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With Marjorie Ray · Urantia Radio

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  Well, we're back again and it's so good to hear from you again.
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  I want to encourage folks who are just tuning in or have been
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  with us that this is as much about you as it is about me
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  exploring the 5th Epical Revelation, a revolutionary
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  spiritual document we know as the Ranch Book.
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  And we are going to be blessed to have a guest coming in.
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  We've had her on before. Her name is Marjorie Ray.
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  A little bit about Marjorie. She is a scientist at heart,
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  actually a retired biochemist, she was given the Rancho Book
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  about 45 years ago. John Mills, also a trained
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  scientist, was an early and profound influence upon her
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  studies, and after she graduated in Florida, Margie became a
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  scientist at the University of Alabama, Birmingham.
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  Birmingham, such a great city, having participated in some of
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  the largest science endeavors on the planet, including six NASA
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  Space Shuttle missions, a Soyuz, and one SpaceX mission to space
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  station, Margie continues to find coherence in both science
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  and personal religious experience as it is revealed in
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  the Urantia Book. Now in her 7th decade, she hopes
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  to be more service to the Urantia Book community.
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  And boy is she. We're going to spend a lot of
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  time talking about the present state of the Urantia movement,
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  what fascinates her about the teachings, and so much more.
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  There is an upcoming scientific symposium that's going to be
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  available for people to watch online.
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  And it's going to feature an array of of great thinkers who
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  also happen to be ardent Durantia book students talking
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  about a wide range, a scientific subject.
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  So we're looking forward to that.
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  And Marjorie is coordinating it along with a team of great
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  supporters. And I also want to give a real
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  big thanks to Joanne Strobel for helping to coordinate, but not
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  only some of the people that we're speaking to, but behind
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  the scenes doing so much great work for the Urantia Foundation.
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  So we'll be joined by Marjorie Ray on the other side.
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  Hang on. We'll continue in just a moment.
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  You're listening to the Urantia Radio Podcast, and I'm your
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  host, Jim Watkins. So welcome back and we're going
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  to talk about what's coming up at this Science Science
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  Symposium. But before we jump into that, I
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  do want to talk to you about various events that you've been
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  telling me about. And one of them up in San
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  Francisco not long ago. And you mentioned you were also
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  in in Israel not long ago. You've been doing a lot of
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  traveling and it sounds like you're meeting with a lot of
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  different folks from all over the place, part of the growing
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  Urantia community, and I'm very excited about that.
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  Can you share some of the more exciting things that have been
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  going on that you you've been able to experience?
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  Well, yeah, thank you, Jim, for having me, first of all.
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  But yeah, I've been pretty fortunate.
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  I've been lucky. I didn't get to go to Israel,
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  but our friends, the rememberbs that do live in Israel, met me
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  in Greece and I was there for a family wedding.
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  I went early so that I could be with Gabriel and Sandra and we
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  just had a lovely time. We made the trip to Corinth, to
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  ancient Corinth. And of course we read the the
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  paper with when Jesus was there with Gainad.
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  And I read that in the car as as Gabriel drove us over to
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  Corinth. And so we were all just so
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  excited and the museum there is just fantastic.
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  And they finally have found the stone that represented that.
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  They know where the synagogue was actually located in old
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  Corinth. And they had only unearthed that
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  in the last few years. And that was a sort of a big
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  deal. So we got to take a picture of
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  that and see it and it was just really exciting to, I mean, they
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  live in Israel. So they, you know, they, they're
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  there all the time where Jesus walked, but I have never been.
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  So I, this was the first time I had actually physically been to
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  a place where Jesus had actually been.
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  And so I, I have to say, I was just awed that I was standing
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  and walking on the same ground that our beloved Michael did,
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  you know, while he was here as Jesus.
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  So that was just so much, just so much fun and so inspiring.
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  And Greece is just such a beautiful country and the people
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  are just wonderful. And so that was really good.
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  And then I went to a rancher book retreat that was sponsored
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  by the Golden Gate Society in Menlo Park a week before last
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  and it was just so much fun. And Paula Thompson was a
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  facilitator and we got to spend 2 full days talking about Jesus
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  and his teachings and how we can carry those on or recognize
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  things out of our life that are, you know, that kind of his life
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  has informed perhaps our lives. And it was just a it was very
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  inspiring, really. And it was done.
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  It was in a beautiful place in, in Menlo Park that was had
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  gorgeous gardens and we got to walk in it and it was good.
