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269: Hollywood Dynasties · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: More cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 4: Looks like you two have a lot to talk over
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  Speaker 4: we'll just catch the last 10 minutes of dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to movie meltdown i'm brian.
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  Speaker 7: I'm lucy josh amy mike.
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  Speaker 2: So if you were paying attention, you may remember Amy
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  Speaker 2: from the Yeti Spaghetti Show. And she was so thrilled
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  Speaker 2: with it that she came back. Enjoyed the fun. Glutton
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  Speaker 2: for punishment. Yeah, yeah. That's what we're looking for. That's
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  Speaker 2: the only people we wrote in are gluttons for punishment.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of which, we have Michael who you, again, if
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  Speaker 2: you're a keen listener, you probably heard me mention him
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  Speaker 2: on the John Doe episode. He was kind of instrumental
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  Speaker 2: in putting that together. But has not been on the
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  Speaker 2: show before.
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  Speaker 1: No, I have. So, happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome you to the show. You, to tie in our
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  Speaker 2: film stuff, you have kind of done a little of everything,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like. You're writer, producer, director, cinematographer, editor.
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  Speaker 1: Started out as PA, where every person in film should.
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  Speaker 1: Worked my way up. Gaffer for a short while. Line
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  Speaker 1: producer for a long while.
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  Speaker 2: Which is your least favorite job?
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  Speaker 1: PA. Absolutely, P.A. It's just awful. It's an awful and
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  Speaker 1: much abused position on a film set.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we were going to ask you to go get
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  Speaker 2: us coffee. Is that cool?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 2: We need some more Turkish coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Not for Lucy.
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  Speaker 2: Lucy's got a gallon of it here.
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  Speaker 1: She's on her seventh cup.
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  Speaker 2: She's going to be hammered, so it'll be interesting as
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  Speaker 2: this goes along. So, I don't know. Has anybody seen
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  Speaker 2: anything interesting lately to open up the show? Any geek
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  Speaker 2: activities of All I have is super dorky stuff. Not
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  Speaker 2: that that's different than any other week.
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  Speaker 8: I finally saw Gattaca.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And I really enjoyed it. I was quite pleased.
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  Speaker 2: I just continued on the Marvel train. I saw two
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  Speaker 2: of them this weekend, so I'm kind of caught up now,
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  Speaker 2: I think. I did go see Captain America, and I
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  Speaker 2: was impressed. They did a nice job with it. It's
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  Speaker 2: really just working in more of Black Widow, because I
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  Speaker 2: still think her character is really great and is... That
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  Speaker 2: is way more than I ever expected out of that character.
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  Speaker 2: And she's kind of turning in decent performances lately. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm really impressed with that. And they take his character
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  Speaker 2: down like a weird road that is sort of interesting
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  Speaker 2: in today's world because it's mirroring this like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Boy Scout that all of a sudden is dealing with
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  Speaker 2: the government, more or less. I mean, S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty
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  Speaker 2: much the government. That's kind of overstepping their bounds as
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  Speaker 2: to how much they're, keeping track of everybody and trying
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  Speaker 2: to keep terrorism from happening. And so it's interesting to watch,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the, the captain have to deal with all
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  Speaker 2: that because he's so like all American and all of
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  Speaker 2: these values that he's sort of grown up on are
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  Speaker 2: being sort of tested now that he's shoved in the
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  Speaker 2: modern world. So it's, I thought it was pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I saw my bodyguard again recently. I watched that one yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Chris make peace.
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  Speaker 2: We recently were having a discussion of what the hell
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  Speaker 2: happened to Chris Makepeace.
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  Speaker 1: He is actually working... Have you ever seen Homes on
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  Speaker 1: Homes on the DIY Network or the Home and Garden
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  Speaker 1: Channel or whatever? Well, he's like a producer on that now.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he does.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So Chris Makepeace and Martin Maul and one of his few...
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  Speaker 1: One of his rare non-gay characters, Martin Maul.
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  Speaker 9: So.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the time, he's just sort of Martin Maul.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he even got a special guest star, Martin Maul,
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  Speaker 1: in My Bodyguard, which I don't know how you get that.
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  Speaker 1: You must be pretty high up on that.
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  Speaker 2: That was early, too.
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  Speaker 1: He was good in that. I liked it. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got to relive that. I'm actually working... on my
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  Speaker 1: 70s snap zoom techniques, and so I wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and do some research. I'm really not. That's not
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, I got really excited for a second.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of want to see these.
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  Speaker 1: I'm into star wipes now.
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  Speaker 2: You've moved into the 80s.
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  Speaker 1: Good for you.
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  Speaker 8: Apparently Martin Mull's quite a painter as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think something he became way more passionate about as
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  Speaker 2: the years went on.
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  Speaker 1: They said that about Hitler, too. He was not... His
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  Speaker 1: perspective was all over the place. That guy couldn't paint.
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  Speaker 2: That's what led him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he had to find something else to do.
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  Speaker 8: Did you guys... Did anybody see Max?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what it was.
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  Speaker 8: Where John Cusack played his dealer. His art dealer.
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  Speaker 1: Hitler's dealer? Really? It was Noah... Wiley? Wait.
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  Speaker 8: It was the guy that played young Hitler. And it
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  Speaker 8: was up until.
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  Speaker 8: He came into power.
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  Speaker 1: Is that anything like young Indiana Jones? Young Hitler? That
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  Speaker 1: would not be a good show.
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  Speaker 2: They probably crossed paths. I mean, Indy ran into everybody
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  Speaker 2: over the years, including Hitler, actually. Probably so.
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  Speaker 8: Hitler's birthday is coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Are we going to make a cake.
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  Speaker 8: Or something like that?
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure where you were going with that.
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  Speaker 8: It was just more of a statement.
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  Speaker 7: I thought it was going to be a joke.
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  Speaker 8: I do have a Hitler joke.
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  Speaker 1: And tumbleweeds.
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  Speaker 2: I think he'll be surprised with the party.
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  Speaker 8: So I couldn't Hitler drink vodka.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 8: It made him mean.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: All right, and we're done.
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  Speaker 1: The end. I saw Noah.
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  Speaker 2: Did anybody see Noah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: I made snide comments about it last week.
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  Speaker 7: I will reference that episode. I'd have nothing to say
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  Speaker 7: about it unless anybody else in this room has seen it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a conversation.
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  Speaker 7: It's not a monologue. I need to work through it.
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  Speaker 1: When you say work through it, do you mean like
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  Speaker 1: in a Psychiatric sense?
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  Speaker 6: Possibly.
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  Speaker 1: You need to process the event?
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  Speaker 10: I kind of do.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's... Yeah, I don't even know where to
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  Speaker 7: start with this one.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like to lay down before we leave?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, can I just lay down? I wrote it off until...
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  Speaker 8: I found out a week before it came out that
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  Speaker 8: Aronofsky even directed it. I didn't even know anything about
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  Speaker 8: it until... I didn't even know it was coming out
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  Speaker 8: until like a week before. And then I found out
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  Speaker 8: he was... That's the only reason I want to see it,
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  Speaker 8: to be honest.
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  Speaker 7: And that's the only reason... I mean, I would not
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  Speaker 7: have found myself in a biblical epic with an Aronofsky
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  Speaker 7: name not attached to it.
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  Speaker 2: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Pat.
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  Speaker 8: Wait, the one that... Was that.
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  Speaker 2: Coppola?
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  Speaker 8: The one with Willem Dafoe? Last Temptation of Christ.
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  Speaker 7: Who's starring Harry Dean Stanton?
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  Speaker 10: Who?
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  Speaker 8: Harry Dean Stanton.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, you're not familiar with the work of Harry Dean Stanton?
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  Speaker 1: Why don't we talk about it?
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  Speaker 11: Here he comes.
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  Speaker 2: Wait what about the last definition.
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  Speaker 8: That's the one that's the only one I've actually seen
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  Speaker 8: because there's all the others oh right right yeah and
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  Speaker 8: I like that a lot.
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  Speaker 7: Well Noah I hate Aronofsky but I see every movie
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  Speaker 7: that he makes yeah he clearly I mean his agenda
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  Speaker 7: in making the film is so complex like I need
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  Speaker 7: to see it again I don't really understand what he
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  Speaker 7: was going for like all Aronofsky movies it completely falls
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  Speaker 7: apart in the middle because he just is unable to
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  Speaker 7: like grapple with the concept of, I don't know, a
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  Speaker 7: subdued narrative or subtlety or anything nuanced. So it just
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  Speaker 7: goes off the rails.
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  Speaker 1: How can a biblical epic fall apart in the second act?
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  Speaker 1: How does this happen? Usually when something falls apart in
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  Speaker 1: the second act, it's because something is drastically wrong with
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  Speaker 1: the first act. But how can something leak? wrong with
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  Speaker 1: the first act in a biblical epic.
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  Speaker 7: Well because the second act was the act where he
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  Speaker 7: created a new character um as.
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  Speaker 1: He added a chapter in the bible yes actually interesting
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  Speaker 1: well the bible's been heavily.
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  Speaker 7: Edited as played by ray winstone um so just imagine
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  Speaker 7: where that.
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  Speaker 1: Goes melvin 316 it's gotta be so there's a whale.
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  Speaker 2: As they're out on the boat suddenly starts chasing a whale.
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  Speaker 1: Is Sanonovsky a creationist, I'm wondering?
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  Speaker 7: No, and actually.
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  Speaker 1: Are there.
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  Speaker 7: Dinosaurs in this movie?
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  Speaker 2: That was my comment last week.
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  Speaker 7: That was a really interesting part of the movie, is
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  Speaker 7: that he was actually trying to, I think... again, I
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  Speaker 7: don't understand the man's brain and probably don't want to,
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  Speaker 7: but I think that what he was wanting to do
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  Speaker 7: was to sort of give creationists a viewpoint that's not oppositional,
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  Speaker 7: but that maybe they could sort of work the possibility
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  Speaker 7: of evolution into creationism, I think. So he was sort
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  Speaker 7: of baiting this audience to come see the film and
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  Speaker 7: then say, hey, maybe we're all right. Maybe we're both right.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe there's something in between.
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  Speaker 1: I've got news that is not going to happen. I
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  Speaker 1: went through an exhaustive... I wanted to do a documentary
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  Speaker 1: on the creationist movement in America. Oh, interesting. And so
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  Speaker 1: I had just gotten off, which, by the way, PBS, Frontline,
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  Speaker 1: April 29th. Self-promotion here. Please watch. Good morning. It's the
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  Speaker 1: Prison Nation, although I think they've changed the title. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a film that I shot with Mongoose Pictures.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, right after coming off that, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do something else. I wanted to present something else to Frontline.
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  Speaker 1: And so I wanted to do the creationist movement in America.
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  Speaker 1: And they put me through the ringer. Wow. And it
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  Speaker 1: was like a three-month process to get the permission to
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  Speaker 1: shoot in their museum. And I had to go through
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  Speaker 1: their PR firm in Dallas, and they called me up
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  Speaker 1: and they said, seven years ago, you donated $ 10 to
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  Speaker 1: a campaign. And I was like, oh my gosh, what
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  Speaker 1: is going on here? You don't want to know about
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  Speaker 1: half the things I've done. They have a file on you.
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  Speaker 1: They have a file on me.
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  Speaker 7: It's really scary.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys have connections with God?
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  Speaker 1: However, they did ultimately give me the permission to do it,
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  Speaker 1: to go ahead and interview their... Dinosaurs? They're a talking dinosaur.
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  Speaker 1: Has anybody been? I assume they do. Have you actually
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  Speaker 1: been there? I have not been there yet. I want
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  Speaker 1: to go. I really want to go. And then all
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  Speaker 1: this Bill Nye business got in the way. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: And so I was kind of, you know, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: a schmuck trying to make a documentary. So they kind
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  Speaker 1: of pushed me to the side.
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  Speaker 2: That seems like you've got your lead in for the
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  Speaker 2: guy doing the commentary.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was really hoping. Bill Nye, get out
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  Speaker 1: of here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to dig deep into those financial records and
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  Speaker 1: see where they're getting all their cash. Interesting. But they're
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  Speaker 1: an interesting group, and they really believe that the book
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  Speaker 1: of Genesis is a historical novel. They truly believe this.
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  Speaker 1: And so while I think they're absolutely insane, I 100% agree.
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  Speaker 1: respect their conviction. I really do.
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  Speaker 8: I hope they don't hear this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they know I think they're insane. However, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as a documentarian, you have to be unbiased. You have
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  Speaker 1: to be a journalist. As impartial as you can. As
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  Speaker 1: impartial as you can. It's tough sometimes, but it is possible.
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  Speaker 2: That was my question last week when I was talking
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  Speaker 2: about Noah. I don't know what his agenda was as
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  Speaker 2: a filmmaker. Even if he's not even the artist end
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  Speaker 2: of it, but the like, How are you going to
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  Speaker 2: market this? Like, are you going for the hardcore biblical group?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's usually the only people that come out and
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  Speaker 2: support stuff like that. You're going for that Passion of
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  Speaker 2: the Christ crowd. But I don't assume that he is that.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not like, where are you going? Like, how
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  Speaker 2: are you going to come out ahead in this process?
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  Speaker 2: Or does he just not care?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean, it's a straight up, it's an
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  Speaker 7: action film is what it is. And it's actually sort of,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's sort of tense and exciting. And I
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  Speaker 7: was actually sort of on board for a lot of
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  Speaker 7: it until it just totally went off the rails.
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  Speaker 1: On board.
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  Speaker 10: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: Coffee's kicking in. But, you know, I do think that
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  Speaker 7: he was, I think that was his agenda, to sort
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  Speaker 7: of mask this alternate viewpoint that he was trying to present.
