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PODCAST: Episode 843 - Who Could Replace Peter Steele in a Type O Negative Tribute Show · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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What's up everybody, it's Kefi and I'm back with another ghost.
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cultnag.com live stream today. We're here to talk about Peter
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Steele and all the rumors swirling around Type O Negative.
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I'm sure the remaining living members of Type O Negative would
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prefer no discussions ever of stuff like this, but at the same
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time, I can't help but being a huge fan.
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I wore one of my Type O Negative shirts today.
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Thank you meth syndicate Type 2 diabetes because I in fact have
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type 2 diabetes and I love Type O Negative so much.
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And it is Halloween time and it is spooky season, which means
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it's Type O Negative season. So we have some news that we
1:40
were hit with recently. We've also done a couple of
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recent interviews with both Johnny Kelly and Kenny Hickey
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about Type O Negative related things or their other projects
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like Sun Don't Shine and and other things and, and some other
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goings on in the Type O Negative world, products, reissues,
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coffee, all these things. And so the conversation is
2:03
really never dies down. We get asked all the time if I
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think this band can never come back.
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I think the short answer is no, because Peter was such a unique
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and singular talent that he really can't be imitated or
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replicated. I think the band is putting
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together a live album they've been talking about right now.
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It's in the mixing stages. The first we really have ever
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heard about this. In the last week, we found out
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about this. And then also a lot of, you
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know, discussion around whether the band is comfortable ever
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doing like a tribute concert to Peter with Phil and people.
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So we'll talk about that in a second.
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We're bringing in a very special guest, ghost cultist Will Safar,
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who's going to come in and talk about this because he wrote an
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article that kind of spurred this whole discussion that you
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can read today at the Pen Post at ghostcoldman.com.
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In the meantime, I'll just quickly run through the
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minutiae. Obviously, I created this little
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this little slideshow here that always helps me keep on task
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because if I didn't have everything spoon fed to me, I
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would forget what the fuck day it is.
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You know, just a reminder, we've been we do live streams all the
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time in addition to our regular band interviews and other
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content we put out weekly. I just didn't have been doing a
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a weekly series of unveiling new bands for the upcoming debut
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Mojave Experience Festival in Joshua Tree in March.
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You can check out that on our channel also wherever you listen
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to podcasts, also our website. I have my weekly show coming up
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this Thursday where I recap all the things going on in the week
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of metal that was this will be part of that discussion, of
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course. And of course on my other
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podcasts of literally musical podcast.
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We just discussed the Life and Times of ace relief kids who
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passed away. And a whole piece of my
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childhood is gone, which sucks beyond belief.
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But you know, what are we going to do?
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Our heroes are leaving us. Feel free to drop a tip in the
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tip menu. I'll share that again in a
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second. And as always, whenever I'm
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joined by a guest, I always like split up the tips with them if I
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get any. So it's the beer fund, the weed
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fund or whatever fund. And so, you know, Peter, you
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know, how how do you approach something like this?
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Who are the bands that are inspired the most by Type O
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Negative? Who is there anyone out there
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who can come on a stage, pick up a microphone and do justice to
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Peter? A lot of people have covered
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Type O Negative. A lot of people tell you they
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love Type O Negative and then you listen to the music and you
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don't hear it. I know speculation is rampant
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and not good. So this conversation is a way to
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not do speculation, but to wish cast to make an educated wish
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like Deadpool about like what we would like to see if something
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like this were to happen. And you know, we love Peter and
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we love type of negative. And I've personally asked these
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questions, you know, and, and been smacked down, you know,
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live in a broadcast in certain cases by Johnny and Kenny.
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I feel very fortunate. They've been very big supporters
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of ghost cult. Myself and my partner Omar
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Cordy, we've interviewed them and hung out with them, quite a
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lot of FaceTime with them and just really great people.
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And, you know, I would never want to do anything to besmirch
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their reputation. They have not told us anything.
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We don't know anything, at least I don't know anything beyond
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what I, you know, rumblings everyone else's heart.
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So with that out of the way, here's like one of the last ever
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band photos of Typo. I'm sure when Typo was playing
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their final shows, they didn't think Peter was going to pass
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away and they were going to not ever come back again.
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And there has been a lot of type of negative discussion.
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We have this graphic novel and we have now Type O Negative
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Coffee, which saw a couple of events this past weekend and in
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Brooklyn and New Jersey, my friends were at Duffs for the
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for the coffee lunch with concept cafes where we've
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interviewed and done a lot of work with and a lot of upcoming
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taste test videos and things like that.
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So I wanted to bring in will suffer from ghost cult.
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He has also contributed this awesome article.
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Here's Will, here's me. We're going to do the Brady
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Bunch. We're going to try to do the
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Brady Bunch. There it is.
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Took me a minute. Which one is it anyway?
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Will, how are you? I think I muted you.
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You can unmute yourself. And thanks for being here.
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And I hope you're well. Thanks so much.
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And happy Halloween to you, Sir. Hey, what's up?
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Yeah, this is this is my big holiday, Halloween, of course.
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So yes, I'm pretty stoked about it.
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And it's always, you know, if type of negative is going to
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drop some news, this is the time to, you know, kind of do it.
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And yeah, makes sense. Makes sense to me.
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Right on. I appreciate you being here and
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I appreciate this this article you wrote.
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So first and foremost, you know, we, you talked about like, you
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know, this whole genre of gothic metal and doom and goth kind of
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overlapping and we've seen a lot of it and a lot and it's become
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a lot more prominent. So I always say that doom metal,
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like fans had a catch up to it. It's been around for ages, you
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know, if you want to trace it back to before and beginning
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with Black Sabbath. But you know, Type O Negative
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was his own special thing. They really were a hybrid of
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these, you know, special kinds of bands and their own filter in
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which it came through. And it wasn't just Peter,
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obviously. It's an entire band.
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First Sal and then Johnny on drums and and Josh's talent and
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Kenny's talent and vocals and guitar and it was all these
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things together. Type O Negative does not sound
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like Carnivore. Type O Negative does not sound
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like New York hardcore much, just a little bit of strains of
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it existing still because of who those guys were and the bands
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they played with. But we don't know anything.
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We we have heard, we know there's a live album coming in
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2026. It's being mixed now and we know
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that the band is now open to some kind of tribute concert.
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Does that mean they're going to go full Pantera, put a band
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together and go on tour? I don't think so.
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I've personally spoken to both of those guys, specifically
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Kenny and Johnny, and they both kind of swore on a stack of
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bibles or satanic bibles that they would never can't foresee
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Type O Negative reuniting without Peter.
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It doesn't seem right. It doesn't feel right.
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I think it personally hurts Kenny to go play gigs with his
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other bands and have people yell out Type O Negative songs like
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he's some trained monkey. I know it hurts his feelings.
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I know it hurts him like he can't be seen as anything other
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than Kenny from Type O Negative. I will tell you that Sun Don't
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Shine is fucking stellar with the guys from Down and and Kenny
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and Johnny. I love Silver Tomb in addition
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to be, you know, loving the band and having interviewed them for
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that project, help run a silver tomb Facebook page.
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So like I'm into it, right. This is a band that's my in my
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wheelhouse and I saw a typho negative like 10 times.
