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The Weekend in Switzerland, VDH returns to discuss "The Counterrevolution" · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. I hope you had a great Father's Day weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely fabulous. I did. Now none of my kids were around,
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  Speaker 1: none of my grandkids. They start rolling in uh next weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But we had great house guests and I had a
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  Speaker 1: lovely time yesterday afternoon fetching Miss Schuetts as well. I've
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  Speaker 1: been a bunch of a Father's Day for you. What
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  Speaker 1: do you want? And I want to root your float
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  Speaker 1: because I do. It's been a passion of mind since
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  Speaker 1: Rob Ganary and I would go to the anw Ripper
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  Speaker 1: in more And as soon as we could drive, so
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  Speaker 1: like when I was fifteen and Rob was sixteen, we
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  Speaker 1: just lived at the anw Ripeer. I love Rippeer floats.
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  Speaker 1: They're not good for you, Don't get me wrong. They're
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  Speaker 1: not like relief factor. But because because she went out
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  Speaker 1: and got the really good ice cream from the local
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  Speaker 1: place and actually in w root beer. I had two.
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  Speaker 1: Now that means you have a sugar I haven't had
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  Speaker 1: a soft drink out of a can in ten years.
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  Speaker 1: I drink water and water, and then I drink water,
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  Speaker 1: and then I rarely eat ice cream. I haven't had
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  Speaker 1: root beer in a long time. So I had two,
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  Speaker 1: of course, so that gives you a sugar eye like
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  Speaker 1: a rocket, and then you crash. So then I went
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  Speaker 1: to bed early, and it was a wonderful Father's Day.
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  Speaker 1: But before that I had gone on with Peter Doocy
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  Speaker 1: on You Got a grant New show, A great new
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  Speaker 1: show with Jackie Heinrich called the Sunday Briefing eleven o'clock
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  Speaker 1: on Fox NEWSD eight o'clock on the on the West Coast.
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  Speaker 1: So they called me up rather sheepishly, and they said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's Father's Day. Can you do it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I could do it. I'm not doing anything on Father's Day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a grandpa. So let's play that cut from yesterday's
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  Speaker 1: Sunday Briefing with Peter Deucy, cut number four.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, let's bring in Fox News contributor and hosts.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Hugh Hewett Show.
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  Speaker 1: You ew it You.
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  Speaker 4: I got to ask you about.
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  Speaker 3: This news overnight straight hoh horr moves closed?
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  Speaker 1: Now what? Yeah? Well, I think what the President posted
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  Speaker 1: and Trade just referenced on True Social this morning, they've
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  Speaker 1: got to pull back hasblah and they've got to open
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  Speaker 1: the straight of horor moves or we'll be back to
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  Speaker 1: the bombing. Now. I'm not willing to put any faith
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  Speaker 1: in this MoU anyway, Peter. I think it's a letter
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  Speaker 1: of intent in real estate. Term doesn't bind anyone. You
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  Speaker 1: might continue talking, but they're not going to bring back
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  Speaker 1: Munich in nineteen thirty eight from Switzerland. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the Vice President's going to do that. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: special envoys Witcopper Christen are going to do that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think the President will let them do that. So
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  Speaker 1: I actually believe we're in halftime of the battle. The
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  Speaker 1: current battle. Tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of Operation
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  Speaker 1: Midnight Hammer, when the President ordered the Faux Door facility
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  Speaker 1: completely destroyed, and in that year we've seen Iran terribly shaken.
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  Speaker 1: They masacred forty thousand of their own people. And they've
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  Speaker 1: been pummeled for six weeks. I think they're going to
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  Speaker 1: want this like a nicer tone with everyone if they
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  Speaker 1: want to get out of this gym because their country's
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  Speaker 1: falling apart. They may have closed the straight again. That
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  Speaker 1: will not lead to anything productive for them, but probably
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  Speaker 1: a return to bombing. Ditto has Belah in Lebanon and Hugh.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody knows that is watching this, but I was waiting
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  Speaker 3: in Switzerland for the Vice President this week and he
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  Speaker 3: stood me up because we figured at the time that
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  Speaker 3: this is just like a no win situation for advance right.
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  Speaker 3: If the deal works, conservatives are mad that he's the
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  Speaker 3: face of it. If it doesn't work, the president is mad.
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  Speaker 3: But the VP's new angle, in this new sound that
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  Speaker 3: we have, it sounds like he is arguing, if this
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  Speaker 3: doesn't work out, it's really Israel's fault.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be.
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  Speaker 5: Something that works going to happen to be abandon to ensure.
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  Speaker 1: That you know, Israel and Lebanon are most stay here.
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  Speaker 5: The big problem is that you have somebody will douse
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  Speaker 5: and somebody will go on, and you kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of have to take a neck problem where you've just
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  Speaker 1: got to stop the seating the law enough to get
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  Speaker 1: the part.
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  Speaker 3: So is that a fair point that really, if this
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  Speaker 3: all blows up, it's the israelis.
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  Speaker 1: No, And I didn't hear it that way. I heard
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  Speaker 1: the chicken and egg, which is not a great analogy.
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  Speaker 1: Because Hesbola is a terrorist opric occupying force in Lebanon.
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  Speaker 1: Israel had to go in and defend Israel's territory. The
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  Speaker 1: President is blessed that. I think the Vice president is.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he's studying Ronald Reagan and Rekovic in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty six, because sometime a disaster of a summit can
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  Speaker 1: turn into a big geostrategic political win. So if he
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  Speaker 1: walks away from Switzerland he said these are idiots, these
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  Speaker 1: are lunatics, we can't deal with him. I think that
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  Speaker 1: increases his stock because that's the actual truth. We know
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  Speaker 1: that the IRGC and the Mullahs are not send their
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  Speaker 1: lunatics as we President has said, as Secretary Rubio has said.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it could blow up and to his advantage.
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  Speaker 1: What isn't to his advantage is blaming our closest ally
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  Speaker 1: and most important ally in the world, Israel, for any
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  Speaker 1: of this. Because it's not their fault. It's the Iranian
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  Speaker 1: terrorist proxy hesblaw that refuses to disengage.
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  Speaker 3: And it seems like the heart of Republican and democratic
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  Speaker 3: concerns with this deal is giving Iran money that they
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  Speaker 3: can maybe then.
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  Speaker 2: Use for anything.
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  Speaker 3: I asked President Trump about that on Wednesday in ebyon
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  Speaker 3: listen to this. The United States is not going to
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  Speaker 3: directly pay i Ran, but the US is going to
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  Speaker 3: let the Iranians start making billions of dollars selling oil,
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  Speaker 3: accessing this reconcern.
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  Speaker 6: Only only if they're doing things right, only if only
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  Speaker 6: if we're not doing anything, We're not putting up money.
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  Speaker 3: Explain though, what the difference is between giving Iran US
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  Speaker 3: dollars and unfreezing US dollars for well.
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  Speaker 1: The unfreezing. It's an easy one to answer.
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  Speaker 6: We have taken a lot of their money, and we
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  Speaker 6: have their money. We have taken them our money. It's
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  Speaker 6: their money.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think of that answer?
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  Speaker 1: It's an illuminating exchange. Peter As was the one at
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  Speaker 1: the end when he said, I'll blame jd if it
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  Speaker 1: goes out the rails. When you asked him about that,
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  Speaker 1: what he's saying is there's a way for Iran to
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  Speaker 1: get their assets unfrozen. It would begin, for example, with
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  Speaker 1: the IAEA inspectors going into Pickac Mountain, which is the
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  Speaker 1: fourth big nuclear facility. It would begin if they simply
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  Speaker 1: stopped shooting and attacking the boats in the straight oar
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  Speaker 1: moves like they did overnight. It would begin when they
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  Speaker 1: withdrew Hasbalad to north of Latani and get out of
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  Speaker 1: the grill of Israel. I don't think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: let anything get unfrozen until they've done all that. In
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  Speaker 1: the meantime, they can sell some oil if they've opened
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  Speaker 1: up the street. That's about five billion dollars a month.
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  Speaker 1: That's barely lunch money for the IRGC, So that's that's
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  Speaker 1: not giving them much. So I didn't take too much
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  Speaker 1: away from the MoU. I think it's halftime in this battle.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we know which way it's going to go.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think they're going to be getting rich
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  Speaker 1: off of the MoU, not in any way shape perform.
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  Speaker 3: And something else that JDVNS is saying is that the
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  Speaker 3: US is going to be we heard this today. The
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  Speaker 3: US wants to have new relations with the Iranians like
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  Speaker 3: he's making it sound like we could have a normal
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  Speaker 3: relationship with them if they give up the new Do
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  Speaker 3: you think that there's a big appetite for that in
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  Speaker 3: the United States, a normal diplomatic relationship where he's visiting
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  Speaker 3: Tehran the same way that he would go visit Riot
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  Speaker 3: or somewhere like that, only.
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  Speaker 1: If the regime changed. Peter Nothing. There's a huge appetite
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  Speaker 1: for getting back to where we were in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: eight with Iran. They were a close ally, they were
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  Speaker 1: ally of Israel. They are ninety two million wonderful Persian people,
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  Speaker 1: Iranian people with extraordinary talents. We've got a great diaspa
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  Speaker 1: in the United States. We'd love to go back to
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, before Jimmy Carter screwed this all up
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  Speaker 1: and I told Mania came back. But the IRGC, the Haiti,
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  Speaker 1: these knuckleheads are their political leadership that have no power. No,
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  Speaker 1: there's not much appetite for that. We would like for
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  Speaker 1: Iran to back away from their nuclear pro and maybe
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  Speaker 1: they change over time. But I'm not holding my breath
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  Speaker 1: to win. I'm going to visit Tehran. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's ever going to happen in my lifetime unless the
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  Speaker 1: people rise up in the next year, which is possible.
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  Speaker 1: Not likely, but it's possible. And I don't think we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have the embassy reopen on Massachusetts Avenue, which
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  Speaker 1: is the old Iranian embassy for a long long time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see you, Hewett.
