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Critically Acclaimed #368 | The Mandalorian and Grogu, I Love Boosters, Is God Is, Obsession, Decorado, The Wizard of the Kremlin, Passenger, Marty Life is Short, Ladies First, In the Grey · Critically Acclaimed Network

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[UNKNOWN]: Greetings friends.
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[UNKNOWN]: Welcome back to the critically acclaimed podcast, the review podcast where I review movies and we do it well and with a plom and oh look there's a sound effect.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm Whitney Syvelled.
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[UNKNOWN]: I contribute to the website slash film with me as always is my uh... sintillating intelligent dazzling co-host.
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[UNKNOWN]: William, why don't you introduce yourself?
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[UNKNOWN]: I can never think of a good reason, so I always do.
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[UNKNOWN]: My name is William DiBiani.
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[UNKNOWN]: I am a film critic.
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[UNKNOWN]: I write for the rap and everybody calls me.
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[UNKNOWN]: got another two-banger two weeks worth of movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Do we have to call them a two-banger?
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that's I don't want to look that up on Urban Dictionary.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that's not good.
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[UNKNOWN]: We got the Mandalorian and Grogu, the new Star Wars story.
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[UNKNOWN]: We've got Boots Riley's I Love Boosters, which is about loving boosters.
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[UNKNOWN]: we've got the new revenge thriller classic lid everything you can want it to be movie is god is we have the new supernatural horror film obsession we have the Spanish animated
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[UNKNOWN]: really depressing drama de carado we have depression yeah we have the not actually a biopic but kind of a biopic the wizard of the cremlin we have the new horror movie passenger about a hitchhiking ghost we have the Martin Short documentary Marty life is short we have the new Sasha Baron Conan Rosemann Pike
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... magical comedy ladies first and the latest guy richie joint in the gray starring jake jillin hall and henry cavel so many movies
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[UNKNOWN]: So let's do it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's dive right in.
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[UNKNOWN]: The big release for the last two weeks.
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[UNKNOWN]: The big big big money maker It was of course the Mandalorian and Grogu.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is of course a spin-off of the Net, sorry, not this name Disney plus too many streaming service.
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[UNKNOWN]: Disney plus Disney plus has a Streaming series called the Mandalorian, which is about not Boba fat
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[UNKNOWN]: It looks like Boba Fett, but that is not Boba Fett.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's a lot shinier than Boba Fett, which makes him different.
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[UNKNOWN]: As close as I could tell, like Disney purchased, your Lucasfilm, they figured out all of this,
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, they bought all the Star Wars stuff and they're going to put Star Wars back into the public consciousness after a couple of years of no Star Wars movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: And you can see that they wanted what they wanted to do.
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[UNKNOWN]: They wanted to make Billions.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, Boba Fett.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, they wanted to make billions and they wanted to make TV shows based on all the characters you know.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they kind of started with that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, they started with the movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: They started with the movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: They started with the movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: They did the story about TV.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about TV shows.
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[UNKNOWN]: All right.
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[UNKNOWN]: They did out.
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[UNKNOWN]: They eventually did an Obi-Wan Kenobi TV series.
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[UNKNOWN]: There was talk for a little while about doing a young Yoda TV series.
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[UNKNOWN]: The young Han Solo adventures became its own feature film.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I and you can tell they wanted to do the BobaFat TV series.
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[UNKNOWN]: But
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[UNKNOWN]: Boba Fett's dead.
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[UNKNOWN]: And we kind of know his story already because he's just the sort of stoic bounty had a character.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to tell.
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[UNKNOWN]: So they decided instead to do a Boba Fett like character called the Mandalorian.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's what I'm guessing the thinking was.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's not strictly true.
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[UNKNOWN]: We have a Boba Fett series without having Boba Fett.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, to be honest, they went back on that anyway.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: and made a boba vet series anyway.
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[UNKNOWN]: They did, they did, because the Mandalorian was so popular when we have another guy who looks like that.
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[UNKNOWN]: To be clear, both boba vet and the Obi-Wan Kenobi series were, I believe, originally intended to be feature films, and when sort of interest in Star Wars started to become more divided in the popular consciousness, and when especially
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, they got a lot of cold feet about so many of their movie projects.
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[UNKNOWN]: We have not had a new Star Wars feature film in seven or eight years at this point.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it's, it's been a long time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Disney has mostly focused on television.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they're done some good work in television.
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[UNKNOWN]: And or is about as good as Star Wars has ever been.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, and, well, I wasn't initially super high in the Mandalorian.
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[UNKNOWN]: I caught up with it in advance of this movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, I did find it's sort of central characters, uh, just very lovable and very fun.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it is lone wolf and cub in space, uh, lone wolf and cub is a series of samurai movies, uh, uh, uh, and, and I believe originally manga about a, uh, disgraced executioner, uh, who goes on the run and makes a living as a bounty hunter with like his like four or five-year-old son.
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[UNKNOWN]: with him, uh, and I thought it was like a foundling, wasn't it?
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[UNKNOWN]: No, he's not as actual in the mandalorian.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's a foundling in lone wolf and cubits his son, because in lone wolf and cub, like there's this, there's a scene at the beginning where after, he's disgraced and he's, he's, you know, deciding to live the life of, well, basically wandering bounty hunter criminal.
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[UNKNOWN]: He has a little kid with him and he gives the kid of memory service.
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[UNKNOWN]: He gives the kid like a choice and the kid doesn't particularly, you know, he's young.
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[UNKNOWN]: He can't really make these big life decisions for himself.
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[UNKNOWN]: But the choice is basically, I'm going to put sit the kid down and in front of the kid on one side, I'm going to put like a sword and on the other side, I'm going to put like a ball, like you could play with.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: And if he picks the ball, I'm not taking him with me.
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[UNKNOWN]: If he picks the sword, I am, and he picked the sword.
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[UNKNOWN]: So
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[UNKNOWN]: Those movies are fucking awesome, by the way.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you've never seen the lone wolf in Cod movies, Yagata, they're all pretty great.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm particularly big fan of lone wolf and Cubs.
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[UNKNOWN]: Baby Cards in the Land of Demons, which is just a fucking awesome movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: But,
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[UNKNOWN]: In any case, yeah, this was there's a shiny cool looking guy in armor who is never allowed to take his helmet off and he works as a bounty hunter and in the first episode of the show he is assigned to bring back a special thing and that thing turns out to be
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[UNKNOWN]: a baby Yoda now wasn't literally Yoda and the the the Yoda species is not a Yoda but that's what he looks like looks like a baby Yoda and the Mandalorian had enough of a heart that he couldn't give the kid to the Empire which is who hired him and so he goes on the run with this child.
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[UNKNOWN]: and form a very close bond over the course of three seasons.
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[UNKNOWN]: And as of the end of season three, he is officially finally adopted the little kid named Grogu and Grogu, who has forced powers, has decided in a scene completely lifted from Lion Wolf and Cub.
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[UNKNOWN]: He had a choice between a lightsaber and the Mandalorian armor that the Mandalorian gave him.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he picked the Mandalorian armor.
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[UNKNOWN]: So he's going to learn the ways of the
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot more to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a ton of side characters, but what I really like about the Mandalorian and Groguin actually let me replace that.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of things I really like about the Mandalorian and Groguin.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think this is a very entertaining movie, but compared to a lot of other movies that are spin-offs of TV series that maintain the continuity.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not like we're rebooting it for movies where like it's like the X-Files movies where it's still Molder and Scully.
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[UNKNOWN]: you really don't need to know the show.
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[UNKNOWN]: This movie does work.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think this movie does work on its own.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a little you have more pre-existing connection to the characters obviously if you like the show, but there's almost nothing in this show that makes significantly more sense if you've seen.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's almost nothing in the movie that makes significantly more sense if you've seen the show.
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[UNKNOWN]: It really does stand on its own.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I really think that's impressive.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you hadn't seen the show, so I'm actually really, really curious to see where you, yeah, what your point of view is on this.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've not seen the show.
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[UNKNOWN]: I have, however, seen if you want to count like all of the TV specials on everything.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is the 17th Star Wars movie, and I've seen all of the Star Wars movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not so on the show I've seen.
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[UNKNOWN]: I saw the acolyte.
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[UNKNOWN]: I like the acolyte a lot.
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[UNKNOWN]: I liked it a lot too.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yep, excellent.
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[UNKNOWN]: I saw, uh, and that's it for all the new TV shows.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's the only watch the act.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: And, and I started to watch Andor, but I only got about halfway through the first season, not because I disliked it, just because I never got around to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Life, um, got it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just like, yeah, life kind of got in the way, but, um,
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[UNKNOWN]: was not familiar with the Mandalorian as he could tell by my rambling opening.
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[UNKNOWN]: As far as I was concerned, this was the Boba Fett TV series.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I don't care about Boba Fett.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not one of those like Star Wars obsessives who like has a lot invested in this guy with a cool helmet.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a pretty cool helmet though.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is a cool costume.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a cool helmet.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a cool helmet.
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[UNKNOWN]: Cool costume.
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[UNKNOWN]: You try and deny it, but uh, but yeah, all I knew about it was like some of the images.
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[UNKNOWN]: I knew like this is the way, um, and I knew it was like, yeah, kind of like a bounty hunter.
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[UNKNOWN]: I knew it was set after the events of return of the Jedi.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: is one of the few Star Wars movies that takes place when there's no Star War raging.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is like a post-war period.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're kind of wrapping up after, because destroying the Death Star didn't mean that every single person in the Empire immediately surrendered.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Galaxy is a pretty big place, and there are still generals out there with some
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[UNKNOWN]: trying to hang in there, trying to build the empire back up, and rise again, which as we see in the Force Awakens, eventually to one degree or another, they will, though it's going to be in kind of a mutant form.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not the original empire.
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[UNKNOWN]: And one of the things that has been happening a lot on the show is,
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[UNKNOWN]: The Mandalorian, his name is Dinjaren, he has been in addition to fighting a bunch of cool monsters, he fought a great dragon, he fought all this cool shit, he's also been constantly fighting against remnants of the Empire and in this film when we catch up to him, he is decided to basically exclusively work.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... for the new republic to be what's called uh... and all he's doing is hunting down imperial fugitives well and and i like this premise uh... i don't know how much that differs from sort of that the general wild west feeling of the tv series but i like the idea that this is a like a post world war two period and the Nazi war criminals are on the run and they've essentially hired
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[UNKNOWN]: the man with no name because we don't even see his face throughout most of this movie it's behind a helmet.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's Pedro Pascal's voice but I think I don't think it's him and every scene I think he had a stunt double in most of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I be very surprised if it was him and every scene.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I feel like we're crediting Pedro Pascal on the same way that we are crediting James Hill Jones for Darth Vader even though David Prowse is doing a lot of the literal heavy lifting in that performance and the original trilogy.
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[UNKNOWN]: I do the best I acknowledge nobody ever really seems to
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[UNKNOWN]: like the guy because I know Pedro Pascal isn't there every day on the show.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, you look up the credits.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Mandalorian was played by Brendan Wayne and Latif Crowder physically and most scenes, but Peter Pascal's voice and he does take his helmet off at one point and that was Peter Pascal.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so it's in this post-war period.
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[UNKNOWN]: He has this cute little baby Yoda with him.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's Grogu.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he has, and the plot of the movie is pretty standard Western story.
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[UNKNOWN]: He, there's actually like a literal deck of cards.
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[UNKNOWN]: One of the characters holds and says, we have all of these Nazi war criminals track him down.
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[UNKNOWN]: One by one, hold these little cards.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a real thing the military does for like high profile targets.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that everyone could keep like a picture of them on them at all times, then print Vexicards with like the most wanted Individuals, Generals, Warcriminals in the South.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, no, so he's after this one particularly bad empire guy, but the only people who know where he is
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[UNKNOWN]: are the huts, remember, Jabba the Hut from the original movies, a Jabba the Hut is a slick guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jabba the Hut is dead after returning to the Jedi, but he had turns out he had family.
