be like, Okay,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, you know you sure, we'll take you,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: We'll send the paperwork. I guess that's not the response
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that he's looking for, and certainly not the attitude he's
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: getting from UCLA. And I'm not saying that's the attitude
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: he's getting from Ohio State. I'm saying that's the attitude
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you can't give him if you are looking to sign
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a quarterback, because he threw it just fine, and if
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: he doesn't ever start at Ohio State, he won't be
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the only one. Joe Burrow never started at Ohio State.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: There are there are plenty of quarterbacks who have never
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: started at Ohio State and can start elsewhere or begin
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: one place end up another. It's like, you know, the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: hit rate.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I'll also say this, Yeah, I don't. Let's say, for instance,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: you do end up with a Luke Fahee and another
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: guy of that caliber, you know, coming in two straight years,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: then it looks like you're most likely after you know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: let's say Tavy and Saint Clair works out after that,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: you're possibly looking at bringing in a transfer starter. And like,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: this doesn't doesn't bother me at all anymore at use
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: to like you know I wanted to keep it in house,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: you know, develop do the classic route. But when you
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: win a national championship with Will Howard and you look
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: at guys like Carson Beck beating your team, It's like, Okay,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: there really is something to this. And I'm watching other
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: schools work that process and things work out just fine
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: for them. So at that particular position, I don't really
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: mind if you don't nail it at the position in recruiting,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I really don't. Now if you get somebody special like
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: a Trey Taylor like, that's awesome, or you get a
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: TV in Saint Clair, that's awesome. But if you don't,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not too awfully concerned about it either. So I
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: really can't get too too irritated about it in any route.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But I will say that coming into that official visit
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: with Brady Edmonds, I thought that things would be smoothed
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: over and he'd come out of that reaffirming his committ
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: shutting everything down immediately. I honestly like, I was planned
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: on doing a video on it Sunday, and I talked
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: to him and he's like, yeah, we'll see what happens
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: here in the next couple of weeks I'm like, oh shit,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't. I wasn't expecting that at all. And then
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: he tweeted something today. It was him on a treadmill
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: and there's a song playing. In the song title, the
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: lyrics are like I'm staying in LA. I can't leave
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: out of LA. And I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: He's like, why are people making a big deal out
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: of this? Like, are you serious? I wouldn't be surprised
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: if he's having a little fun, and he deserves it,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: because he was a perfect recruit in Ohio State was
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: not so perfect to him publicly, So all right, now
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: he's gonna act like a regular recruit. I get it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: But I also wouldn't be surprised if he ends up
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: at UCLA in two weeks.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't either. And you know, because it is interesting
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: when I asked him last week, you know, so if
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you you had some questions that he wanted answered. So
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, if you get the questions that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you that you get the answers that you're looking for,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: do you expect this process to move quickly? He said, yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Now he's quickly and you're quickly may be different. You know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: it's what's two weeks. It's still early July. What's the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: big deal? That sort of thing. But yeah, like we've
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: recorded a video and it's like, you know, well, I guess,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll record another one because by the time
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: this happens, who knows what we've said in a previous
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: video that is now completely dated, you know, references that
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: don't make sense, or somebody has committed since then that
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: we don't we don't acknowledge. But it is still just
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: June or July. Speaking of July, July twenty second, David
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Gabriel George is expected to announce his commitment at that time.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Here's my opinion on this. Everybody wants him. I don't
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: think he's a need like I don't think he's a one.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think if you lose him then it's a disaster.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think that at all, because I think they
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: like what they've got. I know, they like Elijah Newman
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Hall in twenty twenty eight, they'll be okay now. They
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: still want him, very very badly. I just don't think
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: this would be a complete disaster if they don't get him,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: other than the fact that they've expended so many resources
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in trying to get him and told other players no
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: because they are they've got they're they're all in on
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: getting him. If they don't get him, I don't think
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it's the end of the world. If they do get him.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a guarantee national championship. I'm just
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: saying if they don't, they'll be okay. They'll still have
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: players that can run the ball.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I think that this is almost one upside play. Yeah,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: it's not if it's not if this doesn't happen. There
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: are ramifications though, I do think there are some ramifications.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Number One, if you take on Ohio State and you
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: go hard, you will beat them every time. Like it
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: almost looks like that to a certain extent. If we're
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: going to go head to head with somebody, make it
