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ICE: How We Got Here (Part 5) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I never told your productive I heard radio.
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Speaker 2: And we are back with our mini part episode about
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Speaker 2: ICE CVP and the state of immigration in the US.
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Speaker 2: It's slow rolling, We're trying to get there, but it's
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Speaker 2: a lot and it's constantly changing. So with that, there
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Speaker 2: is a content warning. We are going to be talking
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Speaker 2: about death, abuse, human rights violations and issues, and politics.
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Speaker 2: And abuse does include rape, also maternal death and illness
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Speaker 2: and sicknesses. So there's a lot in this episode, but
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Speaker 2: we are focusing on one thing, which is the tension centers. Again,
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Speaker 2: things are quickly changing when it comes to immigration issues,
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Speaker 2: so we are going to timestamp this today is May seventh,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty sixth just so you know, we have and
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Speaker 2: gathering information for a while now, so some of these
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Speaker 2: things maybe outdated, some of these things may not be available,
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Speaker 2: and some of these things may be inaccurate because of
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Speaker 2: the lack of transparency that we are getting from the government. Okay,
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Speaker 2: and well, I don't think this is going, this is going,
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Speaker 2: This is not going to be the end of the segment.
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Speaker 2: I was like promising any yes, for sure, No, No. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: with all the immigration issues in the US today, there's
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Speaker 2: a lot, and today we are focusing specifically on detention
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Speaker 2: centers and all of the controversies happening there, and honestly,
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Speaker 2: it's horrifying. So if you need to take breaks throughout
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Speaker 2: this episode, please do. I had to take breaks. This
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Speaker 2: is going to be an average episode. It's not going
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Speaker 2: to be too too long. It's not one of our
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Speaker 2: longer episodes, but it's still very heavy. So if you
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Speaker 2: need to take breaks, do what you need to to
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Speaker 2: take care of your mental health. But also don't close
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Speaker 2: your eyes or your ears about what is happening. We
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Speaker 2: do need to know these things. I hate it. I
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Speaker 2: don't want to be in the middle of this. I
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Speaker 2: wish it could be Lotti dah. But this does affect everyone,
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Speaker 2: and we should be watching about what's happening, because as
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Speaker 2: many people are saying, we're not angry enough. So with
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Speaker 2: all of that, both those things can apply. As we
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Speaker 2: talked about before, the budget for DHS has been astronomical
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Speaker 2: this year this term, and a big part has been
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Speaker 2: spent on the opening of new detention centers throughout the US.
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Speaker 2: We have already talked a bit about deaths occurring in
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Speaker 2: a facility, as well as some very disturbing reports alleged
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Speaker 2: by detainees and other inside sources. But there's a lot
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Speaker 2: more to dig into, so we're gonna go ahead with that.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the current from what we could find statistics.
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Speaker 2: Most of these numbers are from March and April of
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Speaker 2: this year, so not necessarily the most up to date
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Speaker 2: as we are in May, but I'm sure it's forthcoming. Right.
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Speaker 1: So, as of April tenth, as reported by VERA, there
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Speaker 1: has been a significant increase in the det engine population
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Speaker 1: across the country from Davis Vanguard dot org quote. VERRA,
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Speaker 1: described on its website as a nonprofit organization based in
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Speaker 1: New York City, reports that as of mid March twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six, detention populations had reached unprecedented levels, with populations
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Speaker 1: on each day since mid June twenty twenty five exceeding
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Speaker 1: the previous peak in August twenty nineteen. VERA reports that
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Speaker 1: in mid January, the immigration detension population reached a record high,
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Speaker 1: with seventy three thy four hundred people detained on a
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Speaker 1: single day, and the reports go on to show that
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Speaker 1: for the first of the year up to mid March,
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Speaker 1: there was a sixty one percent increase in detention bookings. Quote.
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Speaker 1: According to Verra, since the second Trump administration began, ICE
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Speaker 1: has booked people into detention roughly four hundred forty four
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Speaker 1: thoy nine hundred times right.
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Speaker 2: And there's some additional numbers from track reports dot org.
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Speaker 2: As of April tenth as well, there are sixty thousand,
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Speaker 2: three hundred and eleven people in ICE attention centers and
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Speaker 2: since March of twenty twenty six, thirty two thousand, five
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one people were booked into detention centers.
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Speaker 2: So these numbers are varied obviously, as you can see.
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Speaker 2: At one point one reports that there was a small dip,
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Speaker 2: which is that six thousand number, sixty thousand number, but
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Speaker 2: then it would write back up. So there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of fluctuations. Things are happening, things are backtracking, but at
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Speaker 2: the same time it is always constantly fluctuating. I did see,
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Speaker 2: and I think we might mention it later that there
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Speaker 2: are millions of people who are currently supposed to be
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Speaker 2: going in front of the court immigration Corps for asylum
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Speaker 2: and or legal citizenship. Not many of those are being seen.
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Speaker 2: The backlog has literally like six hundred times what it
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Speaker 2: was ten years ago, so it was like significant amounts.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to I had to calculate that bout myself.
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Speaker 2: But by the way, y'all, I did some math for this.
