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Ghosts, Wildwood, Clayface and the Bond Casting Race · Between Screenings

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey and welcome back to Between Screenings where we talk about the latest film releases and just generally chat filmy stuff.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Joined as always by Tom Percival.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: Hey Tom.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hello Neil.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: We've both seen quite a few movies since we last chatted, because it's been a little while.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you fill us in on your cinema habits since we last spoke?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've been quite busy recently, so I've seen Ghosts, The Possession of Button House, the new Leica movie Wildwood, which I thought was an absolute delight.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Forgotten Island, the new animated film from DreamWorks.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: I play Rocky and Clayface of all films.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: Which probably makes sense considering how much I enjoy horror and superhero movies.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I also seen Clayface.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: I saw that today.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I saw Bad Apples, the Sourceron starer.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: I saw a indie that played uh BFI London called Florida.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen Street Fighter, and I think that's that's me.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: We've been busy.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: The only overlap we have is Clayface.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen movies this.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I'm sure that we'll hear two very, very, you know, disparate arguments.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're both gonna come at this with unique experiences as straight white man.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: We're both gonna be like, this is my interpretation of it.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: Indeed, where do we want to start?
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Can I start with my favourite movie that I've seen so far?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not particularly highbrow, but it is Ghosts.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: The Ghosts movie.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because I am currently deciding whether to go.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: So my one of my daughters is like, nah, I can wait, we can watch it at home.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's not one I need to go to the cinema for.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: So convince her that this is one we need to go to the cinema for and not wait for whatever the window is they have on this one.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I would have said, like, in theory, yeah, I agree with your daughter, that, you know, this is a sitcom, an adaptation of a sitcom.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Why do I need to go see this, you know, on the big screen?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Is it not just going to be three episodes of the BBC show glued together?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: The answer to that is no, it isn't.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: It genuinely does feel quite theatrical in the way they play it.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they lean more, certainly in the opening, I would say that they lean far more into the horror vibe, not in a spooky way, but just, you know, they have the big screen, they've got the sound system, so they're going to play with that in a way they couldn't in the TV show.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: I, as I say, I think, admittedly.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'll start just with like a brief synopsis of the film.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, it opens a few months after Allison and Mike moved out of Button House.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: The ghosts are at a loose end.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: Some teenagers break into the house and decide they're going to do a Ouija board, and the ghosts learn that they can possess certain people who are doing the Ouija board.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Would you believe Julian, the 90s ghost who wears trousers around his ankles, uh, the disgraced conservative MP, he possesses one of the boys and decides he's gonna go and get Allison because they need Allison to stop some eco-protesters who might stop the development on this golf course that they basically want the want the whole uh that Button House to turn into.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: It is very, very silly, but as I say, it leans perfectly into it's it's perfect for the big screen in that it it does expand on what we saw in the TV series.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's spookier, it's a little scarier.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly when we first, you know, re-enter Button House, you are like, oh, we've never seen it quite like this.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're seeing it through outsiders' eyes that I really uh which I really enjoyed.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: It is, though, the perfect adapt reinvention of the BBC sitcom.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: You so often, you know, like when you got like Porridge, the movie, and you were like, Why the fuck am I watching this?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: What is the point of this?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, very rarely you will get a sitcom movie where you're like, right, I understand what the thought process here was.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: A good grab.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Other than a cash grab, exactly.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I would say this this does not feel like a cash grab.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: This feels like people sat down together, and I know this is true because Matthew Dayton spoke about it quite eloquently, where he said, them there, the writing group who created ghosts, all sat down.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: It were forced into a room together by their producers who basically said, just have an idea, see if you've got an idea for a film, because we need to do it soon if we're gonna do it at all, because you don't want to age out of the ghost characters.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: They were like, nah, we're not sure.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently, they all sat in a room, and after a few hours, they were like, actually, really good idea here.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it is extremely funny.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: You will see the characters in outside of Button House through the possession of these kids.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: I did not stop smiling for the entire time it was on, basically.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: The kid who they've got playing, Julian, is absolutely sensational.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like it is remarkable when he's doing the impression, you know, that ah, it is brilliant.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's wonderful seeing the ghosts walking around in the real world.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like Julian going to a train station and he's not been out since the 90s, and he's got a tenor in his pocket, and he's like, I need to get to Royce Lip.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, You ain't got the money to go to Roycelip.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, How much is it?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, 75 pounds.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, bloody labour government.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, as I say, I had a wonderful time with it.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: I do not think it's gonna convert anyone who isn't a ghost fan to um, they're not gonna come out being like, oh my god, amazing.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: But if you see sat through all five sit car uh all five seasons, you will have a wonderful time with this movie.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, it stars Manchester Film Festival, alum, Charlotte Ritchie.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: If that's not a reason to go and support it, I don't know what is.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: My final, final appeal to your daughter is it is a British movie, you know, like it's made by the BBC.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: We don't get many of these, you know, less and less of these films.