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I could have seen them 100 times.
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They played New York City so much when I was growing up.
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I could have like went every week to see them and seen them
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somewhere in the tri-state area and I saw them just a few
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handfuls of times and one of those was an Oz fest for like 20
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minutes. So you know, I do miss the band.
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I miss Peter. He was lovely.
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I met him once. He was very close with my
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co-owner Omar Cordy used to call his house and talk to him and
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his mom all the time. He would give Omar advice.
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But Omar's fledgling bands. So I don't, I don't know that
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type of negative is going to do a full on.
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We're going to put the band back together with somebody or
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somebody's, but before we get into a tribute concert on paper
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and who we would recruit to be part of it.
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What are your thoughts about Type O Negative?
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Like, why do you what do you love about Type O Negative?
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Why do you think they have this endearing quality that people
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continue to love the band so much?
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Yeah, Type O Negative. I mean, they've been one of my
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favorite bands since I got slipped deep and hard, you know,
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some some back in the 90s. They're because they kind of
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married what I like about metal with what I like about goth.
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But that was like, even even before we got the Bloody Kisses,
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it was still darker, you know, And then it was around that
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time, like I've heard Carnivore before they had gotten, you
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know, on some metal radio shows that I've I've listened to over
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the years. And so they were in my
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periphery, but I didn't really start checking them out till I
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got slow, deep and hard. And then once Bloody Kisses came
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out, I think that that just kind of changed the game.
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And, you know, even it's kind of funny because we were talking
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about, you know, how all the different aspects of what Peter
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Steele does and what they did as a band, really, you know, they
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never made the same album twice. And it was a constant evolution,
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which is almost like one of the heroes, The Beatles, you know,
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in that fact. And I think that even comparing
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any band to The Beatles is a testament to how great they
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were. You know, me and Reza were doing
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our top five goth albums and I said, you know, I would have to
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pick October Rust because Bloody Kisses is more of a doom album
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and that they gradually progressed.
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But they didn't try to make another Bloody Kisses, They
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didn't try to make another October Rust.
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They just did what was natural and cared about songs, you know?
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And I think that's what made them so enduring, you know?
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Yeah, I appreciate all that. And yeah, I it's it's hard not
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to have been come of age in the 80s and 90s and not feel that
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vibe. Type O Negative was, if before
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Slipknot, the Pinnacle Roadrunner Records band.
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They were the most successful band on the label.
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They were the first platinum band they had.
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And then Slipknot and then Nickelback, unfortunately, and
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other things. But you know, I remember seeing
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Carnivore and being like, then they don't want people to like
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them. I saw Carnivore open for
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Croman's, like the Harley, only Croman's right, no JJ.
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And so the best wishes. Croman's right, which was like
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maybe my first Croman show, probably in like 888990 and I
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and then Type O came later and I was like, oh, it's the carnivore
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guy because who else looks that big and giant and hulking?
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You would remember him, you know, you'd remember who he was
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if he came in a room, you wouldn't forget him.
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And I remember seeing the Type O guys like I would go, you know,
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chaperone my, my female platonic friends to the bank and golf
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clubs in New York City. And, you know, me and my metal
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dudes were just kind of like, hanging at the bar and drool
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over girls that would never talk to us and make sure that nobody
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roofied my friends and make sure they got home safe if they went
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home with somebody else. You know, like very disapproving
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dad vibes. No wonder no one's going to talk
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to me. I'm acting like a dad and
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feeling like a dad in this club. But you know, I always had a
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kinship to the music. And yeah, it's perfectly,
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perfectly melded do metal and goth.
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And I agree with you about October Rust and I think it's
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interesting that they didn't try to either remake Bloody Kisses
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or October Rust again. Like those were time capsules of
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the band then and at that time and you know, based on, you
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know, obviously they were the biggest selling band on that
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little label at the time that also had bypass or life of agony
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supple to her Fear Factory, right.
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All these Pinnacle Machine had all these important to me bands
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at least and probably a lot of other people, but they also
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didn't try to recreate that ever again.
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They just kept doing what they did and moved down the line, you
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know, a little bit and easily could have cashed in and kept
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redoing that. But that wouldn't have been true
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to who they were. And I think the authenticity is
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the thing that people love about this band.
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Not just the diversity, but that authenticity that so few bands
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have and are able to maintain throughout.
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You know, it's unfortunate that we only got that, you know, 15
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years of the band, less than 20 years of the band and not much
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more. But you know that that's kind of
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what we were left with. Right, for sure.
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And, you know, I think that a lot of that authenticity comes
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from their background in hardcore, you know, because
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hardcore is all about being authentic, you know, so I can
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see where that kind of work ethic and not selling out
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definitely played to their favor and made them a longer lasting
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band because of that. Like, you know, just think about
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how many bands were huge and had big moments, but then after the
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big out selling album, the next album was a flop because they
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just tried to, you know, remake that and it was just watered
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down, you know, and I think people can feel sincerity and
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that that has a soul to it, you know.
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So I don't know that that's how I kind of see them as being
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endearing is because of they stuck their guns.
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They did. They stayed true to themselves
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and and all great bands that you know follow that path seem to
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have a longer shelf life. Right on.
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So now let's jump into this article a little bit before we
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wish cast a dream tribute concert lineup because again, I
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really don't. I have some thoughts about like,
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you know, this again, I'm I'm on the record as saying I don't see
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a full return to this band. It doesn't make sense for them.
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I think it's just not feasible emotionally.
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And and again, that authenticity wouldn't be there, but you wrote
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about some kinship bands or just some bands that are recommended
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listening to you, right? You have an amazing year bands
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too, you know, like, so I get a lot of record labels and stuff
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like that saying, Oh, you're the goth guy.
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Can you write about this band, this band, this band?
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And you know, for me, and this goes back to integrity and like,
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kind of like what you were saying about how, you know, we
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we only work with people that we feel good about and we have
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certain standards of what we do. You know, we might not be
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rolling in the money, but we're rolling in integrity.
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So I sometimes have to draw a line and say, listen, I'm more
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than happy to cover this. Bam.
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But I'm not going to tell people their Goths when they're playing
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metal. I mean that that would make my
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word seem untrusting. And I like to think that, you
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know, that I'm always, if nothing else, I, I give people
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my honest opinion. And if my opinion becomes
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dishonest, then what's the point, You know?
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But I think there's a space for everybody.
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And I think that, you know, it's important to show that while all
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these legacy bands are cool, I think that there's a lot of
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other music that gets overlooked too.
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You know, like I love typo negative, always listen to him.
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But there's also been some pretty good albums that I think
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that, you know, can get overlooked.
