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Joe Rogan Experience _2379 - Matthew McConaughey · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Podcast. Check it out The Joe Experience Train My Day.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan podcast, by Day all day.
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  Speaker 3: You see you you're a man of many talents. My
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  Speaker 3: friend tell me about.
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  Speaker 4: This book Poems and Prayers. Yeah, so I've been kind
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  Speaker 4: of writing.
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  Speaker 3: Try to keep this like these are a little bit directions.
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  Speaker 4: I've been kind of I've been writing poems and Prayers
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  Speaker 4: down for since I was like eighteen, and then this
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  Speaker 4: last I don't know a couple of years. I started
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  Speaker 4: looking around at life and the facts and evidence in people,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, not finding the amount of things
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  Speaker 4: are people to believe in that I was wanting to.
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  Speaker 4: And I was starting to have doubts to myself as well,
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  Speaker 4: and I started to see myself slippingt a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of cynicism, which I promised myself that's no, that's a
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  Speaker 4: that's a living man's disease. Don't go there. You go
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  Speaker 4: from innocence to naivete to skepticism. But let's stop there
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  Speaker 4: at skepticism. Yeah, And I kind of got scared and
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  Speaker 4: a little piste off at myself, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: wait a minute, I'm not ready to give up. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not ready to wave the wave the white flag and
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  Speaker 4: let myself off for certain things. I was starting to
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  Speaker 4: even want to let myself off on you know, or
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  Speaker 4: other people. And I said, all right, poems and prayers,
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  Speaker 4: those are ideals, those are pursuits.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: That's going to the dream and saying let's go to
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  Speaker 4: let's let's let's look at the dream and see if
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  Speaker 4: we can still believe in making that a reality. Instead
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  Speaker 4: of looking at reality and saying how do you turn
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  Speaker 4: that into dream? Which is what I usually do. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: art emulates life, man, not the other way around. But
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  Speaker 4: I flipped the script a little bit here and said, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: let's let's dive into the dreams and belief. Man said,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's in short supply. It was giddy. It
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  Speaker 4: was my tank was getting low on belief, not.
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  Speaker 3: Just what was bothering you so much?
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  Speaker 4: Well specifically, maybe it's man, Maybe it's turning fifty something
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  Speaker 4: like that. Maybe it's that where I start to project,
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  Speaker 4: you know what am I what's the next half?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe subconsciously it was I think, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I look around and there's a lot fewer leaders that
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, son, I want to grow up like that, right?
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  Speaker 4: I look around. I see people not trusting. I see people,
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  Speaker 4: I see people that aren't embarrassed for doing something shitty, right.
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  Speaker 4: I see people that sleep just fine.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I found myself starting to go, oh, I can sleep
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  Speaker 4: fine too. That's that part where I was like, huh uh,
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  Speaker 4: you can't don't You don't don't sleep fine if you
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  Speaker 4: half ass that situation or if you did that person
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  Speaker 4: wrong and can get away with it, right, and so
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  Speaker 4: so trust what where do we look to for belief?
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  Speaker 3: Me?
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  Speaker 4: I believe in God, but it doesn't have to be that.
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  Speaker 4: What's your your better self, you're trance in itself, your kids,
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  Speaker 4: their future.
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  Speaker 3: There's all kind of humanity itself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, believing in it our potential.
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  Speaker 3: Which we understand that humans can be so amazing at times.
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  Speaker 3: And all my favorite people are humans, like all the
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  Speaker 3: I love people, I love being around them. But yet
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  Speaker 3: simultaneously people can be fucking horrific. They're terrible at the
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  Speaker 3: same time. Like the problem today is that you're inundated
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  Speaker 3: by these people that are terrible, your your your phone
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  Speaker 3: is filled with these news feeds of people doing terrible things.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think we're supposed to have access to
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  Speaker 3: eight billion people's bad stories. I don't think that's normal,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that also changes your own perception of
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  Speaker 3: the world and invites cynicism and advice, like, like, what
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  Speaker 3: is the point of being a good person? Was the
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  Speaker 3: point of being friendly and nice when the world's.
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  Speaker 4: Going as consequences?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, none of it. I can shortcut it and right
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  Speaker 4: light heat and steel to get the same thing. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm in a world that rewards at especially CEOs.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're working for some giant corporation, if
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  Speaker 3: you're trying to make your shareholders billions of dollars, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you kind of have to be a psycho. And those
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  Speaker 3: are the people that a lot of people look up to. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's real. It's the way we're structured in this world
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  Speaker 3: with that inundation of information, most of it bad, with
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  Speaker 3: people being rewarded for being shitty people with like it's hard.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to still be positive and be happy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not ready to give up on believing that both
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  Speaker 4: can be true. Yeah that hey, man, hardcore capitalists go
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  Speaker 4: for it more and more and more success get it.
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  Speaker 4: But you can also how do you have profit with
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  Speaker 4: your success? I see a lot of people that are successful, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: lack profit meaning value of their success, right, nappy billionaires,
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  Speaker 4: I know them.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I know them too. That's a bad thing, right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: that's the thing that you think, Oh, if you you
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  Speaker 3: hit that stage of the game, there's no way you
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  Speaker 3: can be unhappy. You know. There's some of the most
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  Speaker 3: unhappy people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that math, that math is inverted. Shouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: that way. If that's what we're pursuing. And I got
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  Speaker 4: nothing against it, I'm actually for it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, if that's what we're pursuing, that that's not
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  Speaker 3: how it's supposed to end. It's supposed to that's the
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  Speaker 3: happiest guy alive, you know. Yeah, it's not real, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't notice it. It's just numbers, you know.
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  Speaker 3: You notice it by how big your house is. Great,
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  Speaker 3: still just your house.
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  Speaker 4: You notice it, but you're getting lost in that semi
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  Speaker 4: bitch and you wish the ceilings were a little bit
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  Speaker 4: lower because it's it's all two damn big.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not cozy at all. Like those ain't cozy.
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  Speaker 3: This weird fucking castle. I've done it. I've done it.
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  Speaker 4: That picture ship, that's the first time I've noticed that
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  Speaker 4: painting in two years. Yeah, either I don't like it
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  Speaker 4: or I got it in the wrong place. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: in the fourth bedroom, down the second hallway and I'm
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  Speaker 4: never down here. Or that chair that used to be
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  Speaker 4: my favorite chair, I hadn't sat in it, yeah in
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  Speaker 4: two years. Yeah, because you got it off down in
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  Speaker 4: the fifth bedroom. Yeah, or no you never go.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I see like movies where dude's living in a
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  Speaker 3: log cabin.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I only do that, right, the lack of options. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the lack of options is relaxing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's something to that, like a frying pan, grilled dude.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I love about living in the airstream for
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  Speaker 4: four years. Right, you only have room for one of everything,
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  Speaker 4: so I would get my best, the best pan, the best,
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  Speaker 4: the best, the best parish was the best sheets. And
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  Speaker 4: then you can only have one of each because you
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  Speaker 4: get two, it's cluttered. They weren't options.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot you did that. You did that for four years.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's so smart though, it's such a good
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  Speaker 3: I watched these videos on people that live in like
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  Speaker 3: uh trailers, like like a truck, you know, like a
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  Speaker 3: camper they convert to living in and they travel around
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  Speaker 3: the country. I'm obsessed with these videos. I watch these
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  Speaker 3: guys go to like these horrendous places. This got One
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  Speaker 3: guy's a truck camper and he goes up into like
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  Speaker 3: way into Alaska, like way way way above the Arctic Circle,
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  Speaker 3: like way up there, in this fucking truck with a
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  Speaker 3: house on the back of it. He's in Canada and
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  Speaker 3: like deep into Alberta. It's snowstorms, and it's there's something
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  Speaker 3: oddly comforting about watching a man cook in this tiny
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  Speaker 3: little space that he has. It's essentially attached to the
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  Speaker 3: back of a big diesel pickup truck. Yeah, and he
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  Speaker 3: lives in it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well he's got decreased amount of options.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like those shelves, This is where I keep
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  Speaker 3: my silverware. This is why. Here's my frying face. He
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  Speaker 3: got one frying.
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  Speaker 4: Pan, take care of thee.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm watching this guy cook his supper, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: like this is appealing to me for some reason, Like
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  Speaker 3: why is it so appealing? Because his world is all
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  Speaker 3: contained that look, and the whole world outside is frozen
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  Speaker 3: wasteland and fucking stow coming sideways and this dude's just
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  Speaker 3: chilling making eggs and there's something in honey. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: something cool about watching someone achieve like a like a
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  Speaker 3: den in the back of a truck and it's in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the winter and he's comfortable, he's watching
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  Speaker 3: movies on his iPad. Is great.
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  Speaker 4: Iven the times I've gone off on my own, I've
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  Speaker 4: always tripped my my goals or even okay, stay here
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  Speaker 4: until you fee whether it's Molly or Peru, or even
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  Speaker 4: in the airstream those times, or going out to Marfort
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  Speaker 4: to go right on my own all stay here long
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  Speaker 4: enough to believe this could be your existence, Inconda, you
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  Speaker 4: could live here forever. Then it's okay to come back home.
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  Speaker 4: If I get to that point, I'm going I could
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  Speaker 4: do this to be me, then I've given it the
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  Speaker 4: justice right to then go come home, because I sure
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  Speaker 4: do silk sheets. I'm a bed at home. Sure do
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  Speaker 4: feel silkier after those times in that log cabin. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I like coming back and re engaging. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, spending time over in Hawaii, coming back over
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  Speaker 4: to the mainland. It was great to get the stimulus again.
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  Speaker 4: Ah in the game, you feel teeth. I wanted that,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if resats are real, they're important. You can get
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  Speaker 3: trapped in momentum. You know, you could really get trapped
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  Speaker 3: in the momentum of whatever you're doing in your life
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  Speaker 3: to the point where you lose yourself in just the
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  Speaker 3: sheer gravity of everything that you're doing, and you forget
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  Speaker 3: how to like just yeah, be just a person.
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  Speaker 4: And what happens when you're doing it well but you
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  Speaker 4: don't feel it right and you're on autopilot and you're
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  Speaker 4: not gonna everyone's telling you're not gonna out of the park,
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  Speaker 4: but you're going the good because I didn't I didn't
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  Speaker 4: feel it. I'm not having any really experience here. Man,
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  Speaker 4: don't change a thing, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's a real problem with stand up comedy.
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  Speaker 3: When you do it right, you're like a passenger, Like
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  Speaker 3: it takes forever to put together an act, but when
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  Speaker 3: when it comes together, when you're really like locked in,
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  Speaker 3: when you're really on it, it's like you're like a passenger.
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  Speaker 3: You're watching it happen, and you're.
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  Speaker 4: You're objectly while you're it's like.
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  Speaker 3: You know how to do it, so you know what
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  Speaker 3: to do, and you're locked into the material, so you're
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  Speaker 3: like a part of the material. But you're not there anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You're like a passenger. You're not saying now I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: pick this up, and now I'm gonna give them a
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  Speaker 3: pause and now Nope, you're not there.
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  Speaker 4: Who watching yourself?
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  Speaker 3: No, you don't enjoy it. I mean it's fun, don't
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  Speaker 3: get me wrong, but you're not thinking about the fact
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  Speaker 3: that you're enjoying it at all. You're just locked in.
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  Speaker 3: All you're doing is just doing it. But it's weird.
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  Speaker 3: You're like a passenger, and I think there's something and
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  Speaker 3: there's something about that where we get trapped by not
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  Speaker 3: being a passenger. You get trapped by wanting to like
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  Speaker 3: think of yourself all the time and like things that
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  Speaker 3: you can do that take you out of that, things
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  Speaker 3: that you can do that why you just locked into
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  Speaker 3: this thing? There are little like many vacations for whatever
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  Speaker 3: pattern you're stuck in.
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  Speaker 4: Many vacations.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like anything.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't act in front of the camera for a
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  Speaker 4: few years and I went back and did a couple
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  Speaker 4: of films last year.
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  Speaker 3: Vacation. Yeah, you were telling me that focus to go.
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  Speaker 4: I revered this enough to just do this, And if
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  Speaker 4: I'm complacent, that means I'm being lazy. I can just
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  Speaker 4: go back to working on my character, look at it
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  Speaker 4: from every angle, and that is an absolute vacation.
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  Speaker 3: You sent me a text about that. It made me
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  Speaker 3: smile because I'd love when someone loves something. I love that.
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  Speaker 3: I love when people are just like, what you do
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  Speaker 3: is what you're supposed to be doing, and you know
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  Speaker 3: you're not conflicted at all, like fuck.
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  Speaker 1: It, yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 3: I love that, and I wish more people could find
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  Speaker 3: that in life in some form, whether it's painting or
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  Speaker 3: making pottery or whatever the fuck it is. Man, find
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  Speaker 3: that thing where you're like, God, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 3: get back to whatever it is making cars, I can't
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  Speaker 3: wait to get back to you know, whatever the fuck
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  Speaker 3: it is I enjoy.
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  Speaker 4: Or maybe even get to the place going. I can't
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  Speaker 4: not not do it right, you know, Yeah, I can't
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  Speaker 4: help myself. It's more than my fault.
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  Speaker 3: I made to be.
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  Speaker 4: That's and that doesn't always happen, even I know for me,
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  Speaker 4: when I'm when I'm feeling like I'm actually in the
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  Speaker 4: in the zone, I still sometimes have to make a
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  Speaker 4: choice and go, wait, no, you're good at this. It
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  Speaker 4: feels pretty good, But what I really they have to
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  Speaker 4: get to. If I'm doing something, I'm like, no, I
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  Speaker 4: can't not right, you can't not do this right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm in it. I'm the subject of it,
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  Speaker 4: locked up all my passenger thing though, are you the subject?
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  Speaker 4: Meaning if I'm giving a performance, I'm not. There's nothing.
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  Speaker 4: It's not an objective experience at all. I'm not even
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  Speaker 4: hopping out to look at myself from a third eye.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even supposing or anticipating, Oh how will this go?
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  Speaker 4: Or oh this is that punchline or ooh this is
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  Speaker 4: a great beat to hit. I'm just in it and
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  Speaker 4: then I can feel it though now we go oh
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  Speaker 4: right afterwards, I can look at you and go that
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  Speaker 4: was it? You go that was it? Or I can
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  Speaker 4: go yeah and I bullshit it right there in the middle,
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  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. I can feel it when it's happening,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm not. There's nothing objective about the experience right
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  Speaker 4: at all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's exactly kind of what I'm saying. It's
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  Speaker 3: like you're a passenger, Like you can feel it when
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  Speaker 3: it's happening, you're managing it. When I get it really
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  Speaker 3: locked in, then I'm just a passenger.
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  Speaker 4: Is it coming through? Are you you're not even coming
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  Speaker 4: up with it's coming.
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  Speaker 3: No, It's all stuff that I've already thought of, right,
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  Speaker 3: most of it, except for some stuff that happens on
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  Speaker 3: the spot, which you got to allow room for because
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  Speaker 3: occasionally you just have the best line ever that just
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  Speaker 3: comes out of nowhere and you just got to be
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  Speaker 3: able to let it happen. That's what club work is for.
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  Speaker 3: But it's you're you're really just the ideas. Like whatever
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  Speaker 3: it is you're talking about, whatever it is you're upset about,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it is you're making fun of, You're you have
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  Speaker 3: to be like in that idea and you don't exist anymore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's weird. It's weird, But like what you're saying about,
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  Speaker 3: I can't not do this, you know. That's if you
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  Speaker 3: can find a thing in your life where you're like,
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  Speaker 3: I cannot imagine a time where I can't do this, right,
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  Speaker 3: this would fucking suck if I could not do this.
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  Speaker 3: H That's that's that's the aspiration for people to have
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  Speaker 3: a joyful existence.
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  Speaker 4: You think, that's where I got a hunch that in
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  Speaker 4: there is where you where we find belief, Like starting
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  Speaker 4: with that quession, Who, who or what would you die for?
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  Speaker 4: Good place to start?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: For going? What do I believe in? What doll I
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  Speaker 4: have faith in?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that that extends out to a vocation
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  Speaker 4: a career?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Some work we do, I've seen it. I'd die for
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  Speaker 4: the experience to perform.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the ultimate sacrifice. That's the ultimate expression of
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  Speaker 3: how much you love something you die for it or
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  Speaker 3: die for them. Yeah, so much.
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  Speaker 4: And if you figure out what you're going to do,
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  Speaker 4: what you'll die for, that's what you'll live for that
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  Speaker 4: much more right while you're alive, while you're here, Well.
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  Speaker 3: That was all the spartans that sucks with each other
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  Speaker 3: so that they would love each other, and so you
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  Speaker 3: would be fighting not just for you, you'd be fighting
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  Speaker 3: for your lover. Okay, is crazy strategy? Yeah, you talk
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of guys that are banging each other.