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: It is number one at the box office, I believe, here in the UK.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to see it a little bit more, and we might get a little bit more ghosts on the big screen in the future.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Brilliant, right.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you've uh you've sold me.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'll start looking at Show Times at our local cinemas to take them off to see to see ghosts.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know you also probably as uh so obviously LFF's been and gone.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Did you get too much stuff at LFF or LFF adjacent screenings?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually got to relatively this year, which was disappoint- which was disappointing.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: The one thing I did see through RFF though was Wild Watch, which is the Leica stop motion animated movie.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was very, very fortunate I was fortunate enough to be invited with a Q ⁇ A by director and the Travis uh sorry, director Travis Knight and the cast.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then I got to go to um the design museum, was holding a special exhibition with all the puppets and everything, which again Travis attended.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um who would say so this movie began like 15 years ago when Travis Knight read a book called Wildwood and was like, right, I want to make this into a movie.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the story of a young girl who was told not to take her little her baby brother outside by her strict hippie parents.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: She does it, and would you believe he's abducted by an army of crows?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: It happens, I guess.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: If you live this stuff hap-that's that's why you don't leave the house, Tom.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, exactly.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: She follows the cro follows the army of crows into the wild wood of Oregon, and she finds this magical land there.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it's probably best described as a sh really strange mishmash of labyrinth, you know, the the David Bowie film and Lord of the Rings of all things, in that there are these like opposing sides who are building to this inevitable clash.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: It is really, really strange.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like it you could call it weird wood, and people would be like, yeah, that makes a total sense.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in my life, like genuinely staggering.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: This film is over, it's it's over, I think it's 130 minutes.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, and that's why it's taken so long to do.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because obviously stop motion takes so long.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is the longest stop motion movie ever released.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: It is insanely ambitious.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um like we were talking, you know, we were chatting to some of the people who worked on the movie when we were at the design museum, and they were saying, you know, like, you'll see things that look like, you know, they were, you know, people will ask them, oh, how did you make that rat go into the small puppet's chest?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, or like do this or do that.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, oh no, you've got the small puppets, you've got the tiny puppets, you've got the medium-sized puppets, and you've got the 20-foot long, 20-foot-tall puppet that is essentially this giant that takes up half the studio, but that's you know, the level of detail we need.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: We need it blown up by this.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: It is incredible.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, genuinely incredible.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like a feat of cinema in that you just do not see anymore.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, I mean, my favorite fact about Leica is and always will be that it is just essentially Travis Knight is the is a one-man band keeping, you know, uh stop motion alive.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: His dad runs Nike, as in The Trainer Company, is, you know, bankrolling this.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're you know, they're making movies and that no one else would, uh, you know, because no one else would take a risk on this.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, this stars, I mean, it's got some names in it.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: You've got Kerry Mulligan, Jacob Trembler, H.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: D.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Grant, but they're not, you don't have the face to sell it.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's all the, it's all in the the the voice.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's not an IP people know, but it is magical, and it reminds you, like, it reminded me of those films I'd watch when I was growing up in the 90s and the 80s, you know, like something fantastical that transports you away takes you to this incredible place.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: I had such an amazing time with that.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: I would recommend it to anyone and everyone.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: This is a five-star banger of a movie.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: It cost an insane sum of money.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, genuinely.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: For animation, I think it is it's a pricey one.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's a hundred million.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it has only made 15 million at the box office.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we cannot say, as fans of cinema, that, you know, we support, you know, like how people always whinge on social media.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Why do they only make superhero stuff?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I on why am I watching Fast and the Furious 19?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Why is Tom Cruise doing another action movie?
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't they make interesting movies anymore?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is that.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Go out and watch it.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: This is, you know, a direct plea to anyone listening.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Seek this film out.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do not wait for streaming.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: It is not a streaming movie.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: It is a film that demands to be seen on the biggest screen possible.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just I mean I was from the bottom of my heart.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Please go watch it.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's very funny.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I realize that I'm monopolizing our time here, but how long these things take to make.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Jacob Tramblade got the phone call to make this movie while he was filming Room.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: So he agreed to do a voice in this film while filming Room.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: And God, when did that come out?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: 2015, 2014.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: 2015, I would say 2015, yeah.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that this is how much of a labour of love this film has been for people.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it is more than a decade's worth of work.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: I I I can't really say anymore.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's beautiful.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: It really is.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I love everything like a do.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do I would say if I had the, you know, I think Missing Link, the last movie they did, I think that was probably the weakest of the films they've done.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is a huge step up.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is on a level of Coraline, you know, of Box Trolls, of all the of Kubo and the Two Strings.