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Speaker 2: So also with all of that, the current stays that
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Speaker 2: have the most detainees were tracked through track reports, and
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Speaker 2: I thought it was just interesting numbers. Texas is at
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Speaker 2: seventeen thousand, nine hundred and eight, Louisiana is at eight thousand,
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen, California is at five thousand, eight
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Speaker 2: hundred and seven, Florida is at five thousand, two hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty one, and Georgia is at four thousand, three
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty three. So back to that track reports,
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Speaker 2: they write, Texas has led all states in detaining populations
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Speaker 2: at both points in time, followed by Louisiana, California, Florida,
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Speaker 2: and Georgia, though all five states assall modest declines. The
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Speaker 2: single busiest facility, the ro El Paso Camp East Montana
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Speaker 2: in El Paso, Texas, averaged nine hundred and fifty four
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Speaker 2: detainees per day as of February, and that figure fell
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Speaker 2: to two thousand, five hundred and five by April, so
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Speaker 2: again a little dip, a little dip, but this probably
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Speaker 2: doesn't also doesn't count the fact that they are being
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Speaker 2: shifted about as well as they're being deported without any
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Speaker 2: due process. With the actual detentions, there's also the Alternate
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Speaker 2: two detention programs, or the ATD that has been used
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Speaker 2: by DHS as well. So the most att enrollments by
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Speaker 2: cities is led by San Francisco, followed by Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago,
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Speaker 2: New York. So as of April this year, they're around
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty one thousand people being monitored. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that looks like being monitored, but
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Speaker 2: that could be ankle monitors, which are also privately owned. Man,
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Speaker 2: it sure makes it's sure a good way to make
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Speaker 2: money to violate human rights in the US, and that, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I want to talk more about that. So there have
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Speaker 2: been hundreds of thousands of people who are currently on
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Speaker 2: the ATD program. It is interesting to see that California
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Speaker 2: is leading that. To me, I find that fascinating, especially
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Speaker 2: with the amount of detentions. But then again, the amount
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Speaker 2: of detentions are not necessarily from that area. It's just
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Speaker 2: where they are being sent because we know they love
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Speaker 2: sending people out of state to cause mass confusion. And
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Speaker 2: as we had discussed previously, the amount of convicted evillens
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Speaker 2: that are being detained are a lot less than what
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Speaker 2: the administration are trying to portray. In fact, around seventy
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Speaker 2: one percent have no criminal convictions, and those that do
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Speaker 2: are typically minor infractions such as traffic tickets or something similar.
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Speaker 2: And to add to the statistics from that same track
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Speaker 2: report dot org, according to current court records, so what
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Speaker 2: they have on file, only one point eight two percent
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Speaker 2: of the cases seeking deportation orders are actually based on
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Speaker 2: alleged criminal activity one point eight two percent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the number of facilities being used across the
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Speaker 1: United States as well as Guam, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and
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Speaker 1: other islands. It's a total of four hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: six facilities, but the numbers are somewhat difficult to keep
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Speaker 1: track of as the official numbers the DHS uses are
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Speaker 1: significantly lower. Back to that Davis Vanguard dot org report quote.
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Speaker 1: According to the report, ICE is using a total of
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Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty six facilities excluding medical facilities, despite
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Speaker 1: only acknowledging two hundred and twenty facilities on its website
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Speaker 1: and in public reports. According to VERA, since President Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump took office, ISIS opened one hundred and fifty two
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Speaker 1: new facilities to detain immigrants and reopened one hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy others as well, And it seems the information about
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Speaker 1: medical facilities were purposely left out. So from vera dot
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Speaker 1: org quote, over the past seventeen years, IS has held
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Speaker 1: people in at least two hundred and seventy seven medical facilities.
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Speaker 2: Right, which is amazing that we were leaving that number
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Speaker 2: out oddly even though they're holding people there. Yeah, so
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Speaker 2: what is going on with these facilities? As we talked
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Speaker 2: about earlier with the budget details, the new funds have
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Speaker 2: allowed for at least forty five billion dollars for new
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Speaker 2: ICE attention centers, which is more than three times the
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Speaker 2: ICE annual budget previously, like in total, not even just
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Speaker 2: that part. And with that they wanted to add more
9:21
Speaker 2: money to the budget as if they hadn't they haven't
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Speaker 2: had the largest funding in the history of the government,
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Speaker 2: but were stalled by a standoff with the Democratic leaders,
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Speaker 2: which was a surprise. But after seventy six days of
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Speaker 2: a partial shutdown, harshly affecting agencies like the TSA, which
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Speaker 2: then brought in more ICE agents who didn't know what
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Speaker 2: they were doing in another area, which is yep, well,
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Speaker 2: I will say it was entertainment in the very more
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Speaker 2: dark humor way to see, they have reopened the government
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Speaker 2: without giving more funding to ICE and border patrol. However,
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Speaker 2: with that small victory, this conversation is still and play
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Speaker 2: that money being used, as the Republicans have stated they
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Speaker 2: would get the funds separately through the budget reconcilidation process,
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Speaker 2: which is interesting since they could have done that from
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Speaker 2: the beginning without a shutdown.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like they don't know what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: Or that they just don't care. They wanted to cause
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Speaker 2: chaos and thought this would make the Democrats look bad.
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Speaker 2: Instead they all looked bad because no one really was
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Speaker 2: upset except except for people in the TSA are going
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Speaker 2: to the airports. Yeah, it wasn't as big as like
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Speaker 2: it was big, don't get me wrong. People lost paychecks,
10:32
Speaker 2: people lost time and all of that. But more people
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Speaker 2: saw this as a need to be like, okay, yes,
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Speaker 2: actually shut it down. I would rather this happened than
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Speaker 2: this happened. So didn't get backfired on the Republicans, thinking
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Speaker 2: that they were going to make someone look bad. It
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Speaker 2: didn't and instead made them look really unprepared. Yeah, we'll
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Speaker 2: just say that. So let's talk about the money for
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Speaker 2: a minute. They have been able to obtain large scale
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Speaker 2: warehouses are something similar to use as detention centers, which
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Speaker 2: are often revamped and I'm putting that in quotes because
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Speaker 2: it's very quickly, seemingly with very little oversight. In fact,
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Speaker 2: they're using those no bid contracts which we talked about
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Speaker 2: a bit before, but as a refresher, the Britaincenter dot
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Speaker 2: org describes the typical process of outsourcing for government services
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Speaker 2: like this. They say, the federal government outsources the procurement
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Speaker 2: of goods, services, and construction projects to more than one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand companies every year. Contractors typically respond to requests
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Speaker 2: for proposals and compete against one another based on price, expertise,
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Speaker 2: and the services they can provide. This process provides transparency
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Speaker 2: and fairness in addition to ensuring the government does not
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Speaker 2: waste tax payer dollars, which also seems like the epititme
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Speaker 2: of capitalism. Right, the better business person, the better deals. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so that is not what they're doing. Obviously, they're doing
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Speaker 2: the opposite of anything that's transparent. Again. Yeah, and Trump
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Speaker 2: administration has like been like, nah, we're cool, We'll do
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Speaker 2: what we want. In fact, a warehouse that was bought
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Speaker 2: out by the government in Social Circle, Georgia was done
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Speaker 2: almost in complete secrecy and for four times its value.
