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Speaker 1: Are you there.
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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm here, I'm here. Can you hear me?
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Speaker 3: Nice to meet you again, and thank you for accepting
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Speaker 3: this invitation to be here again with us.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here.
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Speaker 3: So, you know, despite the signing of preliminary agreement in
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Speaker 3: Islamabad between the presidents of Iran and also United.
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Speaker 1: States that they aimed at ending.
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Speaker 3: The military you know, hostilities, the implementation of this deal
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Speaker 3: has immediately run into serious trouble.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: The crisis made in stem from israel ongoing military campaign
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Speaker 3: in southern Lebanon against.
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Speaker 1: The has Bellah. Let me say, and they bombed over.
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Speaker 3: A te targets despite a meditated ceasefire announcement, and as
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Speaker 3: you know that Tel Aviv is you know, refusing this
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Speaker 3: agreement and says no, I won't stop bombing the southern
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Speaker 3: part of Lebanon, and I don't accept this kind of negotiations.
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Speaker 3: I'm not the one that is gonna sign everything. So
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Speaker 3: the question here is that we know there is something
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Speaker 3: that we know. America and Israel are not separated from
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Speaker 3: each other, and they are as they believe and as
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Speaker 3: they always declare and always announce that we are perfect
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Speaker 3: great allies. So this time, I want to ask this
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Speaker 3: question from you, that why United States again is you know,
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Speaker 3: uh breaking this let me say agreements by bumbing Lebanon.
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Speaker 3: Actually they are doing against what they promised. Let me say, so,
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Speaker 3: what's happening exactly why they're doing this? Why they still
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Speaker 3: insist on you know, breaking this promises?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I agree that Israel in the United States
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Speaker 2: are basically the same animal. But again, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: it's to be debated whether who is the brain of
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Speaker 2: the animal and who is the butt of the animal.
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Speaker 2: I right now it looks like Israel is the one
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Speaker 2: that's calling the shots because the agreement was very clearly
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Speaker 2: stated Lebanon must be part of the deal. Uh and
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Speaker 2: and Israel said no, no, like I, I didn't sign
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Speaker 2: that agreement. It's I'm gonna do what I always wanted,
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Speaker 2: which is continue pursuit of the greater Israel project in
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Speaker 2: Middle East. Now, Trump, the reason Trump tackled and signed
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Speaker 2: the surrender document in Versailles, of all places, is because
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Speaker 2: he realized the world is heading towards economic uh precipitous
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Speaker 2: if the war continues, and there's a lot of pressure
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Speaker 2: building inside the United States to have him end this war.
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Speaker 2: But the problem is the United States lacks the political
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Speaker 2: will to constrain its so called ally Israel. You know,
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Speaker 2: both both sides of the Isle, whether Democrats or Republicans,
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Speaker 2: none of them want to you know, none of them
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Speaker 2: want to stop Israel. On the contrary, you know, the
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Speaker 2: only disagreement Democratic Party has with Trump is that they
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Speaker 2: themselves want to do biddings for Israel rather than Trump
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Speaker 2: in the White House. So this is a problem that
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Speaker 2: that this is a big issue for the agreement. Again,
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Speaker 2: it's not that United States cannot restrain Israel. We have
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Speaker 2: seen occasions where is United State States can tell Israel
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Speaker 2: what to do. For example, Israel was selling military were
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Speaker 2: selling military technologies to China in the early in the
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Speaker 2: nineteen nineties and early two thousand, States put it step
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Speaker 2: down and tell Israel you have to stop that, and
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Speaker 2: Israel stopped. And because that's something that United States feel
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Speaker 2: very strongly about UH its national security. But when it
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Speaker 2: comes to israel behavior in the West Asia, a lot
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Speaker 2: of times UH United States take if not a supportive role,
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Speaker 2: but but totally hands off approach. And and Natiafu himself
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Speaker 2: has a very strong incentive to continue this war, not
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Speaker 2: only because this is uh that he's thinking he's trying
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Speaker 2: to remake the Middle East right now and this time
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Speaker 2: is his bad chance. But also he's he's trying to
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Speaker 2: stay out of jail. As long as he's a war
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Speaker 2: prep wartime president, he cannot be touched, it cannot be
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Speaker 2: charged to with corruption and and uh and be brought
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Speaker 2: brought to justice. So so for him, UH, it's both
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Speaker 2: person and political to drag this, drag out this war
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Speaker 2: as long as possible. And and they're simply not the
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Speaker 2: political world that we can see from the United States
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Speaker 2: to tell him to stop.
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Speaker 1: So do you think that the United States is doing this?
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not insisting on you know, on Nataniaho
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Speaker 3: to stop, you know, bombing Lebanese, I.
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Speaker 1: Mean the southern part.
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Speaker 3: Just maybe because he wants to test how much patient
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Speaker 3: Iran is. Maybe maybe he just wants to test Iran. Okay,
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Speaker 3: I want to see when you're gonna, you know, say, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm fed up, I'm gonna start, you know, the war again.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna start, you know, dropping bombs on a Israel.