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  There's just so many wonderful activities.
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  I'm on the the IC is going to be in in a Sylmar and I among the
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  committee for for that. We're having a meeting about it
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  tomorrow that will be next summer.
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  So that's a big thing that's going to be coming up plan, you
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  know, work on your calendar July of 26 for going to, you know,
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  the International Conference. So that that'll be fun.
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  The Solomar is also an amazing place because some huge
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  conferences that based on science and the moral and
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  ethical use of science had been held on this very spot that
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  we're getting ready to, we're going to have our international
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  meeting at. So that's, that's kind of
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  exciting for me as a, as a science person.
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  There's just so many other wonderful projects being done by
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  so many different organizations, you know, the world over.
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  I'm, I'm very active in the Center for Unity and we're
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  rolling out projects all the time and it's just exciting to
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  be a part of that. You know that all those projects
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  that are that are coming. So you'll be hearing and seeing,
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  if you follow the Center for Unity, you'll be seeing a lot of
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  new stuff roll out over the next few weeks.
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  Some of it is going to is pretty, pretty staggering
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  actually, the amount of work that's been done, but also what
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  it's produced. So anyway, I'm just excited.
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  I'm excited for the future of the revelation.
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  I just think we're, we're, we're doing and, and being so much,
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  you know, being very effective so.
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  Yeah, I, I talked earlier, it was about the African
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  Urantiathan, which, you know, I was excited to see too.
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  Oh, yeah. I can't wait.
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  Yeah, yeah. I did You go to the last.
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  The last one was there's this young girl from Nigeria and and
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  I talked with April Helen when we were down in Menlo Park and
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  she, she knows this young lady, that young lady, she was only
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  like 16 when she talked the last time.
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  I think she's going to talk this time.
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  She is absolutely fantastic. She is going to be one of the
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  great leaders of the revelation, be it internationally or or in
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  Africa, I don't know which. But she, when you, once you hear
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  her speak, you just realize that there is there is so much
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  brilliance there and so much deep, deep commitment and
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  spirituality in this young lady. It's just awning to see it.
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  So I can't wait for the your, you know, to for the your
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  erasure. I, I listened to every minute of
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  it last time. It was great.
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  And so I'm really looking forward to it this time too.
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  So for sure. You seem seems like we're at a
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  can maybe a tipping point. Would you say maybe that there's
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  enough awareness now? We're, we're, we're not quite
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  mainstream, but we're getting to the outer fringes of it and, you
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  know. Yeah, I think we're, you know,
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  we're going to make some, some inroads, you know, in, in the
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  next few years. I'm 76 now.
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  I hope it's going to be in my lifetime, but maybe not.
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  It's it's there's just, well, it's because there's a lot of
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  need. You know, people are, are with
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  all of the chaos that's going on in the world over, people are,
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  are still looking for, you know, they're, they're still
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  spiritually seeking. They're looking for, you know,
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  comfort and, and, you know, resolution to, to the questions
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  that they have in their, you know, in their hearts and in
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  their minds. And so, you know, the time is
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  sort of ripe to, to present the revelation is an alternative way
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  to look at the history of, you know, of our planet and how
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  humans evolve and how our, particularly our spiritual
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  lives, you know, evolve. And so I, I, yes, I feel very
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  much so. And as far as science is
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  concerned, you know, particularly in the areas like
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  cosmology or, or, you know, biochemistry or genetics, the
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  whole deal, there's, there's just more and more discoveries
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  made all the time that, you know, bring our science a lot
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  closer to what is in, in the book.
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  And so we actually have the Jeff Taylor is going to sort of take
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  that whole topic on and and his topic at the symposium is, is
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  the Urantia book scientifically plausible?
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  And he looks at a a number of assertions, scientific
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  assertions in the book and relates them to things that have
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  been published or, you know, discovered in very recent years.
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  OK. And so it, that should be a
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  very, very, you know, interesting talk and.
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  Then that would be a very that would be worth the price of
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  admission. You know I.
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  Was going to dovetail on that. I've seen more now than I've
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  seen in a while. There's more scientific
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  assertions that that that through science and mathematics,
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  they're being able to recognize that there are patterns now that
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  we recognize as being indicative of intelligence, you know,
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  intelligent design and so forth. And there doesn't seem to be as
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  much of A pushback A pushback. Would you say that despite our
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  best efforts, are we becoming more spiritual, do you think?
