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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the
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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, everybody, Greetings from Detroit, Michigan.
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Speaker 1: That we are in a hotel room right now in
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Speaker 1: downtown Detroit, about five minutes away from the NFL Draft Theater.
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Speaker 1: And it is approximately three pm Eastern on Wednesday, which
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Speaker 1: is just over twenty four hours away from the NFL
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Speaker 1: Draft's first round. And I put this tweet out yesterday
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Speaker 1: that I think there's gonna be a lot of trades.
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Speaker 1: I doubled down today with a tweet that I said,
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Speaker 1: I referenced it on Pat McAfee. I think we might
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Speaker 1: get ten trades in the first round. And that's because
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Speaker 1: everybody I'm talking with is like, Oh, this team's trading up,
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Speaker 1: that team's trading back, this team's looking to trade up,
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Speaker 1: this team's trading to trade back. I figured this podcast episode,
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Speaker 1: if you're listening, you just want content, content content. I'm
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Speaker 1: not on television at the moment, so let's do it
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Speaker 1: over podcasts and just empty the notebook. It's going to
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Speaker 1: be rather quick compared to the hour long interviews we've
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Speaker 1: had with coaches and coordinators in the past, but this
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Speaker 1: is our latest thinking as of around three o'clock on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: And if you're listening to this at the gym on
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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, and I know that's optimistic assuming people go
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Speaker 1: to the gym. I always say the gym, but I
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Speaker 1: really mean as you're sitting at home playing video games
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Speaker 1: with this on, or driving in a car in traffic.
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Speaker 1: Here's some things to note, and I'll go through it
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Speaker 1: team by team, and then I think maybe big picture stuff.
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Speaker 1: The first point I would make is that I do
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Speaker 1: believe there is going to be close to a dozen
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Speaker 1: trades made in the first round that would be record breaking.
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Speaker 1: I think that this is one of those years where
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Speaker 1: there are some quarterbacks that teams might want to trade
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Speaker 1: up and down for, but it's not even about the quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: It's about the wide receivers, the tackles, and then the
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Speaker 1: few defensive players. So I actually think it might go
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Speaker 1: somewhat chalk one, two, three, four, And we'll get into
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Speaker 1: my mock draft in part two on this, but as
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Speaker 1: I have it right now, I've got Caleb going one
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Speaker 1: to the Bears the Commanders. I'll open the door. It
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Speaker 1: did get Harry for a while there over the weekend,
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Speaker 1: I heard all sorts of stuff that he might not
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Speaker 1: want to go there, and you know, and then it's
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Speaker 1: if you're Washington, and if he even had the inclination
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Speaker 1: of I might not want to go there three days ago,
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Speaker 1: Like do you say we'll screw you, like this isn't free,
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Speaker 1: We'll take Drake Mayo, We'll be fine, or do you
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Speaker 1: just say, okay, once we get him in the building,
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Speaker 1: it'll be all good, because there is no doubt. And
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is real, that Jaden Daniels and
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Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce have a great relationship and that whole you know,
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Speaker 1: connection to the Raiders is real. But the Raiders don't
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Speaker 1: have them or the ability to go up from thirteen
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Speaker 1: to two. So earlier this week, Jayden Daniels publicist, and
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Speaker 1: I think that stuff Denise White came out and she's
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Speaker 1: been an NFL publicist for many stars. She's dealt in
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Speaker 1: crisis communication. Like I've heard her name and I don't
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Speaker 1: know her personally, but I've seen her stuff for years.
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Speaker 1: And she wrote on Twitter, Jaden Daniels is excited to
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Speaker 1: be part of the NFL and whatever he is, wherever
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Speaker 1: he is drafted, he will be happy to be part
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Speaker 1: of that organization. So I'm done, like that's it. But
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Speaker 1: then if you're Washington, you're like, dude, like, we're about
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Speaker 1: to put all of our faith in you. New coach,
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Speaker 1: new owner, new GM, new offensive coordinator, new team president,
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Speaker 1: new Bob Myers is involved. And then we just got
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Speaker 1: you know, these other guys involved. We have a whole
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Speaker 1: new front offense, Lance new Mark, Adam Peters always got
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Speaker 1: do we want to start things off with a quarterback
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Speaker 1: who says, you know, I will be happy with whatever
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Speaker 1: team I go to, as opposed to I want to
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Speaker 1: be a commander. I see Terry McLaurin and John Dotson,
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Speaker 1: and I want to be a commander. I think by
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Speaker 1: the time the draft comes, that will all be all settled.
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Speaker 1: And I got him going to to commanders. Three is
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Speaker 1: the Patriots. I'm gonna give you an analogy for the Patriots,
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Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of rumors about the Patriots
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Speaker 1: looking to trade back, and I even said it on
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Speaker 1: McAfee that they could trade back and then still get
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Speaker 1: McCarthy if they trade back a little, if they fall
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Speaker 1: in love with McCarthy. Here's how I see it, though.
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Speaker 1: Here's an analogy I would make and Aaron, my producer,
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Speaker 1: you're on the mic right, your mic is working, let's
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Speaker 1: say testing. Let's get you in there.
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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, I'm here. I'm ready for this beautiful analogy.
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Speaker 1: Make sure here's it all right. There's a house on
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Speaker 1: the block that forever just has a for sale sign
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Speaker 1: in front of it, and it's a beautiful house, and
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Speaker 1: every time you drive by, you're like, Wow, that house
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Speaker 1: is for sale, and that house is for sale, and
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Speaker 1: they do have open houses and people come and looking through.
