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Tigers Sign Framber Valdez · The 3-0 Take

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Out. It cost less than a Starbucks
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cup of coffee a month. That's it.
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Just about everything. What a deal.
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What a deal, JB. That's not supportive.
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Oh. Sorry, hold on.
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Hold on. What?
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No rewind. No, it's all right.
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In this economy, you're saying everything is cheaper than a
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Starbucks? Cup of coffee point.
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That's a very. Good .0 No, you're that's a
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slight. OK, it's.
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More of a jab at Starbucks. It was just a jab at Starbucks.
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I gotcha. I was.
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Really timed. Poorly timed.
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I was like. I was like, whoa, I was with
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Nate. I was like, not supportive, but
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I taking a jab at Starbucks. Well, dessert.
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I'm a Duncan guy, so take all the jabs you want.
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Boo. Starbucks stocks Speaking of
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Speaking of Duncan, let's talk about Framer Valdez.
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News just dropped before we hopped on, so great timing.
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Three-year, $150 million contract.
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And if you're sitting there still wondering the connection
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between Duncan and Framer Valdez, there is none.
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But let's talk about Framer Valdez.
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Pass and drop. The news on Twitter gets the
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highest to AAV ever for a left-handed pitcher, as well as
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the highest for a Latin American pitcher.
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For those keeping track at home. Do we like this fit Framber in
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Framber in Detroit? Do we like the 1-2 punch of
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Tarek Scubble and Framber Valdez?
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Do we think that this automatically means, And I'm
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sure by the time you're hearing this, we'll know already, but do
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we assume that this means Tarek Scubble lost his arbitration
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case or the Tigers lost the arbitration case?
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Look, we've talked about arbitration, dude.
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Like I don't think people understand that this goes to a
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courtroom and it is literally an arbitrator sitting in the middle
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and you're you're having a team lawyer.
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Arbitrator. Is it arbiter?
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Either way. Yeah, it's like a Terminator,
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but for arbitration. Terminator.
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And there's a lawyer on the team side that is basically telling
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Josh. Can you confirm that?
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Why? That player is not worth the
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dollar amount that they're asking for and they just pull
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out everything and it ruins relationships.
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That's the whole point. So when you see these updates of
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like, you know, a couple months ago of like, you know, team and
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player agree to a number to avoid arbitration, like avoiding
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arbitration is a good thing. It's a big deal.
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This is just crazy because it's rare to see a guy that, you
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know, we're talking about off air.
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That's like a late bloomer who is kind of deep but still in
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control. And he's also like very much in
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his prime. And it's every once in a while
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these types of players kind of pop up.
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So anytime you go to arbitration court, I think it's already a
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risk that that's relationship is over, you know, whether they
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agree, whether they lose, whether they win, you know,
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whoever. But like, it's also what's said
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in that courtroom, right? Like it's what that team lawyer
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is saying to try and settle for less money.
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So I would go ahead and assume that's probably done.
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And I don't care if they lost or won.
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I like the rotation. And while he's still a Tiger, I
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mean, that's nice dude. You got Flaherty in the three
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hole and some depth with like did Casey Mize start to figure
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some stuff out last year right, like?
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I'm rooting so hard for Casey Mize man.
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I want him to be good so bad. I know, I know.
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And we've seen, we've seen brilliance from Reese Olson.
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So right, if that, if that rotation can find it
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collectively, that's going to be a dangerous rotation.
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Yeah. It is a group of arbitrators,
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not arbiters. Good call though it there's
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there are slight differences between the two.
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What? What?
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A group of arbitrators? So what's a single one then?
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An. Arbitrator.
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It's still an arbitrator. Yeah, but MLB specifically the
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I, I there is a group. Not necessarily.
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Oh, present you mean? Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
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There's not just one, but it's got you.
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It's just salary disputes that they settle.
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And from from my understanding of what I'm reading, an
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arbitrator is a neutral third party to resolve disputes
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through formal blah blah, and arbiters A broader term for a
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person with authority to settle disputes.
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Less formal? Not necessarily.
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Yeah, I'm going to take it as a win.
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I'm That's a win. That's a win for the kid.
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Win for the kid for sure. Absolutely.
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There's they come that's few and far between, you know?
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It's also not just a not just a word thing.
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There are actually 2 two things, right?
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So it's not like do they call that this or do they call it
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that, but they're. Yeah, it's like Mayo or
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mayonnaise, you know, it's both can be, right.
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So arbiter is also a word. It is, yes, it is a word.
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It's just a different. Not a, Not a doesn't apply here.
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I'll still take that as a win so.
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That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
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They're that's what I'm saying. They're both words.
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Win, win, win. We all win for having
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successfully resolved the conflict.
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No, the Josh, I wanted to, I wanted to bring up a point
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because I don't know if you saw, but I actually just got around
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to posting the clip of you and I's conversation when, when Nate
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was out partying or whatever he was doing in his work, work
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conference, our conference or our conversation about Framberg.
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Because at that point, rumors were starting to pick up a
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little bit, some momentum was starting to pick up a little bit
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there. So I finally got around to
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posting that yesterday, last night, maybe two nights ago,
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talking about how you just can't brush the incident from this
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past season under the rug. I seem to have gotten a decent
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amount of pushback on that being like, no, the only reason that
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he's unsigned right now is the QO and I had to push back and be
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like, can it not be both? Like can it not be a situation
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because is it just because a guy has Aqo doesn't?
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Like guys with Q OS just don't go unsigned all the time Like
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that doesn't happen. But my point is, is this plays a
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huge or I thought it played a huge factor in his market or
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call it lack thereof. I don't know.
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And I would be curious to get your all's thoughts on whether
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or not you feel like that incident was a reason as to why
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his market got delayed this long?
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I think it kind of got blown out of proportion.
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I mean, I and I get it. I get that it's ugly.
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I get that it's like that is going to leave.
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It's probably going to cross some teams off the list.
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But is it any different than like, you know, throwing your
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teammate in a chokehold in in the dugout, you know, like we've
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seen? And I brought that up.
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Between teammates before, I think this is obviously one
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could argue maybe more of a dangerous attempt at set a
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quarrel, if you will, just dropping knowledge all over the
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place. I don't know.
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I don't think it I mean, it's he's still really good and you
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know, like you, it's it's not like he's the first troublesome
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player that's out there and up for grabs.
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Like there's there's names, you know, forever, as in all of
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sports that exists where you're like, does this fit our culture?
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Are we willing to sacrifice, you know, continuity in the
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clubhouse for more skill on the field?
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You know comedy. Big words, I'm telling you.
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He's Who are you good? Who are you and what did you do
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with Nate? I think that there was more to
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this. I think that's why it ended up
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being a three-year deal and not something else.
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He could have gotten a lot more than this.
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I also think that the talent is so good that there was no way
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that somebody wasn't going to let that.
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But I said I wasn't going to bring it up.
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But it is interesting. The Pirates were never going to
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sign Framer Valdez. Let's just say that, OK?
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But the Pirates have employed the former pitching coach in
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Houston and they were a team this week where they said this
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team is interested. No, don't do that.
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Don't do that. They never had a chance.
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The point is, is they were interested and they had a former
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pitching coach of his on their team, right?
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And that's the only reason I bring this up.
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Who did he end up going to? AJ Hinch and the Tigers,
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somebody who's familiar with him.
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So when you talk about the two teams that that were in the news
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this week of saying aggressively going after it, even though we
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all know he was never going to Pittsburgh, they are.
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They are teams with a former coach of his who doesn't have
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maybe the same questions that somebody who doesn't know him
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might have. Sure.
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You were building that up. You had me thinking, yeah, a
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piece of crap human being going to play for a piece of crap
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human being. That's where I thought you were
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going with that. Oh.
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That's not where else. I'm glad.