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Speaker 2: It was bought at one hundred and thirty million dollars.
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Speaker 2: It was not worth anywhere near that as an In fact,
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Speaker 2: I want to say it was like twelve million. I
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Speaker 2: want to say it was like ten times its value.
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Speaker 2: Social Circle, y'all is a podunk town. No offense to
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Speaker 2: those who are out there, but it is tiny, tiny, tiny,
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Speaker 2: tiny town that literally only has two lane roads. So
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty dollars million purchase there is obscene.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And they did the same with signing contracts
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Speaker 1: with for profit prison systems as well. From that same
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Speaker 1: Brennancenter dot Org article quote, Trump's declaration of a border
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Speaker 1: emergency in January twenty twenty five has allowed ICE to
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Speaker 1: largely up using competitive processes and instead award no bid
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Speaker 1: contracts to massive private prison contractors Core Civic and Geo Group.
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Speaker 1: In a notable example, ICE awarded core Civic a sixth
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Speaker 1: month no bid contract last March to reactivate a notorious
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Speaker 1: one thousand and thirty three bed former federal prison in Levenworth, Kansas.
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Speaker 2: Right and Manuel, they are making a killing, so the
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Speaker 2: article continues, and they wrote. In September, Ice issued Courcivic
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Speaker 2: a twenty four month contract for that facility and a
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Speaker 2: California facility that is expected to bring the contractor approximately
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Speaker 2: sixty million dollars in annual revenue. Ice also entered a
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Speaker 2: no bid fifteen year contact with Geogroup worth one billion
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Speaker 2: dollars for the management of Delaney Hall, a one thousand
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Speaker 2: bed facility in New Jersey. And as a fun side note,
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Speaker 2: a fifteen year term is not typical, is not heard of.
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Speaker 2: In fact, most cut terms are only from one to
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Speaker 2: five years at most, so it is ridiculous. They really
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Speaker 2: boldly have been able to get these contracts with no
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Speaker 2: kind of oversight, which is a fun fact that doesn't
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Speaker 2: seem to be getting many alarms except for people who
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Speaker 2: are reporting it. I feel like we've not talked about
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Speaker 2: that enough.
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Speaker 1: Also, your use of fun facts is an interesting one,
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Speaker 1: but yes, the point takens sarcasm hashtag sarcasm.
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Speaker 2: But this isn't just for private corporations, though more so
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Speaker 2: than not. So obviously, this is a lot about private corporations,
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Speaker 2: but not all of it. It all has also benefitted
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Speaker 2: local gels as they are renting out their beds to
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Speaker 2: ICE as well. So according to that Brendon Center report,
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Speaker 2: gels are paid between seventy dollars to one hundred and
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Speaker 2: ten dollars per day per bed, and mini jails are
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Speaker 2: taking advantage of that such a way, meaning they're having
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Speaker 2: over capacity in order to get that money. I loved
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Speaker 2: how the local jills are like. This is in the
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Speaker 2: state of Georgia. It's true the governor signed a bill
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Speaker 2: saying that they had to comply with that article we
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Speaker 2: talked about where local law enforcements have to cooperate and
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Speaker 2: work with ICE. It's true, however, it is making them money,
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Speaker 2: so I don't think they're really that unhappy, right, But
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Speaker 2: the overpriced buying of facilities have been happening all throughout
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Speaker 2: the country. We're coming back to that report. The Trump
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Speaker 2: administration has already acquired other large manufacturing warehouses, each intended
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Speaker 2: to house between five thousand to ten thousand people. In
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Speaker 2: January twenty twenty six, ICE bought two warehouses, paying over
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Speaker 2: one hundred million for a site in Haggerstown, Maryland, and
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Speaker 2: more than seventy million for another in Surprise, Arizona. In February,
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Speaker 2: the agency paid approximately eighty seven million for a warehouse
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Speaker 2: in Upper Burn Township, Pennsylvania. The agency also recently paid
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty three million for an eight hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty six thousand square foot warehouse near El Paso, Texas.
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Speaker 2: I say is reportedly looking at multiple other properties across
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Speaker 2: the country, and the process has been shrouded in secrecy. Again.
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Speaker 2: So with all of these quickly bought, quickly built, quickly
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Speaker 2: filled the detention centers, we have seen quite a bit
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Speaker 2: of pushback from the locals, including those who voted for
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Speaker 2: this to even happen. It's one of those moments of like,
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Speaker 2: oh wait, wait, wait, this is the reality, this might
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Speaker 2: affect me. Oh no, and y'all it is all selfish,
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Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with being humane. Back to
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Speaker 2: what has happened in social circle. I'm using them as
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Speaker 2: an example because unfortunately, I just watched a video talking
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Speaker 2: about to some of the citizens, including one Mexican national
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Speaker 2: who is trying to get a citizenship, who was like,
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Speaker 2: I'm torn. I know they have to do this to
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Speaker 2: keep them safe, keep us safe, but at the same time,
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Speaker 2: I hope they're nice. Oh no, dude is about to
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Speaker 2: be locked up. I don't know what he was thinking. Yeah, anyway,
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Speaker 2: back to this area is predominantly Trump supporting area. They
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Speaker 2: voted very much in support of Trump. Like I said,
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Speaker 2: they are still like trying to be loyal in a
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Speaker 2: chunk of the mar They've had mating small protests and
17:21
Speaker 2: even all all out shutoffs to show their unhappiness with
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Speaker 2: the situation. Many of the residents are concerned with the
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Speaker 2: overall costs of the taxpayers and individuals for such a
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Speaker 2: massive structure, as well as water. So this was a
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Speaker 2: CBS News interview which they did talk with city manager
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Speaker 2: Eric Taylor, who said this, we are one hundred percent
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Speaker 2: opposed to it. We can't process much more than that.