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Speaker 1: It just never gets sold and the asking price might
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Speaker 1: be too high, or the owners don't actually want to
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Speaker 1: sell it. They just like to hear offers and be
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Speaker 1: told what this exists in America. That's the Patriots right now.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're looking to sell the third pick.
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Speaker 1: I think Drake may is fine, is going to be
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Speaker 1: the future of this team. He's twenty one years old,
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Speaker 1: he's six foot four, he's a great kid. It comes
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Speaker 1: from an out sports family. Like you're the Patriots. You're
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Speaker 1: not looking at me in the top five anytime soon.
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Speaker 1: You're not going to have an opportunity to get these quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: You know, as often as you you know, as often
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Speaker 1: as they come, take the quarterback. I don't care what
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Speaker 1: the offer is from Minnesota. Take the quarterback, because say
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Speaker 1: Minnesota offers you the eleven, the twenty three next year's
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Speaker 1: for so what if you don't have a quarterback, so
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Speaker 1: what so what? So at eleven you might get JJ
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Speaker 1: McCarthy and and that, okay, fine. I think it's Drake May.
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Speaker 1: And whether or not Jonathan Kraft is heavily involved or not,
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Speaker 1: I think that the football people, and Jonathan Craft probably included,
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Speaker 1: are like, get the quarterback. Let's start filling the building
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Speaker 1: because it was bleak at times last year in those
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Speaker 1: home games for the Patriots, and with Jacoby Brissett making
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Speaker 1: eight to ten million dollars, that's a serviceable veteran guy.
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Speaker 1: Bring in a rookie Drake May, third or all to
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Speaker 1: the Patriots. Cardinals. Chalk would have Marvin Harrison. I think
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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison makes a lot of sense. There's your Larry
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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald for the next two decades if you can get
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Speaker 1: them in there. And it's fine. Where things get interesting
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Speaker 1: and where my notes really begin, as we'll do a
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Speaker 1: mock draft on part two on this thing. But the
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Speaker 1: things get interesting at five to me because there's multiple
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Speaker 1: things happening here. One, the Chargers will not be taking
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, and there's one quarterback left with the grade
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Speaker 1: that's worthy of being in the spot, and there are
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Speaker 1: probably three or four teams that might be interested. So
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Speaker 1: then it becomes a bit of a feeding frenzy. Who's
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to go up and get them? Who
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Speaker 1: wants them? And if the Chargers are at five, do
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Speaker 1: they trade him to the highest bidder? Do they end
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Speaker 1: up just taking their guy? Because you could end up
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Speaker 1: missing out on a top tackler or top wide receiver
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Speaker 1: if you move too far down in the draft here.
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Speaker 1: So the Chargers at five become really interesting. The other
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Speaker 1: little rinkle I've heard, and you'll start hearing this more,
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Speaker 1: i'm sure over the next few hours, is that as
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Speaker 1: great as Joe alt is, who is a high school
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Speaker 1: legend at of Minnesota, a Notre Dame legend, a Notre Dame, and.
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Speaker 2: Was the.
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Speaker 1: Consensus top left tackle in this draft, Jc Latham, three
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Speaker 1: hundred and forty pound maller out of Alabama might fit
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Speaker 1: what Jim Harbaugh is trying to build. And they already
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Speaker 1: have Forshawn Slater as a left tackle, so that might
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Speaker 1: be the first wildcard. JC Latham being taken to the
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Speaker 1: Chargers before Joe Alt and Joe Walt still being on
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Speaker 1: the board. I've heard that from a few teams that
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Speaker 1: if you look at what Greg Roman's offenses have been,
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Speaker 1: if you look at what Harbaugh has done, and if
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Speaker 1: you think about the Alabama connection that Ozzie Knewsome had
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Speaker 1: and now Joe Hortiz, who spent twenty eight years with
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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens now comes over and the Chargers, there's
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Speaker 1: an Alabama connection there. Could JC Latham go before Joe Alt?
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Speaker 1: That's something to watch. Okay, more stuff there. Would they
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Speaker 1: ever trade with the Raiders or the Broncos. Probably not.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to trade with those teams
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Speaker 1: and let them get a quarterback so that they can
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Speaker 1: play them twice a year and have to deal with
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Speaker 1: knowing that they gave their division rivals the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: have JJ McCarthy, which really limits the quarterback teams for
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Speaker 1: McCarthy to the five spot to the Vikings, and does
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Speaker 1: that give leverage to the Vikings? Think about the chess
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Speaker 1: game here now, if they're not going to trade with
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Speaker 1: the Raiders or the Broncos. And there have been trades
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Speaker 1: within the division in the NFL Draft before, like Jamison
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Speaker 1: Williams was traded from the Vikings to the Lions in
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Speaker 1: a draft, and I believe the Cowboys and Eagles did
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Speaker 1: one and the deal that got Devonte Smith like that
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Speaker 1: and Mark Micha Parsons. I think that was on Draft
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Speaker 1: Day and somehow those two teams did come to terms
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Speaker 1: to a trade. But I don't know when you're talking
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Speaker 1: about a quarterback, like would the Chargers on a silver
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Speaker 1: platter give the Broncos and Raiders a chance to get
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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. I don't see it. Just competitively. I don't
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Speaker 1: see Jim Harbaugh doing Sean Payton and the Broncos any
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Speaker 1: favors and handing JJ McCarthy over. So in that case,
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Speaker 1: it really becomes just the Vikings. Now, if you're the Vikings,
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Speaker 1: you have the eleven, the twenty three, you don't have
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Speaker 1: a second, you have a third, and then next year
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Speaker 1: I don't think you have a whole bounty of picks
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Speaker 1: that you can offer. So if you're the Vikings, is
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Speaker 1: it eleven and twenty three up to five for JJ? McCarthy. Well,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like that's the bare minimum of what the
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Speaker 1: Chargers would want. But if you're in Minnesota and you
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Speaker 1: already know that they're probably not going to trade with
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Speaker 1: the Broncos and the Raiders, it's a game of chicken.