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[UNKNOWN]: In fact, if you saw the Clone Wars movie, even if you didn't see the series, but you saw the feature film, that film was all about tracking down and finding a road of the hut.
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[UNKNOWN]: And this movie is all the huts, baby.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this movie is also about tracking down and finding Roto the hut, which is pretty funny.
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[UNKNOWN]: Roto the hut is grown up.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's like,
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[UNKNOWN]: He's got two relatives who were running the empire and they want the Mandalorian to find Rota and bring back the crime empire.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, the empire.
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[UNKNOWN]: Correct, that was misleading, I apologize.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, they're running the criminal underground organization, the space mafia.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they need the Mandalorian to track down, Rota the HUD, and if he does, they'll tell him where this most wanted bad guy is.
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[UNKNOWN]: But the twist, this is a fun twist, is he tracks him down to Blade Runner planet.
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[UNKNOWN]: And on Blade Runner planet, Road of the Hut is the most popular gladiator in the world.
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[UNKNOWN]: And again, the huts are giant slug monsters.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I love this.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is so damn funny.
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[UNKNOWN]: Road of the Hut is jacked.
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[UNKNOWN]: Runa of the hunt looks like he does so many sit-ups without a spine like I don't know how I don't know how he does it, but he's so fucking buff and He's he's a badass.
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[UNKNOWN]: He looks cool in the ring and Mandalorian's like, let me get you out of here and he's like, no, I fucking love this everyone hated me as job of the hot sun But now everyone loves me as a celebrity, but of course It's all gonna go wrong.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a huge gladiator match.
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[UNKNOWN]: Didn't Jared get sucked in there as well and then yada yada yada A whole bunch of cool shit happens
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the story actually continues to evolve.
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[UNKNOWN]: It actually feels very episodic, I guess that's appropriate for a TV series, where like the the road of the hut story, like he'll still be involved in the story, but it kind of takes a back seat to a bigger story that's happening in the background.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I like all of that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think that's actually a fine way to tell the story.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, and I, and I liked just sort of the variety of the places, the story is actually very simple, which would have to be the Mandalorian himself doesn't speak a lot and we never see his face.
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[UNKNOWN]: He never takes his helmet off and Grogu, uh, the puppet is played by a puppet and Grogu doesn't speak either.
15:56
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: So there's not a lot of dialogue.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're just sort of telling these very simple kind of adventure stories as they go about their business.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I,
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[UNKNOWN]: Got a good sense is to who the characters were, they're not complex, but you know, just sort of where they stand.
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[UNKNOWN]: I did appreciate the relationship between the Mandalorian and Grogu.
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[UNKNOWN]: I love Grogu so much.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everyone loves Grogu.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's such a cute guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everyone loves Grogu and now I do too.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's just doing no do.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's a little guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: He loves snacks.
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[UNKNOWN]: Those are the two things about him, really.
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[UNKNOWN]: He just loves it so much.
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[UNKNOWN]: The thing that I think this is so important to the show, and I'm really, really glad it came across in the movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: And this is something that I think is very special in Star Wars because Star Wars doesn't have a very long history, at least in the movies and TV shows, of positive father figures.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're just aren't there.
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[UNKNOWN]: Even like, you know, maybe Han Solo was a good father, uh, to Ben Solo, but that didn't then great.
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[UNKNOWN]: So maybe not, um, you know, Luke hated the uncle who raised him so much so that he got over his death immediately and then cared more about the guy he met two days ago dying and even that guy fucking lied to him to get him to murder a dude.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's an Anakin Skywalker, of course, a huge failure of parenting.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the Mandalorian Krogu is such a loving kind relationship.
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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, they kill a lot of people, but together, their relationship together is so endearing and so and respectful too.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like he's, again, this is a kid.
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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, Yoda lives so long that apparently Krogu is like literally like 50 years old, but he develops so slowly that he's still basically a child.
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[UNKNOWN]: but he's bringing him on all the missions.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's this amazing scene where they like break out of the gladiator arena and wrote of the HUD immediately steals a car and, you know, and the Mandalorian just looks at him speeding away.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Yoda, like gets into like a hover,
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[UNKNOWN]: Like what it would have called a hover baby carriage and just zooms after him like I got this dad And then to learn it's like that's my son and he's flies off it is jetpack and I'm like all of you motherfuckers are great And there's this I think honestly as much as I love the action the action's very fun There's a lot of diversity to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a there's a stop motion sequence Which fuck no less than for that
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, by Phil Tippett and Phil Tippett who did a lot of, um, uh, he did like stop motion animation for all your favorite movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: He did like Robo Cobb and Star Wars.
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[UNKNOWN]: He did the, uh, the, uh, the chess characters in, uh, Star Wars, uh, the new Hope, which those chess characters actually appear in this movie, uh, as the Bigfoot size team.
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[UNKNOWN]: That was cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a really nice reference.
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[UNKNOWN]: He did like the tauntons and Empire Strikes Back.
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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, he's back for this one really cool robot fight
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... uh... den jaren and grogu versus these two really fucking big robots and there's a lot of robots in this movie because you can kill him and you don't have to feel anything but uh... i got to say the stop motion ones looks so much cooler and they look so much more detailed there's a real good like all guy want more of that it just like oh yeah for second i was like
19:25
[UNKNOWN]: Did they actually stop motion this?
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[UNKNOWN]: Did they finally figure out how to get CG to look good?
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, no, they stopped motion that because of course they fucking did.
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[UNKNOWN]: And bless John Favreau for doing it.
19:35
[UNKNOWN]: John Favreau is a filmmaker who I'm really hot or cold on.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think he's done some wonderful movies and I think he's done some real crap and I think he's let visual effects really get in the way of his storytelling, his Lion King is terrible.
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, but I think I think it's going to talk.
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[UNKNOWN]: I actually got to talk.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I got to talk to John Favver once I interviewed him a long time ago.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, about, uh, his full ask of you about special effects because I remember watching the special features on the DVD for his movie, uh, Zithora, which came out in the mid 2000s.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he talked and he talked a lot about how he wanted to do as much practical effect as possible
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[UNKNOWN]: C.G.
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[UNKNOWN]: just didn't look good to him and there's still the pretty early 2000s so C.G.
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[UNKNOWN]: wasn't as tightly wasn't quite as good as it is now, but still yeah yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: But and then I was interviewing him for his work on the jungle book.
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[UNKNOWN]: which is almost all CG and I asked him what changed between now and then that now you're making these movies that are all special effects and all animated and he said it was Iron Man that changed his mind that he saw some sequences in Iron Man where he said see that one looks good because that's a practical effect and somebody said no that was actually CG and he's like oh well if I can't tell the difference anymore then you know the seal has been broken essentially but I still think I still think that
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a tangible quality to practical effects, and there's a story when they were making the Mandalorian TV series, and the imperial bad guy who hires the Mandalorian to abduct and bring back Grogu for like medical experimentation in the first episode was played by Werner Herzog.
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[UNKNOWN]: Which is fucking tight, but while they were filming with Werner Herzog, they weren't a hundred percent sure.
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[UNKNOWN]: They were leaving like some wiggle room.
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[UNKNOWN]: Are we gonna use the puppet or are we gonna CG this little guy?
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[UNKNOWN]: So they did one with the puppet and then they did one without the puppet.
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[UNKNOWN]: And apparently Werner Herzog told them that if they don't use the puppet, you are cowards!
21:54
[UNKNOWN]: And they were wise to do it because it it's so much more like then watch these two characters like actually interact physically To see Grogu like take up physical space and even to see the limited
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[UNKNOWN]: motion.
22:09
[UNKNOWN]: Like Yoda in the Empire Strikes Back was a puppet.
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[UNKNOWN]: He was basically a puppet.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that limited motion that was available to him actually added to that kind of odd mystique where he was this very old man who could barely move.
22:25
[UNKNOWN]: And yet he was so powerful of the force he could lift an X-wing and that really contributed.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then in the prequels, additionally they used to
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[UNKNOWN]: put in like future releases.
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[UNKNOWN]: And now he's all CG and those movies and he's it's never right.
22:43
[UNKNOWN]: It never feels right.
22:44
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's a little too clear.
22:45
[UNKNOWN]: It looks a little too shiny.
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[UNKNOWN]: He looks.
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[UNKNOWN]: He moves almost too cleanly.
22:49
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't really feel like a person anymore.
22:52
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh, and when you compare Grogu in this movie to even the CGI characters, I think Road of the Hots are really fun character He doesn't look real Grogu looks real.
23:02
[UNKNOWN]: No, he looks like it looks like a CG character.
23:05
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I can accept that reality, but compared to Grogu, he doesn't look real
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a sequence in this movie, I was so glad they did it because there's so many scenes in the Mandalorian series and the movie where the Mandalorian has to save Grogu.
23:20
[UNKNOWN]: There's an extended sequence in the second half where Grogu has to save the Mandalorian.
23:26
[UNKNOWN]: and it is it is a direct lift from one of the lone wolf and cub movies, lone wolf and cub at the river sticks.
23:33
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh and they just they nail it.
23:36
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the extended silent sequence of the Mandalorian
23:48
[UNKNOWN]: Trying to find a way to save his life even though it's incredibly difficult and it's full of humor and suspense And you can kind of see like grogu like growing up a little bit and the thing the Mandalorian says to him after that sequence is just so kind of simple and perfect
24:07
[UNKNOWN]: I, this is like, I think they're a better Star Wars movie so this is not going to pretend that they're aren't, but I think this is the most like just genuinely top to bottom beginning to end entertaining one.
24:22
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like I just had a really good time with all of it.
24:24
[UNKNOWN]: It just it just flows together real nice.
24:26
[UNKNOWN]: I know people say it's episodic.
24:28
[UNKNOWN]: So it's Star Wars.
24:30
[UNKNOWN]: You look at the new hope every 10 minutes.
24:31
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like a new chapter, you know, and this is kind of the same thing and that feels appropriate to me.
24:36
[UNKNOWN]: So I thought it was really wonderful.
24:38
[UNKNOWN]: what i thought was really appropriate and i like this movie too um that this is one of my favorite star wars movies uh and you know i i i have controversial opinions about star wars because i'm not a star wars guy i got a huge star still like yeah no i mean i i've i've seen the movies and i like what i've seen but um yeah the um
24:59
[UNKNOWN]: if you look at the original Star Wars it actually it's that's my favorite one still and I think it's because that movie a it has like thumb prints on it's a little shabby and I like that quality I don't like it when they're kind of like too slick but that connects to film history because that is a George Lucas attempt to really kind of buff up and expand
25:23
[UNKNOWN]: 1930s and 40s like science fiction cereals that you would have seen before a feature film and those cereals were all really cheap and you go back and you watch them today and the writing is terrible and the characterization is terrible they're not great movies but when you're a little kid they feel really big so what George Lucas did was make those films feel big to an adult audience
25:49
[UNKNOWN]: He tried to approximate the adults experience of watching those movies as you did when you were a child.
25:54
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, how do I make the movies hit an adult the way they do when you're a kid.
25:57
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:59
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:59
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:59
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Mandalorian and Grogu does that exact same thing, but for 1980s, you're Saturday morning cartoons.
26:11
[UNKNOWN]: Because when you're a kid, a lot of these old cartoons feel really kind of big and epic.
26:16
[UNKNOWN]: You're getting into the characters when, especially the cartoons from the 1980s are a little more than glorified toy commercials.
26:24
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, he meant that the masters, the viewers, fell to big when you're eight.
26:28
[UNKNOWN]: And I feel think.
26:29
[UNKNOWN]: That kind of simple type of character and simple type of storytelling is now just being told on a broader canvas with a bigger budget and slicker special effects and I think it's effective.