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  Speaker 7: within something that would seem sort of palatable and exciting
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  Speaker 7: to that market.
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  Speaker 2: We have Gladiator and the animals. It starts making them fight.
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  Speaker 1: In the boat.
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  Speaker 7: But it is fun because certain animals don't make it,
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  Speaker 7: and they're all awesome looking. So that was fun.
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  Speaker 2: Unicorns and dragons got screwed over.
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  Speaker 7: It seems like it would have been a really fun
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  Speaker 7: movie to make.
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  Speaker 1: This never comes out of my mouth because I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a sucker for effects. But I wanted to see that
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  Speaker 1: movie just purely because of the effects. I think it
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  Speaker 1: would be just a hell of a ride, a great
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  Speaker 1: way to spend a couple of hours.
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  Speaker 8: Well, and since his movies aren't, to this point, have
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  Speaker 8: relied on... Well, I haven't seen The Fountain, but I've seen...
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  Speaker 8: I think I've seen everything else. But I know the...
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  Speaker 8: I think The Fountain is kind of effects heavy. But otherwise,
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  Speaker 8: his stuff isn't. So that's why I was surprised that
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  Speaker 8: he was doing this. Such an epic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it seemed like such a weird direction
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  Speaker 2: for him. I was like, I don't know what he's
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  Speaker 2: doing here. I assume he's got a plan. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like somebody who just half-asses things.
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  Speaker 8: So has he stated what his stance is with the
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  Speaker 8: whole thing? That's, to me, the most intriguing subtext of it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really feel.
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  Speaker 7: Like it was marketed very well, or if at all.
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  Speaker 12: I feel like I just heard about it maybe a
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  Speaker 12: week and a half ago, and it was just at
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  Speaker 12: the theater randomly.
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  Speaker 2: I remember us talking about it like, several years ago
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  Speaker 2: when they first announced that he'd signed on to do
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  Speaker 2: it and then i really haven't heard anything since then.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah just usually an epic blockbuster like that you get
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  Speaker 12: beat to death with it before it shows up it's
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  Speaker 12: strange it also.
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  Speaker 2: Got special timing in the year oh yeah this is
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  Speaker 2: not really oscar season for him so i don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that means the studio has absolutely no faith in
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  Speaker 2: it but.
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  Speaker 1: But it is easter season yes maybe they were planning.
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  Speaker 8: That's what i thought you were implying yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that the most promotion was done by
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  Speaker 7: the people who were boycotting it. I mean, that's how
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  Speaker 7: I heard it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what happened with Passion of the Christ. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was the only reason that film succeeded.
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  Speaker 8: Who was primarily boycotting animals?
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  Speaker 1: People who.
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  Speaker 2: Animals with picket signs. It was the cutest thing, really.
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  Speaker 7: People who love the Bible.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, so the Bible.
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  Speaker 7: Because I guess they heard that it didn't stick strictly
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  Speaker 7: to the historical document.
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  Speaker 8: Which version of the Bible are we talking about here?
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  Speaker 8: It's the one.
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  Speaker 1: You find in hotels. So it was hotel managers that
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  Speaker 1: were picketing most of it.
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  Speaker 8: The Gideons.
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  Speaker 7: The Gideons, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Gideon approved.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 8: But it's because it's been such a heavily edited thing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, anyway.
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  Speaker 12: Perhaps it was marketed in Pentecostal circles somewhere.
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  Speaker 7: We're just not aware. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 7: that the Christian community got really excited. Like, we have
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  Speaker 7: this Jesus movie, and now there's going to be a
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  Speaker 7: Noah movie. And then somebody was like, you know the
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  Speaker 7: Noah movie was made by an atheist, right? And then
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  Speaker 7: they were all like, no! And then they all sort
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  Speaker 7: of took to the streets.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how it went down.
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  Speaker 2: I think they did a lot of audio advertising, but
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  Speaker 2: it was all spoken in tongues, so good luck with that.
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: Well, the Golden Compass, do you remember when that?
• 16:50
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: The books were fantastic. They got in a lot of trouble, too.
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but then that whole thing is like, oh, he's whatever, yeah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: But they didn't make the second and third, and probably
• 16:59
  Speaker 8: that might have been part of it. It was actually
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: pretty good, but yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Do we want to get away from God? Let's take
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: our break, and then we'll come back and get into
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: this week's other topic, which I don't think is God-related
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: This is a reproduction of one of Michelangelo's greatest works.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: If you will be patient with me, I'd like to
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: talk to you about this wonderful soul that Michelangelo caught
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: so magnificently in marble. For centuries, people have been puzzled
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: by these horns. Well, in the original book of Exodus,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: the Hebrew text tells us that when Moses came down
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: from the mount, Charon came from his head. Karen is
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: the Hebrew word for horn, but it also is the
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Hebrew word for rays of light. Later artists, like Doré,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: show Moses with rays of light coming from his head.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Here is a photograph of the original statue in Rome.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Notice the likeness to Charlton Heston, who plays Moses in
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: the Ten Commandments. These very tablets were actually carved from
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: the red granite of the holy mountain itself. The Bible
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: omits the first 30 years or so that brought Moses
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: to manhood. To fill in those missing years, we turn
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: to ancient historians, such as Philo and Josephus. These historians
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: had access to documents long since destroyed, or perhaps lost.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: like the Dead Sea Scrolls. To film the Ten Commandments,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: we rolled our cameras on the very ground that Moses walked,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: here from the land of Goshen, across the Red Sea,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: down through the deserts of Shur and Sin, to Mount Sinai,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: the Holy Land. place of God. Moses' life is one
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: of the greatest adventure stories ever put between the covers
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: of a book.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: ¶ ¶ ¶ He was the wizard of a thousand.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: Kings ¶ ¶ And I chance to meet him one
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: night wandering.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So as I said, we've been to the Chicago Wizard
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: World before, so they've got quite a few. Since we're
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: hanging out here.
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: They've got a lot.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: They're all over the country.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Since they're inviting us to hang around here, I thought
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: we would go ahead and give the rundown. That's the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: difference with this one is it's not just in one city.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: It's something they've done kind of everywhere now. They've sort
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of taken over. So you can go to wizardworld.com and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: find out where they are in the near future. The
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: rundown of the upcoming ones.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: St.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Louis will be in April. Minneapolis in May. End of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: May into June is Atlanta. You've got Philadelphia after that,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: San Antonio, back to Chicago, Richmond. So it's like anywhere
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: in this general part of the country, you know, the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: United States.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Are you stopping at Richmond because we've got more to go?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's plenty. That's what I'm saying.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: Nashville, Austin, Ohio. I thought Ohio was just generalized.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: You know, that state.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But anyway, yes, you can go to wizardworld.com and find
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: out where the next show will be near you.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: You should definitely go.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Come hang out. That's what we're doing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: Definitely check out wizardworld.com for all of your wizard world
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• 22:39
  Speaker 11: your podcast? Yes, we are. And what kind of podcast
• 22:42
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• 22:43
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• 22:46
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• 22:48
  Speaker 11: Harrowing tales of the film industry. We don't have time, man.
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: We don't have time. I'm on a mission.
• 22:53
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• 22:55
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• 22:58
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• 23:00
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• 23:04
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• 23:06
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• 23:19
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• 23:25
  Speaker 5: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: And now, on with the show.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Alright, we are back and it is time for The Grind.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: In this segment we discuss a specific topic or question
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: related to movies and this week our question and or
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: topic comes from Lucy and she's been sitting on it
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: for almost a year now. We mentioned sort of this
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: topic in passing a long time ago as we sat
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: outside at the flea market. And even then I could
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: see her just like just raring to go to attack
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: certain celebrity children. We'll get to those in a minute.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so we're supposed to talk about Hollywood dynasties.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And I guess just the general overall families that keep
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: working within the business. Or some maybe does the kid
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: measure up.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: To the parents?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: So, however you would like to go about this. Do
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you want to start with the main one, Lucy?
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: No, I feel badly now. Like, really, this wasn't orchestrated
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: as an involved attack.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: It's been building up forever. Go ahead. Get into it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Take the gloves off.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Let's go.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: No, I was hoping, like, I didn't think you would
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: unveil my strategy. You did, a year ago. At the
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: offset of the show. I thought we could build to that,
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: and then maybe at some point it would come up.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Do you want me to just start making fun of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Xanadu or whatever her name is? I kept getting it
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: wrong last time.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: I still haven't seen her films because I think it
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: would be too hurtful to me if they are of
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: quality similar to those of her brother.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Again, visually, I think she has talent. I think it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: looks good. I think it was mostly the storytelling parts
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that I had major issues with. So, yeah, I think
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: she has more problems with structuring the movie than the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: actual visual direction.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: That's all I have on her. I've seen that one
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: movie of hers.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Which is highly influenced by the DP.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: I was about to say, since we have a DP
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: in the room.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I wasn't blaming him.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Xanadu. That's not a name. What is it?
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: I think it's Xan.
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: Alexandra.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: They were excellent kid actors in the Nick Cassavetes films. Anyway,
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: for those playing at home, Nick Cassavetes is the offspring
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: of John Cassavetes and Jenna Rollins, who, by birthright, should
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: be a perfect human being. and instead has made films
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: like The Notebook.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: I don't even think I have to say anything beyond that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: You can't see me. I'm yawning right now.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Just thinking about The Notebook.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Just thinking about The Notebook.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I see Notebook you're down. So, any of his other
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: films you're not a fan of? I mean, that one
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: kind of takes the cake.
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: Did you do the one with Halle Berry and the
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: 911 thing?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, The Call? That's not him. We talked about that
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: same episode.
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: Well, that's an episode I listened to. Maybe he came
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: up in that episode.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: No, that was, what's his name that did Happy Accidents,
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: which was a great film. I'm forgetting his name right now.
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: Happy Accidents or Happy Endings?
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: Happy Accidents. Happy Accidents is, and I don't know what
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: I like. I feel like now we're just launched.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: We're just spiraling at this point.
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: I don't think he's related to anyone else.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: But everybody at home should watch Happy Accidents. It stars
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: Marissa Tomei and Vincent D'Onofrio. And it is the most
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: delightful romantic comedy, and I'm not generally a fan of
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: that genre. But it's a time travel movie, or maybe
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: it's not.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Another one of those.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: All right, then.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: If you've said your piece on the Cassavetes offspring. If
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I've said my piece.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: If I'm on the record. It just hurts, that's all.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: For anyone who didn't hear it last time, she's kind
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of a fan of John.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: And Jenna. And their perfect love.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And all their friends that used to hang out and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: make movies. And somehow they made these demon spawn children.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: It just doesn't make sense. I mean, I would be
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: fine if you were a terrible person but a great filmmaker.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I like that criteria.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I fit that. No, wait, no, no. Terrible filmmaker, great, no,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: wait a minute.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know about either.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me rethink it. I'll get back
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I think we all have to make that decision for ourselves.
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: Although he did make a film called Alpha Dog, which
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: does have Harry Dean Stanton in it. So I guess
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: he's done one thing right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Isn't JT in there, too?
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: He is, and not terrible.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So there's the crossover. When we're playing the Harry Dean
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Stanton game, which we're going to make that. Forget this
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Kevin Bacon, right? We can connect Harry Dean Stanton to everybody.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It's much more efficient. You've got one move to JT.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: All right, do we want to pick some other families?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely have one.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: I'm really excited about this. There's been a teaser.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have several... I have several categories here, but
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: we'll first get into the ones that annoy me. And
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this may not be a popular family with all of you,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: but the Coppolas.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: Oh, I love the Coppola discussion.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Really just bugged the crap out of me. And it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: not necessarily because they lack talent. Lost in Translation, I thought,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: was a Sofia Coppola film, was a decent film.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: Again, great DP there.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Great DP, great actor. You can't go wrong with Bill Murray. However,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: what I do have the issue with, and this is
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: across the board with Hollywood families, is bypassing the system
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to get to jump into the director's seat. And my partner,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Archie Borders, always says it's not enough to make a movie.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: You have to make a good movie. And I think
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that the good part is often overlooked with these dynasties.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And Sofia Coppola is a perfect example of that. But
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: she has this is access to all these people. That's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the key word, I think. She surrounds herself with people
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: who know what they're doing. Now, a good producer will
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: do that, but they'll admit to doing that. I oftentimes
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: hire people that are ten times smarter than I am
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to go do the jobs that they do very well.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: It is just smart filmmaking from your standpoint, from her standpoint.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I understand why she does what she does. But again,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you can kind of call her out. I think it's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: just one of those, she is in that position and
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: she's the only one in that position. So it's like,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: either cash in on it or, you know, you gotta
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: go get a real job. So, I mean, I don't
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: blame her, but I definitely am kind of on your side.
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: And it's also the built-in attention you're going to get. Like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: all the accolades that are... It's almost they're there waiting
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: for you before the movie's even finished. Because what's the
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: version Suicides Are First? Yeah. Boston Translation is the only
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: one I've actually seen.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And it's... Virgin Suicide was not, in my opinion, not
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a good film. I mean, it was this freshman effort
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: which was, you know, which was given 100 times more
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: attention than it should have ever been given. But she
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: cast it well. That's the thing. She cast it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: And the soundtrack. I know the effort. I've had the
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: soundtrack for years. And the soundtrack is great.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: So she does things well, but I think she does
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: things well by committee. So she should not be in
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the director's chair.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: She's somebody that I hate watching the same way that
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: I hate watching Aronofsky. I've seen every single one of
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: her movies. I see them on opening night, generally, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: I cannot stand her. But I watch them because I
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: feel like they're becoming increasingly... Her entire oeuvre is one
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: of privilege, and it's one of movies about people who
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: we're supposed to somehow empathize or pity because they are.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: Stuck at a five-star Tokyo hotel, or they're a beautiful
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: blonde in the suburbs, or they're the queen of France.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I've always had a soft spot for her, the queen
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of France. But they're tortured internally, and that's what we're
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: supposed to connect with. And that's complete bullshit. I can't
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: connect with that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: I will say, though, that I do find something delightful
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: about her. And I guess this sort of brings in,
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: had she ever had a child with Spike Jonze, that
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: would have been interesting to see what happened to that kid.
