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UN climate conference riddled with 1984 newspeak · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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Mainstream media has betrayed our trust.
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Rather than tell us the whole story about the important issues of the day, they tell us only what they want us to hear.
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Your hosts, Tom Harris and Todd Royal, will bring you the other side of the story.
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In George Orwell's novel, 1984, he introduces a fictional politically correct language called Newspeak.
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Newspeak was designed to limit thought by reducing vocabulary and simplifying expression.
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Its purpose was to make dissent impossible by eliminating words that could articulate rebellion or complexity.
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In Orwell's dystopia, controlling language meant controlling minds.
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This concept resonates powerfully in today's climate debate.
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Terms like carbon pollution, reframe carbon dioxide, a naturally occurring gas essential to life as a toxic threat.
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The phrase evokes emergency and moral clarity, but it's grossly misleading.
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Similarly, calling forests the lungs of the earth, anthropomorphizes ecosystems, creating emotional appeal while sidestepping ecological complexity.
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Green energy, which we'll talk about first, suggests purity and virtue, yet ignores the environmental costs of mining, manufacturing, and land use associated with renewable technologies.
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These emotionally charged phrases, they're like a modern newspeak.
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They shape perception, discourage critical inquiry, and narrow the range of acceptable options in polite society.
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All this is on full display with the climate change newspeak coming out of COP 30 this year's United Nations Climate Conference in Brazil.
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Todd, how about we go over some of the statements coming from delegates and see if they constitute modern newspeak?
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Well, I think they do.
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So good to hear from you and see you as always, Tom.
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Green energy.
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That's I think that's always been my favorite one because we've talked about it.
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Uh I've written three books with Ron Stein, and we wrote uh we were at one on the greening of an electrical grid, or you know, green electricity.
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I've come to call renewables, let's define renewables, wind, solar.
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Um, I'd throw hydropower in there, quite honestly, batteries.
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I call those things alternative energy, right?
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So anything that cannot run 24-765, which a damn can't.
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I don't know.
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Did you see what's going on in Iran right now?
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Speaking of hydropower.
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No, I haven't.
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Uh, they're under severe drought to where the mayor of Tehran said that if they don't get rain and fill up their reservoirs soon, they're talking about um evacuating the city.
3:03
Wow.
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So Tehran is is run largely by hydropower.
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Well, hydropower plus their reservoirs, they're so in other words, they that the two tend to work hand in hand.
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So I refer to green, what someone refer to as green.
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Some people think nuclear power is green as alternative energy.
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The the part that amazes me, and really is let's talk about this news speak, which 1984 is a great book, by the way.
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Every single piece of a wind turbine, a battery energy, solar energy storage system at grid, a solar panel, a electric vehicle, a hydropower dam, every single component comes from fossil fuels.
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Yeah, every every single bit.
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I don't know of one place on earth where a factory is run 24-7, 365 off the wind or the sun to make all of the components to produce solar panels, wind turbines, electric vehicles, or batteries.
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I don't know one place that uses mining that's electric and that is powered by the wind and the sun.
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So every part of the manufacturing, the mining, the refining, the processing of the rare earth metals and minerals, the steel, the concrete, the rebar, the iron, and on and the transportation of all these things, along with all the diesel, the oil, the natural gas that is used in the chemical processing plants to put all this together.
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There's nothing green about it.
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I'll throw it back to you.
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Do you do you know the process of making a solar panel?
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Not very well, no.
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Okay.
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It's made out of you know, silica, which is poly, then becomes polysilicone.
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If you look up and people, you hear this all the time now.
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China's leading the world in green energy and renewables.
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What's so stupid about that?
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And either those people are lying, or they they're no idea what they're talking about, maybe both, is that to make polysilicone is considered one of the most heavy manufacturing energy intensive processes that you can do.
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So if you were to really look at the quote unquote carbon emissions that you're saving by using the sun for fuel, which is only one part, which is the marginal cost, the cost, okay, that's free, but everything else isn't.
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I could make the case that a solar panel is much dirtier than a coal-fired power plant.
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Well, yeah, and and they're making the solar power with coal in the first place.
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Exactly.
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Same thing with a wind turbine, and then of course, the old notion, you know, when you're hooking up an electric vehicle, you know, oh, I'm just using electricity.
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What people don't realize is that electricity is nothing without an input.
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You have components that have been put together to produce electricity, but you have to have an input.
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You have is it the sun?
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Is it the wind?
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Is it water?
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Is it coal or natural gas or nuclear or oil?
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Electricity doesn't just take place.
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Like it's not like, oh, I could put something in the ocean and have a tide coming, you know, tidal wave energy, things like that.
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But you have to have an input to produce electricity.
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That's the other thing I get with all these cop people.
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This electrification when I go, oh, okay, but where do you think electricity comes from?
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What do you think all the components of a grid constitute?
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And on it, so to me, Tom, it's such newspeak because there's nothing green about it, it's just alternative energy.
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Which let's say off-grid, or hey Tom, I want an electric vehicle because I think it's cool and it drives kind of differently, and I'm doing this kind of commute.
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Great, but don't think you're quote unquote doing something for the air or pollution on the ground or better water or good sewage systems, or the eradication of you know, insect-borne illnesses onto people or plants or fertilizer, you're doing none of that.
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So when Gavin Newsom says, as he apparently is in the conference, that they're going to have their state leading in clean energy transitions.