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  Speaker 3: Happy Father's Day, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And to you Peter, it's always good to be and
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  Speaker 1: then Steve Doucy followed later, and it's just good to
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  Speaker 1: spend Father's Day with a young father, as Peter Deucy is.
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  Speaker 1: So I listened to Vice President Vance presser this morning
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  Speaker 1: live before he left Switzerland, in which he said a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things, and then I posted this on my
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  Speaker 1: ex account, which I encourage you to follow. I try
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  Speaker 1: and keep it down to a few Cleveland Browns, Cleveland Guardians,
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland cavaliers all have state tweets and then serious stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So I posted this. President Trump hosted over the weekend
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  Speaker 1: in Iranian delegation panic. That is the biggest takeaway from
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  Speaker 1: the weekend. President Trump posted two threats in response to
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  Speaker 1: his billah attacks on these rarely defense forces in the
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  Speaker 1: Iranian threats to close the Straight and Iron's negotiators through
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  Speaker 1: a fit, issuing belligerent statements, refusing to shake hands, take pictures,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. They panic because they didn't have instructions on
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  Speaker 1: what to do from Vahedi or Hamani two point zero
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  Speaker 1: or the Supreme Council is still alive. But in panicking,
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  Speaker 1: they showed that the President's posts land on their mark
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  Speaker 1: Iranian quote leadership, and that clearly Trump scares them and
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  Speaker 1: impacts their behavior. Then they left too late. In that
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  Speaker 1: panic response to the posts, they demonstrated their own weaknesses.
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  Speaker 1: They will be berated for being so transparent when they
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  Speaker 1: assemble in their cave back in Iran. As Walter Russell
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  Speaker 1: Mead told Dan Senor this morning on the new Call
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  Speaker 1: Me Back podcast, The Week or the Player, that they
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  Speaker 1: must act. Iran is wrecked. They act like a wrecked
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  Speaker 1: and scared nation acts. The negotiations ended on talks about
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  Speaker 1: the IAEA inspections and control of the Iranian frozen assets
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  Speaker 1: by the US if they are ever unfrozen, in the
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  Speaker 1: least because President Trump cannot accept anything except a perfect deal,
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  Speaker 1: and as last week showed, their scores of allies ready
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  Speaker 1: to enable to slam a bad deal. The Iranians have
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  Speaker 1: to cope with an American president who isn't chasing after
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  Speaker 1: them with sweeteners, but is already ready to pound their military,
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  Speaker 1: destroy their decades of investment and enrichment. He's already done that,
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  Speaker 1: cut off their cash flow, the heat. He may be
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  Speaker 1: skaming at the Iranian negotiators at this moment, and he
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  Speaker 1: can be sure only that the Iranians a relative. Stay
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  Speaker 1: tuned in America. I'll be right back with Rebecca Hirat,
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  Speaker 1: stay too, quartering back America. I too here it is promised.
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  Speaker 1: I have got it a chance now to talk to
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca Heinrich. She is the senior fellow with the Hudson
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  Speaker 1: heads the Keystone Defense Initiative there and has been writing
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  Speaker 1: about and following the battle with Iran and the MoU Rebecca, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to ask you, right out of the box,
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  Speaker 1: what did you make of this weekend exchange in Switzerland
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  Speaker 1: and the president's post and the Iranian reaction to them?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think for having me, Hugh, it's always good
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  Speaker 7: to join you.
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  Speaker 8: So I, you know, just like everybody else, trying to
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  Speaker 8: take it all in and it's really important, you know,
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  Speaker 8: to you got to kind of take it all in
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  Speaker 8: at first, and then sift through what's true and what's
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  Speaker 8: not true, because the Iranians are pushing all their propaganda
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  Speaker 8: and all that kind of stuff. So having said all
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  Speaker 8: of that, I'm I'm not very optimistic about the direction
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  Speaker 8: of things. I do think that the Iranians got the
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  Speaker 8: better of our American team just on the optics. And
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  Speaker 8: you know, it looked like the Iranians came in after
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  Speaker 8: the American side was already in the room, when the
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  Speaker 8: press was there, and I know the American side said
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  Speaker 8: they didn't know that the press was going to be
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  Speaker 8: there or something without effect. But regardless, typically diplomatically, the
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  Speaker 8: way protocol goes is you don't want to be looking.
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  Speaker 8: You don't want to look like you're sitting there waiting
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  Speaker 8: for the other side to come in, like you were
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  Speaker 8: really the one eager. So I think that the Iranians
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  Speaker 8: had the upper hand just in terms of optics. But
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  Speaker 8: then I was also, you know, I really thought that
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  Speaker 8: the Vice President's press conference explaining what he considered wins
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  Speaker 8: were not huge wins for the US side.
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  Speaker 7: The only silver lining that I can see out of
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  Speaker 7: all of this was really President Trump.
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  Speaker 8: President Trump kind of interjecting in the midst of this
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  Speaker 8: flurry of diplomacy and reminding everybody that he is still
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  Speaker 8: willing to use military force, especially on forcing the Straight
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  Speaker 8: open if the Iranians are insisting on trying to control.
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  Speaker 7: The straight and charge tolls.
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  Speaker 8: So it seems like President Trump is watching everything very
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  Speaker 8: carefully and then periodically jumping.
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  Speaker 7: In with some key reminders that I think are important.
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  Speaker 1: So, Rebecca, I agree with a lot of what you said,
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  Speaker 1: but I also think the most important takeaway and I
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  Speaker 1: came to it after listening to Walter Russell Mead talked
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  Speaker 1: to Dan Senor today and his note that the weaker
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  Speaker 1: you are, the tougher you act. I think that the
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  Speaker 1: Iranians made a huge strategic error when they reacted to
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  Speaker 1: President Trump's post in rather a fit like fashion. They
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  Speaker 1: were very angry. They were waving their hands and issuing
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  Speaker 1: statements and stomping around and refusing to shake hands. And
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  Speaker 1: they left early. Well, guess why, because President Trump posted
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  Speaker 1: a threat against HESBLA on a threat against the Strait
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't know how to react. Because Vahedi or
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  Speaker 1: how many two point zero or some council that's still
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  Speaker 1: living reacted back there and they didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I thought through what about that take?
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  Speaker 7: So I think that that's important.
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  Speaker 8: But that's also why President Trump's periodic interjections.
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  Speaker 7: I think are going to be really important.
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  Speaker 8: And Vice President of Vance confirmed the rumor that the
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  Speaker 8: Iranians even threatened to storm out. So that's true, the
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  Speaker 8: Iranians did threatened to storm out. But that just shows
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  Speaker 8: you how fragile this.
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  Speaker 7: Entire thing is.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, look, going into these negotiations, President Trump has
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  Speaker 8: amassed enormous leverage, I mean economically obviously, but with the
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  Speaker 8: military presidence in the region, which we have not withdrawn
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  Speaker 8: any of our military presidents out of the region yet.
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  Speaker 8: But what I am concerned about, Hugh, is that a
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  Speaker 8: couple of things, and what the Vice President said this morning.
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  Speaker 8: The first is that we're still linking the hesbla's attacks
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  Speaker 8: against Israel.
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  Speaker 6: To this thing.
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  Speaker 8: And it looks like this, this arbitration institution that we've
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  Speaker 8: essentially created, this cell, does not include Israel. It includes
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  Speaker 8: the Iranians, the Americans, maybe some other actors when it
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  Speaker 8: comes to Lebanon, and I think that that's going to
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  Speaker 8: be very problematic.
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  Speaker 7: The israelis just found this massive.
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  Speaker 8: Tunnel that Iran in southern Lebanon where the you know,
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  Speaker 8: where it has the law was launching attacks and so
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  Speaker 8: I'm worried about that. And then the second piece I'll
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  Speaker 8: just say, Hugh, is that we did get clarity from
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  Speaker 8: Secretary Vestin this morning about the nature of the waiver
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  Speaker 8: on sanctions. And these are broad sanctions on Iranian oil
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  Speaker 8: right out.
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  Speaker 7: Of the gate, and I am concerned about that piece
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  Speaker 7: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I did have a question about the best and
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  Speaker 1: waiver is that immediately revocable? I mean, he thought he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't need Congress or anybody else to authorize him to
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  Speaker 1: put it back on right, That's right.
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  Speaker 7: So it is My understanding is that waiver.
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  Speaker 8: So the sanctions are obviously there imposed with the support
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  Speaker 8: of Congress, but the waiver itself just permits him to be.
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  Speaker 7: Able to do that. Then the good news is this
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  Speaker 7: is still.
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  Speaker 8: Going to take some time to unwind, you know, to
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  Speaker 8: basically relax all of these It's immediate, I mean, it
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  Speaker 8: goes into effect immediately, but you know, you're going to
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  Speaker 8: have to get some buyers. See who's willing to buy
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  Speaker 8: this Iranian oil? But it even permits Americans to buy
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  Speaker 8: Iranian oil, so it's very massive, broad based relief. And
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  Speaker 8: then it relieves, of course, distinctions on everything that would
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  Speaker 8: facilitate the exportation of that oil, including banking and all
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  Speaker 8: of that, and so that is going to and there's
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  Speaker 8: no restrictions on where it goes to, so of course
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  Speaker 8: it's going to go straight to the IRGC. So that
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  Speaker 8: piece is concerning, but it does end at the end
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  Speaker 8: of this sixty day negotiation. Obviously President Trump is going
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  Speaker 8: to be watching this thing to see if we actually
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  Speaker 8: land some kind of permanent deal. So it is temporary,
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  Speaker 8: but it is pretty it is dramatic, and it is
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  Speaker 8: going to greatly help the Iranians in the meantime.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been calling this halftime Rebecca, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's a winner or loss. I think we're ahead,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: going into the locker room and half time to use
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: an American analogy, and we'll see what we're doing on
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: the whiteboard, and we'll come out after sixty days. Actually
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I think we'll come out after five months in the
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: election and either resume combat or enter into a deal.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I am a little bit afraid that my friend John Podhortz,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: for example, is an example of a hawk who's extremely
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: distressed called the Vice President J. D. Chamberlain today. Well,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: there was no piece in our time or piece of
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: as a hand. It wasn't that he said we're going
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to get inspections. And if he comes back and says,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: let me, let me give you a hypothetical. There will
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: be inspectors at Pickaxe Mountain in one week and now
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: have complete access to the facilities as well as the
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: other three facilities, would that be worth the pause in
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: your book?