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Well, you're, you're like, Oh yeah.
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Who who's he going to play for? AJ?
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Right. No.
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I see the connection. I see the connection.
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There is a familiarity of of guys that did know him that do
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know him and they were willing to go out and get this done.
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So I think that while there were teams that were nervous about
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this and I don't think that the that the catcher cross up is the
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only thing that's what and maybe maybe just this process has
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telling us that there's more to that.
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And we heard about, I talked about it on the other show, that
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he's got a 25 minute video where only 5 of it is baseball
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highlights and the other 20 minutes is trying to convince
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people he's all right. I got to watch that.
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I still haven't gotten around to watch.
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Is it out there? I'm very what?
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Oh, is this just something that was reported?
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Is it not like, yeah, they this is just what they're passing
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around internally to others? Presenting this to teams.
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Oh, OK, This is just like a pitch.
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I don't. Know that that that it's out
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there. That would be fantastic.
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I thought this was just like a Framer Valdez YouTube account
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and he's just like, hey guys, just so you know, I'm actually
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not 1/2 bad guy. That would be fantastic.
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All right. I feel like, last note, I feel
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like the Orioles once again kind of poop down their leg when it
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came to the free agency pitching market.
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So. There's a note there.
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Moving on. Great.
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Great move for the Tigers though.
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Yeah, love the rotation, softish landing.
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I don't know, there's an opt out, right?
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There's an opt out after the second year and there is some
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deferrals. I haven't seen what they are
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yet, but there are there are some.
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There's some deferred money. Opt out after the second year.
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Second year's smart too, because there might not be a 2027 so you
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might as well get paid. What it can, Can you remind me
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what the contract structure is for Alonzo's contract?
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It's not possible he's gone after this year.
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Is it? Because I was going to say, you
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mentioned you mentioned missing out on framework for the OS and
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it had me thinking like, well, you can't after after going out
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and getting Alonso, you can't say they're entirely allergic to
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bringing in the big name. But if if it's one of these
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Corbin burns opt out situations again, then I can't give I can't
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even give them that credit. So I I need reminded on on what?
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He no opt outs. No opt outs, and that's for 535.
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Five years 155 No opt outs limited, no trade clause.
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OK. But again, maybe I'm not.
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We already made the point. I can't say that like the
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Orioles completely missed if if they feel like that's not the
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fit for them specifically based on, you know, that incident.
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And maybe it's a little bit of like a, you know, cancer to
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their culture. Like, I get that.
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But at the same time, it just kind of felt like that was the
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last name. They've already had a great
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offseason. I feel like they're making
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strides and it's just this just felt like a a miss.
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Based on their needs, but like you said, you take into account
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the other factors and might might have not been.
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But that issue, that issue was there before he was the last big
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fish, you know what I mean? Like, we knew that already.
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So like, why didn't they go get someone else?
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Eugenio Suarez Next up on our lists one year deal with the
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Cincinnati Reds. I'm Josh.
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Were you and I talking about this before we hopped on?
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I'm glad he didn't end up in Boston.
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Improving the defense was one of the team's biggest needs that
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they were claiming. So if you're going to get rid of
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Rafael Devers and ultimately, I mean, I know obviously Bregman,
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but if, if Suarez is in that pipeline, what what are we
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really, what are we really saying there?
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Not to make this about the Red Sox, but I, I just know that
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talking about, you know, going back to how certain teams are
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tied to certain guys. The Sox were one of those as
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were the Pirates actually. Let's go Pirates.
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But alas, does not end up with either of those ends up back in
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Cincinnati with a little reunion. 15,000,000 did already
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mention mutual option for the 2027 season.
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Side note a mutual option has not been picked up by any Major
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League Baseball player since the year 2014.
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Name that player. Oh, I actually don't know.
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I just heard somebody saying that.
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Do you know it? No, that's why I'm telling you
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guys to name that player. I've got some great pulls.
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I've had some good pulls over the years, but I don't have
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that. Can I throw out a name and just
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see how far? See how close or how far?
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This is kind of like a little impromptu trivia.
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The last player to pick up a mutual option back in 2014.
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Give me like a Give me like a Lorenzo Kane.
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I don't think I have it, but what I do have, as far as what
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I've searched for, one example is before the 2013 season.
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Oh, it says 20/13/2014 either way.
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Yeah, OK, Maybe this is it. It's the Colorado Rockies, and
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it's Matt Belial, the how you say it, Belial Classic.
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Yep. That's the last player.
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Close. Lorenzo Kane was close.
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Jason Giambi 1,000,000 for 2012. As a guardian Indian, what was
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he back then? How?
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Close was your guest, Nate. I didn't have one because I knew
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it was going to be stupidly off like yours.
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Well, that's kind of the fun, you know, that's, that's, that's
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the fun of it. Cleveland, yes.
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Gino Suarez I think this just goes to show you our game is
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shifting back to the to the what baseball is man like.
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Please explain. Defence put the ball in play.
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Like I, I understand your immediate threat of 40 plus
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bombs, but like, let's, let's get, you know, let's focus on
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our guys that can provide more than one dimension.
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And I think that's what the market kind of told, told us
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about Gino. Then he very well could go out
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and do the same thing. Like I wouldn't be surprised if
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he throws up another 40 and hits 240-5250.
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You know, like I wouldn't be surprised if he did that.
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He's familiar there. It's probably why I think that's
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why he chose the pirates from what I read.
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Or it chose the Reds over the Pirates was just familiarity and
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and being in that stadium and, you know, being able to, you
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know, be it a prove it deal and kind of pump up some numbers a
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little bit. But I think it just goes to show
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you that like for the value, you know, of like the number that he
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got and and the contract overall just I think goes to show you
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that like there's a shift happening in baseball.
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There's there's value in a guy that you know, strikes out less,
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puts a ball in play, runs into maybe 25 or 30 instead of that
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4550 threat and can also bring at least league average defense,
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which he just doesn't do so. Averaging 3.3 or a season in his
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last Four Seasons. Above average hitter even a 126
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OPS plus despite only having a 298 on base.
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Maybe I overshot it with the 240 batting average then.
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Well, I mean, it's he had 228, but he was 256 the year before
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that. And and to your .30 home runs,
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not 49. Yeah, you can.
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You can bet on 30 from him. But playing in Cincinnati, 35.
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I also don't blame. 8090 I don't blame.
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The fall off in Seattle, like it's just there's certain
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hitters that don't do well. It's it's well known that that
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is an extremely difficult ballpark to see the ball in.
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There's guys that just don't do well there.
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And, and he wanted to go back there.
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And that's the thing that I never got.
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That was his. That was his desirable place.
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Yeah, and that was his worst time offensively.
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Going back to your point about the shift in the game, it's not
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a fair comparison, but it goes back to the point I've made
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before where I said to me, and some people might disagree, to
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me, Bobby Witt Junior is like the quintessential.
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I think he's the model, yeah. Like that, that skill set, that
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that tool set, I mean that like he he he does everything.
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And that's such an attractive, you know, option to have as a
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franchise. And that's why I to your point,
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I think a guy like Unio Suarez, everybody wants to keep saying,
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well, he could put up potentially 50 for you.
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He could put up 50. It's like, but what like OK, and
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and I know some teams, Josh, like you, like we were talking
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about before we hopped on right team like the Pirates, they
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would love that and they wouldn't care if it's a if it's
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a single dimension player like Eugenio Suarez.
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And that's totally fine. Like some, some certain players
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like this fit the bill for certain teams like that.
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But if you're, if there are options on the table, Eugenio
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Suarez is not going to be the first name that you're calling
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because it's like, OK, 3540 and then what?
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Yeah, yeah. And like, not at all a fair
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comparison either. But like, you look at like what
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a Cody Bellinger's market looked like throughout, you know, free
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agency it you're talking multiple positions, you're
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talking, you know, put the ball in play, get on base.
