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Ep. 260 ~ JFK Assassination 60th Anniversiary Special · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Remember like Bob Clark and Doug Campbell, they actually devoted the show what was
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it called The Lives of Right Show. Yeah, what an embarrassment. I
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mean, everything is going to hail down here in Dexton. No we did
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no, no, oh oh liah, I got it right this week.
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That means a lot in Spanish, oh oh I and come on a style
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that means how you doing? I hope you're doing well. This is the
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Triple B Big Bad Bob here with you, otherwise known as Rob Clark on
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the sixtieth anniversary of the assassination of our thirty fifth President, John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
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Now, I figure i'd bring you this special episode since it's going to
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be number two sixty on the sixtieth anniversary. Drop it like a spot,
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you know what I'm saying. Sometimes you just gotta drop it while it's hot.
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This is also going to be maybe not the last, but more of
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a rarity moving forward when it comes to the format of this show. Now
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you'll be hearing this hopefully on the day that it comes out, which will
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be November twenty second, twenty and twenty three, and this evening November the
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twenty second twenty twenty three, Joe Borelli, my new co host, and
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me will be going live on YouTube. Let's start doing an in depth nosedive
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into the Martins, which is part of our answer presentation, where we go
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much more in depth than what we can jam jam pack into an hour long
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presentation there for Lancer because we have so much material. There's so many things
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that we couldn't just sit in there, so many Martins that we couldn't talk
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about. So we are going to be doing deep dives on YouTube, doing
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live shows just for you. So come join the conversation and that's over one
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the Lone Woman Podcast YouTube channel, and we'll see you over there this evening,
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so tune in. You're not gonna want to miss it. We'll be
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going live at seven pm Eastern Standard Time on YouTube. Okay, hopefully this
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goes well. It could be an epic shit show. I don't know yet.
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Let's see. This whole live streaming thing is new for us, so
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we hope that we will have everything set upright and ready to go. But
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with the luck of the bob uh, you never know, but we're gonna
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to say a couple of things before we get into the show, because something
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is really really bother me. And trust me when I tell you this that
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the Lone Gumming Podcast will be doing so much deeper dives into what I'm about
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to address here. Now. It seems to me that a lot of people,
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a lot of them are Johnny come Lately. I think that they have
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solved the jfk assassination here at the sixties Anniversary, people like Jay Weedner,
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people like Rider Lee, people like Non Hanky, people like Cory Hughes.
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Believe me when I tell you we are going to tear apart these theories once
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and for all. Because I consume a lot of podcast people, and I
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hear these guys making their rounds. But you know one show that they don't
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call or contact to come on. It's this one. And that's for a
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reason, because they know there's no way in hell they're gonna come off look
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at any kind of good on this show. Documentary JFK X will be thoroughly
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dismantled, and another documentary called JFK Murder Solved. The new documentary by John
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Hankey is going to be thoroughly dismantled. So stay tuned for that, folks.
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Because here we are, sixty years later, we still don't have all
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the answers. We still don't have all of the divisive and decisive information that
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we need to thoroughly put together a narrative that everybody will be happy with.
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We don't have that smoking gun evidence that is undeniable to everyone. It doesn't
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exist. While there has been some good research into this case in the past,
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sixty years. There has also been a lot of horse's assery research in
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the past sixty years that continues to this very day to muddy the waters implicitly
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listitly, and it's so disheartening that see what comes out that people want to
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grab a quick buck off of because they think they got a sucker, and
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there is a sucker born every minute. P. T. Barnum was right,
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and they will make some money and they will spawn hundreds and thousands of
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minions out there who think that they did solve the JFK assassination out there sputtering
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their nonsense into the wind, into the groups, into the discussion, into
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the water, where things just get muddier and muddier and muddier. So we
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will be spending some time in the near future early dismantling these documentaries. Now.
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Corey, on the other hand, he put a book out and it
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was nice enough to send me a copy, and I've started reading it and
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there is some good information in it. However, he goes down some crazy
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roads and I'll let you guys read it and make up your own mind about
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it, but just know your boy warned you. So that being said,
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I'm hearing reports the lnser went very well. That there was a lot of
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fun had there, a lot of fun interactions, a lot of fun times,
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and that's all we good to hear, you know, a lot of
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good information shared. So whados to the editors and Larry Hancock for pulling off
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another success well conference in Dallas, and you know, hats off to them
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for selling it out. And I wish I could have been there, but
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you know, the reports were good. Hats off to Joe, my buddy
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down there, who went the extra mile and did some things for our presentation.
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So hats off to him, and I'm glad he was there to do
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that and take the brunt of the of the praise and the ah who poors.