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is a five-star, absolute must see.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think Missing Link was a straight to Netflix one as well, wasn't it?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: It definitely got a cinema release because I remember.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: I did get a thatchcom.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't see it because I was working a weekend.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: So M went to see it and I was I was gutted.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I would say my only note as well is that they are getting too good at stop motion.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, like when you watch Nightmare Before Christmas and the characters are a bit wobbly because they're stop motion, they moved so smoothly now as to the point where you're like, wow, I really can't tell if this if you told me this was digital, like I'd believe you because of how you know how good they've got at the uh the puppetry.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I do miss that little bit of jank, but that's a very, very much that's me splitting hairs.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: This, Neil, is a film to take your daughters to.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Magic.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: So another family film you've seen, Tom is Forgotten Island.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Is that one to take my children to?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: It is tremendously irritating.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is uh I mean just the just the marketing material for it make it look tremendously irritating.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: And also, was Puss in Boots The Last Wish a real really big success?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because apparently we should care that the director directed that as well.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, it is.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: So this is directed by Joel Crawford and I think it's Hanuel Makado, and they did Puss and Boots.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Puss and Boots, it's two or three the the last one.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever it was, it was a ma it was that was one of those films you go to see because you have a limitless card at a stair afternoon.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Me and loved that movie.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: We were genuinely shocked how good it was.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Look, these directors, they've clearly come up having watched Japanese anime, sort of like more interesting cartoons than you know, animators working on Disney did because they have like these really interesting visual styles to them.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: But you can tell that when they did Puss and Boots, there was someone saying, maybe we should keep this looking a little bit more like, you know, the last movie, you know, like a Shrek movie.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe there is a visual coherency we want to keep.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: And with this, they've gone, well, why don't you go wild?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: So this is the story of two best friends who get trapped in this magical forgotten island, hence the name.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: And basically they eat a load of junk food and they do the hangover.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: They've eaten so much junk food they can't remember the night before, and they're trying to piece it all back together so they can get back home.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Would you believe it?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, along the way they find out why they're best friends and all that, and all that, you know, stuff we've come to expect from these types of movies.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: It is like watching this is the visual equivalent of a of like an ADHD tantrum.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: There is so much happening on screen all the time.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: It is mind-boggling.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: And at first, you're like, oh, this is really cool.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, this is like really interesting to watch.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: But then it just keeps on going.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: And you just sat there thinking to yourself, my god, there is so much going on on screen.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's happening.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just, you know, the story is very, very by the numbers.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I'm just not vibing with this.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's not bad by any means.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: I would say go so far as to say, at point, it's good, but it's overly cliched and the animation is overly complicated.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: And compared to something like Wildwood, which is just so ambitious and so much more restrained, I just had such a better time with it.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: I will say as well, Dave Franco, I normally love you and stuff.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: You are one of the most irritating characters in the history of cinema in this film.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: I apologize for that.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're great.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: I did not like you as the weird dog wear dog man boy thing in this, who's constantly changing between a chihuahua and a man.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was rubbish.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't hate it, as I say, but this is 100%.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Stick it on Netflix when it's when it's on eventually on there.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's not one to take your kids to because I think they'll get headaches watching it.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wildwood's available, so why would you go and watch Forgotten Island when you could go and watch Wildwood?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, exactly.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's talk about the one that we've both seen then.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: So Clayface.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I came out of Clayface today.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: I watched it this afternoon.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: What were your what were your thoughts on Clayface?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I really enjoyed Clayface.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, I say really enjoyed.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I thought Clayface was okay.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's okayface, to be honest.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this is I think it's an interesting idea, this sort of um the idea being that this is like sort of like the Joker, I suppose.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a Batman villain standalone movie, you know.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this time the hero or the villain of the piece is Matt Hagen, this actor who sleeps with a mafia boss's girlfriend.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: They disfigure it, they cut off his face, basically, and he go he undergoes an experimental process to get his looks back so he can have his own life.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: But the process goes a little wrong and he ends up uh going on a revenge killing spree.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's I think that's fair to say.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um so it's a little bit John Wicky, a little bit jokery, you know.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just I thought it had such potential when it first opened.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is an 18 certificate movie, and when they were slicing off his face, I was like, Jesus Christ, this is intense.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: If this is gonna, if it's gonna maintain this level of gore and body horror, then I'm in for a good time.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because as we know, I'm a weird sick, sicko who enjoys these types of films.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: And and then we see him having, you know, surgeries to try and fix his face, and it's just getting worse and worse and worse.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, this is really cool.