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There's athleticism involved. I think, I think the game's just
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shifting. There's always going to be those
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those guys that have BOP and you're like, you know, we're
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always going to be attracted to the home run.
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And there's definitely places for that.
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But when you're talking about maybe, you know, not having a
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2027 season and, you know, you kind of want to see what maybe
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someone in house can provide over a, you know, 15 to $20
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million paycheck. It's like, I think we know what
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Gino Suarez is. So like it's, I'm curious to see
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how the market, you know, looks moving forward for some of these
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other comparable names. Can I just sprinkle in though?
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I mean, when you talk Bobby Witt Junior, you're talking about the
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superstar on any team. Sure, which is also why I said
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not a fair comparison. Right.
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And so I think there I think there will still be a place for
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guys like this. It, it just goes back to, I
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guess the further push your, your point here, Nate, is
24:38
baseball teams have to be a baseball team.
24:40
You've got to have all different kinds of guys on it.
24:43
I mean, this show talks about a couple different one-dimensional
24:46
players. One of them hits home runs.
24:48
The other one is touting that they lead everyone in singles.
24:53
You know what I'm saying? So like there's, there are
24:56
still, there is still room for players that do all sorts of
25:00
like 1 dimensional things. But This is why his market
25:04
instead of getting three years and 60, This is why he ended up
25:07
with one year 15. Any man, dude, he's like it.
25:11
Best case scenario is a Nelson Cruz, you know what I mean?
25:13
And then worst case scenario, you're getting, you know, just
25:19
someone kind of fading into. The back half of their career.
25:22
Here's the comp for you. Backyard baseball.
25:25
Eugenio Suarez's skill balls. All in hitting, all in power.
25:33
Yeah, nothing else. Yeah, and he signed to be ADH in
25:36
Cincinnati, so even for him, smart move.
25:44
Speaking of the Mariners, Brendan Donovan picked up by the
25:51
Mariners in a three team trade. Didn't this happen like right at
26:01
the time of something else? Didn't something happen because
26:07
I thought Passen was the one that dropped it?
26:09
I thought there was something. Maybe I'm misremembering.
26:13
Probably Josh, tell me about this, this three team trade.
26:21
What do I what do I need to know about this three team trade?
26:25
Brendan Donovan to the Mariners from Saint Louis.
26:30
Brendan Williamson. Sinte sinte.
26:38
Hold on, I'll get you that yeah. Ben Williamson from the Mariners
26:44
to Tampa Bay, those were the, those were the ones that were
26:47
the 1, essentially one move. And the Cardinals just get a ton
26:55
of stuff going at the Mariners send.
26:58
Yeah, I was going to look up a Saint Jesus, Sanja Sanju, maybe
27:07
Sanju. His nickname is Lou.
27:11
So they're sending Lou and Ty Pete and a competitive round
27:19
pick #68 overall. And the Rays send Colton
27:24
Ledbetter and a comp pick to the Cardinals.
27:26
So like, there's a lot going to the Cardinals here.
27:30
Yeah, this could be one of those deals where a couple of years
27:33
goes by and you're like, what? You know, some some name pops
27:38
out of it and it's like, how did this happen?
27:39
You know, I like, I like the fit.
27:45
I like Brendan Donovan. Is he going to play third for
27:47
them? Is that what they're saying?
27:52
I don't really know. Their their whole infielders are
27:54
lefties, by the way. Yeah.
27:58
Which is interesting, but I do like him.
28:03
I mean, he's he's, I think he can kind of go in different
28:09
roles. You know what I mean?
28:10
You can throw him up at the top of the order.
28:11
You can kind of put him down in the in the bottom of the order
28:14
and have him flip out, flip it over.
28:15
I mean, he's going to hit, you know, 280 and have a 12130 OPS
28:23
plus and have a bunch of double S.
28:26
I don't know how he grades defensively at 3rd if that is
28:29
the case and they have some young names.
28:33
I mean, I'm curious if maybe they play second and he play
28:37
second and there's another move to be made.
28:39
I don't, I don't really know. It seems like they still have
28:41
like a ton of pitching depth that they could move off of a
28:45
guy and go get a third baseman and keep Brendan on him in
28:49
there. But I think there's who's that
28:51
young cat that they have that. Cole Young.
28:53
Yeah, that they're going to have to eventually let him kind of
28:57
play and and see what they got there.
28:59
But I like it. I mean, the look the the
29:02
Mariners, you know, saw issues with their lineup and they
29:06
solved it at the deadline last year.
29:08
They're continuing to solve in the offseason.
29:10
Like good for the Mariners, dude.
29:11
They're, they're moving in a, in a, in a good direction and
29:15
they're moving at like a, a middle market team pace.
29:20
And it's realistic. And it's something that like, if
29:23
your team fits that bill, you kind of hope that this is a
29:27
similar blueprint to follow. Sorry, I was trying to figure.
29:34
Out. I wasn't listening to the last
29:36
four minutes of our conversation, JB.
29:38
So I yeah, I will say. Guys, can I clock?
29:40
No, sorry, I was clocked in on trying to figure out what I was
29:44
thinking about when I was. Trying to pronounce Sonjo or
29:47
whatever his. Name.
29:48
No, no, I was really good. Remember when I was like, didn't
29:51
something happen like right at the same time?
29:54
The three team trade thing got me thinking It was it was back.
29:58
It was when the Kyle Tucker news dropped because there is a three
30:04
team trade between the this was the Gavin Lux trade and this
30:08
happened I think like seconds before or after the Kyle Tucker
30:12
news dropped and it it had me thinking of that not the same
30:17
thing I do yeah. That was going to kill me if I
30:20
could not figure it out. You're.
30:21
Justified, you're good. Way better way.
30:23
Better. So, yeah, Fan Graphs has Cole
30:26
Young right now as their second baseman.
30:28
Brendan Donovan is their third baseman.
30:30
But what's really good about this is if Cole Young is not
30:33
getting it done, they have one of the top prospects in their
30:37
minors, Colt Emerson, who is a shortstop third baseman who
30:42
could also come up. And so they've got a little bit
30:44
of leeway here. Those are the 2022 and 2023
30:48
first round picks for Seattle, both of them pick #22 in those
30:52
drafts. And so they've got two guys
30:54
right there that they're willing to get run and, and Donovan is
30:58
flexible to play either of those.
31:00
He hasn't played a lot of third, but it's actually as far as
31:03
defensive run save goes, it's his best position.
31:05
I was also thinking of Master Bony.
31:10
That is not how you pronounce that.
31:12
Yeah, it is. No shot.
31:15
Yeah, it is. Master Bony.
31:20
Yeah. Are you?
31:22
You live under a rock. It's it's, it's like mastrobony,
31:28
but yeah, mastrobony. My nose is stuffed, that's all.
31:35
That's it. Baseball Reference does not have
31:39
a a. Master.
31:41
Yeah, no, it's not masterbony. That sounds I.
31:47
I could go. Sounds bad even.
31:48
I could go any sort of direction or that.
31:50
Is what it is, Guy? I didn't name him.
31:53
It's definitely not master Bony, I know that much.
31:56
That's. I got allergies.
31:57
I got allergies going right now. That's the other name I was
32:01
thinking of, but but it's still just a bunch of lefties.
32:04
There's a lot of lefties. Miles.
32:10
That's it. That's all I got on that.
32:13
I don't really know anyone else in the trade.
32:14
So I'm sure the Rays got some freaking stud out of it, because
32:18
they always do. I'm glad you mentioned stud
32:23
because you know who is 1? Jacob Wilson, and he got paid,
32:31
You know, all things considered, given the circumstances, 7
32:37
years, $70 million extension includes a club option for an
32:42
eighth season. I'm I tell you what, I couldn't
32:49
be more thrilled for my Sacramento A's of Oakland,
32:57
pending Las Vegas. I couldn't be more thrilled.