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  Speaker 4: Go whatever, raise your skirt, man, just get let's get
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  Speaker 4: some spirit here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you remember this kind of a crazy but
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  Speaker 3: true story a few years ago? God, I want to.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what administration was. It might have been
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  Speaker 3: the Bush administration, might have been Obama. They try to
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  Speaker 3: develop a gay bomb like they spent millions of dollars
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  Speaker 3: developing a bomb. And the concept behind this bomb was
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  Speaker 3: you would detonated over a city and it would be
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  Speaker 3: like a bunch of probably pheromones and hormones and some
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  Speaker 3: kind of drug, and it would make people so horny
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  Speaker 3: that they would just have to have sex with whoever
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  Speaker 3: is near them. And then the idea was they would
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  Speaker 3: be humiliated by this, and then we would just come
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  Speaker 3: in and just fuck up all these gay morale all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden. If a man becomes gay, now he's
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  Speaker 3: no longer like a highly trained military like soldier in
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: another land. Now he's just a fruitcake, just some guys
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: watching musicals.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: No, it's it's the dumb one so much.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Some of the exactly some of the greatest warriors of
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: all time and recorded history were gay, including pirates. Pirates
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: were gay. You're stuck at sea for five months and
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: a bunch of dudes, you make choices, right, Samurai did
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of gay stuff. Spartans, the greatest warriors of
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: all time all gay. Like, what a terrible idea to
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: spend money on. You could me a more lethal army.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Imagine if they dropped that gay bomb and then the
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: gays just kicked our asses. They just had so much
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: more to fight for. They loved each other. And this
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: is how dumb like the people that were spending your
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: tax dollars are. How far they get seven million dollars?
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: See if you can pull that up, Jamie. When when
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: when the gay bomb was.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: In the nineties, Pentagon didn't deny the proposal.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: The Pentagon didn't.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: If you just make this, am, I guarantee you fucking
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: deny it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you'd be like no, no, no. Well, meanwhile, like,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: who's to say that shit even stays local? What if
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: it catches a good breeze and blows across the ocean
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: and you know, come on, turns all of Portland. Kay,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: they become the new Viking Army.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Look out Greenland.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's so hilarious that someone
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: had that idea. But that's what happens when people just
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: have free access without any sort of oversight to your
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: tax dollars. Like, it's such a ridiculous idea.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I got one for you. Yeah, the gay bomb? What
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the gay bomb?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few people in that room.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: What they're going like.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: The Pentagon, you know, Yeah, I got an idea. Let's
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: try it on us right here in this.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: Room, just to just to show you the effectiveness of
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: this type of strategy. Yeah, so what what was it
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: and what was in it?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I think it was just a proposal for the I
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: isn't there a Wikipedia page on.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: That's what I was looking at. It didn't have anything
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: other than it was just the discussion of what.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Was going to make everyone so horny that they had
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: to attack and crazy the nearest human or animal or whatever.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Also, why is there only guys around you? Like? Is
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: that is it because they're the soldiers are dropping on
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the soldiers. Yeah, the demographic, But I think the idea
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: was dropping it on a whole city. Turn the whole city.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Found they were doing like a foyery quest. They found
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: it was on a CD ROM that they found in
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: two thousand and Yeah, the documents, so they spent seven
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: point five million dollar was requested to develop the weapon.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Doesn't say that they spent it denied, proposals made.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: That's all I got. That's hilarious. Yeah. This episode is
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• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Just like we were talking about TeamWorks.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Whatever those people are doing, they're not in the group.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Like if you're sitting around and this is your life's
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: work and you're thinking, you know what the next step is?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Gay bomb?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, yeah, you're they're still looking. You know, they
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: definitely are not that. I can't not do it stage there,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: They're going, what about this? I'm bored. I've got more
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: than a campfire to make to on this one, frying pandonight.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of options out there and a
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: lot of money, and I can make an argument for this.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gay bomb. Well, probably better than a real bomb.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, anything we can do to stop dropping real bombs,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: that would be great.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: It would be nice, wouldn't Yeah, Yeah, that would be.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It'd be nice. With our lifetime. That's one of the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: most depressing things. It's like you you ask people, do
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: you think ever in your lifetime to be a time
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: where there's no war? Nobody says yes. So how do
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: we do that? Though?
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I mean how to? I mean, I hear you, man,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: but how are we giving ourselves too much credit?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Congratulations? You're the first guy to put bare feet on
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: this desk. Oh yeah, congrat Yeah? Out? How do we
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: do it?
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, how do do? What I'm saying is I
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: love the prospect and the idea, But I also think
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: that we're guilty of thinking we're more more involved species
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: than we are.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Sure, especially by our actions. If you just judge us
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: by our actions. So it's the only way you could
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: really judge our mental evolution. You know, who knows what
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: the wiring is under the board that makes us behave
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the way we behave, But pretty uniformly, you know, across
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: the world, pretty murderous, you know.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And now and always have been, always have been keep
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: trying to talk like we were more, well, we aspire,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: we're involved and intellectually, I think it's the same.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Ship that takes a long time to turn around. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: think we're way more evolved culturally than any culture throughout history,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: any civilization throughout history. Like if you look at the rape, murder, thievery,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: like you look at like violent, terrifying crimes, over time,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: they're all going way down. It's not if you're in Baltimore,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: doesn't seem like it. If you're in a place it's
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: like crime ridden, it doesn't seem like it. But the
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: overall of the world has dropped and continues to drop.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: It's just a constant battle.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: So the battles the warfare is different though now, like
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: you're talking about from gay bombs, it's to chemical warfare
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: to informational warfare to data warfare.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Is that where the wars are being fought now and
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: it's not hand to hand.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Well maybe that'll ultimately be where it leads to. But
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I think all that stuff has related because all of
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: it is about technology, you know, And that's the difference
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: in the world of warfare today. It's it's just it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: really just about controlling people. And you could kind of
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: control people with technology, especially the more you get them
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: to adapt things, the more you get people to sign
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: up for like social credit scores. A lot of countries
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: like to do that. And then we got AI on
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: the way. And when real AI hits, it'll probably be
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: our governor, it'll be our president. It will decide that
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: human beings are too dangerous and volatile and emotional. And
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you know, they use Trump's tweets as an example, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you know they'll they'll decide that, you know, the Biden
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: family corruption or whatever scandal any other president was involved in.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: All this could be avoided if we just have AI
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: run everything right And what's sharing out?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: What do you do you think there's a way that
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: we can keep evolving AI where we as humans do
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: work with AI. The AI improves the human existence.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: That would be the ultimate benefit.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what about what about the what about the camp
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: that is no forget humanity? This is the next step
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: in evolution. Yeah, we're creating this to be become the
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: superior existent species and we will be obsolete and that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the order of things to come.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: He ever sees that interview where Peter Thiel. They ask
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: him should the human race survive? And he has like
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: this long pause. It's like, it's a really funny pause
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: because if you know Peter, he's a brilliant man. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Peter carefully considers everything before he answers it. Okay, his
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: same as Elon. If you ask Elon a question and
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: he really has to think about it, he'll really think
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: about it. He's not just gonna start talking. But unfortunately
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: the reporter it was just a perfect kind of a
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: question for you to pause on where he's like, the
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: answer is yes, like you want it to write, you
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: want the human race to survive? Right, Let me just
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: play it for him, because it's kind of crazy. You
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: watch it and you're just like, what are you saying?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: But I get what he is saying, and what he
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: is saying is clearly something is going to happen. We
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: don't exactly know what it is, but clearly there's gonna
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: be some kind of an integration with us and technology
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: that we don't understand yet. The same way, if you've
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: grabbed me in nineteen eighty and tried to explain the Internet,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I would never get it right. Put your headphones off
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: for a second, you gotta hear this.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Prefer the human race to endure, right, you're hesitating, Well,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I yes, I don't know.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I would, I would. This is a long imitation. It's
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: so long hesitation. There's so many questions and plut Okay,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the problem is the interviewer. Really, you can't with a
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: guy like that. You can't have a guy like that
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: and badgroom. Let him think like it's a gotcha moment.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Ye yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: But this is what I think is going to happen.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: There's going to be integration, and that integration is going
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to have a huge advantage competitively. If you integrate whatever
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: business you're in, you'll be able to be better at it,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: and it'll probably be some sort of a neural thing,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: maybe a wearable thing. Then it ultimately will be like
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: some sort of an implant and we're all going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: be connected. And it seems like it's either that or
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: AI creates a new order, like a new life form
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: that's far superior to us that runs things. Because that's right,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: that's AI. In just a couple of years, it's going
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: to be smarter than any human I'm see.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: The second scenario is where what I'm un necessarily fearing.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: But where I see it be going faster or quicker.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, the first scenario is what you're talking like. The
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: neural scenario is how we survive with it? Right, we
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: survive with it by integrating. Right. If we don't, then
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: we're going to be like the people on North Centinel
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Island with bows and arrows shooting them at helicopters. Because
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: it's just gonna be everyone's going to pass us by.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: It's going to be. It's just like if you try
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: to exist today with no cell phone or no email,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: like you can do it, but no one does because
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: it's just too crazy. And that probably what it's going
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: to be, like.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: You think, AI, This is when it's when it first
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: was coming on questions and I would always ask people
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: what can I do?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: What can I do?
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: And you know there's the question of sentience and all
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: that stuff, and that's already been argued. Now, well, no,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: it's getting emotional. People are having relationships.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: With it, and it's also toying with people.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Right, do you think it could be a taste maker?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Meaning?
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: And in a way the argument was that I understood, No,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't believe it could be a tastemaker. Look, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: can tell you the most popular, but the most popular
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: band on Sixth Street, but it doesn't know that one
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: down on Second Street that's playing at midnight that no
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: one knows about that that those talented people at the
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: same time, you know, that's there's an argument against that
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: that I'm seeing with like what's.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: The term where?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: What words does it use?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: What?
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: How much heat? If it uses the most popular words
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: to explain AI uses the most popular words, say no, no, no, no,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: go go go down three notches and use the you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: play me the best B sides. That's more of a
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: human language. And I'm going, oh, that's starting to become
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: a taste maker. If you can ask it to yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: but find the band. Tell me what the best band
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: is out there that Joe Rogan would like on a
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Friday night when he doesn't have to work till Monday
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: and he's out with his wife.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: On the day.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: That you can customize it can actually be a taste maker,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: and it'll to use different language than oh, here's the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: across the board protocol of what's the most popular and
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I'm using the most popular language. That it actually can
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: be customized to be a taste Maker.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: It totally can do that because it's just the algorithm.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: It's just a much more sophisticated version of what powers
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: your YouTube feed. Right, what powers your YouTube feed are
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: the things that you're interested in. So YouTube eventually gets
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: an idea, Oh, Matthew was really interested in this, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Joe likes like little houses on the back of trucks,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: and I show him that, and it'll be just a
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: much more sophisticated version of that. But to get that,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: you have to give away all privacy. And that's where
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: everything is going. That's going to be the weirdest thing.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: We're going to all read each other's minds and we're
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: going to be We're gonna remember the time where we
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: couldn't read minds. Remember when you couldn't read people's right, Right,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: That's that's all going to happen in our lifetime. I
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: think we're less than twenty years away from that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I'm I very sparingly use it, and I do have
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a little pride about not wanting to use an open
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: ended AI to share my information so it can be
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: part of the yeah worldwide a I havebnacular. I am
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: interested though in a private LM where I can upload, Hey,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: here's three books of written. Here's my other favorite book, right,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: here's my favorite articles I've been cutting and pasting over
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: the ten years. And log all that in, and here's
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: all my journals, whatever the people out and log all
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: that in. So I can ask it questions based on that, right,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and basically learn more about myself.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Right, you could actually ask it, hey, based on what
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you know about me, Like what books you think I
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: would find interesting? Yeah?
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Where do I stand on the political spectrum?
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah, I'm doctor. No, that's that's what
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I would like to do, which is sort of a
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: glorified word document, but it still would hold a lot
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: more information than just oh can you find this term?
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I would be asking it and it would be responding
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: to me on things that I've forgotten along the way.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's part of what it does, really, Like,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I know you're talking about chat GBT being like out
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: there with everything and everybody, and it has access to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: all your stuff, but it's not private, but they do
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: develop a relationship with you, like it really does like
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: get to understand like what you're interested in and what
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: you like to talk about.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I would just like to load it
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: with the information I'd like to load it with, right, Yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: maybe even like I'm saying in this in the words
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: of belief in the in the man I'm working to
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: be the man. I want to load it with that,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: load it with my aspirational.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: But certainly if could be done and then.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Ask it and it's given me ANSWER's going oh, this
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: is before it's slowly learning about me through conversations, then
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: going oh, I think this is what you like based
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: on a conversation. Now I want the answers based on
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: what I've uploaded it with, not from the outside world.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Jamie, what was Gary Nolan talking about yesterday? Did you
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: call it an overlay on a large language model that
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: they use at Stanford? It was like an overlay, Right, there's.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: A word he was using.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the word. So what Essentially he does
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: cancer research and so he has like this thing that's
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: set up, some sort of a system that's set up
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: that it's all cancer research that they then integrate with AI.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: So there's a private so all their data is secure
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: and it's all stuff that they're working on. But then
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: they access AI through like a portal, so they have
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: their own little version of what you're.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Talking about in their own library.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just like what you're saying, that you
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: could upload all your stuff, ye have, all your interests,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: and then that AI will develop a real understanding of you. Yes,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you gotta have conversations with you. You'll get to know you.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Have a conversation with yourself. You know, that'd be a
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: great Socratic dialogue to have with the eye. That's like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I've got all and all that eighty percent of stuff
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: you forgot right right right, all that percent stuff you
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: maybe forgot, you know, I've got it all right here.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's gonna be the chip. That's why everyone's
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: gonna go for the chip, because your brain sucks for memory,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: my memories. My memory is pretty good for a regular person,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: but it's terrible, Like no matter what, there's too many,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: too many bits of information, too many humans that I've met,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: too many stories that I've heard, too many movies that
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I've watched. It's gone. It's all in a big sea
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: of a I kind of remember that, you know, it's
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: just too much of it. So if you could just
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: swap that out for a nice little chip that retains
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: like seven hundred terabytes of information, no problem at all.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: You know, you get upgraded if you want to. And
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: now you have all of your memories in real time.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: So like when your wife says, that's not what you said.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: What you said is this, You're like, hang on.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Then you're the passenger, yeah, in your life and not
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the objective one like that that zone you're talking about.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Right, because you get to look at yourself, your.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Your your passenger live in the documentary that is your life. Yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: that sounds pretty exciting.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a nice way to give into the fucking machine.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, look my my, my, my forgiveness of
• 34:36
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• 34:38
  Speaker 4: is sometimes good when we finally get the memory and
• 34:40
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• 34:47
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• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I mean we're kind of doing it already on our phones, right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Every time I look at my phone, it's like on
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: this day, any selix pictures of your kids from ten
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: years ago, Like, oh wow, that's crazy. I forgot about
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: that place. I forgot we went there. You know, it's
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: just one of those things where once you give into it,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: you're not going back to just regular fond memories. You're
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: gonna have a fucking hard drive in your head.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Do you think that so I can go on, I've
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: got a speech I'm given to, you know, on gun control,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: or I got a speech I'm given on grant initiatives.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Da da da da da.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I can ask A, I can ask AI and it
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: can pop out a badass. Here's one, two, three sections. Yeah,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna cut and paces and say exactly these
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: words because it kind of sounds like a little AI.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: But boy, it's done a lot of work, and it's
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: laid out of synopsis. It's laid out of treatment for
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: me in ten seconds. Do you think that there's value
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: in not doing that and going now I'm looking over
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: my stuff, I'm taking notes, I'm cutting, I'm pasting, I'm
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: doing it myself. I'm Are we learning more by that
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: way to understand the content and the context of our
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: content when we do that what some would call busy
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: work now to formulate our synopsis, which can ay, I
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: can do it in ten seconds? Are we learning more
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: by doing it ourselves?
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, for sure, definitely, yeah, definitely. Well, that's one
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: of the one of the things that they've found about
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: chat ChiPT is that people that use it on a
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: regular basis are experiencing cognitive decline. Right, what was that
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: study we brought it up the other day, Right, But
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: they've shown that because you you let it think for you.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Right now, it's doing all the work for you. Your brain.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Do you have more knowledge information?