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Speaker 2: We're at about Anything's talking about water. We're at about
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Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand gallons a day during peak months. This
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Speaker 2: leaves just two hundred thousand gallons to serve a city
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Speaker 2: of five thousand. Adding ten thousand beds would triple the
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Speaker 2: population two hundred thousand gallons more just isn't enough and
18:01
Speaker 2: there's no way we could handle another million gallons. On
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Speaker 2: top of that, he was so upset that he actually
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Speaker 2: shut off the water to the warehouse and sewage, which
18:11
Speaker 2: held up the construction and opening up the facility. Yeah,
18:14
Speaker 2: he went all out and he was like, you know what,
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Speaker 2: cut it off, cut it down, shut it down. And
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Speaker 2: apparently I don't know much about Social Circle. Do you
18:22
Speaker 2: know much about Social Circle?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: So it's towards North Georgia. It's in the mountains, y all,
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Speaker 2: it's in the mountains, and they have a whole saying
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Speaker 2: the reason they're name Social Circle has to do with
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Speaker 2: their well and their water supply. So this is very
18:38
Speaker 2: important to them. Yeah, in this conversation, obviously it should
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Speaker 2: be to anyone because we're also dealing with data centers,
18:44
Speaker 2: which is a whole different conversation, and we're talking about
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Speaker 2: water usage with that resources being taken and used and
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Speaker 2: corrupted and polluted. But this is a one specific situation
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Speaker 2: because no one was talked to. The city manager had
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Speaker 2: no idea suppose that this was happening, That the mayor
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Speaker 2: there had no idea that this was happening that it
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Speaker 2: was just bought out and moved on, which I thought
19:07
Speaker 2: they had a whole process for things like institutions in
19:12
Speaker 2: the area, like the cities that they have to right
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Speaker 2: off of, but apparently they don't, because if your federal government,
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Speaker 2: you do what you want. And though they are still
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Speaker 2: in talks to move forward with this project, it's currently
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Speaker 2: on pause today and again with the video I saw today.
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Speaker 2: The news report I saw today was the mayor backtracking
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Speaker 2: a little bit, saying that he's having good talks with
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Speaker 2: the government about possible solutions. But he also came back
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Speaker 2: with but these possible solutions are not feasible, like doing
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Speaker 2: a knew well that doesn't help keep the water supply up.
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Speaker 2: That's still from the same water right, so I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure what that would do. They're also talked about bringing
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Speaker 2: in their own water, bringing in millions of gallons of water,
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Speaker 2: and then it was like, we only have two lane roads,
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Speaker 2: how are you gonna get that here? Yeah, I'm flistered,
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Speaker 2: But Social Circle isn't the only one who opposes these facilities.
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Speaker 1: No, no, they aren't. And though the facilities aren't completely
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Speaker 1: shut down, in other places, they have decreased the population
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Speaker 1: quite a bit from stateline dot org quote that includes
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Speaker 1: discussions about a proposed Arizona detention center where DHS agreed
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Speaker 1: to scale back the number of prisoners by two thirds
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Speaker 1: npascity for lost taxes, and a proposed center in Maryland
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Speaker 1: with a similar offer from the Department. A lawsuit also
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Speaker 1: is holding up work on that detention center, and places
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Speaker 1: like Kansas City, Missouri, halted sales of one warehouse with
20:53
Speaker 1: the ban on non municipal detention centers.
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Speaker 2: Right, which is something that has been an issue that
20:59
Speaker 2: the govern owners and Senates have been talking about about
21:04
Speaker 2: whether or not to put a band that they would
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Speaker 2: put a ban in place. Yeah, only one candidate actually
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Speaker 2: said they would do it, though others said they would
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Speaker 2: at least pause it. One said outright ban, which is interesting.
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Speaker 2: And these are from the Democratic candidates. Yeah.
21:25
Speaker 1: I would love for listeners to write in about this,
21:27
Speaker 1: but I have to say, we've talked about this before
21:30
Speaker 1: on the show, how confusing the ballot can be, and
21:36
Speaker 1: they're kind of do you approve this proposition or whatever.
21:42
Speaker 1: I feel like this year was the first time I
21:44
Speaker 1: went in and I researched before, so I knew this
21:47
Speaker 1: was going to be on there, but they were. It
21:49
Speaker 1: was very like, do you approve this billionaire jerk stealing
21:53
Speaker 1: all of your money?
21:57
Speaker 2: No, Like you start really like this is a trick.
22:01
Speaker 2: Question is this a true trick?
22:02
Speaker 1: It felt very much like, you know, coming for somebody
22:06
Speaker 1: in the battle. Though I have to say.
22:08
Speaker 2: There's one person, Jeff.
22:10
Speaker 1: They were clearly referencing somebody specific. I think I know
22:13
Speaker 1: who it is.
22:14
Speaker 2: Is it Rick?
22:15
Speaker 1: Is the guy who told me it took all the
22:17
Speaker 1: like government money from COVID. I think, oh, But it
22:23
Speaker 1: was very it was kind of copical. I was like, wow,
22:26
Speaker 1: you're not holding back on these.
22:28
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm ready to fight somebody. So currently, these
22:32
Speaker 2: four profit contractors, as well as the federal government, have
22:35
Speaker 2: been continued to be blasted for their lack of transparency
22:38
Speaker 2: and overall decency as they're continued reports of no due
22:42
Speaker 2: process abuse within the system and overall neglect of those
22:45
Speaker 2: who are detained. And it doesn't help that DHS has
22:48
Speaker 2: reportedly shut down their branch that investigates abuse and neglect
22:52
Speaker 2: of immigrants and refugees. So this is from a huff
22:55
Speaker 2: Post article who broke the story. The Department of Homeland
22:58
Speaker 2: Security is closing an office response sable for investigating misconduct
23:01
Speaker 2: and abuse in the immigration detention system. According to the
23:04
Speaker 2: internal email to DHS employees obtained by h Posts, the
23:08
Speaker 2: Office of Immigration Detention on Buzman is in the process
23:11
Speaker 2: of removing all its public signage and ending its inspections.
