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The Pacers Report with Mike Rich: Reactions to Rumors (Guests: John Robertson, Will Retherford & Michelle Garmon, 2.281.2) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to the Pacer's report with Mike Rich.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No Mike Rich this week, but we do have John Robertson, Michelle Garmin, and Will Rutherford filling in to react to some recent rumors connected to the Pacer's particularly with Tray Muffin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, gumpacer stands at the Central Indiana Sports Report for a special edition of the Pacer's report
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[SPEAKER_02]: but no microchee is off protecting our country and we're grateful for him and we will have him back very soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I am joined by Will Rutherford.
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[SPEAKER_02]: John Robertson and Michelle Garmin are a fever duo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Will of course are Jack of all trades.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here to talk about the Pacers latest off season rumors
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, most of them center around Trai Murphy, who Mark Stein reported in the last day or two that the Pacers are aggressively pursuing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But before we get to that, I want to get your philosophy on what the Pacers should be doing here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Should they stand pat or should they try to consolidate and get as much talent as possible?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big fan of picking up a few small pieces here and they're through free agency, but keeping the core where it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they didn't have a good outcome last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the season was not what you did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was there a season last year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last few times they played, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll say that, but I just, I think the injuries early didn't really show what the core could do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Without Haliburton, obviously, it was a season without Haliburton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I truly believe that you just bring Haliback with Neesmith, with Nimhard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We assume the zoo box is going to be OK, and be pretty good in the Pascal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Johnny Furfi, I saw him at the fever game the other night, but I know he had a pretty big injury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's expecting the bulls here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really think they're not missing much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks that they don't get a draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think a draft pick outside of the top three or maybe four was really gonna be a huge game changer for the squad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll even say, I'm not even sure if they got a top three or a three four pick if it was gonna matter that much either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like Stampatt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like looking to see what's available in free agency, but don't go nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See what happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, before we get to Will and Michelle, I want to express my position and as you all know because you are in the text chain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike wants this done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike wants Tramir Free tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wants, he thinks if you get rid of Nimhart and the Smith that's worth it, I can see where he's going with that, but I disagree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In perfect basketball theory, I think it's the right decision but that's just not the way the game's played.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At this point, this pacers team really should be building for whatever the East looks like next year in terms of roster construction and I just think that nim hard in the Smith together present challenges.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for other opposing teams in a way that just having Tray Murphy doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Tray Murphy makes him better offensively.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he probably makes him better in his matchup defensively, but you're taking away the nestarding guard from somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have somebody that you feel is ready?
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[SPEAKER_03]: to take the mold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, I think if, if you're going to get a tray Murphy, Jaros Walker, once again, just becomes irrelevant because you've now filled his niche.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So then what was the point of that draft pick?
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're going and looking for his exact archetype in tray Murphy, which they are, they're almost the same size.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They almost play the game the same way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then why is he not part of that tree?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why is it have to be an important needs Smith to meet that feel steep?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can assure you of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They should not have to give up a pick on top of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If those two can't get
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[SPEAKER_03]: because I think they've got to wash their hands clean of the deal and say, we charge our best, but just we cannot afford to give up this much when we're in a window right now, we can win a championship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To be clear, they most likely wouldn't have to give up in them hard and mismith.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The thing is with salaries, they're over the salary cap right now, and they'd like to get under it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the reason that they'd be willing to do that is
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, they would come out ahead in the salary swap as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would most likely be meets Smith Walker and a way to get to first round draft picks is something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently they're looking for a package comparable to what the.
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[SPEAKER_02]: magic gave up for Desmond Bane, so that's about what that is, but they really are probably looking at this from a shedding salary kind of thing too, which is kind of where we are eternally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have problems with that because before Halley's Achilles popped, they pretty much
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[SPEAKER_01]: luxury tax for the following season to try and get it done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So clearly, they didn't last year because they knew that it was not, I mean, I don't want to say it, they're always season, but they knew it wasn't going to be the season they were expecting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they owe us a year of sucking it up and paying the luxury tax.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they might, but have we ever seen it before?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think track record shows that they're not going to, but I do think they owe it to the fans and to the players to be willing to do it once to see what
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[SPEAKER_04]: They still could be in the luxury tax.