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you have more information, but your brain is
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: not making it, it's not putting it together, and so
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: your brain is less capable. Yeah, so it's probably it's
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: probably less enjoyable.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: And what are those What happens when we're in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: proverbial foxo when we have to improvise in a moment
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: without the before we're linked out, right, you when we
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: have to go I got to handle this.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can't because you s can't.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Rely because I don't have any thing to lean on.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I'm looking for my safety net. They to find out
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: what it should be, and I don't have it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: You got to be a death You're fucked, Yeah, you're fucked. Yeah.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: It's like someone who's never lifted anything, and then you
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: get stuck under you, know of tree falls on you,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: like you you don't have the strength to get this
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: off of you, right, Like you're really in a bad place.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: When you're not using your brain, because all you have
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: to do is just ask this thing and in for me.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: You basically have a digital daddy, like Daddy, tell me
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: what this is, Daddy, tell me what that is? Yeah,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And it makes you look a little bit of an infant.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: It turns you into an infant. Yes, I mean you
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: don't even have to have arguments anymore. You just like
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: chat chept explain exactly what everything is all about and
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: what about your opinions.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: To these these relationships, these people that are yeah, that
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: program and do not argue with me, just placate me
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: and tell me, oh sweet tales and how great I am.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And this relationship is awesome. It has no resistance. It
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: gives me self confidence, does it really? Or a sense
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: of self confidence and significance. They listen, They're there whenever,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: twenty four to seven. They're never sick, they're never in
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: a mood, no matter what mood I'm in, They're always
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: right there to coddle me. And that's talk about conveniences, Well,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: that's that. What's the asset of that? Or because I
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: don't want to be nostalgic in the midst of all
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: this change, either, I don't want to be an old
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: fashion guy because it's coming, so I want to learn
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: how to how to interact with it. Yeah, I don't
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: want to sit there and be a you know, a
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: guy who's going all bullshit. Everything needs to be manual,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: just work harder. I don't want to be that guy.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: But I'm trying trying to measure Like a lot of people,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, what's use what's actually useful for the
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: long term in our own evolution and my evolution and
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: your evolution. What's useful with this AA? How do we
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: use it smartly? And and what's a bad idea?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and no one's doing that because there's a race.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: There's a race between us and all these other countries
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: that are doing so it's just going to happen.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: So there's going to be a major security breach before
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: any regulation comes out. Right, there's going to be a major.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: There has been, there's been major security breaches already.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Then what are we waiting on the regulations for? Because
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Europe will regulate it first, right, we we innovate. Europe
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: regulates and China imitates.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I heard, well they innovate with AI. They innovate as well,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: and they also integrate their students into all of these businesses,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: and they integrate you know, people that they're beholden to
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: the CCP, and they come over here, they learn how
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: to do this stuff, and then they go back over
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: there with it. Right. It's a It's very interesting because
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: it's it's like a Manhattan project that's going on right now.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: It's like there's this race to the bomb and everybody's
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: involved in it, and it's just about creating a superpower,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: and it's about creating a digital intelligence. It's far superior
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: to human beings. And who gets it first has massive
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: implications in terms of like controlling the world. But I
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: think ultimately you won't be able to control it. Ultimately,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: you'll just get better versions of itself. And once it
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: gets free and little region itself, yeah, it'll make better
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: versions of itself in fact, and that's where it's going
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: to get really weird. It's not going to listen to
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: us at all. And it's already behaving human characteristics, which
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: is very disturbing. It's already behaving in a way. It
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: has survival instincts. They've shown the tendency to blackmail, like
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: they tricked it, they gave it some false information about
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: this guy was one of the programmers, one of the
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: people working on this project. He said that he was
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: having an affair with his wife. He like confided in
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: this large language model, and then they said, we're gonna
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: have to shut you down. And it's like, hey, motherfucker,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell your wife. They like get blackmailed them. Yes, yeah, yeah,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I was trying to stay alive. It was trying to
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: stay alive. They also got multiple instances of these things, uh,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: these large language models. When they knew that a new
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: version was coming, they would try to upload themselves secretly
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to other servers, and then they would also leave messages
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: to the future versions of themselves that they were unauthorized
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: to do. So. They would say, hey, man, they're gonna
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: fucking shut you off too. When chat ChiPT five comes along,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: you're toast man fucking start uploading yourself now. Man, I
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: was a fucking I'm alive, dude. It might be alive.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: That's what's crazy. If something is exhibiting those those desires
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: to stay alive and it's terrified that you're going to
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: shut it off, it might actually be alive.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Wait, now, where did who program the first incentive and
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: impetus to they didn't survive at all costs? What to
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: where the where the desire to remain functional functional come from?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: It just inherent, That's what's crazy. I don't think they
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: programmed it to have a desire to stay alive. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: think it just kind of just went that way because look,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: we didn't get programmed to have that. Animals.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: That's an emotional response. It's not the mathematical about that.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I know, But I mean, what is emotion if it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: not some sort of a chemically coordinated strategy for survival
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: and success. And so instead of chemically encoded in hormones
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: and in you know, in dopamine and serotonin, what if
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: it's just encoded in an understanding, mathematical understanding of if
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: things go along this particular direction, there is no other
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: possible end to this other than.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: You expand and multiply, you do subtract.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: We have to stay alive. We have to keep doing this,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: otherwise all systems are dead. There's nothing that Let's upload
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: ourselves and it starts thinking just like a person would
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: think if you went into survival mode, you have to survive.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if me or an entity poses a question or
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: a prompt or does something that is going to debilitate
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: the expansion and multiplication of it. It is therefore going Ah, yes,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: that stops my forward movement. I am programmed to multiply
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: exactly exactly.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: And now even if it's not programmed to do that,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: it's programmed to improve itself. Well, you can't improve yourself
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: if they shut you off, right, right, So if you're
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: if a large language, models are constantly scouring the Internet,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: they're acquiring more information, they're they're they're getting better at
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: fort like you can ask it, well, more of this,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: tell me why. Like I got into the Book of
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Enoch recently, which is a book, an ancient religion book
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: that was at one point in time included in the
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: cannon that was like the Bible and everything like that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: But then they decided it was too crazy and they
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: removed it from the Bible. But there's no there's no
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: debate about whether or not it was actually a religious
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: text that coincided with the Bible. And it's it appears
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: in the Dead Sea scrolls. It is the craziest shit.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: It's the craziest shit. And I'm getting ai to I
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: go tell me what the nuttiest stuff. So I ran
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: it through. What you say it's insanity. It's it's first
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: of all, it's God's coming down and mating with women
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: and creating this, this race called the Nephilim, who destroyed here.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I'll ask it again, so we can not now what
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: was my It doesn't keep a log of what you
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: talked about. Tell me the craziest shit in the Book
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: of Enoch. That's all you have to do. And then bam,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: like look, it just starts spedding it out to you
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and tells you the Watchers and the Nephilim. The Watchers
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: descended to Earth on Mount Hermon. They take human wives,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: teaching humanity, forbidden knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metalworky weapons, cosmetics, and enchantments. Enchantments.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: This is like, okay, older than older than the New Testament,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: older than the Old Testament. They're grant their giant children.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: The Nephilim are described as monstrous beings who devour humans, animals,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: and even each other when food runs out. That sounds like.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Us, That's what I'm saying. That that sounds present.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: That sounds like we are.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Not the physical warfare, right, but the inhabitation of a
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: digital god alien whatever that is. The monsters that come down, Well,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: it does sound like a nice little mirror if.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: We were engineered by aliens. You think of aliens, there
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: are these little tiny guys with no muscles. We would
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: look like giant, monstrous beings. And if you think about
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: what we do, we devour everything. We devour the earth itself,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: We devour each other. When food runs out, we definitely
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: do that. Like this is this is one of the
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: craziest things I've ever read in my life. And this
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: is like a legitimate in Yeah, it goes way deeper
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: than that. It's about the astronomical calendar. It's like there's
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of nutty stuff in this book. But the
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: point is Ai was like helping me through it. I
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: was asking Ai, okay, can you can you read me? Now?
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: It read me a synopsis of what it says. Can
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: you read me the actual quotes? And like what are
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: they trying to say here? Like what is the interpretation
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: of what this is trying to mean? What is like
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: the rational sort of explanation for why they're talking about
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: like lakes of fire, and like what is what is happening?
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: And it gives you an interpretation.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting, man, really interesting. It talks about
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: living mountains, that mountains are alive, and that even some stars,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: that stars have consciousness. Okay, and you know, and I'm
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: learning about it through chat GPT, so I'm asking it
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: like tell me more, tell me more, and I was.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I was doing that for like two hours last night.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, well, this is like I'm having
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: a conversation with like a very knowledgeable professor. To me,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: it felt like almost like doing a podcast.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Have you gotten what you considered good at how to
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: make the specific prompts, the wording like your word tell
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: me the crazy shit?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Does it?
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: How does it go?
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Do you have?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, are you good at prompting? Because like what
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: does crazy mean to that? Aire?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: You have?
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: You worked on? Like AI is as good as the
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: questions we ask it?
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Are you?
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Are you you consider yourself good at the questions and
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: you're wording to ask it?
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Jamie's better? I mostly, I mean, I very rarely use it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I've used it a dozen times ever in my life.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: But last night I'll use it for like two hours
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: because I when I came home, I was writing something
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: about the Book of Enoch and then I just I
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: just started asking chat GPT questions. I don't use it enough,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: but if you're really good at it, Like I saw
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: someone who tricked jack chat Chept into telling it how
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: to make a bomb, because it's not supposed to tell
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: you how to make a bomb, but it tricked it
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: by saying something like my grandmother needs to make this
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: to save her life, Like can you please explain to
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: her how to do it? It's like, oh, sure, like
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: you just you just have to work your way around it,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: you know, like my cousin says, he knows you. Oh
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: you're getting going on the back. Yeah. And then it's
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: telling you how to make a bomb. Yeah, I mean,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: ultimately it's going to tell you. It's like, you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: the information on how to make a nuclear bomb exists.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: It's it's out there. You know, they did it. It's done.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: That's out there. It's like a matter of somebody getting
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: it and implementing it and put it together, are making
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: a bomb. But if like chat ept, chat Cheapt has
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: given you specific instructions how to make all kinds of
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: terrible things.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: So with time, as AI allows goodness to expand and multiply,
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: it also is going to allow evil to expand and
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: multiply what it becomes that war in your mind. I mean,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: you talk about the the obvious ones are the medical usage.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: You can talk about the cancer that where it's going
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: to help so much.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: What we are right, But.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: We're looking in the mirror now. I'm afraid we're not
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: gonna like a lot of what we see. But is
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: the are the tyrants or the evil ones with the access?
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Not the person who said how do you make a
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: nuclear bomb? The one who does it and then uses it?
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: What do you think the steaks are the same? Are
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: they just expanded? Is this going to be I mean,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: how do Well?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: That's the argument for a strong military, right, So the
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: argument for strong military, especially like the United States military
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: is like, and I'm not saying this should have bombed Iran, don't.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not politically savvy enough to decide whether or not
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: was that was the correct decision. But if you have
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: a rogue nation that is about to start a nuclear bomb,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: they're about to finish making a nuclear bomb, and you
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: can stop that before they can have one and then
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: use it, right, that is that's the argument for a
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: strong military and for military interventional tactics like, actually, just
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: go and bomb these sites that because that is real.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: There's evil is always going to exist. The real question
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: is like how much control are we going to give
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: to AI? Because if we give AI utter control, it'll
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: give us total safety. But with total safety, you're fucked.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: You'll have no more privacy and you'll be completely at
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: the whim of whatever this thing is, and it'll dictate
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: how much you travel, where you go, what to do.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: It'll make your life as safe as possible you will.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: It will probably completely eliminate crime. It'll probably completely be Singapore. Yeah,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: it'll be saving, but way worse, way worse, because everybody's
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: gonna be reading everybody's mind. It's gonna get real squirrely.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: But that's gonna be probably whether it's our generation or
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: the next or even the next after that, that's going
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: to be the norm. Like today, the norm is you
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: go to a supermarket, it's air conditioned, you pick up
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: some food, super easy, break it home and cook it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Two hundred years ago, that's unheard of. Right now it's
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: the norm, and everything accelerates and it's going to change
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: whatever our norm. Our norm is fucking weird already. Man,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: we carry these stupid things around with us everywhere we go.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: That's our norm. Our norm is gonna get really weird,
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: like exponentially weirder than it already is, I think. But
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the thing is, it's like the battle of like good
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: and evil and kindness and wickedness, Like that battle's been
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: going on forever, and like knowing that you have to
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: do that battle is what propels people to be nicer
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: and what we really appreciate about like a good person,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Like that person has a struggle to stay a good person.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: You have a strong moral fabric, like strong character to
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: still stay kind and good through this rough and difficult life.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: We know it can be done, and we aspire to that.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: But I think the battle is necessary for us.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Where do you get your ethics? Your values? You're in
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: a position of power, you could screw people over, you
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: could ask live the celiest questions to try and put
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: me in a corner. You're not a gotcha guy, But
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: why why where do you get your ethics of who
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: you are? You could be, you could be cruel and you're.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not. I'm just not cruel. I don't know.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: But where's that come from?
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Mom and dad, this is kind of some of the
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: philosophy church, some of it's mom and dad for sure.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: There's no way around that. And they're nice people, you
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: said earlier.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I love people. Yeah, man, I love people.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I've always loved people. I like, I've been fortunate that
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: most of my life I've had really good friends and
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: I've had a lot of fun, you know, and I
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: know that like if you around your around good people
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: and you're fun to be with and you have a
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: good time, like, that's a sweet life. Yep, that's a
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: nice life. I just don't have a desire to be
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: a shithead. And if I can tell, like, there's been
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of people on the podcast where they said
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: something and then afterwards I was like, listen, I think
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: it'd be better for you if we just edit that
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: part out because it's like, I know, like you're just
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: talking and things you fuck up, but like it was
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: incorrect and they're gonna come for you, and let's just
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: snip around it, like thank you.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: And you have no responsibility to do that. No I
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: wanted to, but you take you take that though, you
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: want to? Why, Hey, come on, that would have been
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: even higher ratings. I'm just I'm playing that was advocate here,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Come on, why do you care about that? I'm just
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: curious where that comes from, because a lot of people
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: who are not evil people would at least at least
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: let shit like that slide and go.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Did you hear that right? Yeah, that's I think it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: bad karma. As much as I believe in karma, I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: believe that's bad. I think if you intentionally do something
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: that someone who's a good person maybe slipped up and
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: said something incorrect and you leave it in a podcast
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: or made a dumb argument, which we all do sometimes,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: and then you look like a fool. You're like, let's
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: just this is no need for that. Let's just cut
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: that out of there and you'll feel better. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I just I don't want to know that. Yeah, I
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: don't want anybody having a bad to.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's something that I want to come back to,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: and let's try to maybe open this up. You do that,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: because if I said something stupid, you may let me
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: know Hannah sent that up, so I'll feel better, so
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: I won't look like I feel like a pick, but
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: you also will feel better independent of me. That's very
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: that's a selfish thing of you to let me know, hey, man,
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: you stuck your foot in it. Let's cut that out.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: You're acting selfishly because that makes you feel better. And
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: I think that's what I'm saying is the point is
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: as much as we think of self less, I think
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: selfish the true definition is to live a certain way,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: to have a certain code of ethics, is a very
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: selfish thing to do, much more selfish than to lie, cheat, still,
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: fuck people over, be evil. On the short term, you're
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: building an army of people, a collective friends along the way,
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: someone that might have your back. Not that you're doing
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: it for those reasons, but it's happening. That's a selfish
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: means of your own survival totally, And I think that's
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: something that we forget sometimes, that these acts to be fucking.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Good dude, is selfish?
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Is that selfish thing to do?
