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Mega Edition: Hillary Clinton And Her Epstein Related Talk With Congress (Part 9-11) (11/9/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with the Hillary Clinton testimony from
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  Speaker 1: her deposition with Congress. Question, and finally, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump should be deposed by the committee? Answer, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I was a lawyer, and as a lawyer, you would
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  Speaker 1: look for patterns and practice. If you were deposing a
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  Speaker 1: witness in a case that you were trying, if you
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  Speaker 1: were in court, you What did you know about the person?
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  Speaker 1: What you knew could influence how you questioned that person.
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  Speaker 1: How you tried the case. Donald Trump has been held
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  Speaker 1: civilly liable for sexual assault by a jury of his peers.
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  Speaker 1: Nine members of a jury found him liable in the
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault of E. Gene Carroll. That is behavior. That
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  Speaker 1: fits a pattern. If one were looking for a pattern.
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  Speaker 1: He's also been convicted of 34 felony counts. for attempting
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  Speaker 1: to hide a relationship with an escort, and then to
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  Speaker 1: commit business fraud to prevent it from becoming public in
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  Speaker 1: the 2016 campaign, which was ultimately election interference. So if
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  Speaker 1: I was running the committee, or if I was involved
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  Speaker 1: in the investigation, I'd be looking for people who maybe
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  Speaker 1: had some prior conduct that might be relevant to either
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  Speaker 1: money or crimes. And yes, I think that would be
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  Speaker 1: in keeping with the scope of the investigation of this
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  Speaker 1: committee to set up a deposition with President Trump. I
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  Speaker 1: know he's been deposed many, many, many times. He's taken
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  Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment many, many hundreds of times. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying you're going to get a lot of information.
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  Speaker 1: But given what's in the files and given past and
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  Speaker 1: prior conduct, he would be on my witness list. Question,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. We can go off the record. So they
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  Speaker 1: come back on and now it's Chairman Comer. Yes, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you, Madam Secretary. And we appreciate what you said
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  Speaker 1: in the last round of questions. I want to be
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  Speaker 1: very clear. This committee is taking this investigation very seriously.
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  Speaker 1: We're following the money. We have a history of doing
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  Speaker 1: that over the past two years. I wrote the Treasury
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  Speaker 1: Department requesting suspicious activity reports related to Jeffrey Epstein. Treasury
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  Speaker 1: has now been in full compliance, and our staff has
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  Speaker 1: spent untold hours reviewing those documents. And I know the
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  Speaker 1: minority staff have also reviewed those documents. Anytime we subpoena anything,
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  Speaker 1: both sides get it. Based on the suspicious activity reports,
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  Speaker 1: I then issued subpoenas to two banks, Deutsche Bank and
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  Speaker 1: JP Morgan. Those two banks are also in compliance and
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  Speaker 1: continue to produce thousands of pages of records. And I'll
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  Speaker 1: say this before I turn it over to Representative Mace.
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  Speaker 1: This investigation is made very difficult when witnesses drag out
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  Speaker 1: negotiations for more than six months and violate their duly
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  Speaker 1: issued subpoena. So that's one reason when we're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: very powerful people, that have the best attorneys out there,
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  Speaker 1: it's very difficult when it takes six months to get
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  Speaker 1: witnesses in. So I just wanted to mention that. Then
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  Speaker 1: I'll yield to Ms. Mace. So now we have Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Mace asking Hillary Clinton some questions. Question. Thank you, Ms. Chairman.
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  Speaker 1: Madam Secretary, thank you for returning this afternoon. Secretary Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: is your husband someone that the committee should investigate? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: My husband will be here tomorrow. You'll have a chance
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  Speaker 1: to ask him. Question. So my question is, Is your
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  Speaker 1: husband someone the committee should investigate? Her lawyer jumps in now,
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  Speaker 1: asked and answered, Clinton, apparently you are. You've subpoenaed him.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be here tomorrow. Question, in your testimony
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  Speaker 1: before the break, you discussed why you believe President Trump
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  Speaker 1: should testify before a committee due to a pattern of behavior.
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  Speaker 1: You testified that a pattern of behavior warrants accountability, so
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  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I understand your standard correctly.
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  Speaker 1: The pattern of behavior you describe includes being held civilly liable, indictments,
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  Speaker 1: sexually deviant behavior, correct? Answer, yes. Question. In 1998, your
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  Speaker 1: husband was found civilly liable for sexual misconduct with Paula
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  Speaker 1: Jones and settled for $ 850, 000. Is that correct? Clinton, yeah. Question.