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So I told him, I see, any time you present new information
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out there, you're going to have people who are going to want to poopoo
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you, poo poo, poo, poo, poo poo. They will come
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out of the woodwork to po poo you. Before we even got this presentation
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ready for the answer, people were coming out of the woodworks to could pool
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us people that we were working with to try to share information and get information
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from try to get a better understanding of things. People that we're working with.
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Try to could pool us pooh poo, pooh poo pooh. So again,
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heads off to Jobie down there. I know, I know he had
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a great time. And you'll be hearing more from Joe moving forward on this
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very show and the reason that I picked Joe to be my co host moving
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forward, And you'll understand once you meet Joe and you hear Joe speak,
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he's very passionate about the subject. He's a very he has a very smart
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analytical mind about the evidence, and he is nacious some say o CD about
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some certain things, which is not necessarily a bad thing. So look forward
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to that. You're you're gonna love Joe on the show. We get along
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great, we have good chemistry and you're gonna dig it, trust me.
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Before we get into today's show, I want to address a YouTube comment on
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the Bart Camp Show episode number two fifty eight, more than a Fuzzy Picture,
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and this comes from a long time listener, Johnny Case. Haven't heard
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from him recently, but long time listener, I'm assuming he's listens. He
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says, well, I finished mister Camp's book to watching many of his prayer
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Man videos and I have to push back on the whole thing, aside from
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the question as to who it was in the corner of the TSBD doorway,
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and the recent book actually has little to do with that question and much more
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to do with Oswald's interrogations and the second floor encounter. I have to challenge
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the whole logic of Camp's view of what went down. The problem is that
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his whole conception depends on circular logic. Theory A is correct because theory B
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is correct, and theory B is correct because theory A is correct. In
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this case, Oswald must be in the doorway because the second floor launcherm encounter
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didn't happen, and the second floor dust up didn't happen because he was front.
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Now, Rob, you're so good, too good in some cases,
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Well, thank you, Johnny, with destroying my in shibulous across the JFK
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research community. Maybe it's lhow in the doorway. Maybe not, But the
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second floor encounter didn't happen, triple question mark. Of course it happened.
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It happened because there is no conceivable logic in any plot, any plot making
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that up for what reason? How in the world is making up that story
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on the part of Trullian Baker advance anything. Of course it doesn't. What
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it does do is prove that it was impossible, combined with vickyaos and Sanders
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styles, that Oswald was anywhere near the sixth floor at the time of the
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shots. That is all it does. So what Camp does here, like
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in the goofy logic of folks like Wimfetzer, is that the second floor encounter
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didn't happen because that would make it impossible not only for Oswald to be on
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the sixth floor, but it also makes it impossible for him to have hiding
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who have been hiding in the TSB doorway. Therefore it didn't happen. Nonsense.
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Well, Johnny, you know, even talking to Bart, Bart is
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not going to tell you that it is one Lee Harvey Oswald. That's prayer
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man and I'm talking one hundred percent. Okay, Bart himself will not tell
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you that he thinks that. Now. I may be speaking that offhand here
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for Bart, but you know, just through our conversation, that is what
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I understand now when you're talking about circular logic. Look, Bart's thesis is
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based on nothing but eye witness testimony available documentation. AFFI David's interviews, notes,
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documents, and when you're talking about the school book repository workers, there's
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a lot of them. Not just a lot of workers, but also a
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lot of things that they've said in different places, things that were said in
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newspaper articles and interviews and in documents and affidavids, and questioning by the Secret
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Service, by the FBI, by the DPD. You have to take all
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this stuff into consideration, okay, And you have to see what people said,
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when they said it, where they said it, why they said it.
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So I don't wow the thesis itself, the idea. Maybe you get
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the impression that it's circular logic, but I don't think Bart is just basing
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the fact that prayer Man is the Harvey Oswald off the fact that the second
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floor and lunchroom encounter didn't happen. It's much deeper than that, Okay.
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Now, your question of why they would fake the lunchroom second floor lunch room
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encounter. What it does is it implies that Lee Harvey Oswald had made his
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way from the sixth floor and he were coming down and for whatever reason herb
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Baker and truly coming up and dipped into the second floor lunchroom where he may
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have just grabbed a coke that was sitting on the counter and standing there drinking.
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You know, nothing to see here, I'm just drinking a coke.