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  Well, I mean, I of course, the adjectives are certainly, you
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  know, and, and, and all of all of our universe, mother spirit
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  and ours is pushing us. Hopefully that, you know, that
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  way. I think that, that, you know, we
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  have this huge group of young people the world over who really
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  are rejecting organized religion per SE.
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  They, they just don't have a lot, They don't want to put a
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  time or energy into that because they, they really, they either
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  don't find relevance or, or they, they, they can't harmonize
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  with it. They can't accept some of the
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  tenants or whatever their reason is, but yet they are truth
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  seekers and they are are they are spiritually yearning to, to,
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  you know, for something. They know that there is many
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  things greater than themselves and they're they're trying to
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  to, to put it all together for themselves.
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  And so, yeah, I think so. I think, you know, the the next
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  the millennials on are are much more poised to now I'm talking
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  about globally, maybe not in your local area in the United
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  States, particularly because there's there's still some
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  tremendous holes on, you know, evangelicals and all that.
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  And that's just got to work itself out, you know.
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  But at the worldwide, I think absolutely, you know, it's and
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  certainly in South America, Central America and Africa, it's
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  just, you know, everything's just burgeoning.
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  I mean, it's just that's where that's where all of our young
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  people are. Not all of them, but the
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  majority of the young people that are really engaging with
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  Revelation, that's where they are at the moment, you know, so.
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  We have to take note though, or I, I sense it with the death of
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  Kirk and now with the Israel and a possible Hamas thing that's
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  going on, which is pretty important as on a social level,
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  at least that's the way it's, you know, I see it and you know,
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  clearly things there's like a yearning for less war and more
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  peace on, on the on the street level on.
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  Now, maybe that's not the case on the political level up there,
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  but it does seem that people like you say are reaching.
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  They're looking for answers that are more substantive these days
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  and they're not getting it from social media.
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  It's, you know, that we, we we all know the statistics and the
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  loneliness, you know, and all that and mental illness.
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  And so you're right, I think maybe that is pushing us
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  towards. But something that I think the
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  evangelists and the Urantia book people have in common is that we
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  keep, you know, we're anticipating that something big
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  is about to happen. Do you get that feeling too from
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  talking to people in the Rancho community that they're
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  anticipating something or? I'm not trying to say that there
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  is, I'm just wondering 'cause that seems to be what?
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  I'm seeing from the Christian. Community.
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  Yeah, I think from the Christian, yeah, they want it to
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  be the end times and all that sort of stuff.
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  But I think people that are particularly well grounded in
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  the Urantia book, there's always been those who, you know, think
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  that Jesus is going to come tomorrow.
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  I mean, that we've had people here on this planet that, you
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  know, right after he, he, he died and he left.
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  They still thought he was coming tomorrow, You know, and there's
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  still there are people within the Urantia book that thinks
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  that. And there are many Christians
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  now that think that he's, you know, going to, that these are
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  in Tom's and he's going to, you know, he's going to come.
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  But if you're well grounded in the in the book, you, you
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  realize that we may be in a time of, of, you know, retrogression
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  or, you know, when things are, are really chaotic and there are
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  times that's that that societies take giant steps backwards, but
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  then that allows them to move forward ultimately.
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  OK. And so, you know, it's that
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  statement about, you know, sometimes your most, you know,
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  it has to do your, your most cherished idea or whatever has
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  to die for it to be reborn into something new and better.
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  OK. But I think people that are
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  really well grounded in the arrangement book realize that
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  this is just, you know, a phase. And we are just like those 1st
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  century Christians, you know, our job is to make sure that it
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  moves forward, that it goes forward, that it doesn't, you
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  know, become a dusty old book that's on some old library
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  shelves and, and nobody ever, you know, engages with it at
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  all. OK, that's our job.
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  That's our job now. And the and, and to, you know,
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  just like it says in the book, you know, forward thinking men
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  and, and women that, you know, that can present a modern, you
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  know, every generation has to have its interpretation of Jesus
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  and that it calls for that in the in the book.
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  And I think we, you know, when we look at those quotes, we
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  realize that that's our responsibility, you know, is to
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  get it from our generation and and secured in the next or even
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  the next in the next before we leave the planet.
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  And so, so, you know, we, we are, I, I can tell you that a
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  lot of the people that I talked to that are, that are older,
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  like me, we're, we're, you know, we're getting ready to see one
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  of the greatest shifts of, of financial shifts that's ever
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  occurred in mankind from one generation to another, when the
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  baby boomers leave the planet and leave their, all of their
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  resources off on the millennials or, you know, whoever.