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: Maybe?
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: I would say maybe if the Arabians, I mean my
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: big I mean I was part of the fight.
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: I mean I agree with President Trump.
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: That we should have that we should have pulled out
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: of the Obama JCPA obviously, And.
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: I remember all of the nuances of that fight, and
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: right when the.
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: Obama administration negotiated, I remember what they said were the
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: good what would be the criteria for a good deal,
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: and how they felt so short of it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: So I remember all those fights. And one of our
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: big problems that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: Republicans had with the JCPO A is that the IAEA inspectors.
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: The hard part's not getting them in Iran. That's not
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: that's an easy thing to do.
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: The hard part is anytime anywhere very intrusive on our
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: terms inspections of things like you mentioned Pickax Mountain where
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: we suspect this in rich uranium activity is going on.
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: So I mean, I guess I would just say I
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: still want to wait and see what it looks like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: I mean, I would say that my overall impression of
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: all this is, Look, I'm disappointed that we entered into
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: this negotiating phase. I understand why the President did it,
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: and I think it's important at this point, though, is
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: to just clarify as we go along what the Iranians
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: are doing and whether or not they're following the terms
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: of the agreement, or whether or not they're still tapping
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: President Trump along. I think that's going to be really
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: important for all of us over the next sixty days.
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: And then, of course, I mean, look, President Trump, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: mean epic Fury, Midnight Hammer did dramatic degradation of the
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: Iranian military, their nuclear program, of which I am thrilled about,
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: and so I'm still hopeful and confident that President Trump
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: still on stands also that this strait of hormuse cannot
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: be under Iranian control at all.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, not only can they not be collecting tolls.
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: They cannot have.
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: Management of it. I mean, it needs to be free
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: and open at international waters. And President Trump has said
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: that that needs to be the case from a decade ago.
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, I looked back at his statements from a
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: decade ago, and he was saying that. And so I
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: think that the fight over the Strait of Hormuse, we're
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: just not anywhere to that being over at this point.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree completely, and I hope you'll keep
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: coming back and giving us your candid assessment. Rebecca Heinrich
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: from the Hutson Institute, Thank you so much. I'll be
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back, America. Terrorist attack in Montreal to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Jewish neighborhood Neirahabad. One policeman dead, one wounded, attack or
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: at least one dead. One Israeli citizen, Michael Moshi Mzrahi
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: was killed during the shooting, which again was Nei Abad.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm joined now by doctor Michael Orn from Israel. Doctor Warren,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: have you heard about this yet.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Yesly DoD, you have heard from the news. Who was
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: on the Israeli news tonight? I guess it's on the
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Times of Israel afterward, and we don't know yet it
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: is shocking, is always, but not surprising. The Canadian government
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Prime Mister Carney himself admitted that Canada had failed to
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: combat anti Semitism throughout his country.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And I visited Canada not so long ago.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: The Jewish community there said that there's no future for
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: them in the country, that they can no longer send
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: their kids to public school. Not kidding, too dangerous. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: I heard very similar story in Australia. And I was
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: in Italy last week and heard the same thing from
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: the leaders of the Italian Jewish community. This is a
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: global plague, a scourge of anti Semotism.
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And when commentators in America and I rebuked Tucker Carlson
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: when he drew a circle around Hubbad with one of
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: his conspiracy theories, Habbad is just always in the target.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: They're always going after Habbad. It happened in India, It's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: happened in a couple of places around the world.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Now Montreal, in Bandai Beach is also Hobbad. Well, they're
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: very visible, and they're very present. They're very visible, they're
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: very present, they're out there. Unlike other many orthodox shoes
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: or ultra ethics shoes. They don't include themselves. They reach out,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: so they're easy targets.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, Michael, let me ask you about Switzerland talks. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: think the best thing about him was that President Trump
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: posted in the Iranians panic. They threw up their hands,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they got mad, they refused to shake hands. They left early.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Jdvan said they threatened to leave immediately because the President said,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, restrained as bala and don't threaten them straight.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think anything's going to come out of these
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: talks to you.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: There are three or four ways where the talks would collapse,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: one of which is if President Trump is playing for time,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: you know, sixty days, another sixty days, and other sixty days,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: get your pass passed beyond the mid term elections. Iran
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: could overplay his hand and make the ridiculous demands, for example,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: the immediate withdrawal of American troops from the entire Middle East,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: or charging exorbitant toll prices through the straight of Hermuz.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: That could happen. Donald Rum could come back and say, well,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: if you don't agree.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: To what I want, I'm going to destroy you, which
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: is pretty much what you said on and on it
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: is post yesterday that could also happen. And also Iran
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: may die of its wounds. You we don't know how
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: deeply morally wounded Iran has been. And if it's not
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: going to get economic release anytime soon, and even if
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: it does, who knows, they may die.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: We could have more massive.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Up uprising of the Iranian population.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: We don't know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: But with that, I must tell you the state of
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Israel tonight is in a state of depression. Everybody I
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: have talked to is lily feel like they've.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Had the breath knocked out of them.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: And the recent thing was the reason kicking the chance
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: came from this announcement from the administration that they're going
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: to create a special unit to reduce friction in Lebanon
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: and Union is going to be comprised of Iran, Pakistan
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: and Katar. Get this, Israel was not in It's not
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: going to insulted by it. It's like it's not putting
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: the fox in charge of the house and house. It's
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: like keeping the farmer out of the farm. And it's
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: putting us in an.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Utterly impossible situation.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: And we really just cannot believe this is happening to us.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, Michael, isn't that just silly. I mean, you just
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: discovered this tunnel complex that Iran built with Hasbi law
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that's made of grantite and extends all over the highest
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: ridge going in a northern gally. You're not going to withdraw,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and most Americans don't think you should withdraw, and this deepconfliction.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I think that was a cover for failure. I really
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: do think that that was just a talking point for
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a failure.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I hope you're right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: There's really news difference between the Biden terms of the
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Lebanon Seas fire from October twenty twenty four and the
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: current terms of the ceasefire. And one of the big
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: difference is that Biden allowed Israel to react if there
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: was an imminet threat or developing threat, and according to
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: the Trump plan, Israel can only act there's an imminent threat. Now,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Prime Mister nation Now came on TV tonight and said
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: that is what's going to reactive. It's an imminent threat
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: or developing threat, because that was the keyword developing. Developing
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: means you see a.
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Guy running with a missile.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: He's not ready to fire it, but he's carrying it
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: and it is going to react. So it's I just
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: hope it's not putting us on a collision course with
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: the Trump administration.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is because of the President of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Trump tweets this weekend post, this weekend dr Or, would
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you describe to people that tunnel complex and how it was.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's not something that happens without a nation state actor
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: behind you. It's like the Furor Bunker.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: But it's it's subsolutely different than the tunnels in Gaza.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: The tunnels in Gaza, which were as long as the
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: distance between New York and Washington. Believe it or not,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: we have something like the order three three hundred and
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: fifty to four hundred and fifty miles of tunnels under Causa.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: They were able to build those tunnels, to dig them
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: to that length because Gaza's made out of sand on
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: his rock, it's granited, and to dig through granted, you
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: need industrial capabilities. And this particular Donald Tunnel Coplex, not
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: only was dug deep underground with with with it had
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: iron doors, and it was it was the work of Iranian,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Iranian engineers, Iranian technicians, and it was filled by the
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: way with rockets and with and with drones that were
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: ready in prime to destroy and kill Israelis.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So has that been destroyed? And will the Israelis remain
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: on top of that site and in the fort and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: then draw the new line there?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Well, there's another line beyond it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: And these of the army has reported that there are
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: a number of Hisbella terrorists hold up underground in this headquarters.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: And the big issue tonight is to what degree will
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: and Israeli military move to to destroy that headquarters? What
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: what degree will that create yet another friction point with
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: the Trump Minister the Trump administration.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when the the place in Mecca where
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the Big Rock is was seized by terrorists and French
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: commandos had to go in and they drop poison gas
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: into the tunnels underneath the mosque, don't.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I remember this? Shertainly?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So why not that If the Saudis could do
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: that to terrorists, why can't the Israelis.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't forget to direct that question to somebody
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: else in Washington, not to me. I'm all in favor
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: of doing whatever you need to do to get rid
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: of the tunnels that put sea war into them, You'll
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: fill them up with c ent.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: But right now the question is we.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Are at loggerheads.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: We're at loggerheads with this administration that wants to open
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: the strait of your moves and keep it open to
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: the flow of ball. Wants gas prices to go down,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: and the Radians know this, and so they're using Lebanon
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: as leverage. And what administration has done is basically recognize
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Iranian suzeranty hegemony over Lebanon, depriving Lebanon independence, and then
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: threatening the fundamental security of this state.
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: Now, that is a very severe situation which we have
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: to address.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I agree that that would be I just don't believe
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that's the case. I think maybe the Vice President isn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: as skilled at communicating resolute American support for Israel as others,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: or maybe Secretary of Reveal will correct the record. Doctor
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Michael Hren allways, good to talk to. Welcome back America
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and Hewitt. Senator Tom Cotton joins me. He represents the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: state of Arkansas. He is the chairman of the Senate
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee's on the Armed Services Committee. It's also the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: chair of the Republican Conference. Senator cod let me begin
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: with the terrorist attack in Montreal this afternoon. One police
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: officer dead, one Israeli, a citizen dead, another police officer wounded,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: at least one terrorist dead at the same time that
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: THESA candidates are run around New York attacking Israel, bleeding
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: into anti semitism. Is there a connection between these things?