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Now. What doesn't support the Warren commissioned version of events, and I'm talking
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about the second floor lunch room encounter, is the fact that Jack Doherty,
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Bonnie Ray Williams, Junior Jarman, and Harold Norman we're all on the fifth
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floor. None of them mentioned hearing footsteps on the sixth floor. Not only
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did you do they and I mention that we know that the that the three
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workers, the three black workers, work in the windows near the front of
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the building, all right, and the stairway is towards the back where Jack
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Doherty said that he was. None of these four men claim to have heard
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or seen anyone come down from the sixth floor via the stairway. Then you
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have the women on the fourth floor, Victoria Adams, Okay Garner, and
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their descent from the fourth floor back stairway down to the first floor. They
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didn't see or hear Oswald and they didn't see her here Baker, and truly,
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so there you have a slight problem that in and of itself says to
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me that Oswald was not on the sixth floor at the time of the shots,
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all right, the warrant Commission had to put him so either somewhere on
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the stairs or near the stairs very shortly after the shots, according to their
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narrative, to make him a viable suspect. If Lee Harvey Oswald was on
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the first floor, whether he was out on the out front, whether he
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was in the vestibule, whether he was on the first floor itself, whether
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he was in the domino room, Okay, that meant that there would there
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wouldn't have been enough time for him to descend to make the shots, hide
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the rifle and make his way down the stairs all the way to the first
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floor to be seen by Baker, And truly there there would not have been
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enough time. They had to put it further up the building. Okay,
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So it is a complicated theory, I understand. But in order to take
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everything into account, and look, the book is great, don't get me
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wrong. Bart's book is great. But go to the website and search for
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the individual sections he did. Individual sections on the second floor lunchroom encounter and
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the people on the front steps, and what the book misses unless you go
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and you look at every hot linked footnote in there. Bart did a much
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better, in depth, detailed study of the second floor lunchroom encounter and the
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witnesses for and against this in his paper entitled the second Floor lunch Room Encounter
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Never happened. So look, before you discount anything, the logical brain will
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tell you whoever it was that was up there, as prayer Man logically would
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have worked inside the building. Okay, nobody else they worked in that building.
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There was a white worker put themselves out front, and there wasn't accounted
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for either by interview, by photographic evidence, or by eyewitness testimony, was
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Lee Harvey Oswald. He's the only one. And the chances of that person
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not being an employee of the schoolbook Depository are ninety nine to one. That
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somebody from the street would have fought their way through all those people just to
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get up to the top step of that building that they did not work in.
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And nobody remembers anybody that didn't work there squeezing their way up through the
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stairs to attain that position. So I'm not saying with one hundred percent certainty
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that that is Lee Harvey Oswald, as prayer man. But I'm also on
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a scale of one to ten that it is Lee Harvey Oswald like a nine
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point five. So whether you agree or not, just please go back and
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take everything in everything before you make your decision. All right. So that
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being said, let us move on to today's show, which is about the
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Walker Letter. It's actually one more thing before we get into the Walker Letter.
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This is hot off the press, folks. I've just been sent this
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from Paul Brown and it has to do with an article and some research,
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actual scientific research, folks. Not lab, that's k n Ott like Don
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Knott's not lab. Use this forensic science to refute the Warrant Comission's findings on
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the assassination of President John F. Kennedy from Centennial, Colorado, October twenty
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fifth, twenty twenty three. Not Labs, an industry leader in forensic engineering
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and animation for more than forty years, was commissioned to create the digital recon
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instruction of the assassination of President Kennedy to test a single bullet theory from the
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historic Warren Commission report. They have released their findings in advance of the sixtieth
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anniversary the assassination of President Kennedy. President Kennedy was assassinated on November twenty second,
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nineteen sixty three, in Dally Plaza in Dallas, Texas. The Warrant
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Commission was as symbol to investigate the shooting and issue to report in sixty four
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finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman, firing a total of three
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shots in the incident. However, evidence suggests a potential fourth shot from another
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location, indicating a second gunman and a wider conspiracy to kill the president.
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Not Laboratory was hired by John Orr, a former Justice Department attorney who conducted
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his own investigation as a private citizen, making trips to the National Archives to
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review every document available and even being permitted to examine an original evidence such as
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the president's shirt teen ninety five. Or sent his report to then Attorney General
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Janet Reno, which did achieve some re examination of the evidence by the FBI,
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but ultimately didn't lead to anything new or conclusive. Once Or hired NOT
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Labs in twenty eighteen, modern science was able to corroborate his theory. The
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single bullet theory concluded that one of the three shots fired from the window by
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Oswald struck both President Kennedy and Governor Connolly. The report stated that the bullet
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hit Kennedy in the back, exited his neck, entered Connolly, and the
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right armpit exited his chest, went through his right wrist and embedded in his
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left thigh. To reconstruct the scene with modern technology, the not Lab experts
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conducted a high definition laser scan of daily plaza to generate a point cloud of
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up to two million points per second to accurately measure point to point anywhere in
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the scene. Not Labs also obtained historic photographic evidence from the plaza, the
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limousine, and the Zapruiter film, which is widely known as the best footage
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of the incident in its entirety. From this point cloud, the team of
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forensic engineers was able to match images from the scene and the Zapruiter film using
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a process called photogrammetry. They modeled the presidential limousine using multiple photographs and established
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the correct dimensions of the vehicle. Through a process called match moving, they
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sinked frames from the Zapruter film into the digital recreation of the scene. The
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match moving enabled the alignment of the digital models of Kennedy and finally in the
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vehicle to establish their positions framed by frame throughout the incident. With the ability
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to measure excuse me, distances, locations and angles from the point cloud,
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we could develop the exact trajectory between Oswald's shooting position and points on each body,
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said Stanley stole CEO and principal engineer of not Labs. Our team tested
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bullets jectories using the two frames from the Zubruder film where the first shots occurred
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and the known entry and exit points on Kennedy and Connolly. Though continued the
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shooting position, bullet exit point on President Kennedy an entry point on Connolly should
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all be reasonably in line. When drawing this line from the sixth floor perch
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of the School of Depository to the positions of the two men and their entry
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and exit points, we found a significant angle difference. This case is ongoing,
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but evidence strongly suggests that there is more to the story in this historic
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event. Modern science refutes the warrener Commission's findings on the assassination of President John
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F. Kennedy. So there you go, there you go. Forensic science
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refutes the Warren Commission's findings. The angles are wrong folks for that magic bullets
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who have done all that it is impossible should have been called the impossible bullet.