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Speaker 3: Do you think he's i mean, Trump is trying to
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Speaker 3: test Iran?
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Speaker 2: Also, that is a possible explanation because we know Trump's
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Speaker 2: negotiation style. You know, he likes to play hardball. He
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Speaker 2: he always try to raise the unreasonable demand. He wanted
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Speaker 2: to see the other side unsettled and and for for him,
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Speaker 2: Israel could be a negotiation chip. So it's like, look,
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Speaker 2: zero is zero restrained. I can't control him. They're crazy,
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Speaker 2: but it's possible. But again, the problem is he does
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Speaker 2: not really have any leverage in this Uh. In this war,
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Speaker 2: Iran has all the chips. Because Ran has the control
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Speaker 2: over the straight or hole moves. That's something that the
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Speaker 2: United States cannot contest. You know, if they're able to
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Speaker 2: contest the Iranian controls moves, that they would have done
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Speaker 2: it already. Uh. The fact that they have to come
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Speaker 2: to sit down in negotiation and sign the MLU tells you,
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Speaker 2: tells you that United States cannot challenge Iranians unilateral control
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Speaker 2: of the trade or home moves. So that's something that
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Speaker 2: Uran can always Uh. You know that that leverage is
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Speaker 2: always in Iran's pocket. You know, Iran has the ability
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Speaker 2: to turn on or off the marine traffic and straight
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Speaker 2: horbus at its will. It's up to the United States
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Speaker 2: to stick to the agreement it signed.
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Speaker 3: So as you know, they made the negotiations two days ago,
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Speaker 3: they signed it, and then after that Iran stopped, you know,
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Speaker 3: firing and then even those people who were you know,
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Speaker 3: in southern part of living and I don't like to
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Speaker 3: mention the name because of some problems that will have
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Speaker 3: we will have. So they also didn't bomb Israeli side,
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Speaker 3: They didn't fight with them, but as we saw and
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Speaker 3: witnessed that Israel didn't stop and started, you know, even
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Speaker 3: worse than before. And after that, Iran yesterday announced that
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Speaker 3: they closed the Strait of Hormuz as a response to
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Speaker 3: you know this, uh, you know this bombings. So the
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Speaker 3: point is, do you think that these two things are
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Speaker 3: equal to each other? I mean, on the Irani side
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Speaker 3: closes the straight Hormos and on the other side is bombing.
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Speaker 3: So this too, I mean, how much they are equal
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Speaker 3: to each other? Because you know, as you as you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't know maybe you know this or not, but
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Speaker 3: lots of people here in Iran or also in Lebanon
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Speaker 3: thought that Iran left Lebanon high and dry and they
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Speaker 3: left them alone with this you know, let me say
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Speaker 3: harsh enemy, because they they found okay, nobody is here.
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Speaker 3: Nobody is trying to defend this Lebanese people. The southern
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Speaker 3: point is mine. So let's bomb them as much as
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Speaker 3: I you know, can, and destroy them until I have time.
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Speaker 3: Because because this is the plant that Israel wan. You know,
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Speaker 3: they want this part, the southern point they wanted, they wanted,
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Speaker 3: they want that part from the beginning, so they didn't stop.
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Speaker 3: But on the other side, the response of Iran was
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Speaker 3: the closure of hermus. So I want to know how
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Speaker 3: much these two things are equal to each other. Is
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Speaker 3: it beneficial?
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Speaker 1: Is it?
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Speaker 3: Is it?
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Speaker 1: You know a good response here?
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Speaker 2: Well, like I said, uh Uranian control of the straight
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Speaker 2: or Hormos is Iran's main leverage, and that's that's something
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Speaker 2: that cannot easily be challenged by the United States. And
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Speaker 2: Uran was very clear in signing the MU that Lebanon
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Speaker 2: must be part of the deal. Now you're breaking the deal. Well,
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Speaker 2: guess what straighter Homos is closed again. So if you
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Speaker 2: want to open the straight or Hormus, you have to
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Speaker 2: abide by the grievent you signed. So the including pressure
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Speaker 2: in Israel. So I mean, Uron never abandoned Lebanon. And
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Speaker 2: then let's let's let's let's be frank. Israel's interest in Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: It's not only to destroy Ezbola. Israel is now waging
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Speaker 2: a total war against southern Lebanon, the way they have
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Speaker 2: done in Gaza. They're they're trying to turn southern Lebanon
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Speaker 2: into another Gaza. Again. This is to satisfy its own
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Speaker 2: Greater Israel project. And I don't think they would even
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Speaker 2: stop at the South Lebanon because the Greater Israel project
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Speaker 2: is literally from the River Nile to River Euphrates. That's
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Speaker 2: another reason Israel dragged United States into this war against Iran,
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Speaker 2: because they seek rightly and correctly that yourang it remains
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Speaker 2: the biggest obstacle for Israel to achieve its Greater Israel
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Speaker 2: project in Middle East.
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Speaker 1: So, you know, there are lots of things.