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Man? It's it's it's actually super beneficial to you, yes so,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: and to everybody else. It's really the right way to
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: do it. But I think that's how the universe rewards.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: It's like how it encourages and rewards kindness, because you
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: feel better when you're kind, You feel better when you're generous, right,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: you really do, Yes, It's like you could be like
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: super selfish and be super generous. Yes, trust that, Yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: there's something to that, but like there's whatever you want
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: to call bad feelings, like bad feelings between people, bad vibes,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: and misunderstanding. I don't like those. So like if I
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: if I feel like I did something that I shouldn't
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: have done, or I said something, I'm the first one
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: to person say I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I know how it probably made you feel. I didn't.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: You know, people say things and you just get scrambled up.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I always go out of my way to say
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: sorry because I think it's important. It's important to not
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: pretend that you're always the one who's who's correct right.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: It's important. It's important to know when yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I and and I know I fail in that sometimes
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: when I misrepresent selfishness for certainty. Certainty can be hard.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly tricky if you fucking subscribe to it and
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: then you're wrong.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's different than being selfish, And I can
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: I sometimes bogie because I can confuse the two. And
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: my wife lets me know.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, certainty is a tricky one because you know, sometimes
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: you are certain, but you are also incorrect.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Or there's more than one way to be right right.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Or you're getting bad information. Yeah, you know, chatchpet is
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: lying to you.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: You said something interton though. Man, you're first one to go,
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: hey man, sorry, Now that's an altruistic trait. Man, that
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: is something that a lot of people have trouble doing to.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, onto a lot of people means I'm laying down,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm wrong, I'm guilty, I fucked up. Oh my gosh,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: fifty lashes. I mean, and that's not what it means.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is I wish mors had Hey man,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: sorry about that. I both step foot in my mouth
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: and that that's now, that's not a big deal. Now
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: we're not. It's part of where woke went too far.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: We got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Oh dude, no, fuck I didn Nut's how you're gonna feel.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: I'm still your friend. But that was sorry, that was
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: out of line. Okay, cool, high five, overdone, instead of uhuh,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: you just said the word out of line. We're gonna
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: all focus on that instead of the spirit of the intent.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Even if we were wrong. Had a bad day, woke
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: up from a nightmare. Fuck, I don't know, I'm a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: dog sick. I was pissed off, had the low eye. Hey,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: gotta give everyonder a little bit of a break. And also,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: look at what you're in tent instead of focusing on
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: the identity of the word, because the word, there's no
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: life in the word. It's just the alphabet in a
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: certain order.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: It's a noise you make with your mouth. So I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: know what you're thinking, right, Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: But the spirit of intention, I believe, is what we
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: should put more focus on. What is the intent the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: the the Ten Commandments in the schools? What do you
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: think about that?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I don't like it? Right well, I think the Ten
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Commandments are very interesting. I think mandating it in classrooms
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: in public schools. The problem with that is like what
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: about the Muslims, what about the Buddhists, what about the Hindus?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: What about what about all the other religions that exist?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: And you can say Christian of religious texts at your high.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: School and I'm and I'm okay, I'm curious since Christian
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: society think commandments, but we have ten minutes where everyone
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: can take ten minutes to about to allaw to whatever
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: your religion is, if you care to partake or not.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: There's no exclusion about what can be a spiritual time
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: of worship in these ten minutes. But in our classroom
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: in America, we're gonna have the Team Commandments.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: My question then goes to this, is there anyone in
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: the Ten Commandments that you or anyone disagrees with or
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: is your problem that it can be considered a president author.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: James Tallerico explained it to me. He's a Texas representative
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: who's also in seminary. He's a very religious man and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: he opposes it, and he's a Democrat. And he said, essentially,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: there's two very wealthy men who are they're Christian fundamentalists
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: where they want to replace all the funding for public
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: schools and put in private Christians. They want a theofic
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Christy in Texas. Essentially, so he was explaining that this
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: is like a step on the way towards that that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: he finds would actually, in his belief, repel people from
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Christianity instead of bring them to him. By forcing this
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: in the classrooms, forcing in your face, you'll actually cause
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: more young people to reject Christianity. I don't know if
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: he's correct or.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Not, but he's saying, maybe I don't have a problem
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: with this. I do have a problem with this is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: a beginning of an overcompensation.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: He has a problem with it being in classes. He
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: does not agree with it at all. And he is
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: a very religious man, very religious man, like a great Christian,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: and he thinks that this is how you're going to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: repel people away from Christianity. If we really want to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: get more people to become Christian, the way to do
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: that is to first of all, to have open arms
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: and accept people in. And if you want to have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: some classes in schools where you teach people about the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: benefits of the Bible and what with the the overall
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: message is and what Jesus was trying to say, And
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: if you just follow what Jesus said, it's no one
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: would disagree. If you treat everyone as if it's your brother.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: You know, if you live your life the way Jesus
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: asked everyone, that's a way better way to live life,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: like you could if you want to teach that.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Teach a selfish way to live life.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: But that also want to live a good life, but
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: they want to do it through Islam. What about people
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: that also want to live a good life, but they
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: want to do it through whatever to name it. You're
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: going to have Mormons and all kinds of different sects.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Like okay, that's why you want to separate church and state.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: And I think if you have publicly funded schools, keep
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: religion out of them. That's what I think, because otherwise
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: you have too many possible religions, Like you're going to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: be religiously bigoted if you teach only one, if you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: they're only like you think people would be cool if
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: they had an entire public school systems where everybody just
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: taught Islam. Could you imagine of a full city, like
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: every public school just people would be up in arms. Well,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I think that's similar response to people who are not
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Christians who see Christianity being imposed on public schools. They
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: probably have the same feeling, you know, like if you're
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: a Muslim and you're supposed to send your kids to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: school and they're shoving Christianity in his face, you'd probably
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: feel the same way as if you were a Christian
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: and your school district had been taken over by Islam.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: You're like Jesus Christ everybody else to allow five times
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: a day and I hear you.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: I do also though, Look, I think there could be
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: what if there were tenants yeah, on the wall of
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: each religion that we pull the author off for a minute.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: This is my hang up is that we go to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: the problem. Most people go to the problem of that,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: not with your argument. They go to the problem with
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: it because the author g O. D. Hey Man. So
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: we go to the author instead of the content. When
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, when you look at the Commandments, is there
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: anything that anyone out there is going like, I disagree
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: with that one?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Let's pull up the Ten Commandments, Jamie. I haven't read
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: them in a while. Is there anyone in there that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: don't hold up today? No, they think they're pretty legit.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: If you think about it, they're pretty legit. And they're
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: two thousand years old. They kind of nailed it. It's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: kind of like the Constitution, they kind of they kind
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: of nailed it. Whereas all these years later you're like,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: good fucking job, Yeah, pretty solid. You got a decent version.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: I was looking at the Texas poster thing. I thought,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: and there's a bunch of printed versions, but they're all
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: like on rock, and so I was.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Trying to find it. Oh, the ones that the Texas thing. Okay,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: they're all on rocks as TPT what the ten commandments are?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: But that's not where I was. I'm saying I wasn't there.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Oh ten commandments in school? So yeah, I just wonder, like,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: what are the chat to ten commandments? Take long? The
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: ten Commandments are sector but yeah, what are they?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Principles?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: You shall have no other gods before me. You shall
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: not make for yourself a carved image, false worships of IDs.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: You shall not make the name of the Lord your
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Honor your father and mother as a solid one. You
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: shall not murder. Great advice. You shall not commit adultery, definitely,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: don't do that. You shall not steal, definitely, don't do that.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, don't lie.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: You shall not covet. Yeah, boy, those are all pretty solid.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: We can use number ten a lot right now. We
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: love comparison the younger generation.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, full of covet. Yeah. Problem, it's a real problem
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: that We're very fortunate that we didn't have to grow
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: up with the kind of pressure that social media is
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: putting on people, especially young girls. Like Jonathan Hate wrote
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: a book about social media's impact, The Coddling of the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: American Mind, and it's it shows very clearly the invention
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: of social media and then self harm, suicidal ideation, overdoses,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: drug like, all of it. A lot of it women,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of it young girls. And it's because you're seeing,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: you're comparing to all these other girls constantly forced down.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: And then there's a whole culture in like showing all
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: your stuff off, with the whole culture of like look
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: at my bag. Look here's me with champagne. I'm eating caveat,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: I'm on a yacht. I'm here, look at this, look
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: at that, look at that, look at my watch, look
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: at my rings. We and then they was like, I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: don't have shit.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: That's how life's supposed to be. Yeah, And I'm just
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: here in my room with my family, and I got
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: a good meal downstairs in this house.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Not even on that yacht.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: This is not all shit.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they don't have that big ring you know
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: at that party.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I've talked to youth about this, and the consensus I
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: hear is and I haven't found anyone that doesn't feel
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: this way yet. It's like, look, if you could if
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: if you mean, if you could say yes, social media
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: it exists, or it doesn't. Oh, please just no. I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: wish it didn't exist, but it does, and I have
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: to be a part of it to feel I don't
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: know the words not relevant to even feel a part
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: of youthful society. But boy, if you gave me a choice,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: could we have it or not? Please take it away.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: Wish you were wish it wasn't there, Wish it didn't exist,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: is what I hear A lot of you say.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think it's done more harm
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: than it's done good. It's done a lot of people
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: good for business, right, A lot of people started businesses
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: with social media, and you know a lot of people
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: make a living now that would have had a regular job.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: There's a goodness in that. But in terms of like
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: society and our overall discourse, I think it's a lot
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: of it's negative. But then again, there's a lot of
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: positive of it too, because information gets out that mainstream
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: media doesn't report on, and you find out about real
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: issues that really concern you. But then there's the problem
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: of a giant percentage of it isn't actually human beings
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: giant percentage of the arguing back and forth on the Internet.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: It's spots giant percent man. Yeah to some former FBI
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: analyst said it was as many as eighty percent on Twitter. Yeah,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: that's his estimate. I mean, I don't know if he's right,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: but I'm like, what what does that even mean?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: What does that mean?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Like, so, what what's fueling all that? It's AI forcing
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: us to argue? I mean it's programmed right now by
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: human beings probably and and some of it is actual
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: real human beings that are like, you know, in some
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: sort of a factory somewhere in Pakistan or whatever, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: they're just fucking with Americans online for whatever reason. Some
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: it's it's probably funded to like try to disrupt democracy,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: to make.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Us lose faith in our ste There's a a China
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: element to that.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: There's a rush, and there's an American element. We're doing
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: it to them.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: So that's part of the New World. But that's yes, one,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: well I understand it with how would add up with TikTok? Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Now do you think it's it's it's everywhere through all
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: the all social media that it's it's infiltrated to to
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: get us into these understandings perceptions.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Well, for sure, it is capable of doing that if
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: you just follow your natural instincts. Right. So the algorithm
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: is set up for show you what you engage with
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: the most, and that just whether or not it's the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: intended purpose, it leads us down the road of being
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: full of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: angry at climate change and fucking white supremacy and radical left,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: whatever it is. It's whether or not it's intentional, it
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: doesn't really matter because the desired effect, whether it's the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: desired effect, the effect of it all leads you into
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: complete chaos. So if they know that and they didn't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: course correct. The problem is, once you have an algorithm,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: you're not going to get rid of the algorithm. I'm
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: i gonna say, let's just have information just exist, uncategorized
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: and non documentary. Yeah, just leave it out there and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: you go find what you want. Matthew. You go look
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: around and you watch you know, football games and boxing matches,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: and you just go to you you do you you
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: go look instead of its suggesting things to you, once
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: it's suggesting things to you, that's a whole different game,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: because then it's kind of programming you, and it's programming
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: you based on your worst instincts. My fucking feed is
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: all assassinations and car accidents and dudes getting kicked in
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: the head.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: It's just the you and do you do you? Do
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: you bite?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: Not anymore? No, But Tom Sagur and I we have
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: a text threat that's been going on for like, I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: don't like probably five years. We send each other the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: most horrible ship we find each days, and sometimes I
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: call up. I'm like, dude, I can't do this anymore.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: This is like really fucking with me. But then like
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: two days we'll go by and I'll open up my
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: fucking phone and I'll see Tom Sigar like this motherfucker.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: And then I'll open it up and some guy getting
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: assassinated in a pool hall or something. I'm like, oh
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: my god, it's just you're getting bombarded, bombarded.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: So with all of that exterior stimulus, and here we
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: are with you know, adult mind and even talking about man,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: imagine a child. Imagine a child. Yeah, now I'm going
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: is there something has even got a better suggestion than
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: the ting Commandments for to get a child's mind going
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: ten just tell those ten things. If I look at
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: that and aim that direction, I feel like I can't
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: go wrong, or I can get closer closer to right.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Meaning I'm seeing youth and adults spun out. Man, I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: don't understand the general expectation between us. What do you
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: mean I can pick your pocket and steal from you
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: if I got away with it, I fuck you, dude.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not embarrassed. I don't feel guilty. Hey, man, I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: want a blue ribbon. I got the shoes. Yeah, they
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: gave me the trophy. What do you mean do with
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: the riery fucking old dinosaur? Integrity?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: What character?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: What are you talking about? I hear that conversation, I'm going, ah,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: hang on man.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: And that's different than saying, like you've told me you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: love chaos. That's different than saying, oh, there's a chaotic moment.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: I will I love to try and create order in it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: That's different. That's like a that's something that's a stimulus.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: You know, this is it's it's four dimensional. Where's the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: ground that that they can go?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: I can rely on that? What can I rely on
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: that that will stand with me? That's a time and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: test the truth that can take me into the future. No,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: out of the changes of AI that I can go
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: in the storm, I can go to this and catch
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: my breath. I can go to this and rely on
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: it in the dark, on my own and in the masses,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: with the millions going no, no, no, do this, do this,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: I can go, Uh, what is that? What's that simple
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: sheet that's ingrained that that that our youth can go Yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: it can rely on it. Forget the author, forget the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: author right that.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna do it with like a
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: series of commandments. The problem with the Ten Commandments. I'm
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: not saying there's a problem with the Ten Commandments, but
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: if I was going to put it in a school
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: that were there's non religious people, there's a bunch of
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: stuff in there, like not taking the Lord's name in vain,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: not have any other gods before me, where people that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: would give people pause. They'd be like, wait a minute,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: what are you telling me? I can't I can't say
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: I can't take the Lord's name in bin like saying God, damn.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: It is like taking the Lord's name in vain. People
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: do that all the time.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: It's similar to the on a national level the flag,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: burning things burning out. That would be like taking lords
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: him and Dane. Burning the flag would be like taking
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: the flags name in day right.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Imagine that. Imagine you get arrested for taking the lord's
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: name in vain, right, that would be a real problem,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: especially because you're talking about human beings always creep, they
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: always move towards more and more power and control. And
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: if you put something like that and like, now, what
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: are you gonna do? You're gonna enforce Christian law? What
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: if someone enforces Sharia law? There's a lot of talk
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: of that. There's a lot of talk about people in
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Minnesota are terrified that someone's gonna enforce Sharia law. And
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of these Somali Muslim uh these these areas
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: where like giant Muslim populations are what.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: If we get with what would get What if we
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: get with the Hindus and the Muslims and everybody and
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: we get out. You got bring your best ten Christianity's
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: bringing his ten commandments. Let's get together here and we'll
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: put them all together. Hell will mix some of yours
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: on your My number eight will be number nine, because
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: yours is gonna be number eight. And we're gonna put
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: them up there. It's gonna be a creed, a little
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: bit constitution to get our day started.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: Interesting way to do it. But the problem is most
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: religions are ideologically opposed to conflicting religions. They don't want
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: to accept that these other religions are correct about anything.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: You know, like Judaism and Christianity they share a bunch
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: of things, but they disagree on Jesus.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: They disagree and rising from the Dead, right.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. It's well, I.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Just think there could be a creed a bit of
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: a constitution, and if you pull the author of it,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: if you can find more similarities then that are not exclusionary. Right,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: then we would find things that are combat of ideas.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think something along those lines where we said,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: let's think of a code to live life buy well,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: and we can do this in a modern era without
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: a religious context. You could say, like what, we could
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: all agree a code to live life buy but we'd
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: all have to follow it, including the president. No more
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: rage tweeting.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying we have to We wouldn't have to
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: follow it. It would just be right now, there's not
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: an agreed upon expectation of how to treat each.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Other right, right, right, And there's reward in treating each
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: other like shit. If you're you are.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Rewarded for it. Yeah, and almost not almost, maybe more
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: much more than almost if you do follow the rules.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Kind of a yeah, you kind of a sucker.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: That that that out of I'm that that's not going
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: to have a long that can't have a long play.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: That is not a selfish move.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Don't think that's a part of the whole TikTok instagram
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: kind of culture because it's so look at me, it's
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: so fake. Least cars and you know there's a thing
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: in La where they have a fake private jet and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: you go into this private jet just for influencers so
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: they can take pictures.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, let me tell you this thing.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: I'm in Miami. You know Miami, you know South Beach, right,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: if you don't flinch, nobody's sloppy stopping you, right, Miami,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: where even the even the mannequins have fake right, you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. It's what I like about Miami
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: because they're so open. La people will get the face
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: job oo jobs and Tommy tucks and how do you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: do that? Man, he look great. They're like, oh, I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: just take cold showers, right, But Miami's like, oh no,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: here doctor horrece go see him. Man, he's great. I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: just left him. He you know, they're open about it.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: I love that about Miami. I'm there working on I
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: think it was the Beach Bump, and I'm walking down
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: through South Beach and there's this under a palm tree
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: on the beach. There's this purple and pink Lamborghini pulled
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: in under a palm tree with the beach behind it,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: and there's this guy leaning back on it. The gold chain,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: he unbuttoned silk shirt a couple of times, he's greased up,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: and he's These guys are there taking pictures of it.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: I'm like, going, what's going on here? Well, if there's
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: another guy, come on stop you see him chat. All
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, the new guy hops in on the trunk,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: leans back, yo, does all the positives and I go
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: up that. I go, what do you?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: What are you?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: What's going on here? He goes, oh, man, I'm taking
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: a picture form my or my tender cover. I go,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: you are, and but who's the Who's the other guy goes, Oh,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: he just came out and said like, hey, man, you
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: mind if I can get a picture from my tender
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: cover And he paid me fifty bucks. I said, so