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  So it's it's a, you know, a time that we realize that it it it's
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  our responsibility to make sure that things, you know, things go
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  forward in into the future. What are what are we going to
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  leave, you know, for our young people to have to work with in
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  in the future? OK.
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  And so a lot of older people are are really thinking along, you
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  know, along these lines that are part of the movement that I've
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  been I've been speaking with, you know, we're we're trying to
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  encourage young people to, you know, get involved and, and, and
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  the what it takes to move the revelation, you know, forward so
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  that it doesn't become a dusty old tone that nobody ever wants
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  to refer to, you know, or anything there.
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  There's other areas that need to be done.
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  I mean, it, it doesn't have in the, the book itself needs for
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  it to get to go forward is it's got to eventually develop some
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  academic, you know, credibility and that's going to take a lot,
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  a lot doing. We got a lot, we got people that
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  are working on that area too. OK.
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  So yeah, you know. It's looking at the upcoming
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  itinerary. For example, many of the people
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  that will be presenting at the do you like the Zoom format as
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  opposed to the symposium where the old days where people would
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  actually travel. Do you think it'll ever get back
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  to that at some point? Or have we all just decided we
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  don't like to travel? Because I think there's a
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  different vibration when you're there and.
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  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  I totally, yeah, I totally. We, we originally planned on
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  this one being, you know, originating at the foundation
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  and I was going to be at the foundation for the, for it.
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  And, but we, a number of our presenters, and if you look down
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  this, this list of people that are presenting, with the
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  exception of of one or two or three guy, the rest majority of
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  them are, you know, they're, they're of my generation or even
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  a little older, OK. And so, and now that they're
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  distant people like Nigel Nunn, that's in Australia, he, he came
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  to the first one and that it, and that was very difficult
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  'cause, you know, just getting on normal time where he was
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  awake and, and when we were all awake, it was really difficult
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  for him, you know. And so, and with Gabriel being
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  in Israel, you know, and they're both, both presenters, it's, it
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  makes it really tough. So being.
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  Virtual it, it makes it a little bit.
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  Then some of our older presenters have personal
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  situations that were not going to allow them to travel, even
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  though in the past they had traveled to the foundation, but
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  they were not in a position to do it now.
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  It just did. It turned out there was only
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  going to be me and maybe 1-1 or two other people there.
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  So it, we moved it back to being totally virtual.
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  I hope you know one day that that the, you know, that the
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  symposium will be in person, but it will be in person in a much
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  larger format, You know, where there are people that can come
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  to it and, and sit in the audience and listen and engage
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  with the scientists on a personal basis at dinner and
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  lunch or whatever. And, and ask and have a lot of,
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  you know, a lot of good conversation because that's what
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  really stimulates people. I mean, it's one thing to listen
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  to a Zoom, but and even ask a question on a Zoom, but it's a
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  different thing when you're sitting across the table from
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  somebody and, you know, looking into their eyes and and asking
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  them and having a personal conversation, you know?
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  Absolutely. I think trade shows of all ilk.
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  I think we could probably be in a position maybe to sponsor an
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  event where we would welcome clergy and people of science and
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  people of anthropology and have them all sit in in one room and,
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  and under we would choose the itinerary of the topics about
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  how to integrate these sciences with metaphysics and so forth.
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  So I see a great future and we're we're getting there.
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  I think we'll get there eventually.
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  What you know, I, I've been giving a lot of thought to two
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  things. One is the Seraphic planetary
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  government, which I've been reading and talking about,
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  thinking about. And I and I seem to see like,
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  yeah, for those who don't know, Paper 114, terrific read.
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  And it talks about what angels actually do and how they engage
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  with us and, and that they have, they have lives, they have jobs,
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  you know, they, they all, it's think of it in terms of a
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  parallel reality. It's occurring in the same time
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  that we're in, although their perspective different because
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  they're, you know, eternal beings.
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  But be that as it may, they're, they're integrated.
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  They have the 12 councils, different groups of angels and
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  seraphim that work on different aspects of human progress.
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  And I found it inspiring to know that we're not in this alone,
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  that there are forces as the Urantia book.
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  And it's one of the big reveals of the Urantia book, is that we
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  really do exist in an ecosystem of sorts.