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Speaker 3: Actually, I was watching your podcast and I saw that
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Speaker 3: you mentioned that whatever is Trump is doing right now
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Speaker 3: is going to change everything. I mean, he did this negotiations,
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Speaker 3: he wanted the negotiations. He wanted to come to an
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Speaker 3: agreement with Iran because he thinks that he's going to
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Speaker 3: change everything in the region. But we see that Israel
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Speaker 3: is trying to somehow, you know, violate everything and does
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Speaker 3: not accept, you know, whatever America dictates, but we don't agree.
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Speaker 3: We think that both of them are on the same road.
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Speaker 3: Both and everything they do is just exactly the same thing,
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Speaker 3: and they're not separated from each other because they believe
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Speaker 3: in that too.
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Speaker 1: So I want to.
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Speaker 3: Think that I want I want to ask you this
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Speaker 3: question that do you think that Trump can change everything
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Speaker 3: in this you know, in this part, in this in
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Speaker 3: this region, I mean by this negotiation, how much it
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Speaker 3: can help him to fulfill his whim or dreams.
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Speaker 2: Let me say, well, Trump won his Nobel Peace Prize,
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Speaker 2: and you know he made no secret about that, but
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Speaker 2: he also wants to leave a legacy. You know, he's
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Speaker 2: not he's not allowed to run for another term for
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Speaker 2: the US president, and that the last thing he wants
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Speaker 2: to do is to be mesh in a quadmire in
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Speaker 2: Middle East, and which the war was developed into one
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Speaker 2: before the m o U S signed. So they're very
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Speaker 2: powerful incentives that drag Trump onto the negotiation table. But again,
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Speaker 2: to comply to compel Israel to buy by the agreement
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Speaker 2: is going to be difficult because Israeli lobby remains very
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Speaker 2: powerful in the US domestic politics, and you know, both
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Speaker 2: aisle of the Congress are bought and paid for. If
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Speaker 2: it's one thing that US is good for is that
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Speaker 2: American congressmen are they they they're the best politician the
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Speaker 2: the the money can pay for and and there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of money. There's a lot of money going around
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Speaker 2: to make sure they continue to stick to the program
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Speaker 2: of supporting in Israel's project in Middle East, that it's
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Speaker 2: go ahead.
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Speaker 3: No, no, So you you mentioned the Israel project. So
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Speaker 3: that's why I just wanted to pause a little bit
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Speaker 3: on this. What kind of things they have, what kind
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Speaker 3: of plans they have in their head?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean is for fort for Israel's point of view,
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Speaker 2: it wants to dominate West Asia. It cannot tolerate another
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Speaker 2: strong regional power that can challenge Israel. Uh in fulfill
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Speaker 2: it's greater Israel project from from River Niles to River
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Speaker 2: euphrase you're run is the biggest obstacle. That's why you know,
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Speaker 2: you went back in nineteen nineties, there was a project.
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Speaker 2: There was a project to remake the Middle East. It
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Speaker 2: was a plan that presented from Daniel Pipe to Natiyahu
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Speaker 2: and that that that that the it's called the road
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Speaker 2: Map to remake the Middle East and from that it
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Speaker 2: got involved to evolved to seven countries in five years.
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Speaker 2: That the plan that was revealed by former US Supreme
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Speaker 2: Command of NATO Wesley Clark, that just before the Iraq war,
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Speaker 2: people in Pentagon said, Okay, there's our seven countries that
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Speaker 2: were going to go after. And they went after every
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Speaker 2: single country except Youraan, you know, because they have to wait,
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Speaker 2: you know, they have to save Uran for the last
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Speaker 2: because you wrong, is the most powerful regional power. And
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Speaker 2: seven US presidents has resisted Israeli pressure to go to
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Speaker 2: war directly against Iran because worst war game after war
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Speaker 2: games showed that Iran will shut down the straight or
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Speaker 2: hor lous like they did. And you know, for whatever reason,
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Speaker 2: Trump is a stupid enough to actually we go for it.
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Speaker 2: This is why I think Nata Yahu's government think now
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Speaker 2: is the best chance if they're gonna do do something
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Speaker 2: about you round, this is this is is now or never.
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Speaker 2: They have to seize this time to drag United States
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Speaker 2: into a direct war against Iran, which they did, and
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Speaker 2: now they don't want to give it up because they
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Speaker 2: they Israel has no no, no interesting peace.
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Speaker 3: So do you believe in this that it's not a piece,
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Speaker 3: it's a pause. Right, This is the same thing that
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Speaker 3: you mentioned all the time. So I want to know
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Speaker 3: according to what you said, I think again you believe
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Speaker 3: in this that it's a type of pause because Israel
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Speaker 3: uh tries to you know, make or start the war
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Speaker 3: again and again.
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, Israel doesn't even want the pause. They just
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Speaker 2: want they just want United States to be continually involved
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Speaker 2: in war against irund because Israel also know by itself
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Speaker 2: it cannot take on Iraq. We see that on the
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Speaker 2: Twelve Days War. Israel is not simply capable to come
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Speaker 2: from Iran on its own. It needed United States to
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Speaker 2: step into the ring to fight Iran for its own interest.