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Speaker 1: It's like, who am I betting against? Here? Who am
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Speaker 1: I dealing against? And can I keep that twenty three
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Speaker 1: and just trade the eleven and something else and move
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Speaker 1: up six spots.
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Speaker 2: I haven't heard anyone talking about them keeping twenty three.
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Speaker 2: That's keeping twenty three.
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Speaker 1: They keep eleven, they trade eleven, they trade a future
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Speaker 1: bunch of picks, and they keep twenty three, so that
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Speaker 1: they have the five and the twenty three. They get
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Speaker 1: an offensive, they get their quarterback, and then they also
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Speaker 1: that's all. This is why the five spots so interesting,
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Speaker 1: which leads to six. I put in my first mock
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Speaker 1: draft that JJ McCarthy, who's gonna go to the Giants?
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Speaker 1: They're gonna trade up to get them. I've cooled down
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Speaker 1: a little bit on that, but I can tell you
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Speaker 1: they met with him again, Like they've had more meetings
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Speaker 1: with JJ McCarthy, and he's still very much a part
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Speaker 1: of it. At the end of the day. And I
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Speaker 1: made this point to Art Stapleton, who does the Giants
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Speaker 1: All in podcast. They spent their entire Easter weekend in
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Speaker 1: ann Arbor, and I say they I am in the brass.
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Speaker 1: So if they're going to vote all that time, and
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Speaker 1: they're gonna do it on the night before Easter and
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Speaker 1: then Easter Sunday and be away from their families, and
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Speaker 1: they're all out there like, that's not for us, smoke
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Speaker 1: screen so that we're doing mock drafts and we have
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Speaker 1: them take it, that's not it's because they're actually interested.
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Speaker 1: And JJ McCarthy did media today and they asked him
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Speaker 1: what team he's met the most with and his answer
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Speaker 1: was a New York Giant. So I think that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: Giants also interesting. Alt might be on the board, Neighbors
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Speaker 1: might be on the board. But I've got a little
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Speaker 1: wildcard to watch for the Giants, and that's Roma Dunsa
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Speaker 1: out of Washington. I'll say this a dounsay. Everyone who's
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Speaker 1: met him is like, he's got the best presence of
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Speaker 1: any of these guys. Walks in he's character. He's all
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Speaker 1: world human. And if you're the Giants and you've been
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Speaker 1: through Kadarius Tony as a first round pick, and you've
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Speaker 1: been through some other questionable ones over the years, and
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Speaker 1: yet and things ended with Odell the way they did,
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Speaker 1: and O'Dell's actually a fine human being. Is something about
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Speaker 1: Odell's character just didn't work. And you hear that o'donsay
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Speaker 1: is all world and is the most you know, selfless servant,
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Speaker 1: you know polite? Oh does that not sort of? I
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Speaker 1: give you a doonsay vibes over neighbors who doesn't have that?
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Speaker 1: Right up now, I'm not going to trash neighbors because
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Speaker 1: he might be the best wide receiver in this draft,
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Speaker 1: and for twenty nine of thirty two teams, he might
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Speaker 1: be the first guy on the board. Everyone's got neighbors.
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Speaker 1: Going to the Giants, I would just say, keep an
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Speaker 1: eye on the offensive tackle Joe Alt, remember Joe Shane
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Speaker 1: big Notre Dame fan growing up, there's Notre Dame tie there.
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Speaker 1: But also keep an eye on Roma Dunza for the Giants.
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Speaker 1: He screams mister giant to me from everything I hear,
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Speaker 1: and I think that one's interesting. Tennessee. We've heard everything
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Speaker 1: on Tennessee from Oh, they might they might like all
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Speaker 1: as their number one guy. They might like lath them
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Speaker 1: as their number one guy. And then I've heard a
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Speaker 1: lot of neighbors stuff. Now, look, they did bring in
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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, but if you give a wide receiver room
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Speaker 1: of DeAndre Hopkins, Calvin Ridley, and Martin Malik neighbors, watch
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Speaker 1: out seven Tennessee. They can't go wrong, or they can
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Speaker 1: trade back, and that might be the spot where a
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Speaker 1: team like Minnesota or Denver or Vegas trades up. Remember,
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Speaker 1: I don't think the Chargers trade with Denver, and I
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Speaker 1: don't think the Chargers trade with the Raiders. I just
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Speaker 1: don't see it happening. So if the Giants aren't a
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Speaker 1: team that's going to trade back there, the next team
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Speaker 1: up is Tennessee. It's a little easier to trade within
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Speaker 1: the conference than it would be the division, so that
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Speaker 1: might be a trade partner to watch. Eight Atlanta. Everything
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Speaker 1: I hear is pass rusher Dallas Turner out of Alabama
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Speaker 1: or lat too if his medical checks out. And then
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Speaker 1: late in the game, I've heard a little Byron Murphy smoke.