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  We just don't know it. Right, right.
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  We, we, we, we think we're hanging out by ourselves, but
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  we're not. Yeah.
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  I mean, there are more important things going on.
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  What you said a little while ago about the transfer of moving
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  forward and making sure that we can serve what the Urantia book
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  has to say so that the next generation also finds it and it
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  doesn't get lost. And I think that's one of the
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  topics I think they're talking about in the symposium to
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  carrying that knowledge forward. I certainly take that as is the
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  the driving force behind these podcast.
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  I, I think touching people where they are and assuming that they
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  don't that know that much, just like the Melchizedek ministers,
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  you know, the, the, the, the ones that went out, what do they
• 23:49
  call those? The missionaries, You know, they
• 23:52
  took what Melchizedek taught them and then they went out and,
• 23:56
  and tried to teach it to the masses as best they could.
• 23:58
  And I, I, I kind of take that as this role.
• 24:02
  What drives you? I mean, does, does that not
• 24:05
  drive you? We're talking about a revelation
• 24:07
  here, right? It's pretty important.
• 24:09
  Right, You're, you're talking about a revelation.
• 24:12
  But you know, for me, you know, personally, you know, because
• 24:20
  religion, your, your spiritual belief in your religion is very,
• 24:24
  you know, very personal. But it's my relationships with
• 24:29
  other people and working in groups to, you know, learn or,
• 24:35
  or to, to learn enough that we, we and to, to push it, you know,
• 24:40
  push it down the road, you know, down to the next generation.
• 24:45
  It's this, this personal contact with these, you know, people.
• 24:49
  It's like the 10 people that are going to be giving these papers.
• 24:53
  OK, I, I know all these people. I've known them for, you know,
• 24:57
  some of them for quite a number of years and we've had some
• 25:02
  really deep, you know, deep conversations, but yet we, we
• 25:07
  all, you know, we share the revelation, but our, our in our
• 25:11
  lives, we work it personally, it's very personal, it's very
• 25:15
  individual. We know that we are absolutely
• 25:18
  unique in how we do that, you know, And so it, it's the, for
• 25:25
  me, it's this, this contact with my brothers and sisters.
• 25:30
  It's my, it's this thing about I, I have all of these
• 25:34
  wonderful, wonderful brothers and sisters out there.
• 25:39
  And the more of them I can meet and work with and talk with and,
• 25:45
  and do projects with and, and just experience this amazing
• 25:51
  life that we've been granted. That's what drives me.
• 25:55
  I mean, literally, I mean, talking to people like you, you
• 25:59
  know, and, and just I've been doing some podcasts with
• 26:04
  Santiago Nealon and we've been doing it.
• 26:08
  We've been talking about Star Wars, OK, because I love Star
• 26:11
  Wars. But anyway, and, and but it's,
• 26:15
  you know, the archetypes and stuff in Star Wars, young people
• 26:20
  can relate to that, that sort of stuff.
• 26:23
  And so and you can talk to them about Star Wars and you can also
• 26:26
  say, but you know, Luke made a choice to do this or, you know,
• 26:31
  somebody did this or they were looking for redemption.
• 26:35
  You know, you can talk about things like seeking forgiveness
• 26:38
  and seeking redemption or, you know, in, in terms that in very
• 26:45
  modern terms of because, you know, we live with our
• 26:48
  generation and the one after have lived a lot of our lives
• 26:51
  watching movies, you know, And so there are ways that you can
• 26:55
  point these sort of things out and young people, you know, kind
• 27:02
  of resonate with it. OK.
• 27:03
  And that's that's all you wanna do is just, you know, resonate
• 27:08
  with them so that they they continue to seek, continue to
• 27:12
  look for, you know, wholeness in themselves and their
• 27:17
  relationship with God. And and, you know, don't feel
• 27:21
  alone, you know, no, don't feel that we're alone out here.
• 27:25
  That that's yeah, I certainly. Maybe you know.
• 27:28
  Yeah, yeah, I, I don't, I certainly do not feel that.
• 27:31
  I mean, even though I'm here in my, my little house with, even
• 27:34
  though I have a fantastic garden and I have wonderful neighbors
• 27:37
  and I live in a great community. I, you know, I'm, I'm often in
• 27:41
  here working on different projects and stuff, but I will
• 27:44
  tell you, I never feel alone. I just do not feel alone.
