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From Shy Kid To “People’s Bishop”: Purpose, Prayer, And Public Leadership with Dr. Foreman | Episode 424 · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin, Voices for Voices.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for joining this episode.
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• 1:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I will uh get started uh by uh doing a little bit of uh Bishop Foreman's bio from his his website that uh that covers quite uh quite a lot of information and looking forward to the conversation.
• 1:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So all this is in quotes, uh, because I'm quoting directly from uh Bishop Foreman's website, uh known as the people's bishop.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He is a shepherd that loves those he leads.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bishop Kevin Foreman is a renaissance man who has devoted his life to changing lives, born in Denver, Colorado, and reared in Orange Mound, an area of Memphis, Tennessee, riddled with the plight that often accompanies the inner city.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: From humble beginnings through God's amazing grace, he has defied statistics and transcended superficial boundaries.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Today, he is an influential pastor, successful church planter, bishop, success coach, in-demand speaker, author, philanthropist, and entrepreneur.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bishop Foreman is a founder and chancellor of Harvest Bible College, pioneering hashtag fit harvest to promote healthy living in the harvest movement.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bishop Foreman celebrated successfully shedding over 95 pounds through a simple yet powerful lifestyle of changes.
• 3:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is a testament to God's desire for us to walk in his shalom where nothing is missing, nothing is lacking, nothing is broken, and all is well.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I want to introduce Dr.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Gorman to the show.
• 3:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for joining us.
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  Bishop Foreman: Listen, I'm super excited to be here with you.
• 3:26
  Bishop Foreman: Let me just say thank you for what you do creating these conversations.
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  Bishop Foreman: I believe conversations are catalysts for transformation.
• 3:34
  Bishop Foreman: And so um, thank you for what you do to create these conversations to help people.
• 3:38
  Bishop Foreman: I I love the name, Voices for Voices.
• 3:41
  Bishop Foreman: Uh, I love, I love the name, love the mission, love what you do.
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  Bishop Foreman: So I'm super excited to be here as part of the conversation and hopefully add some value to everybody watching and everybody listening.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 3:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so I'll just start with why why do you want to help people?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What got you started in that that the ministry to be doing the things that you have done that you are doing and and will be?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What got you started that spark in your mind?
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  Bishop Foreman: Yeah, you want to know the truth.
• 4:10
  Bishop Foreman: The joke is I came out of my mom's room with a Bible and a briefcase.
• 4:13
  Bishop Foreman: Like I just came out with this affinity towards spirituality, and and I intentionally use the word spirituality because to me it was all about the gospel is good news, and the good news is the bad news is wrong.
• 4:25
  Bishop Foreman: So there's an approach that says condemn, condemn, condemn, beat down, beat down, beat down.
• 4:29
  Bishop Foreman: That's not my approach.
• 4:31
  Bishop Foreman: Um then there's the approach that there's the gospel, there's good news.
• 4:35
  Bishop Foreman: So that's why I use the word spirituality and then success, business, entrepreneurship.
• 4:39
  Bishop Foreman: Started my first business when I was 12, got into the ministry when I was 12.
• 4:44
  Bishop Foreman: Um, at 21, I've Denver's largest black-owned mortgage company.
• 4:48
  Bishop Foreman: And uh, and I got started early as a pastor, and then even as a senior pastor, and then a bishop, which is for those who aren't familiar with it, it's just basically a pastor, two pastors.
• 4:57
  Bishop Foreman: Every general needs a general, every coach needs a coach, every leader needs a leader.
• 5:00
  Bishop Foreman: And um, and so um that that has just always been intrinsically something that's a part of me.
• 5:07
  Bishop Foreman: I I don't know another way of life, except using my life to change the lives of other people.
• 5:13
  Bishop Foreman: I literally don't know another life.
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  Bishop Foreman: I don't know another way.
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  Bishop Foreman: And what's crazy is I'm the first in my bloodline to do it, I'm the first in my family to do it.
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  Bishop Foreman: Um, the first in those, you know, in the community that I grew up in and around to do it.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so I think I represent what a lot of people are, which is you're the curse breaker, you're the line crosser, you're the boundary breaker, you're the history maker, you're the one that's got to go blaze the trail because nobody else blazed it for you.
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  Bishop Foreman: And that can feel very uncomfortable until you know you're not alone.
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  Bishop Foreman: So I'm the one to say to those that have to do it, you're not alone.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I love it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and and that is uh especially in today's society, there's uh so much uh uh so much division uh out there, and so to really bring people together and uh w whatever way uh a person may feel uh that they can do that for for you to to do that and be that that trailblazer knowing that you are in a way a role model for so many that are looking to do things that you have done, or that uh you know they they they watch a watch an interview and and they're like man, like I how's how do you speak so succinctly?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh it's just incredible to have somebody with your passion too.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That passion kind of come out too, like we said, yeah, with the briefcase and the Bible.
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  Bishop Foreman: You know what?
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  Bishop Foreman: Honestly, so I was a really shy kid.
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  Bishop Foreman: And if I'm honest with you, there is even moments that shy will try to creep up on me now.
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  Bishop Foreman: But when I would get on a stage, I would come alive.