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then in the middle act, when he starts getting, you know, the nanobots that sort of allow him to heal and become Clayface, it just seemed to lose any interest in being a body horror movie to me.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's still weird little moments, but I really thought that you started to see the limitations of the budget, because it was made for a pittance, I think 30, 40 million.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like so Yeah, I mean they even it was even where they took us outside of Gotham all of a sudden, and we were like sat by a beach.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, what's the what why are we now by a bit why why are we by the sea?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like what's that This is odd?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was very strange.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm as I say, as someone who has who enjoys the work of David Cronenberg and enjoys the work of Clive Barker and you know, Hellraiser and those types of films, this felt very much like I'm gonna guess like a prick, like one of those arrogant horror people uh who's like, you know, daddy's for uh, you know, baby's first horror body horror.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because there just wasn't that much body horror to it.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like when he turns into other people, it's completely clean.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like he just does it instantly, like it's a blink and you'll miss it type thing.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think the kills were really quite dull at times.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you promised me a guy who can turn into anything, and he doesn't really do much with that power.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he just sort of beats people up and gets all gooeins inside them.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was a bit.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: I kept on want I kept on wanting the film to kick it up a notch or go into a higher gear, and it just never did.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Even the building.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Even the even the big sort of showdown at the end, I think was, yeah, like you say, kind of there were some interesting ideas in there, but it just didn't.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like you say, it set itself up.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: All the go- all the really gory sort of body horror stuff happens within the first sort of 20 minutes.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then and then it just is kind of an action-y, darky superhero movie.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, like I thought I've heard people say they think that scene in the nightclub is amazing.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I think, you know, it's subpar, as I said before, this subpar John Whip.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when Keanu Reeves is walking into the bathhouse to go get Alfie Allen, that's an amazing action sequence in a, you know, in a nightclub.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: This is just a like a fight where the guy can, he's not, he's like invulnerable and you know, can turn into other people.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was just just I don't want to say bored by it, because again, that's unfair.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a perfectly serviceable three-star movie, but it's the type of film that you I think you walk out of and you almost immediately forget about it.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: I I had I had a nice time with it while I was in there watching it.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't overstay its welcome, it's not, it's not overly long.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like I say, I think I was expecting a bit more from I was expecting to be squeamish more than I was.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the the the early stuff, like you say, when he gets his face disfigured initially is pretty full on.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking, oh god, this is And then after that, I don't think I was at any point was I then squeamish again, which I was a bit disappointed by because I kind of wanted to be grossed out a bit more.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's interesting, isn't it?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: It very much fits in the wheelhouse of the Matt Reeves Batman.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the Matt Reeves Batman world.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the penguin, which we had the TV series, two TV series of.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of fits within within that world.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I don't understand what's I don't understand.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't get like I I it's a standalone movie.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to know anything about Batman, you don't need to know anything about superheroes, you can just go and watch it as a one one-off standalone movie.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's good because that then appeals more to someone like me.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need to do any background reading.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't it's still publicised and talked about as being part of James Gunn's DCU.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what James Gunn's DCU is, because tonally this film is not part of the Supergirl and the Superman sort of world.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: It must be part of the Matt Reeves, the Batman, Joker.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Joker's in the Batman world, and the penguin world.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's that Gotham.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's not whatever Gotham, because we're gonna get another Batman movie, am I right?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think 2029 or something like that.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that won't be a Matt Reeves Batman, Robert Patterson Batman.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be something that's part of the other DCU.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I just don't I think they're just very confused.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I think they made a huge mistake in this by setting like that they they have used the same Gotham.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: So literally, I mean, when I say the same, they've used Liverpool for a lot of the Gotham that we see in Clayface, which is the same city Matt Reeves used.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that there is not enough of a distinction in the low in the location of Gotham for you to think, right, this is clearly a different place.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I should say as well, they did film in Manchester.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Her lab is her lab is uh under the viaduct in Castlefield.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And yep, we did see the nice plaza cinema in Stockport, but it just Manchester and Liverpool look the same.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just do you know what I mean?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like you needed a, I think you wanted like a Chicago.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Which DCU is it in?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I again, I couldn't tell you.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like they're hedging their bats.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do they just want to use Robert Patterson's Batman and be like, because he exists and we might as well?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's very, very confused.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: I do think we should say, by the way, that because we've been a bit negative, that time.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Homries Harry's, I might be putting it.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Really good performance in it.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's very good as Matt Hagen.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I really liked him.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think Naomi Aki had much to do.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be honest.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, she didn't have a whole heap to do.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: She was, yeah, it was, it was, it was all him.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And Eddie Marzen is in another movie entirely.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: He is doing full-on like Batman 1989, but whatever, Eddie.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, like I do think, again, it's part of the issues of the the the wider issue of the DCU that this film just feels very sort of like, what is this?