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: But I felt like her was very much Spike's movie
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: about their relationship. And obviously, Lost in Translation, she's pretty
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: much said, was very much her relationship with Spike.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: It's like they're having the most public... It's like a cinema...
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: Those songs, those callback songs from the 50s were like...
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: I feel like that's what's happening. And it's sort of
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: interesting to watch something that personal happen on that public level.
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: And what's interesting about her is that... I haven't seen it, but...
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: What's her name? I'm blanking her name.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Who did the voice?
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Scarlett?
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, originally it was Samantha Morton or.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I heard.
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: Did the whole thing. And so that adds even more
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: to that, that she... They recast her voice as the
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: final one since she's in it. Yeah, I don't know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: Maybe it's just incidental.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: If you go deeper into the Coppola clan.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: There are several levels.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: There are several levels. The deep tracks. The deep tracks
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: of the Coppola clan, Talia Shire.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Hidden tracks.
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Jason Schwartzman.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: True.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Who actually I enjoy watching. I think he's fun. Talia Shire,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I've never gotten her. I've never, you know.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Again, just latching on to a good situation.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not a perfect human being. I would probably do
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm not faulting them for doing what
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: they do. That's kind of my.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Thing with Sophia, too. I would hop in Dad's.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Car the second he opened the door. I would definitely
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: do that. But the fact that I'm not doing it
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and they aren't makes me bitter.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Because you, as you mentioned, fought through all those years
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and PA jobs and all that crap along the way.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: You have reason to be bitter.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: So I certainly get your perspective. But, again, if I'm Sophia,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I would get.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Right on board with that. Sophia Coppola has never stood
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: in knee-deep mud holding a reflector while a copperhead ran
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: through her legs. She has never done that, and I have.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: But we're all going that direction. I don't know. I
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: kind of want to pose this. What are your thoughts
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: on Francis in recent years? because i've just watched was
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: it twigs or whatever yeah he's he's and again maybe
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it's one of those he became more passionate about making
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: wine than he did about making films because that last
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: one i don't know i feel like he's kind of
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: working backwards as a filmmaker he's like it seemed like
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: right out of the gate he he started doing these
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: well again once he started you know getting to the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: point he's doing the godfather and stuff like that he's
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: doing like these well polished, well orchestrated pieces that seem
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: like it would take you much longer than his early
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Roger Corman days to get, you know, he pretty quickly
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: jumps to that, you know, within a few years. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: now you look at him and I swear now watching
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that last one, it feels like he's like a freshman filmmaker.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: It feels like he's just going with all gut and, and,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you know, he's trying to put his heart on the screen,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: but it loses all structure. It loses everything. the basics
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: of filmmaking and storytelling. And like, so again, it has
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that thing like, here, I made this. It has this
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: little kid feeling of, look how cool this part is.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But like, you lose all the, what should be a
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: polished filmmaker should know how to do all this by now.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And I feel like he's lost that over the years.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: He may not have lost it, but I think he's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: gotten very lazy.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I think he just doesn't care. Like, as far as
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: interviews with him on that, it was like, he's just like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: You know, this is what I wanted to do. I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: don't care. Like, he's got that, like, I can do
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: whatever I want system in play now. And, like, so
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: now he... When nobody's telling you no, it's what most
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: big filmmakers get to. You make whatever the hell you want,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: even if it's terrible.
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: See, I don't... He could do anything and people would
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: still worship him. It doesn't matter at this point.
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: But that's probably based on his early work, too.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: It's kind of like... Well, anyway, yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think that the films that he's made
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: recently are successes by any stretch of the imagination. But
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: I do... respect the choice to sort of go in
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: that sort of really weird art house direction. I mean,
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: that's kind of what Nicholas Ray did and what John
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: Houston did and which I love about both of those
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: directors is that they started out in the studio system.
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: They're making these like very, these great, but still sort of,
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: you know, by the book sort of films. And then
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: as they got older, they just got weird as hell.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: And that was the thing watching that. I was like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I totally respect him for making it. Like I, and I, again,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: there's so much visually there. But it's like, why? If
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: it were a different filmmaker, I'd be like, oh, this
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: guy just doesn't know how to.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, I know you can.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Like, I've seen you do it in the past. You
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: know how to structure a film and make it work
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: on so many other levels. And it's like, is it
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: just he doesn't care now? Or is it just, like,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I respect the arthouse way that he's going. He's going
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: minimal budgets usually. Like, I like what he's doing. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: just wish it was a little more polished.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: A little more good.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: More gooderer.
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: A little more gooderer. I.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: I think maybe he just has a different vision than
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: we do.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: But even a different vision than the younger version of himself.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: He's become a very different filmmaker as the years have
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: gone on.
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: I'm trying to recall what are some of the recent.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: I can't remember their names because they all have weird names.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Twix was that one with Val Kilmer. I haven't seen
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: that one. That's the one I saw most recently. What
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: was the one that he was taking on the live
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: show that he was doing? Because again, I totally respected
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the craziness of that. that he was touring around with
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: that one, and he was actually, this will be interesting
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: for you as a filmmaker, he had different cuts of
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the film, and he was doing it as a live performance.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: It was almost performance art through film. He had different cuts.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: He was reading the audience and putting in a different
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: cut for how he felt like they were, like, it
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: really was like a live experience. Wow, I know nothing
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: about this. That one was awesome, like, as an idea. Again,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I haven't even seen that film, so I don't know
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: how the Once you edit it and put it on DVD,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: it changes that total experience. But yeah, I don't know.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: But that kind of stuff, I totally respect that he's
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: doing that now as an older filmmaker. But it's just
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: weird that, again, that's the kind of crazy stuff somebody
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: in college would be doing. And now he's an old
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: man that's been making movies his whole life and he decides.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: So he just feels like he's reverted to a younger
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: filmmaker as he's gotten older and maybe just crazier.
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: And I'm blanking the Coppola thing. But it's not the
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: last name of the actor that's in... Yes, thank you.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: He's the hidden track of this album.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, my gosh.
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: So how do we feel about that? I mean, somebody
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: who eschews the name. I mean, is that real? Did
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: he really.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're buying that early story, I guess
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you have to respect him, right? Because he was doing
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: what Sophia didn't do. He's like, I don't want to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: skate by on the name. I want to earn my
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: way into being an actor or a celebrity or whatever
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: he planned on being. So... If that were true, whatever
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: he became, I mean, if that's true, I guess you
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: would respect him more, right? But again, we don't know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: because very quickly everybody went, oh, you know, he's related
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: to Coppola.
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: But if that story was public, and if everyone knew
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: that he did it, so then it just makes.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It more complex.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Is it just him making him seem like he's, yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Well, he had two great films and one mediocre film.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And that was it. That sums up his career.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I can think of one.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Leaving Las Vegas. was an amazing film, I thought.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I thought... Raising Arizona okay there we go his performance
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: in Raising Arizona his performance in Raising Arizona absolutely he
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: made that film but that ensemble cast everybody made that
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: film everybody was great in that film and then I.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: And of course the third one Drive Angry 3D Valley
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Girl sorry.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I apologize.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I figured we were going pretty early.
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: I would like to nominate Bad Lieutenant 2, Port of Call,
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: New Orleans, completely unironically.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: The Electric Boogaloo?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Bad Lieutenant 2, Electric Boogaloo?
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: I'm going to see it just on your praise because
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: I watched the first one recently.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I can't get that time back if I watch it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I promise.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: It's something you want in your life.
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: Well, it's Herzog, right?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: It is Herzog.
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: That right there is crazy.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: And then you add extra crazy. I, I, yeah, I
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: think it's a stunning film.
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: So it's, it's like, it's a retelling in a way,
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: but it's also its own.
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: It has nothing to do with bad Lieutenant, except there
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: is a Lieutenant in it. Who is that? That is
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: the only connection.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: The first one was able for air, wasn't it? Cause
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: he was pissed off about that too.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Where did they get the title from then? I, he.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Did not like them not tying it to you. He
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: was not happy with that title, but, but it's great. It's,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: And that's all I'm going to say. It's legitimately fantastic.
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I will watch it purely on your recommendation, then. The
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Bad Lieutenant 2, The Electric Boogaloo.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Everybody, mark it down.
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: So I did cheat in IMDb. The other two movies
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: that I was thinking about were Tetro and Youth Without Youth.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Tetro, I heard a lot of that same stuff
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: about it. It was terrible.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: And Youth Without Youth, I actually thought was pretty good.
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: At least really interesting.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: See, but, I mean, he left behind... I mean, if
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you go back to, like, jack like during those middle
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: years i was like what.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Are you doing like jack what are you doing i
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: had i had blanked that out oh yeah i.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Think everybody tried to and even what was the matt
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: damon the the lawyer when rainmaker yeah like that and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: that was just like by the book like it wasn't
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: bad but i'm just like it's so not a coppola
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: movie like it's just like could have shoved anybody in
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: there here's another grisham movie just make one of these.
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: And I feel like those were the wine financing years.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Probably. Probably.
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: I think Dracula's the last I've seen of his, actually,
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: now that I think about it.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: And I felt like he gets a bad rap for that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's a very.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: I.
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: Liked how he doesn't belong in it.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody likes to badmouth him, but I think... Was
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: it Sterling that brought up the point? Jonathan is an idiot.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: We needed someone to play in it. Like, he lives
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: with a vampire for months on end and is like,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: something's peculiar around here. So you kind of need an
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: idiot to play him. So I was like, once he
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: said that, I was like, all right, maybe it was
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: good casting, actually. Jonathan Harker's a moron.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Gary Oldman's great in that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's fantastic.
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: Again, that's great. The blue sunglasses.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: His key performance for me. That's kind of where I
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: go to. I mean, he's got so many, but like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know, he's just so good at it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: I like his role in the professional... Oh, yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that was that run.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: That 90s run. Romeo is Bleeding.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: Now, if only he and Uma Thurman or Isabella Rossellini
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: had ever had kids.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Well, see, that goes into one of my other categories,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: is people that I wish had started Dynasty.
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: Why aren't you having children?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: People that I wish had started Dynasty. Gary Oldman. Gary
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Oldman falls into that category. I so wish he would
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: have a baby.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: With Harrison Ford.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: With Harrison Ford.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Based on that last movie.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I do. I really do.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: I'll have a baby with Gary Oldman. I'll take one
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: for the team.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: All right, Gary. It's on the table. Quite literally, I suppose.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: However you want to go about it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Well, then.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: So, have we finished the Coppola clan?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, did we hit on everybody? We didn't talk about Carmine.
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: We didn't talk about the patriarch. who did all the music,
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: who is also an Oscar winner. They're like the other
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: family other than the Houstons that has three generations of
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: Oscar winners. So, shout out to Carmine, if that's his name.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: We've said a lot of odd things about your family,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: but if you'd like to, you know, if the wine
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: company would like to sponsor the show, or send us
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: free cases of wine, whatever, we'll take whatever we can.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: Goes great with Uncle Matty's pizza.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: None of these are working, by the way, you realize that.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: I don't care, I'm going to keep going. I had
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: Uncle Matty's on my way here, just... FYI.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: What a shock.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, we had that last night. It's really good.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It is good.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: They make a really good pizza.
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: And they have the, oh, because they have the vegan cheese.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: They drag their feet on sponsoring, though.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: Well, maybe because.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Speaking of sponsoring, Prison State PBS Frontline, April 29th. Please watch.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Where do you find that again?
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: On PBS? It's only PBS.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Okay. Just getting the right plug out there so we
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: know where to look for it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Please check your local listings.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: There you go. Do you have other people you want
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: to move on to? I've got a random list, but
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: if you've got ones that you're more angry at... Oh, angry?
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: I was going to say the Fondas, but I don't
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: think that's... Nah. That one's not... That one doesn't make
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: me angry.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Well, then you just get to the bottom of it
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and go, what the hell happened to Bridget? The ones
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that just sort of disappear. She's had some good moments. Yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: but where did she go?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: She.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Seemed like she left the whole acting thing behind.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Well, she did the right thing then. She took her
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: own life like a samurai. It's what one must do
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: when they dishonor the family.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Did she? And yet Jane didn't? Wait, how did this go?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: If not for the 60s stuff, how about for Monster-in-Law
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: or whatever that thing was?
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: She did start the home exercise craze.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: If not invented it, she certainly perfected it and marketed
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: it better than anyone.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: You gotta hand it to her on that. With the
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: help of Ted's money.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Everything works better with Ted's money. Again, if Ted would
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: like to sponsor this show. We're on some Turner ads
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: And with the help of Spandex. Yeah, leg warmers and Spandex.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: If nobody else has a new one, I'd like to
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: bring up the Smiths. As in Will Smith.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Silly little boy, Jaden. And girl.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Take your pick.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything with her in it yet.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Mostly her musical career. It's a different road.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the trajectory that Will has been on. The
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Pursuit of Happiness was in my top ten of all
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: time greatest films. I thought that from a storytelling perspective
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: and the adaption of a true event, a real life story,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it definitely wasn't a Pearl Harbor. Crickets.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Rightful.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: But, just the way that story was told and the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: way that he transformed himself to play that character, I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: just thought was a stunning performance. I really, I thought
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: he was completely overlooked for what he did in that film. But,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Then he gave us Jaden. And, you know, I mean,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the Karate Kid.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Remake, come on.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't even bother. I watched it, and I had
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to keep the knife out of my hand because I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: was going to take my own life.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: Has anybody seen Six Degrees of Separation?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: That's early.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Fantastic film.