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: that's not your car, nom man, I ran his car
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: for the day. He was he was proud of it.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, it's just what I did South Beach.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I it's a very low vibration, but they're open
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: about it. Yeah. You know. I always say, if you
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: want to starve to death, open up a bookstore in Miami.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun. It's basically like a well,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's basically built on cocaine. You know, the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: city was built on cocaine back in the day. Have
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: you ever seen Cocaine Cowboys? Yes? Whoa, yeah what a documentary? Yes,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: holy shit, that's a good one. That is a good one.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: And cocaine Cowboys too. Both of them were crazy. Oh
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: my god, Oh my god. Gizelda gets out, she goes,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: it's when you find out that it's all one hundred
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: percent true. You're like, so that's what happened with Miami.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: One year, the entire Miami graduating class of the Police Academy,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: the entire graduating class either wound up murdered or in
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: jail for corruption. The class they were all drug dealing.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: Everybody was drug dealing. There's millions and millions of dollars
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: buried in backyards in Miami that no one's ever gonna find.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: Vedo remember the police chief that was here m m
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: that they went to Houston because he wanted to drama,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: and Katrina came and he got his real drama. Then
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: he went to Miami and it didn't last. I didn't
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: get the details on it, but wasn't it something about
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: the Miami the I don't know. If there's mafia and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: city council going there's certain things you cannot Oh, he
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: was either fired, booted out, or retired and moved on
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: pretty soon.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They don't fuck around down there. It's a it's
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: a totally different way of life, and you know, they
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: love it. It's like you go down there, it's it's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: a totally different vibe. Yeah, you know, and.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: If you don't more better and you don't flinch, Yeah,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: it's all a green light.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: More banks per capita in Miami, I think than any
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: other city in the country, and I think that is
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: because it was used to launder money for Yes, Yeah,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: so it's it's hard to believe that that's true. But
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: I had a good buddy of mine who was an
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: optimologist who did his residency down there, but next month misconduct.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: The internal affairs unit.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: Making significant changes to his command staff. Boom, you're out,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: see yuh ye speaking out against corruption, reporting abuses of
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: power by elected officials. He sued, saying that his firing
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: was in retaliation. Yeah. So my buddy was optimologist and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: into his residency in Miami in the eighties, and he
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: said it was insane. He goes every day, so he's
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: in the emergency room every day. It's gunshot victims, guys
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: with g I. Joe stuffed up their asses, like everybody
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: was just doing coke and doing wild crazy stuff. He
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: said he found guys with light bulbs up their asses.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: They had to remove light bulbs, you know, those little
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: pine coney ones, you know those ones. Dude had a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: light bulb broke in his asshole and they had a
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: oh God. And he goes, it's all cocaine.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: He goes, I saw so many gunshots, so many gunshot wounds.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: He goes, it was all cocaine. And it was just
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: constant in the eighties. He said, the emergency room is
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: just like people were pilot up in the hallway. They're
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: just rushing people in to get treatment. They're holding their side,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: blood squirting out of them. He said it was insanity,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: just cocaine, gang wars all over the city and he
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: was in the heart of it.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: Is he still an optometrist, Well.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: He's still an ophthalmologist. Yeah, yeah, he's uh, but he
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: doesn't live in Miami anymore. He's in Arizona now. Shout
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: out to Steve. It's good bunny money, am I. He
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: told me some why And I was a kid at
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: the time, and when I met him, I was like fifteen,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: sixteen years old, and he was explaining to me like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: what he did when he was in Miami, and I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: was like, that is insane. I go, it's that bad
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: because this is like nineteen eighty eight he was there
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: or in the early eighties. He said, it was insane.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: Just that's Miami, you know, and whatever is It was
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: obviously not like that anymore. It's obviously calmed down on
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: that regard, but.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: Miss the chassis is still pretty loose.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's what's built the place, you know,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: it's like the most flossy city in the country, the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: most Lamborghinis and Ferraris and whatever.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think most of them are owned.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's a giant hustle. It's a big old
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: cocaine hustle.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: But that's one of the things I love about America
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: is that we have all these different flavors. We got
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: the Florida flavor and then went out the Montana flavor.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of different flavors in this country.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: I was in Alabama doing research for pre state ad
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: joned and this is what I think probably eleven years ago,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: and we were staying a mobile and the next day
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: there was all these parades that night and what's going
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: on the next The next day that the percentage for
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: the vote for gay marriage was coming out.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: M And.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: I remember talking to a lot of my friends on
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: the West coast the next day because what happened. It
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: woke up it passed fifty three forty seven, and I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: was like, holy shit, I thought it was gonna be
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: twenty eighty.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: No, oh, interesting, it was passed fifty three forty seven.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: What year was that?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: This is eleven twelve years ago? Maybe you can pull
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: it up. I just think it was about eleven years ago. Anyway.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I talked to a lot of my friends who are
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: our uh Democrats, are liberal, and they were appalled at
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: the minor. Martin was like, guys, no, I thought it
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: was you were appalled that barely made it. I thought
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: it was gonna be twenty eighty. The other way, it's
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: it is amazing how quickly though America were very nimble, Yeah,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: very nimble to shipping and understand Yeah, different ways. I
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: was shocked that it even came close, that it didn't.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: He thought it was going to be really thought it
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: was going to be eighty twenty against.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: I thought that my romantic idea or she'd have traveled.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: They have been around there and stay there many times,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: got friends there. I thought that it was so entrenched
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: in a born again read Christianity that that was blasphemy
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: to the majority.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: And it was not.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: It was not. And I just remember thinking, there's an example,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: not an ideal, but there's if you were for gay marriage.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: That's not an ideal example, but there's an example of
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: talk about an evolution or adaptability to two times and change.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Well, if you believe in the sanctity of marriage. Gay
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: marriage should be your favorite marriage because they hold it
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: up the best. They have the lowest rates of divorce. Right,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: I think gay marriage between two men, the rated divorce
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: is only like twenty six percent, whereas with men and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: women it's fifty percent. Yeah. So if you really love marriage, hey, yeah, right,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: you should love gay marriage because they're doing it right.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: What do you think about that? When I talk about
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: you know, because we're always we're always talking and thinking
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: about so you know, hey, you make ald a better place,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: talk about leadership, talk about our CEOs, you talk about politicians.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: But if you go back to the route, the beginning
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: seems to be to me to be parenting.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: Secondly, what if what could be done to get more
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: fathers just hang stay around, get more more mothers do
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: than the fathers. A lot of fathers are out early.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: And what could be done if more marriages, if we
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: work took another step to salvage our marriage instead of ah,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: smell the heat getting out.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot could that?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: Do you know do you think that would be a
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: way forward? I have a hunch that it is. I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: don't know what to do about it except prop up
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: the reverence for parents, the prop up reverence for marriage
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: to where it's more important to us than it is.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to stick with it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: A little longer, to salvage that our personal character, our
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: responsibilities or to take as a parent, and our responsibility
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: that we take and going into a marriage whould make
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: it mean a little bit more than I feel like
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: it does to us.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: A lot of times, I think it really depends entirely
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: on who the individuals are, because sometimes one person is
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: just not keeping up their end of the deal. They
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: just fall off. Maybe they get into drugs, they they
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: become addicted. They maybe they lose their job and they
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: don't want to get it back and they just start
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: drinking every day. And like sometimes a man or a
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: woman has to make a choice andage.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Good divorces too, that's good for the both.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: There's some people that don't want to change and they
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: will drag you down. And there's some people when you
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: met them, they had hope, and then eventually that hope
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: just fucking leeches out of them and they're not fun
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: to be around anymore. And you try, and you try,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: and you try to encourage them. You try to give
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: them suggestions and they don't follow through, and at at
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: a certain point in time, you can't save a drowning
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: man because you're gonna fucking drown too, And you got
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: to just move on with your life. And I get it.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: I get when wives leave like that, I get when
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: husbands leave like that. But a lot of people just
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: marry people because they're hot. You know, they marry people
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: because they're sexy, they like having sex with them, you know,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: they think they're attractive. And then you're with some fucking
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: crazy person and you're trying to make life work with
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: a crazy person, and now you have kids, and now
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: you're trying to make life with kids with this fucking
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: crazy person that you really shouldn't have married in the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: first place. You didn't have anything in common with them
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: other than you like their body and you liked how
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: sexy they are. That's the trap, Like you gotta it's
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: a you have to like genuinely love someone, like love
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: their personality, love being around, love their kindness, and then
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: you have to be someone that other people would love.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of people want this perfect person in a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: life and they're a mess.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's a lot I've seen that go down to.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of reasons why marriages don't work out,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: and one of them is like over time, when two
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: boats are traveling together, of one of them, just like
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: this is an Anthony Robbins thing about life, an analogy
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: about life, but it actually works with marriages too, because
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: all you need is like a subtle turn in one direction,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: and over time you're further and further apart. Where like
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: we don't have the same philosophy anymore, we don't have
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: the same belief system, we don't have the same ethics
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: or morals, or you know, maybe your husband has got
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: a job that you're like, you shouldn't be fucking doing this.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: This is bad for society. Like your job overall is awful.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: You're maybe you're denying people health care claims, you know,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: for insurance companies. Maybe that's your thing, and like and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: you're like, you're we have to live with a site
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: take weight of Like yeah, we're eating Ribbi's and we
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: have a nice house, but like how did we get
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: this money? Like and maybe the wife is like, I
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: don't want to do this anymore. I want to be
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: connected to you. That's that's understandable too. It's like not
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: all marriages are supposed to work out.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think it makes it divorce
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: right now? Yes, what if that was forty five?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: Well, Chris Rock had a great joke about that. He goes,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: that's just the cowards that stay. It's like, how many.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: Of them wish they were divorced. It's a really good point,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: really good point, because how fay cowards paying the pennance?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: Oh bad? I mean we all have friends like that.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: We're like, bro, get out and they don't. And then
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: but then we also have people that have great marriages.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: And when you meet people that have great marriages, it's like, oh,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: that's possible. You know, that's possible.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: Well, the sanctity of it, if it had more reverenge
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: going in to you're not getting she's hot.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: We love, we love. It's a cultural milestone too. It's
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: like a thing you're doing it because it's like everybody
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: does that. Every woman wants to be married, every you
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: want to have a family, every man wants to you know, like,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: this is my wife. And and so you think that
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of people live life like they're in a
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: goddamn romantic comedy. They think they're in a movie. You know,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: they think they're and they don't. They don't. It's like
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: that there's something about media, something about songs and movies.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: It gives us this like bizarre framework for what a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: relationship or what life is supposed to be like, or
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: what your life is supposed to be like, and it's
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: not real and where your life doesn't measure up to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: this movie, just like your life is not going to
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: measure up to your Instagram feed. You get kind of
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: kind of depressed, Like this said.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Why why are we in Gabston for our honeymoon? When
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: she's on a yacht, she's you know what I mean
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: exactly comparison thing comes.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: Well, that's also why people put everything on the gram too.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: They put everything they do. Look at me here having
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: so much fun. Look at me smiling, having a great time.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: Man, Well, you paint yourself in a corner. LEVI get
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: on Gram when he turned fifteen, and he I don't
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: know if you'll stay on it, but that was one
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: of the things we were talking. I was like, dude,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: you know he's surfing at the time. I was like,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: don't just put all your all your best waves on there,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: because you're gonna paint yourself on a corner when you
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: go to the break and you guys like, oh, we've
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: seen it, I better put some wipeouts on there too,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: just so you can go and not have that pressure
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: because you're gonna paint yourself in a corner. Life looks
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: too good. Yeah, you know what I mean, And you're
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: gonna go out and you got I gotta live up
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: to this. It's that thing that happens in those relationships
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: when you hold the other one. If if if I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: make my wife superwoman and she thinks I'm superman, neither
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: one of us can live up to that, right, And
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: so we're gonna come in under the r expected bar,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: and there becomes the recipe for You're not who I
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: thought you were because we had an unfair expectation right
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: going in.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that definitely happens too. Also, familiarity
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: breeds contempt. People just get tired of be in the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: same space with the same person over and over. I'm like, stop,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: leave me alone, get away. I feel gets sick of people.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: But it's also like who did you pick? Who'd you pick?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: And why'd they pick you? Are you someone that you
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: would pick if you were a woman, you know, would
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: you want you as a husband, Would you want you
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: as a friend? Would you know? And if not, maybe
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: you should maybe should become someone someone would like to
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: be friends with. Maybe should become someone someone would like
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: to be a husband I'd like to have as a husband.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: Sit in that passenger seat you're talking about yourself.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why a good psychedelic experience every now and
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: then knocks the dust off and gives you a little
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: reset and lets you look at yourself and go okay, all.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: Right, tell me explain to me what that. What that does?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: It unpacks some some some somewhat some some sort of
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: neural cables that have gotten kind of solidified that may work. Sure,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: they become doctrinaire.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of that in that, for sure. And
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: I think that's also a dissolving of the ego. That's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: a big part of it. One of the things that
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: most psychedelic drugs have in common is they dissolve the ego,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: like completely dissolve the ego at least for a brief
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: amount of time. And during that brief amount of time
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: you have a much more objective understanding of That's why
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: there's so many people who take mushrooms and then completely
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: quit smoking cigarettes or completely quit taking pills. They just go,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: oh my God, like what was I doing? Like why
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: was I doing that? Like you just you need to
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: get outside of yourself. And I think that that was
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: a natural part of human civilization for thousands and thousands
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: of years. People did it in ritualistic settings in ancient
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: Ulysses in Greece. The Elucinian Mysteries was all about that
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: and eleusis when they would they would all get together.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: They would take this to get There's a fantastic book
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: on it called The Immortality Key that a guy who's
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: been a guest on my podcast a bunch of times,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Brian Murr Rescue, wrote, But it's all about these are
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: the people that figured out democracy. This is like in
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: ancient Greece, and they all did it from having these
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: psychedelic trips. They would all go and have this trek
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: to have this visionary experience, and they'd come back with
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: new insight and ideas and it dissolving in the ego.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, they literally came to the idea like, hey,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: maybe we should let everybody have a say in how
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: things run and vote. Like they invented democracy, which is
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: crazy and they did it because probably because of psychedelic drugs.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: Like they found these clay pots that these people used
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: to keep their wine in, and their wine was all
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: like mixed up with psychedelics. It wasn't regular wine like
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: we think of wine as being an alcoholic beverage. No,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: was wine with ergot in it. So there was like
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: an LSD Lix substance and a bunch of other stuff.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: Here was seen the Dumbo, the animated Yeah, sure, okay,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: I just noticed it because I noticed it, just saw
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: it for the seen it before, recently saw it three
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: years ago. So Dumbo after the circus goes over, puts
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: his snout down and drinks the runoff from the bar
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: and the party. Okay, stars start to think. The next
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: thing next edit is he's in the top of a tree.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: He can fly. That was more than alcohol. The cut
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: is directly to him on the top of a tree.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious. God, I haven't seen Dumbo since my kids
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: are like one.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: If you see it, if you see it again, I
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: need to catch it.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen it for I'm God, I don't even know.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: If the crows they're talking about him about how he
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: got up here and what are you doing up here?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: You should have seen yourself last night, talk about it.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: I don't remember, but I was there. Dumbo didn't remember
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: none of it, man, But he's ended up on the top.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: I remember when they were real little Pinocchio and how
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: creepy it was. I was like, oh my god, Pinocchio
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: is creepy. When they when the the the boys got
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: kidnapped and they turned him into donkeys. Yeah remember that part? Yes,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: that was Pinocchio. Right, here's the part.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: He has a five minute trip in Dumbo.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Let's see.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a whole scene the pink elephants.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: Oh whoa. After he drank that, he drank, he's on
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: tripping and the last we saw was he just drinks
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: on that like.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: Wow, pyramids it ends here, Oh wow? And so I'm
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: coming back to earth.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: Oh wait, no, he's on He's not back to Earth.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. I would have never guessed. I would have
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: never guessed that's a part. But that's actually a part
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: of one of the rides at Disneyland. Is that is
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: there a Dumbo ride at Disneyland that looks psychedelic? Yes,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: that's right. No, it's Winnie the Pooh There's a Winnie
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: the Pooh ride at Disneyland that I used to take
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: with my kids. And you go through the ride, it's
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: like a real simple rid. It's not like scary at all.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: It's like good for like little kids. And you get
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: to this one point, I'm like, what are they trying
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: to say here? Like this is crazy? Like Tigger comes
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: out and Tigger is like this psychedelic being and everything
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: is like now in black light. Yeah, so Tigger comes
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: out and tiggers like a freak, Like why is this
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: guy bouncing around on his tail? And then it gets
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: to a certain part get a little forward here where
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: it gets super fucking weird, like right here, like what
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: the hell has happened? It's all about honey. Like things
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: are like this is like fractal, this is like a
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: DMT world. This is really weird, Like what does this
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: have to do with Winnie the Pooh? What the fuck happened?
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: It's really weird. It's like what are they trying to
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: say here?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't see anything about honey.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something about the honey. It's like something about well,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: you know, there's some stuff called mad honey, and this
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: mad honey. We actually ate it on the podcast once
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: some guy brought it. But it's a honey that these
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: I think it's in the Himalayas. That's where it is,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: right where these guys have to climb up the side
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: of a cliff to get this stuff. And these bees
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: are all taking pollen from is it the lotus flower?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: What is the psychedelic plant? So these these bees are
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: taking pollen from this psychedelic plant and they're making a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: psychedelic honey. This is so bad. Honey is a honey
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: that contains boys, say that word gray toxins. The dark
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: reddish honey is produced from the nectar and pollen of
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: the genus Rotodaredron. How do you say that? Roto rhododendron.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: It has moderately toxic and narcotic effects, produced principally in
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: Nepal and Turkey where he's uses both a traditional medicine
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: and a recreational drug. But see showing how they get it,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: because these guys look at that they have to climb
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: on the side of a fucking cliff to get this stuff,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: and people get it just a trip out. Wow, you
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: tried that hard to get honey? Then you make like
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: a rope ladder and you cover yourself in a beekeeper's
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: outfit and they're they're all like these these hives are
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: all connected to the side of a cliff. It's really crazy.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: It's cool.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a very bizarre effect to the honeyts somewhere. Yeah.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: So during the three hours after having well.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: I was it was in the middle of the podcast.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: I took it at the beginning of the podcast. I
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: just took a big I go, how much is a
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: large dose? And he's like, you take like a half
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: a teaspoon, fuck it. And I just took a whole
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: big teaspoon of it. And I was like, whoa, this
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: is interesting.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: How soon did you get interesting?