33:02
They've got a solid core and I'm very excited about all of it.
33:10
Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't have taken this deal if I was
33:13
him. It's hard to say.
33:18
Here we go. Don't say that in front of Josh.
33:21
Josh is going to say I would have.
33:23
I would have taken 40,000. No.
33:28
I would be in the big leagues for 40K all day.
33:31
If they're paying, If they're paying.
33:35
OK, maybe I overshot, maybe I overshot, maybe I overshot.
33:40
Now that's an interesting question.
33:41
What's the lowest amount of money you would take to play in
33:43
the big leagues realistically? I mean, does it automatically
33:46
mean I'm good enough I or do I have to go?
33:48
Well, you're in the big. Leagues.
33:50
No, I mean, you're there like you can hang like you're,
33:52
you're, you're still like tributing.
33:54
League minimum Let's. See, I would take way less.
33:59
I would play. I would probably.
34:00
Yeah, no, I don't even need league minimum.
34:02
I would probably pay for free knowing that like the, they do
34:06
the partial pension thing. And if I, if I make it like five
34:11
years or six years or whatever and I'm end up getting paid like
34:14
150 K for the rest of my life, I'm in.
34:18
I'll play for free during my, during my, my window.
34:21
You know what I mean? I'm a team guy.
34:23
I want you to spend that money elsewhere.
34:24
I don't think I knew that was a thing.
34:26
The partial pension is it what? Triggers it five.
34:29
I think there's a JB could correct me on this.
34:31
It's 10 years for Max out. I think it I think it's 250K per
34:36
year for life plus benefits. But they are the only league
34:41
that I think does partial pension.
34:44
So you can do 3-4 five years of service and you'll get like a
34:47
percentage of that overall payout.
34:49
So you know of a guy only four or five years, he probably ends
34:52
up still making like 80 or 90 KA year, not playing.
34:57
The only league that does that. I don't think any other league
35:00
does that. It might be more confusing than
35:03
that. This says that partial pension
35:07
is earned with a minimum of 43 days of service time, but then
35:10
it continues to move up. Right.
35:13
So it's more confusing than that, but yeah.
35:16
There's some kind of equation that gets to that point, but you
35:19
still make. Interesting.
35:20
I I don't think I even knew that.
35:22
Yeah. Pretty 10 years is when you vest
35:24
that's. What I was looking.
35:26
For 280,000 plus annually. Sick dude, what were you talking
35:32
about? Oh.
35:33
So yeah, the only reason I said league minimum is because I
35:38
would assume that you have to make league minimum so.
35:41
I would, I would you? Know sure the Dodgers will.
35:44
Find a way around that at some point, but yeah, we're.
35:48
Only giving him 50 bucks but we've deferred the rest of it.
35:52
Oh, shots fired. I just feel like he probably
35:58
could have made more. I mean I get the you know, you
36:01
buy out pre ARB years and don't have to deal with arbitration,
36:06
but I just feel like by the time arbitration was going to start
36:08
coming around he'd be worth more than 10 million a year in my
36:11
mind. So just to give you that
36:13
breakdown, first year of arbitration, four and a half
36:16
million, which is pretty good. That's a little bit above like a
36:21
normal player, but he's already good.
36:24
Second year of arbitration, 9 million that doubled.
36:27
That doesn't happen all the time. 3rd year in arbitration,
36:30
12 million, which is a decent third year of arbitration.
36:36
It's two free agent years and this is where it starts to get a
36:39
little bit interesting. 17 and 19,000,000.
36:42
The money's going to be different then.
36:44
That's going to look like a big bargain at that point.
36:47
But at this point it looks like we don't really know what kind
36:52
of player he's going to be. You give him a little bit of a
36:55
discount in order to sign in order to get the 33 or 70
36:59
million. But also his club option in 33
37:03
is a $2,000,000 buyout, but it's a $26 million contract.
37:07
So when you look at the numbers in those times, like he's he's
37:12
paid pretty fairly. I mean, he's not going to hit
37:15
you 30 homers, 1719 million dollars.
37:19
Yeah, that's a pretty fair contract, plus it's guaranteed.
37:26
And like Josh says, his his great, great, great, great,
37:31
great grandchildren are set for life.
37:36
Exactly. Actually, probably, but this is
37:39
not anywhere near some of what. No, I I hear you.
37:43
I hear you. But apparently Paige's parents,
37:47
one of their friends, is daughters with the Wilsons.
37:51
Oh, I love that. Not to out anybody and then just
37:55
goes right into the story. Well, I'm not.
37:57
I can out my in laws, but I'm not going to out like the
38:00
neighbors of the Wilsons. Can you give us their address?
38:04
I probably could. I've been to that house.
38:06
Something to work? With yeah, Social Security
38:08
number, I've seen the I've seen the Wilsons backyard before, no
38:12
big deal. But because his dad coaches at
38:15
GCU, not. Anymore.
38:17
Oh, for real? Wow.
38:18
Yeah. Does he still?
38:20
I didn't think he did it anymore.
38:22
I think he still does. Hold on, what?
38:25
We just know what Jacob Wilson's dad does.
38:28
It's Jack Wilson. Jack.
38:30
We know Jack. He knows.
38:31
We know Jack Wilson. Oh, true.
38:32
Yeah, yeah, I was going to. I was like, why is yeah, I was
38:35
like, why is Josh chiming in here being like, yeah, does he
38:37
still so just for. Just just for, also just to
38:41
think about this, Jacob Wilson's dad total in his career,
38:45
according to Baseball Reference, made $41 million.
38:49
So he just looked at his dad and said hold my beer.
38:52
Yeah, suck it, Dad. So he's now, he's now Jacob
38:55
Wilson's dad from from this point forward, then, I guess.
38:59
According to the money, absolutely.
39:01
Yeah, I think that was out. I like that.
39:03
I like that. Don't cheat KC, we have 578
39:10
career at bats. Tell me the result of the 1st
39:14
570. How many strikeouts?
39:19
I mean, it's something stupid. It's like it's like 24.
39:26
Or at 153 games, 49 strikeouts. 49 strikeouts.
39:32
At 20. At 39 last year.
39:36
Yeah. 800 OPS, the Slugs at 4:44.
39:40
I don't know how much that, you know, Sacramento Ballpark plays
39:43
into that, but. But he'll grow into a little bit
39:48
more of that. Double S.
39:52
By the way, that's that's a 7.5 strikeout rate.
39:58
Legit dude, it's all about the shift.
40:00
It's all about the shift in baseball.
40:03
Here for it here. For it shoot man, I had a
40:10
perfect transition set up, but we got to talk about Luis Arise,
40:14
which is. Fine banjos.
40:18
Speaking of banjos. We know that term, right?
40:24
Banjo hitter. Oh, I thought you were just
40:28
trying to pull a fast one on us, Josh.
40:30
I, I, I thought maybe I could get you on the banjo hitter
40:33
term. You don't know that.
40:36
Nate, you were with us last week.
40:38
Two weeks like a base hitter. No, I got you.
40:40
I got you, Luis Rios. One year?
40:47
Do we know the money on this? 12 million. 12 with the Giants.
40:55
I'm all done with Lisa Rice. I kind of am too.
40:58
Yeah, if I'm bad defense, bad base runner, what do we I mean?
41:04
The novelty of the. You're just plugging up the
41:06
bases. Yeah, you get knocks, but it's
41:09
like you're not, you're not able to help in any other way.
41:11
You're just in the way. Yeah, the novelty, no
41:15
disrespect, but the novelty of just like how many hits to
41:19
strikeouts kind of deal like it's just I'm over it.