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: Well, there's another legacy in there, too.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Sutherland. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And, um... Oh, he's a woman.
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: That's fantastic. She was in Grease.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Stalker Channing.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Stalker Channing.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But with Will, what I don't understand is, like,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: he's had what's probably, what, at least 20-year span of, like,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: being kind of beloved. Like, not just people like him
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Like, even when he makes bad movies
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: or whatever, people just kind of still love him because
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: he's such a likable guy. How the hell is it that, like,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I have met no one who likes that Jaden kid. Like,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: how can you, like, love the dad so much? Well, okay, Lucy,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: go ahead then. And hate the son so much.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: I feel badly. And I'll talk trash about Nick Cassavetes
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: until the cows come home. But he's a kid. We've
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: got to leave this kid alone. It kind of broke
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: my heart when he got nominated for a Razzie. Or
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: did he get the Razzie? Like, it's just mean.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I think is weird, though. Like, not only, like,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: everyone loves Will Smith, but, like, this poor child across
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the board. People just despise him.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I think despise is a strong word.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of bad comments about him.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I do not appreciate what he is trying to do
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: in the industry. Let's put it that way. I think
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: he should finish school. He should go to college and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: he should try to be an accountant or something for
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: a while. And then maybe.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Are you saying that because you don't like his performances
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: so much? Because there are so many child actors that
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I think are good that I'm like, thank God they
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: didn't go to school. School's lame. Look at these amazing.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Performances we got for years. I think he is an
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: extremely weak actor.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 12: I wonder if the Smith children have been kind of
• 48:49
  Speaker 12: forced into their Hollywood roles as being.
• 48:54
  Speaker 12: Whatever the girl does, her horrible music, and I don't
• 48:57
  Speaker 12: even know.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: I wonder if that's even something they're interested in or
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: if they're just kind of forced into it because that's
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: what they can think. They can make money off of
• 49:05
  Speaker 12: them like they're little commodities.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I will not believe that Will would do that to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: his daughter.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: See?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: He's still beloved. He is beloved. He is. I don't know.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: So we'll blame Mom.
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: I think we can't even really wrap our heads around
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: that reality.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Wrap? I think.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Where you're going. I was going way back. I was
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: going deep on the will. Go ahead.
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: I mean, if you grow up in that environment and
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: it's just sort of the family business and you just,
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, I know there's a certain sense of entitlement.
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: I'm sure the kid's a real asshole, but it's not.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: I don't know. He's a kid. He's a kid. And
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: he'll grow up and he'll realize that he's not just
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: entitled to have a career and you have to work
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: for things.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Oh or maybe he takes some.
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: Classes or maybe he won't but let's give him a
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: chance we.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: All turn on him right now maybe he'll run away
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: we'll all win yay no this is one i wanted
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: to bring up because this i think fits almost all
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: of this stuff is like i think it's always a
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: bad idea for the child to go into the same
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: business as the parent specifically the same job. Like if
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: you can adjust it a little and be like, okay,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: you were an actor. I want to be a director.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can get it. But I mean, does it
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: constantly stack the deck so much that like, you're never
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: going to get a fair break. Like even if you
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: end up going through the right channels and not coasting
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: on your name and are actually talented and, you're still
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: constantly going to be compared to your parents. So is
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: that just a bad idea?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Nepotism in any industry is bad. It is bad. I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: don't care if you're a bail bondsman. It's just not
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do. You do your children a
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: disservice by allowing them to not have to go through
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the system. My daughter wants desperately to be a set designer.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And given the fact that my career is on such
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: a stellar upward trajectory. You don't even know how awesome.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: You were like, come on, honey, let's go. Bring your
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: fabrics and get on in here.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: That's right. But no, I would definitely give her jobs
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: on sets as a PA. I would allow her to
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: hang around the set, and I think that's given her
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a little glimpse inside of what what happens on a
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: film set, and you get to know film set etiquette.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: But I would expect my daughter, if my career had
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: any sort of upward mobility in all seriousness, I would
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: expect my daughter to work from the ground floor and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: to learn all those things that I had to learn
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: starting out, which is you are the bottom of the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: food chain until you aren't.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Until you can make yourself not.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Until you can make yourself not. And the attitude is everything.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And rolling your eyes at the production coordinator because you
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to go get somebody a salad is the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: wrong thing to do. You don't do those things. And
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I think that whether you're starting out as the first
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: person in your family in this industry or you're a
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: third generation or a fourth generation, you have to learn
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: those things. And parents that don't allow their children to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: learn those things the hard way are doing them a
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: major disservice.
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: I think when you don't arrive to a point, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: that's the thing, they're just jumping right in and skipping
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: all that. And then also, I wonder how, say Sofia Coppola,
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: I wonder how she does treat people in positions that
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: she hasn't actually had to do herself. Maybe she does
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: have a grace on the set, but I doubt it.
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying?
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: Because if you did start out getting coffee, you're not
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: going to talk down when you're at that point where
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: you're asking someone to get coffee.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I think if you work as a director... And I've
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: never directed a feature. I've only directed documentaries. But if
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: you work as a director, I believe that in order
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to be an efficient director, you have to at least
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: have empathy. And you have to understand that time takes time.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: It takes a long time for somebody to perform this action,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: to set the lights, and to do all these. You
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: have to have some empathy for those other crew positions,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: or else you... you walk onto a set with a
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: really warped sense of reality, and it just creates bad bedfellows.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, the crew is going to, I think, resent
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you the first time you make a mistake. And from
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that point on, that stuff shows up on the screen.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: And I don't care. You could argue that ten ways
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to Sunday. It will show up on the screen in
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: some way, shape, or form. when there's not cohesiveness and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: when there's not a real love for the director. Because
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the director is the key. The director is the one
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that's captaining the ship. And you have to follow the director.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I just feel like it seems like, again, it just
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: seems like whatever business you go in, if you're ending
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: up going, specifically because the entertainment business is so publicized
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: and everything is about the way that you market stuff
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and what people say about, you know, celebrities, whether or
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: not it has anything to do with their art. To me,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: it's just like, you are just setting yourself up. And
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: so many times it feels like the kid never gets
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: out of the shadow of, of who they ever wants
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: in a while. There's an example where they will kind
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: of surpass, but it just seems like so many, and
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: you see so many kids do that. And I guess
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: it's just exposure. They're just surrounded by the business and
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: they're like, well, that's what I do. But I don't know.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: It just seems like so many times that you see
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: them go into the exact same business, and then they're
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: just fighting that fight from day one. Maybe they coasted
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: in on their name, but then as soon as they
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: get there, people just want to rake them over the
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: coals because of their name. So it's a double-edged sword
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: in some cases, it seems like.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Well, but there have been a few families where the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: children have surpassed. Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: It's the exception, but there are a good amount of them.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I think the Bridges family. There's Lloyd, but Jeff Bridges is,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I think, an icon. The guy, not to put too
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: fine of a point on it, but I think the
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: guy really sets the bar for a lot of Hollywood
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: actors nowadays. He's somebody to look at and aspire to
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: be that good.
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: And then there's Bo Bridges.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: He's got a sitcom now? Does he?
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: I don't know if this is still the case, but
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: a few years ago I was walking down Hollywood Boulevard
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: and there's the Lloyd Bridges star and then there's the
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: Jeff Bridges star and then there's an empty star. They
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: really want Bo to like.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: There's a piece of duct tape that says Bo on it.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: He's just not there yet.
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: That makes me a little sad.
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: He can do it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: We're collecting money to get it done. There's time.
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: And then there's todd bridges i met him.
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: The most high caliber he's doing a lot of uh
• 56:11
  Speaker 10: i met him in a comic book or i didn't
• 56:13
  Speaker 10: may i saw him in the lobby in a comic
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: book convention he's.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Actually a producer with chris make peace on homes on
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: home that's what he's doing.
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: Now we had he had to do his public service
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: lecturing at high schools Starting to say, as long as
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: he's not knocking over liquor stores, good for him. He
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: doesn't look like his dad, though.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about people I wish had had dynasties?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Some more of those people? Roger Deakins. I would like
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: to be Roger Deakins' baby.
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: Does he not have children?
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Well, if he does, they're not in the industry.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: They're not you, which is the important part.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: What did you say? I was thinking about me. I
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: didn't hear anything you just said. Roger Deakins has such
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: a catalog of great films under his belt. Brazil, Sid
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and Nancy, Fargo.
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: Oh, I didn't realize he'd done Sid and Nancy.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Sid and Nancy, Fargo, Raising Arizona, it was
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: DP on that, No Country for Old Men, which, another dynasty, Brolin. Yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: You know, so he consistently churns out fantastic work. That
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: guy is amazing, and I want to be his child.
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: I think he just did the, I saw the, Prisoners?
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: I think he did that. Yeah, he did. I'm not certain.
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: The way that was done, it really made that movie.
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: That's worth seeing, specifically for that.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Shawshank was another one. I actually worked on Shawshank. I'd
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: always liked Deacon's films since Brazil. And then watched Sid
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: and Nancy and really fell in love. with his work
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: there so when I got to I got a job
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: on Shawshank just so I could watch him work which
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: was really neat so most other kids were dating and
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I was following you know Roger.
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: Deakins around yeah well.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Since you were firing off all the Coen Brothers movies
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: when's Joel and Francis gonna I mean shouldn't we be
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: starting a whole new clan here we need more Coens
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: following this up.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: That's dual dynasties.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: These brother dynasties. Another one is the Brooks family. Mel
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: and Max.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: That's true. In a different direction, kind of. But he's
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: becoming bigger and bigger.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: It works. So you've got Mel Brooks, who's like.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: One of the funniest men on the planet.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Funniest man on the planet. He's AFI, Lifetime Achievement, Oscar, Tony.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: And then Max, who I didn't know this until recently...
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: was actually a writer on SNL for several years before
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: he released the Zombie Survival Guide. And then World War Z.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: And then he... See, this is where I really think
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: he's done it right. Max Brooks has done it right.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: He was asked to write the screenplay to World War
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Z and turned it down and said he is not
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: a good enough screenwriter to do that. And I wish
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: he had.
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: I wish he had done it.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: But it was like, that's the kind of humility that
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I would hope you would see in more Hollywood dynasties,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't exist.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I would feel like even if he didn't have that name,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: just as the author of the book, they could have
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: at least brought him in with somebody else. It would
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: have probably come out a little better. Not last act,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: but anyway. Well, one of the ones I assumed we
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: were going to go to pretty early was the Barrymores.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Everyone's favorite clan? Starting in Reverse?
• 59:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know.
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: That's a tricky one because it's not really diminishing returns.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's sort of a skip generational thing, although
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: Hollywood Confidential is great. Or High School Confidential, sorry. I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: don't know. How do we feel about Drew Barrymore? Is
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: she talented? Is there a point to her? Okay, no.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Is there a point to her?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: That's probably the better question. I don't love a lot
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: of her performances, but I will say she seems to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: take what she does seriously. I don't think she thinks
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: it's all a joke. And especially like now she's gotten
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: into directing. So it's like she still kind of takes
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: her career seriously. Somehow she gets on screen and she
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: usually just kind of acts silly. But like, I don't,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I don't understand how one doesn't like improve the other.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: You would think if she had just took no interest
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: in her career, she would get those performances. But I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: feel like she still takes her career seriously, but her
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: acting not so seriously. Because that's like even watching Whip It.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Like I'm like, as a director, I don't have a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: problem with her. When she's doing her cameo type performance,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: it's horrible. It's like the worst thing in that movie
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: is her little bit part in it. So I don't know.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe you should just do more directing because
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: you just keep doing Adam Sandler movies.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 12: I don't think she's done anything good since E.T.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: That was her pinnacle.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Firestarter. Firestarter. You know, okay. I can't believe I'm coming
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: out with this.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: You love Charlie's Angels.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I thought Never Been Kissed was a good movie. I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: enjoyed that movie. I thought she was campy and Fun
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: to watch. It's not going on the shelf of all-time favorites.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: There's a level where she can do that stuff, and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: that's the thing.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: She was a comedic presence in that film. She really
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: carried off that, pulled off that character. I thought it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: was good.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: She's got a level where she can work, but I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: don't know. Again, she just keeps doing Adam Sandler movies.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: There's another new one for God's sakes.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 12: She's one of those people also that can do anything
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 12: and it just becomes popular. She just released a book
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 12: a few months ago that is photos she took of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 12: heart-shaped objects.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: So it's an Instagram account.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: But they gave her a book deal. What the fuck?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: That's exactly my thoughts.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: And then it's all about the preface.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 12: I read the preface and it's all about love.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I've got to get out of here. We'll take a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: break on that one.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: It's really silly. And I was thinking she's going on
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: this big model.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to release a book of dick-shaped objects. How
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: about that? There's already three of them.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: There's three of them out there.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: It's phallic right here.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: She's been married, like, what, seven times? And she's talking
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: about love and how, yeah, I don't know. She loves everyone. Apparently.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: For real.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: For a minute.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: She loves scamming the public.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I've never been kissed sucked.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: She's mighty. I don't like her.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 8: When's her album coming out?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: Oh, God.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 12: Yeah, probably next week.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I don't like her.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: The end.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Drew, we love you.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: If you ever want to come.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: On the show.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 8: She's a nerd. She's almost a non-person.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Lucy's thinking, I was this close to getting her for
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: the Harry Dean Stanton Fest. This close.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: That's only my opinion.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks, jackasses.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Bring Lionel with you. This will be interesting.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, she did come from pretty big names up
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: there back in the day. And it's funny that, yeah,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: she went in a totally different direction.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: Well, was she one of the producers for Donnie Darko?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: Because wasn't she kind of influential in that being able
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: to happen? You didn't like that?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 11: Oh, no.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to do that episode.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: We keep putting it on.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: Why have we not done that episode? There'll be blood.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: It's going to get vicious.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: You didn't like that either?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: Actually, I didn't, but that was not a reference to that.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: I was just saying it's going to be a bloody episode.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: Nods and Gunny Dark was fantastic.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: Except the things that are great.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Except the things that you like.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: And those things I love.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: But most things.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: Speaking of things I love, let's get this positive again.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: Let's talk about the Houstons. Because the Houstons are the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: family that I want the Cassavetes to be.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: So you start with Walter, who is an amazing actor.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: And then you've got John, who is an amazing writer-director.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: Also actor, maybe not his strong point, but still good.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: But he liked doing it.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, he did it for kicks. And then
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: you just have like a million Houstons after that. And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: every time I feel like I see a really great performance,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, who is this? Like, the sniper on
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: Boardwalk Empire. I was like, who is this guy? He's amazing.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: Jack Houston. Sure enough, it's a Houston. Like, they're all
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: over the place. And they're phenomenal.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And they keep making them. And they had a.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: City in Texas named after them.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Because they misspelled it, so that was dumb.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: Texas fucks everything.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: That's not true. We love you, Texas. We have a
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: lot of Texas listeners.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: We really do.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like two-thirds of our audience.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: We have three people from Texas. For a long time,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: it was like two-thirds Texas. I don't understand why. But
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: they're from Austin, which is a cool.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Because we love Texas. They teach creationism in the schools
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: in Texas. Just a brand full circle here.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: That's a true story, isn't it?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, it is.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: We love you, Texas. Anyway, so is Angelica knocking out kids?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: It's probably a little late now, but... Yeah, I don't
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: think so.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: When you have a relationship with Jack Nicholson for that long,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: I think you just decide that maybe Offspring.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Isn't the best idea. Speaking of which, she's got a daughter.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: She's a golfer.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: She's well.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: She's in a lot of stuff.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: Was Rebecca Broussard, did they?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Is that Rebecca Broussard's kid? Add that one to the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: list because it was one of the first ones that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: came up. Lorraine Nicholson. She is in several movies now.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: She's not the lead yet, but she's a Nicholson, so
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: they'll probably start giving her some. So I thought that was...