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So thank you Paul Brown for sending that to me and a lot of
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other people. So interesting information for sure. Someone out on the sixtieth folks.
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All right, let's get into the Walker letter alright. So the Walker
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note was written in for Russian. This is a note that allegedly Lee Harvey
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Oswald wrote in Russian to his wife Marina when the Knight General dmen Walker one
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shot at Okay. And these were instructions from Oswald to marine know what to
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do in the event that he is arrested and taken into custody. So a
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lot of people think that Ruth Payne is the person behind turning this letter over
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through the authorities, allegedly finding it in a book and turning it over and
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lustly a lot of these things. A lot of these folks think that the
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note may have been written by Ruth Payne to further implicate Lee Oswald in the
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assassination of Kennedy, you know, and paints him in this kind of crazy
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guy already shout at somebody, guy persona. But here is the actual Secret
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Service letter to Chief of Police, Jesse Curry of the DPD. This note,
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this letter, i should say, is dated December twenty sixth, nineteen
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sixty three, and it says, Dear Pieve Curry. The following information was
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developed by this service relative to the attempted assassination of Retired General Edwin Walker in
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Dallas on April tenth, nineteen sixty three. On December second, nineteen sixty
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three, there was received from the Irving Police Department some belongings of Missus Marina
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Oswald, which had been brought to the police station by Missus Ruth Payne,
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with whom Marina Oswald had been living when these articles were examined in the Secret
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Service office, was found in a book a note written in a very poor
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Russian, which was in the handwriting of Lee Harvey Oswald, and which apparently
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was instructions to his wife what she should do in the event that he should
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be alive and taken as a prisoner. On December third, nineteen sixty three,
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Missus Marina Oswald was questioned about this note by one of our special agents
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who speaks Russian. She stated that this note had nothing to do with the
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assassination of Kennedy, and that the note was written by her husband prior to
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his attempted assassination of former General Walker, whom she classified as the head of
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a fascist organization in the United States and who lived in Dallas, Texas when
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they the Oswalts lived on Neeley Street in Dallas, that the note, together
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with a post office key, was left on the dresser of their bedroom,
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and after reading the note, she was afraid that her husband was planning on
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doing something dreadful due to his hate for the fascist organizations and their beliefs.
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She also stated that when her husband returned home late that night, he was
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very nervous and finally told her that he shot Walker with his rifle and that
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it was best for everybody that he got rid of him. Missus Oswald further
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stated that when it was learned the next day from radio and newspapers that the
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rifle shot fired by an unknown person, had missed Walker, she decided to
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keep the note as a threat against her husband so that he would not meet
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her again. It was determined that when the Oswalds lived on Neely Street,
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that people living downstairs beneath the Oswald's had complained to the landlord about Oswald beating
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his wife, which he had promised not to do. She further commented that
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he did not report this matter to the police or she did not report it
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to the police, as she loved her husband, and particularly that she did
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not report it to the police on account of their child. He stated,
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if I can move this piece of paper with my thumb. However, that
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had the shot hit General Walker, he would have reported the matter to the
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police. He was apprehensive about this matter being reported to the police because she
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had a fear of being taken in custody by the police because the information contained
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in this letter regarding the General Walker incident and the rifle would show that she
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had not told the police all she knew. When she was shown in question
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about the rifle that was used to assassinate President Kennedy. On December tenth,
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nineteen sixty three, our special agent had the opportunity to question missus Oswald more
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in detail regarding the Walker incident, and she stated that Lee Harvey Oswald told
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her that once before taking the shot at Walker on April tenth, sixty three,
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he had gone to the Walker residence for the sole purpose same purpose,
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but that he had changed his mind as the police had not looked just right
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for him, and he had changed his mind as the place had not looked