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  Speaker 1: By your standard of pattern of behavior, should your husband
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  Speaker 1: testify before this committee? Answer, he's testifying tomorrow. Question. On
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  Speaker 1: December 19th, 1998, President Clinton was impeached on charges of
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  Speaker 1: perjury and obstruction of justice, which directly related to his
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  Speaker 1: extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky. Is that correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and your husband was impeached for perjury-related sexual behavior, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand what you said. Question, your husband was
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  Speaker 1: impeached for perjury related to his sexual behavior. Answer, he
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  Speaker 1: was impeached for several reasons. and then was acquitted in
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  Speaker 1: the Senate. Question, and your husband flew on Jeffrey Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: plane 17 to 26 times, correct? Answer, he made several
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  Speaker 1: trips with different legs on the trip, as I recall. Question,
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  Speaker 1: but he flew on Jeffrey Epstein's planes 17 to 26 times? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he did. Question, were you aware that Secret Service was
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  Speaker 1: dropped on some of those flights? Answer, that's not my understanding. Question,
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  Speaker 1: they were not on some of the flights? Answer, that's
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  Speaker 1: not my understanding. Question, so your understanding is that Secret
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  Speaker 1: Service was on all the flights that President Clinton took
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  Speaker 1: with Epstein? Answer, that's my understanding. Question, by this standard
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  Speaker 1: of behavior, multiple credible accusers, including Juanita Broderick, who alleged
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  Speaker 1: rape against your husband, your husband was disbarred in Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: lost his law license before the Supreme Court, flew on
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's plane dozens of times, visited Epstein's Island, according... Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: that's not true. That's absolutely untrue. Nancy Mace. Well, there's
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  Speaker 1: documentation in the DOJ files. I'm not sure you're aware.
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  Speaker 1: Your attorneys have told you. But Jeffrey Epstein told one
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  Speaker 1: of the victims to lie to investigators to lie that
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton was ever on Epstein's island. I can provide
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  Speaker 1: the document to your attorneys. The attorney jumps in. We'd
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  Speaker 1: like to see that document, please. Mace, I can do that.
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  Speaker 1: Now the lawyer. Counsel. Because actually the files say just
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  Speaker 1: the opposite. Epstein himself denied that he was on the island. Question. Question.
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  Speaker 1: These are FBI notes from an interview with a victim.
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  Speaker 1: And I can get you the victim number and the
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  Speaker 1: case number in the files. These are notes from a
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  Speaker 1: 302 interview. Answer, are you going to provide those now? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that's not my line of questioning. She brought it up,
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  Speaker 1: but I have the document. Lawyer jumps in. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: you're making a representation as to the facts. Mace cuts
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  Speaker 1: the lawyer off. I didn't enter anything as an exhibit. Lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: but it's factually inaccurate. Nancy Mays, no, I can give
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  Speaker 1: it to you later. I can go find the document,
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  Speaker 1: make copies of it, and give it to you this afternoon. Hey, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: Virginia said she saw Bill Clinton on the island. So
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  Speaker 1: do you think Virginia's lying about that? And why would
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  Speaker 1: she lie? She didn't say anything bad about him. She
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  Speaker 1: just said he was on the island. Mace, okay, by
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  Speaker 1: your standard of pattern of behavior, according to documents released
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  Speaker 1: by the DOJ, your husband appears in photos and swimming pools,
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  Speaker 1: hot tubs, aboard Epstein's private plane with unidentified young women.
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  Speaker 1: We came here today, and you told this committee that
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  Speaker 1: a pattern of behavior demands accountability, correct? Answer, I said
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  Speaker 1: I believe the committee should call anyone who had a
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  Speaker 1: substantial pattern and practice of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and
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  Speaker 1: his crimes before they came to light. Question, and does
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  Speaker 1: that include your husband? Answer, and after they came to light.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have a chance to question him tomorrow. Mace,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll ask you again. By the standard you just
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  Speaker 1: said in your own words just now, does that standard
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  Speaker 1: apply equally to your husband or only to President Trump? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I've said that my husband has been subpoenaed. He'll appear.
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  Speaker 1: He'll answer your questions to the best of his ability.
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  Speaker 1: But there is no evidence whatsoever of any connection with
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. And I think that will obviously be
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  Speaker 1: apparent in the questioning. Well, let's slow down on that.
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  Speaker 1: What about financial crimes? If Jeffrey Epstein was running a
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  Speaker 1: criminal enterprise and Bill Clinton got any money from him,
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  Speaker 1: that might be an issue. Question. What makes you so
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  Speaker 1: sure of that then? I mean, he's photographed with criminals.
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  Speaker 1: Lawyer jumps in. Objection. You're asking her to speculate on
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  Speaker 1: something that's not in evidence. Answer by Clinton. It's so speculative.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, swimming in a pool, sitting in a hot tub.
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  Speaker 1: There are millions of people who do that without any
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  Speaker 1: improper behavior. or is certainly committing any crimes. Mace, do
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  Speaker 1: you think that most of the men are like your
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  Speaker 1: husband that did anything wrong by where they're being surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by young women giving them massages on Epstein's private estate
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  Speaker 1: or private planes? Are they all innocent then? Answer, you're
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  Speaker 1: making assumptions in your questions that have not been proven
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  Speaker 1: and I don't believe are provable. Question, okay, why did
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  Speaker 1: you wait six months to have this hearing today or
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  Speaker 1: have this testimony? Answer, I've answered that. I thought that
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  Speaker 1: given the way the other witnesses who were subpoenaed at
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  Speaker 1: the same time were being treated, that there was an
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  Speaker 1: unfair treatment of both my husband and myself. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that especially from my perspective. I had very little, if any,
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  Speaker 1: information to provide you and that I could have done
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  Speaker 1: it in a sworn statement and you could have moved
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  Speaker 1: on to depose somebody else who might have more information
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  Speaker 1: that would be beneficial to your investigation. Nancy Mace, I
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  Speaker 1: have two more questions. Then we're going to pass it
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  Speaker 1: to Congresswoman Luna. After Jeffrey Epstein was convicted, did it
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  Speaker 1: concern you at all that he'd taken a substantial amount
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  Speaker 1: of money from Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, that's an inappropriate assumption.