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Speaker 2: And so the longer they can't get the United States
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Speaker 2: engaged in hostile looking against Iran, you know, the better
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Speaker 2: is ISRAELI positioned in West Asia.
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Speaker 3: So why actually some days ago I saw that mister
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Speaker 3: Vance was you know, attacking NATANIAO and Israel. And what
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Speaker 3: what's the story?
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Speaker 1: How come for? You know, before we.
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Speaker 3: What we saw it was just they were talking about
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Speaker 3: each other, they were admiring each other. And now we
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Speaker 3: see that everything is changing. Is it another again demolished plan?
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Speaker 3: Behind all of these you know, things they have changed totally.
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Speaker 3: What's cooking exactly, what's going on.
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Speaker 2: A lot of kabuki. There's a lot of kabooki theater
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Speaker 2: between the White House and Israel. You know, they all
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Speaker 2: do this pretend cat fight among each other. And it's
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Speaker 2: like one thing that Trump is really good at doing
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Speaker 2: is creating distractions, creating distraction for the media because he
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Speaker 2: understand television. He was a reality TV show host before
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Speaker 2: he became the President of the United States to know
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Speaker 2: how to create these uh throw out those curveballs and
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Speaker 2: and and and and throw out these bay to the
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Speaker 2: media to distract people's attention.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: That's what he has been doing for most of his term. Uh,
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Speaker 2: that's what he knows how to do, which is medium manipulation.
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Speaker 2: But you know that the real problem uh still remains
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Speaker 2: that they have to do. They have to abide by
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Speaker 2: the agreement. They have to buy by the MLU that's
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Speaker 2: signed in order to wind down this war in order
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Speaker 2: to open the straight or home moves. Otherwise the world
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Speaker 2: economy is going to come to a crash and and
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Speaker 2: and and you know that that as much as Trump
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Speaker 2: wants to do bidding for Israel. You know, he still
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Speaker 2: does not want to see the crash of the stock
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Speaker 2: market where he you know, already made tons of money
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Speaker 2: through through stock manipulations. Uh so, I I think there's
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Speaker 2: some conflict of interest. But I think a lot of
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Speaker 2: the what is shown to the public, like the fight
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Speaker 2: between Trump or bands with the Dayahwa, I think much
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Speaker 2: of that is just it's just political theater. I mean
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Speaker 2: Confucius says, you know, listen to one's worst, but watch
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Speaker 2: one's action. If Israel actually stops their aggression against southern
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Speaker 2: leban Now, now we know, you know those US I
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Speaker 2: really have applied pressure of Israel, but so far nothing.
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Speaker 1: So that's what.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly as you said that the word theater is
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Speaker 3: actually answering all of these questions. That's right, you know,
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Speaker 3: because because as we know, as you said, Israel has
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Speaker 3: a plan to.
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Speaker 1: Have a big Israel.
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Speaker 3: And if they you know, stop bombing Lebanese, if they
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Speaker 3: be you know, I mean, Nataniaho turns into a very
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Speaker 3: good boy, right.
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Speaker 1: So it's exactly against what they have.
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Speaker 3: Even even I saw some days ago he declared that
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Speaker 3: and he said God is going to help us and
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Speaker 3: we will have these things, and that you know, the
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Speaker 3: plan that we have in our head is going to
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Speaker 3: be fulfilled. So he is saying something and so this
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Speaker 3: is this is something, you know, it makes us, you know,
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Speaker 3: it turns the story into a complicated one.
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Speaker 1: We don't know who to trust.
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Speaker 3: Trump is saying something and on the other side, Nataiaho
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Speaker 3: is saying something else. He says, I want to continue,
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Speaker 3: and that's why he says, no, they will listen to me.
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Speaker 3: And whatever I say is the one that I want.
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Speaker 3: You know, I have the control over them, and they
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Speaker 3: will stop, you know, fighting. But when you just reflect
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Speaker 3: upon this, when you just a little think about whatever
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Speaker 3: is happening or the history itself, you will find that
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Speaker 3: there is something you know, fishy looks fishy. You know,
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Speaker 3: something wrong here is happening. We don't know exactly who
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Speaker 3: to trust. So the media itself, I think, is here
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Speaker 3: doesn't know which one is. So how much the media
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Speaker 3: I mentioned the media here? How much they what's the
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Speaker 3: reaction of media? Each side says I'm the winner. Each
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Speaker 3: side says I did the right thing. United States say
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Speaker 3: they begged me for you know, Iran begged me for this,
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Speaker 3: negotiations for the piece, for everything.
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Speaker 1: But on the other side.