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: To you, I don't want to speculate, in part because
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: I've been kind of out of the new cycle today
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: working on other matters. But I just saw the headlines
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: where I joined you, and obviously it's a terrible thing
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: that happened in Montreal and wish the best for all
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: the people who were harmed in the family of the
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: officer who was killed. It certainly doesn't help to have
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: anti Semitic zealots, whether they're in Canada or in New
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: York City, riling up this kind of sentiment, and too
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: often in recent years we've seen our Jewish fellow citizens
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: subject to that kind of hatred and in some cases
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: violent attacks.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it leads me to the talks in Switzerland this weekend.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Cutter is announcing that there is a deconfliction arrangement between
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the United States, Lebanon, Iran, and Cutter. Israel's not involved.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we agreed to that. Do you think
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: we agreed to that well.
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: I hope the Vice President didn't agree to that. As
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: we've seen in ultiple conflicting reports, what actually happened versus
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: what guitar run says happened is not always the case.
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: But I agree most importantly with what the President said
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: over the weekend that we're not going to restrain Israel
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: from defending itself against a blood thirsty terrorists cult HESBLA
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: that has the blood of Americans on its hands as well.
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: Iran is going to have to restrain its terrorist proxy
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: if there is going to be any semblance of peace
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: in Lebanon.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Remember, Hugh, this comes at a time when.
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: The President of Lebanon has traveled to Washington and met
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: with Secretary Rubio, who's doing great work on this front
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: as well, and staid that Hesbelah is not Lebanon and
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: it does not speak to Lebanon. It is a terrorist
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: organization that has seized in part the reigns of power
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: inside that country. But the Lebanese president themselves, just like
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: I suspect most normal Lebanese want their country back. They
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: don't want to be a cat's paw for a run.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Now I am, I'm not so exerous about the MoU
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: As some of the conservative commentators on it simply because
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's halftime, it's a turnout, and we will
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: be back after the election in combat operations with him
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: unless they fold and capitulate. But in the meantime, I
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: wonder do you agree with that assessment? And what do
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you make of the fact that the President posted two
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: things over the weekend, one of warning Iran about hesbalon
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the other warning Iran about the Strait, and the Iranian
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: delegation had a fit. I mean, they wouldn't shake hands
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: with anyone, they left early, They made terrible say. I
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: think they didn't have instructions on how to respond to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Trump posts, and so the President used X to destroy
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: their plan.
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, first off to you, I think two rejects
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: what many on the left are saying, what the media saying.
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: I guess I'll repeat myself for you, that this is
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: somehow worse than Obama's deal or the Obama deal two
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: point zero, or we could have had the oba A
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: deal without a war. First off, as you say, this
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: is not some kind of comprehensive endorsement of Iran's nuclear infrastructure,
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: but rather a modest extension of a ceasefire to try
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: to permanently eliminate E Run's nuclear infrastructure. Second, and probably
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: more important, Obama didn't preceive his deal with three separate
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: military strikes in Run that destroyed their nuclear infrastructure and
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: destroyed most of their military and killed their terrorist mastermind.
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: So President Trump deserves credit for leaving Iran weaker than
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: it's been since nineteen seventy nine.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: And I see a.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: I do have concerns at certain aspects of the deal
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: or a step in the wrong direction, in particular the
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: lifting of oil sanctions immediately. There are other concerns that
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: are potential in the deal, like a reconstruction funds or
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: allowing rhymes, imposing kind of totra fields straight or from those,
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: but again those are more potential and speculative, and I
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: hope that the President wouldn't take those steps over the
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: next sixty days, but rather use the leverage he's built
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: up with those military strikes to either get a permanent
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: deal that eliminates I Ron's nuclear program forever or exposes
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: once and for all Iron's refusal to give up its
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: nuclear ambitions, and then finishes a job as they said
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: he would, over the weekend.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: So you just referred to Secretary vessins lifting of oil
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: embargo on Iranian oil around the world for sixty as
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Now as I understand the deal, it's all about reciprocity.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: We let their ships through our Blokay, they don't fire
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: on the Strait of Hormoves. Okay. Secretary Vestment gives them
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a waiver. We should get something. What I want are
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: IAEA inspectors and Pickaxe Mountain. Do you know if that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is that your understanding that it's a step by step,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: bit by bit we get something, you get something processed.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't know what we're doing here.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I don't hear you.
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: And again as we talk about it at the outset,
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: this an example of the reports coming out of the
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: meeting and switch troll over the weekend or contradictory device.
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: President said this morning that inspectors will be allowed back in.
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: But I gather now that Iron is disputing that. So
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: once again you know, Iran is playing a game of
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: cat and mouse and speaking out on both sides of
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: its mouth. So until we get further further clarity, I
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: don't know what actually was agreed to in Switzerland over
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: the weekend.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Let me switch to the home front, where Democrats at
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: least are clear senator shots from away likely to be
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Dick Durbin's replacement, as their whip said today that he's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: not going to be coy. There are a million things
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that Trump can be impeached for. Do you expect do
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: voters know what happens if the Senate flips? Why they
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: have to elect Susan Collins and John Houston and Michael
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Wattley and Ashley Hinson and Ken Packson because we cannot
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: freeze the country in two years of Democratic talking points.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: H I'm not sure yet. I mean, that's not something
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: probably that most vote have concentrated on.
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: They're still going about their daily business, trying to raise
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  Speaker 9: their kids and make a living and prove their communities.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: But I think as we get into.
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: The fall campaign, the Democratic rhetoric will be exposed and
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: they can't contain themselves either. You know, last January, after
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: trump inauguration, Democratic leaders were urging their members not to
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: talk about impeachment, And now they're all openly and excitingly
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: talking about how they're doing shadow impeachment hearings this year
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: so they'll be ready to impeach President Trump.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: On January third, if they win the House.
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: But I can't stress enough to your audience how vital
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: it is that Republicans controlled Senates not only for potential
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: supreme important nominations, other nominations for an important legislation, but also, Hugh,
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: so we could swat away meritless and frivolous impeachment charges.
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: If you were letting the Biden administration the House impeached
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: Alejandro Maorchis the Secretary of Homeland Security, Chuck Schumer established
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: the president, the Senate could simply dismiss those articles impeachment.
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: So a Republican Senate is a bulwark against twenty four
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: or impeachment versus a twenty four month impeachment trial.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well said, and I didn't know about that president one minute.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Senator Shatz's comments today increase the likelihood of reconciliation three
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: point zero out of fear that Democrats will simply not
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: fund in the Department award, they won't give anything to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: depending on.
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: Probably so h you, I'm open to getting our military
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: the funds it needs in any way, if we can
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: find Democrats who want to cooperate with us on a
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: traditional appropriations bill that would also probably include some disaster
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: relief for our farmers and other parts of the country
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: that have faced natural disasters behind it that if they
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: digging their heels and say they're not going to.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Fund our military, even though one of their.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: Main critiques to you is that we've wasted our munitions,
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: but they're not going to vote to replenish it, then
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: I would be open to using the reconciliation process to
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: fund our military as well.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Our troops need these fund stuff.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton always got to talk to you. Thank
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you for your regular appointment. I appreciate it. Don't go
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  Speaker 1: anywhere America. I'll be right back. I'm the huge dealership.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: We'll go back America. I'm to do it. Joined now
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: by America's columnist Seluzita Selena is of course President Trump's
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: favorite columnsts. She's also a Yenser. She lives in Pittsburgh. Selena,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: here's the question. On Friday night's special report, my winner
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of the week was a German World Cup tourist by
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the name of Freddie La seven and Freddie is currently
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: in Toronto. He's been through the American South. Everyone adopted him.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Earlier today, about an hour ago, he posted this is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: our plan for the coming days he's in Toronto. The
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: next game will attend a Germany's Round of thirty two
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: match in Boston on the twenty ninth. Since we have
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: seven days to get there, we decided not to take
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the direct route and make a huge detour through Michigan, Ohio,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and a few other states. Any recommendations for places
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: or cities to visit along the way are welcome. Now,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: if you look at his map on he's going to
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: drive the PA Turnpike. So I don't know if he's
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: going to make it to Boston. That's not really built.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: That's not an autovine.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Should he stop at Breezewood? What should he do?
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: If I remember correctly, you we were both stuck on
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: the Pennsylvania Turnpike during a wild winter storm a couple.
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: Of years ago.
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: Yes, actually I would.
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: Take us thirty I wouldn't take the turnpike, and yes,
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: I definitely stop in Pittsburgh. I would have him go
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: to the four pitt Museum, where the Triangle is, where
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: the fountain is, where the blockhouse still stands, and where
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: our country began during the French and Indian War. He
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: would have great views of Akishuer Stadium and PNC Park.
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: But then I'd take him to my German club, to
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: Tonia Manicure Club, which has been there since before the
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: Civil War, predates the Civil War, and then I would
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: take him on to maybe if he's staying in Pittsburgh.
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: Another day, definitely go see. I would take him to
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: a steel mill.
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: I would take him to the Robotic Center at Carnegie
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: Mellon University. Then I would go directly out towards Somerset,
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: you know, stop at Flight ninety three, the National Park
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: there where where twenty five years ago.
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: The country was attacked by terrorists. I would then go
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: on to Bedford Springs.
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: I would definitely definitely stay in Bedford Springs.
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: It's one of the oldest hotels in the entire country.
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: Seventeen US presidents have stayed there, including George Washington. And
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: then I would go I know he then has to
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: head up towards Connecticut, so I would go to Scranton,
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: where Big Boy is literally right there in the rail yard.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I wanted to go to the Rock and Roll Hall
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of Fame, and I wanted to go stop and morn
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: at the hot dog shop in Sunrise Pizza. But if
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: he's going that way. If is there any place to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: eat in Pittsburgh, I'm not aware of any good places
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to eat there.
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: Oh there's a.
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: Ton of good places.
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: I mean obviously at my German club where we have
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: a German chef, but there is also some great Italian
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: restaurants like Gissole which is in Shadyside, or a La
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: Familia which is in Beltzuber. These are really great restaurants,
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: locally owned, owned by immigrants.