• 27:49
  I just feel like I'm surrounded by all of all of these things
• 27:54
  that, that want things to, to be good for us, you know, and I
• 27:58
  just don't, I'm not, I'm not lonely.
• 28:01
  I don't, I'd have no, you know, I, there's just, God has given
• 28:06
  me too many blessings to feel lonely.
• 28:10
  So, so and I, I want to express that to other people that, you
• 28:15
  know, this, this. Yeah.
• 28:16
  That is it. That's it.
• 28:17
  You nailed it. Yeah, you, yeah, you can get to
• 28:21
  that place, you know, and so, but a lot of it is, is just
• 28:26
  engagement, you know, engagement with other people.
• 28:28
  So I appreciate the chance to talk to you, you know.
• 28:31
  You know, I wonder, like of all these people in there, all these
• 28:34
  wonderful people that are coming up, you're even you yourself.
• 28:38
  I've always made it a point that my closest friends, people that
• 28:41
  I've known for a long time, know that I read the book and and I
• 28:44
  don't go into too much of it, but I make it clear, you know,
• 28:48
  I'm out of I'm an out of the closet Urantia guy.
• 28:51
  You know, if somebody you know, but how many of us are are there
• 28:55
  that where where we boldly will bring it up or, you know, not
• 29:00
  have any issue. But surprisingly, this is the
• 29:03
  lesson that I don't, I, I haven't learned is that nobody
• 29:06
  asks questions. Very few people ever ask what
• 29:09
  does it say about this or what does it say about that or what
• 29:12
  is it? What's the Urantia viewpoint on
• 29:14
  that? Wouldn't that be great if that
• 29:16
  kind of dialogue? Because then that way it's, you
• 29:20
  know, it kind of goes back to when Lena Sadler and Bill Sadler
• 29:24
  were first introduced to the, the sleeping subject.
• 29:28
  And it was the thing that Lena said which sort of got the whole
• 29:31
  thing going, which was why don't we ask it a question?
• 29:34
  You know, why don't we ask the sleeping subject a question
• 29:38
  about something we want to know? And it was, that's the, you
• 29:42
  know, the proverbial, you know, you can what?
• 29:46
  You know, what was the expression about the key?
• 29:48
  The door is open. All you have to do is walk in.
• 29:51
  So and. I think that's, well, yeah, I I
• 29:54
  agree with you on that. But I think a lot of times when
• 29:57
  people don't ask you the, the, you know, a question when you've
• 30:03
  been quite obvious. I mean, it's like a lot of
• 30:07
  people will, you know, is what's come up with me is when somebody
• 30:10
  says, but you're Christian and I go, no, I'm not, you know, and
• 30:17
  they go, well, well, yeah. And they go, well, what are you?
• 30:20
  And I said, I'm Jesus Sonian. And they say, well, can you
• 30:23
  explain the difference? Yeah, well, can you explain the
• 30:25
  difference in the 2. And so then we, we get into a
• 30:29
  conversation, you know, about, about that and why I have come
• 30:34
  to the, you know, to believe that.
• 30:36
  And, and a lot of times the conversation doesn't go any, you
• 30:40
  know, a whole lot further than that.
• 30:41
  But then there are times when it, you know, well, how did you,
• 30:45
  you get there? And I said, well, you know, and
• 30:46
  then I start talking about, you know, finding the Urantia book
• 30:50
  and how it had changed my life and things like that.
• 30:53
  Then a lot of times, you know, not a lot of times, sometimes
• 30:56
  you'll get, you know, further questions.
• 30:59
  If after that they don't ask you a question, I've kind of come to
• 31:04
  the, you know, opinion that they're just not ready.
• 31:08
  You know, they're, they're, they're, they're just not ready.
• 31:11
  Otherwise, I think they're they don't know.
• 31:14
  What's inside the box? That's the thing they do.
• 31:16
  They really no one can possibly know everything that it of.
• 31:21
  What makes it such a of revelatory profoundness?
• 31:25
  Really, when you get into the deepness and the nooks and
• 31:29
  crannies of the book, you start to realize how profound it is
• 31:32
  that we're being given this information.
• 31:34
  And I've had conversations with people about that.
• 31:37
  It's like there's two miracles going on #1 is the fact of what
• 31:41
  it's saying and then and then sort of getting this new
• 31:44
  conceptual understanding of the universe.