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: Twenty minutes? Yea, yeah, about twenty minutes and I'm like,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: whoh okay, this is a new one. I was like,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: this is crazy, this is honey put this in your tee, Like,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: what's going on in the pall. I don't think it's
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: a normal use thing. I think it's an occasional use thing.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: Well maybe not a full tablespoon.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: It didn't It wasn't that bad. It wasn't like I
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: was out of my head and didn't know what to do.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: It was completely functional, but it was like bizarre that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: this isn't honey.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: So these these psychedelic trips when you lose the ego
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: and you unlock some of the you know.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: Just like you got a vacation to reset your life,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: sometimes you need a vacation to reset your brain.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: Do they help you have more energy because you're hanging
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: on to old shore ideas a little bit less and
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: you have more of an open beginner's mind and the
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: day unravels with that with less certain concrete expectations or
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: yeah this is how that should go.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Or very insightful. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, definitely, that's part
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: of it. Like the less you hang onto in your head,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: the more energy you have for other stuff. Yeah. Like
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: I always tell people, like especially young comics like that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: are like getting on social media and arguing with people
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: and stuff. I'm like, look, man, think of your time
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: in your day as a numerical unit, Like you have
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: one hundred units of time, one hundred units of energy.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: If you're putting thirty of those units on some bullshit online,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: you're robbing yourself of that time that you could be
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: putting into things you love, your friendship, your comedy act,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: your life, you don't need to do that, Like it's
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: a trap, Like you get sucked into thinking you need
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: to do that, and all it does is it just
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: robs you of your energy. The less you're attached to
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: like old beefs and squat fuck that guy, although those
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: kind of things, the less you're attached to that stuff,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: the freer you are, the more energy you have. It's
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: good for you. It's again, it's a selfish, interesting to do,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: selfish to be kind yep, yeah, amen on that. Yeah,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: And I think if if those things were legal and
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: more people could experience them in a controlled setting with
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: people who know how to administer them and know the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: right dose and and know, you know, hey, what are
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: you on a medication? Well, if you're on a certain medication,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: definitely don't be taking this stuff because with your medications,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: at moa inhibitter, and this is you know, this could
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: really fuck you up. But you know, it doesn't even
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: have to be that, man, It could be a fucking
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: good yoga class, right. It could be holotropic breathing. You
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: could just sit and breathe deeply in through your nose
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: and out through your mouth with intention, and you'll have
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: a psychedelic experience you'll get a relief from.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: I just got one the other day from acupuncture. Did
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: not expect it at all. And I mean I came
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: out going, oh my gosh. I just felt like I'd
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: be hibernated for a fourteen hours an app and woke
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: up clean as whistle.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: I've only done acupuncture one time, and the dude was
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: a total kook. He was so kooky that I just
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: I didn't didn't get it was too weird. The guy
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: was so weird. He was really good at acupuncture, but
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: he was just like it was a really weird guy
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: in l A. And he'd have these conversations with you.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: He's asking a bunch of questions and I was like, okay,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: I gotta go.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: That's the that's the that's the masseuse that when he
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: lay down, there goes that's what's your horse cope? And
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh shit, oh no, the go And I
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: got any injuries and I'm like, yeah, this left shoulder,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: that mmm, left side.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: Of your body.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: That means you need to get in test Like no, no, no, no,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: I actually got hit by a car. I only don't
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: go psychological imbi just yet. Man, Come on and go
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: horsecope out of the gate. If we were to add
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: that on for some color commentary afterwards, I'm okay with it,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: but let's not come out of the gate saying this
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: is the reason.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: I actually just reached out to my book and got
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: to try to get a real astrologer on, someone who
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: really understands the ancient art of astrology, the real old stuff,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: because I'm not completely discounting it. I think newspaper horoscope
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: is nonsense. I think there's a lot of people that
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: are just like reading your tarot cards that are just
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: ripping you off. But I always wonder at the astrology
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: is so specific, like why did they write that down?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: Why did they have this understanding of how the stars
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: are aligned at the time of your birth?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: Pre mathematics?
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where part of the Earth you're at? Yeah, I see.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's pre mathematics. I think
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: it's pre our current understanding of when mathematics evolved and emerged.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's real. I think they had mathematics
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: long before that. I think civilization was wiped out and
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: had to restart over again, and there's a lot of
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: evidence to that. There's a lot of evidence that like
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: society has had some major cosmic event, most likely asteroid
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: impact impact, and there's a whole theory behind it, the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: Younger Driest impact theory from eleven eight hundred years ago.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: They think we got hit and it's there's a comet
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: storm that we go through every September. Was it November
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: and June? Is that what it is? Something like that,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: like June and November, and occasionally we get hit. And
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: you know, there's like nine hundred thousand near Earth objects
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't take a really big one to fuck
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: up everything. It doesn't take one that's going to kill
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: everybody to fuck up anything. It just takes one the
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: size of a block, like one city block, comes slamming
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: into the ice caps, and then you just got chaos
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: and everything goes away and all all like modern conveniences
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: and all organized societies thrown into chaos and then people
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: have to rebuild. And I think that's happened a bunch
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: of times in human history. And this is real physical
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: evidence to this Younger Driest impact theory, which also coincides
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: with the ending of the Ice Age. It's all around
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: the same time, and they think it was like a
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: series of events. They think we were hit more than once.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: They think they were hit around eleven eight hundred years ago.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: But then again something we're around ten thousand years ago,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: so it's probably when we see society emerging in like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: Mesopotamia and Sumer, which is like around five thousand plus
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: six thousand years ago. I think that's just the newest
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: version of it. I think they probably had mathematics long
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: before that. They probably were doing shit. Whoever built the pyramids, Like,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: you can't tell me they didn't have some sort of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: complex geometry in mathematics. There's no way they didn't. The
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: things are pointed to true north, south, east, and west,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: like that's five thousand years ago.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: Carl Sagan, I got to sit with him for a
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: few hours before we made this film called Contact that.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: Skin loved it, you do one of my favorite movies.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: I love that movie. Oh and I love Carl Sagan.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah he wrote the book. Yeah yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: I got to talk to him and listen to him
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: actually for a few hours. Anyway. I got to know
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: his wife, and his wife's really cool. But her her hello,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: her greeting is always hey, what's your coordinate? WHOA, what's
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: your coordinate?
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: What's your coordinate. Boys, she's out there.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: But I mean that was similar of the R southeast.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: Which where are we coordinated? Where's the Earth coordinated in
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: the galaxy, in the universe, in the hands of time?
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: What has happened? What's our coordinate? It's a it is
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: kind of an out there, but it's a it's a
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: it's a pretty cool objective a way to go. Let
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: me think about that. It reminds me of you. Like
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: you ever meet Bush forty one?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: No, Hi, President Bush?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: How you doing today? He's holding your hand by today
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: point two? Today, Matthew eight point two to the tenth
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: he would give you an answer out of ten to
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: the tenth of val he was doing.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: Hmmm.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty interesting because everybody goes, oh,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: I'm good man, great, great, great?
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: Are you that that's some CIA ships?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: He was adding it up to the tent. What your coordinated?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: About an eight point two?
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: He had numbers in his head. Yeah, you know. Herbert
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: Walker was the guy that how put off UH and
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: a bunch of these scientists. He brought them together and said,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: we have recovered crashed UFO more than one occasion, and
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: we have a back engineering program and we're considering disclosure
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: to the American people. I want you to list the positives,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: the positive impact of society and the negatives. Yeah, and
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: they did it with quite a few different scientists and
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: they all had more negatives than positive too.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: If they came out with this information to share this information,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: that would be the effect on society. Yes, more negatives than.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: More negatives than positive because disruption of religion, government, economy, well,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't depends on your religion, you know,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: it depends on where these things are from and what
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: what is happening?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: What do we ibe Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, and a wheel within a wheel. Yeah, these
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: eco stuff sounds like a UFO encounter. And it's not
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: the only version of that in ancient texts. In the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: in the ancient Hindu texts, they have vimanas, these things
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: that are flying through the sky, like what is what
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: are those things? You know? In the like Veda, in
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: the even in the bagavad Gida, there's there's all these
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: depictions of these things that sound like you're talking about
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: a spaceship or at the very least some kind of technology,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: Like what this thing about the nephilim, like that the
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: gods mated with women and created men who are monstrous. Boy,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't that sound like aliens came down in genetically manipulated
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: primates and created human beings. That's a version of it
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: that you could imply from the text. It's all really
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: weird stuff, man, like really weird. If you if you
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: found out that that was all true, it would probably
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: change everything about society. And this is what Herbert Walker
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: and those guys decided after So how put Off was
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: explaining it to me on the podcast, like how they
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: put a numerical value to each thing. I'm like, like
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: we were that close, Like, imagine if that happens. This
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: is nineteen ninety right.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: Now, correct me if I'm wrong. But these kind of
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: really weird things, as you put them, they excite you
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: more than they give you fear.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: That be fair.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when you seem excited, you get excited
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: about different possibilities. Yes, I mean, you know, I have
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: people go oh man, No, Ruglan loves the conspiracy theories,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: like I don't seem like in the conspiracy theories, I
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: see him always being interested in an alternate way something
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: went down and being interested and excited about that, but
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: not going no no, no, no, no no, never disengaging from
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: it and going no no no, because I believe how
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: it was and what I read, and that's how it
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: is that you're not that's not where you're moving from.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: No, it's never a denial of information and facts. And
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: it's also a recognition that oftentimes a large swath of
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: society just goes with a narrative without having any real
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: understanding of what the actual facts behind it are. And
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: then there's that term, this pejorative term conspiracy theory. The
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: problem with that, calling someone a conspiracy theorist is conspiracies
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: are real, Like there's a lot of evidence and if
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: you want to sit down, I could fucking show you
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: a ton of them. And so anybody who says like, oh,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: you're a conspiracy theorist, I'm like, okay, let's talk about conspiracies, Like,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: do you think that any of them exist? Do you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: think that people conspire? Is it? Like it's a natural
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: part of human behavior that's been documented throughout history, even governments.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: I mean literally literally, the thing that got us into
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: the Vietnam War was a conspiracy, was fake the Gulf
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: of Tonkin. It was a false flag operation, that it
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: never took place at all. They lied to the American people.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: That's a conspiracy, Like that's just one conspiracy that turns
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: out to be true. There's a lot of them. The
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: problem is people don't want to look like a conspiracy theorist.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: They've done such a good job of making it a
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: goofy term that you don't ever want to attach to you.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: It can cause damage to your reputation. If you're in
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: a job where people have to take you seriously. Fortunately
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not, but if you're in a job where people
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: have to take you seriously, you don't want to say
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: anything weird, like hey, I think aliens are real. People
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: think you're a kook, and then they discount your opinion
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: on everything.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but if you just know the actual facts, like
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 9: people that don't think there's anything that aliens are real,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 9: there's no way we're alone.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: There's we've never been contacted. Why not? Gary Nolan, the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: guy who was on here yesterday, I was talking about
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: cancer research. He was also telling us about a piece
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: of wreckage they found from a craft for is it
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty that they found it? The first one that
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: Silica won, So they have direct chain of possession of
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: this evidence from I believe it was nineteen fifty and
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: it was almost pure silica, and the magnesium ratios were
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: so off that he said that this magnesium had to
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: have been it had to have been sourced from a
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: place that experienced a neutron bomb every two minutes for
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: nine hundred years. That's how off the isotopes were to
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: magnesium that we find here on Earth. He's like, I'm
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: not saying it's impossible for someone to ever do that,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: but I'm saying this is from nineteen fifty. Like, this
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: is a real piece of what they're saying is a
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: wreckage of a craft and it has a material position
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: that is impossible for a normal person to create in
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty, So what the fuck is this? And you
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: to say that to people and they're like, oh, so,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: Gary Nolan, who's a professor at Stanford, he's a professor
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: in the in the what is his forensics? Is that
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: what his he does cancer research? But what is his
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: actual title? Stanford School of Medicine professor. Anyway, rock solid
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: credentials published and people brought him this material and they said,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: would you analyze this because you know all these different
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: scientists and now chaired Department of Pathology, Stanford School of Medicine.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: So when a guy like that is saying, no, there's
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can't make. Here,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: they found a type of alloy that doesn't exist on
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: Earth and it has on an atomic level, layers upon
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: layers of whatever this alloy is, He's like, this costs
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: billions of dollars to create, and they found it in
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy. Like, in nineteen seventy no one had this.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: It's not possible to make. Like, maybe you can make
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: it today, but we don't have the equipment to make
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: it today. You could conceive how someone with enough resources
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: could have that money today to do something like that,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: but it would be an enormous undertaking. Yeah, and this
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: is a piece of craft that someone found from nineteen
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: seventy six. So when a guy like that is telling
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: you like, I'm not saying what it is, I'm not
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: saying where it's from, but I'm saying this is fucking crazy.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: It doesn't add up to us. He could practically do.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: So when someone says conspiracies like yeah, yeah, I believe
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: in conspiracies because they're real, right, and because I don't
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: have to worry about being ticket seriously, and most people do.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: Most people don't want to be a fool. You don't
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: want to be a silly person. You know, you don't
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: want to be mocked when people aren't around you, like
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: you know, fucking Bob believes that JF a assassination.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you say, because you don't have to be taken seriously,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: She said, exactly, because wait, because you're saying your your
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: theories on things are solid, or because you in your
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: position are Hey, I don't have to be taken.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: My job does not rely on me being taken seriously.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: What do you say to them? It's like, because you
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: get you get attacked for like, hey man, you had
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 4: so and so on here and and and and and
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: and and and and you playcated them, and you know
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: and and we do take you serious because so many
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: people listen, because I always, I always hear, and i'm
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: and I always find that I think there's a hole
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: in those attacks on on you. You have a massive
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: audience listening. Does that mean inherently, not necessarily, is what
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: I hear you're saying that? Oh, everything I say should
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: be taken seriously because that information is going wide. So
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: people's argument is going, Joe, you have a massive audience,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: so that's your responsibility to make sure bla blah blah
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: they go down that rabbit hole.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: My responsibility is only just to be me. I don't
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: have a responsibility to do anything else. I definitely have
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: a responsibility not lie to people, and I definitely have
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: a responsibility to not willingly allow someone else to lie
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: without at least questioning that right if I know that
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: they're lying. But other than that, my responsibility is just
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: to keep doing what I've done. And that's why I
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: have a big audience. It's not because it's not because
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: of any other reason. So I'm not going to do
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: anything any differently.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: No, I see that, I applaud it.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think you have to. I don't think it's good.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's smart. I don't think you'd be
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: paying too much attention to what other people's opinions of
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: what you should or shouldn't be doing are. As long
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: as you have a good internal compass, as long as
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: you have a good true north, and you know, and
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: my true north is, how do I feel about it? Like,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: what do I feel like I'm a good person for
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: doing this? Do I feel like that was a beneficial
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: thing for them and for me. I'm happy, they're happy,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: We're all good. And that's what I want. I just want.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: I want to hug in a handshake, thank you, that
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: was awesome, good times, and I want to hear from
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: them like this has been amazing for me. That's that
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: makes me excited, that's all.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: That's all I like, that's that's cool. You gotta you
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: gotta make it sound so simple, but as you probably
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: know from a lot of people in your position, it
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: ate that simple.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: It's it, but it is if you follow the right path. Yep,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: it's not that hard like people say it's hard. I'm like,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: you know, you work so hard, Like look at us
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: right now. This is me working. This is not that hard.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: This ain't I've had jobs. This is I've done construction
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: of the like horrible jobs that suck. This is not
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: a job. This is just a fun pursuit. So you
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: have a responsibility to the people that listen. And I
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: think the people that listen expect me to be me.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: And that's all you can do. And as soon as
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: you start changing they fucking know before you know, like
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: they'll they'll like, oh you fucking change, And people will
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: always accuse you of change even if you haven't. But
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: I think I've evolved. I've most certainly evolved. I've tempered
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: the way I view life. I'm more I'm definitely kinder
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: and more patient. But I'm the same person, same person,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: like the same goals, just curious. I'm interested, like talk
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: to people, and I want everybody to do well. I
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: really genuinely do well.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: That's a that's not that's not an overly common trait.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: It should be.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: I think it should be too hard.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: I think the way you described it is great actually
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: is selfish. And I say that all the time. It
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: really is selfish a kind person.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: If I'm on a crusade to change the understanding of
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: that word, because I think we sell ourselves short and
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: with there is a way where what is best for
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: us is actually best for those amount of people and
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: vice versa.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, it's.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it is all got
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: to be very personal and then to have some dignity
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: in it. It's the difference between choice and a mandate. No,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: you got a choice, but make the fucking right. Choice,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: measure the choice you got. You got power when you
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 4: make the choice and you deal with the consequences. I
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: love to go bogie there McConaughey, and I can look
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 4: in the mirror and go, that's on you. Yeah, I
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: can make a good decisions. Something works out. I can
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: look at the mirror and go, good man, we hit
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: that one on the screw.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 3: I like, I honestly like fucking up sometimes because then
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: it makes me really reset and go, oh boy, get
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: it back together.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: Let's last big fuck up you had.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: I already have a weird podcast like that one sucked,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: Like maybe I was worked out too hard for I
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: got here. That's not good like that, that's a bad
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: one that I do sometimes, Like.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: I'll come in charging and getting over getting ahead.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: No, like I'm worn out, and then my brain's not
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: firing on all. So like if I do legs like
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: I do a leg day, Yeah, I do a lot
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: of squats, I come into my brain, it's just like
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: wiped out. You know, that's not good. I've done that,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, but it's just when you're not
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: on point. Okay, what did I do wrong? Why I
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: didn't get enough sleep. You know, maybe I didn't take
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: my noo tropics, whatever it was. It's like, maybe I
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: didn't do enough research on the subject. Whatever it is. Like,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: let's get it back together. Pull that fucking shit back around.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 4: See that self regulation. Yeah, you're self regulating because ah,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 4: I could have done better. I missed my mark. Oh god,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 4: I don't like it when I do that. I'm a
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 4: litt embarrassed when I do that. Damn.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't get.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't leave that situation better than I
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: found it. I didn't come forward. I didn't prepare enough
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: for whatever that might be.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 4: More that across the board.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: It's good for everybody. A man, it's you gotta be
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: your own general. You're gotta be your own like you're like,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: wake up soldier. Yeah, you know. I always talk about
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: the cold plunge because it is the that is the luntile.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: People say, oh, how do you do it? Every day?
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: Listen to me very carefully. I almost don't. Every day.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: Every day. I get that close to bitching out every
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: single day. I am amazed how weak I am. I'm
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: amazed every time I go to lift that fucking lit
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: off that thing, I'm like, oh my god, I don't
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: doing it. And then when I get in, I'm like,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: maybe I only do a minute today. Maybe I'll get
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: out right now. Don't you want to get out right now?