26:41
[UNKNOWN]: I like the kind of simplified adventure of it.
26:44
[UNKNOWN]: I like the movie a lot.
26:45
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think it's, I think it's, I love the John Fabro is telling the story incredibly cleanly from a visual perspective.
26:53
[UNKNOWN]: The soundtrack is, is really, really fantastic.
26:56
[UNKNOWN]: I think, while it's not really about a lot, I think overall the story is very, very much about a family and how family will sometimes let you down and family sometimes doesn't and how the significance of that affects all of the characters.
27:15
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, this is a treat.
27:17
[UNKNOWN]: This is a real treat.
27:18
[UNKNOWN]: I was really surprised to see how divisive this movie was amongst many of our fellow critics.
27:23
[UNKNOWN]: I saw some people really didn't like it.
27:25
[UNKNOWN]: And I was completely bad.
27:27
[UNKNOWN]: I understand not loving it, because like, yeah, okay, I can understand like, ah, it's a three star Star Wars.
27:32
[UNKNOWN]: I could see that.
27:33
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's better than that, but I can see like, you know, it's not terribly ambitious and maybe that's what you're looking for.
27:39
[UNKNOWN]: And fine, I don't think they all have to be, but
27:43
[UNKNOWN]: I do not understand the vitriol towards it, that some critics have.
27:47
[UNKNOWN]: I genuinely think this is really one of all, and I think this is a good step in the right direction for Star Wars.
27:52
[UNKNOWN]: I know
27:54
[UNKNOWN]: It's been frustrating because Dave Filoni, who's very much in charge of sort of Star Wars right now, and John Favron, if you have the people behind the scenes, um, um, um, Dave Filoni seems particularly interested in just filling in the gaps between Star Wars is and like reusing characters that we've seen before and yeah, there's a few of those characters pop up in the Mandalorian and Grogu, but one thing I really liked, I think this is
28:23
[UNKNOWN]: And someone's gonna have to correct me if I'm rolling here, but I'm racking my brand.
28:27
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is unless you count like the chess piece characters which aren't really the same things, I think says the first, the actually released Star Wars movie that doesn't have any character or some of the original movies.
28:40
[UNKNOWN]: No, you're right.
28:41
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I you can say that the Mandalorian as a like a Boba Fet stand in still not him though, but he's not Boba Fet.
28:47
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're not entirely leaning on the original trilogy the way almost every other theatrical release.
28:54
[UNKNOWN]: And no, sorry, any other theatrical release did, you know, like I know a lot of people love Rogue One, but it's just filling in a plot hole.
29:01
[UNKNOWN]: So, so a little star was story, so people like it.
29:04
[UNKNOWN]: I hate it, but it's not the actress fall.
29:05
[UNKNOWN]: I think the script is the bad, but
29:08
[UNKNOWN]: That's that's on solo story.
29:10
[UNKNOWN]: All of the the sequel movies are very very very linked to the legacy of the characters from prior in the franchise.
29:19
[UNKNOWN]: They cannot escape it.
29:21
[UNKNOWN]: And I have found that exceptionally limiting in style.
29:25
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
29:26
[UNKNOWN]: We was kept on forward.
29:27
[UNKNOWN]: This was like it's a small step forward.
29:29
[UNKNOWN]: But this was like we're moving forward.
29:30
[UNKNOWN]: And I like that.
29:31
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm not concerned with where Star Wars is right now.
29:37
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not really concerned with where any gigantic entertainment franchise is right now because they're all stuck.
29:44
[UNKNOWN]: They're all just sort of looking back.
29:47
[UNKNOWN]: Even the big entertainment franchises that I take part in and enjoy are just sort of spinning their wheels.
29:53
[UNKNOWN]: They're so little creativity that can be done with these 50, 60, 70 year old entertainment properties.
29:59
[UNKNOWN]: So all I'm hoping is that we can get something kind of shiny and entertaining along the way.
30:05
[UNKNOWN]: I have no presumptions about where Star Wars needs to be or the direction it needs to go.
30:09
[UNKNOWN]: But what I do like is a simple fun entertaining science fiction adventure, which has great monsters in it.
30:19
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
30:19
[UNKNOWN]: Monsters.
30:20
[UNKNOWN]: Monsters.
30:21
[UNKNOWN]: There's a sea serpent in it.
30:23
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in addition to buff of job of the HUD, which you know, I know it's a road of the HUD, but buff job, we'll call him.
30:28
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
30:29
[UNKNOWN]: And the same way, Grogu's.
30:31
[UNKNOWN]: Baby, yeah, buff job.
30:32
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, got it.
30:33
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I, I, I, I love those stop motion robots.
30:37
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that they were really great.
30:39
[UNKNOWN]: I got big flashbacks to, um, uh, mad god, which full-tip it directed and animated feature film that I really, really loved.
30:46
[UNKNOWN]: Um,
30:48
[UNKNOWN]: And I, oh, and I really love the music.
30:51
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Ludwig Goronson does the music.
30:53
[UNKNOWN]: I think he also does it for the TV show.
30:55
[UNKNOWN]: He did, yeah, but it's, it's not just more like John Williams knock off.
31:00
[UNKNOWN]: He's actually like doing some electronic work.
31:03
[UNKNOWN]: Each setting had like a different kind of theme or score.
31:06
[UNKNOWN]: Cause the score is to tell a lot of the story.
31:07
[UNKNOWN]: The characters don't speak.
31:09
[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like Ludwig Goronson did an exceptional job.
31:12
[UNKNOWN]: This is, just,
31:15
[UNKNOWN]: way more entertaining than I expected it to be.
31:17
[UNKNOWN]: I really like that.
31:18
[UNKNOWN]: I like it to restate, restate it.
31:20
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, we have a lot of movies to review.
31:21
[UNKNOWN]: We've solved nine more, so I feel like we're both kind of some patico on this one.
31:26
[UNKNOWN]: So let's move on to the movie that we haven't talked about together yet.
31:31
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm going to I'll just preface this now.
31:33
[UNKNOWN]: This is there's two movies that we are reviewing on this week's show that I think are extremely likely to end up on my top 10 of the year.
31:43
[UNKNOWN]: to really say that's a guarantee, but I'll say I've said the before I'll say it again if we get better movies than this, what a fucking great year we're going to have.
31:52
[UNKNOWN]: But the new boots Riley movie, I love boosters, is in theaters.
31:57
[UNKNOWN]: It stars Kiki Palmer as the leader of a group of shop lifters.
32:03
[UNKNOWN]: They are professional shop lifters.
32:06
[UNKNOWN]: They treat it like oceans 11, except they're completely broke.
32:09
[UNKNOWN]: And they have, they have, they have very specifically targeted a series of fashion stores that are run by a billionaire fashion designer played by Demy Moore and they do these elaborate distractions and they come up with these like costumes where like they can stuff close into their clothes and then they walk out looking like the state puff marshmallow man, but pink and
32:37
[UNKNOWN]: over the course of the film, they sell those for money but they start pissing off the billionaire so much that it becomes literal class warfare and it just keeps escalating and escalating and I was prepared for boots Riley who of course did, sorry to bother you and I didn't see that TV series he did but um
32:58
[UNKNOWN]: I was prepared for him, I was prepared for him to be very socially conscious.
33:02
[UNKNOWN]: That's what he does.
33:03
[UNKNOWN]: I was prepared to him for him to be very inventive.
33:06
[UNKNOWN]: That's who he is.
33:09
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't prepared for him to be this.
33:13
[UNKNOWN]: light and quirky, because this feels like, someone said, I forget who, someone's described this movie as the devil wears Prada meets set it off, and that's only two thirds of it, because it also takes place in Peewee's Playhouse world.
33:31
[UNKNOWN]: Well, this is, I love boosters as a slapstick comedy.
33:35
[UNKNOWN]: It's like really close to being a Zucker Brothers movie.
33:38
[UNKNOWN]: It takes place in a really wonderfully bizarre universe, where,
33:45
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, everything's really kind of candy colored.
33:47
[UNKNOWN]: Everything's really skewed when we meet the Demi more character.
33:50
[UNKNOWN]: She lives in this high rise.
33:51
[UNKNOWN]: But the high rise was the whole building was built at like a 30-degree angle, so she has to like, you want to make it so they actually would still see like geeky Palmer, like trying to like, just reach the door.
34:02
[UNKNOWN]: It's such a great extended game.
34:04
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like the, they have to like climb up the steep slope to reach the door to get out of the office.
34:09
[UNKNOWN]: That kind of stuff.
34:11
[UNKNOWN]: Everything is like really kind of surreal things don't really fit together.
34:16
[UNKNOWN]: Leceeth Stanfield shows up at one point, and it's revealed later that he's like kind of the supernatural being.
34:23
[UNKNOWN]: And also part-way through the movie, we start getting into science fiction stuff with a science fiction device that they can use to sort of teleport around town.
34:31
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not even, I'm not even getting into all of the twists.
34:33
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, no, no, no.
34:34
[UNKNOWN]: That's this is all stuff that like could easily be revealed in the trailer and you will have nothing spoiled for this movie.
34:40
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it's just anything can happen literally anything there's so many I think there's there's an unspoken rule I think a lot of writers have where like there's gonna only have like one fantastical element in your movie Like you can have zombies, okay, but you can't also have telepathy That's a bridge too far boots Riley is like okay.
34:58
[UNKNOWN]: What if I had Everything
35:03
[UNKNOWN]: And what have it all thematically work to somehow?
35:07
[UNKNOWN]: But not in like a Star Wars way where it feels like we've all synthesized it so that everything feels like kind of perfectly connected.
35:14
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, no, the world is really weird and chaotic and bizarre and all these different elements exist within it simultaneously.
35:22
[UNKNOWN]: And that's just the world in which we live in and it's gonna show up whenever it shows up and you're just gonna have to fucking deal with it.
35:29
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just roll.
35:30
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll say this, um, just like sorry to bother, you know, sorry to bother you.
35:35
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was like a little bit sharper.
35:37
[UNKNOWN]: It was a little bit more pointed and like what it was trying to say.
35:40
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I love boosters is trying to say everything at once.
35:44
[UNKNOWN]: It is so.
35:45
[UNKNOWN]: unbearably eager to get to all of these really weird points about class warfare and the fashion industry and the exploitation within the fashion industry.
35:55
[UNKNOWN]: It's getting at the injustices and working for retail, which I really appreciate it.
36:00
[UNKNOWN]: Anybody who's worked retail is going to recognize everything about a character played by Wil Polter who's like this like snippy manager that the
36:10
[UNKNOWN]: That was my such a hateable dick.
36:12
[UNKNOWN]: That was one of that was not all of my managers at Hollywood video, but that was one of my managers at Hollywood video.
36:18
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
36:18
[UNKNOWN]: I know that guy.
36:21
[UNKNOWN]: That guy sucks.
36:22
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, the injustices are real world.
36:25
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the employees are headed a check and it's for like $40 for a week of work.
36:30
[UNKNOWN]: It's like what what are you doing here?
36:31
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because they're charging because they're selling high end fashion.
36:35
[UNKNOWN]: So they insist that they wear the high end fashion.
36:37
[UNKNOWN]: So they're taking that out of their salary.
36:40
[UNKNOWN]: And I remember this actually would hit me very close to home because when I was working in Hollywood video, the Hollywood video was defunct now, so I don't know if everyone remembers it, but Hollywood video had a very light uniform.
36:53
[UNKNOWN]: You were supposed to wear black pants, black shoes, and then they would issue you like a purple button down shirt with like a Hollywood
37:08
[UNKNOWN]: They would obviously they needed you to wear the shirt.
37:11
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that was the deal.
37:12
[UNKNOWN]: And they provided you with the shirt, fair enough.
37:14
[UNKNOWN]: But then later on, they were like, okay, listen, everyone needs to start wearing nicer pants.