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Speaker 1: I would be surprised if it's not a defensive player.
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Speaker 1: At eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, that's where I
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Speaker 1: get all kind of wonky trade stuff going. And I
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Speaker 1: think we're going to go through this in part two
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Speaker 1: of this podcast. If you're going to click on part two,
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Speaker 1: which is my actual mock draft, I'm gonna give you
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Speaker 1: a bunch of names and where they all are kind
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Speaker 1: of jarbled up here. This is where you've got a
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Speaker 1: Doonsay could go, Neighbors could go, Bowers could go, Latham
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Speaker 1: could go, tell a yac Fu Wanga could go, McCarthy
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Speaker 1: could go, Penns could go. You've got this glob of
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, wide receiver and quarterbacks, and I think any
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Speaker 1: of the teams could be coming up and down, and
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Speaker 1: I'd keep an eye on guys, like, is this where
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis jumps up because other teams you know, loaded up
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Speaker 1: during freegency and they didn't. Is this where a Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: trades up because they lost out on Calvin Ridley? Like,
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Speaker 1: does Jacksonville move up and say we're gonna get brock
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Speaker 1: Bauers or Molak Neighbors the Broncos so they have to
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Speaker 1: move up a couple spots. If McCarthy starts slipping and
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Speaker 1: they want McCarthy, do the Broncos take bow Nicks. If
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Speaker 1: that's the case that they trade back a little bit, Tennessee,
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Speaker 1: what are they gonna do? And is the eleven team Minnesota?
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Speaker 1: Are they gonna be moving up down packaging not packaging.
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Speaker 1: I think that's where it gets really interesting. So tomorrow
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Speaker 1: night that'll be about nine picks in. I would say
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Speaker 1: around the Bears at nine is where it really gets spicy.
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Speaker 1: And then I just think it's an avalanche of trades
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Speaker 1: of teams going up and down trying to find what
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Speaker 1: they can get. Some notes on guys, all right, I
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Speaker 1: don't have a bo Knicks team at the moment. Broncos
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Speaker 1: would be that team. I just don't know if they
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Speaker 1: would take them at twelve. Other than that, I don't
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Speaker 1: know any other boon Knicks teams. I just think quarterback
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Speaker 1: need and what is in this draft? So bo Knicks
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Speaker 1: could be the twelfth overall pick to the Denver Broncos.
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Speaker 1: Bo Nicks could also be the Will Levis where he
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Speaker 1: doesn't get selected in the first round and we're just like,
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Speaker 1: how the hell did boon Knicks not get drafted. I
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Speaker 1: don't know where to do with bon Nicks. Raiders and
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Speaker 1: Seahawks are the two Michael Pennix teams. I keep hearing
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Speaker 1: about Raiders apparently had really good workouts with them. Thirteenth
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Speaker 1: overall pick seems like the right spot. He's the leader.
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Speaker 1: Da da Da da da Seattle. At sixteen Seattle their
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb was Pennix's offensive coordinator at the
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Speaker 1: University of Washington. That was Mike McDonald, the new hire
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Speaker 1: that was as higher as the OC. If anybody knows Pennox,
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Speaker 1: it's him. If he falls all the way to sixteen,
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Speaker 1: that's a cool fit. Like local guy stays in Seattle,
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Speaker 1: gets to go play for the Seahawks, and you know,
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Speaker 1: Gino's got one more year. He left to think on
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Speaker 1: the contract. But they did trade picks or a pick
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Speaker 1: to get Sam Howell, which makes it seem odd that
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Speaker 1: they would take a quarterback after trading draft capital to
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Speaker 1: get Sam Howell. So Pennix, Raiders and Seahawks bon Nicks.
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Speaker 1: I've got broncos. I'll say this now on this podcast.
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Speaker 1: It might make news. I don't think Rams are a
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Speaker 1: Bonnicks team as much as everyone is tying them together.
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Speaker 1: Unless Sneed played with bo Nix's father, Patrick Nicks, and
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Speaker 1: they were at Auburn together and that's a cool connection.
16:56
Speaker 1: And McVeigh obviously has been searching for a Stafford successor,
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Speaker 1: and whether it be Stetson Bennett last year or Jimmy
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Speaker 1: Garoppolo this year, or whatever else they've got, I just
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Speaker 1: don't think they're a first round quarterback team. And I
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Speaker 1: certainly don't think they're gonna move up to get Bo Nicks.
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Speaker 1: All right, Aaron, some more things. We haven't even talked about.
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Speaker 1: The defensive back position. I keep hearing the Eagles want
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Speaker 1: a defensive back, so I would circle them as a
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Speaker 1: potential trade up team. And the four dbs to look for,
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Speaker 1: and I think the order could vary from team to team,
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Speaker 1: But I think you got the two Alabama kids, Terry
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Speaker 1: and Arnold and kool Aid mckinstree. How I've been described,
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Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold was a red shirt sophomore, came in
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Speaker 1: as like a nickel guy and then evolved into one
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Speaker 1: of their top corners and is like all world amazing,
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Speaker 1: like you know, boy scout, the whole thing. Great. Then
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Speaker 1: you got kool Aid McKinstry, who is dealing with injury stuff,
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Speaker 1: but he is your flashier guy who maybe barks a
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Speaker 1: little bit more of that dog, you know, CB one mentality.
