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The Kenny Report | 3 August · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to New Week on the Kenny Report. I'm Steve Price,
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Speaker 2: Chris on assignment today, but don't worry, he'll be back
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Speaker 2: with you tomorrow. He's what's coming up tonight. One Nation
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Speaker 2: has chosen the start of August to make some major
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Speaker 2: lineup and candidate announcements. That happened in Melbourne late today
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Speaker 2: and there's supposed to be a protest claiming that Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson is racist and a fascist. Not much has changed
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Speaker 2: on the podcast front during the three decades leading the party.
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Speaker 2: More on that shortly. Victoria's new Premier, Ben Carroll Well,
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Speaker 2: he enters the second week in the job with ministerial
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Speaker 2: reshuffle on the cards. That's going to happen tomorrow awarding
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Speaker 2: his supporters. But the big question is can he really
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Speaker 2: make a difference to an out of control law and
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Speaker 2: order issue and guarantee former Premiers Daniel Anders and Jisin
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Speaker 2: to Allen will front the promised Royal Commission and big
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Speaker 2: bill corruption. Deputy Liberal Leader David Southweitk will join me
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Speaker 2: in the studio. Plus the war in the Middle East
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Speaker 2: another day. Another Donald Trump promise of a massive attack
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Speaker 2: comes to nothing as the Iranians threaten neighboring Arab states.
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Speaker 2: News twenty four Defense analyst Peter Jennings will join me
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Speaker 2: as well, but first but first, as I mentioned, with
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Speaker 2: wa by election due later this month and the Victorian
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Speaker 2: state election less now than four months away, plus New
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Speaker 2: South Wales going to the polls in March next year,
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Speaker 2: One Nation, still leading in some polls as the most
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Speaker 2: popular political party in the nation, has started to bolster
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Speaker 2: not only backroom campaigning staff, but also announcing a range
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Speaker 2: of Upper House candidates for the Victorian election. James Ashby,
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Speaker 2: regular on this program and elsewhere on Sky and seen
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Speaker 2: as the Svengali behind the latest popularity of One Nation,
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Speaker 2: with of course the indefecutable Pauline Hanson herself. Well, he's
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Speaker 2: been promoted. He's been promoted to have to say, from
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Speaker 2: chief of staff role to party director, according to the
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Speaker 2: Australian newspaper Today. They also report that Hanson and Ashby
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Speaker 2: have managed to recruit a former senior advisor to Liberal
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Speaker 2: PM Scott Morrison, a blow called Chris Taylor, who will
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Speaker 2: fill the old Ashby role. Now the filling of senior
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Speaker 2: roles and indeed candidates with ex Liberals is to be expected.
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Speaker 2: A lot of coalition connected members have increasingly become disillusioned,
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Speaker 2: either with the broader party or the current leader, Angus Taylor,
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Speaker 2: and the federal Liberals continue to delude themselves that if necessary,
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Speaker 2: they would not do a deal with Hanson's One Nation.
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Speaker 2: He forced into a position of say minority government in
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Speaker 2: either Victoria, New South Wales indeed federally. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: can't convince me that when push comes to shove, that
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Speaker 2: would not happen in the best interests of Australians who
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Speaker 2: want to see, particularly the back of the Victorian Labor
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Speaker 2: government after twelve years, or the alban Easy government that
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Speaker 2: is currently drawing property prices right around Australia with their
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Speaker 2: tax attacks on investors. But here was Deputy Liberal Leader
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Speaker 2: Jane Hume yesterday on your ABC.
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Speaker 3: I've said that we are no plans, no intention. There
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Speaker 3: is no plans to have a coalition with one Nation.
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Speaker 4: That is our commitment.
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Speaker 3: We are already in coalition. We plan to govern as
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Speaker 3: a coalition, as a Liberal national coalition, as we have
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Speaker 3: done for eighty years.
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Speaker 2: You need to note they're the word coalition in both
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Speaker 2: of those responses. I mean the obvious question to Senator Hume,
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Speaker 2: or the obvious follow up question should have been, okay,
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Speaker 2: forget a coalition? Will you rule out doing a minority
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Speaker 2: government deal, not a formal coalition deal if you need
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Speaker 2: the numbers to govern? Mean, I reckon she would dodge
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Speaker 2: and weave.
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Speaker 4: But remember what.
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard did with Rob Oakshot, Tony Windsor and Bob Katta.
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Speaker 2: What a disaster that or was when she could not
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Speaker 2: rule in her own right. As I said, a total disaster,
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Speaker 2: but a reality. And if Taylor and Hume need one nation,
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Speaker 2: that's surely what's going to happen. I mean, how else
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Speaker 2: can you explain? The response from another senior liberal last
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Speaker 2: week on the Today Show, Senator Andrew Bragg.
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Speaker 5: We would definitely work out whoever would be interested in
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Speaker 5: being in a coalition with us, if that's what the
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Speaker 5: numbers were. Of course, not crazy. If the numbers were
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Speaker 5: the numbers and we had to be in coalition with others,
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Speaker 5: then of course we would be.
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Speaker 2: Pragmatic, insensible. And that's exactly what I'm saying. Now I'm
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Speaker 2: catching up in a moment with senior Liberal James McGrath,
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Speaker 2: who always strikes me as being measured and a practical
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Speaker 2: sort of guy, and we'll see what he has to say.
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Speaker 2: I mean this reluctance by the Liberals to admit that
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Speaker 2: they might need to seek one Nation's help is understandable.
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Speaker 2: I mean they are caught between a rock and a
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Speaker 2: hard place if they over commit and say sure we'd
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Speaker 2: work together with one nation, and then some one nation
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Speaker 2: random one nation candidate goes rogue like has happened in
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Speaker 2: the past, it says something way out there. Well, they'd
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Speaker 2: be caught up in all of the nightmare of those comments.
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Speaker 2: But the Libs need to tread carefully. As it stands,
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Speaker 2: the most popular opposition party federally is not the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: It is One Nation, and pole after poll all year
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Speaker 2: has told us the same story. In the end, it
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Speaker 2: might be One Nation offering the Liberals a chance to
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Speaker 2: join a one nation government. This was caused Samaras from
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Speaker 2: Redbridge on News twenty four earlier.
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Speaker 6: Today, Labor has lost primary votes mainly to One Nation,
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Speaker 6: and it's largely as Wich just touched on out of
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Speaker 6: suburbs of large cities, but mainly those regional pockets like
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Speaker 6: the Hunter in New South Wales. So Labour could still
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Speaker 6: lose a bundle of seats mainly to One Nation, so
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Speaker 6: its biggest opponent is exactly that, and that is Pauline
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Speaker 6: Henson and the damage is doing to them in those areas.
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Speaker 2: That poll was today in the Financial Review. Now, as
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Speaker 2: a Liberal, I'd be very careful what you wish for.