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There's two problems there.
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We'll talk about the transitions part in a minute, but it's not clean energy.
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Well, there's nothing clean about it.
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It I think what's interesting is you go, okay, let's you and I let's be for this right now.
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Let's do an exercise.
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Okay.
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Which what which we both know.
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What which part is that?
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When you're finally running the actual system and you get electricity out of it after it's made.
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Yeah, the wind and the sun.
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Yeah, the wind and the sun are free.
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They are coming, they are coming to us.
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Now, you and I both know what's the problem.
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They're intermittent.
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The other problem is you destroy your electrical grid, as we just saw in Spain, as we've seen in blackouts in Britain, New York City, and other places, as we've seen in California, it raises your electricity prices exponentially, which makes things unaffordable, which produces chaos in your society.
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So I when they say things like that, and I believe Gavin Newsom's lying.
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I do.
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I think he I think he knows he's lying, but he's playing upon that gullible newspeak part, which is taking control of the U.S.
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Democratic Party, the press, the NGOs, nonprofits, academia, media, foundations, etc.
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He knows it's destroying California.
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He knows it.
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But because all of them believe in climate change or oh, this anthropogenic that you and I are warming the earth uncontrollably, and we have to use renewables to stop it, is just well, that's right.
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You remember Schellenberg.
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Yeah, remember Mr.
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Schellenberger, he said, do we have to destroy the earth to save it?
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Because he's talking about how these energy sources, like Michael Moore in his film Planet of the Humans.
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And I'll actually link to that because there's a two-minute excerpt which says how wind, solar, and batteries are made, and then it the music is all exciting, and it shows all the components that go into these power plants.
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And oh man, it's like the dirtiest energy sources on the world in the world.
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Well, and I think people don't realize too, like when you think green, okay.
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We use cobalt.
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Now, someone may look at me and they they're right.
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So, okay, then stop using your iPhone.
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It has cobalt in it.
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Okay.
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I'm doing a trade-off by saying I've got to use this phone in a modern society, and let me see if I can work on and vote for ways to get this cobalt or to somehow get labor.
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And environmental and better democratic processes to the Democratic quote unquote Republic of Congo, where about 60 to 70% of all the world's um cobalt comes from.
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And can we link to an Amnesty International report from a few years ago that talks about this?
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I'll check it.
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I'll check on that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And there's also, I think, I think there's even also a recent New York Times article talking about this.
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That and you know, Amnesty tends to be very left wing and pro-global warming and all the other stuff.
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But on this issue, they did a report, one of the better reports I think I've ever read since I really got into the public policy world.
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They're interested in the human rights issues, right?
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They are, they are.
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And to their credit, they should be credited for it.
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And I think as well that the New York Times also did a report about this.
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But just to kind of put a bow on this and throw this back to you, the the notion of green energy, there's nothing quote unquote green about it.
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But also, I've always wondered too, Tom, what does it what does that even mean?
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This well, the funny thing is it's another example of New Speak, not only because it's dirty, but because if you were interested in greening the earth, you would want more CO2.
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So in that case, yeah, coal coal should really be called green energy because it puts out so much CO2, you know, but they're actually inverting things, they're it's they're putting it upside down, they're taking what is a very dirty energy source, wind, solar, and batteries, yeah, and calling them green, but they're also saying, well, it reduces CO2, so it's no, if it increased CO2, it should be green because CO2 is plant food.
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Okay, can I throw something at you?
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Let me I love that you just brought this up, and and you and I've talked about this before, and I think I I love to have you talk about this.
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So what an amazing point you just made.
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So what should be considered green is coal.
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Okay, let me.
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I'm gonna be an environmentalist then right now.
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Be upset.
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I'm not gonna get upset with you, of course.
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You you and me, but I'll be the one.
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Okay, Tom, you say that coal is green because it puts out CO2, which which you know, science says is a hazardous pollutant chemical.
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So Tom, how can you advocate for something that's also giving out uh sulfur oxide and noxicide oxide?
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So you we know Tom, that we can't breathe that.
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So you're saying you want to burn more CO2 into the air when we've said it's a pollutant.
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So tell me how you tell me how you and you write you right wing Canadian MAGA people how do you justify what you just said there, Mr.
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Canadian MAGA?
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Because we do have really clean coal technology.
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I'm not talking about removing CO2, which is both difficult and unnecessary.
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I'm talking about removing real pollutants like sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxide, particulates, lead, that sort of thing.
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And you can actually do that reasonably inexpensively with modern technology.
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So coal can, in fact, like I said last week, you know, a friend of mine was the uh director in Egypt of energy, he was actually director general in their energy department.
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He has a PhD in engineering, and he went on a tour of Sweden and they took him to uh coal power plant, very clean plant, which is right beside a daycare, and they had no trouble with that because it was using clean coal technology, and you know, that's that's the point is that if you use the latest technology, yes, you can have real clean coal, which as I say is not talking about CO2, talking about pollutants.
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Isn't that amazing though?
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So, okay, now let me ask you this.
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So I'm gonna I'm gonna be the environmentalist for you again.
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So, Tom, okay, why are we all freaked out about CO2?
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Then are you saying it's the same kind of CO2 that whenever I breathe out of my mouth, it's that that's the same CO2?
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Oh, yeah, exactly.
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Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait, Tom, I don't believe you.