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Speaker 1: If you could have Dion as your kool Aid McKinstry,
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Speaker 1: then you could say Darryl Green is your Terryan Arnold
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Speaker 1: as far as demeanor and all that goes. Or maybe
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Speaker 1: nom the awesome Wall if you will, just like a
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Speaker 1: gentleman is what I'm describing as ARLs. So I want
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Speaker 1: to say those two guys and personalities are different, and
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Speaker 1: the abilities are different. And then you've got the kid
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Speaker 1: from Toledo, Quinean Mitchell, who will go top twenty. I
18:20
Speaker 1: think he's a superb athlete. He came out in a
18:25
Speaker 1: in an interview and said that he wanted to be
18:26
Speaker 1: the greatest MAC athlete, a MAC football player of all time.
18:29
Speaker 1: That's Jack Lambert, that's Antonio Gates, that's Ben Roethlisberger, that's
18:33
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. But no Quey and Mitchell is saying that's me.
18:38
Speaker 1: And then the last defensive back would be the wild
18:40
Speaker 1: card in this thing. I don't know what to do
18:42
Speaker 1: with Cooper Dejeen Aaron. Have you seen Cooper dejean basketball
18:48
Speaker 1: footage highlights yet? No?
18:49
Speaker 2: I haven't watched his basketball play.
18:51
Speaker 1: Oh Man went to a school of I think a
18:54
Speaker 1: thousand people in the town total in the school. It's
18:59
Speaker 1: one of those where they had to combine like eight
19:01
Speaker 1: different high schools to make a team. And he was
19:04
Speaker 1: obviously All World Football, All World Beast Ketball. Do you
19:07
Speaker 1: have the high school on there? Let's let's give it
19:09
Speaker 1: some love here. Cooper Dejane's high school is called you'll
19:14
Speaker 1: like this one and then we're gonna go.
19:16
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:17
Speaker 1: So his high school was called OA BCIG, which was
19:21
Speaker 1: like one of those combinations. Give me his hometown where
19:24
Speaker 1: he's from, the town of a thousand because I think
19:26
Speaker 1: we're gonna put it on the map in this podcast.
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Speaker 1: Cooper Degene, uh suit Falls, No, it's not suit Falls.
19:33
Speaker 1: He might have been born there. Where did he grow up?
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Speaker 2: Odiball?
19:36
Speaker 1: There we go. Tell me about Odaball.
19:38
Speaker 2: Read me a little wiki on odobl Oh, gosh it,
19:44
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's anything about Odoblt.
19:46
Speaker 1: I want the Odobault town of Okay. We're going to Odabolt, Iowa.
19:50
Speaker 2: The website population as of the twenty twenty census was
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Speaker 2: nine hundred and ninety four people.
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Speaker 1: Nine hundred and ninety four people in the entire town,
19:59
Speaker 1: and Cooper Degene comes from that town in Iowa. It's
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Speaker 1: just farmland, folks. It's it's incredible.
20:06
Speaker 2: Sping picture on their town website is literally farmland. And
20:11
Speaker 2: the second is a tractor parade, a tractor. As someone
20:13
Speaker 2: who grew up in a very small town that also
20:15
Speaker 2: had tractor parades, I know how important it is to
20:18
Speaker 2: have a tractor parade when you're a small town, and
20:20
Speaker 2: it is a sign of being a small town.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what we're We're on the website right now.
20:25
Speaker 1: There is there is nothing to love about Odaball, Iowa.
20:29
Speaker 1: This looks lovely.
20:30
Speaker 2: This looks very much like Friday night lights would be
20:33
Speaker 2: said here. I mean, you've got like the water tower
20:36
Speaker 2: with the town name on it. You got these picturesque
20:38
Speaker 2: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Once in a hundred years you'll get a star athlete
20:42
Speaker 1: in one of these towns. Yeah, that's Cooper de Gene.
20:45
Speaker 1: Notable resident. Yeah, Jason, give me some notable residents who
20:49
Speaker 1: we got one of one. Iowa Hawk Outs star cornerback
20:53
Speaker 1: Cooper Degene. That's it. That's it. And and I think
20:56
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. I don't. I don't know
20:58
Speaker 1: where to put him. I think somewhere twenty to thirty two,
21:00
Speaker 1: But like, those are your four corners. So think of
21:02
Speaker 1: those guys and Cooper maybe being the second round guy. Like,
21:06
Speaker 1: if that's the case and you need a defensive back,
21:09
Speaker 1: teams are going to be trading. So I've got like
21:12
Speaker 1: a lot of teams wanted to move up to get
21:13
Speaker 1: those three guys. And I think kool Aid's very interesting
21:17
Speaker 1: because he didn't blow anybody at the combine or Pro
21:21
Speaker 1: Day or any of that stuff, and if you watch
21:23
Speaker 1: the film, he's there all right. Some other interesting names.
21:36
Speaker 1: I think after the big three, the wide receivers get
21:38
Speaker 1: really interesting. So I think Rome, Neighbors, and Harrison go
21:43
Speaker 1: in the top twelve. Let's be generouslet's say top twelve.
21:46
Speaker 1: Then you've got Brian Thomas at LSU. You got Xavier
21:49
Speaker 1: Worthy the Burner out of Texas. Who is the combine
21:52
Speaker 1: workout where You've got ad Mitchell out of Texas. You've
21:55
Speaker 1: got Lad McConkie, you got Xavier Legette, and you look
22:00
Speaker 1: at Keon Coleman at a Florida State kind of a
22:02
Speaker 1: bigger body. I think those are your wide receiver names
22:07
Speaker 1: that would go in the first round. You might have
22:09
Speaker 1: another guy, you might have a Ricky Piersoll, you might
22:12
Speaker 1: have Franklin, Troy Franklin. I think those guys are probably secondard.