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  Speaker 1: I did not take a substantial amount of money from Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: So as far as I know, Jeffrey Epstein contributed to
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  Speaker 1: the joint committee that was supporting my Senate race. Question,
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  Speaker 1: which was how much? Answer, I believe $ 20, 000. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't consider $ 20, 000 substantial? Answer, I do not consider
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  Speaker 1: it relevant to me. because I have no recollection that
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  Speaker 1: I ever knew that he gave any money to the
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  Speaker 1: Joint Committee. Nancy May. so you didn't talk to your
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  Speaker 1: donors that gave 20,000 to your campaign? Answer, my understanding
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  Speaker 1: of the rules back then is that there was no
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  Speaker 1: coordination between the committee and my campaign. So no, I
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  Speaker 1: have no recollection of knowing that. Question, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean you can't speak to your donors. That doesn't prohibit,
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  Speaker 1: the law doesn't prohibit you speaking to your donors. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't know he was a donor. As far
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  Speaker 1: as I knew, he was not a donor until I
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  Speaker 1: learned that in preparation for this testimony. Question, did it
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  Speaker 1: concern you at all that Maxwell was heavily involved with
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  Speaker 1: people that you knew and were close to? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: knew people that knew her. Yes, that's true. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you just shrugged. You didn't want to look into it
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  Speaker 1: or have any questions about it? Answer, until her crimes
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  Speaker 1: were revealed and she was indicted and tried and convicted,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people knew very much about at all
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  Speaker 1: what she was doing. Question, And then, how do you
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  Speaker 1: know Howard Lutnick? Answer, I know Howard Lutnick because when
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  Speaker 1: I was a senator on 9-11, the firm he headed,
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  Speaker 1: Kenner Fitzgerald, suffered the greatest loss of life. As I recall,
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  Speaker 1: something like 650 of his employees were murdered by terrorists
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  Speaker 1: that day. Howard Lutnick missed being a victim because he
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  Speaker 1: was delayed dropping his child off at kindergarten. Nancy Mace,
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  Speaker 1: I know that. I asked how you knew him. Lawyer
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  Speaker 1: jumps in, you ask the question, let her finish. Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: You asked a question. I'm going to answer your question. Mace,
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  Speaker 1: now you're going to yell at me? Clinton, this was
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  Speaker 1: what I spent my time doing. I spent. Mace jumps in.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to yell at me? I'm a survivor trying
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  Speaker 1: to look out for other survivors trying to take care
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  Speaker 1: of one another. Clinton, and I was taking care of
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  Speaker 1: people who lost 3,000 lives at the World Trade Center.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, I waited six months to get here today.
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  Speaker 1: Six months, and now you're being defiant and indignant today? Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: you asked me about Howard Lutnick. Mace, I have now.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein survivors, I'm a survivor myself. You have emails you've
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  Speaker 1: denied that you've tried to get Jeffrey Epstein to give
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  Speaker 1: you money. She gets cut off by Clinton. I did not.
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  Speaker 1: Now Clinton's cut off by Mace. But Howard Lutnick was
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  Speaker 1: used to get money. Cut off by Clinton. If you
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  Speaker 1: have an email with me asking Epstein for money. Mace,
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  Speaker 1: I have an email from Howard Lutnick sending it to
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. Lawyer jumps in. What was the question? Mace,
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  Speaker 1: and his people to raise money for you, for an event,
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  Speaker 1: an intimate event, for you at his office at Cantor Fitzgerald. Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: if you let me finish, Mace cuts her off again,
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  Speaker 1: and Officegate, and say to this committee you didn't try
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  Speaker 1: to get money from Epstein. Clinton, I didn't. Mace, well,
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  Speaker 1: there's an intimate event in an email that Howard Lutnick
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  Speaker 1: emailed to Epstein's people, and Epstein to get him to
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  Speaker 1: come to your intimate event at Cantor Fitzgerald, a very
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  Speaker 1: small event, and so I'm not going to put up
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  Speaker 1: with it, If you want to yell at me, that's fine,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll yell back, okay? I'm looking out for survivors.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing the job that you refused to do as
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  Speaker 1: Secretary of State. Thank you, and I yield back to
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  Speaker 1: Congresswoman Luna. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: right there, and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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  Speaker 1: we'll pick up where we left off. All the information
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  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found... in the
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  Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off with the Hillary Clinton
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  Speaker 1: transcript from her trip to Congress. Clinton, no, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to finish answering the question, which I have a right
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  Speaker 1: to do. I am very sympathetic to your personal situation.