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Speaker 2: Paulin has a long memory, including serving time in jail
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Speaker 2: thanks to the Liberal Party. And just an update, we
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Speaker 2: will try and cross to that One Nation fundraiser it's
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Speaker 2: happening in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne to see how
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Speaker 2: that protest is unfolding. Earlier, an announcement on Victorian Upper
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Speaker 2: House candidates that included a former Liberal MP, a former
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Speaker 2: Protection officer who guarded Dan Andrews during COVID, and Kenny
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Speaker 2: regular Mark Nicholson of the Please Explain Cartoon series. An
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Speaker 2: interesting lineup to say the least. Now, okay, As I
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Speaker 2: said at the top of the program, One Nation is
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Speaker 2: making a series of announcements about candidates today, principally for
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Speaker 2: Victoria's Upper House. You can see the tactics there. If
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Speaker 2: they can get the numbers to hold the balance of
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Speaker 2: power in the Upper House, they have a very big
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Speaker 2: hand to deal as I said, that red Bridge poll
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Speaker 2: in the finn Review today again has Hanson's party as
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Speaker 2: the most popular in the nation, joining me in our
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Speaker 2: shadow Special Minister of State James McGrath. Recent polling also
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Speaker 2: showing improvement for the coalition. The nation's mood seems to
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Speaker 2: be galvanizing against Labor federally, but especially James here in Victoria.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Victoria's is looking good for the coalition. I think
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Speaker 7: Jess Wilson has done a very good job of bringing
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Speaker 7: together the Liberal Party and obviously they've had a pretty
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Speaker 7: messy history over the last few years, but Jess visited
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Speaker 7: every of the eighty eight seats just recently. She's got
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Speaker 7: the team, she's got the plan and you just look
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Speaker 7: at the mess that Labor is with that very botched
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Speaker 7: assassination of just seeing to Alan last week.
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Speaker 4: So Victoria, yes, he is good.
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Speaker 7: The rest of the country is on a case by
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Speaker 7: case base. You just have to look Queensland, although I'm
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Speaker 7: in Darwin at the moment.
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Speaker 4: But look at Darwin.
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Speaker 7: You look at the CLP, the work that live and
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Speaker 7: not there and her government doing that in Queensland with
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Speaker 7: David Christoph.
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Speaker 4: Fully, they are still pretty much on the ropes there.
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Speaker 2: What's the mcgrav view on doing deals with one Nation?
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Speaker 4: I take the John Howard approach on this.
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Speaker 7: I think that the Green should be last, labor second last,
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Speaker 7: and then on a case by case basis, because as
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Speaker 7: you pointed out in your editorial, one nation sometimes do
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Speaker 7: choose candidates who may not be of the best character.
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Speaker 7: So that'll be up to party organization to go through
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Speaker 7: each seat and say yes in this case.
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Speaker 4: Will spot preferences.
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Speaker 7: Remember that though the thing for the Liberal Party and
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Speaker 7: the National Party, it's actually not where our preferences go.
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Speaker 7: We've got to lift our primary vote. And this is
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Speaker 7: the main argument that everyone is missing at the moment,
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Speaker 7: because what happens in eighteen months time with an election
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Speaker 7: with where the preferences go. Well, I come from a
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Speaker 7: different approach. Let's just focus on what people are saying
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Speaker 7: to us. Let's just bring forward the policies that they
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Speaker 7: want to hear in terms of fixing the issues.
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Speaker 4: Of whether it's migration or housing.
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Speaker 7: Cutting taxes, and have that sustained campaign for eighteen months
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Speaker 7: and lift our primary vote and then it becomes a
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Speaker 7: relevant in a way in terms of where preferences go.
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Speaker 2: You reckon, you have eighteen months, James. I mean there's
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Speaker 2: some chatter going around about the temptation for Anthony Alberanesi
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Speaker 2: to go to an early election earlier than when it's scheduled.
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Speaker 7: The one thing we've worked with the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 7: whatever he says today is a lie because this guy
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Speaker 7: will not tell the truth. And I'm going to say it,
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Speaker 7: Anthony Albanizi is a liar. He's a big fat liar.
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Speaker 7: He has lied his entire life in politics. Do not
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Speaker 7: believe a word he says. I'm happy for him to
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Speaker 7: see me and the truth will be my defense here.
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Speaker 7: So if he says we're not going to go to
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Speaker 7: an early election in August, We're going to go to
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Speaker 7: an early election in August. He is lied consistently. But
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Speaker 7: I would hope that this government does serve the full
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Speaker 7: term because the business community certainly won't want confidence and
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Speaker 7: they don't want the Labor Party playing politics with the
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Speaker 7: Australian economy, which is in a lot of trouble at
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Speaker 7: the moment because of the mismanagement of the by the
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Speaker 7: Labor hearting by Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 2: Liar is a harsh word, but he certainly breaks promises
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Speaker 2: and doesn't seem to have any problem doing that. I
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Speaker 2: mean the latest example of that was a year ago
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Speaker 2: he said to the people at Gama up there where
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Speaker 2: you are in the territory, that I'll be back every year.
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Speaker 2: Trust me, I'm going to be here. Well he wasn't
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Speaker 2: there this year because he's on holidays.
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Speaker 4: Exact exactly. That's the late. He is a liar.
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Speaker 7: Okay, this guy tells lies. He said a year ago,
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Speaker 7: as you put it out, I'm going to be there
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Speaker 7: at a year's time. I promise you did that. The
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Speaker 7: Scouts on a dim div dabdob and not here on holiday.
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Speaker 7: He's promised he would lead a very accountab on transparent government.
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Speaker 7: It's clearly not Luke Gosling is the local Labor MP here.
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Speaker 7: This guy should be stood side from his position as
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Speaker 7: a special envoy. When similar allegations were aired against Coalition
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Speaker 7: members Peter Darton and Scott Morrison, step stood those people aside.
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Speaker 7: I'm thinking of Andrew Laming, I'm thinking of David Van
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Speaker 7: this guy. Look, Gosling has been charged and yet the
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Speaker 7: Labor Party of running a protection racket around him. We
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Speaker 7: can go to the twurdred and seventy five dollars power bills.
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Speaker 7: Hands up those watching this program who think their power
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Speaker 7: bills have gone down by children and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 4: No one's putting their hands up at home. This guy
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Speaker 4: is a liar.
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Speaker 7: It comes down to character, it comes down to strength,
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Speaker 7: and ALBERNIZI actually has neither of those.
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Speaker 2: What about this odd excuse about Gosling that ah, look,
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Speaker 2: he's not on the front bench, he's not a minister,
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Speaker 2: he's just an envoy. Well that says a couple of things.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what's the point of having the envoy if
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Speaker 2: they've got no currency within the government anyway? And is
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Speaker 2: that really an excuse for not standing this bloke down
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Speaker 2: until the investigations complete.
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Speaker 4: It's not an excuse at all.
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Speaker 7: And if you say these envoys do an important role,
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Speaker 7: and Luke Gosling is Special Envoy for Northern Australia and Veterans,
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Speaker 7: I think someone who is an envoy for veterans it
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Speaker 7: should be an important job and they should be someone
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Speaker 7: who is serious.
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Speaker 4: That this guy is.
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Speaker 7: He may not be a bit of an executive, but
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Speaker 7: he has this important role. Charges have been laid against
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Speaker 7: him if he had any respect for himself or for
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Speaker 7: the communities that he purports to represent, particularly the veterans community.
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Speaker 4: He should step aside.
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Speaker 7: I'm thinking I'll go back to when Andrew Lamming was
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Speaker 7: chair of the Economics Committee.
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Speaker 4: Labor through a lot of a lot of dust and
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Speaker 4: a lot of dirt at.
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Speaker 7: The Liberal Party because of Andrew Lamming holding onto that
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Speaker 7: position he was a committee chair. This guy's a special envoy.
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Speaker 7: He gets extra money, he gets extra staff. He should
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Speaker 7: step aside. He should respect the position he holds and
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Speaker 7: stand down.
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Speaker 2: James, thank you for joining us from Darwin. I mean,
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Speaker 2: James makes a very good point there. What do you
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Speaker 2: think would happen to anyone in private enterprise who was
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Speaker 2: involved with allegations against them, charges against them that they
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Speaker 2: hadn't been involved in an event like Gosling has been
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Speaker 2: alleged to be involved in. You wouldn't have your job
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Speaker 2: for five minutes.