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Ohio State, because when it's time to push all the
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: chips in, we will win. And if you're one of
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: those schools, you can go get them or go after them.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to the running back position, it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: it's also another position where like, I'm never really gonna
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: be worried about it because in addition to the guys
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: that are currently in the system, you know you can
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: go out and get an Amad Hardy or a Kiwan Lacey.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: These guys were ranked tenth and seventeenth in the transfer
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: portal and they're the best backs in football. Or you
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: can get a guy pay up a little more for
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Justice Haynes or Hollywood smothers who you know is going
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: to come in and be good. Like, if you need
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: to do that, you can go do that. But it
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: does look ridiculous, and I'm not gonna just not address
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the fact that you look ridiculous if you go in
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: on two entire classes for one guy and then pretend like, oh,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: we didn't know in the end it was gonna cost
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: this much. Like that looks ridiculous, It looks very foolish.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: But no, I don't think there's some big detriment to
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: losing it at all. It all and it's all an
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: upside play. It's all like, I think this guy can
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: take our team from potentially contender to maybe that next level,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and that's why it's worth it, not because we're trying
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: to save our butt from going backwards. So I'm with
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: you on that one hundred percent.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: If there are some appearance issues in terms of it
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: would look bad, is it okay to spend more so
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that you can save yourself that appearance and maybe let
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: others know that because you're right, it does feel like
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you if it's one on one, anybody can just throw anybody,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: most most programs, if they're just focused on this, one
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: person can can outbid Ohio State. So is there some
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: value in saying no, you can't. And maybe it's a
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: little bit more or quite a bit more defensive then
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: you wanted it to be.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, maybe some of this is pride talking,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: but I think so. I mean, I don't feel like
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: it's like a bully. You can't let him. You can't
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: just let yourself get picked on, right, Like, there is
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: something to that. And when it comes to business, right
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: and we are now talking business here, there is definitely
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: something to that.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's just like I'm not I'm not going
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: to allow this. I don't care what it takes. It's
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: not like these are public numbers because the families aren't
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: going to necessarily say you'll have some speculation. But at
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: some point it does enough become enough and how worth
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it is it for you to have that?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: And you know.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You've got there? There's you know, always concerns about locker
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: room issues. The locker room already knows about David Gabriel George.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: They know that he's coming, you know, assuming he's coming.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: They know all about him, and they know that they
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: he's going to challenge them for Carrie. So like this
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: is all this is. Again, it's not just a business
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: for some people some players. It's a business for all
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of the players. And the money is there. If you
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: make the right you know, progression and you make the plays,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: it's going to be there for you. And all you
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: have to do is just be better than the other guys.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And that's work, that's talent, that's all that sort of thing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: And if some freshman comes in and makes you feel bad,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: there's the portal. I guess. You know, it's a business.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: You can go find greener past years. And I'm not
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: saying they're going to push anybody out, but that's just
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: how it is nowadays that you should just be quarterback.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Now it's kind of like that at every position.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Right And I mean, we've talked about how they've treated him,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: like in the way they've acted like a Jeremiah level prospect,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: and they clearly made exceptions to the way they operated
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: financially with Jeremiah, and their their backing of that was
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: when he walks into the building, they'll all understand and
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: if they had an issue before, they will no longer
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: have an issue because he'll outwork them, he'll outlift them,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and like everything we've heard about David Gabriel George is
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: from that angle. He's a clone of Jeremiah. I mean
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: his numbers bear that out alone, his gym numbers, Like, Yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: this dude's working his butt off, like you can tell
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: by his six hundred pounds squat and four hundred pound
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: bench press at seventeen years old. He's gonna come in
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: and be just like Jeremiah. From that perspective, He's going
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to be an ironbuck eye, gonna do all that stuff,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: and everybody's gonna understand in the backfield and in every
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: position group. Okay, we got another one, right, Yeah, we're
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: not going to question what he's making or worry about what,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: you know, what his pockets are, like, that's not what
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: it's going to be for him. And they know that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And we've heard, you know, because there's a lot of
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: people that still are of the ILK that they don't
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: want to hear you know, a freshman making a whole
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: lot of money, and it's just like they always put
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: the caveat here. Except for Jeremiah Well, the way Ohio