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You're telling me that CO2 I just breathed out, correct?
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's supposedly contributing to the warming of the earth.
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But isn't there a lot of that stuff in the atmosphere?
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I mean, I see these but Tom, I see these power plants belching this stuff out all over China and India and Vietnam and Russia and all of these places.
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Germany now, are you telling me they can just belch this stuff out?
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Yeah, I I that's in my opinion, they can put it as much as they want.
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You know, we have to realize a few things.
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First of all, carbon dioxide is invisible.
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So if you're seeing things belching out, that's not carbon dioxide, that's other pollutants, or it could be water vapor.
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But yeah, it's it's invisible, it's non-toxic, okay, and uh it's benign.
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I mean, it basically allows plants to grow.
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We've seen a massive increase in forest growth into areas that previously had no forests because as CO2 rises, you can grow plants in areas that have less water, you know.
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And you know, I always find it funny, Todd.
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The people who have greenhouses, they know that the plants that they're growing evolved at a time when CO2 was much higher than it is today, so they pump CO2 into the greenhouse to simulate the conditions millions of years ago, because that's what the plants like.
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So, yeah, reduce yeah, so reduce pollution, focus on real things.
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One of the problems is that reducing carbon dioxide, taking it out of the effluence is a very complicated and expensive process.
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And so, what it does is it makes coal power uneconomic.
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So they're putting more and more uh, you know, restrictions and in particular limitations on fossil fuels because they're trying to get rid of it because they want to have an energy transition.
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Now, it's interesting that you know, various groups.
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There's a group called the Council of Engineers for the energy transition, and they talk about the need to triple renewable energy capacity and trans with transition away from fossil fuels.
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Now, this whole idea of transition, people are kept saying, Oh, we have to have a transition by 2050, which isn't that far away.
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You know, we're talking about 25 years away.
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So tell me energy transition to renewables, first of all, it's not going to reduce pollution, but secondly, is it even possible to have a society-wide transition to these kinds of energy sources in 25 years?
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We wrote in one of our books, um, take an example of just copper.
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So copper is one of the main inputs that's needed for uh solar panels, particularly wind turbines.
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A typical mine, whether coppel, whether you know, copper, lithium mining, whatever any of these may be, a typical mine takes about 15 years to bring online.
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By the time you uh guys like you, the engineers tell me we have to test it, we have to make sure we can get it, we have to find the capital for it.
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I ran a scenario that said if just Britain went full renewables, they would use up all the world's copper.
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Wow, just for it, just just for it.
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So I think Britain's got about 40 million people, maybe maybe 50.
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Let's call let's just go 60 million people.
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So if just Britain, which is a not large island nation, were to go full renewables, they would use up all the world's copper.
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Yeah, this is one ingredient.
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And you would need, I think if I recall correctly, it was a it was a 20x 20 times more.
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So let's say if there's a hundred copper mines in the world, do the math, I would need 20x more copper mines.
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And that's not to then say all the inputs within would then be needed for lithium, cobalt, uh neo-down.
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And those last two, lithium and cobalt, they're environmentally dangerous to actually mine and and the human rights issue.
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I'd like you to say more about that, because environmentalists consider themselves social justice warriors, you know, looking after the poor and disadvantaged.
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But if we rely on cobalt, aren't we electrifying the city on the backs of African children?
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, we wrote our third book, Clean Energy Exploitations, which went into this in detail.
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You are, and I'm not trying to be bombastic here, and this is where you know, you feel like you can get really mad, but you are truly enslaving black people and black children in particular.
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These are in mines that are in many ways held up by rocks and sticks, these mines will collapse all the time and bury people alive.
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Um, another thing we should link to in the show notes is the lithium triangle in South America.
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You can look and see that we are creating an ecological uh disaster zone down there.
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When you mine for lithium, it is one of the most grotesque ugly things that you can find.
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Now, you can do it cleaner, you can have labor standards, but it is still an unbelievably dirty and extensive process.
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You uh brine the lithium, leachy fields.
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If you know what a leachy field is, if you've ever um you know, ever quote unquote been off grid for your sewage system.
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That's what goes on with lithium mining.
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You can, I mean, really, you can look at the the lithium triangle uh down in South America, and it's one of the larger lithium deposits in the world.
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I think it's Chile, if I remember correctly, like Chile, Bolivia, and um another country.
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It's absolutely grotesque, and the people who live there now are they've been driven away from their lands, they're sick.
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I would actually argue that in many ways when you do this, not only are these blood minerals, but what you're actually having.
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Is a Chernobyl like effect where all of this takes place.
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Yeah.
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Apparently in South America, in areas that are very limited for water, the farmers have to bring in water.
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I have to get in by trucks.
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They're now using most of the water for lithium mining.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's so in so many ways of all of this.
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I'm I just always say with this, Tom, like if I if I kind of step back and take off an emotional lens of this.
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An electric vehicle is very cool.
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I like Teslas, I like lucid.
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That's not an everyday car.
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I love how Ron Stein says it.
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That's not a workhorse vehicle.
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Um, it's a it's almost like a weekend car.
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Um, they're cool, they're sometimes double the price, but that doesn't mean that's a scalable vehicle.
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When it comes to renewables and what these folks want to do, I would say not only will you wreck a grid, but you're literally taking large parts of the earth and you're going to destroy it and you're gonna enslave and kill people who have to deal with this all the time.