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Speaker 4: Anyway.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on.
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Speaker 4: Midnight.
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Speaker 2: Last night petrol and diesel XIS discounts disappeared. As we
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Speaker 2: all know, anyone who went like I did to a
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Speaker 2: service station today, we of course benefited to the tune
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Speaker 2: of thirty two cents a lead first up, and then
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Speaker 2: it was cut back to sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Cents a leader.
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Speaker 2: Then midnight last night those discounts absolutely disappeared. I mean
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Speaker 2: they're all around the supply of fuel, petrol and diesel
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Speaker 2: out through the Holmos Straits and into Australia. Now we
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Speaker 2: keep getting told by the government that we've got enough supply,
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Speaker 2: but it doesn't look like this Middle East conflict is
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Speaker 2: going to end any time soon on those prices. By
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Speaker 2: the way, I saw diesel back at two dollars fifty
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Speaker 2: eliter regular unleaded? Is that just under two dollars? So
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Speaker 2: where are we at with this conflict? Joining me now
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Speaker 2: News twenty four Defense analyst Peter Jennings, who's in camera,
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Speaker 2: Peter Goodsey again Donald Trump. He's announced that new negotiations
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Speaker 2: with Iran are expected to commence tomorrow our time. Can
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Speaker 2: we believe that.
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Speaker 8: It's a bit like watching a tennis match, Steve, where
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Speaker 8: everyone's head sort of swings from one side of the
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Speaker 8: play to the other side of the play, Except Trump
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Speaker 8: is at both ends. It's wartime Trump at one end
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Speaker 8: and peacetime Trump at the other. And almost every twenty
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Speaker 8: four hours he cycles between saying it's peace or its war.
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Speaker 8: I think he's devaluing his own currency. Here as commander
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Speaker 8: in chief, he dearly wants the Iranians to come to
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Speaker 8: a deal, whatever deal means, and the Iranians keep showing
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Speaker 8: that in fact, they're playing a hard game for the
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Speaker 8: long term. They want to keep control of the straight
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Speaker 8: of full moves, and so I don't think we're going
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Speaker 8: to see some sort of success for peaceful outcome in
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Speaker 8: the next few days. I think this is going to
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Speaker 8: play on, and to go to your point in the intro,
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Speaker 8: that means there's going to be pressure on fuel supply
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Speaker 8: and therefore pressure on prices. I think well into next year.
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Speaker 2: I know Donald Trump on Air Force one today was
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Speaker 2: saying that if they had gone ahead with this threatned attack,
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Speaker 2: it would be the biggest attack.
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Speaker 4: Since World War II.
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Speaker 2: And I know he's prone to exaggeration, but surely that
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Speaker 2: is an exaggeration, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is.
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Speaker 8: And it also so what strategic purpose, what political purpose
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Speaker 8: would an attack of that nature serve? You know, he's
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Speaker 8: been talking four months now about when the big attack comes,
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Speaker 8: it's going to be destroying Iranian infrastructure. I don't necessarily
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Speaker 8: see how that achieves his objectives. Does it push the
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Speaker 8: revolutionary Guard out of power. Does it lead to a
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Speaker 8: a popular revolution?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 8: So there's a disconnect between the nature of the threats
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Speaker 8: to any sort of sensible plan that I can imagine
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Speaker 8: for what it is that Trump could do that might
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Speaker 8: lead to a better outcome from a United States perspective.
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Speaker 8: And again it's the it's the sort of undisciplined language
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Speaker 8: he uses, the you know, the depth of war or
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Speaker 8: the glories of peace, you know, and cycling between them.
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Speaker 8: He just I'm sorry to say, he's losing credibility. And
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Speaker 8: ultimately this is going to be the big test of
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Speaker 8: his second term, is this conflict and how.
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Speaker 1: He brings it to an end.
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Speaker 2: Let's test that credibility. Here he is with that comment,
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Speaker 2: and I want to ask you a question about how
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Speaker 2: we choose between what's propaganda and what's fact. He's the president.
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Speaker 9: There's a deal on Foremos, and then it will be
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Speaker 9: a deal on the nuclear or you might call it
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Speaker 9: the denuclearization of a save a lot of lives, sever
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Speaker 9: a lot of unnecessary power. To be honest with you,
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Speaker 9: I'll take many, many years to ever build it back.
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Speaker 9: If I don't think it would be even building back.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's Donald Trump. On the other hand, you've
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Speaker 2: got the regime in Iran, Peter that you know, they
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Speaker 2: keep saying, oh, well, you know, we can attack where
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Speaker 2: we want, who we want. All of our military is
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Speaker 2: not destroyed. We've got enough drones to last for a lifetime.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who can you actually believe here?
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Speaker 8: Well, I certainly don't believe the statements that come from
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Speaker 8: the Revolutionary Guard, and in fact, over many years, we've
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Speaker 8: learned to discount those. What I do is I look
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Speaker 8: very carefully at the information put out by Central Command
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Speaker 8: in the United States, that's the combatant command fighting the war,
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Speaker 8: and what that tells me is that their military operations
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Speaker 8: over the last two to three weeks have been very limited,
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Speaker 8: focused on maritime targets around the top end of the
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Speaker 8: straightor for move likewise, with the Uranians, judge them by
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Speaker 8: what they do. Their ability to hit other countries in
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Speaker 8: the region has been significantly reduced. They've lost probably the
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Speaker 8: bulk of their missile capability. They still have drones of plenty,
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Speaker 8: because drones are small and cheap, and they've had them
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Speaker 8: stored underground. But I think the picture for them is
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Speaker 8: that they're hanging on grimly as their economy tanks.
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Speaker 1: That's their story.
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Speaker 8: I think the underlying Trump aspiration is that they will
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Speaker 8: feel the need to come to the negotiation table because
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Speaker 8: their economy is being destroyed through the American oil boycott. So, Steve,
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Speaker 8: the test is what are they actually doing on the ground,
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Speaker 8: And when you look at that, it tends to undercut
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Speaker 8: the rhetoric that we hear both from the President and
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Speaker 8: from the Revolutionary Guard.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Peter, Thank you very much for that,
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Speaker 2: Peter Jennings there coming up to a break. It's funny
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Speaker 2: how integrity becomes important when we're months out from an election. Well,
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Speaker 2: we'll discuss Victoria's big bill corruption Royal Commission next with
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Speaker 2: David Southwick. Welcome back to The Price with you, Chris,
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Speaker 2: Can you be back tomorrow night? Just before I get
19:18
Speaker 2: to David Southwick, the high profile entertainment and sports manager
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Speaker 2: Ralph Carr has lost a three year fight to have
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Speaker 2: his identity kept secret after being found guilty by jury
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Speaker 2: of rape. Now he's sixty six years old, very well known,
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Speaker 2: particularly in Melbourne. He's the former husband of the singer
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Speaker 2: Tina Arena and he was the manager of Richmond AFL
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Speaker 2: superstar Dustin Martin. He's been found guilty of two counts
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Speaker 2: of rape and one count of sexual assault that happened
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Speaker 2: last month. He's abandoned his legal bid to expend this
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Speaker 2: suppression order, which was first put in place in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three. Ralph Carr committed the offenses in March twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three at his West Melbourne home after what prosecutors
20:02
Speaker 2: said was a drink and drugs session with the victim.