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: That came to this country, so you know, there's a
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: lot of great food.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I thought I had bet that you were going to see, say,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: take him to a Pirates game and hope that your
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: phenom pitcher who stopped by the Little League field the
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: other night would be throwing that night. What's that kid's name?
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: Skians Paul skans Cy Young Award winner might win it
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: again this year.
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: He is incredible. The work that the American team did
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: in the World Baseball.
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: Classic was just it's sort of part of that full
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: event of celebration together that began with the men's and
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: women's hockey team, then went into the World Baseball Classic,
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: and now with the World Cup. It's really been a
• 40:14
  Speaker 10: great year to celebrate American exceptionalism.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Freddie, you want to follow Selena and talk to her
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: on X about where to go. Now, Selena, I want
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to follow up on the video you posted yesterday. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: think it was of your dad and your brother's going
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: fishing for seventy years in a row on Father's Day.
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: Is that what I take away from that, Well, they're
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: always there and this day changes every year, the opening
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: day of smallmouth fishing in Ontario. And they've been going
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: to the cabin since nineteen forty nine and my dad
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: has been waving. If you look at the video, it's awesome.
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: It's my dad waving to my mom who's standing on
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: the dock. They have been sweethearts since they were sixteen,
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: marriage since twenty one. But the really interesting thing is
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: is is that ten days ago my dad had a
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: heart suffered a heart attack. Within twenty four hours he
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: had two stinch put in and with ten days and
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: within ten days he drove ten hours to Buckcorn, Ontario
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: to go fishing with the family, as he has done
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: since he went with his immigrant father in nineteen forty nine.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: That is a fabulous Father's Day story and a salute
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: to American medicine. And I hope Freddy hears this or
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: somebody tells him to send you a DM and connect
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: with Selena Zito. Let her take you out to the memorial.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: That's the best idea, that's really the very best idea.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But try and keep him away from the Steelers fans
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and just don't let him. Yeah, kidnapping is not what
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: we want to have happen. And you can't go. What's
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the nasty part of town? There's a sketchy part of Pittsburgh.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: What's it called.
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: I never heard of this place.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, you are such a homer. You are such a homer.
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: Definitely have a terrible te if I meet him.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, it is a absolutely I must not go to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and in Ohio. You know northern Ohio as well. I
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: think in Youngstown there's not much to see, right, but
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Cleveland he could pick up some stuff. How about Michigan.
• 42:13
  Speaker 11: Cleveland is great, Michigan is great. Youngstown is always great.
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: I mean I would go and eat at the MVR
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: for sure, play Bouchy with the Keshisi family like they
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: would have a blast in Youngstown. I'd also go to
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: the Butler Museum in Youngstown, which is amazing.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: He's not a museum. He's looking for big and bold.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Did you see the Englishman post about going into Yosemite?
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: No?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I missed, said, Oh, I've reposted it, and I think
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Freddie went to Niagara Falls. Did you see that one?
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: I did see he went to Niagara Falls.
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: That is a place that we stopped every year going
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: back and forth from the cottage, and it is a
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: place that I'm always filled with wonder. I mean, Niagara Falls,
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: is it kitchy? Niagara on the Lake is perfectly preserved.
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: Nineteenth century is absolutely beautiful.
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: Niagara Falls. The city is kind of funky.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I think you should go to Breezewood. We got thirty seconds, yeah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: or nay on Breezewood.
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, definitely in Breezewood below it's changing.
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: They're diverting, they're taking the diversion off and there's going
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: to be direct access. So the little small, unincorporated farm
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: town of Breezewood, but only has not one hundred and
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: ninety two people living in it, is probably going to
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: go back to its ston.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Oh that's too bad because it used to be the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: mustap place for travelers between Ohio and d C. With
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a million terrible hotels, and every fast we joined America.
• 43:48
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• 46:42
  Speaker 1: through our many segments today. But Victor's back and he
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: was doing touching ghost stuff. He had us all worried. Victor,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: how's your health?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, I'm getting stronger. It was, you know, I'm kind
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of in limbo because the mutation of the tumor they
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: took out is not treatable by therapy. But they think
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: they got got it, and at five months the scans
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: are still clean. Unfortunately, I had a massive bleed and
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: so I had went back in for another four hours,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: you know, thirty minutes out and I lost three leaders.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: So I had at seventy two. They it wasn't too
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: good to get six transfusions. But I'm back and my
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: heart settled down. I had a fib and tack all
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: that stuff. But I'm out here on the farm, walking
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: five miles a day and trying to get back into things.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And hope you look terrific. You don't look like anything happened.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel terrific, but you look
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: terrific in the book's terrific. When did you finish writing
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: this after the surgery?
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: No?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You know what was very funny you last year, I
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: got the flu in February March and something was wrong.
• 47:54
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• 47:57
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• 47:59
  Speaker 2: kept pete. You know, pet mri ct. You know you
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: don't smoke, you jog, you don't drink. You can't have cancer.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: It doesn't look like cancer. Don't worry. And that one
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• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I had cancer, but I was told I didn't have it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And it grew. You know that the mass was seven centimeters.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: That's about your size of your you know, baseball. But
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the invasive part the cancers was only the size of
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a golf ball. So that was good. But it was
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: a very rare thing called they call it pseudo pneumonia.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: It's mucinus adenoma carcinoma. It looks like it's like a jellyfish,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and inside the jellyfish there was a tumor, but they
• 48:39
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• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Looks like ash but sounds like the winning answer at
• 48:47
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• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that again, can you?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: That's I can say it. I've had heard it so
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: many times. But I think they'd have six or seven
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: thousand surgeries at Stamford and they don't find this in
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: the long very often, maybe five or six times a year.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Well, we're grateful, very lucky, Booth. We're very very worried
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: about you and doctor Rian would give us an update
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: now and then from Hillsdale, and and we would a
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: great guy.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate both of your.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Concern congratulations on the book. So let's turn to the
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: counter Revolution. However, first I want to ask you about
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: where we are in the war with Iran and your
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: assessment of the war. Not the Midnight Hammer that's covered
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: in in the counter Revolution, but your assessment of Part two.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I think I confess I have an idiosyncratic view. I'm
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: not as pessimist. There's elements in it, of course that
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: that I'm worried about, but we have we have military
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: defeated the enemy, but we haven't strategically defeated them, and
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: that would require more force. And when people talk, well,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: we didn't get the subsidies stopped to the terrorist organizations
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: and we don't have all the missiles that requires. Really
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: ran to be a defeated protectorate with regime change, and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it could come, I hope, but we did that in
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Iraq and Afghanistan. We went in there, we removed the
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: regime and we dictated to them, and for a brief
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: period they obeyed, but that wasn't sustainable. It fifty three
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: thousand wounded, seven thousand dead, two trillion dollars. So we're
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: not going to do that, and that means you're not
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: going to have the same level of coercion. But I'm
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: kind of confident in this sense that long term things
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: are in our favor. When the people come out, when
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the kinetic part is over, they're going to see a
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: lot of devastation that we haven't seen because we don't
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: have ground troops or reporters on the ground, and they're
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: going to be very, very upset, and they already are,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: especially if this regime tries to take scarce money and
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: reinvested in this destroyed military nuclear industrial complex, which I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: think they'll try to do. So that's one thing. The
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: long term for the Strait is not good for them.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: You know, you know better than I that the Gulf
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: States are looking to expand or create new pipelines to
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: the Red Sea, the Arabian Sea, the Mediterranean Sea, which
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: would make it would make them independent as oil producers
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: from the Strait, but would make Iran actually more dependent
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: because people could shut them down without worrying about the
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Golf State exports. And then of course we haven't we
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: haven't done what Clinton did, and to an extend, Obama
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: did in Libya. Clinton was really in trouble in nineteen
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: ninety nine was Serbia with that. It was a similar
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: bombing campaign. I look back at day forty five, Melosevitch
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: was not budgeting, and then he started to hit the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Danube bridges to great criticism and took them all out
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and shut down all the commerce of Belgrade. And that
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: didn't do it good. And then at day fifty five
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: sixty he hit the grid and he started bombing graphite chaff,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: and he knocked it out. Almost every day they tried
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: to rebuild, he knocked it out. And what I'm getting
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: at is Trump has a whole array of those dual
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: use targets that we have not used yet. And so
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing now is this agreement was
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: to buy time to see if he can, you know,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: buck history, and preserve his congressional majorities in the House
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: and Senate and get the price of gas down and
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: limit the reaction to the inevitable line cheating by iron
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: to tit for tat until he can get past the midterms.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: And then I think if they continue, he's going to
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: unload on them.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: So Victor. I share your assessment. I am neither excited
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: nor devastated by the MoU because I think it's a
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: punch now taken to call it. It's halftime in an
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: American football sense, and we're in the locker room drawing
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: up our battle damage assessment and deciding what to do.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: And halftime I think is going to continue until after
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: the election. But there was one great thing about this weekend,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: which is the Iranian delegation arrived in Switzerland. They're cut
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: off from Bahiti and Hamini two point zero or whoever
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: is running the country, the coalition of that is still
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: alive in Iran and they can't talk to him. And
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: then Trump fires off two posts, one about Lebanon and
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: one threatening the Straight and they lose it. They really
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: melt down and they throw a fit and they won't
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: shake hands, and they storm out of the room. And
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: they were going to leave early, and maybe they did
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: leave early. I can't really tell. Well. All that tells
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: me is that Trump's posts landed on their target and
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: they're afraid of Trump and they didn't know what to
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: do because the regime is fractured, so Trump still has
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the power of posting and when he makes a threat,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: he's got it backed up by doing stuff in the past.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: What do you make of that assessing yes, no, that's
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: exactly right. And we remember one of the most fallacious
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: things are these people who are comparing it to Obama