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So yeah, it's there, there's nothing about it, it's just not technologically sound.
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And maybe one day, maybe someday someone will invent a solar cell that that equals the output of a nuclear power plant or a natural gas fired plant.
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Maybe they'll figure out a wind turbine that can store energy connected to a grid system that's just as viable as uh fossil fuels or nuclear or or hydro when there's water in it.
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Maybe it will.
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Um, but the only things that I see for renewables are I would never use the wind.
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I would never put up a big wind turbine, they break down way too much, they're too expensive.
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They're and they're bird slaughterer, bird slaughterers, they kill radar systems, they actually they actually truly do change the climates they're in.
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But I had a discussion with an executive at Duke Energy.
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Duke Energy is one of the is the largest uh investor-owned utility in the United States, yeah.
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And they talked about they had a solar plant connected to one of their hydro dams.
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No, he didn't talk about rainfall, but he said what we do is we use solar when they was like solar when it's available, it runs as a as a push, it's almost like a push system, pushes the water up to the dam, so they had it below, pushes the water up to the dam, and then at night they release it for the electricity.
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Okay, and you can so that that's pump storage, yeah.
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Like a pump storage.
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Um, I think like if you and I have off-grid applications, you have a house and kind of some you wanted to have a home uh off the grid.
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Um, I wanted to have something, you know, off the grid.
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Great, use a solar panel, put up a Tesla power wall.
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But that does that's for you and me and our family and friends, but that doesn't mean it's gonna power Ontario, Montreal, Quebec.
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One one thing I was hoping we could do is talk about the supply chain from the original mining of the cobalt to actually being in a car in your driveway.
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And this I think is a really good little exercise because it shows how the environmental impact is throughout the chain, human rights abuses throughout the chain.
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Uh let's just go through that.
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So, how do they uh you know?
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I I know these companies in the Congo where most of the cobalt comes from, they're run by Chinese companies.
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So, can we trust them to respect human rights and the environment where they're actually mining the cobalt?
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Like, just think about what you just said.
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We know the Chinese are burning coal, they're burning more coal than anybody else in the world.
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We know that the Chinese, and the New York Times has written about this even in the last six months, that they will take their factories and to gain a geopolitical edge, whether it's a refiner, uh oil, or uh rare earth metals and minerals, they will then the dirty water, they literally take pipes from factories and dump it into the rivers.
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That's in their own, that's in their own country.
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They're they're ruining their own water, their own air.
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Um, the U.S.
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embassy uh has a daily tracking of of air in Beijing to just show how dirty it is.
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Yeah, and you know, the city in China, I can't remember the name of it, but it produces more renewable energy than anybody any anywhere in the world.
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It's one of the dirtiest cities in the world because of all the affluence.
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So, starting with the cobalt in the Congo, tell us about the children.
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That's uh that's a really interesting one.
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When you think about so cobalt has to be mined.
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Um, so I'm going into the ground.
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If you've ever seen a mining process, uh, those will be some of the in in Western countries, certainly in America, is safe as they can be.
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You will see multiple signs, hard hats, safety's our priority.
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You can only work certain hours, vehicles will not, you know, everything is regulated, everything is to the minute to keep the people safe who are mining.
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And in the Congo, there's none of that.
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I mean, Amnesty literally has a report where they say that children as young as four years old have been enslaved by warlords, put into mines, and they are literally digging by hand, digging into the earth by hand, and the way they keep the earth from collapsing on them is literally with sticks and big stones, and that their parents will be enslaved with them.
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And so parents and children will be buried alive or be worked to death to get cobalt.
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And I understand they breathe radioactive dust when they're deep in these mines.
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So most of these people live horrible lives, they will eventually either die, um, whether being buried alive or with some form of disease or illness.
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And so the the Chinese, as you and I both know, they don't care about that.
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They they care that they get the cobalt to help the Chinese communist party to take on the West and gain national security and geopolitical eminence over America and American allies.
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That's what they care about.
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And so I would never buy solar panels or any of these things based on a lot of these reasons.
26:19
Yeah, so it's interesting because there's a battery energy storage system that's just being built in North Glengarry near Ottawa, and they brought this, they brought this issue up before they built it, asking about the sources of the materials used in the batteries, and they didn't they didn't know, you know.
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I mean, so so the people are just ignoring it.
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So once you got the cobalt with some of it with child labor, you know, beat people being uh you know left in mines to die when the mines collapse.
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Once you have that cobalt, they ship it to China and tell me what happens with it there.
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We have to refine it, we have to process it, it has to be put into a usable form, whether you're going to put it into whatever you're gonna use the cobalt for, whether uh a cell phone or a solar panel, wind turbine, battery, whether for a grid or an electric vehicle.
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Well, we we now know too that uh Uyghur Muslims have been enslaved, and I think a couple million of them have been enslaved and they are put in factories that put these things together.
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So many times this quote-unquote low-cost renewable energy or these low-cost products that come from China, they've been put on the backs of slave labor.
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Truce, like people that have truly been enslaved, their religion stripped from them.
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Um, we know that women have escaped and so they've been gang raped, uh, put into rape centers uh for Chinese uh soldiers.
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Well uh these people will be worked to death.
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I mean, this this is very similar to what happened to um Chinese women, South Korean women during World War II by uh yeah, from the Japanese by the by the Japanese, and so they're actually doing what was done to them that they still they still rightfully so complain about from over 80 years ago.