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  Speaker 1: I've read about it. I've seen you testify or speak
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  Speaker 1: on the floor about it. And I very much sympathize
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  Speaker 1: with not only what you went through, but appreciate your
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  Speaker 1: effort to stand up for survivors. I was a senator
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  Speaker 1: representing the people who were murdered on 9-11. Nobody lost
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  Speaker 1: more people than Howard Ludnick. You can say whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: You can call them and have them appear before the committee.
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  Speaker 1: But I knew him as the man who lost employees
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  Speaker 1: that he knew intimately, including his brother, Nancy Mace, and
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  Speaker 1: he was a go-between between you and Jeffrey Epstein raising
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  Speaker 1: money for you. Clinton's lawyer jumps in. Let her finish
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  Speaker 1: your answer, please. Let her finish your answer. Hillary Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? If you don't want to hear what
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  Speaker 1: emotionally affected me, that's fine. But that's why I know
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  Speaker 1: Howard Lutnick. I went to the memorial service every 9-11
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  Speaker 1: after the formal service was held with all of his
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  Speaker 1: people and his families. Nancy Mace, he was a go-between
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  Speaker 1: for you and Jeffrey Epstein, even raising money for your campaign. Clinton, well,
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  Speaker 1: Howard Lutnick and I did work together. Nancy Mace, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I will now yield to you, Congresswoman Luna. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Clinton finishes, because we have a lot of victims that
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  Speaker 1: take care, to take care of, and we work together
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  Speaker 1: to rebuild downtown Manhattan. That's how I know Howard Lutnick.
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  Speaker 1: Chairman Comer jumps in. Why don't you move here? Want
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  Speaker 1: to get over here? Anna Paulina Luna, fine, I'll do
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  Speaker 1: the heavy lifting per usual. Paulina Luna, okay, am I good? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton, thank you for being here today. Clinton, thank you, Congresswoman. Question.
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  Speaker 1: President Clinton has stated that he severed ties with Epstein
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  Speaker 1: around 2005 prior to the 2008 conviction. Were you involved
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  Speaker 1: or informed of any communication, email, calls, or meetings related
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  Speaker 1: to distancing the foundation and or your family after those
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  Speaker 1: 2008 convictions? Answer. I was not. Question. You had mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that this committee had avoided calling people to testify who
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  Speaker 1: should be sitting here. I would like to show you
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  Speaker 1: some emails. If the staff could please pass out to
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  Speaker 1: the members of And the Secretary, EFTA 00878421 and EFTA 00705860, please,
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  Speaker 1: so she can see it. This will be Exhibit 14
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  Speaker 1: and 15 for the majority. Question, and I'll wait for
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  Speaker 1: you to get them so you can see them. Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Speaker jumps in, unnamed speaker. Thank you very much,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much. Are these two separate? Paulina Luna, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Question by the lawyer. Thank you. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: pass them down because I have more for my colleagues. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: one more here. Question. They're the same. There's two documents there.
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  Speaker 1: Paulina Luna. Yeah, there are two emails. Both different EFTAs.
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  Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton. Would you please read EFTA 00705860? You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to read from. It's to Jeffrey Epstein. But you
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  Speaker 1: could read the context of the email. Unnamed speaker jumps in. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: could you state that number again? Is the number at
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  Speaker 1: the bottom? Paulina Luna, yeah, it's at the bottom. It's
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  Speaker 1: EFTA 00705860. Speaker, this is Majority 14. Other speaker jumps in,
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  Speaker 1: and these are all unnamed people. 14, yes, sir. Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for a fun night. Your littlest girl was
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  Speaker 1: a little naughty. Paulina Luna, how does that make you feel? Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: it makes me sick. Question, if you can read. The
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  Speaker 1: EFTA 00878421. This is also another email. Can you please
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  Speaker 1: just provide the context? It's an email to Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: If you could just read the context of what it is. Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: of course. The OH Jesus. Ohio Jesus. Oh Jesus. Paulina Luna.
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  Speaker 1: And just the main body and context of the email.
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. Oh. Said that she felt God's presence next
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  Speaker 1: to her when she was in bed. She knows that
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  Speaker 1: Jesus watches over her and he helped save her life. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? Answer, it's bizarre. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it means. Question, the reason that I
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  Speaker 1: asked you to read both of these is because these
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  Speaker 1: emails were both sent by co-conspirators that were then given
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  Speaker 1: the plea deals and now have been given victim status.