41:23
It's it's it was cool at first. It's like wow man, this guy just
41:27
freaking and. He's going to play second for
41:29
them. He's turned, he turned down some
41:33
other offers in order to go there because it was an
41:37
opportunity at second base. Which second because?
41:41
1st, I'm pretty sure I saw something of like -35 defensive
41:48
runs saved in his career at that, at that position.
41:51
So he's what, like half? What is he like halfway to
41:53
Jeter, 1/5 of the way to Jeter? Sorry, it's just synonymous with
41:59
negative DRS. I'm sorry, it's.
42:02
Way uncalled for comparing him to a first ballot Hall of Famer.
42:07
So yeah. What's happening here?
42:13
I told you it's going to be off the rails, so that's been off
42:15
the rails. I should have left after I
42:19
dropped my word of the day continuity.
42:22
What's the word by the? Way in 2024 he had 200 hits, he
42:27
hit over 340 and he was 28th in the league and on base
42:33
percentage. So what happened last year you
42:38
can hit but well, I did that because he had a better year in
42:41
24, yeah, but yeah, last year it was 292.
42:48
So is is on basis 3327 there? Yeah, and now you're just kind
42:54
of chubby and slow and in the way.
42:56
Yeah, but the but the you look at Eugenio Suarez, the
43:00
comparisons like OK, they're both 1 dimensional players.
43:02
I'll take. That dimension over this, yeah.
43:05
Like no brainer and you know, is we're not saying anything ground
43:08
breaking here, but it's just, it's worth clarifying because
43:12
people here like, well, there's a bunch of 1 dimensional players
43:15
around the league. It's like, well, different, you
43:18
know, each, each dimension has different value and what the the
43:22
dimension that Luis Haraiz brings to the table, it's not
43:26
worth that much. I don't mind good base hitters,
43:31
but ultimately how did you, I don't care how you got on base,
43:35
just get on base. Yeah.
43:38
But when I think if I can hit a hit for average guy, I like, I
43:41
like a gap to gap guy. I like a guy that's going to get
43:44
on second base. But if you're just slapping
43:46
singles through the like through the opposite field like.
43:49
Gold Glove defense if you're, if you're going to, you know what I
43:52
mean, like. Or just league average?
43:54
Or yeah, or good, good defense, yeah.
43:56
Like, like Jacob Wilson isn't isn't a Gold Glover, I don't
43:59
think. But his defense is at least
44:02
fine. But yeah, but he what did you
44:04
say? 30 something double S, 20 high
44:07
20s something. For well arise has 30 double SA
44:10
year for the last four years 31303230 so.
44:14
I know, but compare, I'm talking about the comparison to Jacob.
44:17
Like he's going to be doing a lot more than.
44:20
So there's. A. 100% margin there.
44:23
But yeah, I'm All in all, I'm over the Louis rise.
44:27
Let me throw you this. Let me just let's see if there's
44:30
any weight to this and I don't know that I believe this.
44:31
I'm just asking you get you guys going on this San Francisco's a
44:36
bigger park might fit him a little bit better.
44:39
Last time he was hitting 350 was back in Miami with a little bit
44:42
of more of an outfield out there.
44:45
If he's if he's confident he can get better at 2nd a one year
44:50
deal like this go out there and prove it.
44:53
I don't know is there anything like kudos to him like best case
44:56
he plays better at 2nd and gets more.
44:59
Yeah, but what is? He's just ADH moving.
45:01
Forward, But wouldn't this be his best case?
45:04
Is playing in a massive ballpark where you can get away with that
45:08
you like? I don't know.
45:09
You could see like a three-year deal in Colorado and he could go
45:12
out there and lead the league in hitting every year.
45:16
If he can play second base at league average.
45:19
If he can prove he can do that, I don't know.
45:24
I just don't know. How old is he?
45:25
I think he's. 20 He'll be 29 in May.
45:29
I think I'm just more confused with what Buster is doing.
45:34
I think there was more talent at, you know, you had Tyler
45:37
Fitzgerald in the conversation, you had Casey Schmidt in the
45:40
conversation. And it's like, why are we?
45:42
Were they linked to Donovan at all?
45:44
I. Don't know.
45:45
I don't know. I'm just, I'm kind of confused
45:48
as to why you wouldn't want to get like Tyler Fitzgerald.
45:50
I thought, you know, before Willie Adamus was there was kind
45:54
of like their main option. Sure.
45:55
And I know these aren't Buster's guys and that's probably why
45:58
he's moving on. But it's just like, I don't
46:01
know, I'm all done with Luis Rice.
46:05
Speaking of being all done, see, I, I picked it.
46:08
I, I I I missed out on my transition prior to segue to
46:15
Luis Rice, but I. Maestro segue or?
46:18
I've I was granted a gift. I was given a gift of another
46:24
segue. Speaking of being all done,
46:27
Speaking of moving on, hit the road.
46:31
Jordan Hicks, no disrespect, although some because you were
46:34
kind of cheeks for us and I, I didn't appreciate your services.
46:37
But the White Sox acquire Jordan Hicks via trade with the other
46:43
Sox for David Sandlin. Josh, don't ask me how I feel
46:50
about losing David Sandlin because friendly don't really
46:54
care and I'm just being completely honest.
46:58
The the bonus here is get a rid of Jordan Hicks.
47:08
Was he that bad? He was terrible and it's just an
47:14
it's an added layer to the Raphael Dever saga because he
47:17
was part of the return and it just makes it look that much
47:19
worse. One of.
47:20
The 21 games pitched for the Red Sox 820 ERA.
47:25
Whoa. Is that good, Nate?
47:26
Is that? Good 1.98 whip.
47:31
Whoa, yeah, not good. Good dad, good move.
47:34
Good move getting Devers out of there.
47:36
Well, I mean that that's what I'm saying.
47:38
Like it's that was the that was the immediate response is like
47:42
really the one of the is it kind of goes back to the Mookie thing
47:46
with by the time it was all said and done, we pretty much didn't
47:48
have anybody left of the Mookie trade.
47:51
But with this, it's like you're going to ship them out.
47:54
It's like, well, I'm not going to buy into the whole sunk cost
47:58
thing. Like he's he's bad.
47:59
So let's get him off the team. I don't care that he was part of
48:02
the return for Rafael debris. He's not good.
48:05
So let's cut our losses and ship them to Chicago.
48:10
Going back to Chicago. And there's more pieces in
48:17
Boston from that trade, right? Yeah, Kyle.
48:21
Kyle Harrison. Kyle Harrison, is TIB still
48:24
there? I want to say yes.
48:31
Jose Baio, any relation? No.
48:35
Yeah. I'm excited to see what Harrison
48:39
can do. I liked him for a a spot
48:44
starting fantasy here and there. Goes a long way.
48:49
Goes a long way in my book. Yeah.
48:53
So we'll see full. Trade included three players to
48:56
be named later. Did you notice?
48:57
I saw that, Yeah, yeah. Two of them going from Boston to
49:00
Chicago, another one coming back.
49:03
Yeah. Odds on one of those guys being
49:06
the same guy? I've seen that happen before.
49:10
The same guy. Player to be named later gets
49:13
sent to one team and then they never really fulfilled it but
49:16
they sent the guy back. I think I've seen that before.
49:21
This is news to me. I didn't know that.
49:22
We don't have to go down that path.
49:24
I just cool you can go wherever you want.
49:26
Good for the White Sox, man. Making moves, doing something?
49:30
No. Not good for the you're just
49:33
you're adding slop to your staff.
49:36
Speaking of slop, no disrespect. Speaking of slop, tell you who's
49:40
not slop, Clayton Kershaw, Joey Votto and Anthony Rizzo being
49:46
added. I don't know.
49:49
I mean, it's official right at this point.