28:05
Wow.
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Um there's just nothing green about this, yeah.
28:09
And so now you have a battery that's made in China with slave labor, having been mined in the Congo with slave labor, and then of course it has to be shipped across the ocean to be put in a car, which produces a lot more pollution.
28:23
So in the net looking at the very end of it, this is a blood mineral type product, isn't it?
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It is.
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Um, I I think you could describe them creating a Chernobyl, a Chernobyl mineral with a Nazi-like slave labor camps, Al Switch, you know, Al Switch slave labor camps, and then I'm taking this blood mineral and I'm shipping it using fossil fuels.
28:50
If you were to if you were to do a study about this, like if if I could if I could value chain the entire process of cobalt, I I don't see how anybody could do the math and say that I shouldn't buy a car from General Motors or um a Jaguar or whatever your favorite vehicle is, or you know, a fossil fuel vehicle or internal combustion in it in a you know engine.
29:16
Why should I buy that over an electric vehicle?
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You know, why should I use a solar panel over a nuclear power plant?
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It it's it's stunning because I, you know, we uh we know that I can get all the uranium I need if I don't want to mine it in the US, I can get it from my lovely neighbors of the North Canada or Australia, or I can even get it from a quasi-authoritarian Kazakhstan.
29:39
In other words, I have so many other ways to get electricity that's not blood mineral, slave labor, and quote unquote dirty diesel run ship fossil fuel.
29:53
Yeah, we have to go for a break now, Todd.
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But after the break, can we jump to another topic?
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And that is when.
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They say the Amazon is the lungs of the earth.
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Because I think that's a good good example of newspeak.
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Yes.
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I'm dying to do lungs of the earth, please.
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Tom, you talked about the opening this lungs of the earth phrase, which is really fascinating.
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Before I throw it over to you, the Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell, at cop.
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He also used this phrase.
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He said in a reflection ahead of the summit, he called for prayer and advocacy to protect the lungs of the earth.
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What do what do they mean by this lungs of the earth stuff?
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Yeah, they're referring to the Amazon rainforest, which is very important for biodiversity.
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No question about that.
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But the idea that it's the lungs of the earth is the complete opposite of reality.
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Because if you think about it, lungs bring in oxygen and they produce produce carbon dioxide.
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Okay.
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But during the daytime, at least, trees and in particular the rainforest brings in carbon dioxide and puts out oxygen.
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So they're the anti-lungs or the inverse lungs.
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They're doing the opposite of what lungs are doing.
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The other point that they make, because they're saying the lungs of the earth, they produce oxygen, which is silly, because of course lungs don't produce lungs don't produce oxygen.
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But you know, this uh world council of churches, they said that the Amazon remains the primary source of oxygen on earth, generating 20% of the oxygen we breathe.
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That in addition to the lungs of the earth has become a bit of a you know a mantra.
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20% of the oxygen we breathe.
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Now, let's look at this chemically just for a second.
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Is that is it is it even is it even possible?
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Yeah, but also so they're saying the Amazon forest.
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If I want to make sure I hear you correctly before you give us the good the good stuff, they're saying the Amazon rain for the Amazon forest is 20% of all the Earth's oxygen we breathe.
36:34
Did I hear you correctly on that?
36:35
Yeah, that's what they're saying.
36:36
Okay.
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Now tell us if that's even possible or not.
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Well, it isn't, because if you think about it, the photosynthesis equation has one carbon dioxide molecule going in and one oxygen molecule coming out.
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So, how much CO2 is there in the atmosphere?
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If you turned 100% of all the CO2 in the atmosphere to oxygen through photosynthesis, you wouldn't get any more oxygen than you have CO2 because it's a one-to-one correspondence.
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But the amount of uh CO2 in the atmosphere is 0.04%.
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So, how does 0.04% give you 20% of the 21% of oxygen that's actually in the atmosphere?
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You know, that would be 5%.
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So 0.04% of CO2 is going to magically convert into about 5% of the atmosphere.
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Like it's just silly.
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They're out by two orders of magnitude.
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It's not even chemically possible.
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And that would be if the forest uh converted 100% of the CO2 in the atmosphere to oxygen.
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So that's number one.
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And you also have to say, well, do forests put out CO2 as well as absorb it.
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And the answer is yes, because during the daytime, okay, they produce oxygen by consuming CO2.
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And that's photosynth photosynthesis.
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But at nighttime, they have something called respiration, where they turn what they've actually converted into the actual plant material.
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Okay.
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And respiration does the opposite.
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Respiration uses oxygen, okay, to produce energy to make the plant, etc.
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So at nighttime, the interesting thing is that they absorb oxygen and they absorb about half as much oxygen at night as they emit during the daytime.
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Okay, so right away, 50% of the O2 that they emit during the day is absorbed by the same plants back at night.
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So you're dealing with half of it.
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But you know, when you have decaying vegetation, you know, the microbes that the decompose the remains of trees, they absorb oxygen, okay, to actually do that.
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And so when you add it all up, the experts are now saying that the net result, the net contribution of oxygen to the atmosphere from the rainforest is nothing.
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It's zero.
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Because the actual, you know, the amount of oxygen they absorb at night plus the microbes that decompose the trees equals the amount that O2 is produced, the oxygen is produced during the daytime.