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  Bishop Foreman: I remember um in Memphis City schools in elementary school, smokers, the the you know, everybody knows Jam and Jelly and that, well, they they came to the area and they needed a spokesperson.
• 7:12
  Bishop Foreman: And so, you know, I was a different type of kid.
• 7:14
  Bishop Foreman: Um, and I learned to not demonize my difference.
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  Bishop Foreman: You know, while a lot of my peers were you know focused on hanging out with one another, I was the type of kid where I was like, I want to be in the good graces of the teacher and the principal and the ministers like I want those to be my friends.
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  Bishop Foreman: That was basically the leader in me that was drawn and uh two other leaders.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so I just was different.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so um, in that, you know, I remember when Smuckers came, the principal and uh my teacher at the time, they they said, Well, you know, we think you'd be perfect for this.
• 7:44
  Bishop Foreman: And, you know, again, you know, in pri in private or in you know, small social settings, I am very nervous and I used to perspire really heavily.
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  Bishop Foreman: So you can see my nervousness, even as a kid, right?
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  Bishop Foreman: And so I remember though, getting on that stage, and boom, it was I was like a fish in water.
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  Bishop Foreman: Um, I can remember doing things.
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  Bishop Foreman: I remember even back as a kid, the commercial appeal, the newspaper in Memphis did a special uh deal.
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  Bishop Foreman: Back then, like the the technology of the day was like the homework hotline.
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  Bishop Foreman: Like that was cutting-edge technology where a parent could call this line and get the homework for their kid that was recorded by the teacher.
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  Bishop Foreman: Of course, now you know that seems just the most antiquated, you know, short of a short of a chisel and you know, type of thing.
• 8:28
  Bishop Foreman: Um, but in that, um uh I remember being the face for that, um, and constantly being in positions and places where I was always in front of people.
• 8:39
  Bishop Foreman: So I've lived the majority of my life in front of people as a leader or influencer in some way or another.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so um the energy of it honestly is just who I am.
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  Bishop Foreman: Like this is who I am.
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  Bishop Foreman: So, you know, it's difficult for me.
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  Bishop Foreman: I think for some people, the challenge they have is there being some withing or someone they're not.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so it's like they have to put it on, take it off, put it on, take it off.
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  Bishop Foreman: This is my energy.
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  Bishop Foreman: I am always this way.
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  Bishop Foreman: In fact, I feel a little low if you wanted to, but this this is always my energy.
• 9:11
  Bishop Foreman: Um, this is always, I'm always smiling, I'm always um excited.
• 9:16
  Bishop Foreman: And I think that is just something that has developed over time, but it really comes, I believe, from a place of recognizing that I get to choose my emotions.
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  Bishop Foreman: I can be sad or I can I can be mad, I can be frustrated, I can be angry.
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  Bishop Foreman: Emotions are indicators, and that's it.
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  Bishop Foreman: They they are not facts, they're just feelings.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so I've learned I get to pick it.
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  Bishop Foreman: So I can be mad as I'll get out, but I'm still gonna have a good day.
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  Bishop Foreman: I could be frustrated as I'll get out, but I'm still gonna have an amazing day.
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  Bishop Foreman: Because for me, uh, I just I think that's a choice.
• 9:49
  Bishop Foreman: And I think for so many people, like life is gonna life.
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  Bishop Foreman: You're gonna have things that hurt, you're gonna have things that are painful, you're gonna have things that are angry, you're gonna be betrayed.
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  Bishop Foreman: Life is a contact sport.
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  Bishop Foreman: If you're not taking hits, you are not playing it right.
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  Bishop Foreman: And if you play trying to avoid hits, you're gonna normally get hit the most and the hardest.
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  Bishop Foreman: Like football.
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  Bishop Foreman: Um, you know, if you're doing all this scrambling around and all of that, trying not to get hit with the ball, normally you're gonna get hit, it's gonna hurt, and it's gonna be behind the line, you're gonna lose progress.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so um, it's just a choice, it's just a conscious choice.
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  Bishop Foreman: I make that choice, I make that decision, and uh, it's a daily decision that I make.
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  Bishop Foreman: It doesn't deny the reality of humanity and frustrating things and angering things or whatever, or uh sad things.
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  Bishop Foreman: Uh, but it just means I just decide, I get to pick my emotions.
• 10:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, that that that that's so true.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, Marcus uh Relius uh I I believe uh said that that very thing in in his uh in his work that uh we are who we are in inside, so whatever belief we have internally, that's our our choice.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't impact things outside of our control, but we can impact things in internally.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so there are gonna be things that uh you know, there's gonna be high points, there's gonna be low points, and everywhere in between.
• 11:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if somebody somebody is watching and listening, what would you tell them to get started if they you know they're I'm not not that an age matters, but you know, they're in their formative years and they're like, I want to make a I wanna dip, I want to make a difference, I wanna I wanna serve people.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What would you say to them?
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  Bishop Foreman: You you know, I would say, and I love what you said, not that age matters, because anytime is the right time to do anything, right?
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  Bishop Foreman: Like sometimes we're waiting, I'm waiting on the perfect time.
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  Bishop Foreman: And there's a scripture in the Bible that says if you're waiting on the perfect time, you're gonna get nothing done.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so for me, I don't care if you're you know 20, 40, 60, 80, if you got a pulse, there's still a plan.