• 31:47
  And then two, the fact that they're saying it, that the
• 31:49
  information has been communicated to us in such a way
• 31:53
  where we now have the IT is this conversation I had whether you
• 31:57
  ranch book reader not long ago. And and we were talking about, I
• 32:01
  think it was Gabriel actual and you know, he he had made the the
• 32:04
  the point that this had to this message was approved.
• 32:09
  There it it. There was a lot of work that
• 32:11
  went into making this book possible and that in itself.
• 32:15
  Is well, they, they had to, yeah, they had to get, yeah,
• 32:17
  they had to get permission, You know, I mean, it was not like
• 32:20
  they just said, oh, let's do this, you know, that's not how
• 32:23
  it happened. And ultimately Michael had to
• 32:25
  sign off on it. So this in a way, is he and, and
• 32:28
  when that conversation is kind of interesting because, you
• 32:32
  know, they say, well, what are we telling them too much?
• 32:34
  Do we give too much of it away? I mean, this is kind of
• 32:37
  everything, isn't it? And and, and Jesus would have
• 32:40
  had to say, you know what? I think they're ready for it.
• 32:42
  I think that they might be ready for it.
• 32:44
  And we've got to trust these people.
• 32:46
  I mean, it's such a significant thing that Jesus created this
• 32:50
  Advisory Board after his resurrection of the four and 20
• 32:54
  elders. And the same Advisory Board also
• 32:57
  offers their expertise of the 36 other rebellion seared worlds.
• 33:03
  So he thought very highly of this race.
• 33:07
  I think in those travels through the Mediterranean and getting to
• 33:10
  know people, I think he looked at us and said, man, these
• 33:13
  people have so much potential. I see great things for these
• 33:17
  people. I'm so glad that I came here and
• 33:19
  I and I, you know, that that is such an exciting thing to think
• 33:24
  about. And that's why we're where we're
• 33:25
  at today. I think why we're going through
• 33:27
  so many challenges. I think he's got a lot of
• 33:31
  confidence that we're going to be just OK, we're going to be
• 33:34
  all right, right. That we'll, we'll find our way,
• 33:37
  you know, we'll find our way through and even, you know, in
• 33:39
  the when, when you get maybe really down on the, the current
• 33:44
  situation where wherever you are, whatever country you live
• 33:47
  in that and they're, they all seem to be facing some challenge
• 33:50
  this day. You know, ultimately I, I
• 33:55
  believe, you know, goodwill always went out, you know, in,
• 34:00
  in the end. Now it may be, it'll be 1000
• 34:03
  years, but it, it will, you know, we will move toward light
• 34:07
  and life. And I, and this is the thing
• 34:12
  where I where I think it's so important that you, that for me
• 34:16
  that it's, it's very personal because you know, in that part
• 34:20
  where it says that, that, you know, Jesus loved men, you know,
• 34:25
  I mean, and he loved them because he, he got to know them,
• 34:30
  you know, he got to experience them.
• 34:33
  He and, and it may have been just in passing by, but he, he,
• 34:38
  he was, you know, he didn't ignore what was going by him,
• 34:42
  you know, and, and so it's incumbent for us to, to do the
• 34:47
  same thing. And that's the reason these, you
• 34:50
  know, personal contacts, whether it is the, the person you know,
• 34:54
  that stops me at the in the Walmart parking lot and looks at
• 34:57
  my bumper sticker, which is about the discoverjesus.com app
• 35:03
  from the, the, the Center for Unity.
• 35:06
  I've got that on the back of my car.
• 35:08
  I can't tell you how many people have stopped me in the parking
• 35:10
  lot. This one guy, he goes, I'll
• 35:12
  follow him. And I said, so do I, you know,
• 35:15
  and, and, and I had said you ought to go look at the, at the
• 35:18
  website. And he said, OK, he took a
• 35:20
  picture of it with his phone and he said I'll do that.
• 35:23
  And I said good. I think it's got really pretty
• 35:25
  art and I think you'll find it really interesting, you know,
• 35:28
  and I mean that's, that's happened to me like 5 times in
• 35:31
  the Walmart parking lot. I mean it's.
• 35:33
  Just. But, you know, it was that
• 35:36
  that's what it takes. But it's just that personal, you
• 35:39
  know, contact with another, another one of our siblings.
• 35:43
  That is where for me, that's where it's, you know, where it's
• 35:47
  at, so. Well, Marjorie, I, I, I always
• 35:52
  enjoy talking with you about stuff.