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[SPEAKER_04]: if they trade for a Murphy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was talking to a really good patient for the other day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He thinks Murphy is a really good player.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't think he's the fit right now for the Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have to laugh at you because he basically said the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You said in our text chain that he's too much like been maddened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like just replacing been maddened
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[SPEAKER_04]: the ball stops and he and I were talking and in crunch time, the ball needs to be in Haliburton's hands.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's the clutch guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's a decision maker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's Murphy in some ways and can't he do that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Can't he take he can he take a back seat roll?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now that that becomes interesting and I know and he's a forward and if you get rid of nim hard, he's a he's a six
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[SPEAKER_04]: Brunson, it's not going to be Murphy, who's going to guard those other teams, um, really good point guards.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, hey, next winter championship, they don't win it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't believe if the Pacers are still in it, because in him heart, it made Brunson's life miserable in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I just think that's a heavy price.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm also, call me maybe a little fashion or a little on the conservative.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's that saying, and I like this saying,
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[SPEAKER_04]: if it's not broke, don't fix it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right now, the Pacers aren't broke and I'm not saying you can't get smaller pieces to fit, but the Pacers have something special, and I'm just necessarily talent, but they get along, they have fun playing with each other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They know each other on the court kind of know where each other's going to be have each other's back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just think that that's a huge a huge advantage and I sometimes I think you can go looking for something that you think well, we really have to have that, but then it doesn't fit and you lose a little bit of that magic and then you're going to have to take you know extra time replacing it and I just don't want to get rid of any guards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, is Tray Murphy an upgrade over Neesmith talent wise?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, no question about especially talk about scoring, but and Neesmith does the little things that make a team good and he's unselfish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can have an effective game where he has six points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can also give you 35 and have the most clutch game you've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it really is much of an upgrade over Neesmith, Tray Murphy, when you look at it from that perspective.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just think that surely there's some other pieces out there that you can do and I also I don't really want to give away a lot of draft picks or necessarily even in swap other picks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Pacers right now currently have possession for the net for the next five first round picks of theirs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Pelicans may want two or three of those.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the store down the road, maybe a couple of those in another one a little bit later.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just not big on that because we don't know what if you suffer, if you do suffer a backward injury, now you gotta go try to find a guard because don't get me wrong, scoring forwards or nice, but scoring guards or combo guards are also very important.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to winning a championship.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I, I just hate to get rid of assets that you may need to replace something, to replace something out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I, like I said, I don't think it's broke.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the pastures are a Hall of Burton Achilles injury and a disastrous miles turner in
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[SPEAKER_04]: having been until this in the finals, the rating in BFA, you know, NBA champions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, I just hate to get that close and then think that you guys start getting rid of a couple or three integral pieces to that team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to combine something that Michelle talked about along with what we'll talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we were talking about Miles Turner, but also when we'll say we got to think about what the easiest is going to look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys saw that it looks like the onus is going to Boston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you guys see that news?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're the leading contenders for you onus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, can you like you got to think about the onus in Boston?
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[SPEAKER_01]: along with what their talent they already have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm one of their guys is on the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of their big twos on the way out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't afford all three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I understand, but I'm just saying that's going to shake up the east a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a downgrade if you trade jail and brown for yannas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think jail and brown at his best season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would stun me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would stun me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think things are going to
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[SPEAKER_02]: John unanimous at this table at least that we'd rather just stay with what we have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tray Murphy's on a winning basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The pelicans are awful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been awful as entire existence on this team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like we're trading for some perennial winner that's made clutch shots in the playoffs that's been able to be second fiddle to a guy because Zion Williams and can't keep his ass on the floor for the life of him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the pelicans refuse to put him out on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, the more people are talk about, I'm just getting frustrated the thought of the pastures even thinking about doing this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This to me would just be a colossal mistake.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there is a sandpaper and jam element that neismith and nim hard bring to this organization.