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Speaker 3: Iran also believed that they did right and they are
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Speaker 3: victorious here in this battlefield. So I want to know
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Speaker 3: the reaction of let me say, Western media, what do
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Speaker 3: they think exactly about what is happening between these two countries.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Western media at this point, they're just uh,
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Speaker 2: they're they're they're not They're not doing journalism anymore. I
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Speaker 2: mean it has been there has been no investigative journalism
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Speaker 2: in the Western media for a long time. What they
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Speaker 2: do have is access, is access journalism. You know, they
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Speaker 2: whatever that was printed, it was because it was lead
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Speaker 2: to them, but on purpose, you know, this is what
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Speaker 2: the So they act as spoke, the act as a
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Speaker 2: mouse piece for the State Department, for for for Washington
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Speaker 2: and and so like they're just telling they're just telling
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Speaker 2: us what you know, the Trump administration on nat Yahoo's
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Speaker 2: administration want us to hear. Now for the people who
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Speaker 2: actually pay attention, for the intelligent people who have been
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Speaker 2: observing this, this has been an unambiguous Iranian victory. You know,
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Speaker 2: Iran has forced United States, the most powerful empire on earth,
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Speaker 2: to come to sit down and sign an EMU that
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Speaker 2: says United States will stop doing what he has done,
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Speaker 2: which is aggression toward Ran. You will pay reparation, you
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Speaker 2: will lift all the sanctions. I mean, Urran is clearly
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Speaker 2: the winner. Well again this is Rung definitely won the
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Speaker 2: first round. Again with the follow up is to make
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Speaker 2: sure the United States are bye by the agreement. And
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Speaker 2: but Uran do have a very powerful weapon. It's arsenal.
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Speaker 2: It's called the control of the straight hormose. If the
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Speaker 2: United States do not stray away from the agreement, Uran
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Speaker 2: can always close the trade or homose until there's some compliance.
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Speaker 2: And and and that's where we're witnessing right now. And
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Speaker 2: let's and let's let's let's be clear. You know, both
22:56
Speaker 2: Natayapu and Trump administration there are reemen incapable. Uh you know,
23:02
Speaker 2: they have gone back on their words so many times.
23:05
Speaker 2: But what what it needed is a strong reason to
23:11
Speaker 2: compel them to abide by the agreement. And that strong
23:15
Speaker 2: reason again it runs control of the strait or homos.
23:20
Speaker 3: So let's go back to the negotiations. You know, signatures
23:25
Speaker 3: and these things.
23:26
Speaker 1: You know, I want to know.
23:29
Speaker 3: The first you know, term the negotiations is what we
23:34
Speaker 3: know that the United States of American is not a
23:37
Speaker 3: republic of Iran and their allies in the current war
23:39
Speaker 3: are signing the m o U to declare the immediate
23:42
Speaker 3: and permanent We know all of these things, but they said, uh, here,
23:50
Speaker 3: let me read it because this is very important to
23:52
Speaker 3: me and to all of the people. Uh declare the
23:58
Speaker 3: immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all France,
24:02
Speaker 3: including in Lebanon.
24:04
Speaker 1: So did it happen? Truly, no, big no, right, it
24:12
Speaker 1: didn't happen. But how come we after that?
24:16
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, we closed the Strait of Hermos in
24:19
Speaker 3: order to stop Israel not bumbing you know, Lebanon, the
24:24
Speaker 3: southern part of Lebanon.
24:27
Speaker 1: But despite all of these things.
24:28
Speaker 3: We saw yesterday that the group of you know, negotiators,
24:34
Speaker 3: the high ranked people I mean of Iran, they left
24:38
Speaker 3: Iran to Switzerland. They went to Geneva in order to
24:44
Speaker 3: exactly what is exactly what was coming, you know, because
24:46
Speaker 3: we had two two negotiations. One of them was the
24:48
Speaker 3: ceasefire in all fronts everywhere, all of them. They said, okay,
24:53
Speaker 3: and then we had four tea items for that, for
24:55
Speaker 3: teen items for that. Sorry, So they said, if this fulfilled,
25:01
Speaker 3: then we're gonna go to the second step, which is
25:03
Speaker 3: for sixteen sixty days of negotiations, which you're gonna talking about.
25:07
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about.
25:08
Speaker 3: The the the sanctions, the you know, those no clears
25:14
Speaker 3: issues and blah blah and lots of other things. So
25:17
Speaker 3: what has happened exactly? I want to know exactly what
25:20
Speaker 3: is going on? Why they left Iran to Geneva. Why
25:23
Speaker 3: they left Iran to Geneva? Did they left it for
25:26
Speaker 3: did they go for the signature of the ceasefire which
25:30
Speaker 3: is not fulfilled yet? Because we see that it's not
25:33
Speaker 3: happening right now at the moment of I'm talking to
25:35
Speaker 3: you still, I don't think it's happened. Israel is just bombing,
25:38
Speaker 3: just pauses a little and then bombs again and pauses
25:41
Speaker 3: a little until it gets that part for itself and
25:45
Speaker 3: then so and we see there are lots of people
25:49
Speaker 3: who left. One of them was the Central Bank governor
25:53
Speaker 3: of Iran. What is exactly I mean, when you just
25:56
Speaker 3: take a look at those people who are going there,
25:59
Speaker 3: you don't you know, you don't know why exactly the
26:03
Speaker 3: people left. These people went, I mean why they went.
26:08
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask, let me put this question
26:10
Speaker 3: in this way, that why they went to Geneva. You know,
26:14
Speaker 3: we're in the midst of you know, the first one.