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and say, well, we got just what'll when Obama negotiated
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: that he negotiated in twenty fifteen from abject weakness. They
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: knew he would not ever use force, and they were
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: in their ascendancy. They were bragging, they were importing Chinese
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: and Russian air defenses. They had two hundred combat aircraft,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: they had all these missiles they were developing, et cetera,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Now they don't have any air defenses. This
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: is a very unique situation where anytime the United States
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: wants to reply to Iran or Israel, are the Gulf
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: States who have six hundred combat aircraft. They can do
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: it with near impunity. They're completely defenseless for the moment.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a long moment. So
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: we've never been in a situation. So when you say
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: it's like the twenty fifteen no, we had no leverage
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: over them, and it showed with the results. We have
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of leverage, and then more importantly, they've we
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: don't know the denominary number of the missiles, We only
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: know the numerator how many we've destroyed. But given that
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: still their navy, their air force, their air defenses, their
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: command and control, they've suffered a level of damage that
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: we have never really inflicted on anybody, probably since the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Korean War. And it was a brilliant campaign. And it's
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: not over yet. So I think we're in a position
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: in the long term of strength. There's new alliances emerging
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: China and Russia's clients, whether it's Venezuela or Syria, Iran,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: have been diminished, and we're really given the turn of
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: events in Ukraine, I think if you Panama, all of
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: these conservative governments that are being elected in South America,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I think really we've turned the page and we're in
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: a very advantageous position.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: So, Victor, you're an analyst of history. You're a professor
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: of classics, but also military history. Very few revolutions in
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: warfare occur that you don't know about, all the way
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: back to Persia versus Greece and the Teliponnesian Wars, all
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the way through World War Two, and as you just said,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Korea war has changed. We have one that how much
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: on a scale of zero at one hundred percent is
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: war changed in twenty five years.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the last year has seen the most
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: radical change in warfare in my lifetime, because it's made
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: all of the traditional advantage is a very expensive weapons
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: of wars, eighty million dollar aircraft jets, fifty thousand dollars
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: individual missile. They've kind of made them. They've given parody
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: with cheap drones. And we're going back to the World
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: War II paradigm of quantity and good quality, but quality
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: not at the expense of quantity. And I think that's
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a welcome return and it will help us because nobody
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: makes quantity better than we can.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Victor will be back with me an hour three at
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: five o'clock East Coast time, two o'clock West coast time,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to talk about the counter revolution. In between then and now,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: you can go and order it and Amazon, Barnes and
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Noble and everywhere. It'll show up on the twenty five,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: the anniversary of nine to eleven. I think it is
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: a date designed by Victor. We'll talk about it with him,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: promised earlier. If you heard Victor Davis Hanson an hour
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: or two. He's back for most of this hour. His
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: brand new book is The counter Revolution, and I want
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: to dive into it. It's the first of what I
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: hope for two interviews, first half in the conclusion today,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: second half as we get closer to pub date on
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: September eleventh. But go and pre order it right now
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: at Amazon or Barnes and Noble or anywhere so you
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: get it on the first day that it's available. Victor,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: fabulous book. I don't think anyone else you can write
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: quite as clearly about Trump as you do, because President
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Trump is an enigma, wrapped inside controversy, wrapped inside a
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: crazy Democratic Party, and you peel off all those levels.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But I want to start with where does he rank
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: in terms of the butt four people? And the butt
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: four people are people butt for whom we would not
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: have the America that we have in twenty twenty five.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's like Lincoln an A counter example
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: would be Justice Tawny or General Grant or George Marshall,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: people but for whom their existence we would not be
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: here today. How does Trump rate among our greates?
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he's easily in the top ten. If
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: he had not been elected in two and sixteen and
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: then again twenty twenty four, I don't think we'd have
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: a border. I think instead of fifty three million foreign
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: born today sixteen percent of our population, we would have
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: sixty or seventy million. They were letting in, as you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: you ten thousand a day under Biden. That was unsustainable
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and five hundred thousand crime. He stopped that. He didn't
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: just stop. He didn't just reduce it. He stopped it.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: And the other thing that's really fascinating this time around,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: he didn't treat symptoms. He said there's a deeper pathology
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: in this country. And I only have four years. But
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not just going to attack the media. I'm going
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: to defund PBS if I can, in NPR, and I'm
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: going to sue people. He didn't just say I'm going
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: to repeal, try to pump more. I'm going to go
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: after the New Green Deal, the subsidies, the solar, the wind,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: make it market orientated. But I'm going to make us
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: the largest producer of gas and oil in the history
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: of civilization. He didn't just say that, you know what,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: the universities are unfair I'm going to get I'm going
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: to talk to him. He yell at him. He said,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to look at how they overcharge on government grants.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to look at their free tax, free endowment income.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to look at their violations of the Civil
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Rights Act. I'm going to look at their violations of
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: the Bill of Rights. And he really put the fear
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: of God into them, so I could go on. But
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: this is different. He's looking at symptomology to end this
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: projective project. And I didn't think that any president would
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: try that, but he did. It's much different than everybody's.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I can't figure it out. They're all saying the first
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: administration was much more sober and judicious. That was only
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't as ambitious as this one. He's trying
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: to change the very system and repeal almost one hundred
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: years of progressivism.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: And he's succeeding because he's radicalized the Democrats. And we'll
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: come back to that, but I want to let people
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: hear your words from page thirty five, as Victor Davis
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Hanson in the Counter Revolution, Trump's tranmergence after four long
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: years of political exile marked the most dramatic political comeback
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: in American presidential history. His climb from the abyss of
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: the Summit proved far more stunning than once defeated Andrew
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Jackson's defiant eighteen twenty eight victory. It was more likely,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: it was more unlikely than the return of Grover Cleveland
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: of the presidency in eighteen ninety two. Neither Harry truman
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: shocking nineteen forty eight upset nor Richard nixon nineteen sixty
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: eight resurrection was improbable. As Trump's political rebirth, it is
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: perhaps comparable only to the remarkable return from the wilderness
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: as Prime Minister in the Darkest Moments of nineteen forty
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: by Winston Churchill, a statesman for decades deemed too erratic
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: and too self absorbed to ever lead Great Britain. Now
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I read there an objective assessment of his political arc
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: that's got nothing to do with his policies or his
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: values or what you think of his character. And we'll
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: get to that. But objectively, I don't think anyone can
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: argue with that, can they?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, I don't think anybody
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: could have. I went back and looked at the polls
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: you after January sixth Rond de Sentis at one point
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: was ahead by thirty points. And then there were people
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that were his closest advisors, people had worked for him,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: had turned on him. Mitch McConnell said, I'm so happy
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: that this sob hung him, basically hung himself. There wasn't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: he didn't have support, and he was, you know, he
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: was in his late mid to late seventies, and yet
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: he not only fought five civil and criminal courtroom dramas,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: but each time he turned him to his advantage, his
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: polls went up when everybody was writing them off. I mean,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: it was and that no one still to this day
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: appreciates what he went through. I mean, on one day,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: just three days after he asked announced to his candidacy
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: in the White House. On the same day, Latita James
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: was there. We don't know why she was there. We
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: do know Fanny Willis sent Nathan Wade to meet with
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: the White House Council that same day. That same day,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Biden appointed Jack Smith as a special prosecutor, and that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: same day Michael Colangelo resigned from Number three after he'd
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: come from Latita James's circus back into Alvin Bragg. You
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: had the whole thing planned in the White House just
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: three days after he announced he was going to run again,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: and they all were for not basically, and everybody was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: saying he was he had no chance at all, And
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: it was amazing how many people abandoned him and thought
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: he was all through. I thought were polite.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I've written him off twice, Victor. I thought he is
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: done after January sixth. I thought he was done after
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Hollywood Access. I still voted for him, but I waited
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: till the very last day, but I called on him
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: to get off the ticket. So I too, I just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: like the conventional wisdom everywhere, just thought he was a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: dead man walking. And you isolate three things which I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: want people to understand. Number One, he views serial setbacks
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: or downfalls as transitory. Like he gets up every day
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: and says, I'm a new man. I'm going to win today.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: He has confidence and second and third chances. Number Two,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: his energy is physical. Energy is extraordinary. Yes, you quote
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: one senior advisor. The boss doesn't sleep, so you try
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: not to sleep. The pace is punishing. And then three,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: he's got a mastery of the technical new media. He
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: understands how you communicate those three things are a powerful triangle.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: They are, and he doesn't. I think most people I
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: know I follow in that category. When I'm criticized, I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: get self and you know, did I do something wrong?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: How can I prove myself? His attitude is we all
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: do something wrong? So what and now I'm going to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: get more of it, more of it. But the basic,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: my basic view of the world and the basic way
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I operate is not going to change. So it's more
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: of a and he bulldozes. You can criticize it, but
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: if you're in circle, you're encircled by enemies. That type
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: of open defiance is very rare. And he's also got
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: a brilliant way of looking at the media and turning
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: a setback or an attack into an advantage when they Basically,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: when Kamala Harris said he was lying that she did
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: work at McDonald's, all of a sudden, he gets millions
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: of dollars of free publicity by working at McDonald's. In
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: that one scene where the Indian American couple says, you know,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: he says, you know, we're nobody. He said, no, no,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: you're somebody. That was a moment that really shocked people,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: and then the garbage truck. They call him Biden, call him.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody could could could perform like that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: and think up these stunts and fill these rallies in
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: a way that he's a master. I've never seen Madison
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Square Garden. Everybody said it was a menagerie. It's when