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: How old is she? 23. She's in that Soul Surfer movie,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: but she's not the girl. She's like her friend, I guess.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: She's one of the leads, but she's not, like, the girl.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: So she's paying her dues. There you go. Well, I mean,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: she paid her dues. Her dad's Jack Nicholson.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: Who we might actually want for Hades to infest some years.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Hey, I like the guy, but, I mean, it's got
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: to be a rough childhood, right? Your dad's Jack Nicholson?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: I just thought of something. Tatum O'Neil and Ryan O'Neil
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: in Paper Moon. Being in the same movie.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: That's so true. And I read... I didn't see it
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: until maybe two years ago, and I love... The Last
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: Picture Show is one of my favorite movies, and I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: saw that, Paper Moon, and I read about how the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: dynamic with them, too, and that's something that is an
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: extra element to this, is how their relationship, actually. Because
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: she was the youngest person to win an award, and
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 8: he was really awful to her.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Just one of the most tragic Hollywood relationships ever. Paternal relationships, yeah.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: And that movie is fantastic. And their relationship in the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 8: movie is... Yeah, anyway, I just thought of that.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: Was that story about him hitting on her ever validated?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: Do you guys remember that?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: I read something that.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Like in a... Like spanking her? Or like.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: At an event and didn't know who she was and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: hit on her. Like, they had become... Awkward.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: And she was like, um, it's me, Tatum, you asshole.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: Well, she was married to John McEnroe and all, like,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: had a messed up thing.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, I can't remember. I didn't know she had
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: a series of relationships in her life.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: And I almost want to say that was at Farrah
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: Fawcett's funeral, too, but I could be conflating that with
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: the Polanski story.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: Oh, Ryan.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: This is dangerously close to People Magazine territory here. All right, so,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Cruz Kidman.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: Oh, God, Connor.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: Oh, Connor.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Everyone's new favorite Smith. Is he moving into the Jaden territory?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Not that the remake of Red Dawn... It wasn't a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: wet blanket to begin with. But he was the wet
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: blanket on the wet blanket.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: I love that you actually watch these movies.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: And can weigh in. Oh, I do. I do.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: And tell us what we all suspected.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: But we're afraid to confirm. I am not a student
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: of film history. I like what I like and I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: watch what I watch. And the first time that I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: see a film, I do it. purely for the joy
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: of watching a film. And then I go back and
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: ruin the experience for myself by dissecting it. But the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: first time I watched a film, but Red Dawn was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: one of those films where, you know, as bad as
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: it was in the 80s, I loved it. I loved
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: everything about it.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: You have to love it, kind of.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Wolverines! Who doesn't love that? And just the remake of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: that was like a Hitler painting.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: I hear he was pretty good.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Red Dawn. i mean it i almost give it credit
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: for more like what it did at the time it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: was tapping into a mentality that only existed at that
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: time and play and watching it now like if you're
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: a kid now watching that movie you don't Get it.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: But like America was in such a weird point at
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: that in history that like that movie just sort of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: nails it in a way, in a really cheesy way.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: But like you kind of, I don't know. It's one
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: of those like we need to preserve that movie in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: the Smithsonian because it captures a point in America that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if any other movie really does.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: When I met my wife in 97 and so we're
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: at that getting to know you phase, you know, and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: so I said, you've got to see this movie. And
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it in 15 years or whatever. I'm like,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: you've got to see this movie. It was the greatest
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: movie ever. And I turned it on. And God bless her,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: she watched it. She didn't say a word through the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: entire thing. And afterwards she looked at me and said,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: you had a very bad childhood, didn't you?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: And then you wept for an hour.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: And then I wept. I was in the sucking my
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: thumb position.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: Well, there is something that differentiates why the first one
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: was so good as Harry Dean Stanton.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I figured we were going to go over there.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: It really all comes back to that.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: The thread that goes through all of fine films.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: And the fence.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Which is why I love Molly Ringwald.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: That's all you need.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Because she was in Pretty in Pink with Harry Dean Stanley.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: Which was on TV yesterday. I watched it. That's right.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: He's not in it enough.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: And John Cryer, too much. Don't worry, he's cashing his
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: paychecks now. It all came full circle. Nobody cared about
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: him that much in the 80s, but I think about
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: how much he makes off that damn sitcom now.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: John Cryer's hiding out? He didn't like that one?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: See, that's the Morgan Stewart coming home. These are fine
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: films that he made, but didn't really cash the big
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: paychecks back in the day.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: What about Bruce and Laura Dern?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: And Diane Ladd. Don't forget Diane Ladd.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: Mom's famous, too.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I don't like the way Laura Dern cries.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It's sad that we brought that up
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: on this show before.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: The Laura Dern cry face. The Laura Dern cry face.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, it's like Jack Nicholson's Joker. That's who
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: she looks like when she cries.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: It's horrifying.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: That downturn.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think it fits just fine in Blue Velvet
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: because it's disturbing. So, I mean, it fits really well
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: with Lynch kind of stuff. But trying to work it
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: in other movies, I don't know.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 8: Well, Wild at Heart. Oh, yeah, because what's his name?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Harry Dean Stanton?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: Nick Coppola?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: That movie, I felt nauseous after that film.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Wild at Heart?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: I really did. I felt sick. Because anything, the vomit
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 8: scene with her, and you didn't even see her puke,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: but do you know the movie very well?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the movie.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: It's been several years.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: But I just can't ever watch it again.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: It's been several years since I've seen it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: But yeah, that scene with her and Willem Dafoe.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: See, that should make you sick.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: When he was up in her hair.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Willem Dafoe.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: That was a factor, yeah.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: He's creepy. Yeah, but Willem Dafoe is another one which,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: if he had a child in the industry, I'd probably watch.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Most definitely.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Without judgment.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Well, there's one that I'm rooting for. I mean, to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: get to one that I was like, again, I don't
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: think it's broken through yet, but my beloved Leah Thompson
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: has a daughter who is now an actress and is
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: just kind of now coming through. She was on like
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: a Disney show and like now she's... Stop.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Stop right there.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Even better. She's going to be on Vampire Academy.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: Too bad she couldn't have been in Red Dawn.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Don't you say bad things about Zoe.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: Leah Thompson was in the first one, right?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Leah Thompson was in the first one. Who was the other?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: Jennifer Grey.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Grey.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Yes. with original movies.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: And we could do a, you could do an episode
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: on reconstructive surgery running careers.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Or making them.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: Or ruining them and then making them.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: What happened with that? Or what's an example of that?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: I think there's only one example of that and that's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: Mickey Rourke.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh yeah, right.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: Yes. They're like, oh no, this face cannot.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Be in movies.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: Oh wait, this face can be in a very specific
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 7: kind of movie.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we'll keep making that movie.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: Which was funny because remember that movie Johnny Handsome that
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: he did?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: I didn't see that.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: It's actually worth seeing. It's really interesting. No, it's Morgan
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: Freeman and who's the woman in it?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: It was one of those cable standards. They played that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: thing to death back in the day.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: Because it's all about his he had a reconstructive surgery.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: It was like this experimental thing and it made him
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: Mickey Rourke.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: It made him beautiful.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: But he was trying to get out of crime and
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 8: it was like a new life but then he got back.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: But it's And it's interesting because it's kind of a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: little foreshadowing. Because I think after, I think around that
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 8: time he was starting to get into boxing.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: Because Rumble was, what was Rumblefish?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: That was 85? Rumblefish was 83 years. A couple of classic.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: It might have been 85.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because Outsiders I think was 83.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: And then Johnny Handsome was late 80s. But then, yeah,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: so anyway, I just thought of that.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: I feel like Mike's having an important thought.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm following the chain. Estevez with Swayze with, and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: then you've got the Sheens. Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say. That was on
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: my list, too. The Sheen-Estevez clan, as it were. Which
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: I will say is the only funny thing, the only
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: somewhat clever thing in the most recent Machete film, and yes,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I watched the most recent Machete film, is the fact
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: that they cast Charlie Sheen as the President of the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: United States. That was funny casting, I'm sorry. Like, that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: was pretty damn funny. That's kind of the best joke
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: in the movie.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: I was just thinking, I can't believe I didn't see
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: that film, and then I remembered, oh yeah, I did.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: And then I completely forgot it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like that.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: It was just gone.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the machete in space.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: I feel that... And there's the other... There's Charlie and Emilio,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: and then there's... Who's the third one?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: Renee.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. It's Estevez. It's another Estevez. It's... I can't
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: remember his name.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: There's a Renee Estevez and then Ramon.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: Ramon.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Ramon.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Now, who's Renee?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: What is Renee?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Renee is the daughter. I'm trying to think. She's younger
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: than both of them, I think. And she's been in
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: a couple of things. I've seen her. We'll leave it
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: at that.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: But, again, it was just one of those, oh, there's
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: another Estevez.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: But it's the mother that's, Charlie's mother is different though, right?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 8: Or do they all have the same mother? I thought
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: they were the same. And he just chose to use
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: the name.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: He was the asshole.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be Esther. That freaking Emilio gets
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: on my nerve. Oh wait, we keep making movies together.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: Are you showing, are they going to show Repo Man?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: We've shown it twice now.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: Because I've never seen it and I was thinking that
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 8: would be a great way to see it for the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: first time.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: I would love to show it. I actually, I can't
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: see this on.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: The air.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, anyway. Oh, now I'm having a sad moment. Wait,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: hold on.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Moving on.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: Emilio Estevez. Yeah, I would love to show it again.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: I would love Emilio Estevez to come. He's like a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: horse industry kind of person.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 8: Oh, really?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: I feel like he might be accessible.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Seems like I'm not doing much these days. But he doesn't...