• 12:03
  Bishop Foreman: There's still purpose in you, there's still life you are meant to live.
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  Bishop Foreman: That's why you're still here.
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  Bishop Foreman: At some point, I think every person has to ask themselves the question, why am I still here?
• 12:13
  Bishop Foreman: How did I survive what I survived?
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  Bishop Foreman: How did I make it out of?
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  Bishop Foreman: You cannot tell me that you made it through the things you've made it through.
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  Bishop Foreman: Survive the things you survived, come out of what you've come out of, dealt with what you've had to deal with, endure what you've had to endure just so you can go to work, pay bills, have babies, and die.
• 12:30
  Bishop Foreman: Or whatever that sequence might be.
• 12:32
  Bishop Foreman: Maybe you pull the babies out, put a dog in here, you know, whatever.
• 12:35
  Bishop Foreman: At the end of the day, um, you cannot tell me that that is the only reason that you're on the planet.
• 12:41
  Bishop Foreman: And so that being said, at any age, any time is the right time to do anything.
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  Bishop Foreman: It's the moment you make the decision.
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  Bishop Foreman: For me, because it was intrinsic in me, um, it just became my lifestyle, my way of life.
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  Bishop Foreman: And over life, it took on many forms.
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  Bishop Foreman: It took on forms in business, it took on forms in ministry.
• 13:01
  Bishop Foreman: I remember um, you know, always looking at the things that gave me a burden and that the things that bothered me.
• 13:09
  Bishop Foreman: Whatever bothers you, that's where you're supposed to be a blessing.
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  Bishop Foreman: Whatever aggravates you, that's normally the thing you're assigned to.
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  Bishop Foreman: Like, why don't somebody do something about that?
• 13:17
  Bishop Foreman: You do it.
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  Bishop Foreman: The reason it bothers you is because that's the thing you're supposed to be a blessing in.
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  Bishop Foreman: The thing that aggravates you, that's the thing you are assigned to address.
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  Bishop Foreman: You're assigned to fix, you're assigned to add your voice to the conversation.
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  Bishop Foreman: And so for me, um, I'd say to anybody, it's always a good time to start.
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  Bishop Foreman: Number two, it's always a good time to start with one step, with one step.
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  Bishop Foreman: Like a lot of times I think people don't do things because it's overwhelming.
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  Bishop Foreman: Um, you know, I remember when I when I started looking in, and this is a totally different subject, but same principle.
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  Bishop Foreman: When I started looking into crypto, this is years and years ago, before it was sort of more mainstream.
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  Bishop Foreman: I was like, what is this?
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  Bishop Foreman: I said, this is the most confusing.
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  Bishop Foreman: Like I was completely confused.
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  Bishop Foreman: And then one day I made a lot of money off of it.
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  Bishop Foreman: And then a couple weeks later, I was like, where's my money at?
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  Bishop Foreman: Like, you know, it was that type of a thing.
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  Bishop Foreman: And and I remember thinking, man, this is so overwhelming.
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  Bishop Foreman: I said, the only reason it seems overwhelmed is because I am trying to do the whole thing at one time.
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  Bishop Foreman: I am trying to crash course into this and go from A to Z and be a crypto expert in two weeks.
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  Bishop Foreman: That's not necessarily the way it works.
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  Bishop Foreman: I think for most, the feeling of being overwhelmed is what stops them from taking the next steps.
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  Bishop Foreman: And I say this to people I coach, whether they're executives or everyday people or supervisors, managers, pastors, leaders, whatever your life is, I say this.
• 14:42
  Bishop Foreman: How would you eat an elephant?
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  Bishop Foreman: And most people kind of, you know, well, wait me, eat an elephant.
• 14:46
  Bishop Foreman: We don't, you know.
• 14:46
  Bishop Foreman: And to be clear, I am not suggesting that we should go out eating elephants, right?
• 14:50
  Bishop Foreman: This is this is an animal-friendly, animal-friendly uh discussion.
• 14:54
  Bishop Foreman: Yes.
• 14:55
  Bishop Foreman: But the reality is, is everybody would say, well, one bite at a time.
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  Bishop Foreman: Just because it's bigger doesn't mean I change my approach.
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  Bishop Foreman: Bingo.
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  Bishop Foreman: Same thing is true with life.
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  Bishop Foreman: Just because you're approaching something big doesn't mean you change your approach.
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  Bishop Foreman: You approach it one bite at a time.
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  Bishop Foreman: Same way you'd eat a hamburger, same way you'd eat, you know, some fries, same way you'd eat my favorite, you know, cheese and bread, those two together virtually in any combination.
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  Bishop Foreman: I love it.
• 15:20
  Bishop Foreman: Same as you get it, same way.
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  Bishop Foreman: So I think um, number one, it's anytime is a good time to do anything.
• 15:28
  Bishop Foreman: Number two, um, the way you got to do that is one bite at a time, one step at a time.
• 15:33
  Bishop Foreman: So let's say you want to, you know, um get involved in missions work, for example, and not just overseas, but something domestic.
• 15:41
  Bishop Foreman: Take one step, do the research, then take the next step, figure out what area most speaks to you.