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: States treated him is like another Jeremiah, So for him,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I think that argument is kind of out the window.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they may have done something similar with Chris
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: with Chris Henry as well. Where you are now in
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a battle and so you've got to go win it
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: or you better be happy with the class that you've got.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And and if they can, they can find somebody. If
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: they don't get DGG, but if they do get them,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be some celebrating and some celebrating and some
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: appreciation for Like Locke is going to be like, thank
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: you people for allowing me to go and thank you
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: for finishing this, like and getting it across the goal line.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I the recruiting got them inside the five. But it's
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: always going to be that extra push from you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: your You're like the the the opposing defensive line is
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Tennessee's n I L, and you've got the High State
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: offensive line is the n I L. And it's just
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: like a we'll see and while they will tell you
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that that's not really the focus of DGG or his family.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: It's still something that you have to consider. And if
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: you don't, then I guess maybe you're not paying attention.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: But they are and he's gonna be just find wherever
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: he ends up. The quick question for you, because I
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: know Mon shown sales five star wide receiver, everybody loves him.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I don't see it happening for Ohio State. I don't
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: think they're gonna be able to to make that happen.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And I have no inside information. I'm just saying I
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: don't expect another five star wide receiver in this class.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: They're not even on the They're not even on the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: playing board for him. No, it's not even in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: It's not even a thought, not even a thought in
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: my mind that that's happening now. And I feel the
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: same way about Benny Easter, to be quite honest, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: know there's a lot of people who have tried to
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: put some movement with the Benny Easter thing. I don't
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: really never saw it happening, and I see it, you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: looking less and less likely though the fact that he
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: went to Old Miss. A lot of the people who
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: were trying to sell Benny Easter to Ohio State are
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: now saying, well, look, he just went and visited Old Miss,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: so it shows that he's not happy with Texas Tech still.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And to me, it looks exactly the same as it
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: looked before that they're not maybe not intentionally, but they're
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: going to get a bigger offer out of Texas Tech
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: and they're going to smile and say guns up. And
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: that's the way this is going to end.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you know, you see Ohio State competing,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: by the way, just what.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's that good. I don't Benny Easter,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think is that good anyway. So I'm not
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: too concerned about that one.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: When it's Ohio State competing against a program like ole
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Miss or programs like that, people get upset that Ohio
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: State could be outbid by them. And I try to
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: remind people that they don't have the roster overall roster
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: costs that Ohio State does. They can they can pay
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit more for this particular guy because forty
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: percent of their guys are making state minimum. You know
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that sort of thing where it's just like they don't
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: have the overall talent level. And when you have the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: overall talent level. That means you have to have the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: overall you know, you're paying for them as well. And
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: you've got more dips at a place like like Ole
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Miss than in other schools than you do at Ohio State,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: where you've got so many top tier guys and backups
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: who other schools are trying to lure. I don't know
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: how many backups at Texas Tech or Old Miss are
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: being offered starter money at other schools.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Definitely, the retention costs at Ohio State a ton higher.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: You know, you can look at these, you know, a
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: recruitment here, a recruitment there, and try to get yourself
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: all bent out of shape, and I have done it
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of times. But when we look in totality,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: there's a couple of rosters that stand above the rest
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: in college football, and the Buckeys are there. So it's working.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: It's working. We're now several years into it and it's working.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: So there's no one or two individual things that are
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: going to get me all worked up, particularly a guy
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: who's if you commit to Texas Tech out of high school, right,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: if that's your first pick, then your priorities are a
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: little different than guys that generally commit to Ohio State,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: so like right off the rip there, it doesn't feel
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: like it jives to me.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I often wonder if Micah Hudson had gone somewhere other
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: than Texas Tech, if things would have been better for him,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: or if it's just not going to it never would
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: have worked out for him, because he was a guy
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: that I really liked as a recruit. Reminded me of
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson. And then you go to Texas Tech and
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: you essentially disappear. But so you've said this is working
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: out for Ohio State, Now will it work out in
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the future, And that's where we want to move now
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: with the recruiting talk, because it's interesting Ohio State got
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: a commitment from a twenty twenty nine receiver, not just
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a twenty twenty nine receiver, maybe the twenty twenty nine