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think one of them is undoubtedly going to going to be on their way to New Orleans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If any trade for trade Murphy happens, there's a reason they naturel a third line defenseman, a third pairing defenseman fetches a first drum pick, because sometimes he's just a tough son of a gun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: who gets the job done when it matters the most, and is the reason you lift it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that Mimheart and Nesmith are the reason this team hoist a trophy next year, if they are lucky enough to do so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Tray Murphy, it's awesome as to shine a new toy we get to talk about it, but I just don't see where he,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jell's with this tune.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The siakum edition a couple years ago made sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Siakum doesn't need his drink stirred.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He can go get it buckets himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's right off the ball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's right at the 15 foot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's big.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He can play good defense when he needs to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can get to the bucket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tray Murphy to me is going to be very Tyreys Halliburt Reliant, and is Tray Murphy willing to be second fiddle, third fiddle, on this Pacer Steam, because I don't know if anybody remembers this, but the Pacer's don't have their first-round pick this year, because we went and got Zubot from the Clippers and had to give up been madder and the first-round pick to do so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So clearly they have made an investment in their center.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to be somewhat of a second field of haliburton is Murphy humble enough to go to a winning organization and be the third guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, the Pelican's record states that he is a good player, he's not a great player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's at least that good, then they're not, let me see, let me check real quick, 26 and 56.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's my end, I'll be done after this, but I'm just now I'm just pissed off as the Pacers do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, let's move on then and talk about some potential players we've seen in rumors with the Pacers who would be more of the guy that you're talking about, an upgrade to the bench because I, the unanimous here that starting five should be Haliburton, Imhard Neesmith, Siakim and Zubats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One name we're seeing a lot is Malik Monka guy who just comes off the bench and get your buckets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they could use some extra scoring out the bench.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So sounds like a fit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be the right price.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree with John, it would have, it would have to be, it would have to be the right price.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now I'm granted.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I know we picked up a great Kings player and the trading we got Halle Burton.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They also had Darren Fox at that time too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know, it would, like Johnson, and just have to be the right price price.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We could not, we shouldn't give up a lot for him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think there will be possibly the potential
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[SPEAKER_04]: or to, at some point, during the soft season, I just, I don't want to, um, have to trust Kevin Pritchard is not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't want to rush into anything too much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the pastor should be willing to hit that, uh, whatever it is, the lower tier of the luxury tax.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, they could do it for a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I, I think they should.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If nothing else, I think,
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[SPEAKER_04]: They owe it to their fans who continued to show up this season with the record that the Pacers have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They still showed up and were allowed and made a great environment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think you owe the fans for their loyalty.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How's that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like they're going to be two or three big deals that go down like this and that's going to mean teams are shaking up their roster is completely and I think more guys are going to become available to kind of fill that role next to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: TJ McConnell, Obi-Top and Johnny Furfi, a pretty good binge already, and a name that's come up in connection with the Pacers is Isaiah Joe, who I think would just be absolutely perfect in that role, a guy I've always really liked as an MBA pro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think that could be a good addition.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess my question would be where to the Pacers Secret and Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think that either one of the some elite among Isaiah Joe is, will do we see Quentin Jackson evolving with this roster, because both of those players kind of fit his niche in a way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think they both come down to the right price.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do like the addition of both of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they might probably both have a higher ceiling than a Quentin Jackson does, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I'm just so if he's has to be a part of the deal, I think that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think you can give up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: anything more than you need to because I think that they do have guard depth that they're ready to develop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And let's not forget, me Smith can play the two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if, if there has to be some adjustment to the rotation a little bit, I, I, me Smith could play the two in a crunch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, I feel like if that's the up to grade, they're going to make they'd be better off doing nothing and maybe trying to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: swing a little, can we swing in between Tray Murphy and Isaiah Joe?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a play there that I think really elevates them where they add a six million that actually has a huge impact?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but no, but no, but I like now, but like I said, the rosters are going to get shaken.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the move that this Pacers organization is looking for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who's the sixth man?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who is the next guy that they can bring in?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Unload some of their seventh eighth nine guys off their bench to truly make an upgrade to a good roster already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got one for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a couple of absurd ones that probably aren't going to happen, but guys who are available, uh, who I would think would be really interesting if they're willing to, uh, dip into the salary cap apron.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about Kyrie Irving?