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  Bishop Foreman: Like, don't get into it.
• 15:49
  Bishop Foreman: And oh, I've spent, you know, oh, 20 minutes on this and I'm so overwhelmed.
• 15:53
  Bishop Foreman: Because normally when we feel overwhelmed, what are we gonna do?
• 15:55
  Bishop Foreman: It's like drowning.
• 15:56
  Bishop Foreman: I want to get out of this water.
• 15:57
  Bishop Foreman: And that's what most people do is they get out of the water and they never get back in it because of how they got in it.
• 16:02
  Bishop Foreman: Put one foot in, then a little bit of knee, then put a little thigh, then you know, before you know it, you're you're in it and you mastered it.
• 16:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 16:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How important uh it's kind of a softball question, but how important is prayer to to your your life and for uh others?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know when um so I had mental health rock bottom in 2017 and I was away from the church for you know the the college years plus a few.
• 16:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And once I came out of rock bottom, I had my psychiatrist, I had I had my team, but then there was still something missing, and it wasn't until um I brought faith back into my life that I felt as whole as can be.
• 16:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so I'm just curious on you know the importance of prayer in in your life and for others that are watching and listening.
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  Bishop Foreman: Yeah, great question.
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  Bishop Foreman: I think for me, um, it is quintessential.
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  Bishop Foreman: I view it like this any relationship without communication isn't a relationship.
• 17:10
  Bishop Foreman: That's right.
• 17:10
  Bishop Foreman: And so when we often you'll hear people talk about their relationship with God.
• 17:15
  Bishop Foreman: And what most people have is a transactional relationship with God, not a relationship with God.
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  Bishop Foreman: What's the difference?
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  Bishop Foreman: A transactional relationship is like what you have with your bank.
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  Bishop Foreman: Um, you go to your bank, I'm there, I'm getting something, I'm depositing, I'm depositing something, or I'm getting something, and I'm out.
• 17:33
  Bishop Foreman: Most people don't sit in the bank all day and talk to the bankers and hey, how you doing?
• 17:37
  Bishop Foreman: You good?
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  Bishop Foreman: How you feeling?
• 17:38
  Bishop Foreman: You good, you know, not that you don't have you know minor conversations, but most people aren't going in and spend the day back and forth.
• 17:44
  Bishop Foreman: Hey, Bob, you know, yeah, you doing good today?
• 17:47
  Bishop Foreman: How's my count looking?
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  Bishop Foreman: You know, I mean, most people aren't doing all of that.
• 17:51
  Bishop Foreman: It's the same way with God.
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  Bishop Foreman: To me, if if it's just a transactional relationship, you only go when you need something, you only call on when you need something.
• 18:01
  Bishop Foreman: Now flip that around.
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  Bishop Foreman: Would you want that type of person in your life?
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  Bishop Foreman: And the only time you heard from them is when they needed something from you.
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  Bishop Foreman: You'd be like, matter of fact, when you saw them call, you'd say, Oh, god, here you go.
• 18:13
  Bishop Foreman: What do you need?
• 18:15
  Bishop Foreman: What do you want?
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  Bishop Foreman: Because you already know this isn't, we're not building any type of relationship or connection.
• 18:21
  Bishop Foreman: The only thing we're doing is transactions.
• 18:23
  Bishop Foreman: You're getting something from me.
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  Bishop Foreman: And at a at a real deep level, you have to look at that as usury.
• 18:29
  Bishop Foreman: This is usury.
• 18:30
  Bishop Foreman: And I think this is why so many people can get frustrated in their relationship with God, is because it's not really a relationship.
• 18:36
  Bishop Foreman: You only go to him when you need something.
• 18:38
  Bishop Foreman: Conversely, relationship means this is an interaction we're having all day long.
• 18:44
  Bishop Foreman: And I think that's what prayer does.
• 18:45
  Bishop Foreman: It's two-way communication.
• 18:47
  Bishop Foreman: It's not just you talking to him, it's him talking back.
• 18:50
  Bishop Foreman: It's not just you giving him your, you know, when I was a kid, I don't know if you remember this.
• 18:54
  Bishop Foreman: Remember they used to have the um the big fit catalogs they'd send from JC Penny around.
• 18:59
  Bishop Foreman: Oh, yeah.
• 19:00
  Bishop Foreman: Oh, yeah.
• 19:00
  Bishop Foreman: So listen, when that catalog would come, I would go to that catalog, I'd start marking pages, circling prices, and I'd start paying attention if they changed the prices or raise them, right?
• 19:10
  Bishop Foreman: Because I this was my Christmas list.
• 19:12
  Bishop Foreman: This is what I want.
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  Bishop Foreman: And the reality is, I think for many, that's what their relationship, air quotes, has become with God, is that it is this is the list of things I want.
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  Bishop Foreman: This is everything I want you to do.
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  Bishop Foreman: Thank you.
• 19:26
  Bishop Foreman: Versus a true relationship where it is dialogue.
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  Bishop Foreman: You're speaking, I'm he's speaking back.
• 19:32
  Bishop Foreman: You're speaking, he's speaking back.
• 19:33
  Bishop Foreman: And I don't have to wait to the end of the night to put my hands together like this and say, now lay me down and sleep.