20:06
Speaker 2: His defense argued his mental picture is dire as his
20:11
Speaker 2: identity was kept from the public. They now say that
20:15
Speaker 2: Ralph Carr, who is now in custody, intends to appeal
20:19
Speaker 2: the verdict. More than that to come still on One
20:22
Speaker 2: Nation announcing eight Upper House candidates to contest the state
20:26
Speaker 2: election in Victoria. That really fires. I think the starter's
20:29
Speaker 2: gone on that November poll for One Nation rather optimistically.
20:34
Speaker 2: I think the new Premier, Ben Carroll has claimed that
20:37
Speaker 2: the widely popular party will not get that's his quote,
20:41
Speaker 2: a foothold in Victoria here.
20:43
Speaker 1: Good luck with that.
20:44
Speaker 2: Join him in now, Victorian Deputy Opposition leader David Southwick.
20:48
Speaker 2: The Premier is kidding himself, isn't he If he thinks
20:50
Speaker 2: One Nation is not going to get any sort of foothold.
20:52
Speaker 9: Yeah.
20:52
Speaker 10: Well, look, I mean this is a premier that will
20:56
Speaker 10: say anything he possibly can, just as a bit of
20:58
Speaker 10: a popularity contest.
20:59
Speaker 1: We saw that where he was not.
21:02
Speaker 10: About integrity before and now he's all about integrity. I
21:05
Speaker 10: just don't think anybody can trust a word that Ben
21:07
Speaker 10: Carroll says. Look, this is going to be a do
21:10
Speaker 10: or dialection for Victorians. We've had the worst labor government
21:14
Speaker 10: I think in history, and so he's so important that
21:17
Speaker 10: we get this right and we get Victoria right. I
21:19
Speaker 10: know you've always been a proud Victorian, Steve. And to
21:22
Speaker 10: see we've just come off the Commonwealth Games two hundred.
21:25
Speaker 1: I could watch it, I mean I couldn't watch it
21:27
Speaker 1: just sends me spare we pay for it?
21:30
Speaker 10: And then on top of that, they made another two
21:31
Speaker 10: hundred million dollars out of the Games. And why couldn't
21:34
Speaker 10: Victoria do that?
21:35
Speaker 2: We had all the facility's held it in Melbourne. I
21:38
Speaker 2: mean it's ridiculous. I mean, I know you've been on
21:40
Speaker 2: the road with your leader, Jess Wilson. She went to
21:42
Speaker 2: each of the seats around the state. What were you
21:44
Speaker 2: being told by people? I mean, is one nation's threat
21:48
Speaker 2: real and do you think it will hamper you winning in.
21:53
Speaker 1: Your own right.
21:54
Speaker 10: Look, people are angry, and certainly in labor heartland, they're
21:58
Speaker 10: felt left behind, and we see that in not having
22:02
Speaker 10: the basic infrastructure of the roads.
22:04
Speaker 2: Where do you call that heartland?
22:06
Speaker 10: A lot of the west, a lot of the northern suburbs,
22:08
Speaker 10: areas that again have always.
22:11
Speaker 2: Put migration into those areas. The traffic is a nightmare.
22:14
Speaker 2: People can't get out of their suburbs to go to work.
22:17
Speaker 10: And in some of those new estates, people have bought
22:20
Speaker 10: home aspirationally tried to buy something for their family, and
22:24
Speaker 10: they take forty minutes to get up the road to
22:26
Speaker 10: the nearest supermarket. I mean, that's just crazy stuff. So
22:28
Speaker 10: everybody's got to get given a fair go. Jess is great,
22:32
Speaker 10: she's not taking anything or anyone for granted, and we can't.
22:36
Speaker 10: But we've got to be focused on our own job.
22:38
Speaker 10: I think that's what Victorians expect from an opposition. Yes,
22:41
Speaker 10: one nation will fill candidates and they'll do their thing.
22:43
Speaker 10: But the only way to change Labor is to ensure
22:46
Speaker 10: that people vote for Jess Wilson and the government.
22:48
Speaker 2: Well, the Labor government can still do a lot of
22:50
Speaker 2: damage in the next four months. So we've got the
22:52
Speaker 2: new premiere. He's had a raft of resignations from his
22:56
Speaker 2: front bench. He's just made a big announcement today saying
22:59
Speaker 2: he's only going to replace three that quit with one minister.
23:03
Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't make a lot of difference. Do
23:06
Speaker 2: we believe Ben Carroll when he says he will have
23:08
Speaker 2: a genuinely top notch Royal commission into corruption on the
23:14
Speaker 2: big build and he won't say whether Dan Andrews or
23:19
Speaker 2: just Cindarella will be required to attend.
23:22
Speaker 10: This will be a fake Royal commission. It's a cover
23:25
Speaker 10: up and we need a real Royal commission. And you
23:28
Speaker 10: can't trust a teacher, you can't trust a student to
23:32
Speaker 10: mark their own homework. And that's what we're getting here
23:34
Speaker 10: from Ben Carroll. He was part of the corruption and
23:39
Speaker 10: now it's just going to be a cover up to
23:40
Speaker 10: look after former premiers and former ministers and current ministers
23:44
Speaker 10: as well. The only way to get on top of that.
23:47
Speaker 10: And we've already announced the terms of reference, which he's
23:52
Speaker 10: already thrown that out and said we're not going to
23:55
Speaker 10: take that into account. We said whether Daniel Andrews to
23:58
Speaker 10: Cinderellen former minute. All of them need to front up
24:02
Speaker 10: and if they've done the crime, they need to do
24:04
Speaker 10: the time.
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Speaker 1: And that's simple. No one should be immune from attend
24:09
Speaker 1: year role.
24:10
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've done the legal work once. Let's cast
24:14
Speaker 2: our minds ahead four months. You win the election in
24:17
Speaker 2: your own right, you're in government and the Royal Commission
24:20
Speaker 2: has already commenced. You do, as I understand it, have
24:23
Speaker 2: the legal power as the government in office to shut
24:27
Speaker 2: that Royal Commission down and recommence with a new one.
24:30
Speaker 1: Is that right? Absolutely?
24:31
Speaker 10: We need to give the Royal Commission the teeth that
24:34
Speaker 10: it needs to do the job. We've got to clean
24:37
Speaker 10: up this mess. The only way to get the confidence
24:40
Speaker 10: back in our state is to ensure we get rid
24:43
Speaker 10: of the corruption. We have a transparent government and that's
24:46
Speaker 10: what we must do.
24:46
Speaker 2: Do you suspect that like the inquiry into COVID and
24:51
Speaker 2: the COVID lockdown where you had Daniel Andrews turning up
24:56
Speaker 2: at that inquiry saying I don't recall, I don't remember,
24:58
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. I think that would happen again.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, I mean this is you've got the Premier saying
25:04
Speaker 10: we need to deal with this as fast as we can.
25:06
Speaker 10: I mean, it's just a sham royal commission he wants
25:08
Speaker 10: to do is a cover up for his mates to
25:10
Speaker 10: look like he's trying to do something. Where was he
25:13
Speaker 10: for the months and months before all of this when
25:15
Speaker 10: we said let's get a royal commissioner, let's get this done.
25:18
Speaker 10: He was sitting around around the cabinet table silent. He
25:22
Speaker 10: wasn't prepared to stand up against the premier then and
25:25
Speaker 10: he won't stand up for Victorians now.
25:28
Speaker 2: Just on Crime before you Go doesn't seem to be
25:30
Speaker 2: getting any better. A shocking case over the weekend of
25:32
Speaker 2: a good Samaritan shopkeeper in hospital fighting for his life.