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: He's directing. Last year or so, they did a huge
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club reunion, and everybody was there except Emilio.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: And it was like in L.A.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like they had them all on stage.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: They were all.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Judd Nelson is telling stories. Like, he bothered to show up,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: but Emilio wouldn't come? I was like, what? The Ally
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Sheedy would stop being crazy for a few minutes.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Was Michael Hall there? Was Anthony Michael Hall there? Yeah.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Everybody in the cast was there, except Emilio.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Which, point of no return, by the way. His big
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: breakaway movie. If anybody's ever seen that.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Not Johnny B. Goode?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: No, this was point of no return.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 8: Not the remake of La Femme Nikita.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: That is blasphemy. I can't even watch that movie. Luc
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Besson is a god.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: Please. I almost threw it out. Have you seen his
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: recent fantasy movie? I actually almost started it, but I
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: wanted to wait. It's a French where this girl finds
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: a pterodactyl. It sort of looks like a Terry Gilliam
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 8: type movie.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Creationism.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: We're back on Creationism.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: This is so exciting. He's remaking Pre-Hysteria?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: I'll look it up. But it's a Lucas Sun movie.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: He comes out with just... He's so under the radar.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: You don't even know that.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: His movies are coming out. The sad thing is he's
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: doing Taken 3.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: So he goes from things like The Big Blue and
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: then Le Femme Nikita, which is just... I saw that
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: movie in the theaters probably 20 times. I went back
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: again and again and again. I absolutely love that film.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And then he goes off and he does the professional
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: and then he goes off and does something.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Fifth Element. I like the Fifth Element. I like the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Fifth Element.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I think the Fifth Element is a fun movie. It's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: a fun movie. Chris Tucker. Anytime you can stick Chris
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Tucker in a film.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to watch it.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to watch it.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: They went 15 years and didn't, so I mean. He's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: just now coming back.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: He's coming back, damn it.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: He's in Lexington right now, I think, as we speak.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Is he really?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, in the comedy off-Broadway.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's fantastic. I love watching that guy.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: He's sort of redeemed himself. Chris Tucker does really good.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I was amazed at how normal he could be and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: yet still kind of deliver a good performance.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Chris tucker does what i think a good actor is
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: supposed to do which is make you forget what you're
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: doing you know i watch that guy and i just
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: am so mesmerized you know he just starts going on
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: and on and it's like you were just a fascinating
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: guy i would love to talk to you over dinner
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: something he is something else Well.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: The one, it's the Extraordinary Adventures of, it's like 2010,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: Adele something.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't know anything about that.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: It started, and it looks really cool.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: It's like most of his recent movies. What is he
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: doing now?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: And most of his movies.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: He's doing Taken 3.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: Lucy is a movie that's coming out.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: Which looks great.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: Is that, what's her name?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: That's the girl with your hands down.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the trailer for it yesterday. I think
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: she's like Drew Barrymore.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 8: She's almost, they're both like inert people. Maybe that's what
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: works to her benefit. I've come full.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Circle on her. She's a non-person. I've come totally around.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: I went in with no expectations early on, especially as
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: she started becoming the hot chick that they just stuck
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: in any movie. These last five or six years, she
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: keeps turning in more solid performances. Sometimes in movies that
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't even expect her to have a good role.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think she's turning into a legit actress.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: We're going to see this Oscar nominations thrown at her.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just Name recognition at this point, I don't know.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: But I think she's turning in good work.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 8: Well, the first thing I saw her in was Ghost World.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: And she was great.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: She was great.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was fantastic.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: And what happened to Thor Birch?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Thor Birch, I actually... I love her. There was a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: film that I was working on not too long ago
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: where we contacted Thor's... management oh cool yeah so she
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: she ended up she was attached to another project.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: And couldn't do it but i haven't heard anything.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah she's she's doing i mean she's doing what so
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: many actors in hollywood do which is they just take
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: work to work they've got to keep their sag car
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: they've got to keep their insurance so she's doing she's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: doing as much as she can um you know and
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: unfortunately the the project that we threw at her just
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: kind of overlapped with something else and so Didn't work out. But, yeah,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: she's game and was really friendly and willing to look
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: at the script and great agent. I mean, fantastic agent.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: The guy was, you know, so easy to deal with. So, yeah.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Dora Birch.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Dora Birch.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: We're on our set.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: Fun.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: Cool.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fan. I'm a fan.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: American Beauty.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: You all like Dora Birch?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 8: I think I've only seen her in that and Ghost World.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 8: I don't know what else.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: She's done a lot of good stuff.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: She was in Present Danger when she was a kid. Oh,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Boy, I pulled that out.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: It's impressive.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I do that all the time.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: And it frightens people. Wasn't he in that Dungeons and
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Dragons movie, too? Yeah. I think so. That was like
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: their big name.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: That was their big name. That was their big name.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: That was right after American Beauty.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's like having Michael Madsen as your big name.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: And Michael Madsen as the beaver.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Alright.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: How about the Paltros with a very popular actress these days. Man,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: she needs to stop talking to the press. She really does.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: She just digs the hole deeper every time.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Well, she, as a Hollywood mother, has it a little
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: harder than most working mothers. Oh, that's I was like, Gwyneth, Gwyneth, really?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Just go back to uncoupling or whatever it is you're
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: doing right now because just stop talking to people. You're
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: making it worse.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: Oh, that's right. Yeah, she's uncoupling with her.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: She's uncoupling.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 8: Her other hardworking, famous person, husband thing. Well, didn't they
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 8: name their kid Apple?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an Apple. So let's go into this a
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: little deeper. Let's get. I haven't read these reports because
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I generally avoid anything that has to do with Gwyneth.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: paltrow so i'd like to learn more about this please go.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: On um details i mean that was the one that
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: most recently got her in trouble as she was just
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: making some sort of comment on how it's hard when
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: you know you have to go off and be gone
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks from your children for once
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: a year you know most working mothers in america were
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: kind of outraged by that like every day of our
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: lives we do this and we don't make multi-millions of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: dollars for the job that we're doing so yeah She
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: kind of probably shouldn't have said that. And that was
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: after the end.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Of the couple. This is in the same category as
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore's Heart-Shaped Book.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 8: I think they should say these things.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Well, she did just do a book, didn't she?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Some sort of home... Or she's definitely got her website
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: that she wants to be Martha Stewart.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Good, let's send her to jail.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: Appeal to, like, working moms.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: That could be a range, if you have the connection.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Gwyneth, you're in.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Hollywood jail.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Cell C.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 9: Sorry.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Nanny can't come.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, we're going to have to contend
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: with those children. I mean, we just have to deal
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 7: with the inevitability.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Something is going to be starring Apple, is what you're saying.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that Apple Martin will be.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, if we're working backwards, what do we think about Blythe?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Is she going downhill then? Blythe was actually a good actress,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: and now Gwyneth is not holding up her own.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Blythe is a working actress and that's and always.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: Kind of and working with osteoporosis bless her heart yeah
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: yeah there you go based on those commercials so she's.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: I work with allergies if that means anything to anybody
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I have horrible seasonal allergies but you don't see me
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: on a commercial good town no I think Blythe I
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: think Blythe is just she's just a working actress who
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: fills the role and it's like You know her name,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I think, because of Gwyneth.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: These days, well, that's what I was going to say.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: That's one of those examples of, like, whether or not
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: you think talent-wise, definitely popularity and just money-wise, she became
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: a much bigger star than her mother ever was.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: So then we can go to Angelina Jolie.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Much bigger star these days because John turns in some
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: scary performances now.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 8: He was great in Anaconda.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see? That's his best work. Then a little down,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Midnight Cowboy, but mostly Anaconda.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: I just realized something. I'm sorry, I'm totally changing the subject.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: I'm actually going back two steps. I was thinking about
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: Gwyneth Paltrow and the phenomenon of Gwyneth Paltrow, and I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: was thinking about Drew Barrymore and the phenomenon of Drew Barrymore,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: because it's not entirely dissimilar. They come from working parents
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: who were in the industry but who didn't experience wild success.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: necessarily in terms of fame um and then i realized
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: what the common thread is steven spielberg was both of
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: their godfathers that's the trick really yeah.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah so spielberg is to blame.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah pretty much way to go steven yeah he just
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: cast them both as kids.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 8: What did what did gwyneth paltrow do young.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 7: She did hook started it all oh yeah.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 8: That was like 90. When was that?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Back there.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: 93?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 8: Was it 93? How old is she?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: She's like 40 now, right?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Ancient.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: She's old enough to know better.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: Born in 74, so she was a teenager.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 8: Old enough to know better.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: But yeah, so I guess the moral of the story
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: is if you want your kid to be successful in Hollywood,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: you just make Steven Spielberg the godfather, which I don't
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: think is a title you can turn down.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: I'll see what I can do.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What, you mean Steven can't turn down B & S?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: I don't think you can, can you? I mean, you
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: just sort of appoint somebody, don't you? I don't know
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: how it works. I don't have kids.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: I would think they'd have to agree.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I'll report back to you.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can do it at gunpoint
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: or anything.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 8: Did you hear how, was it C. Thomas Howells, is
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: that his name?
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 8: He was an EET, and that's how he got, he
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: started his career. He was a stunt kid.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Was he really?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: That's how he got into the movie. He was a
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: stunt kid for the bikes, for the bike scene. And
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: then he liked his presence, apparently, so he's like, why
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 8: don't you just be in the movie?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: He was on the show.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: And that's how he told us that.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's where I heard it.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: Probably.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 8: So it all comes back around.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? His dad was a stuntman, and he
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: started learning from him, and he was the only kid
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: who could ride a bike and do the stunts. The
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: other kids were all actors, so that's how he ended
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: up being one of the kids on the bike, is
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: because he could do the jumps or whatever they had
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: to do over stuff, because he knew how to do them.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 8: And he was probably, what, 15 or 16 then?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Something like that, yeah. He was pretty young.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 8: What all, he did the hitcher, and then.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: He's done quite a bit.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: He's an outsider.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: Soul man.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. We don't talk about that. The amazing Spider-Man.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: We'll go with something more recent. He has a small
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: part in the newer first one.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 8: I haven't seen that.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: I don't love it. What's that?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't love it. I don't love that guy.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 8: Is Sam Raimi done then?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: He's no Spidey. He's been done.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I love Ponyboy.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: No, not Ponyboy. I like him. I was talking about
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: the new Spider-Man.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like Andrew Garfield. He seems like a jerk.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: I kind of like him. You like breaking small, sick
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: children's hearts, but I mean.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: You heard the Oscars story, right?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Do tell.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and I want to hear this.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: The little kid who's the little kid Batman on YouTube
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: that like.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: Oh, I love that.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that kid. They were supposed to bring him out
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: at the Oscars and he was going to present with
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: the new Spider-Man and they were going to have some
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: sort of superhero banter. And it got to the point, like,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: the night of, the kid showed up, and Andrew Garfield
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: decided he didn't like the text that they'd given him,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: and he said, I'm.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: Not doing it.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: And he screwed over the Bat Kid, and Bat Kid
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: didn't get to do anything.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: Oh, that's awful.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: They brought on some other people at the last minute
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: to fill the hole in the show. Way to go,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Andrew Garfield.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 7: Okay, I clearly didn't know that story.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: What a jerk. I mean, I didn't like his performance anyway,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: but after that, I'm like, okay. He didn't like the text.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Whatever stupid banter they'd written for him, he didn't approve
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: of it, and so he totally pulled out of the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: entire appearance.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Is what they were reporting. And I'm like, that's kind
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: of a dick move. Like even just to like screw
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: them over in the structure of the show. That's uncool.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Let alone the small child that you're.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: So when, when you're, when you work in, in this
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: industry or, or any kind of industry where you put
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: yourself out there, your image is, you know, it's a commodity.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: It's what you're, it's what you're selling. It's what you're selling.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: So you always kind of have to temper what you say.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: If you're smart. If you're smart.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: So I can definitely see the need to edit text,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: but you've got to wonder which is worse, saying what
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: he's been given or screwing over the crippled kid.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: And, like, it was on the Oscars. All of the
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: banter is dumb. It's not like they specifically gave you
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: something stupid. It's usually pretty bad.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: I don't think you wrote it.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: Did you see the pizza bit? Like, it went on
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: all night. It wasn't funny. Like, they always write stupid stuff. Like,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: just go along with it. That's why you're there. It's
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: the Oscars. That's what it does.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Which I would love to see an Oscar show that
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: lasts 46 minutes. Just here, here, here. Take these and
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: get out of here. Yeah, yeah. All right. Best supporting actress.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Best cinematography.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: It would be nice to kind of drill it down.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: To just meat and potatoes.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: They should be long.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I could watch the 10-hour Oscars. Honestly, I know
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 7: you're kidding, but I really could. I think it's so
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: much fun.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: I'm sad when it's over.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: I think they just do it stupid. Because again, they
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: put so many stupid bits in there, but they won't
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: show us the Lifetime Achievement Awards. That part pisses me
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: off every year now. I'm just like, here's these awesome
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: people that have been working their entire lives to get
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: this award. Here's a shot of them from two weeks
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: ago when we did this. And now another stupid, wacky
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: skit that we put together.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: I think there's way too much fluff in it.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not this year. That was every year.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: But they do that every year now. That's not important.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, but you're an award show. That is what
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: you're here to do.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: They just go about it wrong in a lot of ways.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: But I still like it in a sick way.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: I love how the Golden Globes are awesome because they're
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: still doing that. And I kind of hadn't noticed that
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: the Oscars don't do that anymore, the Lifetime Achievements. But
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: I guess is that why the Golden Globes are finding
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: crazier and crazier people to put on stage for the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: Lifetime Achievements? Because it's getting really awesome.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe so.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: And they're all drunk. Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: Like, let's see, we had Jodie Foster last time. She
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: was crazy. Who can we get that's even crazier?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: Harry Dean Stanley. They should give him an award.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: They should give him an award. I agree.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: They should.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: He's never even been to the Oscars.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: He doesn't leave the house much.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the whole reason these award shows exist is... it's
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: all publicity. It's all getting your name out there. And
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: that's what their job is. When they're not acting, in
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: between action and cut, their job is to promote their image.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: That's what they have to do.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: To maintain their image.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: To maintain their image. Promote and maintain. Promote and maintain.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: That's their whole life. Gosh, what an awful, awful existence.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: And to be a mother on top of that, just
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: has to be rough.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: That's gotta be so hard.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 10: Man.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be hard.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: If only she had like, A job and a part-time.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Job on top of that.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 8: Which summer home do you go to? There isn't a
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 8: coin with enough sides to flip. It's like, okay, I'm
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 8: going to go.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: It's like you're playing D & D with a 20-sided die.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 8: Which one do I go to?