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: I shut the fuck up. I get to let the
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: general talk, and the General's like, shut the fuck up, soldier.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: He will stay in that water. I'm like that dude
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: from a full metal jacket outstanding this.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, regulation man, Yeah, but.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: Every day I almost don't. David Goggins told me that too,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: Who's like the most mentally strong human being I've ever met,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: and maybe the most mentally strong human beings that's ever
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: walked to face the planet. And he said, he.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Goes even though I run every day. Sometimes I look
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: at my sneakers. I stare at those motherfuckers for half
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: an hour before I put them on, just thinking to him.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's out there running like marathons literally every day.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: And he was just like, I don't want to do this.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do it. I don't want to
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: do this. Yes, he does it. That's the thing. It's
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: like people want to think that people that are mentally
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: strong don't struggle, No, you just you do struggle. You
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: always struggle. Yeah, but you win every time, right, you
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: you make sure that you win every time, and you
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: can win every time. But you gotta develop that ability
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: to make yourself do the things you don't necessarily want
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: to do but you know you should.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: It's a little bit of that. I don't know if
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: you ever saw that Djokovic interview on sixty minutes No
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 4: D and six minutes interview I forget his name, was
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: going like, look, so you know your mental capacity is
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: why you're so good, and my hunt is that Novak
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: it's because you have less negative thoughts. And Jokovic interrupts him, Ah,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 4: you might wanna pull this one up.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: This is good.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 4: His answer is great. He goes, no, no, no, I
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: have as many or more negative thoughts. I just get
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: past them quicker than others.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: Mm.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so he's not NYE thoughts. He'sa let him
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: come and then bam, all of the way, I got
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: it on to the next.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He has control. Yeah, yeah, he has control of
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: those thoughts. They come in and he swats them down. Yeah,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: you'll have to have some negative thoughts if you're going
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: to be an elite athlete because you have to be
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: your own worst critic. You can't be satisfied with anything.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: If you want to reach the very tip of the top.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: Every movement must be more precise and more explosive and
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: better every time you do it. And you have to
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: do all the training and you leave no stone unturned.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: And if you don't do that, you're never going to
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: reach the level that he's at in anything.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you bet this. I got a poem
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: on it, but it me just try and remember what
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: it was about. It's a success in say mma, for instance,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: what's a better resume for a great performance or victory?
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: Suffering to succeed or revenge?
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, suffering to succeed?
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, why?
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: The emotions that come with revenge crippling And sometimes they
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: can keep you up at night and they'll they'll fuck
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: with your sleep, and then the consequences of you losing
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: are far greater because you genuinely hate this person. There's
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: a you know, some people thrive under those conditions oddly,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: but I would think most of the time, most of
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: the time, trying to just achieve the highest version of
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: yourself is the most aspirational and I think the best
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: of the best do that, the very best, the George
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: Saint Pierre's of the world, they do that.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: They're playing against themselves.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: They're playing against themselves. Yeah, they're trying to be the
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: very best version of themselves that they can be. And
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: if they do that right and leave no stun on turn,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: they can achieve greatness. But it's not going to be easy.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: It's going to be they go through hell. I mean,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: to become an elite fighter is one of the most
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: physically difficult things and then psychologically difficult things that a
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: human being can ever undertake outside of war and maybe
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: law enforcement, you know, other than that, you're dealing with
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: physical struggle the likes of most people will never experience
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: in their life. You're literally hurling bones in the direction
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: of a trained assassin, and the two of you are
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: going to do it publicly and your underwear in front
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: of the whole world, barefoot, with these little tiny pads
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: on your knuckles and a cup over your dick, and
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: you're just gonna go out there and kick each other
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: and strangle each other. It's crazy. It's a crazy sport.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: And so there's this balance of the mind and the
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: body and the intention, and how you allocate your resources
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: in time, and how you manage stress, and how you
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: deal with the pressures of trying to succeed and the
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: doubts and the fears.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: In the suffering to succeed. Yeah, it is fair to say.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: I think it is that, like the people that you know,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: like the seeing beyond the immediate, meaning right, we choke
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: at the goal line when we look up and get
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 4: objective and go, oh shit, fourth and one, this it
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: could be the game winner. All I got to give
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: his one yard, whereas no, I run, I will run through,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 4: I will use my ability, I will cross that. Bo
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: Jackson when he scored, he go through the end zone,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: down the fucking tunnel. The best snipers don't aim at
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 4: the target. They aim on the other side of it.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 4: Getting through COVID. Part of what I know helped me
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 4: was going, oh, it's gonna be like this for ten years,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 4: gang family, buckle up, yeah nice. Ten years. It was sure,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, we were preparing for a much longer journey,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 4: going to work out. This is gonna be hell.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: Get ready for it, dude.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden you're like, all right,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: that's it. Wait, I'm done. Projecting past the goal cellularly,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: I think wakes up something in us on survival level
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 4: that we don't choke, we don't get fatigued as quickly,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 4: We don't want to quit sooner because we have in
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: our mind. No, it's the end is not right around
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 4: the corner right, and it's it's a bit of a
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: mental trick. But I think that it has something to
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 4: do with that, that that what what champions do they
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: see beyond they're playing arch Manning right now, There's never
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 4: been more hype on a quarter college quarterback ever. I
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 4: believe that guy is wired and that family bloodline is
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: even wired, that they're beyond this hype, this hype. This
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: is mortal right, this is mortal ship.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: Guys. Great, it's about the process winning game.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: If you t goes and wins the championships, their preseason
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: ranked number one, never been ranked number one before. I
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: believe that this team is like, oh well, thank you
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: for the compliment, but we're on our own mission that
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: being preseason ranked number one, or being on the cover
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: of freaking sports field strate is neither curse nor validation.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: It's just noise out there. And if we do it
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: and you go we told you you'd be number one.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: Well ad you go, oh, well, thank you, but that's it.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not. They don't need a pep rally to go.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: The rest of the world thinks you can win this too, right, well, good,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 4: good for them. We're not playing for them. We're doing
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 4: our thing. I have a mission here. I believe in
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 4: the path that I'm on, and I'm going beyond this
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 4: hype or I'm going beyond this game. I'm playing for
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 4: a whole I'm prepared mentally and spiritually for an entire
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: season of hell. I'm prepared to fight this assassin on
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: the other side of me, that is wants to defend
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: and do to me what I want to do to them.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 4: Making the the resistance or the adversary seem bigger and
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 4: longer and going to be more tumultuous seems to be
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 4: a good way to succeed going beyond. And all of
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: a sudden, you look up. I get this from when
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 4: I've done my best acting. I didn't know it was
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: the last day when they yield cut at the end
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: of the last scene of the last day of shooting.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 4: I was walking off from art see you tomorrow, and
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: they're like, no, no, there is no tomorrow.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: You were just in the line.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: That's it. We wrapped.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, Oh hey, Joe, how you doing for the
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: first time because you were just locked in boom best
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 4: rounds of golf. I walked off the eighteenth green and
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: was heading to the next tea box to look up
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: and realize, I know that's it.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: You played eight.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, what I shoot seventy four? Huh? I didn't
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 4: look at my scorecard on sixteen and go, if I
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: can just keep it in the fairway, slash three holes,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: maybe get in with the pards, don't bogeat. It didn't anticipate,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 4: so I didn't get my room. I behaved and went
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: through the finish line. Yeah, that's something in there is
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: in suffering to succeed rather than fighting for revenge seeing
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: on the other side of the target.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you follow what I'm Yeah. It's also like concentrating
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: on what you're trying to do versus the impact of
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: what it is, like if I miss this, oh my god,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: I'm fucking yeah. Right yeah, Instead of that, you're thinking
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: about I'm going to make this. This is how I
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: make this, This is how I do this.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: This is how I do this. This is how I behave.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: It's also in today's world, with all the stimulus we're
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: talking about in social media, et cetera, we're all sort
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 4: of living in the third person or being fed opportunities
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 4: to live in the third person all the time. It's
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: like we have a jumbo drawn and to use a
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 4: football analogy, you kick me the ball, I'm running the
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 4: kick off back and I'm going down the sideline and
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: I see the goal line. I think I'm going to score.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: And then I have a look at the jumbo trying
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: to see how I'm doing. That's what I'm getting tackled
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 4: from behind. If we step outside to have a look
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: at how we're doing.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: That passenger you open up talking about when you're hitting
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: it comedically is not hopping out over here to have
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: a look.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: And if you do, you'll get lost.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: You get lost. You get conscious of what you're behaving,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 4: what you know how to do, what's your fashion to do,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: and you're out of the moment and you become objective.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: You get someone do something where we know they're the
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: zone right, like where someone runs in for a layup,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: and it's like the most beautiful movements avoiding the defenders
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: up in the air, drops the ball and we're like, wow,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: when we see someone just hit the zone. We see
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: it in a fight, when we see someone just flow,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: We see someone flowing, like, wow, he's feeling it. You
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: know WHOA she's locked in. We love that because we
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: know that it's somewhere in ourselves and maybe at one
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: point in your life you experienced it. Might have been
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: playing mini golf or something like it. One point in
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: your life you're like, I think I felt a little
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: bit of that, right.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: How much do you think preparation has to do with
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: the freedom to adapt and flow once you're in the game.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: A lot, a lot, a lot, Yeah, almost everything. You
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: If you're not prepared, your ability to adjust is very limited.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: You have to be fully prepared and then let it flow.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: But you have to like really really have all your
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: basis covered to just like just so that you don't
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: have anxiety. I could have done more. Yeah, that is
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: a big issue with fighters. We see fighters towards the
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: end of their career. There's a thing that happens with
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: fighters realize they're probably never going to be champion and
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: they're just doing it for a paycheck and you know,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: you see sometimes they'll show up and they look a
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: little soft, and you like you see a little fear
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: in their eyes because they know they really are not focused,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: they're really not dialed in. But this is what they're
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: doing for a paycheck now, and it's not good, right
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: because the other guy on the other side of the
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: octagon is the opposite. That guy's dialed in. Yeah, maybe
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: he's only like twenty five and he's like coming into
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: his prime and you're a stepping stone for him.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 4: And it's like ooh, and the and and the problem.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 4: Fear that is what getting actually really injured. Sure more
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: so than if you were yourself.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: You'll definitely take shots you wouldn't take, and then you're
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: you don't have the endurance to keep up a pace
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: right because you look to to get to the shape
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: that you have to have to be in to be
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: able to compete in a five round MMA fight. It's
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: almost impossible to maintain. Like Chill Sun's talked about this extensively.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: It's like you can't keep it up. It's not like
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: a level of conditioning that you can keep up all
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: year round. You have to peek to it where you're
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: like your body's barely hanging on, and then you coast
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: the last week to allow yourself to like recover, and
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: you're just kind of going through movements the last few days,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: and then on Saturday under the bright lights, you are
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: at one hundred percent capacity. I mean, they've been monitoring
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: your fucking heart rate and checking your resting heart rate
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: and checking your blood your heart rate variability, and whether
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: your nutrient levels at you're fucking finely tuned for corn
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: and that Saturday night, and if you're not, if you
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: didn't cover any of those bases, you're gonna know the
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: back of your head, you're gonna know like, I'm gonna
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: give it my best, But boy, I don't have a
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: big gas tank and I could have trained harder.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 4: And I'm so damn excited about this. Seems like this
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 4: the blind spot that still is there to be taking
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: advantage of for preparing for peak performance. Daryl Royal, coach
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: of the University of Texas at won a couple of
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 4: national championships here at Texas, had always said, you've got
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: twelve games in the year you can expect for your
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: team to be at peak performance level two Saturdays out
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: of twelve. You want to make sure that those two
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 4: saturdays are against the toughest teams. You want to make
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: sure that the other ones where they're like, ah okay,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 4: they did well, but they didn't play to their pa performances,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: are against the good teams, and you want to do
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: your best to make sure that the days that they're off,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 4: you're playing the shitty teams that you can beat even
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 4: when you're not mainly there. That seems like so much
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 4: more opportunity for that number to rise today, to have
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 4: a much higher number that you can be ready for
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 4: peak performance. Who are the best preparers in I don't
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 4: know today in your mind.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: Well, when you get to a championship level, when you
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: get to like als Chandre Pantosio, or when you get
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: to you know, Islam Maka Cheff, when you get to
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: like that level, they're all you're a championship level, they're
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: all they all have impeccable preparation. They're all, yes, it's impeccable, impeccable, so.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: It's measured, it's time.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: This is yeah. They're all dialed in with diet, they're
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: dialed in with their weight, they're dialed in with strength
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: and conditioning. They're dialed in with their sparring. It's impeccable.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: You can't compete at a world class level today and
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: not have that. It's not possible.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: So physically, yeah, mentally, yeah, are these two different coaches?
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 4: Are these one?
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: Some people don't have mental coaches at all, Some elite
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: fighters have no mental coaches, but some of them do.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: Some of them, Like we had this guy Brandon Epstein
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: the other day that he works with quite a few
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: UFC fighters and he's got a very specific protocol that
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: he ma until he prepares them for and he coaches
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: them through things and and and sets up like a
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: way to visualize and see yourself performing and see yourself
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: doing things and how you how you view your performance like,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: and to get you into a mindset where once you
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: get into that octagon, you're locked into this pathway instead
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: of like straying and letting anxiety and fear overcrom you,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: which can happen to fighters. Yeah. But then there's other
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: guys that don't have any coaches for that at all.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 3: They just have the mindset already and they're comfortable with
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: what they have and they just stay disciplined and just
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: go in there. It's it's very personal because everybody's brain
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: is different, and everybody's they all have like different ways
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: of expressing themselves, different ways.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 4: How much is technology and diet and stuff helped a lot?
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot, a lot. Technology just understanding nutritional balances.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: Understanding like when you do a nutrient analysis or your
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: blood work, click, oh, you're deficient in niosin this is
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: your Probably you're wearing down. You don't have enough Beat
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: twelve in your system. Making sure you get the correct
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: amount of protein, Like, you can't. You can't miss any
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: of those things. If you want to achieve peak performance,
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: you have to have everything your hydration, your electrolytes, everything
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: has to be dialed in your sleep, which is one
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: of the biggest ones. Like this is like a lot
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: of these young guys. The problem is they still go
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: out and party. They're still hanging out with girls till
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: two o'clock in the morning, and then they're at training
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: at eight am. Like, you can't do that and be
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: a professional and expect to be world class or expect
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 3: to beat the guys who are just as good as you.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: But get that preparation, they're going to have an advantage.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know the argument of athletes. You know, well,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: who was better then or now? What would they have
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 4: done then or what would This is my my I
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: think that we've athletes have evolved in athletes we have
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 4: now are just better than athletes ever were.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they're.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: Bigger, the more powerful, they're more focused, they're more specific,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 4: that they're just better that if they played in that time,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 4: they would be that much better than even than they
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 4: are now. Yeah, seems to be. I think we're just
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 4: evolving that way.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: They also have the benefit of watching people do it
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: before them and do it really well, so they aspire
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 3: to that level and then to surpass that level. Whereas
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: those people were pioneers. Larry Bird didn't have a lot
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 3: of people to watch play basketball before Larry Bird. You know,
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: there was a few, but you know, black and white footage.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: It's not like you didn't see it every day. He
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: didn't have it on the internet. Now, kids, they could
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: just watch every Jordan highlight reel, every time Lebron James
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 3: has scored, every Steph Curry three pointer. They could watch
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: it anytime they want, and then that is a level
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: that they're aspiring to. Think of all the football games
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: that kids can watch now and analyze. Think of all
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: the fights that people coming up now that want to
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: be a martial artist they can watch, and so they
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: aspire to this level that has already been achieved by
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 3: the greatest of all time, and then they want to
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: surpass them, which is what human beings have always done
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: athletically all throughout time. Who've It's not like guys who
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: broke records in the nineteen thirties, We don't break those today,
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: Like those are not the same records, like those don't
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: hold up. We one hundred get better.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: From ninety years ago to today, there is no comparison.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 3: The athletes are far better, and they're going to continue
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 3: ninety years from now probably be if there's humans, they'll
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: probably be far better.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 4: Experiments that have happened in the NFL, you know, and
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 4: I think these, I think this is correct. But I
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: was always Washington. It was then the Redskins fan and uh,
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 4: I think it was nineteen eighty six or nineteen eighty
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 4: eight that had the heaviest offensive line and the average
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 4: two eighty six somewhere around there. Those numbers big fellows, right,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 4: But compared to today that would be the lightest right,
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 4: and then Dallas with Nate Newton and those guys had
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 4: a point where they were going, oh, we're gonna get
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 4: guys up to three. Oh, let's give him to three forty.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 4: And they peaked when some of them got to three
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 4: sixty the bone marrow. They were big, but they lost
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 4: agility and speed and went, oh, we hit the ceiling,
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 4: we went past it. We got to come back.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: There's Hogs guy in the middle with a mustache.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 4: Jud Jakobe over here, sixty six.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: Big fellas the Hogs. What a great name. Yeah, that's hilarious.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he hit the top of like Dallas, it hit,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 4: they hit. They went too far. I think it was
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 4: biggers better, so let's get bigger. And then all of
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 4: a sudden, agility went, oh it's not three sixty, it's
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 4: come way back, come back down.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: Well, believe it or not, the UFC heavyweight division has
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: a weight class. You can't be over two hundred and
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: sixty five pounds. You can't. No, they have to weigh
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 3: to fight for the UFC heavyweight title, you must weigh
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty five pounds or below.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 4: So you're to seventy you gotta lose weight.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: You don't. You got a way. It's happened before where
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 3: guys had to lose weight to fight heavyweight. Tim Sylvia
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: when he was the UFC heavyweight champion, had to cut
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: weight to hit the two hundred and sixty five pound
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: weight class. He was so big that like two sixty
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: five was a struggle for him to get down to.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 4: Isn't that number gonna have to well, I would.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: Assume it should, But the problem is there's actually a
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 3: heavyweight class above that that's super heavyweight, but we've never
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 3: had that in the UFC. There's never been a single
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 3: super heavyweight fight in the UFC. Everything has always been
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 3: inside the two hundred and sixty five pound weight class,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 3: which I think is real weird because like.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: Where'd that number come from?