23:15
Speaker 2: According to the email, the office's public facing website, which
23:19
Speaker 2: advised the families and attorneys of detainees on how to
23:22
Speaker 2: file complaints, was down as of Monday afternoon, and this
23:25
Speaker 2: was reported just recently. Even basic information web pages explaining
23:29
Speaker 2: the office's responsibility appeared to have been taken offline. So
23:34
Speaker 2: when asked about the closure, DHS claimed it wasn't a
23:38
Speaker 2: closure by them, but the federal government, as the House
23:42
Speaker 2: passed the DHS appropriation Bill, So literally like you didn't
23:45
Speaker 2: give us extra money, so that means we can't keep
23:48
Speaker 2: them open. So Congress really shut them down. Sir. You've
23:54
Speaker 2: been able to keep the rest of ICE and CBP
23:58
Speaker 2: up with and hiring more and more and buy more
24:00
Speaker 2: and more buildings, and you still have excess money. What
24:02
Speaker 2: do you mean you can't open this weird as there
24:06
Speaker 2: are also claiming a budget that has been exponentially larger
24:09
Speaker 2: than any other term was not enough to fund the
24:12
Speaker 2: small office. So the report goes on the email attributed
24:16
Speaker 2: the closure to a lack of funding in the Homeland
24:19
Speaker 2: Security appropriation bills that ended the recent shutdown. But it
24:24
Speaker 2: doesn't really talk about there needs to be a shutdown,
24:28
Speaker 2: like there was no conversations about that. That's the first
24:30
Speaker 2: thing that needs to go. By the way, this office
24:33
Speaker 2: has already lost a lot of his staff. When we
24:35
Speaker 2: talked about that previously, about how everything was bundant in
24:39
Speaker 2: that big beautiful bill budget, they had already lost a
24:43
Speaker 2: lot of his staff. They went from one hundred people
24:45
Speaker 2: down to five, down to five. Yeah, but now it's obsolete. Supposedly,
24:52
Speaker 2: this seems this to me, seems to be a ploy
24:55
Speaker 2: to allow for more abuse of behaviors within the facility,
24:57
Speaker 2: which continues to be a tactic, a purposeful time an unset, unwritten,
25:02
Speaker 2: but but said tactic used to intiminate and harass attainees
25:06
Speaker 2: to self deporting.
25:08
Speaker 1: Yes, so reports of abuse have only increased From Minnesota
25:14
Speaker 1: reformer dot com quote. The Washington Post reviewed hundreds of
25:18
Speaker 1: internal Immigration and Customs enforcement emails called the Daily Detainee
25:22
Speaker 1: Assault Report, which details incidents in which guards used physical
25:26
Speaker 1: force against detainees at ninety eight ice detention facilities. During
25:31
Speaker 1: the first year of Trump's second term, detention center staff
25:35
Speaker 1: used physical force or chemical agents on detainees at least
25:39
Speaker 1: seven hundred and eighty times, according to the Post analysis,
25:42
Speaker 1: a thirty seven percent increase over the previous year. And
25:47
Speaker 1: with like with a lot of these things, these numbers
25:49
Speaker 1: are undercounted, as reports show that the statistic does not
25:53
Speaker 1: include around one hundred and forty facilities nationwide.
25:57
Speaker 2: Right which seems like a pretty big number to be missing,
26:02
Speaker 2: and I have a feeling some of that includes like
26:04
Speaker 2: Guam and Guenttanamo Bay, which however, there are those still
26:10
Speaker 2: who are fighting to keep these independent offices, especially this
26:14
Speaker 2: oversight watchdog office. The Robert and fle Kennedy Human Rights
26:17
Speaker 2: Center has currently filed a lawsuit to fight to keep
26:20
Speaker 2: this office up, open and running, so we'll see what
26:23
Speaker 2: happens with that. Hopefully that puts some pressure to at
26:26
Speaker 2: least keep the five employees. But with a lack of training,
26:32
Speaker 2: a lack of accountability in little court procedures actually being done,
26:37
Speaker 2: we are seeing more and more abuse and even death.
26:40
Speaker 2: And we went over some of these incidents in our
26:42
Speaker 2: previous episodes, but according to ABC News, there are currently
26:47
Speaker 2: forty nine reported deaths within the ice Attention Center, so
26:50
Speaker 2: it's within the facilities. And this is from La Taco
26:54
Speaker 2: dot com, which is a publication located in LA that
26:57
Speaker 2: report locally and also culturally related news a lot about
27:01
Speaker 2: immigrations and refugees. I love them. I thought maybe it's
27:04
Speaker 2: about tacos. It's more like, you know, working with people
27:07
Speaker 2: who work in that. I think it's tongue in cheek,
27:09
Speaker 2: I mean, very informative site and they have grafted and
27:13
Speaker 2: laid out the number of ice related deaths, including within
27:16
Speaker 2: the facilities, and as of May fifth, there have been
27:19
Speaker 2: reported at least sixty four deaths, and on their site
27:23
Speaker 2: they have also named the victims and the information about
27:26
Speaker 2: their deaths. I think they are honoring these people so
27:29
Speaker 2: they that we don't forget their name as we should.
27:32
Speaker 2: And also some of these cases could do include a
27:35
Speaker 2: medical neglect within the facility and allowing for their release
27:38
Speaker 2: without any treatment, so knowing that they're not medically healthy,
27:42
Speaker 2: not giving the treatment, just standing them out. And we've
27:43
Speaker 2: seen that happen before. We've had many reports showing that
27:46
Speaker 2: as well. So these include those types of death, the
27:50
Speaker 2: help in medical neglect in the facilities have been a
27:53
Speaker 2: huge issue. In fact, when it comes to women and
27:55
Speaker 2: children being detained, there have been several concerns that people
27:58
Speaker 2: have reported but haven't been addressed or haven't even been acknowledged.
28:03
Speaker 2: But before we jump into those health concerns, let's talk
28:06
Speaker 2: more numbers. Currently, they're reporting that more than sixty two
28:10
Speaker 2: hundred children or six thy two hundred children have been
28:13
Speaker 2: detained since January twenty twenty five, and according to the
28:18
Speaker 2: Marshall Project, the number of children detained per day has
28:20
Speaker 2: jumped sixfold since the beginning of this administration, so the
28:24
Speaker 2: second term of Trump and the age range is huge,
28:29
Speaker 2: starting at as young as two months old. I'm honestly
28:34
Speaker 2: surprised we haven't seen newborns since they are detaining pregnant
28:39
Speaker 2: women and there may be and they just don't report it. Again,
28:43
Speaker 2: these numbers are wildly incorrect. This is estimations, and we
28:48
Speaker 2: don't know how badly these estimations are again because they
28:52
Speaker 2: don't tell us anything, and because a lot of the
28:54
Speaker 2: children aren't getting any due process or any kind of
28:57
Speaker 2: representation from an adult. So the reminder and the conditions
29:02
Speaker 2: of these sinners are horrid and have included outbreaks of
29:05
Speaker 2: measles and tuberculosis, again from the Marshall project or article.