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  Speaker 1: Both of these women were also named on an FBI
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  Speaker 1: document and they're on a number of other emails. Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe that the Department of Justice should reevaluate the
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  Speaker 1: plea deals for some of these women? Given that, as
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  Speaker 1: you can see, they have clearly done some things, probably
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  Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have? Answer, I don't know the status
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  Speaker 1: of whether that would be legally possible, so I have
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  Speaker 1: no opinion. Question, I think outside the statute of limitations,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: they might be able to reinvestigate under the civil rights violations.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Would you be in favor of that, or looking into
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: any of the co-conspirators that were given plea deals down
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to victim status if they're credible evidence that they were
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: trafficking young girls? And look, I get what Luna's saying here,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and I agree, as you all know, get rid of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the NPA. But shouldn't she be pushing for people like
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Leon Black to face the same kind of criticism? Answer.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I think it should be pursued. Question. Okay, hold on.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I'd like to also show you another EFTA. If the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: staff can also pass this to the secretary. It's EFTA 016-56-217.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And this would be Exhibit 16 for the majority. Question.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And I'd also like to reflect on those previous EVFTAs.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: The EFTA 00705860, that was actually sent by a woman
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: by the name of Susan Hamlin. And then the other
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: EFTA 00878421 was sent by a woman named Nadia, who's
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: also listed in other files as well. Answer, is this
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: single pages? Question, yes it is. Answer, oh sorry. Question,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton. This was actually added in an FBI briefing
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: document when Epstein was in his New York trial. If
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you can look at the top left, the individual photo,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: who is that individual? Answer, I can't tell. It's a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: small blurry picture. Question, okay, for those who want to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: pull up the file, the photo of Jeffrey Epstein, this
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: is actually a passport that was given. The individual's name
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: is Marcus Robert Fortinelli. Do you think that this is
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a sign or a telltale sign of intelligence operation and pseudonames? Clinton,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I can't speculate. I don't know. Question, okay, victims have
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: stated to this committee, both Democrats and Republicans, that during
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Epstein's time, during his day camp, is what I'll call it,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that he was also in active communication with Bush's CIA director.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: They also stated that he had an active ties to Russia, Israel,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and Iran. Given your status, not just as First Lady,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: but also in your secretary position, have you ever been
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: targeted by any of these countries as means of a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: foreign intelligence gathering operation? Are you aware of potential vulnerabilities? Answer, yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I was targeted by Russia in the 2016 campaign. I mean,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty well known. Paulina Luna. And what
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: about Israel or Iran? Answer. I don't know about either
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Israel or Iran. Question. Okay. Do you believe that Epstein
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: was running potentially a honeypot operation with intelligence gathering operations
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to collect information on high profile individuals, both Democrat and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Republican of the United States in an effort to sway
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: our foreign policy? Is it possible? Answer. I have no
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: direct knowledge, but I think it's one of the areas
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: your committee should investigate. Question, do you think it's possible? Answer, well,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I certainly think it's possible. It's a tried and true
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: technique of certain intelligence agencies. Question, do you believe that
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: he was using honeypots in an effort to inaudible? Answer,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I can't speculate. I don't know. Question, okay. And the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: topic of transparency, Secretary, were you ever denied access or
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: did you ever inquire on the topic of UAP or
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Gilgamesh in your official personal capacity and why? Answer, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: was never denied access because I never asked for access.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Question okay. And in the efforts of having a transparent
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: government and restoring faith within our country, do you believe
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that the American people deserve to access to those topics?
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Answer I do. Subject to any national security implication, I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: think the information should be made available. I think that's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: been ordered, or at least I read that that's been ordered.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Question and lastly, before I yield my time, Chairman Comer.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that you were personally a target of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: an intelligence gathering operation specifically pertaining to Glenn Maxwell or
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. I have no reason to believe that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't have any information. Question. Okay. Thank you, Chairman.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I yield my time. Chairman Comer. Thank you. Representative Fallon.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Now we have Pat Fallon, who's a representative for the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Republicans asking the questions. Okay. All right. Good. I'm Pat Fallon,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: 4th District of Texas. Clinton, Pat Fallon, okay. Question. Native
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of Massachusetts, but no one would ever vote for me there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I moved to Texas, so ma'am, I'm a pretty simple guy.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I just want to keep things simple and just ask
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you some questions and give you a chance to respond. So,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: July 25th. An unanimous oversight subcommittee voted to subpoena yourself
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and your husband. And on the 25th of August, Chairman Comer...
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: issued a lawful subpoena, which I would think it's fair
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to say you didn't cooperate. There was a lot of delays.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It was August. We're now in February. The deposition was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: set in December. Then it was delayed and moved to January.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And now we're here in February. We all get accused
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of things. The higher you go up the ladder, the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: more people are accused of. If I don't have anything
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to hide, I'm eager to come in and testify. I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: just find that interesting. Why the delay for six months? Answer, Well,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I think as I've said, we negotiated in good faith.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And I believe the committee negotiated in good faith for
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a while because we thought at least I'll speak for
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: myself that I could provide whatever information I had, which
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: was not much in the same form that you accepted
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: it from former attorneys general and FBI directors who had
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: much more direct knowledge or could have had much more
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: direct knowledge about the investigation you were conducting. and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: found it bewildering that I couldn't provide what I knew
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: in writing under penalty of perjury as others had done.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Question okay, and I'd say better late than never, so
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. In September of 22, ABC program
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: The View had you on as the guest, and you
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: were quoted as saying, no one is above the law.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Do you still agree with that? Answer, I agree with that. Question,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: as do I, and I think Senator Clinton, that's why
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you're here. Answer, I absolutely agree with that. Question, when
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, I never met