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: he walked in there with Dana White, Joe Rogan, Tulsen, RFK.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: It was almost as if it was every type of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: eccentric person, but each one with a constituency, and he
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: had them all together and to a you know, a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: thunderous applause when he marched.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: In all as you've said, the gift of unimpressive opponents.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I've coughted you a couple of times this weekend when
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Democrats asked me about him, Well, Victor Davis Hanson said,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: he's lucky. He's got to get the unimpressive opponents. There
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: may be the most impressive three Democrats in a row. Clinton, Biden, Harris.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. And they and they were forced
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: multipliers because they hate him. They hate him so much
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: that they don't they don't expand they don't expand their repertoire,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: they don't bring in advisors. They just think that if
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I double down and call him a fascist and says
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: a rapist and says a criminal, if I do it
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: enough that he's going to crack or his supporters are
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: going to turn on him, and it has the exact
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: opposite effect on every instance.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: And he does that.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: He he was very but he's also he never he
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: talked about running as a third candidate for years, but
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: he did something that was very wise that other third
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: candidates didn't. He never challenged an incumbent Republican president, and
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: he waited until there was no incumbent Republican on the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: ticket in twenty sixteen, and then he knew that there
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: was no incumbent Democrat on the ticket, so it was
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: a wide open race with Hillary was That was his
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: moment and he took it, and then more importantly in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: two thousand twenty four, he was not afraid of she's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: the first woman of Kamala Harris. She's a mixed non
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: white an ancestry. She's DII armor plated, don't you know.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: He didn't care. He took her on as anybody else,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: and she was probably the in his I think you're right,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: and I think I said she was the most inept
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: candidate the one's ever faced.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: And hopefully she's back again for whomever. Our nominee is
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Victor Davis Hanson, coming right back after the break. The
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: book is The counter Revolution. It's available for pre order
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: right now, and you ought to go in pre order.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to is the Endless Array of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Anti Trumpers, which Victor covers at great length in The
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: counter Revolution stage. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Ewett, my guest.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: It's our Victor David his hands and his brand new
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: book is The counter Revolution. It's available at Amazon, at
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble. It's going to be a huge bestseller.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: President Trump's going to enjoy reading it. He may call
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: you up and yell at you about a couple of things, Victor,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: but I don't think you're flappable anymore. I want to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: go back and draw on your World War two extensive knowledge.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Some of Victor's best books are about World War Two.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: And you remember suicide clip on Saipan, where yes, thousand
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Japanese civilians jumped over the cliff rather than be taken
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: care of by American marines because they were.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: So afraid rewortedly twenty thousand, correct, by the time people
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: claim that much. I don't know if it was verifiable.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Do you think the never trumpers are like those people
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that they've lost their minds and they're going over the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: cliff because he's deranged them.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: The evidence suggests so if you take a few examples,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: nobody was more sober and judicious than John Bolton. He
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: was very careful. He was a Washington insider. But what
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: rage or what hatred or venom drove him to think
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: that he could be the National Security Advisor of the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: United States in classified meetings and then transcribed conversations or
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: discussions and mail him to his wife and daughter and
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: get away with it. He was rebuked in twenty twenty
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: during the campaign when they tried to stop the publication
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: of that memoir, and the federal judge lectured him and said,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: we can't stop the book. It's out, but you're going
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: to be in big trouble if you continue.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: And he was.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: And Bill Crystal made a lifetime of trying to explain
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: the conservative cause along with George will But what happened
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: to Bill Cristal. All he had to do was say
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that I principally disagree with Donald Trumpy, but he just
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: endorsed Mondani, a socialist communist that so much hatred he had.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: George will was one of the finest conservative stylists and essayists.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: But each column, again and again and again and again,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: was on the same topic. You know, the other day
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: some of the people on the right were complaining and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: they said, well, Trump is being run by neocons. He's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: being run by pro and the idea was that there's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: some Jewish cabal and these neocons are going to get us.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, well, who are the supposed
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Jewish neo cons Max Boot, Elliot, Cohen, Mona, Cherin, Bill Crystal,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: you name it. They're all on the left. They're not
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: they've all they're all apostates. They're not running anything in
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Trump's cabinet. So all of the people that we grew
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: up with as voices of the conservative movement, almost all
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: of the luminaries, completely lost it. And I think it
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: tells us a lot about what their view of themselves were.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: They really did, sincerely believe in twenty fifteen, if they
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: wrote an essay and said that's it, you can't vote
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: for this person, or they were on an ABC or
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: even a Fox Discussion, and they said he's toxic. He's
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: that the people were going to listen to him. They
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: couldn't be like Charles Krudheimer. He would disagreed with Trump
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: and did not like him, but was wise enough not
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: to go to that extreme and understood that just because
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: his methodologies are offensive or you disagree with him adamantly
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: on one or two issues, that he was preferable to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: the hard left candidate that was the people.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Many of them never Trumpers, like our friends at National Review,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Rich Lowry and others. Yes, our friends at Commentary, they
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: have come back from that position and they and Elliott
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Cohen the other day did a podcast with Aaron McLain
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: in the School of War and when he admitted that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: he had gone overboard in twenty fifteen and that he's
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: older now and wiser now, and now he's just going
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: to assess development by development, which is prudent. But I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: want to go back to the why you wrote about,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: what were the never Trumper's motive for opposing Trump, a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: candidate with agenda that in roughly four to fifth of
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: its policies matched their lifelong beliefs. You have a lot
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: of answers, but before I read it. I thought mostly
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: they were disintermediated from their influence. Their ambitions were dashed. Now,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: some of it was purely about money, and some of it,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: as you note, is the esthetic. They simply could not
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: reconcile themselves to the aesthetic of the guy from Queens
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: with the gold and the Trump Tower, big, bold, brash, loud,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: golf courses all over the world, that sort of thing.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: But they were not that. I really think they were disintermediated,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: so they couldn't come back. They went overboard, they went
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: over the cliff.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did, and they misjudged their influence, and more importantly,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: they put too high a premium on resume's curriculum. We
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: tie Washington experience being an insider rhetorical skills, and they
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: didn't understand that somebody who survived in New York, sometimes
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: by the skin of his teeth, who had to deal
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: with dubious unions, crooked politicians, green fanatics, hyper regulators, the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: DEI industry, and out of that Malu could build, build anything,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: and build it. That required a set of skill sets
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: that they were not appreciative of. They didn't understand that
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: that they didn't becomes. They didn't understand it at all.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't see things like Charlie Kirk either, and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I appreciate, yes, as a former colleague of Charlie, that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: you're right. The legacy media never appreciated that the new
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: student conservative activism on campus was really a protest movement
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: directed at the paralytic left wing establishment. I think of
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: the frat boys who are out there defending the flag
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: on various campuses like UNC et cetera. And they were
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: doing basic, patriotic, standard college kids stuff. But the left
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: had so entrenched itself and combined with the never trumpet,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: they were unaware of politics. They were so wrapped up
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: in their hatred of Trump that they were unaware.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Of stuff they didn't Charlie Kirk was an ethnic political
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: genius in the sense that he knew that it was
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: a natural tendency of youth to rebel, and he took
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: that rebelliousness and redefined who they were rebelling against. He said,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: it's not a bunch of old white corporate people of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: the sixties that are running things. It's a insidious left
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: wing corporate academic k through twelve, the media, popular entertainment, sports,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: these people are running it. And if you want to
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: rebel against the establishment. That's the establishment, and they are
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: the ones that are making it very hard to pay
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: back your loans, or to buy a home, or to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: get married at twenty three, and that was a very
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: powerful It seems a simplistic message, but that had a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: lot of insight that people had not appreciated. He created
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: revolution counter revolutionaries that were young and out of that
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: they could be young and hip and cool by rebelling
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: against the establishment, which is, as we all know, is
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: left wing. But he really articulated that in a very
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: clever way.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So, Victor, you and I are old guys, and that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: was quite a blow to lose someone of that talent.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Are you an optimist that others will step up to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: carry that forward? There's cotton advance. There are a bunch
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: of forty somethings, But what about the twenty something.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know much about the twenty at the somethings,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: but the people between forty and sixties that you talked about,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: they're much more impressive. We have a much bigger field
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: than the Democrats if you look at their people at
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: that age, whether it's tall Ico or Platiner or Lcie
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: that are running or the squad or AOC. They're not
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: going to they're not going to appeal to fifty one
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: percent of the people. So I'm very confident that what
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: used to be the young Turks of the Republican Party
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: have matured and they're really good. But I hope somebody
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: can can stand up and take We've had a lot
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: of blows. We lost Rush, Dennis Peger's been paralyzed, and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. Those people are and then we had some
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: people who were apostates and defected over to the hard right,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: anti Semitic right, and that was a blow too.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: We do have the Daily Wire, and we have some
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: great podcasters, and we've got some amazing new platforms like
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: the Sale New Channel. I'll be right back with Victor
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Davis Hanson and we'll talk some more about what Trump
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: did to the Democrats, because that's a story too think of.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hue Hewett. Victor. This is
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: a rather short segment, six minutes, but I want to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: go to your chapter three where you talk about the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: new Jacobin Democrats and people don't know what Jacobins are.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: There are French revolutionaries who sat on the far left
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: and were murderers. There were killers, and they're One of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Trump's achievements is he drove the Democrats insane. I think
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: that's a short way of summarizing Chapter three. They're nuts
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: now and tomorrow night in New York they're going to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: elect four more DSA candidates who are anti American, anti Israel,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: anti Semitic, left wing socialist extremement. Do you think the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Democrats recover from.