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I think a case in point, although this is outside of the
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article with man Dax Riggs had an awesome solo album that came
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out in January. February their reunion tour got
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announced and now the Focus Acid Bath's great, one of my favorite
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bands. But you know, that Dax Riggs
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album needs to get more props. So yeah, I think there's some
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bands that are kind of picking up where type of negative lift
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off. I mean, even the stuff that, you
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know, guys like Johnny are doing that patriarchs and Black album
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is really good. You know, I didn't mention it in
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that article because it's a doom album, but I think it shows that
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these guys, even without Peter, were solid musicians that are
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just still carrying on. And if nothing else, the spirit
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of like quality music, you know, is, is what they're upholding
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rather than just just being about the legacy of type of
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negative, which I think that that kind of stands on its own 2
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legs. You know, it doesn't need them
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to prop it up. So, yeah, so I think that, you
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know, we're talking about bands like, you know, Black Cross
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Hotel. They, you know, even though
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they're a little more industrial, that's a great
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album. That Scorpion Milk album is
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fantastic. The guys from Great Pleasures,
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you know, got neat from Converge playing bass on it.
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It's, you know, not to be overlooked.
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So, yeah, I think that, and that's what keeps the scene or
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goth music alive, is, you know, we got to give all these other
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people a chance too. And I think that they're worth
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mentioning in the same, I guess, breath, you know, when we're
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taking this into consideration. OK, we got a possible Peter
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Steele tribute. That's cool.
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But I mean, let's also talk about what's going on now and
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then we can look at, you know, paying tribute to the past.
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We got to look forward and honor what's behind us.
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And I think that's what makes metal have such a lasting legacy
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too. Why it has such a die hard fan
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base is because everybody's like dedicated to the past.
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Bands like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, everybody
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that like came before. There's that honoring that
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lineage. While still, you know, being
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open for bands like, you know, whoever is coming out with a new
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out sanguished Sugar Bog, whoever, you know, like those
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guys will admit that they wouldn't be here if it wasn't
20:28
for Slayer, you know. So yeah, we we got to keep that
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balance. And I think that it's a lot of
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the bands that I wrote about were bands are certainly more on
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the underground and not, you know, they're not getting the
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buzz on some bigger, you know, you're not seeing them on the
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cover of Metal Hammer. Noted.
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Noted. It's pretty interesting.
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You you did, Matt. Yeah, you mentioned I love Matt
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McNerney. I love Great Pleasures and every
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Beast Milk and every band he's ever been in actually, you know,
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every different flavor of every band he's ever had.
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New Paradise Lost album Ascension is incredible.
21:20
New November's Dune record is is stellar.
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I don't know that those are guys that would come in and be part
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of a thing like this. Maybe it's too out of, you know,
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far afield for them. I think Nick would be a terrific
21:36
choice actually. You you definitely hit it out of
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the park with some of these non conventional choices.
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And I do want to run down the list, but before that, just in
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general, just cause it's Halloween.
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Beside obviously typo and some of these other games, what is
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some of your, you know, favorite Halloween listening?
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You know what do you listen to? I'll tell you, it really doesn't
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differ than when I listen to the rest of the year.
22:04
I feel like Halloween's just where everybody's on the same
22:06
page as me, you know? So it's the stuff like, I mean,
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today I've been listening to New Soul Flying, which is not, you
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know, necessarily that although it's darker than their last
22:20
album, the one, I guess one album that stands out that I've
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been listening to in kind of that mood is the new album by
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Patriarchy, which is a kind of Electro, not quite industrial,
22:33
but looking in that direction. That album has been kind of
22:38
consuming my playlist lately. So that's what's getting me in
22:43
the mood so far. The new, new Peter Murphy is
22:45
great. I've pulled that album back out.
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He sounds spectacular. I'm stoked that Gary Newman
22:54
announced a new tour. So I've been going back and
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let's digging into some Gary Newman.
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So, you know, so I still and it's like anything else, I love
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the the goth classics, but at the same time, you know, I've
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heard pornography 10,000 times. So it's good to give albums like
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that Scorpion Milk a listen. Or, you know, listen to
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Patriarchy. You can only listen to that, you
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know those 3 or 4 ministry albums so many times.
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But also I don't get tired of those either.
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And I do love Gary Newman and so much more.
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There's a bunch of vows. Just spit out a banger new
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album, the Tron soundtrack. Tron Air is for 9 channels.
23:36
Incredible. I actually just saw that.
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That might be like my next live stream.
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Unless something major breaks this week outside Halloween, I
23:44
might do one on that. I really almost would like to go
23:48
see it again. I liked it so much.
23:49
I'm so sad it's getting drubbed in the theaters and no one's
23:53
people are not going to movies anymore.
23:55
It's hard to. Convince I want to see the new
23:57
Frankenstein before I see that. Yes, fair enough.
24:00
And I missed the new Wolfman movie earlier this year that I
24:04
needed. That's a shame for me because.
24:06
I'm such a good one. It was OK, Not OK, not great.
24:10
OK, I'm into it. And then Edgars is doing the
24:12
Frankenstein too, right? Edgars is doing another werewolf
24:16
movie. Oh, another werewolf.
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Called the werewolf. I can't wait.
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He's so cold, you know? He's yeah, he's great.
24:26
I yeah, I would love for him to have like a David Fincher like
24:31
career later where he gets like super famous and acclaimed, but
24:35
and maybe he can make his movies in his universe.
24:39
I think Marvel should bring him on for the next Thor movie I'd.
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Be sick. Dude all the Thor movies have
24:44
been too Spacey and not enough dungeons and Dragons and I
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think. I.
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He would bring the D&D. You and I separated at Berkeley
24:54
Brothers from other mothers. So let's let's go back to your
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SO I'm going to say again, typo negative is not panterm.
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They did not. They didn't, they.
25:04
Typo, negative. Absolutely missed by the current
25:07
generation of young metal fans and music fans and goth fans.
25:10
Absolutely beloved, absolutely treasured.
25:14
Several 9:50 banger albums. You can argue about which ones
25:18
those are. I have mine, you have yours.
25:22
I don't think they were as big as Pantera before, nor would
25:26
they be now. I think the best case scenario
25:29
is to get, you know, new love on these reissues.
25:34
New a live album, maybe a live DVD, Blu-ray video, on demand
25:39
concert that people have not ever really seen except YouTube.
25:42
Poorly recorded YouTube's on people's fucking dumb devices.
25:47
And I really don't believe that typo Negative should or will
25:50
ever reform with another singer or other singers and go be on a
25:54
tour. I think the best you can hope
25:55
for would be a one off. And by the way, Johnny Kelly in
26:01
particular does not need the money because his gig with Quiet
26:04
Riot is so lucrative. He does not need to work except
26:08
for that. Like he, he works because he
26:10
wants to work. He makes new music because he
26:12
wants to. He does collaborative projects
26:14
and jumps on people's records. Like if Danzig called them up
26:17
and said I'm never going to tour again, but would you like to
26:19
help make a new Danzig record with me?
26:21
I know he would answer the call. We I've asked him that.
26:23
So like that, I would love to see I, I, I think Johnny works
26:28
because he wants to, he makes enough money with Quiet Riot,
26:31
you know, carrying Frankie Minali's legacy.
26:33
Never has to do that again. Kenny is a working guy.
26:36
He's a working class dude like us.
26:38
And I think he will always have a hand in music.
26:42
And he also provides for his family.
26:43
So like it would have to be astronomically lucrative for
26:47
those two guys to do something for money.
26:49
One, because one guy doesn't really need has that thing
26:52
already. And the other guy, I don't think
26:53
he would sell out his integrity for the money ever.