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Go to 17. Do you remember where 17 is?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Is that the castle? I don't remember. We do need
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: to number them.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 8: That's the space station.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: How about the Carradines? That's quite a clan. No good feelings.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: So next.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Not even John? Come on.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: No, you can't.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: When I think of Carradine, I think of picking up
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: a hot pot of oil with my forearms. That's what
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: I think of when I think of Carradine. It's forever
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: emblazoned in my mind. I'll never get rid of that.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: I have to say, Robert Carradine was very nice to us.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: He stopped by of his own free will at some
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: point and, like, did a, just randomly came over to
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: our table and said, hey, guys, what are you doing? And, like,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: did a promo for us and then wandered off.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Speaking of promos, April 29th on PBS Frontline, Prison State.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 7: 13th through 15th, Harry Dean's Dance Fest, Lexington, Kentucky.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: You guys are doing the promos now.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: And please to meet me out on iTunes exclusive.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Neither pitched River Meltdown, which is what he was doing.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: So he's a little cooler, just saying.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: As heard on Movie Meltdown.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: All right. At least as long as we get that
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 8: This is random, but I always think Scott Glenn is
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 8: a Carradine brother. I don't know why.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Because he kind of looks like him? Yeah.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 8: Whenever I think of the Carradines, I always think of him.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, he was in some really great movies,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 8: but he's not a Carradine.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: I can't get over his veins.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 8: Scott Glenn.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Guy's got some veins, man. Dude has some major vascular problems.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, what about the hidden Carradine, Martha Plimpton?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 8: She's a Carradine?
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think I realized that until recently.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 9: Oh, wow.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Somebody was just telling me that, and it's on the
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: list here. She's fantastic.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: It makes sense now.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Because she also was connected to Steven Spielberg as a child.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: In the Goonies.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: In the Goonies. It's all about Spielberg.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: Apparently.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: That's how you get that sweet sitcom deal she's got now.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: In Parenthood, could you ever picture her with, what's his name? Ted.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Or Bill.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: Ted.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Keanu Reeves.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Our favorite actor, Keanu Reeves. Again, to me, that's one
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: of those roles that I'm like, see, every once in
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: a while, it's the perfect casting. He is perfect in Parenthood.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: He is perfect in Parenthood.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: He is exactly what you needed in that role.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: But he is that character in Parenthood in every single
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: movie he's ever done.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: But sometimes it works. Because River's Edge is a good movie.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: And that worked.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Again, he's the same dumb kid.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: But it worked. It's knowing how to play... dumb Keanu Reeves.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 8: My own private Idaho.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: I think he's just playing himself.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: God bless him.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: But occasionally, like, I don't know, every once in a while.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: I was amazed when The Gift, he plays a drunken
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: redneck really good, which makes me think maybe there's something
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: That's Sam Raimi, isn't it? Yeah. I actually might see
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 8: that now.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 8: I saw that he was in that, but that's what
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 8: kept me from watching it.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: It's so not Ted. It is not the normal performance
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: you get out of him.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 8: And then there was the shake, much ado about nothing, right?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: I heard he was actually, I haven't seen it yet,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 8: but I've, I was surprised, like, okay, Shakespeare and Counter,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: that's where I really, that's quite a leap, but.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: All right, we mentioned the Brolins.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: How about the Hanks, the Hanks family?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: The Hanks, yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Colin Hanks. See, that was one I was going with
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: my example. They're doing it well. Colin Hanks is a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: good actor.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: But I feel like that's the example of, I don't
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: know if you will ever get out of your dad's shadow. Like,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: he's a good actor, but. Especially since Tom's still kind
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: of knocking them out and getting Oscar caliber movies. So
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like I don't know that Colin
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: will ever be seen as Colin. He will always be, oh,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: there's Tom Hanks' son for his entire career.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: I never look at him that way.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't either.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: Ever. Band of Brothers, totally held his own.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Two of you. Everyone else at home, think about how
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: you feel about him.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Orange County, totally held his own.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: He's pretty fun in Orange County. Not bad on Dexter.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: That was not a great season, but he was good.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: No, not a great season, but yeah, still very good. Yeah,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: he does. Now, I'd like to see the Rhea Perlman,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Danny DeVito.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: The super baby that will be.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: That's right. I'd like to see that dynasty.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 8: Didn't they just get divorced?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Hopefully not before producing Offspring.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 8: I think they did. I think they're actually just now.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: They did. But I think her baby-making years are well
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: behind her.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: Nuh-uh.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Medical science.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 8: There's still hope for me and Rhea Perlman, right?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 7: I don't think, have we verified if they have or
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: have not had children?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 8: I thought they did.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: I think they did, and their child is Ron Perlman.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: It's the craziest thing. I don't know how that happened.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: It would be Hellboy. It's like Mark.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: And Mindy aging back.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: But he did, you know, he didn't want to go
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: with Dad's, you know, name, so he tried to pull
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: his sheen, you know.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Now, he actually, he did not go into acting. He
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: went into, he's a gang leader now.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 9: Alrighty.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's fictional?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: No, that's a documentary.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Documentary.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: The Baldwins. The beloved Baldwin clan. Too easy.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: There's the Wahlbergs, too.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Alec came back around. People like him again, even though
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: he's a dick.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: I think we dislike him again now, actually. We just
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: kind of like him. I think we don't like him anymore.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Did you see Seduced and Abandoned?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: What is that?
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Seduced and Abandoned, James Tobeck and Alec Baldwin. It's a documentary.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: I'm never very good at figuring out how much they're
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: playing to the camera and how much is real. But
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: they go, they visit con and they are trying to
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: raise um funds to produce a feature okay and so
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: it's about how much trouble they have raising money they
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: can't raise the money and god what are they trying
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: to remake um i can't remember the it was a
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: it was a brando film it was uh streetcars No.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 7: It's already a bad idea.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Last Tango in Paris.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: They're trying to remake Last Tango in Paris.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: And they can't find the funding.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: I am shocked by that scenario. So Alec Baldwin playing
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: that role.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: And so they're talking.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 7: Well, that gives me hope in Hollywood, honestly.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: Well, they're talking to all these folks and these just rich,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: beyond belief rich people that they're talking to. And one
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: of them just comes out on camera and says, Alec Baldwin.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: He's a TV actor. It'll never work.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: Bam. But I really identified with these guys because if
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: you've ever tried to raise money for a film, I
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: have these exact same conversations with people with infinitely more
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: money than I'll ever have. And I have these exact
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: same conversations, just about smaller sums. But the same exact
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: thing goes on.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: I felt so bad.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Watching these guys trying to raise money. It's like, wow,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I know how you feel. I wish I could... be
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: at con feeling that way but i know how you
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: feel um so that if i didn't like alec baldwin
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: before i definitely like him now interesting well he showed
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: a real human side and he has that.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 8: Um it's uh you can get it as a podcast
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: i think it's is it strictly a podcast or do
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 8: they air it on the radio but he has these
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: just discussions and he has a topic and i heard
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 8: they're really great like he's a great interviewer and it's
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: just i.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Have heard that um yeah uh I can't remember the
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: name of it either, but yeah.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: It's like Fresh Air, but it's like something else.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 8: But I've heard a few little things.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: Here and there.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: He's one of those guys where I feel like he's
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: not afraid to put himself out there, whether he's drunk
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: on an answering machine or whether he's just doing an interview.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not afraid to tackle things. I don't
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: see one Paltrell ever doing a radio interview where she's
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: the host. Well, she's a busy mom, too.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: She is. gotta make dinner okay she's gotta set up
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: somebody she's yeah.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 8: I gotta go get diapers i know.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Could you have him shipped to number 17 when.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: You fly in on your jet honey could you pick
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: up some.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: So however he's not afraid to tackle new things and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: i think that's one of the things that's endearing about
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: him is he'll just.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: And he can make fun of himself, too.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: That's become his thing now, really. It has sort of
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: become his new, like, because he didn't have that. Like,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: you look at him in, like, the 80s and into
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: the 90s, he was still trying to be a legit actor.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: And then, like, he got this weird sort of self-aware
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: sense of humor and became this sort of, again, and
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: 30 Rock tapped into it, like, this is what you
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: do best now. So it's like, that now has become
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: his persona, like, when you see him in commercials, you
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: see him on award shows, like, That's just his thing now.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: It's become something that works and he knows it. And
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. To me, that's the whole new wave
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: of his career. He owes to realizing that and finding
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: that person inside him that's probably always been there.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 8: It's kind of like a collective banter that he knows
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 8: everyone is part of, even though he doesn't have a direct...
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 8: You know what I mean? I don't know if that
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 8: makes sense.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: I just....
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 8: Like, it's a joke that everybody's kind of privy to.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 8: Now it's the stick.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Now it's, yeah, a shorthand with his fans. But, I mean,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: it's easy to say good things about him. What about
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: the rest of that bunch?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 7: Have Billy Baldwin and China Phillips had kids? Because that
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 7: would be a whole other dynasty.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 11: Oh, God.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: The Phillips family.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 8: There's two other brothers, right?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: Daniel used to be a pretty good actor.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, Stephen, yeah.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Daniel was on Homicide for a long time. And he's
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: really good on Homicide.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 8: Which one was Unusual Suspects?
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Steven.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 8: Oh, really? I didn't know he went that route. He
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 8: was great in that.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: He was a fantastic actor. And then he found God
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: and it fucked everything up.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: Way to go, God.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: Good career. I think he's like on the Willie Ames track.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, really?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: There's a superhero that Willie Ames is. Yeah, Bible Man.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: And what's his name? Kirk Cameron.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like that. I think that's his own animal. At
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: the mention of Kirk Cameron.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 8: I was thinking the wall birds and that's an interesting
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: going from music to end of film which actually like
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 8: Queen Latifah that's not an uncommon thing I.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Was going to say I was going to ask at
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: the beginning do we count within the same generation or
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: do we have to have a parent going to the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: kid or are we just doing.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Siblings yeah I mean they feed off of each other
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: it's possible to ride your brother or sister's coattails.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 7: Now you're just talking to the bald ones I mostly
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 7: just want to talk about how crazy Randy Quaid is.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's true.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 8: Who was in Last Picture Show? I mean, anyway, that's
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 8: just neither here nor there.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: It's no Independence Day, but all right.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 8: That might have, well, whatever. Every time I hear Randy.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Quaid's name, I piss myself and forget my name for
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: about a half an hour.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 8: What was the deal there?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, I shouldn't have started the microwave, sorry. that's making
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: popcorn is that not cool oh and thank you geek
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: points all right that's all i get that's.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 9: All i.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: Get but have you seen the sequel i know it
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: exists and i haven't made myself watch it yet there's
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: a spin-off christmas on an island somewhere that's just about
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: eddie In the family.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: I will buy Drew Barrymore's heart book before I will
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: watch that.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Well, now we definitely have to watch it for an episode.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 8: They come in a combo pack now. They're big lots,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 8: so it's crazy and crazy.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: For all the irrelevance.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow's babysitting book. Her parenting handbook.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: Get a nanny.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: It's a pamphlet, really, more than a book.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 8: It's a fortune in a fortune cookie. Just get a
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 8: fucking nanny. And this is how you say get a
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 8: nanny in Chinese.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: On the back it says, Whatever you do, don't talk
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: to the press. So, we should probably start wrapping this
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: thing up. Is there anyone we've forgotten that you just
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: have to get to? Because there's plenty we've forgotten.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 8: What are some? Can you just list off?
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: We don't have to talk about it. We haven't even
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: done the Douglases.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 9: Oh, jeez.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Do we have bad things to say about Michael like
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: most people do?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: I don't. I used to like Michael. The Child of Spartacus?
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 13: Are you kidding?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: I think Fred had some negative things to say about Michael,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: and then he couldn't be here this week. So I
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: kind of wanted to hear about what horrible things he
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: had to say about Michael Douglas.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, how about the Buseys? There's a legacy.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: That is. That is.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: And they were in a movie together with Harry Dean Stanton.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 8: Which one?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: Straight Time, which is a great film. And Gary Besey's
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: great in it. I would love to have him as
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 7: a guest. Why haven't I called.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Gary Besey yet? Is this pre-motorcycle accident?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: We've run into Jake quite a few times. Have you?
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: He's actually very nice.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: Straight Time. He's in the movie as like a, I
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: don't know, maybe an eight-year-old kid.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 8: I don't know how old kids are.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Jake is, I mean, my brief run-in with him was
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: through email, but yeah, very nice.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: He was very nice.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Very receptive.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 8: How old is he now? What's his age range?
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 7: He must be, what, 44?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: Probably getting there.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 8: I know I've seen him in something, I just can't wait.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Starship Troopers.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 8: I haven't seen that.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: Starship Troopers.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: You should see Starship Troopers.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know. That's, uh.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: And what, um... Doogie Howser's in that, too, right?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Casper Vandy.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Well, forget about that one.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 8: Who directed that again?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: That was, uh.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: Bob Hevin.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Bob Hevin.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Of showgirl fame! Yeah, right.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 9: Woo!
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: He's an auteur. All right, anybody else? Let's see here.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: The Reynolds Fishers, if we're going somewhat old school there. Oh, interesting.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: Eddie had two famous offspring. The other whose name has
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: escaped me completely.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: The one on TV?
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the red-headed TV one. And she... Jolie Fisher. Jolie Fisher,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: and she had a famous mom. Was her mom Connie Stevens?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 7: Was that her mom? Eddie Fisher. Jeez Louise.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: He could not control himself.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 7: He really couldn't. He loved a famous lady.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: That he did.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: The girl in Almost Famous.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Kate Hudson.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 8: Who's her mom again?
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Goldie Hawn.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 7: And then she has famous brother Oliver Hudson.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Another sitcom actor. Is he?