• 19:38
  Bishop Foreman: This is a conversation that can happen throughout the day.
• 19:41
  Bishop Foreman: Like, what relationship do you not speak to your uh your the person you're in relationship with all day?
• 19:47
  Bishop Foreman: Like you just you don't talk to them all day, except, hey, how you doing?
• 19:50
  Bishop Foreman: How's your day?
• 19:51
  Bishop Foreman: Okay, great.
• 19:52
  Bishop Foreman: That relationship is over, and you two are the only ones that don't know it yet.
• 19:55
  Bishop Foreman: Real relationship is communication.
• 19:58
  Bishop Foreman: So to answer your question.
• 19:59
  Bishop Foreman: How important is prayer?
• 20:01
  Bishop Foreman: To me, it is quintessential in the sense that I don't know how you do life without having conversation with your manufacturer.
• 20:11
  Bishop Foreman: I don't know how you do life without communicating with who made you, who designed you, who developed you, um, and being able to cast your cares upon him.
• 20:24
  Bishop Foreman: Like, listen, prayer is the reason I lost my mind.
• 20:27
  Bishop Foreman: Right?
• 20:29
  Bishop Foreman: Um, there's a scripture in Luke 18 that says, Men, of course, women, men ought to always pray.
• 20:34
  Bishop Foreman: Many mankind ought to always pray and not lose heart.
• 20:38
  Bishop Foreman: Um, translation pray all the time, you won't lose your mind.
• 20:41
  Bishop Foreman: So to me, it is it's the reason.
• 20:44
  Bishop Foreman: Some people say, Mr.
• 20:45
  Bishop Foreman: Foreman, how have you dealt with everything you dealt with and you do all the things you do?
• 20:48
  Bishop Foreman: It is because of prayer.
• 20:49
  Bishop Foreman: It is not just because I've developed amazing skills, although I've had to do that.
• 20:54
  Bishop Foreman: It is because I recognize listen, if I don't pray, I'm about to lose my mind up in here, up in here.
• 21:01
  Bishop Foreman: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh yeah.
• 21:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: DMX and there.
• 21:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, come on, exactly.
• 21:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You got the reference, yep.
• 21:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh yeah.
• 21:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I recently uh I don't know the time frame, but recently uh I either read or or heard an interview with Michael Jordan, and people are asking about his political affiliation of you know what what what side of the aisle do you belong to?
• 21:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and then he he said uh he goes, I'm not gonna, he goes, I'm I'm independent.
• 21:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh he goes because there's there's Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians.
• 21:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They all buy sneakers.
• 21:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it I'd be doing myself a deserts of cutting off of like potentially half the country give or take.
• 21:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I like uh on your uh your webpage how how you cover that as well, that you're talking and speaking, and it doesn't matter where somebody stands politically, and we're also implementing that of if a candidate wants to come on and they want to they want to talk and share, that's great.
• 22:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we just got done have any candidates, and we got uh it has it's not even live yet, and we've already we're already getting the hate mail, and they're like this, this, this, this, and this.
• 22:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So to your point, if you're not making uh you know, if you're waiting and then you you know get hit and it it's gonna hurt more than uh instead of just saying, okay, there's gonna be things that are gonna happen that are gonna be good and and bad and and when you're doing things.
• 22:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um anyway, so I I I I like that approach that that you have because it you want to reach all people, you want to you want to help all people, and it comes down to just being a plain old human being.
• 23:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, where did that philosophy come from?
• 23:05
  Bishop Foreman: Great question.
• 23:05
  Bishop Foreman: When I saw that there was nothing to win by taking sides, there's nothing to win, right?
• 23:11
  Bishop Foreman: Other than to reinforce an ideology that frankly may change.
• 23:15
  Bishop Foreman: So to me, there was nothing to win.
• 23:17
  Bishop Foreman: I discovered this a long time ago.
• 23:19
  Bishop Foreman: Full disclosure, I since we're on the topic, I'm an independent also, not a Democrat nor Republican.
• 23:24
  Bishop Foreman: Um, I am pro-people.
• 23:26
  Bishop Foreman: I am um uh I'll be I'll I'll say that uh very loud and and strong.
• 23:32
  Bishop Foreman: I am pro-people, I am not anti-people, I am not, I do not believe that uh I think the government should just stab people's lives in all ways, all days, right?
• 23:42
  Bishop Foreman: As much as possible, um, with uh appropriate um, you know, regulation, et cetera, et cetera.
• 23:47
  Bishop Foreman: So that's just a high level.
• 23:49
  Bishop Foreman: So be clear.
• 23:50
  Bishop Foreman: That being said, I I remember it was years ago, I had to learn this lesson because one of our core values is we don't take sides, we take over.
• 23:58
  Bishop Foreman: And that's just a general belief that um we weren't sent, you know, to just be passive bystanders in life.
• 24:04
  Bishop Foreman: We were sent to have a positive impact.
• 24:06
  Bishop Foreman: There are some Christians that believe in doing that, that they need to legislate morality and force their view on the culture writ large, and say we're gonna legislate how you live and that's gonna make you moral.
• 24:21
  Bishop Foreman: That's some people's belief.
• 24:22
  Bishop Foreman: Um, I don't believe you can legislate morality.