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: receiver in Austin Miller, And I was thinking, if you're
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: willing to accept a commitment from a twenty twenty nine kid,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and other twenty twenty nine kids want to start committing
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and you tell them, well, we're not ready for you, like,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: there can be some some backlash too that if you've
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: got other kids that want to be a part of
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the class, and Ohio States says, well, we're not quite ready,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and through no fault of Ohio States own other than
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the fact that they've they've opened a door. But now
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: they're like, hold on, just be careful. So I think
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: one that tells you how much they like Austin Miller. Two,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: they've got a good way of saying you'll get yours
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: will be you know, like, if you want to commit
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: right now, that's that's fine, but you know, we need
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: some time. We need to see we need to see
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: your sophomore tape, like we need more patience. I guess
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: in the game for some I guess is probably what
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: a stated saying. It is wild when we look back
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: to back years. They took a kid just off his
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: freshman year with Elijah Newman Hall and now Austin Miller.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: But boy, you got to be something special. I'm telling
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that kid, come here, son, I want to show you
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Austin Miller's tape right here.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: That's basically what I think i'd say. But really, this
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: is the dilemma that Ohio State's been talking about for
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: a while now with quarterback. When you know you need
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: to have the pull, the pull, the trigger after their
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: sophomore year of film and kind of how they're in
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: this Brady situation where they've kind of changed what they're
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: looking for out of a quarterback and you know, you
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: you signed him up as the guy two years before
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: he was ever going to be on campus, and they
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: want to push that to the normal time frame. And
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I actually think as I'm looking forward that we're starting
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: to see a lot of schools try to hold off longer.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: When I look at this next class, uh, the amount
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks that are committed at this point far fewer than
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: the previous year. It's almost like maybe they're colluding to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: try and say, let's all push this back a little
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: bit because they all want more time. You know, this
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: all started because they were trying to beat each other
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: earlier and earlier to get the guy. Now they're trying
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: to have a truce and kind of push it back.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe just a theory, but it's definitely noticeable that there
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: are far fewer committed so early.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I had a high school player asked me
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: recently as a player ever committed to Ohio State before
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: his freshman year, and I don't remember any I know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Danny Clark. I think it was after his freshman year,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and again that did not go well. A lot of
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: these early early commitments, it's just sometimes it's too early.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: You don't know what a player is going to do.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: You don't know how they're going to grow. Now, if
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: they're six five, you know like that, you know that
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the size is going to be there. But I remember
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Tate Martel committed to Washington as an eighth grader, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know that he grew another inch from that commitment.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: And and of course he switched. He flipped to Texas
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: A and m then eventually signed with Ohio State. But
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: coaches don't want to be getting into the habit of
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: offering or just accepting commitments. Still offer you know, they'll
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: offer what they need to offer, but accepting commitments, it's
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: you've got to be really sure, especially now when you're
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: looking at a place where some of these guys are
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: going to want something for committing or you know, yeah,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: like there's that I wonder if one of the reasons
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks aren't committing as quickly as possible is because
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: they know they can get money for visits. Like there's
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: this whole now, the different kind of revenue stream going
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: on the secondary market.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, yeah, for sure, you can play in
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of different ways. Man. Yeah, it's committing early.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying when we talking about Austin Miller,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: like committing early, Like this is not the way to
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: make the most money, that's for sure, which is what
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I'm impressed by him, and I'm impressed by his family.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if everybody saw it today, but
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: he put out a statement on Twitter thanking buck Eye
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Nation for the welcome and I encourage you all to
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: go look it up and listen to this fifteen year
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: old speak because he sounds as mature as he looks
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: on the football field, which is another promising sign that
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: this ends up sticking. And including we don't know if
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: he doesn't reclassify, and he isn't in next year's class.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I usually am anti reclassing, but this dude, Yeah whatever now, Yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: of course Tony thought his dad, his dad might selfishly
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: want him to stay on the high school team.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing. That's that's a good point.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: He's gonna I was thinking, like start sabotaging some transcripts
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: or something like that so that he can't like, no,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you didn't graduate earlier. You know, you missed a you
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: missed an English class, something like that, to where it's
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: it's not bad for the high school, but it's just