• 35:53
  And the symposium, it's coming up in November and it's going to
• 35:58
  feature a bunch of guests. It's over a kind of a long
• 36:01
  period of time. So this is going to be one of
• 36:04
  the longer, I guess sign. How long is it?
• 36:07
  It's like 3 days or. Something well it no, it last
• 36:10
  it's on we had we compressed it to Thursday and Friday.
• 36:14
  They're they're five talks on Thursday and they're five talks
• 36:16
  on Friday. They'll they'll yeah, there will
• 36:20
  be Joanne will be sending out. If you're on the the mailing
• 36:25
  list for the foundation, you will get a notice.
• 36:29
  But if not, just go to foundation or you can go to, you
• 36:33
  know, and and ask to, to, to be in it.
• 36:36
  It's on the foundation website. Yeah, erasure dot.
• 36:39
  Org is the right, Yeah. And then just go to the events
• 36:42
  page and you'll find it pretty easily, yeah.
• 36:45
  Yeah, yeah. And you just say you want to be
• 36:49
  part of it and you'll get the invitation a day or so ahead of
• 36:53
  time so that you'll have the link and be able to come in and
• 36:58
  you can come in. I mean, it's a, it's, it's long.
• 37:01
  I we not understand that. And there but you, you will have
• 37:04
  the order and what it and some of them may be more interesting
• 37:08
  to you than others. Just come in and watch the ones
• 37:10
  that you want. Also, if you can't on those
• 37:13
  days, interact within about a week to 10 days after the
• 37:17
  symposium. They will all be put up under
• 37:21
  the events page on on the foundation and on their YouTube.
• 37:25
  So you will be able to access them and hear them too.
• 37:29
  And you can actually read the papers that each one of the
• 37:32
  presenters has written. A lot of times you want to look
• 37:36
  at their paper because you, you see all the references and
• 37:40
  things that they actually, you know, because they've, they've
• 37:43
  written a paper that gives you references where they pull
• 37:45
  things. That's great.
• 37:46
  And, and read things. And so you, you really should,
• 37:50
  you know, if, if you get real interested in the topic, look
• 37:53
  there, that may send you to some place that you find really,
• 37:56
  really, you know, interesting. So, and, and they usually have a
• 38:00
  lot of quotes and references to the, you know, areas in the book
• 38:03
  too. So that's that's real helpful at
• 38:06
  times. OK.
• 38:07
  And then again the date is November 6th and 7th. 7th,
• 38:10
  right? That's a Thursday and a Friday.
• 38:13
  OK, terrific. And thank you so much.
• 38:17
  You must be very busy and excited and all that.
• 38:20
  I really, I couldn't be in a better place and I'm glad you're
• 38:24
  there. And we didn't really talk much
• 38:26
  about your background, but I think in the previous podcast
• 38:29
  you and I talked about some of. The more scientific.
• 38:32
  Aspects So go back in time and look up some of the old
• 38:36
  interviews with Marjorie. She's crazy.
• 38:38
  So anyway, but thank you so much, Jim.
• 38:41
  And I do hope, you know, your listeners will consider spending
• 38:44
  at least a little time with the symposium.
• 38:47
  And we have amazing presenters. And then they spend a lot of
• 38:51
  time and energy, you know, making these presentations and
• 38:55
  talks. And, you know, they're very
• 38:58
  committed to what they're doing, and I'm very grateful to them
• 39:02
  for doing it. So just enjoy the fruits of
• 39:05
  their labor. And we sure appreciate being
• 39:12
  able to catch up with Marjorie. And again, I hope that you can
• 39:15
  participate. If you want to find out more,
• 39:18
  just go to the Urantia, yeah, the foundation and look for
• 39:21
  events, 2 day event, a lot of great speakers, many of whom
• 39:24
  George Parks, Gabriel Reinberg, others, Nigel Nunn, others,
• 39:30
  perhaps many of you've met or had an opportunity to speak with
• 39:33
  over these wonderful years. All right.
• 39:36
  And again, if you've got a question or comment about the
• 39:38
  Urantia Radio Podcast or about the Urantia book, best way to do
• 39:42
  so, go to yourrancherradio.org and you can reach me there
• 39:45
  through the contact page or you can simply e-mail and the e-mail
• 39:50
  address urantiabookradio@gmail.com.
• 39:52
  Until next time, God bless and thank you for being a part of
• 39:55
  this episode of the Urantia Radio Podcast.
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  The. None.