26:56
And that's my word. I know Kenny personally and
26:58
that's what I believe in my heart of hearts.
27:00
And I think Josh is done, done, done.
27:02
I don't, I really, I cannot see him coming out of retirement
27:08
even for a show. I think he's done.
27:12
I don't think he would play my personal.
27:16
What do you think? I mean, it would be nice to have
27:20
him, if nothing else for them backing vocals, you know, maybe
27:26
if they told him it was a one off thing, who knows?
27:32
But yeah, I totally agree. I mean, I would even be open for
27:34
like a Nativity in Black style tribute album, you know?
27:40
But yeah, no tour and, you know, kind of jumping the gun a little
27:46
bit when we get into picks. You know, I think that it should
27:49
be very rooted in New York and that's why I picked a lot of New
27:55
Yorkers on the front end of that because I think there's a lot of
28:00
guys and and some of those bands that could help uphold that
28:04
legacy, one in particular. But yeah, I mean, I think that
28:14
it would be for a love of thing and kind of a for the love of
28:18
the fans type thing, you know? And it's one of those things
28:22
like, so I'm pretty good friends with Sammy.
28:27
And, you know, he was saying, I'll talk to him, like go to her
28:31
gigs. And he would be like, Oh yeah,
28:33
nobody cared about us when we were around.
28:39
I'd be like, dude, you need to like, no, you need to like kind
28:43
of recheck out what's going on because there's a whole new
28:48
audience for you guys. And I think that ask about has a
28:50
similar thing to Typo as in their absence.
28:56
The Internet has helped people check out music that, you know,
29:02
it hasn't been forgotten about and there's a whole new fan base
29:04
for which, you know, I don't know that those are the 2 bands
29:09
that I would have, even though they're two of my favorite
29:11
bands. I would not have suspected that
29:13
that's what kids would be getting into.
29:15
But you know, somehow the universe works in better ways
29:20
than I can imagine. I know people are asking me
29:23
questions about like before Acidab did these shows, like
29:26
people were just on my shit about them.
29:28
Like I can't believe you saw them and this and that.
29:30
And again, I love that Dax Riggs record, absolute top 10 from a
29:34
spoiler alert, absolute top ten pick for me this year.
29:37
And I would like Dax to do that stuff more and I'm glad.
29:40
I mean, make that money. If you're going to come back for
29:43
all the right reasons and get money you never got before,
29:47
absolutely go do it and do it. You know, go open for system of
29:51
a down in Europe because people never saw estimate there and
29:54
they're going to do headline tours and and open for system.
29:58
That's insane. It's insane and great in the
30:00
best way. Like this is what the music
30:02
business should be. You should get it paid forward
30:05
to you now if you made great art back then and just got
30:07
overlooked or not paid or whatever.
30:11
So now you have your top ten list in no particular order as
30:15
you say. I'm going to also have some
30:17
other ones I'm going to throw at you after you did say before we
30:20
go do this list, there are people that should absolutely
30:24
not be. Was one of them 7 second songs
30:32
Guy Vincent? Oh yeah, no, no Youtubers.
30:36
Come on, he's great. Though he can, he's a great
30:40
vocalist and he does great. He loves Typo, I think.
30:43
Yeah, no, no Youtubers. And you said like?
30:46
That's like Andy Warhol's version of karaoke, you know, is
30:50
just the whole Internet thing like that.
30:53
And, you know, I think there's a difference between doing an
30:56
impersonation in like, I think if you had somebody like Keith
31:03
Caputo doing it, he wouldn't be trying to mimic Peter Steele.
31:11
It would be their interpretation of that, you know.
31:16
So that's the next thing you these are, I consider these
31:19
separate things. So we could be talking about a
31:21
tribute concert. I think to make this happen, to
31:25
pull everyone together. I think the way to do this is in
31:28
a festival setting. Like if Metal Injection or
31:31
Brethren does another Metal Injection Fest in New York or
31:34
Decibel Metal and Beer Fest in Philly, it's on the East Coast.
31:37
Maybe it would line up with everybody a year from now or
31:41
seven months from now or whenever.
31:43
So on one hand there's a part of me that's like, I only want
31:46
underground metal people to be part of it because originally
31:48
that was the ethos of type of. On the other hand, if you really
31:52
wanted to get its flowers, you need kind of name brand people,
31:55
popular people. So like you, you, I know that
31:59
Loudwire asked Lacuna Coil, who I saw earlier in the year.
32:04
And I do love and I have had great experiences with how much
32:07
they loved Peter. And they're like, oh, we would
32:09
love to do a type of negative song or maybe if there's ever a
32:12
show or do one of his songs in concert.
32:16
And you were like, absolutely fucking no.
32:19
I love, I love that about you. Yeah, I mean, if, if there are
32:23
going to be female vocals that do it, I mean, I think Chelsea
32:25
Wolf's a fair pick. I think.
32:32
Yeah, I guess so. I'll go with her.
32:35
That'll be my, yeah, my my pick 'cause just 'cause she has a
32:39
lower end Alto to her voice. I'm afraid if Lacuna Coyle did
32:44
it, that the the male singer would get up there.
32:47
And I like, like Coma Lilies. I like that album a lot, you
32:52
know, so I respect what they do. But yeah, as far as like
32:58
capturing the emotional quality, I think is the most important
33:03
thing, you know? I just think I.
33:06
Just think, and I think he can do that too, you know?
33:09
Yeah. I agree.
33:10
I agree. But I do think like there's that
33:12
industry thing where they're going to try to get named
33:15
people. So they're that's the the the
33:18
scales, right? Is it like name people versus
33:20
people would actually do just? I mean, they're singers that I
33:23
love and bands that I love that have darker qualities, but like,
33:28
I would not want to hear health do a type of negative song, even
33:31
though all of that is. Correct, Jake is great and I do
33:34
love health. Not at all in my place.
33:37
Understood. So let's go through your list
33:39
and do a few pros and cons and your rationale on each and I'll
33:43
give some feedback. And then I have a little list to
33:45
read back to you that I put together that will not, you
33:48
know, this is your article, it's your feature.
33:50
You're going to. I'm going to run it the way you
33:51
sent it. Yeah, I think you can.
33:53
In front of me. So you pop them out and I will.
33:56
So yeah, so the aforementioned Keith Caputo of Life of Agony.
34:02
No new Peter Friends with Peter, Sir Peter proteges, if you will.
34:07
Josh produced the debut river runs red.
34:12
Keith and Peter were very close. Allen and and Joey were also
34:15
like they're all close and they shared, you know, shared
34:17
members, Sal right. So what do you think about why?
34:21
Why Keith number one with a bully?
34:24
Well, Keith, I mean, you know, has that emotional vulnerability
34:29
to his voice while still being able to I mean, maybe not as low
34:36
of a register as Peter, but Abel, like I could see Keith
34:41
doing Christian woman. I could, I could hear that, you
34:49
know, maybe not my girlfriend's girlfriend, but I could hear
34:54
them doing that, you know, so able to put some grit in the boy
35:04
could, could even do some of the slow, deep and hard stuff.
35:07
Even though I think that if you were going to go there and do
35:10
the older hardcore stuff, there are plenty of singers.