25:36
Speaker 2: Police have alleged some of the accused of this terrible
25:39
Speaker 2: attack with a young at twelve and thirteen years old.
25:44
Speaker 2: I know that the new Commissioner of Police is trying
25:46
Speaker 2: to do the best job he can, but the crime
25:49
Speaker 2: crisis continued as to roll out of control.
25:51
Speaker 1: Absolutely, three thousand polices.
25:53
Speaker 10: What we need we need consequences, and particularly these are
25:56
Speaker 10: young offenders.
25:57
Speaker 1: They need to be trialed in an adult court. And
25:59
Speaker 1: that's what we say.
26:00
Speaker 10: Head only over the weekend where we're saying the kinds
26:04
Speaker 10: of attacks which we've just seen, they need to be
26:07
Speaker 10: tried in an adult court and these people need to
26:09
Speaker 10: be locked up, taken off the streets. Nobody feels safe
26:12
Speaker 10: in Victoria right now. That's one of the things that
26:14
Speaker 10: we need to tackle, the crime, the corruption, the confidence.
26:17
Speaker 10: Let's get Victoria back to where it needs to be.
26:20
Speaker 10: This was once a great state and Jess Wilson and
26:23
Speaker 10: our team will do that again.
26:24
Speaker 2: Good on, You're not to see you again. Thanks you
26:26
Speaker 2: very much, David Southwick. There, let's turn our attention to
26:28
Speaker 2: property prices now. Since the charm has budget earlier this
26:32
Speaker 2: year and the tax changes to negative gearing and the
26:34
Speaker 2: capital gains taxes, housing and unit prices, auction clearance rates,
26:39
Speaker 2: they've all collapsed. I mean something, Australian homeowners. I don't
26:42
Speaker 2: think witness certainly not since the dark days of the
26:45
Speaker 2: end of COVID, and some of the hypocrisy from federal
26:48
Speaker 2: labor MPs ministers is breathtaking. Here was time you plibosec
26:52
Speaker 2: on Morning TV today celebrating the collapse in housing prices.
26:57
Speaker 11: There's never been a better time to be a first time,
27:00
Speaker 11: not in my lifetime has there been a better time
27:03
Speaker 11: to be a first home buyer in Australia. I'm so
27:06
Speaker 11: happy to see more than two hundred and sixty thousand
27:09
Speaker 11: individuals and couples have made use of our five percent deposits.
27:13
Speaker 2: And good for her, I mean she has benefited mightily
27:16
Speaker 2: from the Sydney property boom of the last three decades.
27:19
Speaker 2: So did I. So you can't then now go out
27:21
Speaker 2: and say she's happy that everyone else's house prices are collapsing.
27:25
Speaker 2: Joining me now, Louis Christopher from SAQM Research. Louis, we're
27:30
Speaker 2: in the perfect storm here, rising interest rates on hold
27:34
Speaker 2: at the moment, but likely to go up at some
27:36
Speaker 2: point later this year, property taxes have Have we reached
27:41
Speaker 2: anywhere near the bottom do you think? Or is there
27:43
Speaker 2: still more to fall out of the bottom of the.
27:44
Speaker 12: Market, Steve, There's much more to come in our view,
27:49
Speaker 12: just looking at the leading indicators we've got. As you
27:52
Speaker 12: rightly point out, auction clearance rates have fallen off at cliff.
27:56
Speaker 12: The real number is now actually in the thirties. You
28:00
Speaker 12: often what you've seen in the media quoted is a
28:02
Speaker 12: clearance rate in the high forties or early fifties, But
28:06
Speaker 12: then that number is adjusted or revised later in a week,
28:09
Speaker 12: and it's regularly falling into the thirties. So we're getting
28:12
Speaker 12: to a situation now where only about a third of
28:16
Speaker 12: properties that are actually going to auction is selling at
28:19
Speaker 12: or prior to the day of auction, and that's equating
28:23
Speaker 12: to housing price falls We think this year of somewhere
28:27
Speaker 12: to seven to nine percent for the calendar year. I'd
28:31
Speaker 12: have to say now looking at the numbers, we're off
28:34
Speaker 12: by about six percent from the peak that we had
28:37
Speaker 12: earlier this year. As a nationwide average, some areas have
28:41
Speaker 12: fall and more.
28:42
Speaker 4: Oh, it's less.
28:42
Speaker 12: As you would expect, but overall this downturn has now
28:46
Speaker 12: spread nationally. At first it was in Sydney and Melbourne
28:50
Speaker 12: when we had the first interest rate rise, but it's
28:52
Speaker 12: definitely gone to all capital cities.
28:54
Speaker 2: Now, Louie, I mean that shoots a hole in the
28:58
Speaker 2: argument that was prosecuted there by Tanya Plibisek and other
29:02
Speaker 2: ministers in the government that this collapse in house and
29:05
Speaker 2: unit prices has now allowed first home buyers accessing the
29:11
Speaker 2: five percent deposit scheme to flood into the market. And
29:15
Speaker 2: is there any evidence that there's a whole bunch of
29:18
Speaker 2: first home buyers benefiting from this downturn in real estate prices.
29:24
Speaker 12: No doubt the flip side the falling housing prices has
29:27
Speaker 12: improved affordability, But the issue is for first home buyers,
29:31
Speaker 12: particularly those who bought into the five percent deposit scheme
29:36
Speaker 12: after October when the scheme was changed to reduce the
29:40
Speaker 12: caps or lift the caps off through to earlier this year.
29:46
Speaker 12: Through to the end of March, we had one hundred
29:48
Speaker 12: and twenty thousand people getting to this scheme and essentially
29:52
Speaker 12: they bought in at the top of the market. So
29:56
Speaker 12: the issue is for first home buyers who have bought
29:59
Speaker 12: in this market is they're facing negative equity, and negative
30:03
Speaker 12: equity is not a great place to be and it's
30:07
Speaker 12: not as bad as bankruptcy, but it's about one notch
30:11
Speaker 12: below bankruptcy. It is a bad situation to be in.
30:14
Speaker 12: And this is the issue for first time buyers right now,
30:16
Speaker 12: is that, yes, affordability has improved, but it's going to
30:21
Speaker 12: be like catching a falling knife. How further will housing
30:25
Speaker 12: prices fall. We think it's going to keep falling until
30:28
Speaker 12: the end of this year at a minimum, and will
30:31
Speaker 12: likely keep falling until we see a many for cutting
30:34
Speaker 12: interest rates.
30:37
Speaker 2: Louis, quite rightly, we focus on housing, but I mean
30:41
Speaker 2: this is also having a massive impact, I imagine on
30:44
Speaker 2: commercial real estate. I mean I know of one business
30:47
Speaker 2: at least out of Queensland that thinks Melbourne is now
30:50
Speaker 2: so cheap that they're down here trying to buy up
30:52
Speaker 2: commercial properties. But I imagine the people who are selling
30:56
Speaker 2: those commercial properties held them for a long time, maybe
30:59
Speaker 2: an investment, been in their super fund or in a trust.
31:03
Speaker 2: They're now getting hammered because commercial properties also are not selling.
31:08
Speaker 12: Yeah, commercial property has been impacted, particularly offers space. There's
31:13
Speaker 12: been a real negative impact there. And generally what you
31:16
Speaker 12: see with commercial property is that's more tied with the
31:19
Speaker 12: fortunes of the economy. So when you see commercial real
31:22
Speaker 12: estate start going down to tunes a bit, it really
31:25
Speaker 12: is actually a bit of a signal that the overall
31:27
Speaker 12: economies are not in good shape. And I think we're
31:30
Speaker 12: all in consensus about that.