22:15
Speaker 1: But what's interesting is this in that twenty to thirty two,
22:20
Speaker 1: You've got Steelers who might need a wide receiver. You've
22:23
Speaker 1: got Lions who might need a wide receiver. You've got
22:27
Speaker 1: the Cowboys who might need a wide receiver. You've got
22:30
Speaker 1: an Arizona Cardinals team that's probably taken a wide out
22:34
Speaker 1: at four, but like, if they can get two wideouts,
22:36
Speaker 1: they'll be their top one and two wide outs. Buffalo
22:39
Speaker 1: definitely needs a wide receiver. Baltimore could be in wide
22:42
Speaker 1: receiver zone because of Odell's departure. Forty nine Ers could
22:47
Speaker 1: be wide receiver. Rams could be wide receiver. And then
22:49
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's really interesting. Thirty three are the
22:52
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. They're likely going to take a receiver. They
22:55
Speaker 1: have no receiving you help whatever. If you jump thirty
22:58
Speaker 1: three and you get to thirty two, you get that
23:01
Speaker 1: wide receiver for five years, not four. So you get
23:05
Speaker 1: them under contract for five years, which is a really
23:08
Speaker 1: interesting prospect. And so you look at teams who might
23:11
Speaker 1: have wide receiver needs and say, okay, take someone else.
23:15
Speaker 1: You know, say the Patriots, for example, they need a quarterback,
23:19
Speaker 1: but they're desperate at wide receiver. Do they take a
23:21
Speaker 1: quarterback at three and then trade back up to thirty two?
23:25
Speaker 1: Very possible if you're the Jets and you don't want
23:28
Speaker 1: to Now the Jets wouldn't be the right team for
23:31
Speaker 1: the Giants and you want to go quarterback and say
23:33
Speaker 1: we're taking McCarthy or alt but okay, we're going to
23:36
Speaker 1: jump back in we get five years of Xavier Lagett
23:38
Speaker 1: or five years of a d Mitchell. That could be
23:41
Speaker 1: all right too. So I would circle that Kansas City
23:44
Speaker 1: Chiefs thirty second pick, and I would say that might
23:46
Speaker 1: be the spot where a team moves up to get
23:48
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. A couple other little pieces of gossip
23:52
Speaker 1: that I've been hearing. I think that Philly might be
23:56
Speaker 1: moving around. I think that Jacksonville might be moving around.
23:59
Speaker 1: I think Indie might be moving around. And here's one
24:03
Speaker 1: that just as we're getting onto the mics, I think
24:06
Speaker 1: Detroit might be looking to move around. Now they made
24:09
Speaker 1: two big signings or extensions today. I'm on Rossin Brown
24:11
Speaker 1: and Penny Sue. Well, now I love it. We're in Detroit.
24:14
Speaker 1: They like hold it till a day before the draft.
24:16
Speaker 1: Little news, little buzzler momentum. They could have done that
24:19
Speaker 1: deal in the last several weeks, but they waited till
24:21
Speaker 1: draft week while we're all here. But I find that
24:23
Speaker 1: interesting to hear that Detroit's been making calls just to hear,
24:26
Speaker 1: just to poke around, what do they need. Well, Detroit
24:30
Speaker 1: could use a defensive end. Detroit could use a defensive back. Obviously,
24:34
Speaker 1: they've had some issues, you know, with the back end there,
24:38
Speaker 1: and there's been some departures this season, and one of
24:40
Speaker 1: those players is having some legal stuff. So maybe it's
24:43
Speaker 1: for one of the top corners. Interesting to watch running backs,
24:49
Speaker 1: I don't see a single running back in the first round.
24:53
Speaker 1: I guess Bijeon went first round last year and Gibbs
24:55
Speaker 1: went first round. I don't even know if there's a
24:58
Speaker 1: running back in the first fifty picks. To be honest,
25:01
Speaker 1: I would say Marshawn Lloyd or Jonathan brook So the
25:05
Speaker 1: top two running backs. But like that, it's not even
25:06
Speaker 1: a position I'm considering right now. Safety not a position
25:10
Speaker 1: I'm considering right now. Linebacker. There's some love for Colson
25:15
Speaker 1: out of Michigan. Not a first rounder. I don't think
25:20
Speaker 1: my whole deal is like I want to get as
25:22
Speaker 1: many first round picks, right, So that's not direct HiT's necessarily,
25:26
Speaker 1: but I'd like to give you the idea of like,
25:27
Speaker 1: all right, if I get twenty two or twenty five
25:30
Speaker 1: or twenty eight of the thirty two first round picks,
25:32
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. I don't see any running backs. I
25:34
Speaker 1: don't see any pure safeties. I don't see any linebackers
25:38
Speaker 1: middle linebackers. I would have been wrong because I didn't
25:40
Speaker 1: have Jack Campbell last year. And then I'm not sure
25:46
Speaker 1: other than Brock Bowers if we're going to even smell
25:49
Speaker 1: a tight end up top. Rock Bowers is interesting, another
25:53
Speaker 1: name I've heard tied to a million teams, and yet
25:56
Speaker 1: when you're doing a mock draft, if you don't have
25:58
Speaker 1: him to the Jets, like it's hard to place him.