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like it should it's even to the point where Matt Reeves is a producer on the movie.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: His name comes up in the credits and you're like that confused me.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, oh, so it's it's the Matt So this is so he's now gonna be a bad baddie in the next Batman movie, the next The Batman movie, or like because it it leaves it in a way where he's set up as a Batman baddie now.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Which we know from the comics and stuff.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: So is he a are we gonna see him in the Batman?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like is he like I don't know It's just all very it's all very confusing.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: But like don't if you if you're into if you enjoyed the Penguin, if you enjoyed the Batman movies, this is worth it's worth two hours of your time to pop to the cinema and see it.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I say, it's a solid three stars.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: If this is if this if this is up your street, then I'd say go see it.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good low budget sort of I think if this was a low budget non-superhero movie, we'd probably be maybe be singing its praises a bit more.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: But it's yeah, I think like you say, they it would have been nice to see a bit more with the the shifting between people.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: I just think Because it seemed that he could just do that like in an absolute instant, which then didn't really mo then he was sometimes he was like stretching his face out and doing stuff.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I think I just would have preferred a little bit more of that, like in manipulating his face into position and stuff rather than these quick changes.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I really like like you know there's a moment after he well, in fact, no, I won't say this as a spoiler, but he is literally wiping his face clean from the person he's just been.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, that's really cool.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: That was that's really cool.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: But then once he controls his powers, it just seems like an excuse to no, he can just instantly be whatever he needs to be in that moment.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's no shifting or more.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: But also including controlling changing his outfits.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: I did like how they showed a scene of him growing a t-shirt so he could be like In fact, I must you know what?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've just remembered one thing I will say Rob Bryden playing a villain, more of that, please, when he's in the you know, I I don't want to spoil it, but the Rob Bryden cameo early on.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: I thought, nice, nice little cameo for Rob Bryden, and then when he comes back, brilliant.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I loved it.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think we're both sort of agreed, really.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Solid sort of three-star movie.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like I say, it's my this is the superhero stuff I like.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: I like the Batman, I like the I loved the Joker T not Joker.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: I loved the first Joker.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've not seen the musically one because everyone said it was so bad.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: I loved the Penguin TV series.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was one of the best things on TV last year.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so anything in that sort of gritty Gotham world I'm I'm in on.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I just couldn't figure out which gritty Gotham I was in.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And is it LA?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Coast City in the DCU.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's called what?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Coast City.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Coast City.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right, okay.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't work out whether it was Coast City or Sun City, but yeah, okay.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: But it's LA.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Would you like me very quickly to talk because it's not out yet, but I do want to talk about it, because it is again.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: I've just seen I've seen I've done very well this week uh this month in terms of the stuff I've watched.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I would like to know about iPlay Rocky.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Give it give us a quick rundown on IPlay Rocky.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: So for those who don't know, this is the this film is essentially a biopack for Sylvester Stallone and how he became an actor and how he managed to convince people not only to make the film Rocky, but let him, more importantly, let him play Rocky.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And you learn an awful lot about the film, most of which about Sylvester Stallone's history, most of which has been smoothed over and glazed over because, you know, this is a biopic.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're not re you know, the real story would be boring.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Print the legend, as they say.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is a really, really good film.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, like a a magn like a really, really strong film, especially when you learn it's from one of the Farrelly brothers.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's from Peter Farrelly, who, you know, dumb and dumber in his back catalogue.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was super impressed by it.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it is entirely down to, and I'm not gonna do no, I'm not doing the rest of the cast a disservice here when I say this.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Anthony Ippolito, who plays Sylvester Stallone in this film.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: If there were moments when they were you see them filming Rocky, and I was like, have they just put in footage from the film here?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I didn't know, like, what I, you know, it's that good a performance.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: It looks that much like Sly.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: He sounds that much like Sly.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: It is fantastic.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's not out until November.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't think in the UK.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: So again, I will not say too much.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: But when this comes out, please do go and see it.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: It is every bit as inspirational as the original.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Rocky, you will leave thinking, I need to start backing myself in the real world.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because Sylvester Stallone was offered an awful lot of money to just for the Rocky script if he did not play the character of Rocky, and he stuck to his guns, took a massive pay cut from what he would have earned for the script, and obviously went on to become the legend he is now.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I again just cannot recommend it enough.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's one weakness, and it does have one weakness.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: You do come out of it saying, that was really good.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: I could have just watched Rocky.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's a little bit unfortunate that it just happens to be, you know, a film about making one of the best movies ever made.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you do come out going, well, that was good, but it's no Rocky.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, that's not really a stain on it because it is, as I say, so entertaining.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think two hours long, the time it absolutely flows.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I watched this with a friend from work whose dad is the biggest Rocky fan in the world, and he said that's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, if if a Rocky fans will say that, it's got to be good.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm definitely excited to see that when it's out in the cinema.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do a quick whip through uh the other three films I've seen.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, Street Fighter, I watched a few weeks ago.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Tom, it's exactly what you expect.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Is it?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: You surprise me.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: It is exactly what you expect.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: It probably does overstay its welcome slightly.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: It probably could have had 15 minutes taken off of it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, an hour and 45 rather than sort of two hours would have maybe been a sweeter spot.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: But it's, you know, it doesn't take itself too seriously.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Some people have complained that it then does take itself seriously, and you uh when it gets bogged down in plot and all this stuff, it gets a bit of it doesn't take itself seriously.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: It is quite obviously based on a 90s video game.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: You've got a massive uh Jason Momoa as a giant green blanker.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was going to ask about Jason Momoa.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of Easter eggs in terms of where they're fighting, so where Blanca's fight happens, where Ryu and Ken end up fighting at one point, where different people, all the different sort of backdrops that you've seen on the the 2D um computer game.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's some Easter eggs in there for people who, you know, were with Street Fighter from the first film, from the first computer game, not just Street Fighter 2, which everyone knows is the SNES version where everyone really got into Street Fighter.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's just fun.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: There's some there's some funny nods.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Giles' character is very funny.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's just silly.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's a silly nonsense film.