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: not good enough for college. You know, a lot of
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: parents would do that to keep their kids around a
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: little bit longer. The five for five thing that has
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: been approved, I'm interested to see what that does down
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: the road. In terms of recruiting, we were talking a
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: little bit before the show, and this, this to me,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: is only good for a few positions, the offensive line,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: defensive line, tight end, and then maybe in the transfer portal,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: getting an extra year of somebody where like somebody's transferring
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: as a senior or whatever, you'll get them and then
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: you'll get them for another year after that. Like for
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, this is almost more beneficial in terms of
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the portal because players can develop longer somewhere else and
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: then when they're ready to hit, then they can play
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: their fifth year at Ohio State or fourth or fifth
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: year at Ohio State. But you know, for the skill positions,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's a tough ask to have a fifth year
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: wide receiver that if you've already gotten something out of
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: them in the third and fourth year, and you know
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: what they are, You've got to decide if you want
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: to keep them around for a fifth year. And a
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: lot of schools are gonna be like, you can probably
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: go on and we'll go with the next wave coming in.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like you said, like the positions where
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: we see a ton of guys who are already end
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: up fifth year guys, right, the positions that we assume
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: red shirts for already those guys, it's going to be
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: pretty much the same thing. The offensive and defensive lineman.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: We'll see plenty of you know them taking advantage of
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: the five for five. But there's also the situation with
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: the skill players where look, coaches jobs are on the line,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: they are going to gravitate towards what is safe and
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: what they can trust in most cases, and if you
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: look at a guy who's been a wide receiver for you,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: and he's started a year and a half for you,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: and he's coming back for his fifth year, and he's
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: got a pretty high floor, but he's got a pretty
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: low ceiling, but you're comfortable and you can trust him.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: And then you've got a guy who's talented below him,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: and that guy ends up in a lot of cases
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: in this situation, I think maybe sitting on the bench
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: an extra year or leaving because the coach wanted to
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: go with the safe option or the loyal option to
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: continue to play that guy. And that's a situation you
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: don't want to be in at all. And you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I mean you could look on this roster and maybe
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: point to a few instances of that, but there are
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: places where it would help maybe a whole lot. Like
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: you know, you look at guys like Leroy Roker, a
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: guy like that potentially getting a fifth year, or maybe
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: even a Terry Moore who it's maybe if it doesn't
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: catch on as well as he expected this year and
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: he gets now an extra year with her a little gone.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: So certainly some advantageous spots, and definitely it's going to
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: create some situations where you might want to tell a
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: guy like a Brandon innis sorry, man, like it's been
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: real but you know, year number five, we're looking for
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: a little more juice in this position. If you're okay
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: taking a back seat roll or being part of the
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: depth and being a leader, that'd be great. But you know,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: ninety percent of the snap load at slot receiver is
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: going to be going to Phil Bell and brock Boyd
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: this year. Like you know what I mean.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: When you've got the high floor and the low ceiling,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: it creates tight windows and the tight windows to throw
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: into and literally figuratively, and so you, yeah, deal with that.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I was talking with an NFL scout and he was
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: texting me and he's like, I don't like this at
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: all because for them, they're they're going to be scouting
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: players that they don't know if they're going to be
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: in a draft. They're gonna be scouting seniors that. Yeah,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: so you're a fourth round pick, you know, like like
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: a kJ Hill or something like that, where I think
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: he was a seventh round thing. But if you're in
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: that four to seven range and you're a very good
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: college player, it might be worth it to bring that
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: guy back and pay him the same or more than
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: what he'd be getting as a fifth or sixth round pick.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: And so now you've got all these scouts. You're going
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: to be scouting these players, wasting their time. And these
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: guys are already grumpy, they're every single day in their lives,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: and so now they're scouting players that won't even be
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: part of it. And they won't even look at freshman
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: or sophomores right now because they're going to be so
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: overloaded with junior seniors and fifth year seniors that I
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: think there will be players where it's going to be
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: worth it to Ohio State or others to be like
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: we'll bring him back. And that's something you've got to
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: also keep in mind with recruiting, like if if you
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: miss out on a receiver, then that incentivizes you to
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: maybe like we better bring you know, do we want
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to bring the guy that we know back? Do we
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: want to go into the portal? So this is all