29:09
Speaker 2: They write in court documents families have described horrific conditions
29:13
Speaker 2: while detained with their children and deli. They reported moldy,
29:17
Speaker 2: worm filled food and foul tasting, undrinkable water, with little
29:21
Speaker 2: for children to do. Some resorted to playing with rocks,
29:24
Speaker 2: which I saw videos of that, and I can't handle it.
29:27
Speaker 2: Parents worried about the psychological toll of detention, describing children
29:31
Speaker 2: hitting themselves in their faces or wetting themselves despite being
29:34
Speaker 2: potty trained. I will note that I've also seen reports
29:38
Speaker 2: about self inflected harm on these children and people as well.
29:42
Speaker 2: The fact that they are given one bottle of water
29:44
Speaker 2: per day, and when I say a bottle, I mean
29:46
Speaker 2: a small bottle of water per but day per child.
29:49
Speaker 2: They're not giving blankets, they're not giving bed they're not
29:52
Speaker 2: given new clothing. Oftentimes clothing are ripped. They're not given
29:56
Speaker 2: access to toilets to begin with. I have even heard
29:59
Speaker 2: reports that at one point, and this might be not
30:01
Speaker 2: necessarily in children's facilities. And again this is alleged that
30:06
Speaker 2: people had to drink out of toilets because they weren't
30:09
Speaker 2: given enough water. So it is horrible. And it is
30:12
Speaker 2: a lot like chain league fences in no privacy whatsoever
30:17
Speaker 2: and bright fluorescent lights twenty four to seven. So it's torture.
30:20
Speaker 3: It is torture for all of them.
30:32
Speaker 2: So the Dilley Detention Center was originally closed down by
30:35
Speaker 2: the Biden administration because of all of those bad things,
30:39
Speaker 2: but is now open and operated by for profit private
30:42
Speaker 2: company cour Civic. And of course they have not followed
30:45
Speaker 2: their own policies, which include meaning they being the government,
30:50
Speaker 2: which you could having the parents to be able to
30:52
Speaker 2: say what is to happen with their young children or
30:56
Speaker 2: even being with them. So they're not given any choice
30:59
Speaker 2: about where their children are going or what's happening with
31:02
Speaker 2: their children, even though they're supposed to be and for
31:04
Speaker 2: the most part they're supposed to be kept together at
31:05
Speaker 2: least with one parent. That is not happening either. And
31:09
Speaker 2: another part is if they're being deported, they have the
31:11
Speaker 2: option of taking the miners with them. That's not being
31:13
Speaker 2: given as an option as either, so literally children are
31:16
Speaker 2: being abandoned. This makes me go down like a rabbit
31:19
Speaker 2: hole about foster care and adopting children out. But we're
31:22
Speaker 2: not going to go down that wormhole. But this has
31:24
Speaker 2: been a practice before with immigration issues where for profit
31:30
Speaker 2: private They say they're nonprofit, but I don't think they are.
31:34
Speaker 2: Small Christian facilities or Christian companies that do adoptions and
31:39
Speaker 2: foster care have profited off things like this. So as
31:43
Speaker 2: a minor note to that, several kids again were often
31:47
Speaker 2: unaccompanied within the facilities, as well being detained longer front
31:50
Speaker 2: of the period allowed, which is twenty days. They're not
31:53
Speaker 2: supposed to be detained for more than twenty days. Many
31:56
Speaker 2: continue to be there for more than a month or longer,
32:00
Speaker 2: and in facilities like Camp East Montana, which is really
32:04
Speaker 2: confusing because they're actually in El Paso, Texas. Why would
32:08
Speaker 2: you do that to us? Maybe on purpose. There are
32:10
Speaker 2: at least fourteen confirmed cases as of March of measles,
32:14
Speaker 2: so this is from Scientificamerican dot com. At least fourteen
32:17
Speaker 2: people to dained at Camp East Montana, located on the
32:20
Speaker 2: Fort Bliss Army base, have tested positive for the disease
32:23
Speaker 2: and are being quarantined. NBC reported as many as one
32:27
Speaker 2: thy five hundred people are currently in the facility. According
32:30
Speaker 2: to recent reports. And yeah, that actually just started with
32:33
Speaker 2: two cases in the end of February that obviously didn't
32:37
Speaker 2: do much. Just maybe they did because maybe you know,
32:39
Speaker 2: fourteen being that LoVa number in a facility with fifteen
32:42
Speaker 2: hundred people, and then some with the staff, maybe they
32:46
Speaker 2: did as best they could. Still, that even happening is absurd,
32:51
Speaker 2: and the illness that had been pretty much eradicated is
32:55
Speaker 2: now spreading throughout the country and under the supervision and
32:58
Speaker 2: spreading throughout one of the largest actually the largest i
33:02
Speaker 2: think still facility in the US.
33:06
Speaker 1: And there have been many complaints from detention centers like
33:10
Speaker 1: Dilly about the lack of medical care. From a CNN
33:14
Speaker 1: article written by micro Rosenberg, quote, the lack of reliable
33:18
Speaker 1: medical care was perhaps the most serious concern parents and
33:21
Speaker 1: children spoke about in their interviews with me. The Texas
33:24
Speaker 1: based nonprofit advocacy organization RAISIS, which provides legal representation to
33:30
Speaker 1: many families in Dilly, set in a recent court declaration
33:33
Speaker 1: that its clients had raised concerns about insufficient medical care
33:36
Speaker 1: on at least seven hundred occasions since August twenty twenty five.
33:41
Speaker 1: The organization reported children with medical complaints frequently experienced delays, dismissals,
33:47
Speaker 1: or lack of follow up.