35:16
Like I brought up the guy from Jumping Ahead, the guy from Age
35:19
of Apocalypse, I think would be capable of doing that.
35:23
You know, I've seen lists where people had said Danzig and that
35:27
is ridiculous. Not that I don't love Danzig,
35:32
but you know, and I know they toured with the I saw him open
35:36
up for dancing before. I have some thoughts I have, I
35:42
have some thoughts. So let's not go on.
35:45
Let's just keep it to your list for.
35:46
Now, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're letting you come in with
35:48
my feedback. I, I think again, Danzig is a
35:52
big name artist who would make a lot of people would want to hear
35:54
Danzig sing Type O Negative songs.
35:56
Danzig has done covers of a lot of other bands, although usually
36:00
ancient bands and Elvis and yeah, I I so I'm talking about
36:06
like Type O Negative plus maybe an All Star band of other people
36:10
and and someone to play keyboards cause no, Josh
36:12
probably and then new singers. That's the idea I have here.
36:16
As opposed to life of agony covering Type O Negative,
36:19
Biohazard covering Type O Negative, Lacuna Coil covering
36:23
Type O Negative for an album they would a record company
36:26
would be trying to sell, right. So I'm not talking about that.
36:28
I'm talking about a tribute concert And who would cavalcade
36:32
of singers could be that would be a good idea and not besmirch
36:35
their name and and tarnish the Rep So Caputo a much agreed.
36:40
I I love life of agony and think that that's a natural one to one
36:45
right. Then you have a real surprise to
36:49
probably anybody not named me Henry Fonda pissed on as a
36:53
bandit does not get talked about that.
36:55
I love that should have been as big as life of agony and
36:59
biohazard and type of negative and just never broke through
37:02
beyond. I mean, they were like harangue
37:04
big 30 years ago. They were regionally big in the
37:08
New York City area. They were popular enough.
37:11
Valium had a column in in, I think Harangue and Metal Hammer
37:15
and Henry, who is still out there, they're still doing stuff
37:18
here and there, occasionally shows occasional albums, right?
37:21
Henry's a great artist and does not get enough respect, so I
37:25
love you putting that respect on his name.
37:28
And I think he could pull it off, you know, also it wasn't on
37:34
the list, but in that kind of vein of bands that maybe weren't
37:39
as big name. And his name is eluding me right
37:43
now, although I know it is the singer from only Living Witness
37:47
I could also see. Him, Jonah.
37:51
Yeah, Jonah. I love all those Massachusetts
37:55
metal core bands, Overcast and and Only Living Witness.
38:00
And it's it's almost November. It's not quite December yet, but
38:05
aha, you see what I did there? But anyway, Jonah, Jonah's a
38:10
little out there, but so is Keith.
38:14
Yeah, he definitely has the vocals.
38:17
I love the third pick, Brett Campbell, a Paul band.
38:20
Not only have they covered Type O Negative, Brett has talked
38:23
extensively about his love of Type O Negative, the inspiration
38:27
that Type O Negative has given him, and the rest of that band
38:31
have covered Love You to Death already.
38:34
Beautifully sung. He's got a great voice and
38:36
they've kind of turned kind of away from the doom metal into
38:41
kind of a heavy metal torchbearer or modern heavy
38:44
metal in a way that I really love.
38:47
And yeah, what a great pick that is.
38:51
I I love that dude. Yeah, he just makes sense.
38:53
I mean, they're a little shoegazy now, but I could even,
38:56
you know, you I I was thinking about who could sing.
38:59
Although we've heard him do love it to death.
39:01
It would be interesting to hear him seeing, you know, something
39:03
from like dead again or I know some of the songs that don't get
39:08
as much love as the the big hits.
39:11
I mean, obviously you'd want to have those songs, too if it's,
39:15
you know, we're talking a concert setting.
39:18
You got to keep the crowd moving.
39:19
So I think you're going to have to do those.
39:22
But yeah, maybe throw in a couple that you wouldn't expect.
39:26
Couldn't you just see Brett doing tripping a blind man?
39:29
And I don't want to be me absolutely nailing it like,
39:34
'cause, you know, also, like, I love, I love when guitar guys
39:37
have to not have a guitar on for a minute and they have to hold
39:39
the microphone or sing into a mic stand and they're all like
39:43
Ricky Bobby. I don't know what to do with my
39:44
hands. I mean, you can double up the
39:47
guitar parts or you can get some of these guitar players to try
39:50
playing bass. I mean, I'm sure he could pull
39:53
it off. For sure, for sure. 4th pick on
39:56
the list Genius Dacterins, as you mentioned before.
40:00
Unlikely because this is a guy who has hated the music industry
40:04
and anything with a whiff of impropriety or to do something
40:08
to cause Salaam or he would probably be like fuck all this.
40:12
But I bet he loves Peter. I bet he loves Type O Negative.
40:15
You know that Sammy loves Type O Negative.
40:17
If this was at a matter, you know, like a decibel medal and
40:22
beer fest, I'm sure Acid Bath is going to get asked to headline
40:25
one of these things sooner or later to do all of Scream to the
40:28
Butterfly. Again, don't know if Dax would
40:30
be into it, but he would be such an inspired choice and he
40:33
absolutely has the voice and the range.
40:36
Right, yeah. I was envisioning him doing, you
40:41
know, something like too late, Frozen.
40:44
You know, that was the song I was hearing him sing in my head.
40:50
Right on, I love it. I think he could do any of them
40:53
honestly. Like crown them.
40:55
His dark Americana stuff sounds like the chiller moments of the
40:59
Type O Negative goth light. I think the doomier, heavier
41:03
stuff. He absolutely can do some of
41:05
that stuff. I know you're fucking someone
41:06
else, you know, kill all the white people.
41:09
Like he absolutely could do it. He absolutely could do it.
41:14
That choice. Another one that another person
41:16
I have interviewed and talked extensively about Type O
41:20
Negative with this Kirk Winstein of Crowbar and not typically the
41:25
voice you would associate with the Type O Negative type, but I
41:29
think he would put his own spin on any Type O Negative song.
41:32
He absolutely could play and sing all the Type O Negative
41:35
stuff and you know that he's already like 6° of separation of
41:39
P duration because he's in Sun Don't Shine with Johnny and
41:42
Kenny. Right.
41:45
And, you know, crowbar, we're starting to get into, you know,
41:51
if not bigger names, names that are certainly respected in metal
41:55
circles, you know? Indeed, indeed, and I feel like
42:01
Crowbar will have time to do some.
42:04
You know, again, makes sense for a festival show type of thing or
42:08
an All Star show. They also can do an they can do
42:11
an opening spot. Here's another one.
42:14
I absolutely love Aaron Staindorp of formerly of My
42:17
Dying Bride. I hate saying that sentence and
42:19
currently of is it I parasite right.
42:24
It's other band now. We just covered opening for
42:28
Paradise Lost in Europe. And he is first of all, he's a
42:33
guy that will do vocals for anything.
42:35
He's a a a man of 1000 voices and faces.
42:39
Fun fact, for those of you who love some death doom, you can
42:43
check out Grief Symposium featuring former Ghost Cultist
42:48
Senior Editor Emeritus Stephen Toby on vocals.