• 24:25
  Bishop Foreman: Uh, I think at the end of the day, like God gives people choices, you give them choices.
• 24:30
  Bishop Foreman: And I mean, you're not giving them choices, God gave them that choice.
• 24:33
  Bishop Foreman: So if you say with liberty and justice for all one nation under God, okay, well, then give him, give people what he gives them.
• 24:39
  Bishop Foreman: Um, so that's high level.
• 24:40
  Bishop Foreman: That being said, now I could I can imagine some people already trying to say, oh, healings this way or that way.
• 24:45
  Bishop Foreman: Yeah, mama.
• 24:46
  Bishop Foreman: No, I'm just joking.
• 24:47
  Bishop Foreman: I'm just joking, I'm just joking, I'm just joking.
• 24:48
  Bishop Foreman: I'm just talking about y'all can tell I'm not for it.
• 24:50
  Bishop Foreman: But but in that, um, um, what I discovered, I remember years ago, we were doing something to um uh essentially create a five-minute period in the school day that would allow kids, if they wanted to pray, meditate, sit there, play on their phones, whatever, they could do whatever.
• 25:08
  Bishop Foreman: And it was simply a proposal that was designed.
• 25:12
  Bishop Foreman: Um, but I looked at the school system, I said, um, the school system is, if you look at the stats, most of them are not trending in the right direction.
• 25:21
  Bishop Foreman: And a lot of this isn't just um academic stuff.
• 25:24
  Bishop Foreman: This is life stuff.
• 25:25
  Bishop Foreman: Kids don't have time to just they just dealt with stuff at home.
• 25:29
  Bishop Foreman: They just don't, and so it was very simple.
• 25:31
  Bishop Foreman: The goal was not to get quote unquote prayer back in schools.
• 25:35
  Bishop Foreman: That was not the goal.
• 25:37
  Bishop Foreman: Um the goal was to give the option, and um, and it was just to start a conversation.
• 25:42
  Bishop Foreman: Well, here's what happened.
• 25:43
  Bishop Foreman: Um, we got it through the uh initial process to get it on the ballot in the state of Colorado.
• 25:49
  Bishop Foreman: The state notified the media before we were notified that it got there.
• 25:54
  Bishop Foreman: So there was another step we'd have to take it before it may get to the ballot.
• 25:57
  Bishop Foreman: The hate I got, I mean, you got threats, death threats.
• 26:03
  Bishop Foreman: I got um threats to burn down the building.
• 26:06
  Bishop Foreman: We're gonna come picket your building with signs.
• 26:09
  Bishop Foreman: It was just the craziest stuff, too.
• 26:11
  Bishop Foreman: Like, I was just like, we're gonna picket with signs of you know, babies and things.
• 26:15
  Bishop Foreman: I just, what are you talking about?
• 26:17
  Bishop Foreman: I was like, what are y'all talking about?
• 26:19
  Bishop Foreman: We had teachers call and boldly leave voicemails threatening us and threatening me.
• 26:24
  Bishop Foreman: I mean, it was intense for a few weeks to where like it was like we had to like literally lock down and like security around me was like a bubble around me, like you know, because we got a huge number of threats.
• 26:37
  Bishop Foreman: The media came after us.
• 26:39
  Bishop Foreman: They went to every person that had any name similar to mine and were nodding on doors and standing outside.
• 26:46
  Bishop Foreman: I would see news trucks outside of my house, Mr.
• 26:47
  Bishop Foreman: Foreman, Mr.
• 26:48
  Bishop Foreman: Foreman, I in there.
• 26:49
  Bishop Foreman: I'm like, y'all, all this is is the first step for a ballot initiative.
• 26:55
  Bishop Foreman: And I'm not what y'all are saying we're trying to do, we're not trying to do.
• 26:59
  Bishop Foreman: And um, and so they shot, I mean, it was it was a crazy, it was, it was really crazy for about two weeks.
• 27:05
  Bishop Foreman: And in all of that happening, I recognize you all took this and made this political.
• 27:10
  Bishop Foreman: They even got a pastor to come on and said to oppose me.
• 27:14
  Bishop Foreman: And I said, oppose me.
• 27:15
  Bishop Foreman: You didn't have to oppose me because I wasn't what you're saying I'm trying to do, I'm not trying to do.
• 27:19
  Bishop Foreman: Um, and he got on and said, I don't want the schools educating our kids in prayer at all and religion at all.
• 27:25
  Bishop Foreman: I said, That's not what we're did.
• 27:26
  Bishop Foreman: Y'all read it?
• 27:27
  Bishop Foreman: I said, that's not what we're trying to do.
• 27:29
  Bishop Foreman: Here's my point.
• 27:30
  Bishop Foreman: I quickly learned how people already have decided what they want to believe when it comes to a lot of those political issues.
• 27:36
  Bishop Foreman: Something that was not political, was politicized, and we found ourselves in the crosshairs of it.
• 27:42
  Bishop Foreman: And so as the years progressed, I realized there's nothing to win taking aside.
• 27:47
  Bishop Foreman: There's nothing to win.
• 27:49
  Bishop Foreman: So my approach has always been I will work with who works with me to advance the lives of the people that I lead.