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his right for him. Yeah, I just read it and that three days
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prior to April tenth, sixty three, he took the rifle out of the
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house and buried it in a field near Walker's house. Missus Oswald further stated
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that upon her husband's returned to the house after he had tried to kill Walker
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and telling her about it three days later, he saw him taking his military
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green raincoat for the purpose of wrapping the rifle and bringing it home. However,
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she stated that when he returned home, she did not see the rifle,
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but several days later she saw the rifle on a shelf in the apartment
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where he always kept it. She also stated that the evening her husband shot
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at Walker, he told her that the church is located near the Walker house
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had some gathering, that there was plenty of noise, and that after the
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shooting of Walker, he buried the rifle in the same place. Missus Oswald
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further stated that Lee Harvey Oswald told her after reading in newspapers that some young
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man saw an automobile containing three men pulling away from the scene of the bill
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of shooting, that the Americans always think that they have a car to get
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away from the scene of the crime, but that he had rather use his
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feet to do so rather than a car. And he stated that he had
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taken a bus to go to the Walker residence and then he took a different
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bus to return home after the shooting. Missus Marina Oswald was questioned as to
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how she was able to explain to her mother in law, marcu Reit,
38:45
concerning the attempted assassination of General Walker by her husband. He replied that she
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did to the best of her knowledge using the English language, and that no
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one else knew about the shooting of Walker by her husband except her and her
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mother in law. Yours very truly Forest Souls special agent in charge. All
39:07
right. So there you have the genesis and progenesis of the Walker note.
39:19
So what did the Walker notes say? And I came across a very interesting
39:30
analysis of the Walker letter done by an early researcher and her correspondence with Gerald
39:37
Wisberg named Beverly Brunson of Baxter Springs, Texas. Before we get into her
39:44
analysis, let's get into a translation of the note itself, and there were
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numbered sections in this note. Number one, this is the key to the
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mailbox, which is located in the main post office in the city on Curve
40:00
Street. This is the same street where the drug store in which you always
40:05
waited is located. You'll find the mailbox in the post office, which is
40:08
located four blocks from the drug store on that street. I paid for the
40:14
box last month, so don't worry about it. Number two. Send the
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information as to what happened to me to the embassy, and include newspaper clippings
40:24
should there be anything about me in the newspapers. I believe the embassy will
40:29
come quickly to your assistance on learning everything. Number three. I paid the
40:35
house rent on the second so don't worry about it, So don't worry about
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it. Four I recently I also paid for water and gas, so don't
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worry about it. The money from work will possibly be coming. The money
40:51
will be sent to our post office box. Go to the bank and cash
40:53
the check. Number six. You can either throw out or give my clothes
40:59
away. Do not keep these, however, I prefer that you hold on
41:02
to my personal papers, military, civil, et cetera. So it seems
41:09
like a pretty tame innocuous note. Right, Well, let's get into Beverly
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Runson's analysis of the Walker letter, where she writes this to Harold Weisberg.
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The first step in unraveling the mystery of the undated letter is to divide it
41:29
into two parts. Paragraphs one, three, four, five, ten,
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eleven, and to a lesser extent six, seven, and eight offer information
41:37
as to the date on which the letter was written. Paragraphs eight, six,
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nine, ten, and eleven offer information as to the nature of the
41:45
adventure in which Oswald expected to engage in which occasioned the writing of the letter.
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Section one dating the letter. Paragraph one from the letter, it's this
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is the key to the mailbox, which is located in the main post office
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in the city on Irby Street. This is the same street where the drug
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store in which you always waited is located. You will find the mailbox in
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the post office, which is located four blocks from the drug store on that
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street. I paid for the box last month, so don't worry about it,
42:21
okay. So the last sentence of the paragraph limits to possible dates with
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a letter to three November sixty two. On January of sixty three, when
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the Oswald's lived on Elsbis Street and April sixty three, when they lived at
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Neeley Street. Oswald paid for post office boxes number two nine one five at
42:40
the Dallas Main Post Office on October the ninth, nineteen sixty three. He
42:45
paid rent on the box in December of sixty two and March sixty three.
42:51
According to Warren Report records, post office boxes number six two two five,
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which Oswald purchased at the Dallas Terminal Annexed post Office on November the first,
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nineteen sixty three, and number three hundred I'm sorry three zero zero sixty one,
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which he purchased in June of sixty three in New Orleans, or eliminated
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by Oswald's reference to the first sentence quote the main post office on IRV Street.