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So, you know, and that's the case for most ecosystems across the world.
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But the O2 absorbed and the O2 released are about balanced.
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And of course, that would have to be the case.
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You'd have to have that kind of balance, or the or the O2 in the atmosphere would continually rise.
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You know, so so the whole point doesn't make any sense.
39:25
So some people say, oh, yes, but the lungs of the earth is just an analogy because the Brazilian rainforest absorbs all this CO2.
39:33
Well, that's wrong, also.
39:35
The Brazilian rainforest, believe it or not, is a net emitter of carbon dioxide.
39:40
It's a net emit.
39:42
Yeah, it is, because there's been so much deforestation and burning of the actual uh rainforest, which produces CO2 that the net result is the Amazon, sorry, the Brazil part of the Amazon rainforest is a net emitter of CO2.
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So if you were thinking CO2.
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As a threat, and you actually follow the science, the option to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere would be to bulldoze the whole of the Brazilian rainforest.
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So it's ridiculous.
40:12
Now, if you look at the overall Amazon, which includes places in Colombia and Peru and other places, then yeah, it does actually absorb more than it emits.
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So it but it's not a lot.
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It's nothing, it's like about two percent of humanity's emissions are absorbed by the complete rainforest outside of Brazil, you know, with all the countries involved.
40:35
But so this lungs of the earth analogy, and it's sad because we're seeing this in a lot of the church organizations, okay.
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The world council of churches, they said, quote, it's the primary source of oxygen on earth, talking about the Amazon.
40:47
It isn't, by the way.
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It's no, it's phytoplankton.
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Because over billions of years, phytoplankton has released into the atmosphere most of the oxygen that we have.
40:58
Okay, so the oceans actually are the source of the most of the oxygen in the world.
41:03
But we're seeing that phrase, lungs of the earth in places like the Vatican News, the Anglican communic communion news service, okay, church times, lots of other media sources as well, like Canada's Globe and Mail and Yahoo News, Asian news, they're all saying this lungs of the earth, but but they have it completely backwards.
41:22
And and I I really sympathize with the church groups because they're trying to do what's good, they're trying to protect the earth, protect the planet, etc.
41:31
But sadly, there's statements about lungs of the earth are completely scientifically nonsense.
41:38
It's it's it's it's newspeak, essentially, is what it is.
41:41
It is, but like, do you think how can I ask this?
41:44
So it's like I don't even know how to ask it because everything you just said completely just debunked the entire like the entire narrative of climate change, global warming, the reason for COP, all this stuff.
41:58
You just debunked it in about two minutes.
42:00
I know we want to save the rainforest, okay?
42:03
I mean, it has incredible biodiversity, it has more species than any other ecosystem on earth.
42:09
But it's not because it's going to be the lungs of the earth, it never was in the first place, but secondly, it's and it's not even absorbing much in the way of CO2.
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Do you think though?
42:21
And this is where I always get so confused.
42:25
I'm like, are you guys evil?
42:27
Are you dumb?
42:29
But do you think whether the Anglican church or Yahoo know news or Canada's globe?
42:37
But don't you think these people know this?
42:39
Like no, no, I don't think they do.
42:41
Because you know, it's interesting.
42:43
I had a discussion with co-pilot, my my buddy, and I said, Well, where'd this phrase come from?
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Because even Copilot says, well, you know, it's scientifically invalid, it's not even remotely possible because of the you know balance between CO2 and oxygen.
42:57
You cannot have that much oxygen produced by the rainforest, even if you ignore the respiration at night and the microbes and everything else, it's just not chemically possible.
43:07
And we're we're out, we're out by two orders of magnitude.
43:11
But because yeah, I mean, if if it was the lungs of the earth giving quote unquote all this oxygen, wouldn't we see incredibly higher levels of oxygen then?
43:21
Correct, yeah, right there.
43:23
Yeah, because you'd have a concentration.
43:25
So I mean the whole thing's wrong.
43:26
But so my question to you, Todd, then I know you're religious.
43:31
You look at these different groups, and you know, you sympathize with their morality and their fundamental ideas, but I mean, what do you think's happened?
43:40
I mean, they're just taking basically newspeak and using it, even though it doesn't make any sense.
43:45
You know, Tom, it's such a great question, and it actually deeply bothers me.
43:50
Um, because there's a book by a gentleman named D.
43:55
James Kennedy, very influential in my life called What If Jesus had never been born.
43:59
So it talks about all the good that folks who believe in Jesus Christ, and in particular many ways, like the Catholic Church, the Anglican church, all the things they've done throughout the years, but somehow these guys have been arrested by Marxism or leftism, and they take on they though, and and I've read about this.
44:19
So these churches will go into these horribly poor areas, India, Peru, name your favorite horrible, you know, Africa.
44:28
And instead of saying, I want to bring you economic growth and energy, things like that, they turn to socialism, they turn to Marxism, this class warfare.
44:39
They they actually, if you really look at the gospels, what the gospels really are, and it's what anybody struggles with, it's looking in the mirror and and looking at yourself, and saying if and saying, if I want to change, and not just this notion, this western notion of oh, I want to go to heaven versus hell, but the Bible also says to bring heaven down on earth.
45:02
If you kind of look at that, it means okay, what am I?
45:05
What's my part of bringing heaven down on earth?