26:01
Speaker 1: The two players that I've been told to have been
26:03
Speaker 1: the cleanest prospects by cleanest meaning character, health, everything A
26:09
Speaker 1: Doonesday and Brock Bowers. Both those guys are really interesting.
26:16
Speaker 1: Team that I would watch to see what they do
26:20
Speaker 1: if there's a quarterback slipping is the Denver Broncos. Do
26:27
Speaker 1: they trade back into the first round? If they pass
26:29
Speaker 1: on a McCarthy or a Knicks and one of them
26:33
Speaker 1: is still sitting there with there be Pennix or Nicks.
26:36
Speaker 1: They don't have a ton of ammunition. But I think
26:38
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, looking at his quarterback room, could go to
26:41
Speaker 1: war with Zach Wilson and convince himself that Zach Wilson
26:43
Speaker 1: and Jared Stidham and then Denucie co compete. But I
26:47
Speaker 1: think you feel a lot better if you ended up
26:48
Speaker 1: getting Bo Nicks or a Spencer Rattler in the second round,
26:51
Speaker 1: even a name that's been buzzing a bit, Byron Murphy
26:56
Speaker 1: out of Texas. I originally had him going eighteen to
26:59
Speaker 1: Cincinnati in my first mock dround. I think he was
27:00
Speaker 1: higher than that. That was some of the feedback I got,
27:05
Speaker 1: And then I would just go through the tackles and
27:07
Speaker 1: one of those guys is going to be the first
27:09
Speaker 1: one taken. It's either going to be Alt Fuaga or
27:13
Speaker 1: this JC Latham, who, as we're recording this, I'm telling
27:16
Speaker 1: you has got more heat than maybe any other player
27:18
Speaker 1: in this draft. I just keep on hearing his name
27:19
Speaker 1: come up. Oulu Fashanu at a Penn State has a
27:24
Speaker 1: lot of fans. I think he's a guy who could
27:26
Speaker 1: play left tackle, which is helpful. Would consider him a
27:29
Speaker 1: top twenty pick for sure. Troy Fatanu out of Washington.
27:34
Speaker 1: Not sure his health is everything that everyone wants. I've
27:38
Speaker 1: heard some questions on that. I'm trying to spell his
27:43
Speaker 1: name right here. Faugh new the auto correct on my
27:49
Speaker 1: word document keeps on changing these guys' names. I'm like, no,
27:52
Speaker 1: those are the real names. Relax. Amarus Mims is a
27:56
Speaker 1: name to watch. Giant, massive offensive tackle out of Georgia.
28:03
Speaker 1: Doesn't necessarily have the tape or what you want, like,
28:06
Speaker 1: that's the upside guy. And then the last one I
28:09
Speaker 1: would The two last ones I would circle is we
28:14
Speaker 1: got an NFL head coach Colin right now, but we
28:16
Speaker 1: can't pick that up on the podcast. We'll call him
28:18
Speaker 1: back in a second. The other two would be Geiton
28:22
Speaker 1: and Jordan Morgan who plays at Arizona. Those are your
28:28
Speaker 1: first round prospects. You know you can go through the list.
28:31
Speaker 1: Graham Barton, the inside guy at a duke. Darius Robinson
28:35
Speaker 1: out of Missouri chop. Robinson's a name, the guy who's falling,
28:40
Speaker 1: and I hate it for him because I think he's
28:41
Speaker 1: a great kid, and I've seen him do the media tour.
28:43
Speaker 1: I think Lotso is gonna fall. I had him going
28:46
Speaker 1: top twelve in my first mock draft. I think he
28:48
Speaker 1: ends up going in the twenties. The medicals just are
28:50
Speaker 1: not as clean as everyone feeling comfortable. Seems like it
28:53
Speaker 1: all you need is one team, like he can go
28:55
Speaker 1: eighth to Atlanta and I wimb shock. But you know
28:57
Speaker 1: what happened. He was medically retired with a neck injury
29:00
Speaker 1: all season or draft season along. I've been told by everyone,
29:04
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Well, the day for
29:06
Speaker 1: the draft, I don't know if you're taking a guy
29:08
Speaker 1: who was madic. I mean, just sucks to hear that.
29:10
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's fallen out of the first round.
29:11
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's going top eight or top twelve.
29:17
Speaker 1: Before we get to my mock drafts on part two?
29:19
Speaker 1: Is there anything? Oh, there's a guy Newton out of Illinois.
29:22
Speaker 1: I didn't have him defensive tackle. I didn't have him
29:26
Speaker 1: in my first round. And I heard it from every fan,
29:28
Speaker 1: but did not hear it from NFL teams. So that
29:30
Speaker 1: tells me that, like I might be less far off
29:33
Speaker 1: on that maybe Newton goes, maybe he doesn't. But to
29:36
Speaker 1: not have Newton from Illinois in the first round, it's
29:38
Speaker 1: not like I missed on like a top ten pick
29:40
Speaker 1: or anything. Pennix, like I said, two teams Nicks, I
29:45
Speaker 1: only could think of the Broncos, and I think of
29:49
Speaker 1: the Vikings miss quarterback in the top ten and McCarthy
29:52
Speaker 1: gets taken like I think they could take at eleven
29:55
Speaker 1: Penix and be okay. I would say this as we
29:57
Speaker 1: wrap this little notes emptying session. From what I hear
30:03
Speaker 1: and from what it sounds like, Minnesota is closer. How
30:08
Speaker 1: do I put this, Minnesota might look at JJ McCarthy
30:13
Speaker 1: closer to Pennix than they do Drake May, meaning the
30:18
Speaker 1: Drake May might be their first you know, their their
30:21
Speaker 1: love affair, and it's not like McCarthy's right after him.