37:18
[UNKNOWN]: And I said, are you going to provide those pants?
37:21
[UNKNOWN]: And they said, no.
37:22
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, then that's literally illegal in the state of California.
37:25
[UNKNOWN]: You cannot force someone to wear specific attire unless you provide and pay for it.
37:32
[UNKNOWN]: you can tell people to dress nice, you can't tell people they have to wear these specific items of clothing and force them to pay for it.
37:39
[UNKNOWN]: That is actually illegal.
37:41
[UNKNOWN]: And just seeing that happen in this movie, I was just like, up in there, mother, it's still mad about it.
37:48
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to recognize
37:49
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, anybody who's ever worked retail, anybody who's ever tried to buy high end fashion will recognize everything in this movie.
37:56
[UNKNOWN]: I think that it's, it's kind of interesting that this movie should come out just as shortly as it did after.
38:03
[UNKNOWN]: The Devil Wears Prada, too.
38:05
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:06
[UNKNOWN]: Because the Devil Wears Prada and this was my complaint about the movie is, I don't care about the fate of a character like the, like the, the Marvel Street character.
38:15
[UNKNOWN]: She's a rich jerk who is not contributing anything artistic to the world, and this movie, I love Boosters depicted that character the way I saw her as this kind of dickish billionaire who doesn't care about the world and just sort of has these high-falutant ideas about how she is contributing art when really all she's doing is ripping people off and keeping all the money for herself.
38:37
[UNKNOWN]: Right, I still think that's I feel like that's the somewhat ungenerous take on that character and the devil was brought up But here.
38:44
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's absolutely one of them what they're doing Yeah, but it's also it's also that really understands and cares about fashion is a form of personal expression the costumes in this movie If they don't win awards something's fucking wrong
38:57
[UNKNOWN]: It's such a, like the costumes are great.
39:00
[UNKNOWN]: Some of them are beautiful.
39:01
[UNKNOWN]: Some of them are absolutely bonkers.
39:04
[UNKNOWN]: There's a ton of variety.
39:06
[UNKNOWN]: There's this one of sci-fi element that allows them at some point in the movie to just make the most bizarre outfits you can possibly imagine.
39:15
[UNKNOWN]: And every single one of them is a treat.
39:18
[UNKNOWN]: I just love it to pieces and what I think is amazing about it is that Boots Riley is going very free wheeling here There's like a giant chase sequence at the end which also has extended sequences that are like Cute little models, but also a lot of stop motion animation and a ton of CGI and really just these bizarre things You've never seen a car chase quite like it
39:40
[UNKNOWN]: And without getting into everything, the way the movie ends and the way the movie concludes the narrative concludes the conflict between the have not and the have is so fucking correct.
39:58
[UNKNOWN]: It's just absolutely like this is the because of that movie ended in almost any other way it might have been fun it might have been satisfying as a movie I don't think it would have been useful.
40:09
[UNKNOWN]: I think I live boosters for all of its wackiness for all of its entertainment value for all of its just high energy antics is so grounded in the idea that we're all getting fucked
40:26
[UNKNOWN]: by people with way too much money and way too much power.
40:29
[UNKNOWN]: They are actively stealing from us even as they pretend to pay us for our work.
40:36
[UNKNOWN]: And without telling you what happens, there really is only one way to deal with that.
40:41
[UNKNOWN]: And the movie understands that, who's Riley understands that, and it still feels like a very natural extension of all the weird shit that we go through to get to that ending.
40:53
[UNKNOWN]: And it's incredibly satisfying.
40:58
[UNKNOWN]: I slightly disagree with you on the ending.
41:00
[UNKNOWN]: I love the way that I do like the way the, it ended, I feel like it was very satisfying.
41:06
[UNKNOWN]: But also the movie is about 113 minutes long and that gigantic chase sequence and all of the ins and outs we needed to get to that could have been skipped over and it would have been equally satisfying.
41:20
[UNKNOWN]: It's Riley has so many ideas.
41:24
[UNKNOWN]: that he doesn't really know how to organize them that well.
41:27
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I love boosters as an incredibly sloppy movie.
41:31
[UNKNOWN]: It introduces all of these new ideas that it doesn't really, it's not really well-prepared to tackle.
41:38
[UNKNOWN]: I was reminded a lot of the films of Don Kosker Relli, where he's a filmmaker who has so many huge ideas on his mind.
41:49
[UNKNOWN]: But his budgets can't quite match, and the script isn't quite sharp enough to contain all of those ideas.
41:56
[UNKNOWN]: So I admire this really wild candy-candy colored world that this takes place in, Tim Burton wishes.
42:05
[UNKNOWN]: There's, and I appreciate like all of these weird new twists and all of these science fiction and fantasy ideas that you don't see coming.
42:12
[UNKNOWN]: I liked the Lequif Stanfield character and the world that he played in the movie, but at the same time after a while of these things are just starting to play out in front of me.
42:22
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm watching these like gigantic wonderful chases being used with stop motion animation and miniatures and I'm wondering, you lost the thread.
42:31
[UNKNOWN]: we don't know where we're going with any of this anymore and it's not until it it kind of comes together at the end that feels like a last-ditch effort to really kind of tie things up really, really quickly.
42:41
[UNKNOWN]: I was just exhausted at that point.
42:43
[UNKNOWN]: I agree it's exactly.
42:44
[UNKNOWN]: Having said all that.
42:46
[UNKNOWN]: Having said all that, I would rather watch a film that trips over its own feet trying to tell me all of this really exciting stuff.
42:57
[UNKNOWN]: then not have any ambition at all in in a lot of ways this is kind of the opposite of the Mandalorian in grogu because that's a film that kind of aims really low.
43:08
[UNKNOWN]: It's a really zesty science fiction adventure, but there's not a lot on it's mind.
43:12
[UNKNOWN]: Mandalorian grogu isn't about much.
43:14
[UNKNOWN]: It's about family and that's kind of it.
43:16
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
43:17
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not particularly deep.
43:20
[UNKNOWN]: It's not going to enrich you or change your soul.
43:22
[UNKNOWN]: It's just going to be really entertaining.
43:24
[UNKNOWN]: This one has like a thesis of three different movies on its mind and is trying to tell them all really, really quickly.
43:32
[UNKNOWN]: And it gets a little choked up and a little too chaotic.
43:36
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost into hearing through certain portions.
43:41
[UNKNOWN]: But again, I would rather something
43:47
[UNKNOWN]: then boringly clear.
43:49
[UNKNOWN]: See, I feel like you're complaining that there's too much food at the buffet.
43:53
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and fair enough.
43:56
[UNKNOWN]: There's too much food on my plate.
43:57
[UNKNOWN]: And they gave me like, you know, the halibut with ice cream on it.
44:00
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, I like those, but if you like two dishes, they're not necessarily going to mix well.
44:04
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say this, I disagree with that.
44:06
[UNKNOWN]: I agree that maybe it gets a little bloated towards the end and maybe it could have been tightened up a little.
44:13
[UNKNOWN]: But I actually think that the chaos, I think that all of the elements that feel like they're kind of disparity, say it's like three different movies, three different ideas fighting each other.
44:24
[UNKNOWN]: I think what Boots Riley is saying is that all of these ideas, whether they seem directly connected or not, are directly connected, they're interconnected.
44:32
[UNKNOWN]: And when they all come together, they come together in this sort of massive conflict where and this is true, anytime you bring up any real-world issue that has a lot of different moving parts to it, everyone has their own fucking ideas, everyone has their own fucking values and everyone's fighting for them and yeah.
44:54
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't necessarily, like, it's in a nice, tidy movie, this would be very clean.
45:00
[UNKNOWN]: This would be very straightforward.
45:02
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we're actually saying that the world is chaos, but I think that after all of that chaos, after all of that bloat, after all of this wonderful creativity that maybe goes overboard, I think the actual conclusion of the narrative is so focused.
45:22
[UNKNOWN]: It's so simple.
45:23
[UNKNOWN]: All of these things that you were complaining about, every single one, and that you, the characters, like every single thing that was ruining your life, there's one thing that can be done and it will help literally everyone in the world.
45:43
[UNKNOWN]: it's actual practical advice.
45:45
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's what it was that it's all of this.
45:47
[UNKNOWN]: While this, you were just avoiding doing the one thing, we all should have been doing this whole time.
45:54
[UNKNOWN]: And once we do that, that's when things start to wrap up.
45:57
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's what it's about.
45:58
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's about how it all feels impossible and chaotic, but really it could be a lot simpler if we just focused on the baseline foundational
46:10
[UNKNOWN]: solution to the problems that we all face.
46:14
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's cool, and that's why I think that ending works.
46:16
[UNKNOWN]: But I appreciate, I do think it maybe it's a little blow to kind of trim the little.
46:21
[UNKNOWN]: But again, too much of a good thing.
46:23
[UNKNOWN]: Darn.
46:27
[UNKNOWN]: There's another movie.
46:28
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
46:28
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
46:29
[UNKNOWN]: Also that said, it's also one of my favorite movies this year.
46:32
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
46:33
[UNKNOWN]: I'm complaining about it's structure, but I want this kind of sloppiness.
46:37
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
46:39
[UNKNOWN]: There's a better version of this movie that maybe could have been tightened up in editing, or maybe with one more draft of a script.
46:46
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm not going to impune any of what it's doing.
46:50
[UNKNOWN]: I just think it does it too much.
46:53
[UNKNOWN]: with a little bit of a less not much of a focus.
46:56
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like a little kid was telling me a story and like forgot certain parts and kept on going back and explaining it really, and I kind of lost the threat after a while, but still that's an exhilarating experience.
47:06
[UNKNOWN]: It's an exhilarating experience.
47:07
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, you may move on.
47:08
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's an exhilarating experience, and I think there was another movie in theaters.
47:11
[UNKNOWN]: It opened the week before I loved boosters.
47:14
[UNKNOWN]: It was the episode we tried to record, but due to a bunch of life stuff I was completely incapable of it.
47:20
[UNKNOWN]: But it's open a week ago, or a little over a week ago now, and it is such a great double feature with Islo Boosters.
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[UNKNOWN]: One because these are relatively fresh directors, this film is directed by Alicia Harris, who is a playwright, who is making her directorial debut, but they're also just brimming with creativity, not just narratively but stylistically and they're very different films, but
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[UNKNOWN]: but I think they both represent these fantastic, genuinely fresh voices in the cinematic scene that are, they make me excited to go to the movies in a way that I have.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I know that they're both in theaters at the same time, super exciting.
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[UNKNOWN]: I hope everyone goes to see them both.
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[UNKNOWN]: I love boosted this is one of them.
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[UNKNOWN]: The other one is, is God is,
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... which is the story about two uh... twins they are played by hold on a uh... they're played by carry young and malery johnson carry young is also as a small role in i love boosters uh... and uh... when they were very little when they were little little kids uh... they're abusive father
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[UNKNOWN]: set them and their mother on fire.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they survived with heavy burn scars, but they survived, and they thought their mother was dead, but at the beginning of the movie, they find out she was alive.
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[UNKNOWN]: She summons them after all these years, they're both adults now.
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[UNKNOWN]: And she's barely hanging on.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's on her way out.
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[UNKNOWN]: And she says, I need you to murder your father.
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[UNKNOWN]: Is it the one that the her specific instruction is make your daddy dead?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and not only that, they're also given carte blanche to destroy his life first.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like you could do whatever you want.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: just yeah hurt hurt him however you wish uh and the god of the title that's the vivvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
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[UNKNOWN]: And then the anti-God, the devil, if you will, is their father, who's played by Sterling K. Brown, and a really fascinating sort of development, because they don't know where he is.
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[UNKNOWN]: They have the track him down, and they're not private detectives.
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[UNKNOWN]: They go on a road trip, and they're kind of freewheeling this, but they start following his path.