45:08
So, what these guys have done though is said I want to slow down all development and all growth in the earth, and I want to take these phraseologies which somehow quote unquote hurt the rich and hurt poor you know, rich countries versus poor countries, and I think it it's also what's made them so irrelevant.
45:29
I mean, church growth, religious growth in most western countries is down or like organized religions like Anglican churches, Presbyterian Methodists, even some Baptists when they kind of move towards not kind of when they move to these left-wing positions, you know.
45:47
Well, Todd, I just want to interrupt because you said that Marxism was the direction they're headed.
45:52
Yet I thought Marxism was atheist.
45:55
Oh, it is atheist.
45:56
That that's the that's what's so troubling about this is they take on, they somehow think they're taking the gospel when they talk about this lungs of the earth, green energy, all of these things when you you and I both know they need abundant energy, they need scalable energy, they need affordable energy.
46:17
They they take on this news speaker.
46:19
Well, what I would tell you the notion of Christianity, where you know, you're talking about uh it talks about being born again, talks about being saved.
46:28
I've accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and the one way to the Father uh is through the sun, and that if I accept Jesus Christ as my savior, I'm now connected to the father, and I will spend eternity in heaven with the father versus versus eternal damnation.
46:44
There, there's there's kind of your gospel.
46:46
When I look at the Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell, I would I would even go, Mr.
46:52
Catrell, how can you espouse things that came from Marx?
46:57
First off, have you read Marx?
46:58
Have you read Linen and read people?
47:00
You know what you're supporting.
47:02
Yeah, what are you supporting?
47:04
And even if you're you're non-religious or you're agnostic or you're atheists, and you want to be a good person, there's nothing about Marx or Marxism.
47:14
It's really a violent form of atheism.
47:18
It's a uh look.
47:19
I mean, look at the God, go read the writings of Lenin, and it really in some ways is moving into psychopathy that produce Stalin and Hitler and Mal and Paul Pot, Ediumine.
47:34
Um, all of them have espoused that at some point.
47:36
I look at someone like the Archbishop of York, who maybe he's a wonderful man, maybe he's a lovely man.
47:41
Maybe I'd love to have dinner with him, but I go, you've taken on these environmental notions, which most of these people believe in leftist Marxist thoughts.
47:51
So are you an atheist?
47:53
Yeah, do you believe what Marx said?
47:55
It's it's it none of it makes well it's all newspeak, Tom.
48:01
Well, it reminds me, yeah, yeah.
48:03
It reminds me of queers for Palestine, you know.
48:06
Like, what the heck?
48:08
If you were a queer in Palestine, you know, I don't think that'd go over so well.
48:13
What do they talk about?
48:14
ISIS used to take you know, homosexuals and throw them off the roof, yeah.
48:18
Or the buildings, they would hang them or they would bury them and allow ants to come eat them alive.
48:23
I mean, just grotesque brutal cortex things, but that's what these people like I'm I don't know, Tom.
48:31
I'm still my mouth still hanging open off your explanation a few minutes ago, lungs, lungs of the planet that many ways it nets out of the CO2 and the O2 and the tree takes this, but then it then they excel at night, and actually it's the ocean and photoplankton, which is produced most of what we consider oxygen now, and you go if I can learn this right now from you in two minutes, it just goes to show me that people like um you know the the world health organization director, the UN Secretary General, the Archbishop of York, they have all been captured, yeah, by this Marxist way of thinking.
49:14
Well, also I get the impression they feel they have to make a statement because they do care about the planet, they'd care about the planet.
49:20
But you know, my dad used to say that if a lot of the activists actually in those days went to the library and learned about the topic they were protesting, they might not even protest it, you know.
49:32
And uh just as a side note, it reminds me of when I worked in the Air Force outside our base.
49:38
We were testing cruise missiles, uh, American cruise missiles, because it's a huge base, Cold Lake has a big weapons range up there as well.
49:45
And the protesters outside were yelling and screaming about you know the cruise missile, etc.
49:50
And I stopped and asked one of them, I said, Are you against American cruise missiles or Russian ones?
49:56
Because you realize the Russians have more, and they they actually.
50:00
Actually started them in the first place.
50:02
And the guy was dumbfounded.
50:03
He just didn't know at all.
50:05
And so that was that was the point my dad actually made.
50:08
Is he look a lot of protesters haven't bothered to research the issues properly.
50:13
They spend all their effort and time on crafting really nice communications messages, organizing protests.
50:19
But the point he made is that if they just simply went to the library and learned about it, they might not protest it at all.
50:26
So I think it's a lot of ignorance, quite frankly.
50:29
It is.
50:30
And you it's I always think of it too as the luxury of the rich.
50:35
You and I live both in some of the wealthiest nations, if not the wealthiest in the history of mankind.
50:41
We have more luxuries, more amenities than 99.9% of human history has ever had.
50:49
You get to take on these luxury values.
50:52
I mean, if it's 200 years ago, that protester would have been hung, shot, buried.
50:59
Yeah, exactly.
51:00
Put into some kind of colonial army.
51:02
Yeah.
51:03
Well, well, well, you know, that just is a to interrupt again.
51:06
Sorry, I gotta make this one point.
51:08
I read an article the other day saying that you know, this king's protest, no kings.
51:13
He said the very fact that there was a no kings protest tells you that there's no kings, because if there were, they'd all be executed.