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the all-time most skilled players ever, you put him on the bench, suddenly they get the best bench in the league and one that not even the next contouchers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, because he won't want to come off the bench, and two, he has not stayed healthy for an entire season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have enough of the injuries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He would gladly come off the bench to play for a championship level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He might think at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with pass for injuries, but also I just feel like every time he's gone somewhere, there's been some sort of drama follow him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some sort of don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: John, I'll tell you why it would be different with the Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, yeah, it's a little islandly different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, this has been the case everywhere he's been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he sees a bunch of guys not willing to work as hard as he is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he eventually blows up at it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because nobody works harder at his game than Kyrie Irving does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that would fit perfectly with this team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't see it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you don't sign that out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not like Sam.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't sign that out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you're back up quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's this stage in his career, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was just a because of what you guys mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't serious about that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But one I could be serious about is Daniel Gaffard is available.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's a starting level center, but if you could sign him to a decent contract and have him come and off the bench, I just feel like he is the absolute perfect center for this team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A guy who doesn't need the ball, he blocks shots, he rebounds, he runs the floor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, I thought he was the guy they should have gone out after over Zubat and he might be available.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I will say this, he can also play the forward.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So with a guy like Gaffard, then he can be, he can, you back up, Siaqqam, he could play Zubats.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he could play the forward.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He could play with Zubats on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That might be intriguing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're interested in consolidating their talent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they're looking to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got so many.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You think the Pacers have a lot of good players on their roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just keeps going and going for the thunder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But everybody now John is going to be retooling to beat the spurs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what Boston's doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they get any better getting Yannis over Jalen Brown if that's what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you have to have a guy to go against a guy and then you're going to
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[SPEAKER_02]: run the league in the next 10 years that might be the right move to make because everyone's going to be reacting to the spurs, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that the spurs are the perceived large threat in the league going forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My one caveat to that is big guys are injury prone, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you build around a women yama or, I mean, dilution when, especially when those big guys
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, in the earlier years, in the NBA, big talls were the go-to build around, but as of late, we've seen it's not been the case as the game has changed, and they're just so imagery-prone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look at people like Joel and B to just can't say on the floor for a full season ever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean Ralph Sampson it just goes on is a lot.
22:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to look at it as like humans aren't really meant to be that So it's like so sort of I don't necessarily want to say mutation.
22:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But some sort of genetic thing that causes them to be that way.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But human bodies joints and tendons and stuff.
22:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not really meant to be that big
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
22:22
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not.
22:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually watch that that series against the Nixon.
22:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I if lost all faith that he's the next one because I watch Carl Anthony towns bully his ass for six games.
22:36
[SPEAKER_03]: He's 21, if he's.
22:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, whatever he is.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still a child, man.
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Carl has a talent.
22:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Anthony Towns.
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop.
22:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Stop.
22:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think so.
22:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You can say this, you got to see.
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Carl Anthony Towns.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop.
22:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
22:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Guys, SD is hell.
22:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Gavin Wimby buckets.
22:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Wimby wanted nothing to do with them.
22:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Wimby, too.
22:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Or Carl Anthony Towns did to Wimby.
23:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Wimby did to check home green.
23:01
[SPEAKER_03]: He took his will to play the game.
23:03
[SPEAKER_02]: But that don't change over the next couple of years, will.
23:05
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to change over the next year.
23:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I promise you, I, this is just an absolute assurance from what I've seen from this pacers team when he doesn't want to play the pacers for seven games.
23:15
[SPEAKER_03]: He will get his ass ran out of the jam bad.
23:17
[SPEAKER_03]: He, he can't do it.
23:18
[SPEAKER_03]: He can't play with that pace.
23:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He can't play hard for 40 minutes.
23:21
[SPEAKER_03]: He can't do it.
23:22
[SPEAKER_03]: He's 75 just to tap into what John said.
23:26
[SPEAKER_03]: His body is not built to do that.
23:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't want to get physical, he doesn't want to get physical.
23:32
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want to play hard in the paint.
23:34
[SPEAKER_04]: He wants to stand out there and be a free point for physical grade.
23:37
[SPEAKER_04]: You want to stay over here and make sure you want to play that way.
23:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You could watch the games and tell he wants to be physical.
23:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He just can't yet.
23:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be part of that.
23:47
[SPEAKER_02]: He aches to be a grown man who can't yet.
23:51
[SPEAKER_02]: He is so tough, he is so motivated, he is going to be a huge problem every season.
23:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I would agree with you that he may want to be physical.
24:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think his frame is going to let him.
24:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he is built entirely different than Yannas was.
24:06
[SPEAKER_03]: You could tell, Yannas was very broad.
24:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Even when he was drafted, you saw the frame for him to be big.
24:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Wimbie is always going to struggle to maintain weight and maintain mass.
24:18
[SPEAKER_03]: with how tall he is.
24:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that you're seeing a limitation of his is I just don't think he's ever going to be physically huge.
24:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't he's he's so much bigger than even a Kevin Durant that he's never going to be a shifty.
24:32
[SPEAKER_03]: He's never going to be able to get his shot within 18 feet the way that Kevin Durant can.
24:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't want to compare when be to a legitimate all-time great, which is what Kevin Durant is.
24:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's an unfair comparison to any one of his career.
24:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't watch that series and think that Wimbie is going to be the guy.
24:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Dylan Harper, who I'm more afraid of.
24:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think I see the way that he can develop his game and he could be a killer.
24:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he could be SGA.
25:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that is the level of player that he could be.
25:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the most more scary.
25:05
[SPEAKER_02]: and Stefan Castle's the perfect number three guy man there.
25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Stefan Castle's a dog.
25:10
[SPEAKER_03]: A guy is built in the pound.
25:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He is an animal.
25:14
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know.
25:16
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be not.
25:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Wendy's not.
25:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Stefan Castle and Dylan Harper, they want it.
25:20
[SPEAKER_03]: That you could see they were, they want it.
25:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see it from Wendy.
25:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, I just, that series was enough for me to to close my eyes on him being the next greatest thing in the NBA.
25:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think he's going to be able to keep up with it.
25:35
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, well, I might, but I'm not seeing, and great.
25:38
[SPEAKER_04]: You can say he wants to be physical.
25:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he does, but a guy who I think came in, tall, skinny, not quite as tall as Wendy, but had just that streak of nasty in him.
25:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think, well, Wendy hasn't shown that.
25:53
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is Kevin Garnett.
25:57
[SPEAKER_04]: when he came into the league, he was skinny and bony, but he had a little bit of a streak of nasty in him that allowed him to battle, I guess.
26:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure on it.
26:06
[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, he's been a typical sinner in what Wimbee face is facing.
26:09
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with Will, I don't know that Wimbee will ever be that player that you think he's going to be physical wise.
26:17
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Wimbee has got a really nice finesse game.
26:20
[SPEAKER_04]: He's quick off the floor.
26:22
[SPEAKER_04]: He can get to the ball a whole lot, but it'll be interesting.
26:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't necessarily see him turning into being that a physical player like Yokeage.
26:39
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Michelle, John Will, thank you so much for your time and before we go, one word yes or no to the Pacers win the championship next year, Will.
26:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: y'all are gonna hate me, but no.
26:58
[SPEAKER_04]: The, the, the history says no because they seem to have bad luck.
27:04
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm actually going to do this with, say this with my fingers crossed.
27:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And, um, knocking on wood.
27:14
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm gonna agree with will, I, I say yes, I, they're overdue.
27:18
[SPEAKER_04]: And as long as they don't,
27:21
[SPEAKER_04]: trade away, nim hard, and change the shake up the roster a whole lot.
27:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I will say yes, but if they give up a lot to bring in Murphy and then my answer is no.
27:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm convinced I'm going to go my whole lifetime without the pace of the way on the championships.
27:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying the answer is no.
27:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I'm wrong.
27:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks guys on that positive note.
27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you guys so much for your time.
27:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a lot of fun.
27:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think talking placeers, it's just so much work.
27:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think, I just think there's too many teams on the ride.
27:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They had their window and the Achilles just killed it.
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I'm, I mean, you said one word, so I stuck with my one word, but that's my, yeah, it's my word, Tyler.
28:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree, I think the spurs are going to be too good.
28:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the funder is still going to be they're going to do something be awfully good the Celtics that we got and she's on the rise too, but I don't know.
28:19
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be interesting to see what the spurs do because Fox did not play well and it'll be interesting to see if they look if they look to go because I think Harper is going to be better than Fox.
28:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very well.
28:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Very well.
28:34
[SPEAKER_04]: You can Fox take that back seat roll and
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Fox is going to be one.
28:39
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to be there much longer.
28:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't fit quite as well with the other three.
28:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this year, but eventually they're going to be wrong.
28:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to be the guy that eventually.
28:50
[SPEAKER_02]: When they need to pay Harper and Castle, it'll be Fox who is on his way out a year or two from now.
28:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be those.
28:59
[SPEAKER_03]: He is a terrorist.
29:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He told me he was a member of our guide, I would believe it, because he was just absolutely brutal, brutal, brutal.
29:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He was discussing to watch.
29:14
[SPEAKER_03]: He's up there with like none of him.
29:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Mitchell, Jim, Brunson, Yana's hate watch for me.
29:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Where I just I can't.
29:21
[SPEAKER_03]: He makes me upset to watch play basketball.
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: get a little bonus again this two days in a row is bonus for you guys.
29:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much.
29:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Michelle you want to add in a saying thing about to me you can catch things again.
29:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just kidding.