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[UNKNOWN]: and see other people that he has touched along the way, other women that he has manipulated and made obsessed with him to the extent that there is now a religion dedicated to him as a
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[UNKNOWN]: there are people who will stop at nothing to preserve his legacy, even though his legacy is evil.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is a film that is very, very specifically about evil men and the things that they do and the way that they're allowed to get away with it and the people who enable them, including their own victims.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they're, well, especially their own victims.
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[UNKNOWN]: What I found really fascinating about is God is was this, the way it explores the legacy and the power that abusers have over us.
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[UNKNOWN]: I find this to be particularly fascinating right now.
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[UNKNOWN]: Alicia Harris wrote the her original play of his got is in 2018 and she's making the movie version of it in 2026.
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[UNKNOWN]: What's happening in those years that we are sort of examining the power that abusers have that they can command entire cults?
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, guess what?
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[UNKNOWN]: This is Donald Trump moving.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's certainly part of, look, she's clearly looking at the landscape and seeing that bullies and abusers, people who are proven bullies and abusers are in positions of power.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, publicly openly known, bullies and abusers are the ones who are actually possessed of all the power.
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[UNKNOWN]: Alicia Harris is using ancient biblical language, revenge stories out of ancient Greek tragedy, and the aesthetics of 1970s, grindhouse, drive-in movies to essentially achieve some sort of aesthetic sense of justice in this unjust world.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's this.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's, yeah, that makes sense.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's
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[UNKNOWN]: No, it's so stunningly edited.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is such an incredible production.
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[UNKNOWN]: Her visual style, like it is easy to, certain very specifically certain elements are definitely pulled from sort of a low budget in your face history of violent cinema.
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[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely 100% and she has
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[UNKNOWN]: found the commonality in the sort of pure simplicity of those revenge films and those action movies and those terrifying melodramas, all of those things, and found like those are basically biblical tales, those are basically Greek tragedies.
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[UNKNOWN]: But you know, you say it's a Donald Trump movie and I think that's one definite way of looking at it, but by
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[UNKNOWN]: taking this narrative, this concept of abusive men, and two young women who until this exact moment were not violent people, like they would defend each other, like we see like one of them beaten up other kids because they made fun of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: One of them is, well, one of them is violent, but not a murderer.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a difference.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's like, I will beat some of them, protect my sister, and then I will plan a murder.
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[UNKNOWN]: Those are not necessarily
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, she knows, but she's really don't holy about this mission that she's I put this and this is this is when she gets an excuse This is when she's allowed to do that and What was I saying here like and this is this feels like it's just a long time coming and that's Sterling Cape Brown's character Who is off screen for the majority of the movie and when he finally shows them what a fucking scene What an incredible piece of writing that is it's certainly Cape Brown kills it.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's so brilliant but
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[UNKNOWN]: This is not new.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like we think it's a Trump movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not, it is a Trump movie, but it's also every horrible person throughout history, every dictator, every, like Greek icon who sacrificed his own daughter to the gods, every cruel Shakespearean villain, these are all people who are unapologetically awful,
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[UNKNOWN]: and yet or perhaps because of that yield a wheeled in enormous amount of power and yet and perhaps because of that are also magnetic because they do live outside of what we think of as society.
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[UNKNOWN]: They have this monstrous freedom that they just are unafraid to use and that's the thing with abusers.
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[UNKNOWN]: hard to believe they're actually doing it sometimes.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like we can't even process it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like Donald Trump is not to go back to him, but Donald Trump has done so many horrible things.
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[UNKNOWN]: Has been accused and found liable of these things.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he's done so many.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like the trench bull.
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[UNKNOWN]: You do enough bad things.
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[UNKNOWN]: Nobody can process all the things that you've done.
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[UNKNOWN]: You just literally can't keep them all in your head at the same time, and all of a sudden you find yourself treating them like a normal person.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can't do that.
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[UNKNOWN]: And there is a certain understanding of the psychological, uh, the psychological merceness of that, and the way that those people, uh,
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[UNKNOWN]: hold power and sway over us, whether we want them to or not, and yet there is also a very specific biblical clarity to it about what is evil and what it's not.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that doesn't always fall on, this isn't like, oh, murder is bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's way too simple for this movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's way too fucking simple for this movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: like well it it lives in the same realm as like a medieval or not a medieval like an Elizabethan revenge revenge tragedy which was like a popular genre at the time this idea that you are prompted to revenge and violence is now your the the thing that gives your life meaning and I think the the carrying character the Racine as the characters name is the one who sort
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[UNKNOWN]: Naya, the the Mallory Johnson character is the one who's a little bit more reluctant.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's a little bit more of the conscience and how they kind of have to keep each other in check while they push this really violent quest forward.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's, uh, and it all makes sense sort of within the context of sort of that genre.
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[UNKNOWN]: The film is very unreal.
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[UNKNOWN]: It takes place in this kind of surrealist unreality, which is great.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think that's fine.
56:36
[UNKNOWN]: It's not, it's not merely a surreal, really, as I love boosters, which isn't to say that it's not very surreal.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's as I love boosters is, again, Peewee's playhouse.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're not doing Peewee's playhouse, but there are things that are just, there's a certain, uh, uh, uh,
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, there are twins, and you know, a lot of people who are twins have a certain sort of general understanding of each other and they don't necessarily have to communicate verbally and as much depth sometimes people have their own kind of twins speak, I've heard about that.
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[UNKNOWN]: But these two are literally psychic and they'll have whole conversations and subtitles as they just look at each other.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's great.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's something that is just that just exists in this universe.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it all feels appropriate.
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[UNKNOWN]: it all feels of a piece and it and even though, you know, there's, there's a certain pastiche quality to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't feel like Alicia Harris is just doing what's been done before or repeating rhythm.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's finding a whole new language and that's exciting.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the presence of Vivek a Fox is probably going to make a lot of people think of Quentin Tardino, because she was in Kill Bill, which was another revenge film about a woman taking revenge against an abusive man.
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[UNKNOWN]: But Quentin Tardino's movies tend to be very adolescent in their setup.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're very, very immediate.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're very blood thirsty.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're this idea of
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[UNKNOWN]: uh we we we need to do like front here justice because that's the most um what's the term used thirst quenching yeah uh I think a lot of Tarantino Movers are satisfying but I would hesitate to call any of them deep even the ones he thinks are deep.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I feel like this avoids that kind of adolescent fantasy.
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[UNKNOWN]: This goes to something far more ancient, something far more primal.
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[UNKNOWN]: And far more just, this is about kind of righteous, righteous indignation.
58:40
[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like this, we're living in a world where Alicia Harris, a black woman, has these, the story about two young black women who are facing off against an abuser.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's very,
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[UNKNOWN]: Very salient and very up to the moment, but also reaching back through your generations It's it's really great.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's so good.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's really great.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a really incredible motion picture.
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[UNKNOWN]: I really It's obviously it's on it's not in like 3000 theaters As my understanding that some people have argued that they have for her bungled the release of it and that it should be in more Thaters and I don't disagree with that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it should be in theaters everywhere This is the kind of movie that I think
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[UNKNOWN]: needs to be championed and hopefully could speak all on its own.
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[UNKNOWN]: But if you hadn't heard of this movie or if you maybe saw the trailer and didn't know what's what.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's very intense movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's very dark movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of things in it that a lot of people might find upsetting to a degree that some people may be too sensitive for it.
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[UNKNOWN]: But if that's not your concern or if you think you can handle that, I think this is must-see cinema.
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[UNKNOWN]: I really do.
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[UNKNOWN]: This and I'll abuse there's somewhat similar in that they're both very exciting, relatively new filmmakers who have distinct visions that familiar elements, but have never really come together in this exact way before.
1:00:06
[UNKNOWN]: But other than that, they're two incredibly different movies, and they just make me so
1:00:11
[UNKNOWN]: happy that cinema as an art form can still surprise.
1:00:16
[UNKNOWN]: I love that.
1:00:17
[UNKNOWN]: We should move on because we still have a lot of movies.
1:00:19
[UNKNOWN]: There was a new horror movie.
1:00:22
[UNKNOWN]: that is or can can we move on to a session because this one links up to is got that's why the way is that I wanted to talk about that's exactly what I was saying it's a new horn movie it is called session and it is a plot wise it's very simple there is a very meek dude who can't bring himself to tell the squirrel that he's been friends with
1:00:42
[UNKNOWN]: for many, many years, that he's love with her and he would like to take the relationship to the next level.
1:00:47
[UNKNOWN]: When he completely whiffs it, he takes out a novelty item.
1:00:51
[UNKNOWN]: It's called a one-wish willow, it's fictional.
1:00:54
[UNKNOWN]: And the gag is, you buy it, you make a wish, and then he snap it in half, and then your wish comes true.
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[UNKNOWN]: And this guy, in his finite wisdom, wishes that she would love him more than anyone else in the world.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a kind of idol wish that I think loved the one people have made probably in their heads many times before.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, I love this person.
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[UNKNOWN]: I wish they'd love me back.
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[UNKNOWN]: Understandable.
1:01:21
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: But once you get to the actual, like, what if magically that was the wish, what you're doing is removing someone's free will and consent.
1:01:30
[UNKNOWN]: And the way that this wish manifests is literally basically taking over this young woman's mind.
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[UNKNOWN]: Possessing her forcing her to do things she doesn't want to do and making her So extremely co-dependent and so Extremely possessive and obsessed with the the the guy I made the wish that it turns very very horrible Very very quickly and again.
1:01:59
[UNKNOWN]: It's horrible on its face.
1:02:00
[UNKNOWN]: You'll take it away someone's consent, but yeah, it gets
1:02:10
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it's, and it's, this is a monkey paw film, you know, careful what you wish for.
1:02:15
[UNKNOWN]: I, I make a wish it does come true, but it comes with all this extra baggage.
1:02:19
[UNKNOWN]: The problem is the, uh, ironic twist, uh, it's a little twisted that, um, he has taken away this woman's free will and kind of forced her to love him.
1:02:28
[UNKNOWN]: He gets very close.
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[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, uh, at the same time, though, this is, that's not, um, what really happens.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not that he sort of,
1:02:38
[UNKNOWN]: subsumed her will so much as forced like a demon to possess her body.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's explained throughout the rules are a little unclear.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's explained later in the film that what he did was
1:02:54
[UNKNOWN]: like that there is like some otherworldly presence if this was like a little bit more insightful sort of about the nature of love and relationships, then the movie would have shown that you know she does fall in love with him, but she here to for had like a really unhealthy attachment style or she would really be a mentor of boyfriends, but then it makes it about her, they know it makes any then you might be able to make an argument that she was the bad guy and here she's definitely
1:03:26
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so what I mean it doesn't he all he I think that's the most
1:03:33
[UNKNOWN]: It's the move, but if you take that away, though, then there's no lesson for him, other than he suffers the fate of this demon that he summoned.
1:03:43
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:03:43
[UNKNOWN]: And the problem is, the movie was made by the filmmaker's named Curry Barker, and he's very young.
1:03:51
[UNKNOWN]: And you can tell he's young because he's trying to tell a story about the nature of an abusive relationship.
1:03:58
[UNKNOWN]: He, the young man wished that this girl would love him, took away her free will, but then she turns into an abuser.
1:04:06
[UNKNOWN]: And I find it very interesting that we have these two movies that came out in the same week that are about abusive relationships and the sort of ins and outs in the nature of it.
1:04:16
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the, the, uh, what is the, Nicky is the character's name, just played by Andy Navaratt.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's amazing in this.
1:04:26
[UNKNOWN]: She's great.
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[UNKNOWN]: She gives a good sort of monster performance.
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[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't see because she's not human anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: And she gives and Curry Barker's actually really good about placing the camera on her, putting these characters in really sort of scary situations.