• 27:55
  Bishop Foreman: And if you're a Democrat, let's work.
• 27:57
  Bishop Foreman: If you're a Republican, let's work.
• 27:59
  Bishop Foreman: Now, in my experience, the facts are coming out of Denver, the majority of the folks that were willing to work work the uh, you know, on the Democratic side.
• 28:07
  Bishop Foreman: But we certainly did what we could on both sides.
• 28:10
  Bishop Foreman: Um, that's just my experience.
• 28:12
  Bishop Foreman: Um, yeah and so that's the approach that we take.
• 28:15
  Bishop Foreman: So we make that clear on our website.
• 28:16
  Bishop Foreman: Are we politically affiliated?
• 28:18
  Bishop Foreman: Because now it's almost like if you're a Christian, that means you're a Republican.
• 28:22
  Bishop Foreman: No, that is not what that means.
• 28:24
  Bishop Foreman: Um, and you have to be clear about that in today's world because people automatically associate different things in ways that they don't have to be associated.
• 28:34
  Bishop Foreman: But I say to you, I get it.
• 28:36
  Bishop Foreman: And whenever you start touching that, especially right now, you're gonna have people on either side.
• 28:41
  Bishop Foreman: And sometimes it'll amaze you, the people who should understand you and know you, and they sometimes are the loudest critics.
• 28:50
  Bishop Foreman: And you're saying, Did y'all listen to what was said?
• 28:53
  Bishop Foreman: Um, I remember during this last, and I know it's a long answer, but I had to just but I remember um during the last presidential cycle between Vice President Harris and Donald Trump.
• 29:05
  Bishop Foreman: Um, I remembered that um, you know, we we were just talking about the importance of people going to vote.
• 29:11
  Bishop Foreman: That was it.
• 29:12
  Bishop Foreman: And we got messages from people um that, you know, it seems like you were saying this, and it seems like you were saying this, and I feel very strongly about this.
• 29:22
  Bishop Foreman: I said, I didn't say any of that.
• 29:24
  Bishop Foreman: I said, I said, go vote and educate yourself.
• 29:28
  Bishop Foreman: Because at the end of the day, um, if you don't educate yourself, um, you may vote against your own interests.
• 29:35
  Bishop Foreman: Don't vote against your own interests.
• 29:37
  Bishop Foreman: Don't, you know, don't support something that ultimately is not going to be beneficial.
• 29:41
  Bishop Foreman: And some of the messages that came through, again, reiterated to me that there's nothing to win here by taking the side.
• 29:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's so true.
• 29:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh it's so so true.
• 29:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then uh yeah, uh it it it's it it's interesting to have uh a compadre, uh you know, been there, done that.
• 30:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Unfortunately, it's not not not the funnest thing, but uh yeah, so that it's it's it's it's it's it's mayhem.
• 30:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh then I kind of feel like I'm not doing anything worth doing if I'm not running into some things, you know, or on the business because like you said earlier in our conversation, you know, the easy thing to do is just to walk away, to do nothing, to just sit on the couch, just uh yep, uh we're not gonna have anybody on the show that uh says this or says that.
• 30:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like so why have a show?
• 30:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like why have a show?
• 30:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, we're not gonna have people uh from all walks of life, and we we we even say that say, hey, if you're interested in coming on a show and you're a candidate and you want to talk, we'll give you the same airtime.
• 30:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't care where you're at, we're in Ohio, and this individual's in Oregon, so they're running for governor, and so it it doesn't matter where where where where it's at.
• 31:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um as our as our time uh unfortunately comes to a close, what's the best way for people to learn about uh your your work, to follow you, to you know, be be a part of uh your your movement, Bishop?
• 31:26
  Bishop Foreman: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:26
  Bishop Foreman: Well again, I got just want to say thank you for having me and thank you for again.
• 31:30
  Bishop Foreman: I said it at the beginning, say it again, thank you for creating these conversations.
• 31:33
  Bishop Foreman: I just gotta add one thing to the thing you just brought up about you know if it's if it's not worth um, you know, if you're doing something that's worthwhile.
• 31:41
  Bishop Foreman: If you want to never be talked about, don't do anything worth talking about.
• 31:45
  Bishop Foreman: At the end of the day, um that's that's where the wins are is having these conversations.
• 31:51
  Bishop Foreman: And I say to those that maybe are listening and think, oh, I can't believe you had this person on the show, whatever it might be.
• 31:57
  Bishop Foreman: Sometimes um you have to step back and ask yourself two questions.
• 32:01
  Bishop Foreman: One, what's the harm in hearing how somebody else's thinks?
• 32:07
  Bishop Foreman: If it's that much of a threat to what you think or believe, then perhaps you need to check your own thoughts and beliefs.
• 32:14
  Bishop Foreman: I can, I'm a Christian, unapologetic all day, every day, five times on Sunday, right?
• 32:20
  Bishop Foreman: Um, I can listen to an atheist.
• 32:22
  Bishop Foreman: That doesn't, that doesn't, oh I can't listen to this.
• 32:26
  Bishop Foreman: No, I want to hear, I want to hear what you think because it helps me to be more effective at what I do.
• 32:32
  Bishop Foreman: And it only concretizes what I believe, or if it does blow a hole or create an area of doubt, now it makes you go do some research and say, okay, what what is the real issue here?