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: tied together. It's not one or the other, it's not
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: this this, it's all part of the same circulatory system.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it honestly makes it so much more fun
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: to to talk about in the breaking up college football
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: roster construction down now. I think it's probably my favorite
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: part of the offseason is how they're putting together these teams.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I wish we had the financial figures to kind of
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: have the final piece to the puzzle so we knew
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: what we were working with and could really get into
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: it even more. But it's made it so much more interesting.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: It's also made it if you're good, if you're savvy,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: you can really get an upper hand. And I think
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Ohio State has done better than most almost everyone on
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: their level when it comes to handling it and and
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: all these different aspects. They're just killing it to the
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: roster's fantastic. There's been a few maybe errors or things
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: that you know, the fan base in general is irritated
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: by here or there, and you'll always have those who
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: will complain about everything and magnify the loss is more
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: than they are. But the rosters loaded this year, as
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: me loaded next year again, I'm feeling really nice.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I do wonder if with the five for five, not
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: all coaches want this. I wonder how head coaches feel
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: about it, because it is going to create some very
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable situations. But you know that's what all the money's for.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Where you do want this recruit to play. You really
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: don't want to tell the senior he's got to go.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: But I mean they have those conversations with seniors that
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: don't play where it's time for you to go. So
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: these aren't unfamiliar conversations. It just means they're going to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: have more decisions to make.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: And it's.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: As we've talked about in other shows. Ryan Day since
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: he has taken over, has never had one season where
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the rules or the world is the same the next year,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: So it's like there's there's always something changing. And I
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: guess that's a good thing in terms of having him
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: because all he's ever known is chaos, So he's not
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: one of these guys sett in his ways, so he's
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: able to just ride the waves and this is just
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: the next thing and it is what it is. And
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: as he always says, we're not the only team that
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: has to do it deal with it. So that's something
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: that as long as everybody else has the same problem,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: will figure out how to get through it. And I
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: think that's that's good leadership.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I think he's in fantastic throughout this
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: period of just absolute chaos from year to year, pivoting
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: and the organization. You know, everybody from Pantoni and all
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: through has done just a great job. Then keeping the
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: main thing the main thing once they get in the
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: building and keeping that all status quo and not letting
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: all the stress and pressure of everything else kind of
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: bleed in. The team always feels like it's got a
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: great connection and definitely great chemistry, so they do a
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: great job on all fronts.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: This is the last thing I want to ask you
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: in terms of the future of recruiting and nil being
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: what it is. Do you think development is less important
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: than it's ever been because you can pay for players
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: or is it more important than it's ever been because
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: you can't pay for every player?
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I think probably as a whole it's less important, But
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: if you're good at it, you can get a much
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: bigger advantage on everybody else, like Indiana for instance.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: You boy, the proof isn't putting right there. If you
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: can get the most any players, develop them, have great coaches,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: great coordinator coordinators, just really smart players that have talent,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you can go a long way anything else. Before we go,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: we've covered a wide rate of time.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: We've covered a well Blake Wong that maybe one more
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Blake Wong As we record this show here Tuesday night,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: we'll drop it probably Wednesday morning, and we've got the
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Blake Wong decision coming Saturday. And Blake Wong is you know,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: going to be down to just probably Ohio State and
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: BYU come Saturday. In my estimation, talked to Blake and
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: the allure of Ohio State and everything, and the reason
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: that he wanted to go to Ohio State in the
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: first place a year ago, and why he was very
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: public a very public lean to Ohio State is all
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: still there. Of course, he is LDS and that all
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: ties in at BYU, and he believes in himself and
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: that he can, you know, be a star wide receiver
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: wherever he goes. But there is this feels to me
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: like this decision has not been made and it's up
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: in the air. And this is the first one we're
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: gonna see really where Cortez Hankton is like he can
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: win this. I think I really believe he can win
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: this or he cannot. And I'm really looking forward to
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: how this one shakes out. Not just that, but I
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: love Blake Wong as a prospect, so I'm really looking
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: forward to that. On Saturday, We'll be live over at
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Chuck on Bucks for that at five pm on Saturday. Yeah,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: so check that out.
• 58:55
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