1:04:39
[UNKNOWN]: He's great at he edited it himself and he's really good at constructing these good scare scenes and these good sort of wonderful shots of like her lurking the background or she just like pinhole lights out of her eyes or
1:04:53
[UNKNOWN]: a dude wakes up in the middle of the night and says, hey, what's going on?
1:04:57
[UNKNOWN]: She's just, oh, I just wanted to watch you sleep, you know, that kind of in that creepy way.
1:05:04
[UNKNOWN]: uh, but he is not delving into, um, at least not nearly as it's likely as something like his god is about the true nature of what it is to be in an abusive controlled relationship.
1:05:17
[UNKNOWN]: And the characters are too young to say anything intelligent about what's going on.
1:05:25
[UNKNOWN]: like a niki goes to a party at one point and she acts out and jacks very very strangely and everyone just sort of lets it slide or they just say okay that's a little awkward I think they're horrified but there's no another letter to the face I think they're horrified but they don't what to do
1:05:41
[UNKNOWN]: you know and and and someone does it's not just that they don't know what to do it's that they do nothing and but people do that they don't know what they're people are people are yes that I then I misspoke but there are people who just don't know or can't bring themselves
1:05:56
[UNKNOWN]: to interfere in a situation like that.
1:05:58
[UNKNOWN]: But I see a point, I see a point about how it's not really getting at the depth of the real world analog of this.
1:06:05
[UNKNOWN]: But for me, and I agree, I think this movie is too mature for its own good.
1:06:09
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's scary enough, and the execution is strong enough, that it gets away with it.
1:06:14
[UNKNOWN]: But I think ultimately what it is is,
1:06:18
[UNKNOWN]: a mean-spirited gloss over a concept then it is a truly great horror movie that understands everything that it's bringing up.
1:06:26
[UNKNOWN]: I agree with that.
1:06:27
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think that I feel like what's actually being done here and I don't know this is intentional or subconscious or they just let them do it.
1:06:35
[UNKNOWN]: Is I think you said yourself it's a monkey's palm of it.
1:06:40
[UNKNOWN]: It's a careful what you wish for movie.
1:06:43
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it just boils down to that wish.
1:06:46
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just the simple, a lot of horror movies, I've said this a million times.
1:06:52
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of horror movies begin with someone doing something they're not supposed to do, and then being punished a million times over for it.
1:06:59
[UNKNOWN]: My classic example is the hitcher, when a guy first, I think it's the first line of the movie, pulls his car over by the side of the road and says my mother told me never to do this.
1:07:09
[UNKNOWN]: And then he picks up a serial killer and he decides to completely destroy the guy's life.
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[UNKNOWN]: He gets punished a million times over for what is pretty minor sin or faux pas.
1:07:21
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this movie, because what he does is something that, again, people have done.
1:07:26
[UNKNOWN]: I wish, I've been loved with someone, I wish they were in love with me.
1:07:29
[UNKNOWN]: That feels like a very minor thing.
1:07:30
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this movie's intense judgment and hatred
1:07:36
[UNKNOWN]: of you for even idly wishing that because he didn't think that would work.
1:07:40
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't know that that worked.
1:07:42
[UNKNOWN]: It was just sort of like a, well, that's like pulling pedals off of a flower.
1:07:47
[UNKNOWN]: She loves me.
1:07:47
[UNKNOWN]: She loves me not.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, like, you don't think that's gonna work.
1:07:52
[UNKNOWN]: It's just something you do because you love Lauren, but the idea is that even wanting that is fucked up.
1:07:58
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that is, and again, there's not much to that, but I do think that is enough to carry this very short, very vicious, cruel movie.
1:08:07
[UNKNOWN]: And the other thing that I genuinely like about this movie and I do not know if this is intentional or not, but it's so specific I wouldn't be surprised.
1:08:17
[UNKNOWN]: I appreciate that this movie, in its construct, understands how fucked up Wonder Woman 1984 was.
1:08:27
[UNKNOWN]: Because Wonder Woman 1984, people who may not remember that movie, and you've pushed it out of your head, there was also about wishes that go wrong, which Yeah, which I don't think anybody even like pays any kind of mind to that I do because I'm a film critic But there's a very specific part of that movie that is very strange because in that movie people like I wish for Nuclear bombs, and then boom, blank, they exist, done.
1:08:50
[UNKNOWN]: The thing can do anything, right?
1:08:52
[UNKNOWN]: But
1:08:53
[UNKNOWN]: When Diana, the Wonder Woman wishes for the guy that she loved like 70 years ago at that point, who died in World War I.
1:09:03
[UNKNOWN]: When she wishes for him to be alive again,
1:09:07
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't just come back to life.
1:09:08
[UNKNOWN]: Apparently, it goes by Aladdin rules.
1:09:13
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I can't kill anybody.
1:09:15
[UNKNOWN]: I can't make him fall in love with you.
1:09:16
[UNKNOWN]: And this is, I can't bring anyone back from the dead, the conventional way.
1:09:20
[UNKNOWN]: So what they do is, instead of just bringing Chris Pineback, which they could have done, that would have been fine.
1:09:26
[UNKNOWN]: We all would have accepted it.
1:09:27
[UNKNOWN]: Instead, they say, no, Chris Pine took over a completely random guy's body.
1:09:35
[UNKNOWN]: against his will, he has no say in any of this.
1:09:39
[UNKNOWN]: And Diana is having an affair with this guy's possessed body.
1:09:43
[UNKNOWN]: She has sex with him, right?
1:09:46
[UNKNOWN]: And...
1:09:47
[UNKNOWN]: That's just seen as okay.
1:09:50
[UNKNOWN]: And no, that's a very weird elaborate thing that you did.
1:09:54
[UNKNOWN]: And if you imagine it from the perspective of that guy, it's deeply fucked up.
1:09:58
[UNKNOWN]: And in this movie, that's what happens as well.
1:10:01
[UNKNOWN]: I wish this person was that, I wish for the relationship that I want.
1:10:04
[UNKNOWN]: But I guess it can't just do love.
1:10:07
[UNKNOWN]: So the only thing it can do is have you possessed by some kind of obsessive demon.
1:10:13
[UNKNOWN]: But the horror of it is that the person he actually believed that he loved is not in conscious control of her body.
1:10:21
[UNKNOWN]: Every once in a while she is and she just looks horrified at everything she's done and he is physically done to her.
1:10:28
[UNKNOWN]: But we do find out at one point in the movie that she is conscious of what's happening.
1:10:34
[UNKNOWN]: She has no control of it, but she's conscious of it and that is fucking terrifying.
1:10:40
[UNKNOWN]: And that is what the guy Chris Pine possessed was going through in 1984 and that for me is like thank you someone else Saw how fucking weird that fucking movie was and how it did not have to meet you didn't have to make it weird You could have just been anyway
1:10:59
[UNKNOWN]: I don't love this movie, but I do find it to be very, very scary.
1:11:02
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think it's sort of an impressive, I don't think this is Curry Barker's first feature, I think I missed the first, but I do think this is a sign that here's someone who has a lot of innate talent.
1:11:14
[UNKNOWN]: I hope they grow as a storyteller and mature and can use
1:11:20
[UNKNOWN]: their ability to scare to get at something more interesting than it's because it's very superficial.
1:11:27
[UNKNOWN]: It's effective, but it's very superficial.
1:11:30
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I agree.
1:11:37
[UNKNOWN]: I wish I think Curry Barker needs to go out there and collect a little bit of life experience.
1:11:43
[UNKNOWN]: Frankly,
1:11:46
[UNKNOWN]: wanted to tell a really interesting story about the way relationships work and abusive relationships work and doesn't know anything about that.
1:11:56
[UNKNOWN]: And that was a...
1:12:00
[UNKNOWN]: It made the film just seem that much less mature than it could have been.
1:12:04
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
1:12:05
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's just that it's fucked up, but that's about all the understandings.
1:12:09
[UNKNOWN]: But interesting, interesting film.
1:12:12
[UNKNOWN]: Next up we have another deeply fucked up movie, but this one has a ton of depth, because this is the Spanish animated film Decorado.
1:12:24
[UNKNOWN]: Which comes from a filmmaker who has made two acclaimed motion pictures anime and motion pictures already Alberto Vasquez who directed Birdboy the forgotten children and a couple of years ago the extremely violent Unicorn Wars which I know about Unicorn Wars.
1:12:43
[UNKNOWN]: I actually never saw it actually this is my first Alberto Vasquez film and I need to catch up on his other works because Decorado is
1:12:53
[UNKNOWN]: pretty fucking great um it is an animated film it takes place in a very modern town everyone who lives in this town is an anthropomorphic something or other um there's uh i mean the early characters of bear right like a teddy bear there's a mouse i don't know why you remember that right it's because of the rounders um yeah he's uh he's an anthropomorphic mouse he's like he's got like uh
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[UNKNOWN]: friends who are like mushrooms and other types of rodents and all kinds of things and they all live in a pretty recognizable kind of urban areas rounded by a big forest and there is a giant corporation that controls everything though the everything but shoes corporation and freight and at the beginning of the movie our hero is
1:13:43
[UNKNOWN]: fucking miserable, like deeply depressed.
1:13:46
[UNKNOWN]: He cannot hold down a job.
1:13:47
[UNKNOWN]: He hasn't been employed in years.
1:13:50
[UNKNOWN]: His wife, long-suffering, is trying to make a living as a cartoonist, but she's barely doing it.
1:13:56
[UNKNOWN]: She herself, their relationship is extremely strange.
1:13:59
[UNKNOWN]: They have money problems up to here.
1:14:03
[UNKNOWN]: And on top of it all,
1:14:05
[UNKNOWN]: He is starting to experience a psychological phenomenon known as de-realization, which I know psychologist, but is my understanding, it basically means you feel like you're watching yourself from outside, that you're an observer of your own life.
1:14:18
[UNKNOWN]: You do not feel like a direct connection to what is happening to you.
1:14:21
[UNKNOWN]: And that starts to literally manifest itself as he begins becoming increasingly paranoid that he is being watched, he is being monitored, and that the world itself may actually be fake.
1:14:36
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
1:14:36
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:14:40
[UNKNOWN]: And the way this town is constructed is it's this little tiny city, everything's ever seen by this corporation, but it's surrounded by woods and the woods are protected by this gigantic vicious owl.
1:14:55
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like the one from this group is really huge.
1:14:58
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that will eat the rodents and and everything, everyone is really terrified of leaving this town and this owl is sort of this like specter of
1:15:09
[UNKNOWN]: Corporate oppression that sort of keeps you in one place and it prevents you from escaping everything about this movie all of the characters all of the symbols are about how your life is not your own A character does die, but he's still stuck there with them as ghost is just sort of floating around The part that really struck me and this is straight out of if you ever saw the TV series big mouth
1:15:35
[UNKNOWN]: And one of the characters is visited by the depression fairy, she is really trying to sort of make things work, but then starts to fall into a deep depression and that manifests as this outside being this little fairy that floats around and tells her that her life is valueless, which is what depression does to you.
1:15:56
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this film is incredibly insightful about the way depression functions.
1:16:03
[UNKNOWN]: I think it understands the way depression is just sort of like leaves such a deep gash on your soul, how awful it is.
1:16:15
[UNKNOWN]: And yet how inescapable it is and how a lot of this comes from within a lot of it comes from just sort of missing out on your own life and a lot of it comes from a
1:16:28
[UNKNOWN]: You're just sort of outside forces that you have no control over.
1:16:32
[UNKNOWN]: And it's difficult to articulate just because I think it is really true.
1:16:37
[UNKNOWN]: And almost an operatic way about those feelings, about those emotions, about that sadness that just hangs over everything.
1:16:45
[UNKNOWN]: Depression is particularly powerful because it convinces you that you're not just sad that you have
1:16:53
[UNKNOWN]: that you've unlocked what reality really is and that the reality is misery and your misery and that's what matters and obviously I'm being a little simplistic because of not a psychologist but I have depression.