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  Speaker 2: This, I'm not sure. I mean, they did after McGovern
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: but it took them Bill Clinton, and I don't It
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: can take a decade. Jimmy Carter was just a parenthesis.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: They didn't really recover for a long long time until
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: they got Clinton and they went back to the center.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: These people are year zero people. I mean the Jacobins
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: renamed the days of the week, the months except for
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: a year zero. They but these people tried to do this,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: you know, the sixteen nineteen project a new Foundational date.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: They changed the vocabulary. I don't even know what LATINX means.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: I live in a community ninety five percent Hispanic, nobody
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: knows what it means. They were changing and they tore
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: down statues. Earl Warren's name disappeared from Bolt Hall. I mean,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: I walked to my office one day and I said,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: where is u Nippio Sarah's Circle where the tower? They
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: said doesn't exist. I said, it does. It's been here
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: since there was a student here. No, they renamed it.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: He whipped indigenous people when he was a priest. So
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: they were trying to remake every aspect of American life.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: And whether it was the professional sports take a knee
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: or it was, it was kind of a continuance of
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: me too, and it was It was really a scary time,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: you know, and Donald Trump stopped it.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Well now they've gone to violence thermidor.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had gone.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: There's a plot to attack the White House during the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: UFC event. And that's just the recent the killing of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Brian the healthcare executive in New York, Luigi Mangioni. All
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: that stuff we've got, We're back to the late sixties,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: early seventies. You think it's gone that far.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: I think it has. And you know, Trump says things
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: that sound extreme when he talks about the illegal aliens,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: and illegal alien was reportedly one of the architects of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: this latest effort to kill Trump, and when you read
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: about it was almost macarb. They were going to cause
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: panic at the event and then use snipers to pick
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: people off in a predetermined trajectory. These people are very
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: dangerous and they are self defeating. Though, when you see
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: the types of anti Ice, when you get a lot
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: of elderly, prosperous, upscale elites and they're waving plastic fallacies
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: at working class Mexican American people who are in Ice,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: which is forty percent Mexican An American, and they're trying
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: to protect their communities from illegal aliens and they suffer
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: from gangs and over crowded social services and excepting. And
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: then you had these very privileged white people that are
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: elderly from the sixties, and they're very gross and obscene,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: and they're attacking the middle classes in Ice. It really
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: was they don't understand how they appeal to most people.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: They really turned people.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Off, and I hope they keep going. You also conclude
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: in that chapter Trump's maga conservative agenda was far more
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: revolutionary than even Reagan's and a terrified Democrats even more.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's ended, and I'm not sure that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party. We'll talk about that next segment. I
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone's back and away from that agenda, with
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: the exception of perhaps tariffs, which I still continue to hate.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the agenda, Victor?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he's like an eagle. He surveys the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: landscape and he has a certain predetermined agenda. But then
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: he says, what this this issue a seventy thirty sixty,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: forty eighty, yes, the border, is this DEI yes? Is
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: this transgender issue? Yes? And when he lops onto it,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: people think he's provocative or extremists, but he knows in
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: advance that the people are with him on that particular issue,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't get into the other things as much
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: as conservatives might like, like abortion for example. I mean,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: he's against you up to the moment of birth and
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: all that, which as he should be. But he knows
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: where he knows where the money is as far as
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: these issues, and that's why one of the reasons he's
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: been very successful with this counter revolution.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: I will be right back with one more segment with
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Victor in part one of what will be a two
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: part interview, will have him back before the book drops.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: The counter Revolution can be pre ordered, though it's at
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Amazon right now, and I can tell you right now
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: that you will be very satisfied. You have a lot
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: of answers to the question. But when we come back,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: what did Donald Trump do to the Republican Party? Because
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: we've talked about what he did the Democrats, what he
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: did to the agenda, what he did for the country,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: But what do you do to the GOP. We'll talk
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: about it after the break. Don't go anywhere. Victor Davis
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Hanson will be right back. Welcome back in America. I'm
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: who Hugh had. Victor Davis Hanson's here for the final
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: segment of this interview about his brand new book, The
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Counter Revolution, which you can pre order at Amazon. Victor,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted to focus in on the GOP. I've been
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: a Republican my whole life. My first campaign was in
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. I worked for Jerry Ford in nineteen
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: seventy six. I am an establishment Republican. I'm from the Midwest.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: It's just classic Bob Taft and Jerry Ford Republicanism, and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: it's usually quiet and it's polite. Donald Trump is nothing
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: like that. But you note that he's been in charge
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: of the party for ten years, but even five years
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: before he came along the tea party, blew up and
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: sort of plowed the field for him in which to plant.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Now he's been in charge of the gop off and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: on for tenure. What's he done to it? In your view?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he took the idea of class, and he got
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: rid of race, and he substituted with class. His one
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: of his messages was, if you're Hispanic electrician, or you're
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: a black truck driver, or you're a white assembly worker,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: you have more in common with each other and us
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: than each one of you do with the people on
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: the view, for example, or Barack Obama. And he got,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: you know, variously, perhaps twenty five or twenty six percent
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: of the blackmail vote. He might he probably got fifty
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: one percent of Hispanics, fifty eight percent of Hispanic men.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: That seems impossible for the Republic. We had fine candidates.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: The two Bushes were fine people. John McCain was a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: fine man, Mitt Roalmney. But they were all easily caricatured
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: as an out of touch aristocracy. And it should have
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: been applicable to Donald Trump. He was a billionaire, he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: was privileged, he grew up with wealth. But there was
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: something about his the way he felt comfortable with the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: working classes, and therefore he said, we're not going to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: touch Social Security. I think he might have wanted to
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: reform it would have been wise, but he wasn't afraid
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: the terriff issue. He talked about jobs, foreign investment, if
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: you come over a country, you have to hire a mayor,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: and that really resonated. And so the Democrats were very
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: They had lost ten the Republicans had lost ten to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: fifteen million white males that were not participating or they
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: had voted for Obama, and Trump won them back. And
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: so that was a startling achievement for Republican to get
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: that the Hispanic vote, or get twenty percent more Asian votes,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: or even get any of the black vote, and to
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: the degree that he did. And that was all because
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: he was trying to create a class solidarity. But he
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: didn't do it with class warfare. It was just that
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: we're going to emphasize the middle classes with energy development
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: and get you know, that's why he was so paranoid
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: about the price of gas all of this in California,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: said why is the country panicking? We've been paying six
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: dollars for a long time. But his point of view
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: was I know my supporters, and I know they can't
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: function on five dollars a gallon gas, and I'm going
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: to get it down. And that drives him more than
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: anything to solidify the middle class, and he brings them
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: together in ecamenical fashion.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Can you hold it? And this is a bigger question
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: than just the middle class. When you throw the door
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: open and you say come in, I'm an opportunity guy.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: I want every boat to rise with a rising tide.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I want to grow, grow, grow, grow through that door.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Came some anti Semites, and this alarms me. In fact,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: we ought to be the refuge. We being Republicans, ought
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: to be the refuge of every supporter of Israel, Jewish
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: and non Jewish in America. Because the Democratic Party is
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: anti Israel, anti Semitic. We're not, except for a few
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: dark corners of the party. Does he have to take
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: that on directly? Is that point for the GOP?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I think both of us have lost a lot of
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: friends over this is Yeah, and I have. And it's
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: a terrible thing because it's anti empirical. The only liberal, open,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: humane society to tell you the too that's consensual is
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Israel and it's been a wonderful ally. We wouldn't have
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: been able to conduct the mission last June to take
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: out the nuclear facilities if Israel hadn't have taken out
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: the air defenses before. It a great risk. So almost
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: everything they say the Jewish American community has been one
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: of the greatest assets to America. But this idea that
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: it's a dark cabal and they're running things. And the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: problem with the Jewish community is it's dissipating, it's intermarrying,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: it's secularizing. It's like the Greek American lobby, and it's
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: not nearly as powerful as the new emerging Muslim community.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't have the power that is attributed to him.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: And I think I don't know how he has to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: speak up against it. And I think jd Vance. I
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  Speaker 2: like him, I respect him, I've met him, but I
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  Speaker 2: was disappointed that he took on Israel in the fashion
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  Speaker 2: he did because he mischaracterized so many things.
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  Speaker 1: I help correct. I hope he correct to. I want
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  Speaker 1: to close by telling you about the end of your book.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing this out of order because I want people
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  Speaker 1: to know you right that Trump wants America to be
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  Speaker 1: a colossus bestriding the world, So do I because we're
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  Speaker 1: a great and good nation. Do you think most Americans
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  Speaker 1: are comfortable with, or at least a majority of voters
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  Speaker 1: are comfortable with the idea of American colossus.
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  Speaker 6: I am.
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  Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think the majority are. But even
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  Speaker 2: to you know, paraphrase Paracocles, in the heart of everybody,
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  Speaker 2: there's a desire to be pre eminent, and even the
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  Speaker 2: left under the they wanted to be prema in a
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  Speaker 2: different way with the Obama. But what he has done,
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  Speaker 2: he has taken Silicon Valley and all of these entrepreneurs
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk or David Sachs or Martin Zu and he
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  Speaker 2: said to them, I'm not going to get into politics
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  Speaker 2: with you, but I am going to protect you. I'm
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: going to protect you from European censorship and I'm anti
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  Speaker 2: trust laws. But you have to do one thing for us.
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  Speaker 2: You have to make America prim elon. You've got to
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  Speaker 2: have more satellites than all of the European continent together
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  Speaker 2: in one year. You know, we're going to be the
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  Speaker 2: top in AI. We're going to get the top in robotics,
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be the top in crypto. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to be the top Enginet. It's almost like the War
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  Speaker 2: Production Board of World War Two and William Knutson, Henry Kaiser,
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  Speaker 2: Henry all of them were very anti Roosevelt, but he
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  Speaker 2: was able to say, just suspend the politics and make
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  Speaker 2: us produce more and be greater than the Axis powers.
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  Speaker 2: And it's very exciting to see all of these young
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  Speaker 2: people that were left wing are now frantically trying to
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  Speaker 2: make drones and hypersundic missile and change the paradigm of
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: weapons procurement. And it's very patriotic. I was very surprised that,
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  Speaker 2: but it was Trump's idea that I don't care what
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  Speaker 2: your ideology is. I just want you now to use
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  Speaker 2: all of your expertise to beat the competition and to
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  Speaker 2: make us pre eminent.
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  Speaker 1: And last question, Victor thirty seconds. I am not afraid
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  Speaker 1: of Caesarism. I really am not, because I think the
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  Speaker 1: Constitution is very strong. Do you agree or disagree with me?
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  Speaker 2: I agree entirely. I was very worried the Caesarism will
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  Speaker 2: come not from the right, because the right traditionally has
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  Speaker 2: had a hostile view with the press, and the institutions
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  Speaker 2: have been left wing, and they still are it'll come
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  Speaker 2: from a suave, rhetorically speaking left wing people that the
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  Speaker 2: press will give up, and we saw a glimpse of
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  Speaker 2: that with Obama.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I'm glad that glimpse is over.
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  Speaker 1: Victor David's Hanson again. So good to have you back.
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  Speaker 1: I look forward to talking to you a couple of
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  Speaker 1: months about Part two of my long interview on the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: counter Revolution, available in bookstores soon at Amazon right now.
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  Speaker 1: Victor Davis Hanson can be followed at X at VD
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  Speaker 1: Hanson and boy, it's great to have you back.