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The first, second and third sentences is the paragraph denote a time when
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Marina did not have a key to Oswald's mailbox, did not know in which
43:37
post office it was. It did not even know the location of the main
43:40
post office in Dallas. By January of sixty three, Marina, by her
43:45
own testimony, was using the post office box for her personal mail. Test
43:52
divided that she sent a letter to a boyfriend in Russia, and the letter
43:55
was returned to Oswald's post office box for insufficient postage, since unknown to her,
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Thosetal rates had gone up by one cent. Thosetal rates on first class
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mail raised one cent in early January of sixty three. Marina offers to further
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further information than when Oswald found this return letter in the post office a box,
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he brought it home and read it to her and was very angry,
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which I'm sure he had every rate to be. That'll get you a beat
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in Marina. We must assume that since Marina used the post office box as
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a return to dress, she had some hope of retrieving a possible answer from
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the Russian boyfriend without Oswald's knowledge. That in fact, she had a key
44:47
to the box and might have gone to it during the day when Oswald was
44:52
at work makes sense. A further suggestion that the dates of April and January
44:59
sixty three may be eliminated as possible dates for this letter is that the main
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post office in a city is one of the first landmarks noted by a stranger.
45:07
By April sixty three, Marina had lived in Dallas for five months.
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He had lived there for two months by January sixty three. She was therefore
45:16
no stranger to the city and should have known where the main post office box
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was. Again, this is Brunson's analysis, and I find a little fault
45:30
with that analysis right there about that, because I don't think she got out
45:37
very much without Oswald, and she didn't have a car, she didn't have
45:40
money. So did this be out shopping or sightseeing in the city while Oswald
45:46
did work, you know, in order to orient herself and explore the city.
45:52
Probably never happened. So she goes on paragraph one of this letter certainly
46:00
eliminates April sixty three as a possible date, and it makes a date of
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January sixty three doubtful. Paragraph three, I paid the house rent on the
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second, so don't worry about it. This sentence could fit any of the
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three possible dates, since Oswald paid the rent on Elsbis Street department for the
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first time on November third, nineteen sixty two, which would cause it to
46:37
fall due on January second or third April sixty three, and rent was due
46:42
on the Neely Street apartment on either April third or second, and Oswald paid
46:47
it on one of those two dates. Thus the Commission pretends that the sentence
46:52
indicates the date of April sixty three, it really throws it wide open.
46:58
Either of the other dates are possible too. Paragraph four quote recently I also
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paid for water and gas, so don't worry about it. This sentence eliminates
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the date of April sixty three. According to evidence and the Commission's own files,
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Oswald never paid a gas bill on the Neelee Street apartment. FBI agents
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Will Hayden Griffin and James Kennedy signed a report dated December fifth, sixty three,
47:25
in which they state that they have been advised by the Lone Star Gas
47:30
Company the gas service was turned on at two fourteen West Neely on the receipt
47:35
of a request made by Lee H. Oswald. The agent's further state that
47:39
quote, on this date the service was connected. March fourth, sixty three,
47:45
a letter was addressed to Lee Oswald two to one four West Neely,
47:49
requesting a deposit of ten dollars. This ten dollars deposit was received by the
47:53
Lone Star Gas Company on March sixth, nineteen sixty three, and credited under
47:59
deposit number B nine one four three three quote. No payments were ever made
48:07
by Oswald following his posting of this ten dollars deposit. According to Commissions Exhibit
48:13
one to one three three, Oswald did pay water bill of two dollars ninety
48:19
seven cents on April fourth, nineteen sixty three. However, Marina Oswald testified
48:27
that they did not pay a water bill at the Elsbeth Street apartment, which
48:30
if true, would also eliminate the dates of November sixty two in January sixty
48:35
three. It might be well kept in mind that Marina may have been encouraged
48:40
to volunteer this information in order to prevent an identification of the undated letter with
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the elsbis Street apartment and a time prior to the Walker incident. Paragraph five,
48:53
the money from work will possibly be coming. The money will be sent
48:58
to our post office box, go to the bank and cast to check.
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The word possibly suggests doubt a time when Oswald had quit or been fired from
49:07
a job and was in doubt as to whether he would receive his final pay.