1:17:05
[UNKNOWN]: I have been dealing with that for a very, very long time and I've been working through it and I've been doing therapy and all this gets stuff and I feel like I'm in a better place but so much of Decorado is like I don't think every
1:17:21
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, man, that's, that's what it's like.
1:17:23
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not literally an owl that leech it, but like, kind of is, and yeah.
1:17:30
[UNKNOWN]: And it's so, it's so potent, and it feels so, almost, here's like, it's, it's comical.
1:17:38
[UNKNOWN]: It's darkly comical, but in a way that is not fucking funny at all.
1:17:43
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the idea that life is a giant fucking depressing mean-spirited joke at your expense.
1:17:50
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:17:51
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:17:52
[UNKNOWN]: And it's absolutely riveting inside.
1:17:55
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:17:56
[UNKNOWN]: When you are that sad in the world, there is
1:18:04
[UNKNOWN]: the world stops feeling like it stops feeling real.
1:18:09
[UNKNOWN]: It stops feeling like there was anything there for you to even begin with.
1:18:15
[UNKNOWN]: Everything starts to warp and turn into the sort of surrealist landscape anyway.
1:18:19
[UNKNOWN]: I was reminded very much of Area Aster's film Bo is afraid, which I'm not sure if you ever saw it around to it now.
1:18:27
[UNKNOWN]: Which takes place essentially inside of a panic attack.
1:18:31
[UNKNOWN]: The entire movie, it's like nearly three hours long and the character is just constantly in a state of guilt and depression and panic and anxiety.
1:18:40
[UNKNOWN]: There's a scene early on where it leaves his apartment because he needs to take water with his drugs and he doesn't have water in his apartment.
1:18:47
[UNKNOWN]: And now he doesn't know what's going to do to him.
1:18:49
[UNKNOWN]: So he's already freaking out and he steps out of the apartment and somebody just runs up to him and says, help me help me help me help me help me And he doesn't even say what he needs help with.
1:18:56
[UNKNOWN]: He's just like right up in the guy's face.
1:18:58
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the tone of this whole movie.
1:19:00
[UNKNOWN]: And it's kind of lives inside that brain.
1:19:02
[UNKNOWN]: Decorado, it's an animated film.
1:19:04
[UNKNOWN]: And when you're depressed, the world turns into this kind of abstract version of itself.
1:19:10
[UNKNOWN]: It's astonishing how insightful this movie is about sadness while still living in this cutesy world of little animal people like it's cutesy and it's like
1:19:25
[UNKNOWN]: it's design, but once it's lived in it's horrifying.
1:19:29
[UNKNOWN]: And there's like a chunk of this movie where, you know, we see what it would be like to just let it go and give in and do everything society tells you to do and how that kind of looks like happiness, but it's not.
1:19:45
[UNKNOWN]: And all of it, the thing that's really, I think really,
1:19:51
[UNKNOWN]: Incredibly fascinatingly Blake about this film is that it understands depression.
1:19:56
[UNKNOWN]: It understands the lies of depression But it also is very cynical about the world Whether depression is involved or not and This leads to an overall point that the movie makes that is So satisfyingly unsatisfying
1:20:19
[UNKNOWN]: Because I don't think it's like, I don't think it's like necessarily like healthy for the viewer But I think it is illuminating for the viewer because this really is just like Man when you're this depressed this is what it this is this is how it feels Like you can come so close and then you fall so flat and
1:20:40
[UNKNOWN]: everything feels hopeless and bleak.
1:20:42
[UNKNOWN]: And it is the purview of this kind of cinema that you can live in hopeless bleak states of mind and get away with it.
1:20:55
[UNKNOWN]: I think almost any other movie you see someone depressed at the beginning of the movie they're going to be happy at the end.
1:21:00
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that sounds like a satisfying journey, right?
1:21:04
[UNKNOWN]: And that's true enough, that's the most movies where people are down at the beginning.
1:21:08
[UNKNOWN]: They're up at the end, at least a little bit.
1:21:10
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes they just die, and it's really, really terrible.
1:21:12
[UNKNOWN]: This movie is not that right.
1:21:15
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, the actual conclusion of this movie, I just sort of sat there kind of slack-jod.
1:21:24
[UNKNOWN]: Like,
1:21:26
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck you for that ending, but also that's the perfect ending.
1:21:28
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck.
1:21:29
[UNKNOWN]: I hate that that's the perfect ending.
1:21:30
[UNKNOWN]: I hate that that's the perfect ending Yeah, yeah, but it's so fucking good And I really need to track down this guy's other movies cuz
1:21:40
[UNKNOWN]: what a talent, what a distinct style and vision, and this barely squeaked into theaters.
1:21:48
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know what's still in theaters by the time we're reviewing it, but if the opportunity arises and you can handle something extremely bleak, and a lot of people do bleak wing is increasingly popular at cinemas.
1:21:58
[UNKNOWN]: It's coming up, coming up real soon.
1:22:01
[UNKNOWN]: This is absolutely what we're seeking out, and I'm not someone who usually likes bleak cinemas.
1:22:06
[UNKNOWN]: I can respect it, but I don't usually like it,
1:22:09
[UNKNOWN]: which man, I don't get that man, why not?
1:22:12
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'm depressed.
1:22:13
[UNKNOWN]: Movies are fantastic.
1:22:14
[UNKNOWN]: I'm already depressed.
1:22:16
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like, when you throw a lot of movies, some movies can get away with it because they're really, really insightful and have a lot of wisdom that come with them.
1:22:27
[UNKNOWN]: And so their bleakness doesn't feel naive or just cruel.
1:22:32
[UNKNOWN]: But some of them do.
1:22:33
[UNKNOWN]: Some of them feel like we're just throwing this at you.
1:22:36
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the opposite of pornography.
1:22:39
[UNKNOWN]: We're just trying to destimulate you as hard as we possibly can.
1:22:42
[UNKNOWN]: And that is the goal in and of itself.
1:22:46
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't need you to help me do that.
1:22:52
[UNKNOWN]: I've got that conference.
1:22:54
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I'm fine.
1:22:55
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I don't, I'm already, there's a good chance I'm already depressed going into the movie.
1:23:00
[UNKNOWN]: You don't need to help me out.
1:23:03
[UNKNOWN]: And but I think Decorado has so much complexity to it and such thoughtfulness behind even its cynicism, like it's extreme cynicism, that it truly gets away with it.
1:23:15
[UNKNOWN]: And even someone who doesn't only like that, like me, I can fully appreciate this when I think this is really amazing film.
1:23:21
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
1:23:22
[UNKNOWN]: The last film that we both watched is just not particularly good.
1:23:29
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the wizard of the Kremlin.
1:23:33
[UNKNOWN]: It is based on a novel that is a sort of fictionalized telling of
1:23:40
[UNKNOWN]: the fall of the USSR and then taken us through sort of the oligarchy era and then to the rise of Putin and how Putin and his lackeys manipulated media and sort of the
1:24:05
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, in fact, Vladimir Putin is nicknamed the Tsar.
1:24:09
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they call him behind the scenes.
1:24:13
[UNKNOWN]: It's about a character named Vadim Baranov, but that's a fictional character.
1:24:19
[UNKNOWN]: He's based on a real Russian operative named Vladislav Sorkov.
1:24:25
[UNKNOWN]: He's played by Paul Dano, who gives maybe one of his worst performance.
1:24:29
[UNKNOWN]: I think he says worst performance.
1:24:30
[UNKNOWN]: I can't think of a worse performance.
1:24:31
[UNKNOWN]: He's so barely there.
1:24:34
[UNKNOWN]: He, and Paul Danos is a good actor.
1:24:36
[UNKNOWN]: He can give some very understated roles.
1:24:38
[UNKNOWN]: He can give some very understated roles.
1:24:39
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a great form until he's usually amazing.
1:24:41
[UNKNOWN]: This is weird.
1:24:42
[UNKNOWN]: But here they give him, he was clearly directed, and this was done by Olivier Sias, which is really weird because he's a lot more interesting filmmaker than this.
1:24:54
[UNKNOWN]: He was clearly directing his actors to just sort of give very pat line readings.
1:25:00
[UNKNOWN]: Paul Daniel's voice doesn't really change a lot throughout this movie.
1:25:03
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really get what his, even though he's constantly explaining his motivations, I don't get like a lot of human character from this guy.
1:25:11
[UNKNOWN]: And the narrative that he walks us through is how we got from the Soviet Union to sort of the oligarchs of today.
1:25:19
[UNKNOWN]: And the idea was a lot of these old Soviet people who didn't have a lot of money, all of a sudden were thrust into this capitalist system where they could hoard wealth and they never got over it.
1:25:30
[UNKNOWN]: They just sort of are still excited to be getting money and they are using their wealth to sort of stay in power.
1:25:38
[UNKNOWN]: and manipulate the media to their will, turning these kinds of charismatic bullies into dictators again.
1:25:48
[UNKNOWN]: Putin actually doesn't show up until like maybe 45 minutes into this thing the book and material is Paul Thanos character narrating his story to this completely useless journalist character played by Jeffrey This is one of the worst and framing devices.
1:26:03
[UNKNOWN]: I've literally ever seen in a movie because Jeffrey and again these are great actors.
1:26:09
[UNKNOWN]: I think Paul Thanos is a great actor.
1:26:10
[UNKNOWN]: Jeffrey right is a great actor But here here is the setup
1:26:14
[UNKNOWN]: Jeffrey Wright is like a writer and like kind of like a professor at a college and he's visiting Russia to write a book about an old author who is more influential than people given credit for.
1:26:28
[UNKNOWN]: And Paul Danneau reaches out to him and says, Hey, I have a bit of memorabilia from that guy.
1:26:33
[UNKNOWN]: And Jeffrey Wright says, Okay, then he goes over to his house and then Paul Danneau
1:26:37
[UNKNOWN]: apropos of fucking nothing like that's not why you came you came here to talk about this fucking old book He's just like, and now let me tell you my entire life story with no interruptions and no insight And and it's kind of gonna be delivering it in the flatest fucking monotone I feel like he was told to play it understated and instead he was like
1:27:00
[UNKNOWN]: the part of the quailude before you turn manic like when it's making a real sleepy he just is so inert in this movie and I feel like you know he's supposed to be like quietly genius or or like you never quite know where you stand with him and no he's just dull he's a dull person Jude Law plays Putin in this
1:27:21
[UNKNOWN]: And sometimes he looks a lot like him to be fair.
1:27:24
[UNKNOWN]: But he's also, yeah, they got to make up in the hair.
1:27:27
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he looks about, right?
1:27:29
[UNKNOWN]: And yet I feel like he tries a little bit at first to sound like Putin, and then eventually he's just doing a lot.
1:27:36
[UNKNOWN]: he just gave up and it's not convincing anymore after that and it's it's really really frustrating but yeah and it's been after awhile it's just like a laundry list of bullet points and then this happened and then this happened and then we decided to manipulate social media to fuck with america and and there's no
1:27:56
[UNKNOWN]: There's no arc to it and I don't want to sound like, you know, like a film student who thinks there has to be a clean arc, but there's gotta be some kind of connective tissue otherwise it just feels like a bunch of stuff that happened and yeah, this is a big world events, but you're still telling the story from this guy's perspective, he started off as
1:28:15
[UNKNOWN]: Kind of not into a fascism and then got a little more into it.
1:28:20
[UNKNOWN]: He had a girlfriend played by Alicia Vicander, she left him later on, she comes back, good for them, I guess.
1:28:26
[UNKNOWN]: And that's kind of his story, like nothing really connects.