49:51
I saw it was reported but I don't know if they've signed if
49:53
they put pen to paper yet. But set to join the NBC crew for
49:58
2026 TV coverage. That's a monster right there.
50:04
Do you? Think I feel like of the three I
50:10
feel like I'm a lean envato. Sound bite machine.
50:13
Yeah, yeah. And I love.
50:17
Rizzo. Yeah, Rizzo's great.
50:19
I feel like. Yeah, that'll be interesting.
50:23
Honestly, I'm surprised that he's even I know agreeing to do
50:26
that. Little kids just go home for a
50:28
bit man. Just just hang out for a SEC.
50:33
That's kind of what well, he did.
50:35
We even talk about the fact that he's joining.
50:38
He's he's with Team USA for the World Baseball Classic.
50:42
Did you see that? Yeah.
50:43
What is this role? I'm confused.
50:45
Is he going to? You think he's going to get on
50:47
the bump? I would love to see it.
50:50
I mean, we're going to. I need him to close it out.
50:52
Actually, that's what I want. Yeah, that'd be sick, but I
50:56
mean, we're going to dog walk Brazil.
51:02
I mean and even be able to field A-Team like.
51:04
And I mean Great Britain. Oh, sick jazz Chisholm.
51:09
Nice, great addition. Bunch of not a role as Chapman
51:14
though. Not a role as Chapman.
51:16
Not eligible for Great Britain. Turns out not British.
51:19
Turns out not British. Try another country.
51:22
I don't know what to tell you. And then who?
51:26
Who's the other one? Italy, I mean, can we get Kirsch
51:31
on the bump for one of those three, please, because you're
51:34
not putting in there against Mexico and you're not putting
51:37
him in there when he's when they're in Miami.
51:40
I what is happening? Is he going to get a full
51:44
inning? I don't how is this working?
51:47
How it is he still throwing bull pins?
51:52
I don't. That's a great question.
51:54
That's a great question. Yeah, yeah, you.
51:56
Can't just roll into that cold. You can't.
51:58
You can't just. Adam Otavino is also pitching in
52:03
the World Baseball Classic. And not for.
52:06
It's not for. No, no.
52:08
No, but he's, he's retired. So he's he's got his channel and
52:12
he's been going in there talking about how he's ramping up just
52:15
for WBC. Did we talk?
52:17
About that, I didn't know he was retired.
52:19
I don't remember if we talked about that at all.
52:21
I don't. I don't know why we would have
52:22
but. Who's he pitching for?
52:26
The Mets last right. Oh, the what country?
52:29
Oh, he's pitched for him before, is it?
52:31
I don't want to say it because then I think I'm going to be
52:35
wrong. It's not.
52:39
Canada is it? While you're, while you're
52:46
looking that up, did you see all the stuff with Puerto Rico, by
52:48
the way? Yeah.
52:50
That was that was scary for a SEC.
52:52
OK. Well, well, that was like that
52:54
was with the insurance, right? Yeah, yeah.
52:57
Well, they were about to like withdraw.
53:00
Yeah, which brings me back to Team USA, our sweet young Prince
53:06
still not on the roster. And that's that's concerning me
53:10
a little bit because we are a month out.
53:12
Got to clear medicals. Josh, just type in plenty of.
53:21
Yeah, so there is those rosters are set to do out do come to
53:26
come out this week. The final roster submission
53:30
February 3rd. So they are in now the
53:33
announcement date is tomorrow, February 5th.
53:36
Whenever you're listening to this, it's February 5th, 7:00 PM
53:40
MLB Network. So we'll know.
53:43
Stupid. I'm going to.
53:44
I'm going to lose my mind. If.
53:48
He's on it. If he's not on the roster, we
53:50
already missed him. We are.
53:51
We missed out last time he committed and we missed out.
53:57
We'll be fine. So Otto Vino pitch Italy, yes,
54:02
Italy, who he has pitched for before as well as pitching for
54:08
United States before. But he's been talking about his
54:17
on his YouTube. He's been talking about his ramp
54:20
up and his workouts and and throwing and everything, but I
54:23
don't believe he's pitching anymore.
54:28
Yeah, that's interesting. I want.
54:30
Yeah, that's a good question. I wonder what Kirsch is doing.
54:32
He's got to be. You can't, Yeah, you can't just
54:34
roll right into that. So he's.
54:35
Definitely pitched 3 games last year.
54:38
For the Mets, right? For the Yankees, 1.2 innings.
54:41
What? Mets in 2024.
54:46
One and two. Thirds 1 and 2.
54:47
Thirds innings with with the Yankees.
54:50
Well he's probably he only pitched in three games and only
54:52
got 5 outs, no runs during. That was probably my during my
54:57
small hiatus. When you went dark.
55:00
Yeah, four walks, 3 strikeouts. That checks out.
55:04
No runs. Yeah, there's typically a window
55:10
in June or July where I I stopped watching for a couple
55:15
days. That could have been that time.
55:19
Speaking of time, it's time. For Murray's Question of the
55:23
Week. Murray wants to know if your kid
55:27
or sibling was drafted to your favorite team's rival.
55:32
But the only way for them to have a full career, I'm going to
55:36
can I add to that, Murray? I'm going to go ahead and add to
55:38
that. The only way for them to have a
55:40
full, successful, healthy career is for you to switch your
55:45
loyalty to that team. Could you?
55:48
So again, the question is, if your kid or sibling was drafted
55:51
to your favorite team's rival, but the only way for them to
55:55
have a full, successful, healthy career is for you to switch your
55:59
loyalty to that team, could you? Are we, are we saying that
56:07
they're absolutely condemned to having a failure of a career if
56:12
I don't? It says the only way for them to
56:16
have a full successful healthy, so you have to assume that.
56:20
Like a, you know, like a like. A really good short.
56:23
Window with like just maybe 1 torn ACL mixed in like.
56:31
Full career, right, I think, I mean according to the
56:33
conversation we had earlier is that 10 years get vested for
56:36
that pension. Is that what a full career is
56:39
considered? I would.
56:43
We set the rules here, Murray's not here, so we have to set
56:46
those. Sibling.
56:49
No child. I'm going to say.
57:01
I'm more likely to do it for the child.
57:03
I'm trying to put my, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of
57:06
Mr. Schlittler, who known, right?
57:11
That's a Boston family, or at least a Massachusetts family,
57:14
big Red Sox family. I.
57:16
Don't know you're so obsessed with him.
57:17
I don't know. I know.
57:20
I'm simply just making a point, that guy.
57:22
Lives in some strange reserved spot in.
57:26
Your head. I don't think I've mentioned Kim
57:28
Schlittler once since October, but but sure, let's, let's yeah,
57:33
let's ride with that point, I guess.
57:35
Anyway, big, big Red Sox family. So I'm trying to think of what
57:41
it would, what it would look like to be actually that that's
57:46
the exact scenario right there. And they said they're like, oh,
57:51
yeah, we're big Yankee fan. No, you're not.
57:52
You're not big Yankee fans. You just you just don't make
57:58
that switch. I have one more question and.
58:01
I don't know if I could to be honest with you.
58:02
I don't know if I could. But it says it, it does say
58:06
switch. So you have to actually say I'm
58:10
no longer a fan of my favorite. It's not like I root for them
58:14
and I still root for my team. You have to actually switch.
58:18
I mean, either way, I'm going to say it, it's it, it's 100% yes.
58:22
I think it's even easy. I think that's easy.
58:25
You're a better man than we are, Josh.
58:27
I, I, I just think that if you're in that situation, like
58:30
we see it, we see it a lot. I think if you're in that
58:33
situation. Josh, no disrespect, who are we
58:36
switching to? Yeah.
58:38
Well, that's a good question. You guys have a bigger, I would
58:41
have a bigger rival than I do. Well, that's a valid.
58:44
Point What are you? Who are you switching?