42:52
And Aaron gets on that last Grief Symposium record and he
42:57
did quite a great job. So yeah, what would you love to
43:02
hear Aaron do at that type? Of oh, I mean, you know, any I
43:05
think he would be a pick for some of the some of the October
43:13
Ross stuff I think would work for him.
43:15
You know, I could, I could hear him singing be my Druid.
43:17
It's pretty easily. Nice.
43:21
And maybe Wolf Moon. Yeah.
43:25
And then here's a real surprise. But not a surprise if you've
43:28
read Will's work with Ghost Cult hangman's chair Cedric Tufuti.
43:32
I hope I said that right. Watch out Cody, maybe, I don't
43:37
know, got a great range, great vocal talent.
43:41
Not everybody's cup of tea for that band, but clearly would be
43:46
able to do justice to the work, right?
43:48
Right. And they have, they're kind of
43:50
curing that vibe forward. I think, you know, like I used
43:54
to have a type of negative shirt that had like all these like
43:59
nooses and stuff on it and that kind of tongue in cheek pro
44:04
suicide vibe. It's definitely what hangman's
44:08
chair is carrying forward. And that's kind of the emotional
44:13
message of type of -2 is that if we, if we weren't laughing about
44:18
this, we would be crying about it.
44:20
So here's how we get that out, you know, And I think it's even
44:26
that might even be how fans like Type of Negative and Acid Bath
44:31
to another extent resonate with kids today is because, you know,
44:36
there's a lot of kids that are having mental health struggles
44:39
and that is very honestly covered in type of negative
44:45
songs. Even though Peter's kind of
44:47
making fun of himself about it. He is opening up and talking
44:50
about it, which was not happening a lot in the 90s.
44:55
Only Type of Negative and Life of Agony were really.
44:59
I mean that first Life of Agony album is just so heavy because
45:04
of the subject matter. The lyrics to that hit you as
45:07
hard as the riffs. You know it.
45:10
Is 1,000,000 Nervous breakdowns of my 1,000,000 nervous
45:13
Breakdowns of my early 20s Lusted 2230240252 53 You asked
45:20
me another somewhat surprise choice.
45:23
You mentioned him earlier, Dylan Kaplowitz of Age of Apocalypse.
45:27
Not just a killer band, but one of my favorite storylines ever
45:30
from the X-Men comics. So a very cool main band.
45:33
For those that are not familiar with Dylan, why do you you know
45:36
what attracted you to that band? And because it's a way that he
45:40
kind of blends his chest register when he belts it out
45:44
and is capable of hitting those higher, more motive notes, you
45:49
know. So I think that that would
45:55
really work to capture it because even though, you know,
45:59
Peter had a sensitive side, he was definitely very punchy with
46:05
his vocals when he needed to be. So it's having that balance, you
46:09
know. Right on.
46:11
And then another singer, maybe top 20 band for me, top 15 band
46:17
ever for me over Christopher Rig from over what a turnover has
46:24
made this last decade. Depeche Mode over.
46:28
I like to call them and rightly so.
46:31
Just re listen to Assassination of Julius Caesar with my partner
46:35
last weekend, weekend before this past 1.
46:38
And I love that you ask not a question of whether he could
46:41
pull it off, but would he want to come to America just for
46:44
that? Right.
46:45
Because it's so much money to come over right now from From.
46:48
Scandinavian and can you get a visa?
46:50
You know, that's that's the thing.
46:53
So there's some logistical things that would be a case of
46:56
maybe it's an album thing, you know?
46:59
Right, but Oliver would be a such an inspired choice to do a
47:04
typo song. They should anyway.
47:06
Like you know what? If there's no tribute album and
47:08
no tribute show ever? Oliver, please go do this
47:10
anyway. I'm begging you.
47:12
And another, you know, another singer that I can kind of see
47:16
tagged on like as a second choice if you can't get him,
47:19
who's American and has a project does something similar to
47:24
Depeche Mode over is Greg Pucciato.
47:30
The Black Queen. Yeah, I could see him.
47:32
If he was coming from his Black Queen style he could probably
47:37
pull it off. Yeah, I don't know that that
47:39
Greg was ever a typo fan. I think Ben at.
47:43
Least respects him, you know. Yeah, yeah.
47:46
I've never heard him say a bad thing about them or a good thing
47:48
about them. We know that Greg is an
47:50
incredible interpreter and vocalist.
47:52
His stuff with Jerry Cantrell, Better Lovers, new album coming
47:56
on the horizon. Yeah, he would be sick.
47:59
Matt McNerney again rounds out your list of 10 from Grave
48:03
Pleasures and a bunch of other hyphenated bands.
48:06
Incredible singer, kind of gothy himself, kind of a Peter Murphy
48:10
himself, right? Gary Newman himself, a little
48:13
bit into his metal and and other things.
48:17
He would be an absolute banger choice to.
48:20
Right. And he would make sense, you
48:23
know, like it's I can totally hear him singing most of that.
48:27
You know, it would be. I don't, I don't think he could
48:30
pull off the low notes in my Girlfriend's girlfriend.
48:33
You know when we get into that like Andrew Eldridge register,
48:39
but who could? And if you want some bigger
48:43
names from the God scene that might do.
48:47
It would be Carl McCoy. A feels of the Nephilim would be
48:51
my outside the list pick would be another one.
48:55
Right on with respect to the fact that you were like, you
49:00
know, maybe a artist of a certain level or caricature
49:04
shouldn't be part of this. Let's get the £800 gorilla out
49:09
of the room. Philip Anselmo, personal friends
49:11
with Peter, loves Type O Negative toward with Type O
49:14
Negative, Pantera is doing the Pantera thing, even though we're
49:17
supposed to get down for a good part of next year when Pantera
49:20
is not in Europe with Metallica. I also would like to see N minor
49:25
is absolutely Type O Negative influenced, right?
49:28
I don't know if you were a fan, I was you know, could it be a
49:33
thing where like Scour plays early before and then Philip
49:37
comes out later and sings. Maybe we too much for him to do
49:41
the. Yeah, no, I mean, I could, I
49:43
could hear him do. And like I said, I could hear
49:44
him doing the Carnivore songs, which I think they should do at
49:48
least one. You know, hopefully Phil doesn't
49:54
do race war, but you know, that was the first Carnivore song I
49:59
heard. Name same first.
50:02
Tape, you know, but. It would be.
50:04
It would be very. Cool all the white you know he's
50:07
done kill all the white people before on stage with them.
50:12
With them, yeah, he said. It was his favorite song by
50:14
them. Yeah.
50:15
So yeah, get him off of that one.
50:18
Right, I have a short list of people and I wanted your yay or
50:23
nay on them or just thoughts that some may not be for you,
50:26
but I think they'd be inherently interesting if they haven't.
50:30
So First off, in terms of a female vocalist, no, no one,
50:34
male or female can really be Peter.
50:36
And this is none of this is with respect to bass playing, which
50:38
will come come up in a minute. I would think of, you know, I'll
50:42
talk about in a second, but Tammy Gilbert of Oceans of
50:44
Slumber comes to mind. She's a world class vocalist.
50:47
She's covered Wolf Moon on the last Oceans of Slumber record or
50:51
the one before last. She's brilliant.