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. Question, you never met? Okay. When did you
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: first meet Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer, I have no recollection of
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: when I first met her. Question, so you might have
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: met her, but you don't remember? Answer, I do not. Question, okay,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: so obviously. Describe your relationship as pretty much non-existent with
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: both of them then. Answer, yeah. I had at least
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: casual acquaintance with her. I had nothing with him. Question, okay.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Would you describe your husband's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein as limited, cordial, close? Answer,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: limited for a limited period of time with respect to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: using his airplane. Question, okay. And how about your husband's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: relationship with Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I think they knew each
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: other for a longer period of time. Question, okay. So
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: for the record, in 1992, Epstein donated a grand to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: your husband's presidential campaign in 93, 10 grand to the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: White House, historical association while you were in the White
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: House and your husband were. And then he visited the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: White House, as I've said, I think ad nauseum 17
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: times from 93 to 95. And then in 99, a $ 20, 000
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: donation to the Senate campaign or an affiliate allied campaign.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And then in 2006, 25 grand to the Clinton Foundation.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And then post-Clinton presidency, your husband was on the plane
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: somewhere in the neighborhood of 26 times, right? Answer, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: can't vouch for everything you're going to say. I can't
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: vouch for. Question, all right, but you're not disputing it. Answer, no,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not accepting it, but I can't vouch for it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I can't respond to it. Question, okay, all right, in 2008,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of two felony counts, correct? Answer,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: were they felonies? I don't recall. Question, they were federal felonies, yeah. Answer,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: were they felonies? Lawyer jumps in, state felonies. Hillary, state felonies, okay. Fallon,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Felonies nonetheless. Okay, so just bear with me on this,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: because again, give you a chance to respond. Your husband
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: ran for governor five times. The last time, in 1990,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: or 86, I think he almost got a half a
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: million votes. In 92, he got 45 million votes, 47
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: million in 96. When you ran in 2008, you got
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: nearly 20 million in the primary. And he was governor,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you were senator, secretary of state, he was president. You've
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: met hundreds of thousands of people, probably, way more than
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the average typical person would. And my point here is,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: all these millions of people that supported you and your husband,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands that you met, in 2010, one of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the most significant events of your life is going to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: be your daughter's, your only daughter's wedding. You have 500
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: wedding guests from all reports. That means there's a groom involved,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: so you're distilling down to 250. Only 250 people can attend.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And it's your testimony that, how did Ms. Maxwell end
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: up at the wedding? Clinton, she was a guest at
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Ted Way, who was a longtime family friend. Question, so
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: it was just an odd coincidence that she was at
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: one of the most? Oh, I mean, that's fine. If
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that's your testimony, that's your testimony. Clinton, I was not
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: telling my dates who their guests could, or my guests
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: who their dates could be. Question, it's just an odd coincidence. Okay, see?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Would you describe your husband as a smart guy? Speaker
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: 4 jumps in. Excuse me? Are you asking her to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: testify about her husband? Pat Fallon, I'm not. Question, because
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: he's going to be here tomorrow, so you can ask
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: questions to the witness that are for her. But it
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: seems to me that you're asking questions that are, require,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: an opinion. Fallon, how long have you been married? Can
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I ask that? Answer, oh, I do have an answer
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for that. 50 years. Question, he's a pretty smart guy
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: by all accounts. Would you agree with that? Highly intelligent.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I think he is. I didn't vote for him, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I think he is. We can agree on that, right?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's controversial, counselor, because everybody
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that I've ever met that has met your husband and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: has first-hand experience describes him as the smartest guy in
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the room when you're in the room. Very smart. Scary recall.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: If he meets you 20 years later, he remembers what
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you wore, what they were saying, which is a great
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: tool and asset when you're a politician. So this is
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: great recall. I'm sure it served him well in his
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: political career. So given, I just find it surprising that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: that in January 26, he all sent a joint letter
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: from you and him, where you asserted that he, he quote,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: didn't recall encountering Mr. Epstein or any specific interactions with
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: him while in office. Hillary Clinton, that was his recollection. Question, okay,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: but even though we established that he was in the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: White House, Epstein, I'm talking about 17 times, and there's
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: a public report that there were personal tours given, not
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: only in the White House, but even the residence, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: somebody that smart just happened to not remember any of it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Lawyer jumps in. This witness can answer questions about her
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: own declaration about what she recalls are new. Again, the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: president is going to be here tomorrow. All right, folks,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up with Pat Fallon
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: asking questions. All the information that goes with this episode
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton transcript from her conversation with Congress. Question, okay,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: but even though we've established that he was in the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: White House, Epstein, I'm talking about... about 17 times, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: there's a public report that there were personal tours given,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: not only in the White House, but even the residence,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and somebody that smart just happened not to remember any
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of it. Lawyer for Clinton jumps in. This witness can
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: answer the question about her own declaration about what she
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: recalls are new. Again, the president is going to be
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: here tomorrow. question all right well your client talked about
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: patterns in practice and Bill Clinton her husband said that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: he doesn't remember meeting Epstein during his time in office
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: took trips with him on his plane to New York
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: England Japan China Singapore Bangkok Brunei Rwanda Mozambique South Africa
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: France Norway and many more so it's really not a
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: question of where they went together but where they didn't
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: go together do you know how the colloquial name for St.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: James Island Clinton, no. Question? It's Epstein Island, okay? I'll
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: refer to it in both contexts. To your knowledge, did
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: your husband ever visit Little St. James? Answer, not to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: my knowledge. Question? Okay, do you know who Doug Band is? Answer,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: he worked for my husband for years. Question, so by