58:46
To I would say the for me is my most hated team would probably
58:49
be would probably be the Cubs. I could see that.
58:58
See, that'd be a. That'd be an OK switch for me.
59:02
Well, yeah. So, well, that's why I'm asking.
59:04
Is this for you? Like is this contextualized
59:07
based on the team? Man, it's a cool franchise.
59:10
I, I, yeah, I would struggle. I really, really, really would.
59:16
I don't think I could do it. Sorry, kid.
59:19
Go to trade school. I asked Chad GBT for anybody
59:23
that cares who is the Pittsburgh Pirates most hated rival and it
59:25
says for the Pittsburgh Pirates the answer is pretty clear, the
59:28
Chicago Cubs. Jake Arrieta, soul to soul to
59:33
the devil to be good for a year and a half.
59:35
Said that said, Pirates fans will also mention the Reds,
59:39
especially due to this 1970s and the Saint Louis Cardinals.
59:44
That's weird, I would have they've.
59:45
Always been paired with the Cardinals.
59:48
The Cardinals are seem to be like the not right now, but seem
59:52
to be like the class of like you have to beat the Cardinals to
59:55
win the division. So that's normal.
59:58
The Brewers actually for a for a large run of the 20 teens, we
1:00:03
couldn't win against the Brewers.
1:00:06
So there's a lot of that. Ryan Braun, Carlos Gomez, that
1:00:09
kind of team was was hated. I would have picked them over
1:00:12
the Cubs. Then Gomez later it was the
1:00:15
Cubs. But like, the Reds are
1:00:17
interesting to me 'cause I live close.
1:00:20
ER, like, I live in between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh and my
1:00:24
favorite player ever is Kangaroo Junior.
1:00:25
He spent a lot of time with the Reds, so I don't have quite the
1:00:29
hate for the Reds that a lot of my of my fellow Pirates fans do.
1:00:36
That makes sense. Yeah, I guess.
1:00:37
I don't know why. I mean because of the state, but
1:00:40
I don't know why my mind immediately went to Philly, but
1:00:42
I. Guess when the Pirates were in
1:00:43
the East, Yeah, that absolutely was a big rival.
1:00:46
But that's that's so dated. Let's add a little caveat to
1:00:49
this. Let's take the Red Sox and
1:00:56
Yankees off the table, and let's go to like a secondary rival.
1:00:59
Like. The best for me.
1:01:03
Oh yeah. And what would you say for the
1:01:06
Red Sox? This makes me think of the.
1:01:10
Rivals. No, this makes me think of like
1:01:14
the rivals that it listed on the MVP 2005 game where it was like
1:01:18
the obvious one and then you're and they would always list 3 for
1:01:21
every team and it may you're sitting there going now how did
1:01:25
they arrive at this team? Like one of the teams for the
1:01:28
Red Sox was the Braves. And it's like, OK, are we really
1:01:32
just Boston Braves? Yeah, we just talking like a
1:01:35
trillion years ago. Is that how we arrived at this
1:01:37
conclusion? But anyway, I would probably
1:01:41
say. The JS, The OS.
1:01:49
Yeah, I'm just thinking. I feel like it would happen.
1:01:51
I guess the inner city thing is a difference, but other than
1:01:54
that I feel like it would have to be division.
1:01:58
Yeah, I don't even like the Mets as as an answer for the Yankees
1:02:01
like. That but it is it like in the
1:02:02
same city? So I do.
1:02:04
Get sure. But that just seems secondary
1:02:06
arrival. But it just seems so obviously
1:02:08
Big Brother, little brother situation like it.
1:02:11
It just doesn't even seem. And hey, I'm giving credit to
1:02:14
the Yankees there. I don't, I don't know.
1:02:17
I think the Mets are being harder.
1:02:18
I just switched to than the Red Sox.
1:02:20
For the Yankees, I feel like a team around the division would
1:02:24
be a much better fit for the Yankees rivalry than the Red Sox
1:02:27
rivalry, right? I mean, 'cause you guys, you
1:02:30
guys don't get all that, all that along with like the Ray or
1:02:34
who is it? Is it the?
1:02:35
Jays. The Rays had a little bit of a
1:02:37
window. I hate the Blue Jays.
1:02:40
I don't know. So what's?
1:02:44
Your answer you doing it or not. No, sorry kid, invest that
1:02:53
signing bonus because your career is going in the toilet.
1:02:57
Yeah, I don't. Frankly, I don't know that I
1:02:59
could. That would just be so weird.
1:03:01
You're. Going to have to risk it, you
1:03:04
know? Yeah, let's just roll the dice.
1:03:06
Hopefully it's just like a minor.
1:03:08
Yeah, right. We're getting this removed like
1:03:13
what do? What do you do?
1:03:14
No, 10 years, 10 years, you you show it off again once that
1:03:19
career is over. Long sleeves, that's all.
1:03:22
Once that career is over, you show it off again.
1:03:24
You go right back. I look, look, I can support the
1:03:29
kid, the the sibling, whatever, but I don't, I don't have to
1:03:34
like switch allegiances and I get the, the, the, the crux of
1:03:39
the question is, it's the only way that they basically have a
1:03:43
full career. I think it would be harder for a
1:03:45
sibling, but I mean, you guys, you guys know that that Jake and
1:03:49
I are pretty close. I think if he made it for any
1:03:51
team, yeah, I'd be all in. My thing is, though, is I would
1:03:55
just root for both teams. So that's where I would get
1:03:57
caught up is like, no, you have to turn your back on your team
1:03:59
like. Yeah, I.
1:04:01
Don't know if I can do it man. That would be the harder part.
1:04:04
Makes me feel slimy just thinking about it.
1:04:07
Listen, if it was easy to turn my back on my team, I'd have
1:04:10
done it. That's true.
1:04:12
I have every reason to. Yeah, I.
1:04:13
Was going to say Josh is just looking for the out.
1:04:16
Let's just say no so we can pass this podcast down to the next
1:04:20
generation, you know, I mean. There you go.
1:04:23
Pass it on to the kids. Pass it on.
1:04:27
Yeah. Is it time?
1:04:29
For if they're if they're busy playing.
1:04:31
Yeah. You guys ready?
1:04:33
Yeah, let's do. Let's do some trivia.
1:04:36
All right, you're only going to be required to pick two players
1:04:40
in this trivia, and if you want to go further if you kill it, we
1:04:44
can. But let's start with two.
1:04:46
It's one thing we didn't talk about is Carlos Santana signed a
1:04:50
one year deal with the Diamondbacks yesterday.
1:04:55
He's going to be 40 this April and he's going to play first
1:04:59
base for the Snakes. That is his ninth team in 17
1:05:04
seasons. Name the other 40 plus year olds
1:05:08
to play first base. No, he's 11 years with
1:05:12
Cleveland, three different stints.
1:05:13
He's never played with anyone long, anyone else longer than a
1:05:16
year and a half. I thought that was interesting.
1:05:20
Since 1995, there's 38 players who've played for 10 or more
1:05:26
franchises. Two of them.
1:05:30
Two of them have. Two of them have played for the
1:05:39
most teams and Kyle has already gotten 1.
1:05:44
Edwin Jackson, 14 teams. There's one other guy who's
1:05:48
played for 14 franchises. Can you name him?
1:05:51
I thought it was going to be two Kyle's on it.
1:05:53
He just did this like within the last few years, didn't he?
1:05:57
Yes. And I remember seeing like the
1:06:01
graphic pop up on the screen with all the logos and all that.
1:06:04
I cannot remember who it was though.
1:06:07
Yeah. Do we have an era?
1:06:11
Well, I can tell since 1995 is all.
1:06:14
That's all the further I'm going back.
1:06:15
Yeah, 95. Gotcha.