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Oswald was alleged he fired from his job at Jaggers Child Stovefall on April
49:16
sixth, nineteen sixty five three, and his final check from the firm was
49:22
issued on April tenth and paid on April twelfth. Oswald, however, could
49:30
have been in no doubt that he would receive his pay for work that he
49:34
was due. It is impossible, however, to assign this paragraph to the
49:40
other two possible dates, when neither of them was Oswald out of work or
49:46
in doubt of receiving pay. According to the records of Jaggers Child Stovevall,
49:52
he was regularly employed and regularly received his pay. This paragraph actually points to
49:59
a fourth for the letter. I would discuss that point later Paragraphs six,
50:05
seven, and eight. You can either throw out or give my clothing away,
50:08
et cetera. Do not keep these, however, I prefer you hold
50:14
onto my personal papers. Certain of my documents are in the small blue valise
50:21
eight, the address book can be found on my table, and the study
50:24
should need saying some These three paragraphs strongly indicate that Oswald was not at the
50:34
apartment in question when he wrote this letter, that he was in fact not
50:37
seated at his table in the study. Had he been, he would most
50:43
likely have put the address book with the key and the letter, and he
50:47
probably also have sorted out the military and civil papers from the mail or I'm
50:52
sorry from the small blue valise and left them from Marina. Taken together,
51:00
these three paragraphs indicated date when Oswald and Marina were separated, when Marina was
51:05
at the apartment in question and Oswald was elsewhere. They suggest that the letter
51:10
was in fact mailed to her. This speculation is strengthened by the fact that
51:15
Oswald nowhere in the letter mentions the number of the post office box, suggesting
51:22
that he had put it on the envelope as a return address. There is,
51:28
however, no evidence that Oswald and Marina were separated in January or April
51:31
of sixty three. They were separated in November of sixty two, separated in
51:37
fact off and on from October nine, sixty two to about November seventeenth,
51:43
sixty two. These paragraphs seem to eliminate all three dates of April sixty three,
51:51
January sixty three November sixty two. I was just a fourth possible date
51:55
at a later point. Paragraph ten, I left you as much money as
52:00
I could sixty dollars on the second of the month. You and the baby
52:04
can live for another two months using ten dollars a week. The first sentence
52:08
of this paragraph lends itself to no other interpretation than Oswald and Marina were separated
52:15
at the time it was written. Paraphrase, it means quite simply, when
52:20
I saw you last on the second of the month, I left you sixty
52:23
dollars. In so far as can be ascertained from the evidence, the Oswalds
52:30
were not separated in January or early April sixty three. The only one of
52:37
the three possible dates this paragraph could be assigned is November sixty two, or
52:44
an alternate fourth date, which will be suggested later paragraph eleven. If I
52:54
am alive and taken prisoner. The city jail is located at the end of
52:59
the bridge through which we always passed on going through the city, right in
53:04
the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge. Since it is the county
53:09
jail rather than the city jail, which is located at the end of the
53:13
bridge or viaduct leading to downtown Dallas, this paragraphs are just a time when
53:19
Oswald himself was unfamiliar with Dallas. Of January sixty three, Oswald had lived
53:23
and worked in Dallas almost three months. By April sixty three, he had
53:28
lived and worked there for more than five months. November sixty two or earlier
53:34
is the most probable date for this paragraph. Conclusions paragraphs one and eleven so
53:42
just a time when both Oswald and Marina were unfamiliar with Dallas. This indicates
53:47
November of sixty two. Paragraph four eliminates April sixty three. Paragraphs sixty seven
53:54
and ten and eight specify a time when the Oswald were separated. They are
54:01
not known to have been separated in January or early April sixty three. They
54:07
were known to have been separated in November of sixty two and earlier. November
54:12
of sixty two would seem far and away the most likely date for this letter
54:17
of the three possible dates, but there is enough doubt cast on the November
54:23
date by internal evidence of the letter to make me suggest a fourth date,
54:28
which I will do later determining the adventure section Area two, nine, six,
54:36
ten, and eleven two. Send the information as to what happened to
54:42
me to the embassy, and include newspaper clippings should there be any. I
54:47
believe the Embassy will quickly come to your assistance on learning everything. Nine.
54:53
We have friends here. The raid Cross will always help you. Six.
54:58
You can either throw out or give my clothing away, do not keep these
55:00
ten You and the baby can live for another two months using ten dollars a
55:05
week eleven if I am alive and taking prisoner. So paragraph two notes that
55:12
the adventure, of it comes off, will be newsworthy. The Russian Embassy
55:17
would jump quickly to Marina's aid. Thus we may assume that the adventure will
55:23
have an international flavor, not displeasing to the Russians. Paragraph nine and its
55:30
reference to the Red Cross, also connotes an adventure with an international aspect,
55:36
since it would almost certainly be the International Red Cross, which Oswald refers as
55:43
Russian wife to Paragraph six and ten suggest that Oswald plans to be gone for
55:50
some time. He will not need his clothes, and he envisions that friends,
55:54
the Embassy and the Red Cross will have come to the aid of his
55:58
wife and child when her mind when anyone's out. While Oswald suggesting the last
56:02
paragraph that he may be killed or jailed, he does not expect to be
56:07
jailed, since in that case he would need his clothes well unnecessarily paragraph eleven.
56:17
This offers an alternative death or imprisonment in the event the adventure fails.
56:27
The adventure is therefore both illegal and dangerous. The conclusion the adventure described would
56:34
seem to be some sort of spectacular defection. Marina testified that it was in
56:38
New Orleans that Oswald's docted a scheme to hijack an airplane. He may have
56:45
had a similar scheme in Dallas or Marina, since she displaced this undated letter
56:52
forward to the date of the Walker incident, may have also displaced the New
56:58
Orleans hijack scheme forward in time from November sixty two, I would suggest some
57:06
activity in regard to the fall missile crisis. And we finally get to a
57:14
fourth possible date for this letter, which could have been October sixty two.