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you go in there expecting something serious, you're gonna be disappointed.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: But if you just want some silly martial arts, MMA style fun, really colourful, garish anime mixed in, um, then you're gonna enjoy yourself.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, don't take it too seriously.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: If that's your vibe, you'll enjoy it.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: How does David Dasmalsian's M.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Bison compare to the M Bison from the 90s?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've seen people say that David Dasmalsian, his M.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Bison just maybe isn't on odds with uh, oh my god, what was his name?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: I always just think of Gomez from the Adams family.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: I would say his M.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Bison was absolutely brilliant.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like M.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Bison as a pathetic power-hungry loser who the only way he can get any power is by sucking it out of other people.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he plays it with that really sort of creepy evil vibe that works perfectly for M Bison.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because people said they did like that.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, people said they weren't sure about him, but I don't know if you saw Late Night with the Devil.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he was creepy and I I liked him.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I think he's got villain energy about him.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: So delighted to hear that I was right about David.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's creepy and horrible.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then, right, so completely different to Street Fighter 2.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: I also saw a film which was part of LFF called Florida, which is a very low-budget British independent film, which is longlisted for best debut director at the Biffers, and is directed uh by Billy Lumby.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's a film that no, it is not.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: That is that who's directed.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, sorry, that is who directed it.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: There was another Florida coming up on my thing.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was getting very confused.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, I I thought it was I thought it was great.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's about this young man, Jamal, who is a schizophrenic.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: He's really struggling with with voices in his head.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's living in kind of a kind of a squat, but essentially a sort of home for people who've been released back after having mental health problems, um, to be to sort of be looked after.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've ever seen a film that really helps you understand what this young man must be going through.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: The voices he hears in his head, the the sort of craziness, the the wanting to try and stay on your medication, but not having to live in these sort of in this not particularly nice apartment, but that's that's the only place you can go.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: The people who are there to support him and trying to help him.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I just think it's a really amazing feat of filmmaking, for especially for a first-time filmmaker, to have made something that is it really, really is sort of visceral in the way you understand what this what his character's going through and a lot of the problems he has.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's also made in conjunction with the mental health community in London.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of the people who are in it aren't actors, they are people who are going who have been committed or who are going through their own mental health struggles and having sort of group sessions and talking about their problems and trying to help other people.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think it was it's a really, really, really good sounds amazing.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Film, really strong.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of didn't know what to expect straight off.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: I started watching it, I was like, oh, I'm not quite not quite sure what this is going to be.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then yeah, it just really captivates you in the story and the lead performance from Jonathan Jules as Jamal is absolutely fantastic.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, really, really impressive from start to finish.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: RN24, social realism, mental health film.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: I I would suggest it to anybody to go and check it out because it was I I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: So if you know if you want to go and see something that's going to challenge you a bit more, that's really gonna um uh take you away completely from superheroes and street fighter, then then seek this out when it is when it is out in cinemas.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds amazing.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have to check that one out.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and the other film I saw was Bad Apples, which is the Sorceron film.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um was it good apples, Neil?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it was fine.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was fine.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: See if this reminds you of any other film that maybe came out this year.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Two class of kids trying to teach you a class of kids.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: One of them is an absolute little shite.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: He isn't getting any support from the head teacher or anyone else in looking after this little little shit in her class, and he's he's a f he's ruining it for everybody.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: So the all the other kids are suffering as well because of his behaviour.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: No one will do anything about it.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: She goes to speak to the dad because he's been suspended, an Ofsted are coming in, so she needs to make sure he's not there when Ofsted are in, because that will really screw them.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: Accidentally ends up pinning into the floor because he's starting starts smashing a car with a crowbar.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: So she wrestles him to the floor to try and get him to calm down.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of then she leans on him so hard he passes out.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: So she does the sensible thing and she chains him up in her basement.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this sounds very familiar.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: This sounds a line She then, while he's chained up in her basement, she educates him, finds out he can't actually read and write, so she starts giving him lessons in the basement to try and kind of rehabilitate him, I suppose.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: This sounds like a really weird mashup of Good Boy, which opened Manchester Film Festival 2026.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that Killian Murphy Netflix movie from earlier this year, uh Steve, you know, where he played the teacher with the troubled kids.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Not as good as either, it sounds like though.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, I would say The Good Boy is a better film in terms of that.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: It leans The Good Boy goes darker and leans a bit more comedic than this.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is kind of a a dark comedy.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: It redeems itself in its third act.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: So the third act, I think, redeems the film and and gives us something interesting.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think it just labours over the first two acts for too long.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I nearly didn't make it to the third act to find out what happened because it just it kind of took too long to get there.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: But the third act was quite amusing and raised some other things.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Also, having been a teacher, it kind of just sturks me slightly.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's I know it's a satire or it's meant to be a satire, but there are no schools that I'm aware of where you this you would just be left with no support whatsoever.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: And the head teacher would just be like, just get on with it.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: That kid's smashing up your classroom and is disrupting everyone else, but you just gotta deal with it.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Why'd you keep whinging at me?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's just not how any school I've ever I've been a governor of a primary school and this isn't something that would ever happen.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that kind of annoyed me slightly.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I know they're doing it for satiristic effect, so fine.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: But that kind of just frustrated me slightly as well, because it it it makes it seem like the only solution is to chain up a boy these these boys in your basement to sort it out.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, I it's pleasant enough.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sortia Ronan's great in it, she's she's fantastic as always, she carries it.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: Is it worth it for the third act that's pay off?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: There are better films to go and see.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I'm glad to hear Sersha you know, that Sersha's doing well.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Shame.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Should we talk about Sersha Ronan's fella though?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's been in the news an awful lot of them.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: What a segue, Tom.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: What a segue.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that you know, that's why I get paid the nothing to do this.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we are fully into now the bond casting process, which is arguably the biggest film news of the year, would you say?