31:34
Speaker 2: Louis Christopher, good to catch up. Thank you very much
31:35
Speaker 2: for joining us on Kenny Tonight. Now coming up straight
31:38
Speaker 2: after the break, we'll tell you what happens when a
31:40
Speaker 2: socialist left wing government loses complete control of its borders.
31:44
Speaker 2: I'll unpack Spain's crisis up next.
31:52
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
31:52
Speaker 2: We'll have Chris Kenny's panel up coming up next. Now,
31:55
Speaker 2: every time since last week, when I see those incredible
31:59
Speaker 2: pictures of those Moroccan illegals crossing into Spanish territory, I
32:03
Speaker 2: just can't believe the numbers. And I think it got
32:05
Speaker 2: up to somewhere near sixty thousand by one estimate. When
32:09
Speaker 2: you ever read the background to the Spanish government and
32:12
Speaker 2: the inexplicable law changes, which was basically hanging a carrot
32:16
Speaker 2: out for residency in front of these people, it makes
32:20
Speaker 2: some sense. Joining me now, Kenny Monday Night regular writer
32:23
Speaker 2: and broadcast at Esther Crack. Great to see you again, Esther.
32:26
Speaker 2: The Spaniards really bought all this on themselves, didn't they.
32:31
Speaker 13: Yes, I mean I think what I find quite astonishing
32:34
Speaker 13: has been the Spanish Prime Minister's reaction to all of this.
32:38
Speaker 13: So Pedro Sanchez has called the twenty two countries that
32:42
Speaker 13: were calling for the Spanish border with the rest of.
32:47
Speaker 14: You are basically the Shangan zone, to be cut off.
32:50
Speaker 13: He called them selfish and so that they were using
32:52
Speaker 13: this crisis because of their prejudice or for political political ends.
32:56
Speaker 13: Which is horrifying because if you were part of a
32:58
Speaker 13: political union allows the free movement of people, and then
33:03
Speaker 13: you see scenes like this like what we saw in Selta,
33:06
Speaker 13: where tens of thousands of men have just basically stormed
33:10
Speaker 13: through your border, and a lot of the footage coming
33:13
Speaker 13: from within sale of local Spaniards saying, listen, we can't
33:17
Speaker 13: leave our houses. We've been told to stay indoors. We're
33:19
Speaker 13: running out of food because the police are so overwhelmed
33:22
Speaker 13: by this that we basically have been taught to stay
33:25
Speaker 13: put for our own safety.
33:26
Speaker 14: You really have to wonder what happens to go through
33:28
Speaker 14: his head.
33:29
Speaker 13: Bear in mind, this is just coming months after the
33:31
Speaker 13: fact that Spain announcer was going to regularize, which is
33:34
Speaker 13: basically give four more residency status to over five hundred
33:38
Speaker 13: thousand migrants, many of whom are of North African heritage.
33:41
Speaker 13: And the estimates we're seeing now the number of people
33:44
Speaker 13: that applied is upwards of one point two million people,
33:48
Speaker 13: so more than double of the numbers that were expected.
33:52
Speaker 13: And there are some reports estimating that even the requirement
33:56
Speaker 13: to not have a criminal record to qualify for this
33:58
Speaker 13: scheme or either water down or done away with completely
34:01
Speaker 13: so this is these are the kinds of things that
34:03
Speaker 13: fill people with horror, because inasmuch as you want to
34:06
Speaker 13: flirt with the left, when you see leaders left wing
34:09
Speaker 13: leaders that clearly have no grasp of reality, completely ignoring
34:13
Speaker 13: the situation and pretending like seeing these kinds of thcens
34:15
Speaker 13: shouldn't fill people with horror. This is the kind of
34:17
Speaker 13: thing that makes people lose confidence in the modern political left.
34:22
Speaker 2: Why just men?
34:26
Speaker 7: Uh?
34:26
Speaker 13: The good question, because you would assume that if they
34:28
Speaker 13: were actually fleeing for their lives, they would they would
34:30
Speaker 13: somehow muster the courage to take women and children with them,
34:33
Speaker 13: or even prioritize them.
34:35
Speaker 14: These are the same things that you see.
34:37
Speaker 13: These are kind of sensible questions that you ask, particularly
34:39
Speaker 13: in the case of the UK, where you see all
34:41
Speaker 13: these somehow military aged men crossing the English Channel, or
34:45
Speaker 13: most of whom claiming asylum, and you have to ask,
34:47
Speaker 13: where is your mother?
34:48
Speaker 14: Where are your sisters? Where are your daughters? Where are
34:50
Speaker 14: your wives?
34:51
Speaker 13: You know, how come you manage to muster the courage
34:55
Speaker 13: and the money to pay people smugglers to get you
34:58
Speaker 13: across the border.
34:59
Speaker 14: Where's the rest of your if you're actually fleeing for
35:01
Speaker 14: your lives.
35:03
Speaker 2: So you know, we've seen this a version of this
35:07
Speaker 2: movie Esther before, haven't we, Because we go back, I
35:10
Speaker 2: don't know now, probably ten years or so, and you
35:12
Speaker 2: had a lot of illegal immigrants coming out of North
35:17
Speaker 2: Africa and many of them are landing on that small
35:19
Speaker 2: island which was Italian territory. And then what the Italians did,
35:23
Speaker 2: this is pre maloney. They basically ushered them through Italy
35:27
Speaker 2: and pushed them up through Switzerland on into Germany, then
35:30
Speaker 2: onto you know, in many cases France and Calais, and
35:33
Speaker 2: they all many of them have ended.
35:35
Speaker 4: Up in the UK.
35:38
Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely, and you know it's quite It's quite something
35:41
Speaker 13: when you know that your immigration policy, or basically the
35:45
Speaker 13: security of your borders depends on another country. And even
35:48
Speaker 13: though the UK has left the EU, it still seems
35:51
Speaker 13: to feel that way. We're paying the likes of France
35:53
Speaker 13: and Belgium hundreds of millions of pounds a year to
35:57
Speaker 13: try and stun the tide, and yet nothing seems to
36:01
Speaker 13: be working. I mean, just a few days ago we
36:03
Speaker 13: had the highest number of illegal migrants crossing the English Channel,
36:07
Speaker 13: two thousand people in a single day. So you know,
36:11
Speaker 13: you start to feel this sense of dread that nothing
36:14
Speaker 13: that the electorate, none of the signals of the electorate
36:17
Speaker 13: is giving our politicians, is working. And this has been
36:21
Speaker 13: a constant conversation for years, for decades. David Cameron ran
36:24
Speaker 13: on this, you know, subsequent governments, toury governments and now
36:29
Speaker 13: label governments have run on this and they just cannot
36:31
Speaker 13: seem to get to grips with it, and it's extremely
36:34
Speaker 13: frustrating and dangerous.
36:37
Speaker 2: Well, Australia of course had the advantage of being a
36:41
Speaker 2: relatively isolated island. I mean, we had this problem of
36:45
Speaker 2: boat people coming out of Indonesia. They were many of
36:48
Speaker 2: them were from places in Africa and they've found their
36:52
Speaker 2: way to Malaysia and then on to Indonesia and tried
36:54
Speaker 2: to get to Australia. So we turned back the boats,
36:57
Speaker 2: is what the policy was, and we actually really caded
37:00
Speaker 2: many of these people to Nauru. Is it Andy Burnham
37:05
Speaker 2: got any stomach for doing something like that to stop
37:07
Speaker 2: what's happening in the UK?