50:54
She has spent a lot of time in New York recording and and
50:58
touring and I think she's got something about her that would
51:02
do a wonderful job as part of this thing.
51:07
You know, I've heard that wolf moon cover and it was all right.
51:10
Yeah. I mean, you know, I wouldn't be
51:13
opposed to it. I would say as you were talking,
51:17
another name that came up in my mind of someone, another female
51:21
vocalist that's not Chelsea Wolf, that I would be open to
51:23
hearing to would be Laura from Kailessa.
51:27
Fuck yes. You know what a Big Bang game.
51:29
Yeah. Anything for Laura, I love her
51:32
so much. That and Speaking of, I
51:34
mentioned probably there that discussion album is another good
51:39
Halloween one that people can't sleep on.
51:41
So that's my point. Noted.
51:44
Noted. So another one off on my short
51:46
list but maybe a little unconventional in terms of the
51:49
vocals. But Jay Costa of Thy Will Be
51:52
Done has been a friend to Ghost called.
51:53
We premiered some stuff for them, interviewed them a few
51:56
times. Big fan.
51:57
He is a massive Peter Steele fanatic and a Type O Negative
52:01
obsessive and I think he would do a great job on either.
52:05
I think he can actually sing beyond what people have heard
52:08
him do. Thy Will be Done as kind of like
52:10
a more modern metal Pantera E band, but I think he can
52:15
actually sing a little also. But he also would be perfectly
52:19
suited for the more heavier, faster things from Typo.
52:24
Yeah, and I'm up for getting some hardcore singers out there
52:27
for the four. Slow, deep and hard for sure.
52:31
Right on. Another name that I think would
52:34
be unconventional but great would be led John Witherspoon of
52:37
Sevens. The guy's got a beautiful voice.
52:40
I think having heard the Soundgarden cover that Sevendust
52:45
did a couple of years back on Blood and Stone, Phenomenal
52:49
cover. Made it his own song.
52:51
Like, OK, no one can replace Cornell.
52:54
I'm not going to try to. I'm going to do, we're going to
52:56
down tune it and do it my way soulfully.
52:58
And I think LJ would be like incredible on Love You to Death
53:01
or something like. That it would certainly be
53:04
different. I'm not opposed to it.
53:07
I'll I'll listen to it first and and reserve judgement.
53:11
Yeah, maybe not the goth vibes but absolutely can do justice to
53:14
it as a singer. Then another one similar to
53:17
Philip friend of Peters, Dez Fafara of Coal Chamber and Devil
53:21
Driver. Pretty sure Coal Chamber's first
53:23
tour ever was opening for Type O Negative where they were booed
53:27
every day on tour, which is hysterical.
53:30
Not great for them, but like, they certainly toughen them the
53:32
fuck up for the music business. And I think Dez can actually
53:37
sing. We never got to hear that
53:39
starter Dune project he'd been working on with Mark Morton
53:42
beyond the one song that ever got leaked.
53:44
And I think Dez loves Peter and would love probably lobby to be
53:48
part of it, right? Yeah, I mean, new metal is my
53:51
guilty pleasure, I guess. I don't talk about it a lot, but
53:55
so I saw Cole Chamber absolutely blow Mud Van off the stage like
54:01
2 summers ago and so yes, I'm all for that.
54:08
Chad would be another one. Mudvayne.
54:10
We just covered them in in Boston.
54:14
I mean, I saw Cole Chamber at Sickney World and like the
54:17
biggest crowd of the day that wasn't in front of the mainstage
54:20
for System of the Down was for Cole Chamber to hear to sing
54:23
along with big truck and loco, which surprised this guy who was
54:26
there back in the day 30 years ago to see that shit.
54:29
But I, you know, all I know Dez is taking a beating in the
54:32
press. I'm not one of them.
54:35
I'm a wait and see kind of person.
54:36
Judge later. I didn't know that there was
54:39
anything going on with. It Oh, it's called Cradle Of
54:42
Filth. Yes, before drama.
54:46
Cradle Of Filth drama recently. Yeah, Danny Filth also away from
54:51
it, he. Probably would lobby to be part
54:55
of it, but yeah. If if you had to pick a singer
54:57
like that I would say 2 guys that we haven't mentioned.
55:02
I'm up for Chagroth of Demu doing it or even ICS Vortex if
55:08
you can get him over and Allen Avril from Primordial I could
55:15
hear him doing it too. That'd.
55:18
Be interesting. That'd be an interesting
55:20
backstage with Allen. Yeah.
55:26
Here's another one. We know this guy loves Type O
55:28
Negative and similar to Brett of Pallbearer is Nathan Garrett of
55:32
Spirit of Drift. You know, he has that neon
55:35
nightmare project that's basically synth wave Type O
55:37
Negative, including the fucking font, the Type O Negative design
55:41
and font, just just electric blue instead of electric green.
55:46
And he's got a wonderful fucking voice.
55:49
He has got to do metal shit down pat.
55:52
They also have kind of transitioned away from classic
55:55
modern American doom and into kind of a heavy metal brand but
55:59
and even a little more thrash. But I could definitely see
56:03
Spirit Adrift and or Nathan come in and do a great job.
56:07
Yeah, I, I had that album. You know, the font was a little
56:13
too on the chin for me. So yeah, I mean, I'm a give him
56:21
a shot. I would prefer him over the
56:23
Youtubers. How about a very big
56:28
commercially successful metal band?
56:31
Metal ish band like Avenged Sevenfold?
56:33
Would you want to see M Shadows be part of something like this?
56:36
Or no, I would. I'd be OK with.
56:43
I was thinking about Courtney from Spirit Box.
56:47
I might be open to that. If they had to like this bands
56:52
like that, I would be open to her.
56:55
And you know, I mean, I don't hate Sleep Token, but I don't
57:00
think that I'd want to hear him. He he just doesn't have the
57:03
voice for it. He has a great voice.
57:06
It's just not great for that, you know?
57:08
Yeah, any any kind of cover would be his interpretation of
57:11
it not in action. Yeah, that would, it would sound
57:13
like, oh, I can kind of hear a a sleep token cover of type of
57:21
negative sounding more like dead or alive, you know?
57:26
Oh, amazing. And I love Dead or Alive and I
57:31
love Spin Me. I do spin me right round all the
57:34
time at karaoke. Two last ones.
57:37
This is kind of a no brainer. Billy Valo, formerly of him, has
57:41
already been part of Roadrunner United, did Black Number One and
57:46
Christian Woman if I'm not mistaken.
57:49
Ville will undoubtedly have a new Ville Vallo solo album in 26
57:54
and Come Here in 26 and or 27. It just kind of makes too much
57:59
sense. But what do you think of?
58:00
What did you think of him then, and what do you think of him in?
58:03
This Yeah, I loved him. I did have a iffy experience
58:09
with him live. I saw him was on this big tour
58:13
that I think oh, Linkin Park was headlining, but I left before
58:17
they showed up. But I went to see him and
58:21
placebo because I'm and they were playing back-to-back and I
58:25
was like, all right, I'm there. Placebo and him.