33:49
Speaker 2: Right, so it is it is on file that these
33:52
Speaker 2: things are happening currently. I haven't heard many much recently,
33:57
Speaker 2: but I know in March we had A and US
34:00
Speaker 2: trying to get in there. We had people who are
34:02
Speaker 2: trying to get in their organizations trying to get in
34:03
Speaker 2: there to see what was happening inside the facilities. There
34:06
Speaker 2: were several interviews with different children and people within these
34:10
Speaker 2: facilities as well that have been published and released. I
34:13
Speaker 2: haven't heard much since then, but there are those out
34:16
Speaker 2: there with reports and individual stories that I think are
34:18
Speaker 2: important that if you have time to go and read
34:21
Speaker 2: or watch, you should. And I will say the situation
34:25
Speaker 2: where the women are also very concerning, especially those who
34:28
Speaker 2: may be pregnant or postpartum. This is from an article
34:31
Speaker 2: from the Physicians for Human Rights or PHR. Quote a
34:34
Speaker 2: new report from the Women's Reputee Commission WRC and Physicians
34:38
Speaker 2: for Human Rights PHR, based on firsthand interviews with recently
34:42
Speaker 2: deported parents and reception center staff in Honduras, documents clear
34:46
Speaker 2: violations of US immigration policy. What about my children? My
34:51
Speaker 2: family separation among parents deported to Honduras, which is The
34:54
Speaker 2: report finds US Immigration and Customs enforcements failed to follow
34:59
Speaker 2: its own policy to protect a family unit, including a
35:02
Speaker 2: requirement that they ask anyone they arrest if they have children,
35:05
Speaker 2: and ensure that parents have an opportunity to decide what
35:08
Speaker 2: happens to their children if the parents are deported. The
35:11
Speaker 2: report also finds that pregnant and postpartum women are detained
35:14
Speaker 2: and deported without adequate medical care, in violation of ICE's
35:18
Speaker 2: own directives. So in these reports, they note many concerns
35:23
Speaker 2: and violations made by Trump administration, including separating mothers from children,
35:27
Speaker 2: deporting parents without their children, and the lack of medical
35:29
Speaker 2: care for women. One of their key findings are reported
35:32
Speaker 2: as this quote. ICE is detaining pregnant and postparduent women
35:37
Speaker 2: and not providing adequate medical care for pregnant women with
35:40
Speaker 2: life threatening conditions. This testament aligns with reports submitted to
35:44
Speaker 2: WRC's Pregnant Attention Tracker documenting mistreatment, inadequate health care, insufficient food,
35:50
Speaker 2: and shackling of pregnant and postpartum women in detention. Medical
35:54
Speaker 2: staff at the reception center described a twenty five year
35:56
Speaker 2: old pregnant women who bled for several days inside of
36:00
Speaker 2: detention facility, received no medical attention despite repeated requests, and
36:04
Speaker 2: arrived in Hondura's and emergency condition. Another woman diagnosed with
36:09
Speaker 2: a miscarriage was deported without receiving any treatment and required
36:12
Speaker 2: immediate hospitalization upon arrival. So, and this is a practice
36:18
Speaker 2: that's happening, which they're just shipping people out that they
36:20
Speaker 2: see are in emergencies instead of treating them, not caring
36:23
Speaker 2: about whether they live or die, as long as they
36:25
Speaker 2: don't die in the facility, is what it seems. Yeah,
36:30
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of concerns when it comes
36:31
Speaker 2: to women and girls in these facilities. At one point,
36:34
Speaker 2: one of the Texas representatives who wanted to visit with
36:36
Speaker 2: some of the pregnant women were told they were not
36:38
Speaker 2: on site. So Representative what quing Cashro expressed his concerns,
36:42
Speaker 2: which missmagazine dot com reported, so they wrote this. Castro
36:46
Speaker 2: also raised the alarmed about potential mistreatment of pregnant women.
36:50
Speaker 2: According to a local news coverage, Cashro's team requested to
36:53
Speaker 2: speak with pregnant women, only to be informed they all
36:56
Speaker 2: were off site at medical appointments. Meanwhile, reported that others
37:00
Speaker 2: at the facility share stories about women in bleeding and
37:03
Speaker 2: possibly miscarrying. Concerned that the DAILIY officials were quote hiding
37:07
Speaker 2: their pregnant women from him, Cashiro specifically sought to check
37:11
Speaker 2: in with a woman he'd been told is nine months
37:13
Speaker 2: pregnant who ended up being deported this week even though
37:16
Speaker 2: no airline would clear her for travel because she was
37:19
Speaker 2: on the brink of her due date. But these disturbing
37:22
Speaker 2: discoveries weren't their only concerns. Miss magazine reports that the
37:26
Speaker 2: pregnant women and uncompanied children have been sheltered in San Benito,
37:30
Speaker 2: partially due to the strict Texas abortion policies.
37:34
Speaker 1: Here's another quote from that article. Quote. Girls who wind
37:39
Speaker 1: up at San Benito are highest risk. They are more
37:42
Speaker 1: likely to have been raped and or to have sexually
37:45
Speaker 1: transmitted and other infections that make pregnancy more dangerous. These
37:50
Speaker 1: girls are less likely to have access to prenatal care,
37:53
Speaker 1: nutritious food, and a healthy environment, not to mention the
37:56
Speaker 1: trauma of being young, alone and attained. Sources for the
38:01
Speaker 1: report are anonymous government workers themselves. One of them shared
38:05
Speaker 1: that rank and file staff are losing sleep over it,
38:08
Speaker 1: wondering if kids are going to be placed in programs
38:11
Speaker 1: where they're not going to have access to the care
38:14
Speaker 1: that they need, right.
38:16
Speaker 2: And yeah, keeping them in Texas is intentional. Keeping them
38:20
Speaker 2: in Texas, shipping them from wherever around the country is
38:24
Speaker 2: so that they can make sure that they can monitor
38:27
Speaker 2: and do as they please with these pregnant girls or
38:31
Speaker 2: pregnant women, not giving them the appropriate access that they need.