30:23
Speaker 1: I think there's a drop off, and then it's McCarthy
30:26
Speaker 1: and there's less of a drop off, and then Pennix.
30:28
Speaker 1: That's how I would order it for them. So that's
30:30
Speaker 1: where I'm at at three or three thirty. I hope
30:33
Speaker 1: that was exciting for everyone listening. As you're on the treadmill,
30:35
Speaker 1: I would encourage you then to now click on part two,
30:39
Speaker 1: which is going to be coming out as well, which
30:41
Speaker 1: is where I'm coming out in my mock draft as
30:43
Speaker 1: of four o'clock Eastern on Wednesday. And of course whatever's
30:49
Speaker 1: printed on NFL dot Com on Thursday morning and I
30:52
Speaker 1: present on Good Morning Football might be different because it
30:55
Speaker 1: might have changed based on until I've gotten over the
30:57
Speaker 1: last few hours. But this is my my empty of
31:01
Speaker 1: the notebook. Like I said, I think it could be
31:03
Speaker 1: six quarterbacks taken. I wouldn't be shocked if it was
31:05
Speaker 1: just five. I think there's going to be ten or
31:09
Speaker 1: so trades made in this draft, and I think there
31:12
Speaker 1: are going to be some wild, wild moves going on
31:17
Speaker 1: from about nine to fourteen. That includes the Jets, that
31:21
Speaker 1: includes the Broncos, that includes the Vikings, that includes the Bears.
31:25
Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's just going to be chalk,
31:28
Speaker 1: So take with that what you will. Everybody, finish up
31:31
Speaker 1: your session on the treadmill or your drive or wherever.
31:35
Speaker 2: Else, or your match of call of duty.
31:38
Speaker 1: You'aying I'm a Minecraft guy?
31:40
Speaker 2: Oh?
31:40
Speaker 1: Never never played Minecraft? Yeah?
31:42
Speaker 2: I have not either.
31:43
Speaker 1: Are you into the shoot them up game?
31:44
Speaker 2: No? I am notoriously horrible at any first person kind
31:48
Speaker 2: of thing.
31:48
Speaker 1: What about Twitch?
31:49
Speaker 2: You ever watched anyone play video over pandemic? I watched
31:53
Speaker 2: some people play among Us and great people play. I
31:58
Speaker 2: actually watched people play mad in one teacher one time
32:01
Speaker 2: one time.
32:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like, So let me ask you about
32:04
Speaker 1: among Us? Is that did they take among Us and
32:07
Speaker 1: then make the HBO show based on among Us? Yes?
32:11
Speaker 2: You thinking about Last of Us?
32:13
Speaker 1: Yes?
32:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's among Us is like a cute kids
32:16
Speaker 2: game where like you're on a spaceship and right different game.
32:20
Speaker 2: Last of Us is like the gritty zombie post apocalyptic thing.
32:23
Speaker 1: Got it one last thing before we wrap it up?
32:26
Speaker 1: How dumb? Sorry? How do I put this?
32:31
Speaker 2: Good start? Interested to see where this goes?
32:37
Speaker 1: As an NBA fan, You're gonna put Nick Sixers and
32:42
Speaker 1: Nuggets Lakers on Thursday night up against the NFL Draft, Like,
32:46
Speaker 1: can you wait at night? Can you take Can the
32:48
Speaker 1: NBA have some foresight on this and say, you know what,
32:51
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft is a big deal. ESPN is a partner,
32:55
Speaker 1: the NFL network is gonna be airing, Like, I'm devastated.
32:59
Speaker 1: I can't watch my Knicks play the Sixers Game three
33:03
Speaker 1: and I just see the schedule it's a loaded NBA night,
33:05
Speaker 1: and it's like, guys, I'm not asking you to put
33:08
Speaker 1: up a white flag here, but maybe just play that
33:10
Speaker 1: game Friday night of Night two as opposed to going
33:13
Speaker 1: up against the Jets and the Giants with top ten picks.
33:16
Speaker 2: Especially when you have huge storylines around each one. The
33:20
Speaker 2: Knicks game, like, I mean, the Knicks beating Embiid would
33:24
Speaker 2: be amazing.
33:25
Speaker 1: Whatever, that's amazing series that you can't That's how do
33:28
Speaker 1: you ask a Knicks fan Because a Knicks fan is
33:30
Speaker 1: obviously gonna watch the Knicks and watch it, but they're
33:32
Speaker 1: also a Jets and Gizon. Then you've got Denver and
33:35
Speaker 1: the Lakers.
33:36
Speaker 2: And especially after Lebron's tantrum last ye, Yeah, that's a
33:41
Speaker 2: wild night to.
33:42
Speaker 1: Be Uh, maybe we wait on the schedule. Maybe we
33:45
Speaker 1: just say, like, hey, out of respect, were the broadcast
33:47
Speaker 1: partner airs the NFL Draft, We're just gonna kick it.
33:51
Speaker 1: You know, baseball for years didn't play on like Memorial Day.
33:54
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's my take, guys, All right, click
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33:59
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