• 32:42
  Bishop Foreman: So I encourage everybody to think at a higher level and realize that just because you're listening to someone who opposes you, that that's not a loss.
• 32:52
  Bishop Foreman: It's a gain.
• 32:53
  Bishop Foreman: Um, because it gives you insight.
• 32:55
  Bishop Foreman: Like sometimes you need to see how people who are on the other side of an issue think about it to figure out how did you get here?
• 33:01
  Bishop Foreman: What happened to you to get here in your mind?
• 33:03
  Bishop Foreman: Because maybe I don't understand where you're at, I don't get where you're at, I think where you're at is crazy.
• 33:08
  Bishop Foreman: Okay, but how did you get there?
• 33:10
  Bishop Foreman: It's important to understand that.
• 33:12
  Bishop Foreman: So I just have to say that um because I think sometimes people think, even considering that, listen to someone different or someone on the other side, I make it my business to routinely listen to a variety of thoughts and opinions about an issue.
• 33:25
  Bishop Foreman: Not because it's necessarily going to change mine, it's it's gonna help me make mine better.
• 33:30
  Bishop Foreman: It's gonna help me make mine uh more expansive.
• 33:32
  Bishop Foreman: And sometimes, can I be honest, it helps me to be more objective about an issue.
• 33:38
  Bishop Foreman: Because now I'm not just looking at it through the silo of what I've already chosen to believe or what I already think.
• 33:46
  Bishop Foreman: It helps me to expand.
• 33:47
  Bishop Foreman: And I think that's why people call me the people's bishop, because I have the ability, I don't care what your background, white, black, tall, short, uh, no matter your background, everybody included, nobody excluded, to connect with people.
• 33:59
  Bishop Foreman: And they say, you know what, that doggone bishop foreman.
• 34:02
  Bishop Foreman: I tell you what, when he's preaching, it's like he's talking to me.
• 34:05
  Bishop Foreman: And and and and that can be from anybody.
• 34:07
  Bishop Foreman: It's not just one race or one background or one.
• 34:10
  Bishop Foreman: Well, it's amazing to me.
• 34:12
  Bishop Foreman: Um, we've seen over almost 13,000 professions of faith in our existence, 1,859 in 2025.
• 34:19
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• 34:23
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• 34:27
  Bishop Foreman: Something we want to do for your audience, though, is uh we want to sew something into that.
• 34:31
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• 34:31
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• 34:35
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• 34:49
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• 34:54
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• 34:56
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• 34:57
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• 34:58
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• 35:04
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• 35:05
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• 35:08
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• 35:17
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• 35:24
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• 35:33
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• 35:42
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• 35:46
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• 35:48
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• 35:58
  Bishop Foreman: So would love to uh connect with your audience and again, thanks for having me.
• 36:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, you're welcome, Bishop Foreman.
• 36:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's a beautiful conversation.
• 36:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So happy we're able to make it happen.
• 36:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I breath of fresh air to just have a human-to-human conversation and and share information.
• 36:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I I'm I'm with you that uh we can we can choose not to listen to others, or we we can choose to listen to others.
• 36:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or if it's that much of a harsh topic, we can always just change the channel.
• 36:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we don't we don't have to uh there's thousands of shows out there and even more than that.
• 36:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and so that's the way I look at it.
• 36:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I tell our audience to say, hey, like it's okay.
• 36:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like you're probably gonna like some shows, and you're probably not gonna like some.
• 36:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you don't like it, that's fine.
• 36:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just go somewhere else.
• 37:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't come on and share the you know the the hate and you know the threats and and uh just just move along because I don't have time in the day for me to do that to reach out to people.
• 37:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like if I if I don't agree with the that much, I just do something else.
• 37:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's the easiest thing to do.
• 37:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's yeah, it's like I just don't have to do anything.
• 37:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't even have to turn on uh YouTube or Apple or any of that.
• 37:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but it's been a truly a blessing having you on, Bishop Florent.
• 37:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for uh the mission work, uh for the coaching, uh for uh just being so so authentic and so transparent, especially as you mentioned at the beginning, about uh you know you coming out with uh you know a briefcase in a Bible being born that this is just like what you're this is what you do and it's where you thrive.
• 38:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and uh and and I think that that's a cue to anybody in our audience or other audiences is when you find that something that you're doing well and you like doing it, that's probably something you should maybe at least take a look at and see if see if it's something that okay, like do I want to do that for a career?
• 38:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh or or maybe not.
• 38:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but uh thank you so much.
• 38:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I I'm just tickled that you you you come on the show and uh we were able to get it to get it to work out and uh love to have you on the show uh again as as time and schedules permit to get into some of those other topics and um and so thank you, Bishop Foreman.
• 38:57
  Bishop Foreman: My pleasure.
• 38:57
  Bishop Foreman: Thanks for having me again and would love to do that anytime.
• 39:00
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• 39:01
  Bishop Foreman: You send the inverter, we'll shut down whatever we're doing, because I'd love to be with you.
• 39:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 39:06
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• 39:08
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• 39:12
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• 39:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh and until uh our next show, we just hope that you are and continue to be a voice for yourself or someone else in the talk to you about it.