26:17
Speaker 3: I mean, still this step isn't didn't you.
26:20
Speaker 1: Know, we didn't go forward?
26:22
Speaker 3: So why they went especially the people and you just
26:25
Speaker 3: check the people the list of the people who left,
26:28
Speaker 3: you will have this question that what is happening exactly
26:31
Speaker 3: why they went there, what are the plans?
26:38
Speaker 2: Well, in any kind of type of negotiation, you want
26:41
Speaker 2: to keep the dialogue channel open. And you know that
26:46
Speaker 2: what I particularly is this juncture when the ceasefire are
26:55
Speaker 2: being broken, you still want to be in communication with
27:00
Speaker 2: the counterparty to make sure they understand your turns, to
27:05
Speaker 2: understand that you mean business, uh and and and and
27:10
Speaker 2: also you know, like like people might raise questions why
27:17
Speaker 2: the negotiation continues, but that's that's the nature of negotiation,
27:23
Speaker 2: you know, like you you you you negotiate with your enemies.
27:27
Speaker 2: You know, you don't sign the term of peace with
27:29
Speaker 2: your friends. And but the important thing is to keep
27:33
Speaker 2: the communication channel open so that both sides are exchanging
27:37
Speaker 2: views and and it's also important for the Iranian side
27:42
Speaker 2: to raise their own concerns, for example, concerns on the
27:47
Speaker 2: on the breaking of the ceasefire.
27:54
Speaker 3: So do you think that they I mean, was it right?
27:58
Speaker 3: Do you believe in this that we still didn't fulfill
28:01
Speaker 3: the first fourteen items. So for lots of people here
28:06
Speaker 3: they said why they went, They wish that they didn't
28:09
Speaker 3: travel right, especially right now, because lots of people thought
28:12
Speaker 3: that when you go to Geneva to do the next steps,
28:17
Speaker 3: it means that you left Lebanon. That's the point, because
28:22
Speaker 3: the most important one didn't fulfill.
28:24
Speaker 1: They didn't the first.
28:25
Speaker 2: Important That's that's a lot of assumptions, right, I mean,
28:30
Speaker 2: like the assumption is that they are ready to ink
28:34
Speaker 2: to move on to the second phase we have right now,
28:37
Speaker 2: that's all speculation. We we don't know that until there's
28:43
Speaker 2: announcement say oh we're moving to this second phase. And
28:47
Speaker 2: and you know, like like right now, I understand a
28:51
Speaker 2: lot of people are anxious because what Israel or is
28:55
Speaker 2: doing to southern Lebanon. And but this is this typically
29:01
Speaker 2: happens in a negotiation. I mean, negotiation still happens in
29:05
Speaker 2: the midst of a war. You've got to keep the
29:09
Speaker 2: communication channel open. There's a lot of back and forth,
29:13
Speaker 2: you know, like it's not when the MoU was signed,
29:18
Speaker 2: this was beginning of a process This is not the end.
29:22
Speaker 2: This is not okay. The deal has been signed. Now
29:25
Speaker 2: now the piece will break out. Now. This is this.
29:30
Speaker 2: They signed agreement on a pathway to achieve peace. We're
29:35
Speaker 2: still at very initial stages. And I think talking ja
29:40
Speaker 2: ja is always better than World War.
29:44
Speaker 1: Good.
29:45
Speaker 3: You know, they believe that because of the sixth item
29:51
Speaker 3: of you know this fourteen items. They said, because of
29:55
Speaker 3: number six, the people you know went to Geneva Ton
30:00
Speaker 3: negotiate about these things and you know, clarify lots of
30:03
Speaker 3: things and talk about this. If I want to read that,
30:06
Speaker 3: it says the United States of America under takes the
30:09
Speaker 3: with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually a greed
30:13
Speaker 3: plan with at least three hundred billion dollars for the
30:17
Speaker 3: reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
30:21
Speaker 1: They believe that we went because of this.
30:26
Speaker 3: But when we just take and look at the people
30:29
Speaker 3: who are living, that's why we have a big you know,
30:32
Speaker 3: the big question, big question mark comes in our head
30:35
Speaker 3: that if you went for this, So, like.
30:39
Speaker 2: I said before, listen to one's words, watch one's action.
30:44
Speaker 2: What you wrong has done is closed. The straight over
30:47
Speaker 2: moves that is the most effective weapon Iran has in
30:51
Speaker 2: its hands to compel, to compel compliance. And Uron did that.
30:56
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's that's what you people should look at.
30:59
Speaker 2: Did you run close the strait of Homus? Yes, Iran
31:02
Speaker 2: did that. So I mean that is probably the most way,
31:06
Speaker 2: more compelling than whether or not you run sent delegation
31:10
Speaker 2: to me With the US side, I mean that now
31:14
Speaker 2: United States has to grapple with the consequences consequences with
31:19
Speaker 2: the reclosure of the strait or Homose, and it's up again,
31:22
Speaker 2: it's up to them to decide how they will respond.