37:10
Speaker 13: Well, it doesn't suggest, it doesn't seem. He doesn't seem
37:12
Speaker 13: to suggest that he's actually serious. He just you know,
37:16
Speaker 13: has released the usual platitude and his statements about he's
37:18
Speaker 13: going to take it seriously and then, like Kastamer is
37:20
Speaker 13: likely to be unsuccessful with it. I mean, the irony
37:23
Speaker 13: with the Australia's success with this is that the last
37:26
Speaker 13: Conservative government actually hired Australian consultants, so people from the
37:30
Speaker 13: Australian administration that actually managed to facilitate either turning the
37:34
Speaker 13: boats back or sending these migrants to a processing center
37:37
Speaker 13: that's not Australia. And then obviously, when Kirstarma came to office,
37:43
Speaker 13: he decided to do away with the Rwanda scheme, which
37:46
Speaker 13: was the only.
37:47
Speaker 14: Deterrent, serious deterrent we've seen in years.
37:50
Speaker 13: So it's kind of embarrassing that public money was spent
37:53
Speaker 13: actually trying to emulate a policy that worked. And then
37:56
Speaker 13: the moment another leader came in, that was Jettison. And
37:59
Speaker 13: so we've the steady treacle of predominantly men, many of
38:03
Speaker 13: whom are undocumented, many of whom we don't know their history,
38:06
Speaker 13: many of whom seem to be a fighting age, many
38:08
Speaker 13: of whom seem to have forgotten that they have wives
38:10
Speaker 13: and sisters and nieces and other female relatives and have
38:15
Speaker 13: made the treacherous journey from France by themselves.
38:18
Speaker 14: So it's quite it's quite disheartening.
38:22
Speaker 2: Reform, of course, has said just finally as to that
38:24
Speaker 2: that'd used the navy, which I guess is a version
38:27
Speaker 2: of what we did.
38:29
Speaker 13: Yes, and I mean Reforms basically in the political sphere
38:34
Speaker 13: has been banging on about immigration. I mean, they're trying
38:37
Speaker 13: to carve a space for themselves in terms of economic
38:39
Speaker 13: policy and welfare and all of that. But this has
38:41
Speaker 13: been the reason why Reform has surged so much, because
38:44
Speaker 13: they have capitalized on the fact that the situation is
38:46
Speaker 13: absolutely absurd and inasmuch as the media is trying to,
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Speaker 13: you know, say, oh, you know, this is far right,
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Speaker 13: this could never happen.
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Speaker 14: At the end of the day, politics is a battle
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Speaker 14: of ideas.
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Speaker 13: If no party seems or no government seems can get
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Speaker 13: to grips with something that's a serio concern for the
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Speaker 13: British people, however you feel about it, then you cannot
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Speaker 13: blame people that are offering other solutions and so get
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Speaker 13: to grips with it or don't complain.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they're always good to catch up with you. Thank
39:12
Speaker 2: you very much for joining us tonight on Kenny. Okay,
39:14
Speaker 2: let's bring in Christ's panel tonight. Caroline de Rosso and
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Speaker 2: podcaster Jamie Johnston. One Nation, we need to talk about them.
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Speaker 2: They went out today and announced eight upper House candidates
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Speaker 2: to contest the state election. Caroline, I always worry when
39:31
Speaker 2: One Nation announces candidates because at some point it's just eight.
39:36
Speaker 2: But one of those eight is sure going to have
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Speaker 2: some weird story in the background that someone's going to
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Speaker 2: dig out in the media or in fact the opposition
39:44
Speaker 2: part of the Labor Party will find out about it.
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Speaker 14: Well, that's very likely.
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Speaker 15: And here in w Way we have a by election
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Speaker 15: for Secret Harbor where there's only one One Nation candidate
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Speaker 15: and they still manage to find a backstory about cocaine
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Speaker 15: us in London and consort with the Albanian underworld. So
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Speaker 15: who knows. Look, I don't think it'll be all candidates,
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Speaker 15: but no doubt there'll be a story there somewhere. And
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Speaker 15: obviously they're your upper House candidates, right And I suppose
40:12
Speaker 15: in any party, your upper House candidates sit on a
40:15
Speaker 15: party ticket, their faces aren't on a core flute, and
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Speaker 15: no one in a sense he is voting for them
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Speaker 15: directly in a lower house seat. So what will be
40:24
Speaker 15: interesting is when we see and if there are those lower.
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Speaker 14: House candidates because I think that's.
40:29
Speaker 15: Generally ten where you tend to have a few more
40:33
Speaker 15: issues around things like that, Jamie.
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Speaker 2: One Nation leader Pauline Hanson made a big noise today
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Speaker 2: about the fact that she did not allow the ABC
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Speaker 2: or the Guardian, and I've seen some reports that nine
40:46
Speaker 2: newspapers also were excluded from that media event to introduce
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Speaker 2: those candidates. I'm always of the view that you take
40:55
Speaker 2: on your critics, you argue your point and your case
40:58
Speaker 2: with them, regardless of what they've done to you. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, no labor mpeople will come on this show,
41:04
Speaker 2: for example, federally or state, certainly not state, So why
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Speaker 2: not let them in? And if you want to have
41:10
Speaker 2: an argument with them, why not?
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Speaker 16: I just think enough's enough, though, right, I Mean, there's
41:15
Speaker 16: been so many years where certain reporters within these media
41:20
Speaker 16: outlets have just reported such extreme bias against Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 16: and One Nation and she's finally said enough's enough. At
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Speaker 16: the end of the day. News about Pauline cells. You know,
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Speaker 16: she's a politician in this country that has had more
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Speaker 16: news headlines written about her than any other politician in
41:37
Speaker 16: our nation's history. And I just think she's not wanting
41:40
Speaker 16: to give them the bait anymore. So I stand by you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly have treated as shabbily and I just
41:48
Speaker 2: I don't know why though, that you would ban anyone Carolina.
41:51
Speaker 2: I mean, if you tried doing that, if you were
41:55
Speaker 2: in the Liberal Party or in the National Party or
41:57
Speaker 2: in the Labor Party, the critics can come after your
41:59
Speaker 2: big time, we go down like.
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Speaker 14: A shower of the proverbial.
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Speaker 15: And even within the coalition. I mean, there's been plenty
42:06
Speaker 15: of bias and plenty of you know, what some would
42:08
Speaker 15: consider misreporting and the like. But ultimately, if you want
42:12
Speaker 15: to be considered one of the major parties, you've just
42:15
Speaker 15: got to stump up and put up, and unfortunately it
42:19
Speaker 15: doesn't always go well. And there are plenty of instances
42:21
Speaker 15: where you know, I have to agree Pauline has not
42:24
Speaker 15: been treated well by the media. But the problem is
42:28
Speaker 15: is that when you do things like that, the story
42:30
Speaker 15: ends up being about not letting the media in, not
42:32
Speaker 15: wanting to be accountable, not wanting to ask questions, instead
42:36
Speaker 15: of letting the media in and at least having the
42:38
Speaker 15: opportunity to be reported. Whatever the substance is that you
42:42
Speaker 15: have to say. So, politics isn't a sheltered workshop and
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Speaker 15: it's been very cruel to some. It has been to
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Speaker 15: Pauline and to many members of the Coalition. But that
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Speaker 15: doesn't mean you get to curate your press gallery, Jamie.
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Speaker 2: Like many Australians today, I went back to the petrol station.