57:20
In spite of the fact that Oswald's statement that he paid the box rent last
57:23
month quote would seem to eliminate October as a date for those letter. The
57:30
rest of the letters suggests this date so strongly that I want to present the
57:36
evidence on it on the chance that Oswald, not entirely at home in the
57:43
Russian language, may have inadvertently written last month when he meant last week,
57:50
or some other time. Paragraph one and eleven suggest a period when Oswald and
57:58
Marina were unfamiliar with Dallas, and Marina was so unfamiliar with the city and
58:02
she did not even know where the main post office was located as in just
58:07
a time before Marina started using the post office box. Since Oswald purchased the
58:12
box on October ninth, we might assume that this letter was written right after
58:15
that time, and then Marina then started using it and the key which was
58:21
sent for with the letter. We know from the episode of this Letter to
58:29
the Russian Boyfriend that she was using the box as of January nineteen sixty three.
58:36
Oswald worked at Leslie Weldon Company at Fort Worth through Monday, October eighth,
58:42
nineteen sixty two. He did not show up for work the next day
58:46
and instead suddenly appeared in Dallas, where he rented a post office box twenty
58:51
nine to fifteen. It is uncertain where Oswald lived during all this time.
58:57
He was, however, registered at the YMCA from October fifteenth to the nineteenth.
59:04
Some of this time was spent at the Gary Taylor's on three five one
59:09
nine fair Amount, which address Oswald used in cashing his first two paychecks from
59:15
Jagger's child stoveall Airgraph three, with its reference to Oswald's having paid the house
59:22
rent on. The second could refer to the rent on the Mercedes Street department,
59:29
which was overdue on the weekend of September twenty nineteen to thirtieth, or
59:34
the weekend of October sixth and seventh, nineteen sixty two. This would explain
59:39
Oswald's admonition, so don't worry about it, since Airgraph four eliminates April sixty
59:52
three as a date for the letter, since Oswald never paid a gas bill
59:55
on Neey Street according to the Commission's own files. However, Marina's statement that
1:00:01
water was free on Elsbeth also eliminates the dates of January sixty three and November
1:00:07
sixty two when they lived on Elsbeth Street. If true, Marina's statement means
1:00:13
that this letter could not have been written after the move on Mercedes Street in
1:00:20
Fort Worth to Neely Street. I'm sorry to Elsbeth in Dallas. The date
1:00:30
of the letter would then have been October sixty two. Paragraph five seems to
1:00:35
belong to October sixty two, to the exclusion of all of the dates.
1:00:40
The Warren report itself states. Thus, Oswald worked with the Leslie Weldon Company
1:00:46
on Monday, October eighth, but failed to appear on the following date,
1:00:52
he was already in Dallas his fosse. He falsely told his wife that he
1:01:00
had been dying discharged, and told George Boy that the job had been a
1:01:12
temporary one. Sometime later, the company received a letter from him staying that
1:01:19
he had moved permanently to Dallas and asking that the wages due him be forwarded
1:01:25
to him at Box two nine in Dallas, Texas. If this paragraph of
1:01:31
the undated letter does in fact refer to Oswald's last paycheck from Leslie Welding,
1:01:37
it would explain the doubt Oswald expresses as to whether the money will work from
1:01:44
will come, whether the money from work will come. It would also mean
1:01:49
that the letter falsely attributed by the Commission to the Walker Incident, with a
1:01:53
date of early April sixty three, was actually written after Oswald paid for the
1:02:00
box on October ninth, nineteen sixty two, and after he received his check
1:02:07
from the Leslie Welding. The check from Leslie was paid through to the bank
1:02:14
on October twenty fifth, nineteen sixty two. This was a short check that
1:02:22
Oswald and not Marina, cashed. It may have been meant that the adventure
1:02:28
did not come off as expected? You think so? Apparently there is some
1:02:37
consternation as to exactly when this Walker letter was written, and missus Brunson,
1:02:45
in her surmising of the situation with the Walker Letter, leaves that it could
1:02:52
have been written as early as October nineteen sixty two, which throws a whole
1:02:58
another ranch into things. So what doesn't matter, doesn't matter when it was
1:03:06
written. Do we believe Oswald wrote this? Do we think Ruth Payne wrote
1:03:13
this? Do we think Marina wrote this? And again, doesn't even matter
1:03:24
when it's a very vague note it could pertain to anything. It does not
1:03:30
specifically mention Walker's name at all. Just what Marina should do in the effect
1:03:40
that Oswald is taking alive as a prisoner. I don't know, but it's
1:03:47
uh definitely something to think about, you know what I'm saying? For sure?
1:03:57
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