31:26
Speaker 3: So there's a question again about this one. I mean
31:29
Speaker 3: the number six. I was reading it. As I was reading,
31:31
Speaker 3: I said that they agreed, you know, the uh the
31:35
Speaker 3: amount of money is three hundred billion dollars for the
31:39
Speaker 3: reconstruction and economic development. But why Donald Trump is you know,
31:43
Speaker 3: denying this and it says no, it's exactly in the
31:48
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, what what is happening?
31:51
Speaker 1: It's mentioned here?
31:52
Speaker 2: Have you written the United States will never own to
31:56
Speaker 2: the fact that it has paid reparations, you know, like
32:00
Speaker 2: because the United States government is allergic to the term reparations.
32:03
Speaker 2: You know, it leads to all kinds of questions like
32:06
Speaker 2: is the United States gonna pay reparation for slavery? Etcetera,
32:09
Speaker 2: et cetera. So what Donald Trump will do is who
32:13
Speaker 2: will spin it? He will call it aid or you know,
32:17
Speaker 2: you will call it anything other than reparation. He may
32:21
Speaker 2: even call it humanitarian aid or something. But the fact
32:25
Speaker 2: everyone knows he's paying reparations for damages to Iran. And
32:31
Speaker 2: and no matter how like how much lipstick Trump is
32:37
Speaker 2: putting on his side of the agreement, it is what
32:40
Speaker 2: it is. It is reparation. Maybe the United States government
32:43
Speaker 2: refused to call it that, but they're gonna pay up.
32:47
Speaker 2: They're gonna pay up the three hundred million dollars no
32:49
Speaker 2: matter what.
32:51
Speaker 1: Do you think.
32:51
Speaker 3: They will pay it because in Iraq also they didn't
32:53
Speaker 3: pay any even a penny to Iraqi people, especially there.
32:57
Speaker 2: I see you again. There's a big major difference between
33:01
Speaker 2: Iraq and Iran is that Iran has the control of
33:05
Speaker 2: the strader almost this is this is something that Iraq
33:09
Speaker 2: didn't have over the United States. You know, Iraqi government
33:13
Speaker 2: had to depend on the good graces the US government
33:17
Speaker 2: to find there they're good conscience in their heart to
33:22
Speaker 2: actually give the money back. But Iran can always close
33:27
Speaker 2: the Straight and that that's that's that's that's the best
33:32
Speaker 2: compliance tool ever.
33:34
Speaker 3: So maybe in the sixty days, I mean they come
33:36
Speaker 3: to an agreement maybe first and then before they go
33:40
Speaker 3: to the second phase, maybe America starts to take whatever
33:45
Speaker 3: it wants from this part. I mean, this strait of hormones,
33:48
Speaker 3: I mean feels the storage of oil takes whatever it wants.
33:54
Speaker 3: And then this is a this is a you know,
33:57
Speaker 3: let me say believe some people think so they say
34:00
Speaker 3: that they will get refreshed and maybe they will find
34:05
Speaker 3: a replacement instead of you know, State or Foremost, and
34:07
Speaker 3: then they say, okay, if you want to close it,
34:09
Speaker 3: you can close it.
34:10
Speaker 1: Then I start, you know, bombing you.
34:12
Speaker 3: Some believe in this that the United States is planning
34:16
Speaker 3: to you know, get rid of this straight and find
34:19
Speaker 3: another way.
34:20
Speaker 1: Do you think so? Or no, there's no.
34:22
Speaker 2: Other there's there's no way to replace twenty percent supply
34:27
Speaker 2: of worlds oil and natural gas. I mean that this
34:31
Speaker 2: is what if anything, this is the three month long
34:34
Speaker 2: closure of Straight or Harboos have proved, you know, when
34:38
Speaker 2: you there's twenty billion barrels of oil per day that
34:42
Speaker 2: was coming out of Persian Gulf before the war started,
34:46
Speaker 2: before the Israel United States illegal war against Iran, and
34:50
Speaker 2: now it's done to what like four five million barrels
34:54
Speaker 2: a day. And again that that's that's not there's not
34:58
Speaker 2: not gonna be replacement, you know, like any kind of
35:02
Speaker 2: temporary opening and refilling the strategic oil reserve, that's just
35:09
Speaker 2: not gonna cut it. I mean right now that the
35:11
Speaker 2: only reason that this oil price hasn't reached one hundred
35:14
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars a barrel before the MoU was signed
35:19
Speaker 2: was because all throughout the world, United States, Europe, Japan,
35:23
Speaker 2: they have been releasing their strategic oil reserve. And now
35:26
Speaker 2: that that has been dangerously low there their strategic oil
35:32
Speaker 2: reserve have been depleted. But even if they get to
35:35
Speaker 2: fill it back up, say in a six month time,
35:41
Speaker 2: it would just bring us back right back to where
35:44
Speaker 2: we were before the MoU was signed. Again, like there's
35:48
Speaker 2: no replacement for twenty percent of the world's oil supply.
35:54
Speaker 2: I mean, like if there was, United States would have
35:58
Speaker 2: done it already. They wouldn't have to sign this humiliation,
36:01
Speaker 2: humiliating the surrendered document in Versailles.