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Green test this week, supposedly, yes.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: I would say it's it's gonna be whopping great big news.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I believe the three who deadline reported of taking part in the auditions are Jack Loden, Sersha's fella.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Callum Turner, also known as the dullest choice you could possibly have, and Josh O'Connor.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there are rumoured to be two other people who are also being considered.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I've seen all sorts of names attached to this.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Deadline Hollywood reported it first, and they actually reported Jack Loudoun, Callum Turner, and Jack O'Connell.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right, okay.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: There is a lot of sort of Jack O'Connell and Josh O'Connor, their names are quite similar.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Have people just mucked up who it is.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's very possible.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: To me, Josh O'Connor, not a hope.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, but you can't play Prince Charles in the Crown and then also be James Bond.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, you can't.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: I really like Josh O'Connor.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I I think he's a brilliant actor.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely loved him in Disclosure Day, loved him in the Knives Out movie, loved him in everything in La Chimera.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's great.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: The mastermind, I think he's absolutely fantastic.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's Bond.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: I just I don't I also don't believe he'd want to be Bond, but maybe I'm wrong.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: I just he seems the completely wrong fit.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: I completely agree.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you make something like La Chimera or the Mastermind and then go, and now I'll play Bond.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, because you know we all have rent and mortgages to pay.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure, you know, having Bond in your back pocket would be nice.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: He just seems wrong to me.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not into Callum Turner either.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to be meme.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just think it's the dullest choice you could possibly make.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: We've gone from, you know, we've been waiting for this for five years.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he looks perfect for it.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like he's got the dark hair, he's handsome.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, what Eternity was the last thing I think I no, one night only, the sex comedy from earlier this year.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: His last two pictures have been okay to stinky at best.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like is this the best we can do with Bond?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I know there's the argument that they like people of mid-level fame, but he just he looks the part, and I'm gonna say it, he wants it too much.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's been walking around Soho if the reports are gonna be believed, telling everyone who will listen that he's the next Bond.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry, that isn't how a MI5 operative or MI6, whichever one Bond is, should be operating.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't wander around, you know, casino saying, I've got a license to kill.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Did you know that?
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's James Bond.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: He needs to be a bit more slicker than that.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think I'm being harsh?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I'm not a big Callum Turner fan in terms of Bond.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think some of the stuff he's done's cool.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like quite liked him in rosebush pruning.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I don't I don't see him as bond.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: My my wife doesn't think he's particularly sexy.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like she's not a big she was a bit disappointed with him in that when we saw One Night Only.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: She she she uh she was like, I don't really fancy him.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um so if you're not gonna get the housewives, what are you gonna do?
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think Jack Loudoun for me is a bit don't think Loudoun works for me.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's because I've watched slow horses and I see him as a bumbling five agent instead of a super suave one.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously he's an actor, so he can he can play different parts, but I just don't see Loudoun.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think for me, yeah, of the all of the ones we've said, I think Jack O'Connell would be an absolutely brilliant Bond.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's got that glint in his eye, I think he's got that bit of grit you want in him.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think he'd be he'd I'd I'd not thought of him at all until the deadline piece came, uh the the Hollywood Reporter piece came out, but I think I think he'd be great.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd love it to be O'Connell.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think, first of all, he's he's got the looks for it, and I think the one thing he's got over Loudoun, as much as I love Jack Loudoun, I think I love him in Slow Horses, I think he's as brilliant as River.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: I just think if I was casting that, I don't want the River is such an incompetent spy, like and a bumbler, like you said.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't want that cross-pollination in people's mind.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like it just not certainly while Slowhorses is still filming and on, that you cannot have him be bond.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's just never going to work.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: O'Connell, though, looks like the type of guy who would gun you down and then be sipping martinis by the pool, like in, you know, 20 minutes later.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's like you say, he seems dangerous and charming at the same time.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like when he's had that ever since he first appeared in Skins, you know, back in whatever it was, like 2013.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's just got this kind of like it's almost indescribable the energy, the menacing energy he's got.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: He feels like big and intimidating, but you're also really likable and a bit of a laugh.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: The Bone Temple.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: He's unbelievable as Jimmy in the Bone Temple.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: As Jimmy Savile impersonator Jimmy in uh in the Bone Temple.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I mean, the only other name I've heard is Taylor Swift's ex Joe Alwyn as someone, but we've just had a blonde bond.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think if we're you know, unless he's gonna knock out the head, I don't think it's gonna work.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's good in Hamlet.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't really, you know, what the brutalist, I've I've still not seen the brutalist, actually.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: I do need to get around to that.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's not born to me.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's not bond for him.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: I just I it's it's I agree.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: I just think you look at him and you're like, that's not James Bond.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you do keep hearing about these like Virandos, you know, who like whose names come up as like, what about this person?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, who is that person?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think yeah, I think you're right.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think Josh would be my pick.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: O'Connor.