58:28
I think, you know, HIM could be one of those other bands that
58:31
like we see a resurgence of, you know, because they kind of hit
58:35
back in the first part of Myspace when Peter was still
58:40
alive, when him formed, when that first him album came out.
58:48
So, yeah. So I'm all for it.
58:49
I mean, I like him. And then last and never least,
58:54
and you already mentioned this person before Peter Murphy, just
58:57
because why, if I'm wish casting and I have infinite, infinite
59:01
amounts of money to throw at this thing, I'm going to try to
59:03
get Peter Murphy to do a type of negatives because Peter would
59:06
have loved that, right? Yeah, yeah, Peter would have
59:10
loved it. I don't know if Peter Murphy
59:12
knows who they are. No.
59:14
Probably not. Yeah.
59:16
Peter Murphy doesn't know who anyone is except David Bowie
59:19
and. Him.
59:19
Yeah, yeah. He.
59:22
Might have an inkling. I can see Peter Murphy sitting
59:24
around listening to you. Well, he likes Ted.
59:26
Can a dance too. So I can see, yeah.
59:30
And and that Peter Murphy record was fucking exceptional, except
59:35
the Boy George song, which I thought was terrible.
59:37
Yeah, that was terrible. Fucking terrible.
59:39
Fuck terrible, but Boy George. I love.
59:41
Voyageurge the person or George the singer?
59:43
I'd rather not. Right.
59:46
Please. No.
59:47
No thank you. I won't.
59:49
I can't. Thank you.
59:52
So, yeah, so I think that that's, I mean, I think that I'm
59:55
being pretty generous with those since I'm so protective of typo.
59:59
But you know, I mean, I wouldn't be open to hearing some singer,
1:00:07
although it's not as big of a scene.
1:00:08
So that's the thing if you put a bunch of goth bands on a metal
1:00:12
festival. I don't know how that would
1:00:15
work, but I think that there is, it would be interesting.
1:00:19
It could be like a sick New World type thing, you know, so
1:00:22
that I could see it in that respect.
1:00:28
A lot of the bands maybe drag out freaking mindless self
1:00:32
indulgence, though. I wouldn't want to hear Jimmy
1:00:34
Urine sing any of it. But I mean, if you're thinking
1:00:36
about bands to like, throw on, people might have missed out a
1:00:42
him reunion for something like that would would work, you know?
1:00:46
So somewhere there's a promoter out there that is, you know,
1:00:52
that it's already been talked to.
1:00:54
Yeah. No, we don't know.
1:00:55
We don't know. I think the main thing here is
1:00:57
you love this band, Your wish casting along a fan casting as
1:01:02
well. You love this band, you would
1:01:03
let we all. This is meant with the best
1:01:05
intentions. We haven't talked about bass
1:01:08
playing. As Johnny has said, no one can
1:01:10
even do Peter on the bass, let alone on the vocals.
1:01:12
I think Allen Robert of Life of Agony and Evan Seinfeld of
1:01:15
Biohazard make the most sense. I would also say I know he's
1:01:18
pretty much retired in terms of touring, but maybe Todd Strange
1:01:23
of Sun Dome, Shine X Down X Crowbar also, you know, has the
1:01:30
gravitas and the good underrated bass playing, you know?
1:01:34
And then whoever, I don't know who else you would, you know,
1:01:36
you could think of, but Alan comes to mind.
1:01:39
I've already seen him do a whole misfit set with Danzig in
1:01:43
Jerry's spot, so why not typo? Right.
1:01:46
Yeah, I can see that. I can see, you know, I can see
1:01:49
the guys from Prong getting involved in this to some extent
1:01:52
too. You know, Tommy Victor both
1:01:54
vocally and just prong the band and maybe even even though he's
1:01:59
not part of that era anymore, but Paige Hamilton of Helmet
1:02:02
would be an inspired choice to do some guitar on a song because
1:02:07
that's that whole scene. Yeah, I think, and that's my
1:02:10
thing, I think as long as it's representing New York and that's
1:02:13
the thing. If it's a concert in New York,
1:02:16
you some of these don't necessarily have to be as big of
1:02:20
a name. You can put Harley Flanagan on
1:02:23
bass for something on the on the first album, and although he
1:02:29
does play a little more on like Alpha Omega, you know he was.
1:02:32
You could tell he'd heard a Rush album or two.
1:02:36
Frankie Bellow. John Joseph on stage doing it,
1:02:40
you know. Depends on who else is there.
1:02:45
Yeah, well, you can't have them and Harley Flanagan on the same
1:02:47
stage. John, Blood clot has beef with
1:02:49
everybody. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know
1:02:54
if you heard that Blood Clot album that came out last.
1:02:56
Year, it was great. Yeah, it.
1:02:58
Was great. I think he still has it.
1:02:59
I wanted, I want and he's. Important to New York team as
1:03:02
far as I understand. Yeah, he is.
1:03:04
He's he's usually important. You can, you can shit on the guy
1:03:08
and the things he says and does. You can't shit on his legacy.
1:03:10
Right. And you got to have some guys
1:03:12
that are back there and back. So he's lifting weights.
1:03:14
I think that that's an important part of Peter's legacy and that
1:03:19
can't be overlooked. Road just lift.
1:03:22
Yeah. Any other as we are on Halloween
1:03:27
week and this is going to air this week tomorrow.
1:03:29
What What are you doing for Halloween?
1:03:31
Watch Scary. You know, we, we just moved, I
1:03:34
just moved this past week. So I will be doing as little as
1:03:40
possible. If I can find where Frankenstein
1:03:43
is playing, maybe I think we got to our like the 31st is our
1:03:49
supposed to turn the keys into the old place and have it
1:03:52
cleaned. So that's going to be the
1:03:54
morning. So I'll probably just listen to
1:03:58
like Skinny Puppy while I'm doing that.
1:04:00
And then, you know, I thought about the guys from Electric
1:04:03
Hellfire Club were playing the night before at the Crowbar.
1:04:08
I think it's Crowbar or the Orpheum here.
1:04:10
And I thought about going to see that.
1:04:12
But I think I'm probably I think my next show that I'm going to
1:04:16
go out to is Sangwa Sugarbog in November.
1:04:20
And then I'm saving up my money for Gary Newman and Ethel Kane.
1:04:25
I've been on a huge Ethel Kane kick, which is kind of on her
1:04:28
new album is worth checking out if you in in the Chelsea Wolf
1:04:35
van. So it's it's kind of shoegazzy,
1:04:40
dark Americana that's good for this time of year.
1:04:43
So there's my plug. She doesn't need a plug.
1:04:46
She's huge as it is, but. Yeah, right.
1:04:49
She got so big, you know, she was spending time pretty happy
1:04:53
about that. Wilsifer, always a pleasure to
1:04:55
see you. I'm sure I will be back on one
1:04:57
of your shows of. Business, Yeah, yeah.
1:04:59
I'll yeah, I'll link everything in the description where people
1:05:02
can. Find we got to talk about the
1:05:04
roster union next. Oh my God, we do.
1:05:07
We'll find will@ghostcultman.com as well as find me and happy
1:05:11
Halloween and rest in power forever, Peter Steele.
1:05:14
Thanks, Will, and peace everybody.
1:05:17
Thanks.