38:35
Speaker 2: So if they're miscarrying, not helping them with those situations
38:39
Speaker 2: instead trying to keep the baby and I put that
38:43
Speaker 2: in quotes, save the fetus, and we're seeing that, and
38:48
Speaker 2: if they become a risk, I guess to ship them
38:50
Speaker 2: off quietly. So with these possible outcomes with this type
38:53
Speaker 2: of treatment, So we also have a lot of concerns
38:56
Speaker 2: and in conversations about what is happening, especially when it
38:58
Speaker 2: comes to rape or in rape. Priya is an act
39:02
Speaker 2: that happened while ago, Prison Rape Elimination Act trying to
39:08
Speaker 2: stop staff members from sexually harassing, abusing, or raping inmates
39:15
Speaker 2: because it was such a big deal that it had
39:17
Speaker 2: to be a whole act in itself. So seeing stuff
39:20
Speaker 2: like this is very concerning. So previously, in Trump's first administration,
39:25
Speaker 2: they decided that since ice attention centers are not technically
39:28
Speaker 2: jails or prison. They are not violating constitutional law if
39:32
Speaker 2: someone is assaulted or raped and is not persecuted to
39:35
Speaker 2: that degree. So Priya really goes at those who would
39:40
Speaker 2: abuse staff as supposed to keeping them accountable. Yeah, So
39:43
Speaker 2: Trouble was like, eah, ice is different, it's more most
39:47
Speaker 2: likely consensual. They really said that during one actual case,
39:53
Speaker 2: and I was like, is this twenty eighteen, Oh oh, okay,
39:56
Speaker 2: that makes sense. It's Trump first time round, and it's
40:00
Speaker 2: saying that if someone is assaulted again or right by
40:03
Speaker 2: a staff member, it doesn't violate constitutional law. And now
40:07
Speaker 2: we're seeing less and less oversight within these facilities that
40:10
Speaker 2: might be hiding at risk women and girls. And there's
40:14
Speaker 2: a lot of questions without any real answers. And today
40:18
Speaker 2: it seems that instead of actually actual law enforcement investigating
40:22
Speaker 2: any claims of sexual abuse, misconduct, or rape, the private
40:25
Speaker 2: companies do their own investigations. They're now their own law enforcement.
40:29
Speaker 2: From usnews dot Com. This report was reported from March
40:33
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six. San Diego County. Shar's office failed
40:36
Speaker 2: to investigate at least seven reported sexual assaults at the
40:39
Speaker 2: privately run Ota Mesa Immigration Detention Center in twenty twenty five,
40:44
Speaker 2: and record show the agency has seated control of the
40:47
Speaker 2: cases to civilian administrations employed by the nation's largest for
40:51
Speaker 2: profit prison contractor. Under a twenty twenty miorandum of understanding
40:55
Speaker 2: between the Sheriff's Department and cour Civic Detention Center, Ward
40:59
Speaker 2: and Christopher Lrose has authority to decide whether to investigate
41:03
Speaker 2: RIP allegations at the facility, which currently houses just under
41:06
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred federal immigration detainees, most of whom are in
41:10
Speaker 2: custody awaiting hearings and have not been convicted of a crime.
41:15
Speaker 2: And so when they questioned this the public, the Public
41:18
Speaker 2: Commissioner was like, hey, wait, wait, what is this. The
41:23
Speaker 2: sheriff stated that her department doesn't have enough staff to
41:26
Speaker 2: investigate all of these crimes, all these alleged misconducts, and
41:31
Speaker 2: she said misconduct, by the way, at these facilities. And
41:35
Speaker 2: this is the same facility that has blocked a public
41:38
Speaker 2: health inspector as well. But there's a whole loss that
41:40
Speaker 2: going on because of that little to very little none oversight, obviously,
41:47
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of troubling things happening right now,
41:50
Speaker 2: and as they continue to get worse, We're gonna keep
41:53
Speaker 2: talking about it, We're gonna keep looking at it. We're
41:54
Speaker 2: gonna take pauses because it's a lot to deal with,
41:57
Speaker 2: a lot to read, a lot to have to Again,
42:00
Speaker 2: not as much as what people are going through obviously
42:03
Speaker 2: those attainees who are there, who we need to be
42:06
Speaker 2: speaking of about more and more and more before it
42:08
Speaker 2: gets way too late. I don't know, not pessimist excited
42:13
Speaker 2: that is it way too late, But we have to
42:15
Speaker 2: keep talking about it. We have to keep this on record.
42:18
Speaker 2: I'm hoping like no matter what happens to us as
42:22
Speaker 2: a country, that we are allowed to still speak about
42:26
Speaker 2: the truth and what is happening as it is happening,
42:28
Speaker 2: and it's not whitewashed later down the road as many
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Speaker 2: of these horrific things are. But however, we're going to
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Speaker 2: end with this. There are a lot of those who
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Speaker 2: are fighting, as we talked about before, like the law
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Speaker 2: firm earlier, and some of these organizations La Taco dot
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Speaker 2: Com highlighted as well they have actual local areas. But
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Speaker 2: then they also highlighted things like Union del Barrio. They
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Speaker 2: describe it as this. Since nineteen eighty one, Union has
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Speaker 2: led struggles to resist migra and police violence, defend the
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Speaker 2: rights of workers, prisoners, mohares, and youth, and even launched
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Speaker 2: the numerous independent electoral campaigns. So it's interesting to see.
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Speaker 2: I think we've talked about them before, but National Day
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Speaker 2: Labor Organization Network which improves the lives of day laborers, migrants,
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Speaker 2: and low wage workers. And then the Immigrant Defenders Law
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Speaker 2: Center I think it goes by MDEF describes themselves as
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Speaker 2: this as a next generation social justice law firm that
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Speaker 2: defends our immigrant communities against injustice in the immigration systems.
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Speaker 2: So it's good to know things are happening. We know
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Speaker 2: that ACLU is doing a lot. We haven't really talked
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Speaker 2: about the Southern Poverty Law Center, Yeah right, SBLC, which
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Speaker 2: are now being investigated and out to look like they're
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Speaker 2: giving money which so many people jumped on to racists
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Speaker 2: and hate groups, which is not true. What they are
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Speaker 2: giving money to our informants who are giving reports back
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Speaker 2: about the hate crimes and hate groups. Instead, paid informants
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Speaker 2: are not illegal, they're used by FBI. FBI I have
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Speaker 2: just undercut this and trying to rewrite history about who
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Speaker 2: the SBLC are. Lord have mercy? What is this timeline.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and we are. Unfortunately, this mini series will continue.
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Speaker 1: It was very ambitious of you to say it would
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Speaker 2: It was ambitious to me to say it was one. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It was delusional, I guess to say it was one. Yeah.
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