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: reports on the press, he was a key architect of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the Bill Clinton post-presidency, a top aide, the body man,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the fixer, counselor, and close advisor. Would you disagree with
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: any of those? Answer, he worked for him in a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: number of capacities. Question, about 10 years? 02 to 2012,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I think it was. Answer, he worked for him, I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: don't know. Question, fair to say? Give or take a decade? Okay.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: He's on the record as asserting that Mr. Clinton did
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: indeed visit Epstein's Island. Do you think he's lying? Answer, yes. Question,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: why would he lie? Answer, I don't know, you'd have
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to ask him. Question, okay. Then you know Virginia? Have
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you heard of Virginia? I'm sure you didn't meet her,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: but have you heard of Virginia? Answer, I've heard about
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: her in press coverage. Answer, I didn't meet her either.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: She was a victim of Mr. Epstein. Tragically, she didn't survive.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: She's no longer with us. She testified under oath that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: she saw Mr. Clinton on Epstein's island two separate occasions.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: You think she's lying? Answer, I have no information whatsoever
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: that he was ever on the island. Question, and just
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to be fair, why do you think that is? I mean,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that's my question. Answer, I'm not going to offer my opinion. Question,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: all right, that's fair. Answer, I don't have any information. Question,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: further to your point earlier, about practices and patterns, now
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: there's a third person, Steve Scully. Have you heard of him? Answer, who? Question,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Steve Scully. Answer, Steve Scully. Answer, yes. Question, I know
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of a Steve Scully. By, who was at Apple? Question, well,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: he was an IT contractor on the infamous aforementioned island.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: He also asserts that he saw a Mr. Clinton and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that this is a quote from him lounging around the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: porch area of Little St. James Villa. It's just oddly specific.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this third person was lying as well? Answer,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know information about Mr. Scully. Question, I wanted
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to ask you that because I find that odd. It's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a pattern in practice, as you mentioned. Have you ever
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: visited Epstein Island or Little St. James Island? Clinton, no. Question, okay,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: so just to be clear, is it your testimony that,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: for instance, you've never flew in a private plane, flew
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: into St. Thomas Airport, and then didn't enter the terminal,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: but instead boarded a helicopter to Little St. James Island?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: You never did that? Answer, I did not. Question, okay,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: so Virginia Roberts, who we just talked about, who we
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: all find highly credible, I think in a bipartisan manner,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: stated that Mr. Clinton walked into Vanity Fair and threatened them,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and that they better not write and expose the detailing
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the crimes of his good friend Jeffrey Epstein. Do you
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: find that troubling at all? Answer, I find that not believable. Question, okay,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: let's turn to the current administration, President Trump, because you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: said some pretty choice words. of the administration and President Trump,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: aggressive and even some coupled with incendiary claims about President
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Trump and his DOJ. Fair to say that you would
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: not describe them as transparent? Answer, I would not describe
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: them as transparent. Question okay, how about you were an
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: enthusiastic supporter of Joe Biden and Vice President Harris when
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: each of them respectively ran for president? Clinton, I was.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Question okay, would you describe the Biden-Harris administration as As
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: an administration that was committed to transparency? Answer, to the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: best of their ability. Question, okay. You also asserted, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: if I get this wrong, please let me know, or
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: at least insinuated, that President Trump was closer to Epstein
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: than your husband socially. Answer, I think there's an enormous
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: amount of evidence that goes back many, many years demonstrating
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: their relationship. Question, okay. Do you know how many times
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein visited the Trump 45 White House? Answer, I
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: do not know. Question, by all accounts, in evidence, zero.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And how many times did he visit the Clinton White House? Answer,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, it was 17 times. How much
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: did Jeffrey Epstein ever donate to Trump politically? Answer, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: have no idea. Question, there was zero. But we have
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: established that he donated to either you or your husband,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: your committee's 21 grand. Agree? Answer, I have no information
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that is personally based about their relationship. Question, Jeffrey Epstein
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: donated $ 35, 000 to foundations. One was a $ 10, 000 donation. to
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the White House Historical Society in 93, when the Clintons,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: your family, was in the White House. He donated, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: then there was a 2006 donation to the Clinton Foundation.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: He donated similarly to the Trump White House. Never. No
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: foundations either. How many pages of Epstein files were released
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: by the Oversight Committee in 2021 to 2023 when the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Democrats were in the majority? Answer, I have no idea. Question,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it was zero. Answer, but there was also an ongoing investigation... of,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I believe, Glenn Maxwell during that time period. Question, so
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the answer is, I can share with you, was zero.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: How many pages did the Biden Department of Justice release
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: from the Epstein files from 21 to 25? Answer, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: have no information. I have no personal information. I've read
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that because of the trial of Glenn Maxwell. That was
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: not done, but I have no personal information. Question, yeah, okay, well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that was zero. And that ended quite a bit ago.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: There were no images and there were no videos. When
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you compare the GOP Oversight Committee, when we took over
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: in January of 23 to present, there were 65,000 documents
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that had been released. And then how many videos? There
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: was nothing under the Biden administration. There was no images
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: as well. There's been 180,000 images, 200,000 videos, and now
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: over 3 million pages. So when you compare them, that's
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: an odd definition of who's transparent and who isn't. Last thing,
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  Speaker 1: we've established that there's a $ 20, 000 donation that Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: made to an affiliated allied campaign to get you elected
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  Speaker 1: to the presidency. Have you returned or donated that? He
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: got convicted in 2008 of two felony counts. Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever returned the $ 20, 000? Answer, it didn't come to my campaign.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I was not in charge of it. Question, so you've
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: never donated that to charity? Answer, I've donated many, many
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars. Lawyer jumps in, congressman. I'd
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: like to know the facts in the record that show
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein donated to her presidential campaign. Answer. By Clinton. No,
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about the Senate campaign, I think. Pat Fallon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They're not privileged. Question. 1998 was the Senate.