36:06
Speaker 1: Uh huh. So uh, there's.
36:09
Speaker 3: A question for you again, I'm gonna go back to
36:12
Speaker 3: the same question. Maybe I wanted to start it with it,
36:15
Speaker 3: but now I want to know your own you know analysis,
36:21
Speaker 3: what do you think about the next step of this war?
36:25
Speaker 3: Because I think we're still in the midst of the
36:29
Speaker 3: war and this war hasn't finished yet, So I want
36:32
Speaker 3: to know what do you think about.
36:33
Speaker 1: This peace or pause?
36:37
Speaker 3: I want to know this, what do you think about it?
36:41
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if it's up to us or Israel,
36:46
Speaker 2: they would like to see your wrong fall. They would
36:50
Speaker 2: like to see a regime change in Iran, like they
36:52
Speaker 2: stated at the beginning of the war. But they can't
36:55
Speaker 2: do it. They don't have they don't have the resources,
36:58
Speaker 2: they don't have the means. Uh, it's plenty obvious now.
37:02
Speaker 2: If anything, this war has changed you wrong, from a
37:06
Speaker 2: regional power in West Asia to a world superpower which
37:09
Speaker 2: has a veto over twenty percent of the world supply
37:13
Speaker 2: of oil and gas. So, you know what, whether it's
37:18
Speaker 2: you know like how however it will long it takes
37:21
Speaker 2: us to achieve piece. United States is not the one
37:26
Speaker 2: that holding any cars here again, like they The fundamental
37:33
Speaker 2: problem again is they have they cannot challenge run in
37:36
Speaker 2: control of the straight homus straight homus. That that's that's
37:40
Speaker 2: that's the magic that's a magic word. You know. Ron
37:44
Speaker 2: get to decide whether that straighter homus will will stay
37:49
Speaker 2: open or close. And there's nothing United States or Israel
37:53
Speaker 2: can do about that. And if they if they're agreement
37:58
Speaker 2: incapable as they have been in the past, well guess what,
38:01
Speaker 2: the strados will be close again until they show up
38:06
Speaker 2: better behavior.
38:07
Speaker 3: So do you think that the hegemony of the United
38:10
Speaker 3: States is over? They're not that superpower anymore.
38:15
Speaker 2: I mean, the United States is no longer the hyper
38:18
Speaker 2: power you once was at the end of the Cold War.
38:22
Speaker 2: You know, there was a period, I think for about
38:24
Speaker 2: ten years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the
38:27
Speaker 2: United States was undisputed hyper power around the world. You know.
38:31
Speaker 1: The whole war.
38:34
Speaker 2: The recent war in Persian Gulf has showed that it's
38:39
Speaker 2: a a US empire is a paper tiger. The idea
38:44
Speaker 2: that somehow, by hosting United States basis on your soil,
38:47
Speaker 2: that will protect you, extend a United States security umbrella
38:52
Speaker 2: over you, it's all fantasy. If anything, hosting US basis
38:56
Speaker 2: make you a target. This is this, this realization is
39:01
Speaker 2: going to have a ripple effect throughout the world. You know,
39:04
Speaker 2: all the other countries not that now do have US
39:07
Speaker 2: bases on their soil now have to think twice about
39:10
Speaker 2: their security arrangement with United States. You know, whether they
39:16
Speaker 2: want they want they want to happen to them what
39:19
Speaker 2: happened to the GCC countries during the war. So yeah,
39:23
Speaker 2: I mean, like this is this, there has been a
39:26
Speaker 2: this is an uditary defeat other United States. It's it's
39:30
Speaker 2: quite clear.
39:32
Speaker 3: So do you think that we're gonna have this model
39:34
Speaker 3: of I mean the model of United States is like
39:36
Speaker 3: friends and enemies. They divide, you know, they you know,
39:40
Speaker 3: draw aligne. The people are my friends, these people.
39:42
Speaker 1: Are my enemy.
39:43
Speaker 3: Do you think that this is going to be over
39:45
Speaker 3: after you know, there's things that has happened right now,
39:48
Speaker 3: this model is going to be changed.
39:51
Speaker 2: The US US elite are infected with the mind virus
39:55
Speaker 2: of zero sum games. They believe in order for United
39:58
Speaker 2: States to succeed, everybody else must fail. You know, as
40:02
Speaker 2: long as they have that mind virus, the US will
40:07
Speaker 2: behave continue to behave like you always have. You know,
40:10
Speaker 2: he behaves like it's a global cop. But what we're
40:14
Speaker 2: gonna see is increasingly they're running into the serious resource constraint,
40:22
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're the US Empire is running into
40:24
Speaker 2: constraint of physics. They cannot throw their weight around all
40:29
Speaker 2: over the globe like they used to be. Uh you know,
40:32
Speaker 2: because because you know, us US Empire just not all
40:37
Speaker 2: you crack up to be anymore.
40:39
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah. Thank you so much for being with
40:42
Speaker 1: us today. Actually we're out of time.
40:47
Speaker 3: So we have to say goodbye to mister Carl.
40:50
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.