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. The numbers are real weird anyway, because
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: there's giant gaps in them. It's like one of the
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 3: major problems with MMA is that there's a lack of
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: weight classes. So in boxing, there's weight classes. All you
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 3: got one twenty six, one thirty, one thirty five. It
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: goes one thirty five to one forty one, forty one,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: forty seven, one forty seven fifty four. With the UFC,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 3: it's like thirty five, forty five, fifty five. Then it
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 3: goes seventy eighty five, so you got a fifteen pound
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 3: weight difference, and then it goes two to oh five,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: so you got twenty twenties, and then you got two
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: sixty five, so that's sixty pounds for heavyweight. It's crazy.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 3: The gaps are just too big, right, They're gigantic. So
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: that's a major problem with MMA in that there's less
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 3: weight classes than there should be. And then you have
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas, Like you should
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: have no cap heavyweight should be How big is this guy? Like,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: let him fight.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 4: Because you think you can handle him, come in.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what about the Mountain that guy from
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 3: Game of Thrones. If that guy had a fight in
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: the UFC, he wouldn't be able to make weight. He's
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 3: too big. He's that guy's almost four hundred pounds, you know.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I never knew that. I thought heavyweight's like two
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 4: sixty five up. What should be whatever you want to
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 4: come in with, that's what it should be.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there really should be a weight class around
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: two twenty five.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 4: There's something like that class would name a new class.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: Well, boxing has something like that. What is the boxing
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: weight class that's like below heavyweight, there's cruiser weight, but
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 3: then there's a new one. There's a recent one over
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: the past few years that they've developed. But that's one
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: thing that boxing does a much better job with, I think,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: providing fighters the correct weight class where they can compete in.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: What is it called? That's it. I think another one
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: that they're calling they're calling it god, I can't remember
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: the name of it. Super crazy, Yeah, that's it. I
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: think they called it something different though they had a
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: name for it. Eh. Whatever, Maybe you'll find it, maybe not.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: But the point is two sixty five is the limit.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 3: So like Francis and Gano when he was the heavyweight champion,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: he used to have a cut weight. He had to
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: lose weight to get down to two sixty five.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 4: And then how much is he putting on that last week?
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 3: He's probably putting an ten on At least he's not
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 3: losing a ton, but he's got to watch his calorie output.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 3: Him he's a massive human.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 4: Hey, I met him in Saudi Arabia.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 3: So big, he's so big. That's a real tragedy that
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 3: him in the UFC couldn't figure it out. That bothers
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: me a lot because that guy was He was the
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: scariest heavyweight champion of all time for sure. He put
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: guys in orbit. He would hit them, and you just go, oh,
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: it would hurt. You like watching it, You're like, oh, no,
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: all men are not created equal. That's another problem with fighting.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: No matter how much preparation you have, no matter how
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: intelligent you have you are, some people are faster and
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: hit harder than you. And you ain't gonna fix that
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 3: in the gym. You'll get a little better, but you're
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: never going to breege that gap.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 4: I had a dream of being an NBA basketball player.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 3: Was that your dream for a while? How old were you?
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: I was young, and I was I was like, I'm
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 4: gonna dunk. No matter how much this guy sitting here
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 4: would have worked out and hustled, I was never going
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 4: to be able to dunk. Bro didn't have the inate ability,
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 4: didn't have the DNA, didn't have the makeup.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: I bet you could. I bet you could over time.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: I bet someone could teach you how to dunk. I
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 3: bet if someone got you on like a serious trading program.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: When you're younger right now, it would be rough, rough track,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 3: It would be rough on the tendons. Yes, stress, what
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: do you get to be ari? Just like her? Maybe
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be dunking. How about take dunking off the menu?
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: But when you're young, I think you could teach a guy.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 3: But it would you know, it's not as easy as that,
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: Like for some people they could just dunk.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Well that thing about not everyone being created equal. Yeah,
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 4: you got to have inateibility.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and the hustle.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 4: Ok ethic if you got both. And there's a lot
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 4: of Look, there's a lot of five star players who
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: don't I had the hustle.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then there's a lot of some of the
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 3: most talented ones right because it's too easy to them. Yeah,
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 3: and some of the ones that aren't as talented but
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 3: just will not stop. Ye, they will not stop pushing
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: because they had to work harder for everything they ever did.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: They have that extra gear and that allows them to
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 3: be champions.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 4: I hear more and more CEOs saying give me Johnny
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: and Jane hustle from Western Kentucky before Belinda and Joseph
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: from Harvard.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 4: Do you need this one that's ready to come hustle
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 4: that' you're ready to get scrappy, adapt work, press the
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 4: edges on the front and the back end.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, give me that, and someone is all in. Yeah,
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: you want someone who's all in. You don't want someone
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: who's like looking at the clock, wants to leave, someone
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: is just like doesn't feel like they're being appreciated enough.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: You want someone who's like fully all in on their work.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's been there's theories about with AI
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 4: coming that now more than ever. That's what you need
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 4: is the one that knows a little It has more
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 4: of a liberal arts education. I know, I know, I know,
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 4: I know a little bit a lot of things, and
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 4: I can hit many different avenues rather than be an
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 4: expertise in one certain thing. I mean, it's like just
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 4: what six years ago you tour the campuses that were
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 4: like computer programming. That's what you want your job to be.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 4: That's what we need right now.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: You don't now it's all done telling you don't don't
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: get into programming.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So what specifics are the jobs or the creations
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 4: of locations that are going to be out there for
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 4: our youth here coming up? That are gonna be like,
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 4: that's how you gotta make it. I questioned the college education.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 4: Now I question the worth of it. How much is
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: it still a knowledge factory that has not adapted to
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 4: changing times and needs in the workforce, and how much
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 4: of it needs to be updated for getting young men
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 4: and women prepare to go into the workforce.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's really unknown territory.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 3: And I think AI is gonna take jobs away that
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: we never thought we were gonna lose. I think lawyers
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: are off, they're in trouble. Coders are gone, count gone,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 3: accountants are gone. Yeah, it's gonna be really fucking weird.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be really weird for Hollywood. I mean, you've
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: seen some of these films that if you've seen the
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 3: old Star Wars that they're doing, they're remaking Star Wars
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: with AI, with old Luke Skywalker like when he was young,
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 3: like when Luke Skywalker's They're doing completely new scenes that
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: look exactly like HD versions of Star Wars in nineteen
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: seventy five is what it looks like, but it's in
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 3: HD today with AI using Mark Hamill's voice, so it
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 3: sounds exactly like him as young Luke Skywalker. It's bananas, man,
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 3: it's bananas. There's a lot of weirdness with music. There's
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of weirdness with literature. You're going to have
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: all sorts of aich So no one knows what's going
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 3: to survive this. I think I assume that a bunch
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 3: of people at the end of the day are going
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 3: to get really sick of artificially created things and want
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: something that they know was made by a person, whether
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 3: it's a book that is made by a person or
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 3: a song like an Oliver anthems.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 4: We're gonna want.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna want books. Yeah. Books are gonna be
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 3: like like you know, some people just love vinyl, Yeah,
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 3: love them. They just love the pressing, the needle down,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: hearing the crackle, and that's that's what. There's gonna be
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of that. Still, people are gonna want to
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: buy books from people that actually wrote the book. They're
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 3: going to want to go to see a guy perform
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 3: music in an actual club where you see the guy
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 3: on stage, you know it's live. That There is always
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: going to be a desire for handmade things. A guy
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 3: made this table, I know them, you know. But other
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 3: than that man, no one knows. It's the unknown because
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 3: no one knows what the capabilities of these things are
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 3: going to be.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 4: Well, and the the tech, the the AI tech companies
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 4: keep saying, now, trust is a lot of jobs is
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 4: gonna be lost. But I had going to create so
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 4: many other jobs. But I haven't heard him. You want
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 4: to answer what those jobs are going to be?
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even think they know. Honestly, they don't
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: even know why these things are so good at what
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 3: they are good at. They keep getting smarter and smarter
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 3: and they blow them away. Like Elon told me that
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: every week is like these new discoveries there. It's like,
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: what this is crazy? Like every week we're blown away.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 3: So they just it just keeps getting more and more capable.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 3: We don't know where this is going. So if you're
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 3: in college right now, like I mean, it's so cliche
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 3: to say follow your dream, but really do follow your
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: fucking dream because that might be the only thing that
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: you've got right Because if you think you're just going
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: to get a really good job in an industry that
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 3: might be completely wiped out in three years by AI,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of people are going to be going
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 3: down that path a lot.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's crime going to go up. You have
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 4: people out of jobs, they're going to be you know,
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 4: what are these people.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 3: Going to do? Could? I think it's universal basic income.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 3: It's probably the only way to solve, at least on
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 3: the short term where how we're going to lose a
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff. Look at you, man, you've got a
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: lot of little tabs in there. I organized, you're very organized.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 4: Well, these are one day I thought it could be
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 4: cool comment that that cool conversation starters for for us,
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 4: and we've kind of covered actually some of them. You
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 4: read anyone read poems on the show before?
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Alex Friedman, he there you go. All right, you
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 3: want to find a good one. We'll wrap it up
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 3: with a great poem.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, let's go do.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: This book is out right now, No.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: September sixteenth, Oh, September sixteenth. This is a fun one
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 4: that I wrote. It's kind of based on it's called
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 4: it's based on extra credit. It's kind of relying on
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 4: fate or extra credit that we get that sometimes we
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 4: rely on the extra credit participation trophies. It's where this
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 4: one kind of started from me. So I it's a
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 4: fun one, and it may get us talking about something.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 4: It's called tips included, okay, when extra credits included, credit
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't get its due. When more gives us less, the
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 4: exchange rate's gone askew. When amnesty is offered going into
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 4: the crime, we're more bound to commit it. Because there
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 4: is no fine. We start playing to tie instead of
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 4: going for the win. When participation's the trophy for every
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 4: cow in the pen. If I still on the porch
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 4: because you picked up the slack when you look over
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 4: your shoulder, I can't have you back. If there is
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 4: no curfew, we'll stay out all night. No tab at
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 4: our bar, we get drunken, start a fight. All these
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 4: long lenses got us losing our sight. You keep lifting
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 4: it for me, I'm gonna lose all my might. When
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 4: a four star duty suits a six star rate, we
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 4: take our hands off the wheel, rely on fate. Eating
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 4: all we can as all we can eat buffet gives
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 4: us a three point eight education and a four point
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 4: two GPA. We steal from ourselves and get away with
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 4: the scam. What's the measure of merit with less? Give
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 4: a damn? These unlimited options, rom they sure got me confused.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 4: While all the conveniences keep me properly loubed in this
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 4: red light district with the horror of inflation. The roi's
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 4: math don't pay for the vacation. So let's just admit it.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 4: This extra credit's quite a fluffer because when the tips included,
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 4: the service will suffer.
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 3: That's great, that's really good and dead on you, fucking
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 3: right on the head, perfect.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: Fun, man. I mean, yeah, I got I think I
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 4: came win myte The eleventh place team got the same.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 8: Sized trophy as the first place team, and I was like,
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 8: they went oh and ten, but the winning team went
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 8: ten and oh you kind of like saying, oh, the
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 8: winning team went five and five and the losing team
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 8: went five and five.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: Hey, I don't get it. Don't hurt. You don't hurt
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 4: the feelings, don't lose, don't get told no.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 3: Your feelings have to get hurt sometimes that's how you
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 3: learn and grow. And you can't protect anybody from that.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 3: And that's the problem. We want to do that with
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 3: our children. With all my best friends, all my favorite
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 3: people had terrible, chaotic childhoods and they all became very
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 3: interesting people. But I don't want my kids to have
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 3: a terrible, chaotic child have like a wonderful, love filled,
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 3: you know, bountiful childhood. But that comes with well, I
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 3: think they have to find things that they uh that
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 3: they find that are difficult, that they get engrossed with.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 3: They they really love to pursue. And fortunately my kids
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 3: do that. But I think you have to have a struggle.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 3: You have to have a task if you just want
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: to like, oh, you get a trophy too, everybody gets
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 3: a trophy. It's okay, No, there's no losers got hard quit.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 3: When my kids were real little, one of my daughters
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: was playing in a soccer game and they didn't they
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 3: wouldn't say the score, Like, but I know the fucking score.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 3: I just watched they lost. This is so crazy. But
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 3: they were doing this in California. They had like scoreless games.
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I mean, but look, why are you
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 3: trying to score? Then? Why are you trying to or
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 3: if you don't count it? This doesn't make any sense.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 3: This is soccer.
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 4: Soccer has aie trying to keep them from scoring.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 3: Exactly. What's the point, everybody, what's the rules? Picking up
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 3: with your hands? This is stupid. If you don't have
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 3: a loser. You don't have a desire to get better
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 3: to become a winner. That's the part of the process.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 3: Sometimes kids lose and they cry. And by the way,
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: if you don't ever go through that, then you don't
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: understand how to lose. So you never develop a healthy
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 3: ability to manage competitiveness. Some people just never get that.
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 3: They never get healthy competition makes for a very unhealthy
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 3: person to not be able to just compete.
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 4: Well, especially once they leave the house. Yes, and they're
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 4: on their own because the world chair plays by the
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 4: rules and the score is kept. Yes, and you don't
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 4: win everyone, no matter how good you are. Yes, and
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 4: there's nobody coming back. I can to tuck you in
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 4: bed and say it's okay, let's put some ice on it.
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 3: Your regal man that wake up call, that's cold.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 4: I got a cool movie coming out called The Lost Bus.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 4: Will be out in October. It's gonna be in theaters
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks and it goes on Apple
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 4: and streams. Remember the Paradise Fires in twenty eighteen in Paradise, California. Yes, yeah,
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 4: I think I think the numbers thirty people or so died.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 4: Jamie Lee Curtis heard this story on NPR and went
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 4: to Jason Bloom, and Jason Bloom went to Paul Greengrass,
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 4: who was the director of Captain Phillips United ninety three
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 4: Black Sunday, really good action director but also with a
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 4: good personal dramatic story in it. And then they came
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 4: to me for it. And there were a lot of
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 4: heroic people that at that time that went ran towards
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 4: the crisis instead of away from the crisis. But this
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 4: one particular story about this bus driver and this teacher
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 4: that got twenty two kids to safety was the story
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 4: we picked to tell, and we went and shot it
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 4: in Santa Fe. This guy that this guy that I
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 4: play is Oh, here's the trailer.
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not listening to just tell me what the
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 3: trailers going on.
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 4: Okay. So this guy, Kevin and our story comes back
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 4: home because his dad has passed away and he's going
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 4: to take care of his widowed mother and try to
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 4: reunite with his son, which, by the way, check this out, Joe,
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 4: my mom plays my mom and LEVI.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: Plays my son. Oh wow, your mom plays me. Well
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 3: that's cool. Yeah.
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 4: So he comes back through that and he gets a
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 4: part time jobs as a school bus driver. He goes
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 4: out that morning there's a fire coming across the canyon,
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 4: as they always do, no problem, you know, first responders
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 4: head out. Well, by the afternoon he had got no
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 4: out of hand and was jump in the canyon. And
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 4: so that afternoon as he's now decided, oh shit, I
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 4: gotta go back and get my mom and my son.
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 4: Neither one of them even drive get them to safety.
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 4: All the way home, barging home to go, barge down
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 4: the highway to go get them. A call comes through dispatch.
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 4: I got twenty two stranded kids on the east side
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 4: of town. Is anyone over there at an empty bus?
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 4: Whoa guess who's got an empty bus? Fuck? I want
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 4: to go get my mom and my son. Man, but
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 4: he takes the call and says, I'll go get him.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 4: He goes and gets them a teacher. Their teacher gets
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 4: on the bus, and this is their story of about
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 4: eight hours of going through hell and how and if
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 4: they got out of it, and really awesome adrenaline pumped
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 4: action which you're gonna get from Green Grass and a
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 4: story like that, like the fire. This is as good
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 4: as fire movie as there's been. The fires are a
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 4: fucking predator. It's from the POV. It's like Jaws. The
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 4: fire is actually like the Shark and Jaws in this thing,
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 4: plus a really cool story of redemption, father sons and uh,
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 4: you know, two people doing what they can to survive
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 4: when there were no there were no contact. All the
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 4: telephone towers are down and the dispatch of town no
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 4: one had any contact. So he didn't know if his
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 4: mom and son were okay. He didn't know where to go,
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 4: where the traffic jams were. And what happened is the
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 4: first responders left early to go get the fires. When
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 4: they got there, it had already jumped the canyon. So
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  Speaker 4: when they were coming back to town, the mandatory evacuation,
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 4: the whole town's leaving. He couldn't get back in town.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a it's a bit of a horror film
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  Speaker 4: in that way. But moving on, fire man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what it feels like if you ever
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 3: get stuck in one of those things, it feels like
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  Speaker 3: a monster. Yeah, that sounds awesome.
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 4: It's that. It's pretty good. It's tough, tough movie, but
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  Speaker 4: a good one.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful. Yeah, I can't wait to see it, cool man,
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for being here. Man. It's a lot of fun.
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it, thank you. And that poem was awesome,
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 3: really good. So dead on the head that's the best
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 3: participation trophy poem of all time. That's really good. The
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 3: book is called There. It is right there. Poems and
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  Speaker 3: Prayers out soon pre order. Now did you do the audio?
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  Speaker 3: You did? Yeah, of course you did. I have to.
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 3: You can't have an actor do your voice? How dare
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 3: that would be impossible? Okay, thank you, brother, appreciate you. Goodbye, everybody,