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  Speaker 1: You're right. I stand corrected. I think that would be
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  Speaker 1: a nice suggestion. Next up, Representative Cloud from Texas. Clinton. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: could you identify yourself? Representative Cloud. Michael Cloud. 27th, Texas. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and thank you for being here, Madam Secretary. You were
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: asked if Jeffrey Epstein played a role in shaping the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Clinton Global Initiative. Is it correct to say that you
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: have mentioned that you do not know whether this was
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the case or not? Answer, I have no information. Question,
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  Speaker 1: we have a letter, of course, from Epstein's lawyer stating
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that he was, and I quote, was part of the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative. If you
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: do not know, who would know? Answer, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: because I was not involved. Question, you don't know who
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  Speaker 1: was involved in the beginning? Answer, well, my husband was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: obviously involved. Question, so your husband would know at least? Answer, well,
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  Speaker 1: you certainly can ask him. Okay, similarly, you've mentioned that
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you do not know how the funds were recruited to
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the Clinton Global Initiative. Is that an accurate understanding of
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  Speaker 1: your testimony today? Answer, no donations were made. Lots of donations.
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  Speaker 1: Many individual groups, businesses, philanthropies have donated money to the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Clinton Global Initiative? Answer, yeah, sure. What was the process
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  Speaker 1: of recruiting those donations, I guess? Or what was your
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: understanding of it or your involvement in it? Answer, some
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of it was spontaneous. Some of it was through the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: team that helps to raise money. It's a combination of
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: supporting charitable work. Question, do you know if Jeffrey Epstein
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: was involved in helping find donors, recruit donors? Answer, I
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: have no reason to believe that. I don't know. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know if he was involved in donor relations
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  Speaker 1: in any way? Answer, I have no, as I say,
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  Speaker 1: reason to believe it, but I don't know. Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you know who would know? Answer, the people who were
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: involved in raising the money, but I was not involved
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: with CGI in those early years. Question, what about when
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you were there? Answer, I have no knowledge that Jeffrey
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Epstein was involved at all. Question, how many, roughly, staff
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: members are there in the Clinton Global Initiative? Answer, it
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: was varied over the years, but hundreds. Question, and involved
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: with donor relations? Answer, dozens, I suppose. Question, dozens? Okay.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: As best we know, it's been public reported that in 2024,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell, or Ghislaine, I think is how you pronounce it,
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  Speaker 1: arranged a... wired $ 1 million to a publicist group for
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the inaugural CGI event, referring to it internally as the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Clinton Project. Epstein was copied on related emails and questioned
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  Speaker 1: the timing and destination of the funds. Were you aware
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: of this $ 1 million payment? Answer, I was not. Questioned,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Were you aware of it before today? Answer, no. Well,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: in preparing for this. Question, in preparation, you were made known. Okay,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: do you know who would have known? Answer, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if it's true, so I have no way
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  Speaker 1: of telling you. Question, you don't know who had the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Clinton Global Initiative? What staff would have handled million-dollar donations
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: or bill relationships? Answer, I didn't go. It went to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: a group called Publicis, which is not a Clinton Global Initiative,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: so I would not know. question while the email said
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: it was for the Clinton Project. Answer, first of all,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I have no idea whether that's true. And secondly, it
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: went to a third party. Question, okay, Maxwell was honored
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: and given complimentary access at the 2013 CGI conference for
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: your ocean conservation work. Years after public allegations against her
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and Epstein were public, were you involved in approving participants
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: or honorees at the CGI events? Answer, I was not.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: but I don't know that there were public allegations at
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that point in time, so I can't respond to that. Question,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: so you were not involved in approval? Answer, I was not. Question,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you didn't know what was going on or that she
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: was going to be honored at the events? Answer, no,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I was not. Question, do you know who would have known? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: whoever staff was at the time, but there's been a
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: lot of staff turnover in 20 plus years. Question, a
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: number of things you've mentioned today. You've mentioned that you've
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: not been able to recall, and that's understandable. Is it
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: possible that any of the information that you have not
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: been able to recall would have been found in 30,000
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: emails that went missing? Answer, no, I don't believe so.
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  Speaker 1: I had no reason to believe that. So it's not
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: that I'm not recalling things that were there. I don't
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: recall at all. Question, very good. Unfortunately, I have to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: catch a flight. Thank you for your time. All right, folks,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up with Representative Timmons
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: from South Carolina. All the information that goes with this
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