42:58
Speaker 2: I used ninety eight leaded petrol. It was up around
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Speaker 2: two dollars twenty diesels up around two point fifty. So
43:05
Speaker 2: the petrol exis went off at midnight last night. Want
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Speaker 2: do you think, Jamie, that the federal government will reintroduce
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Speaker 2: that ridiculous ad that they played at the beginning of
43:15
Speaker 2: this whole problem with the stratuvum was where they told
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Speaker 2: us to take us a rooffracs off our car and
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Speaker 2: pump up our tires.
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Speaker 16: You have less weight in your car as well. Look,
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Speaker 16: this is ridiculous. Can we just be frank At the
43:27
Speaker 16: end of the day, they absolutely know it is best
43:30
Speaker 16: for households and consumers and businesses in this country to
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Speaker 16: have every bit of relief they can possibly have right now.
43:37
Speaker 16: But this government can't stop spending. They need to get
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Speaker 16: their hands on every bit of money and tax they can.
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Speaker 16: And that's all this is.
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Speaker 2: And Caroline, of course, on top of the excise coming
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Speaker 2: off because of the date in the calendar where this
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Speaker 2: has all occurred, there's a natural petrol xis increase because
43:56
Speaker 2: it's kicked over into August. So it's not just the
43:59
Speaker 2: excise going back on, it's also that two or three
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Speaker 2: cents increase as.
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Speaker 15: Well, and a little bit more. No, you're exactly right,
44:06
Speaker 15: And look, I think I think this notion needs a
44:09
Speaker 15: revisit and a rethink. And it's not just on fuel,
44:13
Speaker 15: but also on something like cigarettes. And you think about
44:15
Speaker 15: the black mark that has been created in relation to cigarettes,
44:19
Speaker 15: not suggesting ones necessarily can be created in relation to fuel.
44:23
Speaker 15: But at some point you're doing yourself a disservice by
44:27
Speaker 15: keeping increasing that tax. And we all know what the
44:29
Speaker 15: Laffer curve is, and at some point you are actually
44:31
Speaker 15: going to end up with less tax revenue rather than
44:34
Speaker 15: more tax revenue. And I just think, you know, I
44:38
Speaker 15: understand why we have an exerciser. I understand that you know,
44:42
Speaker 15: the money that he is raised is meant to go
44:44
Speaker 15: into road maintenance and the like, But there needs to
44:47
Speaker 15: be a point where where enough is enough and it
44:51
Speaker 15: becomes counterproductive.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what where it's going to repair roads.
44:57
Speaker 2: I drove through three potholes at the weekend. I cont
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Speaker 2: you could almost swallow a car in there. This debate,
45:04
Speaker 2: we've got this new Premier, Caroline. Obviously Ben Carroll a
45:07
Speaker 2: couple of things that he hasn't addressed.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 2: He's gone on about having a sort of pretend royal
45:13
Speaker 2: commission into corruption and the big build. But he doesn't
45:16
Speaker 2: appear to want to overturn Jacinta Allen's work from home mandates,
45:20
Speaker 2: which is a law that says, if you're an employer,
45:23
Speaker 2: your employee can say, listen, I won't be there Tuesday Wednesday,
45:27
Speaker 2: because that's my two days that I'm allowed to have
45:29
Speaker 2: off under your law, and I'll be back maybe on Friday.
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Speaker 2: He's not going to overturn that. And he's certainly not
45:36
Speaker 2: talked at all about overturning the treaty that just Cinda
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Speaker 2: Allen bought in for Indigenous Victorians. Unless he does either
45:43
Speaker 2: of those things, I think they are in for a
45:46
Speaker 2: crushing loss come November.
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Speaker 15: I think it's a big issue for them, and particularly
45:52
Speaker 15: both of those things have been real cornerstones to their
45:56
Speaker 15: last period of government. In relation to the work from
45:59
Speaker 15: home home policy, I mean that there is something there
46:03
Speaker 15: should be private as between the employer and the employee.
46:06
Speaker 15: You know, the government doesn't need to start inserting itself
46:09
Speaker 15: into businesses, which frankly it does not understand, and all
46:13
Speaker 15: different businesses operate differently. Some businesses it's easy to accommodate
46:18
Speaker 15: other businesses it isn't. And all it does is increase
46:20
Speaker 15: administration and decrease productivity, which as you well know, we.
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Speaker 14: Don't have enough of. So I think I.
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Speaker 15: Think there will need to be a revisit at some point.
46:30
Speaker 15: I know they've already they've already stepped back on a
46:33
Speaker 15: few things, but I think at some point they are
46:37
Speaker 15: going to have to revisit these as well, because I
46:40
Speaker 15: just don't think the commercial sector, that the private sector
46:44
Speaker 15: in Victoria is going to be able to withstand something
46:47
Speaker 15: like that work from home policy. I expect it would
46:50
Speaker 15: likely get challenged in court, and then same with the
46:53
Speaker 15: same with the treaty. I mean that there is red
46:55
Speaker 15: meat to the very far left of the Labor Party
46:58
Speaker 15: and the Greens who they need need their help with
47:00
Speaker 15: in the Upper House.
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Speaker 1: So that they don't want to get rid of it.
47:03
Speaker 15: But I'm not quite sure how long they can hold onto.
47:05
Speaker 4: It for.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamie.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know truck drivers can't work from home.
47:11
Speaker 2: There's so many people who can't work from home. I
47:13
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with working from home. I do
47:15
Speaker 2: a lot of work from home. But if I was
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Speaker 2: a boss, I want to be able to say no, no, Jamie,
47:20
Speaker 2: I need you in the office. I really need you
47:22
Speaker 2: to have experience what we do in here and establish
47:26
Speaker 2: relationships with the other workers. I mean, I can't see
47:29
Speaker 2: how you can make that law that the employee has
47:32
Speaker 2: the last say.
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Speaker 16: Look. I come from a long line of small business
47:36
Speaker 16: I've worked within the small business sector my entire life,
47:39
Speaker 16: but with my parents and then obviously when I started
47:41
Speaker 16: my own career at eighteen, I met my husband in
47:46
Speaker 16: the office. I'm a massive advocate for getting amongst your
47:49
Speaker 16: colleagues and working in an office, you know, to the
47:52
Speaker 16: bureaucrats and the politicians out there, including Ben Carroll, I ask,
47:56
Speaker 16: how many people have you employed on your on your
48:01
Speaker 16: time to create that is exactly right? And you know,
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Speaker 16: interestingly enough, I looked this up today, Steve, and I
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Speaker 16: actually think if the information I found is correct, Ben
48:10
Speaker 16: Carroll's father was a small business owner. He was an electrician,
48:13
Speaker 16: and you know, I would like to ask his dad,
48:16
Speaker 16: would you like the government to tell you that your
48:18
Speaker 16: staff could work from home when they wanted or it's
48:22
Speaker 16: just unbelievable. I think that it's overreach, you know, to
48:26
Speaker 16: think that they have a right to tell the private
48:28
Speaker 16: sector what they can and can't do with their money,
48:30
Speaker 16: their people, their time.
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Speaker 2: Ridiculous, Carolin Jamie, great to catch up with you, Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much. That's just unbelievable that you can have
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Speaker 2: an employee being able to say, you know, I don't
48:42
Speaker 2: want to come to work today, I'd rather stay home.
48:45
Speaker 2: Ben Carroll, speaking of the Premier, Victoria's going to announce
48:47
Speaker 2: his new cabinet tomorrow. Will be a few shocks. He's
48:51
Speaker 2: going to have a few less ministers. Peter Credlin's up next,
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Speaker 2: Chris Back Tomorrow Night