51:22
Well, of course.
51:23
I mean, it it's like uh what I've always wanted, those folks, and we'd know those are you know, those are being funded by billionaire leftists who've talked about these are billionaires, they're they think of themselves as gods and lords, and they want to return to feudal system where they're in control and we live off the land and you know, grow a potato, live in a 500 square foot shack, and and you know, eat dirt all day long.
51:48
But we bowed to them and call them my lord, these people want to be worshipped, and I'll never do that.
51:54
But you but you look up these no, you know, kings people, and you go, okay.
51:59
I dare you, just so I would dare anybody go live in a city that's powered by renewables.
52:04
I dare you to go protest in most rest of the world.
52:09
Yeah, Beijing.
52:10
Yeah, go to Beijing, Tehran, North Korean capital, Hanoi.
52:16
Let's start naming capitals.
52:18
Um, Havana, where else name some others?
52:22
Big chunks of Africa, Egypt, Bel Belarus, Belarus.
52:26
Oh, what about uh Riada in Saudi Arabia?
52:29
What about um good luck?
52:32
Your protests won't last for long.
52:34
Yeah, uh like I would love for these people to go like go to China and protest what I've referred to as the world's greatest uh criminal enterprise, the Chinese Communist Party.
52:45
Yeah, or Venezuela, Venezuela for that matter.
52:49
The cartels and the mafia have nothing on the Chinese communist party.
52:53
Like go to Beijing, go to Hong Kong, go to Hong Kong, which I've been told is a wonderful city, but go there and try to protest the government, see what happens.
53:01
Good luck.
53:02
Good luck.
53:02
We only have about two two or three minutes to go, and there's one granddaddy of all the newspeak we've got to talk about.
53:10
And the sad the sad thing is even people on the conservative side use this newspeak, and that is calling carbon dioxide carbon pollution, you know, and and of course, if you called it carbon dioxide, I think a lot of people would remember their grade five science, they'd realize that oh, yeah, you're talking about plant food.
53:32
But they do two mistakes.
53:34
First of all, it's not pollution because we've already talked about that.
53:36
Pollution is knocks and socks and particulates and things like that, but it's not even carbon because carbon is graphite or soot, you know, they actually do have black carbon as a particular emission that is carbon pollution.
53:50
Okay, we're talking pollution.
53:52
Yeah, we're talking about soot, and and that is a significant thing to control, but carbon dioxide is not carbon, it's not pollutants.
53:59
And yet, here I have two media sources Global News in Canada and CBC.
54:05
CBC references attacks on science and efforts to roll back carbon pollution regulations, because of course, newspeak is designed to make people think in the way you want, and that's what they want.
54:16
They want us to think of carbon dioxide as something bad, and so they call it carbon pollution.
54:22
So I mean, you see, Republicans sometimes calling it carbon pollution too, you know, and and it's really sad.
54:28
You cannot use their language because that is a very significant influence on the debate, isn't it?
54:34
Oh, absolutely.
54:34
And I would never, but you get a lot of Republicans that can be lazy about it, and they don't they're not gonna take the time to find to find Tom Harris or talk like Tom Harris because they go, Why am I gonna get in this issue?
54:46
I'm not gonna win.
54:47
I'll use their language.
54:48
Yeah, the democratic opponent will just beat me up on this.
54:51
Wouldn't you rather have me than a democrat?
54:53
And they just they just kind of gloss over it because they go, I just want to win my election.
54:59
Yeah, and I'm with you, it's wrong.
55:01
It's well, and and you know, it's one of the beauties I see in the change in the administration in the United States.
55:08
Joe Biden used this term carbon pollution all the time, green energy, all the time.
55:12
It was inundated, even in even in the inflation reduction act, it had this land this language, you know, which which was completely deceiving, completely of course the entire the whole name of the act was ridiculous in the first place.
55:26
But yeah, so I mean, we have to end now, but the the whole idea of using language that sabotages your own cause is something we have to alert conservatives to.
55:37
Don't call it carbon, it's not carbon, don't call it green energy, it's not green.
55:42
Don't call it lungs of the earth, it's the exact opposite, you know.
55:45
It's the exact opposite as you've proven, yeah.
55:47
Yeah, so I think that the whole idea that they've hijacked the language, we have to stop using their language.
55:54
Yeah, what we can do, let's keep we we do shows like this.
55:58
There's more and more people that are coming out.
56:00
You know, I just read something from Mark Morano.
56:03
God bless Mark.
56:05
Uh, he's God bless God bless Steve Malloy, who's just every day he's on Twitter and every day putting uh information like this out there.
56:14
So you just you keep you fight back and you you you talk about it how you just talked about it a moment ago to say there's no such thing as lungs of the earth, there's no such thing as green energy.
56:24
This stuff is newspeak.
56:26
Yeah, well, Mark Mark Morano and his boss uh Craig Rucker are actually in COP30 right now.
56:33
I saw that, yeah.
56:34
Yeah, so and and they're always hilarious to watch because you know they they have such a great sense of humor and giving us good information.
56:41
So I'll put a link, I'll put a link to one of their latest latest broadcasts.
56:45
So we have to end the show now.
56:46
It's been kind of fun though, to find out that all this language that's being used by everybody down there is is completely backwards and opposite upside down.
56:55
So anyway, this is Tom Harrison, my co-host Todd Royal signing out from the other side of this.