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: How about Liza Minnelli?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: How about no?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: No? How about can we reject her starting?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: I love a pretty honest Ethel Merman.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 7: Just from Arrested Development, you have. Yes.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to give her credit. She's gotten to
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: a point where she knows it's okay to make fun
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: of herself.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: She's a female Alec Baldwin. She's a female Alec Baldwin, absolutely. No,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: she's fantastic. I mean, that whole shtick with Vertigo, gold.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 8: I like when that's in Arrested Development, right? When what's her,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: the son... when he was talking about the one she
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 8: was dating for a while.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, what's his name? He's on Veep now.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 8: And they had that, like, codependent relationship, and he said, well,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 8: she's nauseous. We're calling it our nausea.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Oh no she's she um i i don't want to
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: listen to her sing but she i love watching her
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: because she's just so i love watching her now the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: crazy version well but you know still in in uh
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: in um with dudley moore and arthur i mean she
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: was I thought she was good in that. Did she
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: have kids?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 7: I think she's pretty fantastic.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 8: Did she have kids?
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 7: She's at the generation where your gay husband doesn't make
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: babies with you.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 8: Who was her husband? I'm trying to.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: Well, Vincent Pennelly was her dad, and he was gay,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: but he had her. And then she was married to...
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 7: What's his name? I can see his face. Yeah.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to block all of them out.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 11: Gay, yeah.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Very much so.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: So there's a number of different family legacies happening.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 8: In that scenario.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: The Curtis's.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: Tony.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: Jamie Lee. Janet.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: That's a good one. And if we're going to stick
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 7: with Hitchcock, ladies, then Tippi Hedren and Melanie Griffith.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: Who now has Dakota. Is that her name? She was
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 7: in Miss Golden Globe.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: She's her child with Don Johnson.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Stop naming your children after states.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: Plus there's already a Dakota.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Hey, my little West Virginia resents that.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I could have just named that, by the way.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 7: I hope that's actually real.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, how about the moguls?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: I bet you Florida from Good Times is really angry.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: The moguls of the Spelling Clan.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 9: Oh, God.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 7: They're making babies, too, aren't they?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of them. She's got like six, doesn't she?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 8: Tori Spelling has six babies.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: She has. She's got a lot of babies.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Man, back up the Brinks truck.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 7: I don't know if there's... Yeah.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: That's somebody I... Emma's not.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: doing too bad.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: My wife, who I love dearly, if I did not
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: have her, I could have married Tori Spelling.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily too late.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: I could have married her. It's like, that's one person where,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: you know, it couldn't have been too bad.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 7: You could have had your own wrapping paper room.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: You don't have one of those?
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 7: Being in the spelling household. Candy. Candy has a wrapping
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 7: paper room. I don't know if Tori does.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Candy?
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: Candy, her mom.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Her dog.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: It has its own wrapping paper.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 7: The things that occupy my mind, it concerns me what
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: information could be in that candy has a wrapping paper room.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: This is why we're not doctors. This is why I
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: didn't go to dental school.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 8: What about Klaus Kinski?
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: He should not have had kids.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Cat people?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 7: No! You're going to take away Anastasia from us?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Just saying, really? Do you want him breeding in general?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: I think she's beautiful. Who knew that the female version
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: of him would be so beautiful?
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 8: What a scary man.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: The Redgraves?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: They're kind of forgotten about at this point. I don't know.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: But I was thinking... Because they haven't been to enough
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: award shows. There you go. Somewhat current, though, the Reitmans...
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: But wait, did.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: Sorry, I want to dwell for a second on the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 7: Red Graves.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: Did.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: What was the daughter who was married to Liam Neeson?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 7: Did they have.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Natasha Richardson. Yes.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Did they have children?
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: I was just thinking of her. Oh, and I'm thinking
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 8: of Miranda Richardson.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 7: Did they?
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: He seems very upset about something.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: In all of his movies.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Family members keep getting taken.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: They keep getting taken. Or eaten by wolves. Or kidnapped
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: by wolves sometimes.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: But.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, The Reitmans. I mean, that's a current one
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: that has passed the torch, and I'm sure you love
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: his work.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: Don't even get me started. All right, then we'll wrap
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 7: I did actually, I did see Labor Day. That is
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: a movie I did see.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 9: And?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: And that's Brolin's and Reitman's.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: It was terrible.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 8: Was that the hostage thing?
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: Yes and no.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Kind of?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: Sort of?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: It was a love story based on the book. written
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 7: by uh uh oh god what's her name she was
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: the mistress of um what's his name okay the coffee
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: i just collapsed the coffee ran its course and now
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: i have nothing left i.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 8: Thought you're saying she's the mistress of the coffee something
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 8: mongol anyway no catching her eye Salinger.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: Salinger, thank you.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Jesus tore my brain. Oh, okay, so you're looking for
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: the author.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: I was just throwing out names.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, Holden Caulfield, not a real guy. I
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: don't think he had children.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: Anyway, his mistress wrote this book, Labor Day, and then
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: it was adapted for film and the movie stars Josh Brolin.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 7: Who I had gotten to a point where I was
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: able to trust in his judgment, and he blew that,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: so I don't know. He can't pick a good movie.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've been saying pretty good things, and
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: everyone's fighting me on it about Oldboy, which I remember
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: you were one of the only people who said, see it.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: It's worth seeing. Was it released at all?
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 8: It's already gone then.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: It's on DVD. Yeah, it's on DVD.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: I remember when it was out, because I just watched
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: the original a couple months ago for the first time,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 8: so that was.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, there was no reason to remake it, but
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 7: I have so much respect for this strategy in remaking
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: a film, which is that he basically took the same
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: characters and the same central plot, but then gave it
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: a completely different meaning. I mean, it's about something completely
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: different conceptually.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Than the first film.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: By the end, it definitely is. I think you get
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: halfway through, and it's sort of similar, and then it
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: takes a turn midway, and I'm like, it's made itself
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: a different movie and it gives the character a different
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: trajectory and like it really does sort of become something different.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 7: I think it was a really interesting bold way to
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 7: go with it.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: And he's really good and he's great does he cut
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: his tongue out and.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 8: That's a spoiler that scene.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: I guess you just spoiled at least one of the movies.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry and okay okay if if we're not going
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: generational we're sticking within the family uh The new Olsen
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: is the best Olsen by far. I know the other
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: ones have way more money.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 7: But she's so good. Same with the Colkins. Sometimes it's
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: like the deep track younger siblings that.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Come up out of nowhere. I've seen her in so
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: many things now, and every time I'm just like, man,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: I keep expecting her to just phone it in. I'm like, damn,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: she's good in this too.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 8: She's legitimately talented.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: Elizabeth Olsen is amazing.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: She's amazing.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 8: What would you recommend seeing her in?
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: Anything she's in. She's an old boy.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Daughter of Nellie Olsen from Little House.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: She's good. Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marlene, Marcy.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: Marianne.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: With another Marcy in there. Which is actually really good.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: That was a great movie, and she's amazing in it. So, Olsen.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, back on the Brolin. This was one we
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: addressed on the car episode. I would say at this point,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Josh has overshadowed dad.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: Which I mean, for a long time, dad was pretty
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: well known. He was kind of that household name. Probably again,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: I blame hotel for ruining his career, but because he
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: became a TV actor, as we mentioned earlier, he went
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: from being a big film actor to a TV actor
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: and it killed his career. But I'd say Josh, it
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: took him a long time to get there. Like he,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: the kid roles didn't really work out for him, but like,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: way late you know for hollywood terms by the time
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: he's in his 30s doing stuff he really kind of
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: started knocking stuff out.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 8: No country seemed to be though yeah.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: It definitely was a new level for him and the.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: Fact that he died.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah well that was after he cut someone else's tongue.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Out which by the way his wife in that oh.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah she was in train spotting she was.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: In train spotting she was in boardwalk empire She's in
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: Boardwalk Empire, but she's in a great film about the
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: girl in the window.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: With, what's his name? Oh, God.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: It's about an author.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: Got to go to the Google machine. She's got, obviously
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: she's not one of my favorite actresses because I can't remember. However,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: let me see here. Go to IMDb.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 8: Well, she is Scottish, I think.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's Scottish.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 8: But to play that, that's why I was so surprised
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 8: when I find out later.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: So, Kelly MacDonald is her name. And she was in
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: The Girl in the Cafe. The Girl in the Cafe,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: which was a TV movie where she starred alongside Bill Niley.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: Great film.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: Highly, highly, highly recommend it.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: I remember seeing her here.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: She was, I absolutely fell in love with her in
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: that movie. She was so good.
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  Speaker 8: Girl in the Cafe.
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  Speaker 1: I love him. Girl in the Cafe.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. He's great. Kelly McDonald. She's, yeah, she's,
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  Speaker 1: but she's another one of those working actresses that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know her face. You go, oh, that girl who
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  Speaker 1: was in that thing, you know, which was actually a
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  Speaker 1: documentary out called I think it's the guy who was
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  Speaker 1: in that thing.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen that. It's actually, it's not bad, but you
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  Speaker 2: do that the entire time. You're like, I know him.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's just nothing but recognizing.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Recognizing these people. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, but I think what's, what's so, uh, likable about
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  Speaker 1: that film is you get to hear that they, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're just working stiffs. You know, these are guys who go,
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  Speaker 1: camera work sucked.
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  Speaker 5: By the way.
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  Speaker 1: But uh it's it's just these guys going from one
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  Speaker 1: job to the next to the next and they don't
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  Speaker 1: know where they're going to get their next ticket well that.
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  Speaker 2: Was that was the interesting thing because they're i mean
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  Speaker 2: most actors becomes pretty self-aware and like they all kind
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  Speaker 2: of realize they're that's their job like they're not i'm
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  Speaker 2: you know i'm i've been in a lot of movies
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  Speaker 2: not really a key character and i'm in my 40s
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  Speaker 2: now i'm probably not going to turn into a leading
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  Speaker 2: man like but I want to keep working.
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  Speaker 7: Let's put him in a Tarantino movie.
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  Speaker 2: So many of them are just kind of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just got to keep my insurance going. They're just
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  Speaker 2: working actors now, but they realize where they are in
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  Speaker 2: their career. It's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it makes them humble, which I love. One of
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  Speaker 1: the things that I always enjoyed about working with with
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  Speaker 1: John was that he, he knows his place in the industry,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and he, he has the, you know, he
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  Speaker 1: definitely has the talent to do anything that he wants
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  Speaker 1: to do, but he's so just, it's like, I'm, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just a guy who's working, you know, and that's how
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  Speaker 1: he approaches everything. And it's, it was really refreshing. to
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  Speaker 1: work with somebody like that who did not, who took
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  Speaker 1: the job seriously, but did not take themselves too seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And that was really refreshing.
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  Speaker 2: Especially who'd done, I mean, even if you want to
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  Speaker 2: take the acting out of it, like just musically, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of legendary.
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  Speaker 1: Like if somebody could claim to be like, I am important,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but he does not.
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  Speaker 11: Come off the way at all.
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  Speaker 1: He does not do that. He does not do that.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Great guy.
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  Speaker 7: And guest of Heritage and Stand Fest 2015.
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  Speaker 1: Already mapped out. Already locked in?
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  Speaker 7: Already locked in.
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  Speaker 9: Wow, sweet.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he said he would.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? As long as he doesn't have a conflict,
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  Speaker 1: he'll probably do it. He'll probably do it. He's that
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: kind of guy. He's just up for whatever is fun
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: and invigorating and something new.
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  Speaker 2: John Doe is awesome. I think that's how we need
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: to round this thing out.
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  Speaker 7: And thinking about how awesome the kid of Exine Cervinka
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 7: and Viggo Mortensen probably is. Because I think we need
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 7: to give that some thought as well.
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  Speaker 2: Do we have a due date for this baby?
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 7: No, he exists. He's in the world.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: You're planning future children.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 7: He's maturing and growing into the man he will one
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  Speaker 7: day be.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 7: Where he will dazzle us with whatever he decides to do.
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  Speaker 2: We shall see.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 7: Unless he disappoints me like that fucking Nick Cassavetes and
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 7: then watch out.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: And it all comes full circle. Alright, thank you for
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: hanging out with us this week. Do you now have
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  Speaker 2: All right. HarryDeanSatinFest.org. Do you guys have any plugs you'd
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  Speaker 2: return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for listening.
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  Speaker 11: May God bless and keep you always.
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  Speaker 1: May your wishes all come true.
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  Speaker 13: May you always do for others and let others do
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 13: for you.
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  Speaker 6: May you build a ladder to the stars and climb
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  Speaker 6: on every rock.
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  Speaker 2: May you stay forever young.
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  Speaker 3: May you stay forever young.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: May you grow up to be righteous. May you grow
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: up to be true.
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  Speaker 13: May you always know the truth and see the lights
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 13: around you.
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  Speaker 6: May you always be courageous, stand upright and strong. May
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 6: you stay, stay forever young.
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  Speaker 3: Forever young.
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  Speaker 13: May your hands always be busy. May your feet always
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  Speaker 13: be swift. May you have a strong foundation when the
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 13: winds of change.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: May your heart.
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  Speaker 7: Always be joyful.
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  Speaker 6: May your soul always be sunny.
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  Speaker 7: May you stay.
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  Speaker 3: Forever young Forever young Forever young May you stay Forever
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  Speaker 3: young May you stay.
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  Speaker 9: Forever young.
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  Speaker 8: I have a Tammy Faye Baker's autograph.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
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  Speaker 1: Did she sign it with her eyelashes?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: She just shoved her face into it and made a
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: shroud of turban. Back to the biblical references. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, fantastic.
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  Speaker 8: God, I need to find that.
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  Speaker 2: The Shroud of Turin?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I've wrapped her autograph in the Shroud
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  Speaker 8: of Turin.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: You've got one of those, too? That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I bought mine on eBay. It's totally legit. It's got
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: a certificate.
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