1:06:17
Since 1995 and he played. Boy, and that's when the career
1:06:20
started. So I did look at this list.
1:06:24
There are some guys whose careers did start a little bit
1:06:27
before 95, but they played with the same team prior to 95 that
1:06:32
they played with in 95. So it's it's the same, it's
1:06:35
since 1995. You're looking for the the
1:06:38
other. Guy.
1:06:40
Nine teams, you said at least. Kansas City Royals was the last
1:06:43
team this guy played for. But you're But this is the guy
1:06:47
that's tied with Edwin. Tied with Edwin Jackson, 14
1:06:50
teams. 14 teams. 14 teams and he has spent at least a year with
1:06:58
both of your teams as well as my team.
1:07:13
Royals being the last team. Royals were the last team.
1:07:17
Oh, oh, oh. The Billy Butler.
1:07:20
Is no, it's not rich. Hill, Kyle's got this is it?
1:07:25
You got to give me an answer. It's Rich Hill.
1:07:28
It's Rich Hill there. There is one guy that pitched,
1:07:34
probably can give you pitched, pitched for 13 teams.
1:07:37
Since you're on a roll, do you want to give it a shot?
1:07:40
This one's going to be tougher. Jamie Moyer.
1:07:43
Oh, Jamie Moyer is well see, that's going to, that's going to
1:07:49
hit the 95 threshold. But let me look him up and see
1:07:53
where he's at, because that's a he started in 86.
1:07:57
No, just eight teams. Eleven years in Seattle.
1:08:07
So not Jamie Moyer. It is a pitcher, and I'll tell
1:08:10
you, he's a relief pitcher. Started in 99, finished in 2013.
1:08:19
He did pitch for the Yankees at 1.0.
1:08:25
Yeah, he did. I remember that.
1:08:26
Finish and when. 2013 I remember him pitching for the Pirates
1:08:30
too. And he you said he finished with
1:08:33
the Yankees. No, he finished with Detroit,
1:08:37
but he pitched for the Yankees for for well, actually 14 games.
1:08:44
Was he there like the? Benoit.
1:08:46
No, you're like obviously in the right era, but.
1:08:51
What are we guessing again? How many?
1:08:52
He played for a bunch of teams. 13 teams reliever.
1:08:57
This is third on the list. Yeah, this is third on the list.
1:09:03
Bonus if you can get the only, the only position player to to
1:09:06
get up there. 12 teams for this. Steven Drew.
1:09:11
No, not on the. List seemed like he bounced
1:09:13
around a bunch. Relief pitcher finish this.
1:09:22
Is your Immaculate grid guys right.
1:09:24
You need to learn. I, you guys do, man, I do.
1:09:27
These are your guys. There's there's a, there's a old
1:09:30
pirates player guy who came up with the Pirates, Jose Guillen.
1:09:33
He played for 10 teams and man, I can almost know what national
1:09:38
he's played for Nationals. Yep, Royal Tigers.
1:09:41
I mean, there's a bunch of them. Yep, Yep.
1:09:44
He's he's a good Immaculate grid guy.
1:09:48
So when you're a sicko and you try to make sure that every
1:09:51
square is filled with a former pirate, that's you got to you
1:09:54
got to throw Jose Guillen and almost.
1:09:56
I need to start doing the Immaculate grid man I got to up
1:09:58
my my. Retail game.
1:10:00
Me too. All right, he So you're
1:10:03
basically asking us for a, a, a Tigers reliever from the 2013
1:10:09
season who then retired. Yeah.
1:10:14
Benoit's the only reliever I know, and that's because of the
1:10:17
poppy Homer. Well, but you're thinking too
1:10:19
like you're, you're thinking of like Tiger's reliever, but he
1:10:25
finished his career there, so maybe you.
1:10:28
Said he finished in 2013, though.
1:10:30
He finished in 2013 with the Tigers, but I'm saying like
1:10:34
that, that those might not have been his the team you remember
1:10:37
him, he spent five years with, one team that you'll
1:10:41
specifically remember him at. We should know this name.
1:10:44
Jason Izrinhausen No, I was kidding.
1:10:47
He he won a World Series in 2011.
1:10:53
I don't think. I don't think that helps.
1:10:54
Yeah, it was Cardinals, but I don't think that helps.
1:10:57
I don't remember that. He did pitch 29 games for them,
1:11:03
but I didn't. I don't, I don't go off of that
1:11:05
because I don't really remember that.
1:11:06
I will tell you that the team you probably remember him from
1:11:10
is Houston. And then he bounced around a
1:11:15
good bit after that. Seemed like a really good like
1:11:18
one or two year deal guy to get in and bolster the bullpen like
1:11:22
he was good. Career 378 ERA.
1:11:26
Brad A. 109 saves so not a ton but he spent some time closing
1:11:33
games out. Seems like a Brad.
1:11:36
Not a Brad, he's from the Dominican Republic.
1:11:39
Devon out of Brad. I don't think Brad checks out.
1:11:44
His initials are OD Octavio. Do do whatever.
1:11:50
Nailed it. Nailed it dude.
1:11:53
What a pole. On the on the offensive side,
1:11:55
since that took a little bit of time, Matt stares 12 teams.
1:11:59
Oh, I could have gotten there. Yeah, I like Matt stares.
1:12:02
You could have said. Extraordinaire.
1:12:04
You could have said first baseman that appeared for both
1:12:07
the Did he play for the Cardinals?
1:12:11
I know he played for the Nats. Not the Cardinals.
1:12:14
He's a Philly. He was.
1:12:16
A Philly. And he was a Nat too, right?
1:12:20
He was a Nat. Yep.
1:12:21
Yeah. Blue Jay.
1:12:22
Blue Jay. Oh, I think I'm also thinking of
1:12:24
Matt Adams, that I think that's why I said Cardinals.
1:12:28
All right, good stuff. Well done.
1:12:31
He was one of the Oakland white shoe, I I think era that we were
1:12:36
talking about. Yeah, big fan of that.
1:12:39
I was not anticipating hearing Octavio Dotel's name on today's
1:12:43
podcast, but well. You nailed the two.
1:12:46
You had it right there. Well, I knew when you started
1:12:49
chuckling, you threw Edwin Jackson out.
1:12:51
There was over. I knew Edwin, you get I you kind
1:12:54
of had to hold my hand a little bit for who's the other one?
1:12:59
Rich Hill No, I don't really think so.
1:13:00
I think you. I could have got.
1:13:02
There you had that. You had that.
1:13:04
He spent the most of his career in Boston.
1:13:07
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's a Massachusetts
1:13:09
guy right there, I believe. Right.
1:13:12
Man, I couldn't stand him when he.
1:13:14
Played for the Pirates. Sound kid.
1:13:16
He would just yell at the players if they do anything
1:13:18
wrong on the field. Right.
1:13:20
Didn't like didn't he literally pitch for them like last year?
1:13:23
It was like one of his last years, but he.
1:13:26
Came up with them for an appearance of last year.
1:13:29
Rich Hill. Yeah.
1:13:31
No, he pitched like he got some, Yeah.
1:13:33
He pitched for the Royals last year.
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Or the Royals. That's what it was, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a couple years ago, but.
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It must have been two years ago because they literally brought
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him up for I think like an outing and then let him.
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Go No 22 starts. No, then that's not what I'm
1:13:48
thinking of. Can you check?
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Can you check? Because he literally came up for
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like I'm telling you it was like 1 game.
1:13:54
Oh, you mean Boston? Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry.
1:13:56
I thought you meant yes. Yeah.
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Four games. Four games.
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And then two with the Royals. So, yeah, so it was last year.
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Crazy. Yeah, I'm sorry, I no 2024 was
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the Boston one. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
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All right, Well, that's trivia with Josh.
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No, I don't like that. Go, go back to the old one.
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