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Jack.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: Jack, I've done a deadline.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: You've done a deadline, Jack O'Connell.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think for me, Jack, out of that out of those, I think Jack O'Connell is the most exciting pick for Bond.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think some of the other ones just aren't.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: Just they're a bit dull, possibly.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: I heard two of the names.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently they've ruled themselves out and said that's not ours.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: But Harris Dickinson and Nicholas Hall.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Harris Dickens, Nicolas Hall.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: Never no Harris Dickinson is what?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Harris Dickens is 30.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: That works, doesn't it?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the others are all sort of mid-30s, aren't they?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I don't again, I don't see it with Harris.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: I like Harris Dickinson, I like a lot of the stuff he's done, but yeah.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, have you heard about these talking about Harris?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Have you heard about these Bloomin' Beatles movies gets weirder and weird?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna release them all on the same day and report all report the box offices combined together.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's manful.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like so it's gonna report as one movie, but before.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: We always joked about like how eventually, you know, when they were making Bohemian Rhapsody and the um Elton John movie a few years ago, Rocket Man.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was remember joking with some friends that they were gonna do like a band, eventually do like a live aid Avengers style movie where we'd see all of these, you know, like musicians link up in this big crossover movie.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it turns out that is absolutely an idea Hollywood has with the Beatles of all people.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do you not think that there is I mean, you know what?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: If they're the biggest band in the world, arguably ever, you know.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, maybe I am completely mis uh you know, I'm I'm completely misjudging it.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think anyone's gonna see pay to see four different Beatles movies on the same day.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was staggered a week apart.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: I thought they were gonna stagger them a week apart.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: But no, apparently all all all on the same day and all reported as the same box office.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, funny one.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's very, very strange.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, are you excited for a Beatles movie?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Be honest, or no me either.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I've seen enough Beatles stuff.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Watch the hours and hours of stuff on uh Disney Plus and whatever else.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think everyone's had their fix, haven't they?
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: The main thing I'm excited for is us getting Barry Kean back and he can finally have a haircut because he's looked.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Barry, if you're listening, you've looked like a pillock for the last few months walking around with that haircut.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you need a trim, mate.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't wait for Beatles to be over so Barry can start making stuff that's interesting again.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not not not great.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's sign off.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to say one thing is I thought we'd got to the point now where we were getting stuff at the same time as the US.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it annoys me when we get stuff nearly a month later.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see everything.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna have I seen everything?
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: Bloody well haven't, because it was released in the States earlier than over here.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've got to wait till November.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: So this is for whatever reason, we've agreed that between January and October, at the start of October, the UK and the US basically the same weekend.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: But for whatever reason, between this month and January, we're like now for that, like we're just gonna release everything whenever we want, we guess.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it's always and it's like and I know why.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's because it used to be because BAFTA used to be the last award ceremony of award season, but now the Oscars are the last awards in award season again.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: So why are we still doing this?
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are we still doing this?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Pointless.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's annoying because the marketing's still worldwide marketing.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you still hear about it.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: And look, I'm not gonna go and illegally download anything or stream stream, you know, get hold of it by nefarious means.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: But this is why people used to do it a lot.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because it it it'd be out in the States, everyone would be talking about it, it'd be like, but I want to see it now.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm not I'm not naming names because I don't want to grass up fellow film critics, but I know film critics who do do that because they have they, you know, you work for a US-based publication and you live in the UK, you can't go see these movies, so they end up pirating them so that they can watch, they can then report on this stuff, you know, and then claim they saw it at like a film festival that, you know, like at Toronto or whatever it may be.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: It is irritating to the extreme, and we don't need to do it.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's a self-inflicted punishment at this point.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: We need to grow up and just release them day on day in the UK and the US.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yes, so that's uh that's the our little rant over.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I mean I'm I am very much looking forward to it though.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, a three-hour documentary in the cinema seems mad to be the thing I'm most excited about seeing in the next month.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: But um We're gonna Emma I are gonna watch the Disney Plus um TV series that they made.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: The dropout.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the dropout.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently that team that ties into it really well.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: So uh we're gonna do that between now and its eventual release in November.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: So we've seen both.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: I would say that is also my plan, Tom.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: That is also my plan.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: And apparently lots of other people's plans, because apparently viewing figures for the dropout have gone through the roof.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: So surprising that.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: Surprising that.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've waited on for long enough.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: There have been lots to chat about, so loads of films to go and check out at the cinema.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think most of the stuff we're talking about is still available.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: So you now know what to avoid and what to go and see.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we will then join you next time we are between screenings.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Bye bye.