1:28:31
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels like
1:28:33
[UNKNOWN]: some movies just feel like a Wikipedia page that got a little out of hand and that's all this feels like yeah yeah it is it's really just a litany of facts and if they had made and at the point of like this mysterious it's called the wizard of the cremland this weird mysterious character they compare him to rest butan uh... this idea that he's manipulating that's all that you know what's happening
1:28:57
[UNKNOWN]: It also means that we're trying to like all of these disparate things in history can all now be tied together by this one guy But I don't get a sense that all of these things are kind of tying together It's just sort of this guy narrating all of this and he was happened to be in the room for a lot of that stuff Yeah, and while I found some of it kind of interesting this idea that he was part of this growing Bohemian scene during the fall of
1:29:23
[UNKNOWN]: the Soviet Union and personally I was there for the fall of the Soviet Union and my sister happened to be an exchange student in the Soviet Union during the coup.
1:29:34
[UNKNOWN]: So I actually got to go visit her shortly after the fall and I was there to see what Russia was like and
1:29:41
[UNKNOWN]: say you're the financial crisis and the poverty and how difficult it was to get food at the time.
1:29:45
[UNKNOWN]: It was actually like a pretty, I was 12.
1:29:48
[UNKNOWN]: So all of that was really exciting to me just to see all of these world events happening.
1:29:53
[UNKNOWN]: You turn the corner and there's a tank and that's kind of shocking.
1:29:57
[UNKNOWN]: And this movie has none of that excitement except in some of those early scenes where we get to see what the art scene was like what like how this is affecting larger Russian and world culture and eventually they just start talking in fascist terms for the glory of the country and it turns these
1:30:17
[UNKNOWN]: vital evil people in the world right now into just sort of mouthpieces for headlines yeah it's just I I Like if you if that makes sense like you're just repeating yeah stuff you already know you want to tell me that the worst people in the world
1:30:35
[UNKNOWN]: Don't have rich inner lives.
1:30:37
[UNKNOWN]: I believe you.
1:30:39
[UNKNOWN]: I'm and I firmly believe that people like Donald Trump or Pete Heggsads are all these like just to use American examples are probably not very self reflective and probably don't have a lot of awareness of
1:30:54
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the sort of inner depths of their soul and how they became the way they are.
1:30:57
[UNKNOWN]: I believe that, but it is the film maker's job to understand that.
1:31:01
[UNKNOWN]: And even if they withhold stuff, it still has to be in service of our illumination.
1:31:07
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I don't feel like I learned anything that I couldn't have learned from either a better documentary about this and I've watched a few or again, just a Wikipedia page.
1:31:20
[UNKNOWN]: You can get the gist and this movie ultimately gives you the gist.
1:31:24
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't really tell you what it feels like.
1:31:27
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what must it feel like to work for Putin?
1:31:31
[UNKNOWN]: That must be very weird.
1:31:33
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that must be very frightening and destabilizing.
1:31:37
[UNKNOWN]: Who the fuck knows what he's gonna do at this point?
1:31:39
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he's all powerful and he's just truly a bizarre guy.
1:31:43
[UNKNOWN]: And he'll do terrible things and he orders people murdered and framed for crimes they didn't commit.
1:31:48
[UNKNOWN]: And exiled and all of these things, like that's gotta be an incredibly nerve-wracking
1:31:56
[UNKNOWN]: work environment, and then we have Paul Danna just going, yes, and then I told them to take that puppet show off the air.
1:32:07
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think another sort of fault of making this movie now is that Vladimir Putin is still in power.
1:32:16
[UNKNOWN]: We saw the way it happened.
1:32:18
[UNKNOWN]: We learned the fate of the character.
1:32:21
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, where he went after you know, sort of Putin was in power and sort of took the reins of everything.
1:32:30
[UNKNOWN]: But we're not, we're not far enough away from all of these events to have any kind of perspective on them.
1:32:36
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, we know that Russia was manipulating American social media to make us all crazy.
1:32:42
[UNKNOWN]: I find it weird that Donald Trump isn't mentioned that much in this movie when he's clearly sort of at the heart of a lot of the Putin story.
1:32:51
[UNKNOWN]: At the very least the last third of this movie feels like that would be way more relevant.
1:32:56
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, at least bring that up, you know, that's a very word relationship man, but but
1:33:05
[UNKNOWN]: because we don't have distance because we don't have perspective.
1:33:08
[UNKNOWN]: We're just sort of telling you how we got to where we are.
1:33:10
[UNKNOWN]: And that's, but we already know how we got to where we are.
1:33:13
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like blowing the lid off of anything.
1:33:15
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just a boring film.
1:33:17
[UNKNOWN]: It's a genuinely dull motion picture experience.
1:33:20
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I would never walk out of a movie in a theater if I was going to review it.
1:33:28
[UNKNOWN]: And I would do say this though if I was watching this at home
1:33:36
[UNKNOWN]: I definitely would have fallen asleep.
1:33:40
[UNKNOWN]: I absolutely would have nodded off 40 minutes into this movie if not sooner.
1:33:44
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, there's a little bit at the beginning where things are bohemian and there's a little bit of energy and then it's death.
1:33:52
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a boring ass movie and it doesn't really not anything and it's not even like to at least there's some great performance of like Alicia Fakander is completely wasted in this.
1:34:02
[UNKNOWN]: No, she shows up in a couple of seconds.
1:34:03
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she has nothing to be the woman that he once dated once.
1:34:06
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not like she was like lost love or something or you'll provide it some kind of different definition for us.
1:34:13
[UNKNOWN]: She's just sort of there.
1:34:14
[UNKNOWN]: She's such a great actor.
1:34:15
[UNKNOWN]: And it is such a bummer that I guess either this is the best she could do or she just wasn't busy for those two weeks.
1:34:24
[UNKNOWN]: But like either way, and then she deserves better than this.
1:34:26
[UNKNOWN]: This is a waste of
1:34:28
[UNKNOWN]: pretty much everyone's talent here honestly I can't think of the person who's doing any of their best work or even remotely It's a it's a total wash in a way that it's I'm an interesting wash so I want to move on All right, so I talk a couple movies you saw a documentary.
1:34:43
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna talk about the biggest release The kick-a-soft that we haven't talked about yet.
1:34:47
[UNKNOWN]: This is a horror movie called passenger
1:34:50
[UNKNOWN]: It is from director Andre Overdall who his first couple of movies were really great.
1:34:55
[UNKNOWN]: I think troll hunter, which was a found footage movie about a documentary crew following a guy who's responsible for keeping like the Netherlands troll population under check, you know, like 50 foot troll wandering around the woods got him, oh no, and he's sick.
1:35:15
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, I have to deal with this, but it's just like a common problem in Norway.
1:35:19
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's such a great movie, and it's really, really fun, and sometimes it's very scary, and it's one of the better found footage horror movies, I think, and he followed that up with a truly exceptional, very frightening film called The Autopsie of Jane Doe starring Brian Cox
1:35:40
[UNKNOWN]: who are running an autopsy in a mysterious woman who is found at a crime scene.
1:35:45
[UNKNOWN]: And the autopsy keeps revealing scarier and scarier shit.
1:35:50
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's really, really great concept and it's super duper frightening and that movie is great.
1:35:54
[UNKNOWN]: He followed that with scary stories to tell on the dark, which
1:35:58
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty good.
1:35:59
[UNKNOWN]: I like that one.
1:36:00
[UNKNOWN]: I think the captures the tone.
1:36:01
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think the, I don't think the kind of great way to sort of bring all the stories together, but it does, like it's certainly very scary looking and that's a good.
1:36:10
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's got great, great visuals.
1:36:12
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great Halloween watch.
1:36:13
[UNKNOWN]: Put it on a slumber party, you'll be scared and you'll be fine.
1:36:16
[UNKNOWN]: And then I feel like he's been kind of struggling for a bit, excuse me.
1:36:22
[UNKNOWN]: His last movie was the last voyage of the, of the
1:36:26
[UNKNOWN]: which had been production of the health for like, which was bad.
1:36:29
[UNKNOWN]: Is it the Velman Health for like, well over a decade.
1:36:32
[UNKNOWN]: And as an e-promise, basically there's that bit in Dracula, where Dracula travels by ship from Transylvania to England, and when the ship arrives at Port, everyone is dead.
1:36:46
[UNKNOWN]: So what happened?
1:36:47
[UNKNOWN]: That's a whole movie right there.
1:36:48
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what happened on the ship?
1:36:48
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a whole movie right there.
1:36:50
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's a neat idea, and it is surprisingly uninteresting.
1:36:55
[UNKNOWN]: which is weird, because I think he's a very creative horror filmmaker a lot of the time.
1:37:00
[UNKNOWN]: What I'm finding with Andro over a doll is because I've seen Troll Hunter and I saw scary stories and I saw a demeanor.
1:37:08
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't see his film more than I didn't see the the autopsy.
1:37:11
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't see mortal life.
1:37:12
[UNKNOWN]: I was going to get to.
1:37:15
[UNKNOWN]: but he's he's a stylist first and foremost he just likes to put the camera an interesting place is and find interesting visuals but until he has sort of the means to do so or if he has if he doesn't have the inspiration he's going to give you something completely boring and that's what um
1:37:36
[UNKNOWN]: That's what the last voyage of the Demeter was, neat concept, but he doesn't really know how to, I think it wasn't really engaged, just felt so, um, just so disinterested.
1:37:48
[UNKNOWN]: Well, anyway, that's also, that's also passenger.
1:37:51
[UNKNOWN]: Um, passenger has, uh, basically you know like when you leave the haunted mansion at Disneyland and you look at the mirror and said, but where of hitchhiking ghosts, it's basically that.
1:38:02
[UNKNOWN]: uh... we follow to people there couple uh... they have abandoned their cartoonishly gigantic new york apartment to instead get themselves a fancy van not like a win a big a but a van uh... and then drive around america live in the van life which i which i found out is a thing
1:38:26
[UNKNOWN]: Good for them, I guess.
1:38:27
[UNKNOWN]: I don't actually have anything invested in that, but good for them.
1:38:31
[UNKNOWN]: But along the way, they stop at someone like, whizzes by them, and this has to do with sort of an independent prologue about some other characters.
1:38:39
[UNKNOWN]: But someone whizzes by them, gets in a huge car accident.
1:38:42
[UNKNOWN]: They stop at the car accident to see if they're okay.
1:38:45
[UNKNOWN]: And while they're there, they pick up the ghosts that killed that guy.
1:38:50
[UNKNOWN]: Not intentionally.
1:38:51
[UNKNOWN]: Not intentionally.
1:38:52
[UNKNOWN]: Like, hey, come on, give us a ride.
1:38:53
[UNKNOWN]: It's like they don't know that this goes his life to itself onto them.
1:38:56
[UNKNOWN]: And now it is.
1:38:57
[UNKNOWN]: And now they're driving across the country.
1:38:59
[UNKNOWN]: The ghost is doing scary stuff at night.
1:39:04
[UNKNOWN]: there's a ghost in their car and sometimes outside the car and it takes them quite a while they're like sort of latch on to like what we already know because it's pretty obvious from the outset which is fine you know I don't expect characters in a horror movie to instantly assume they're in a horror movie unless that's the type of movie it is um yeah
1:39:23
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, under overdog can get a few scare scenes out of that, but ultimately it's like, oh, we, is there a ghost?
1:39:30
[UNKNOWN]: Well, one of us thinks there's a ghost and another one does, and then, oh, no, this one thinks there is a ghost.
1:39:34
[UNKNOWN]: And now we're running from the ghost, but the ghost is with us.
1:39:37
[UNKNOWN]: And then Melissa Leo shows up and says, here's the, yeah, she's the get.
1:39:42
[UNKNOWN]: In love these horror movies where there's one good get and it's like, oh, that's a Leo.
1:39:46
[UNKNOWN]: She was available that day.
1:39:47
[UNKNOWN]: That's nice.
1:39:48
[UNKNOWN]: And she gives them the extra they should dump and tell them how to deal with it.
1:39:51
[UNKNOWN]: And then that's the movie.
1:39:52
[UNKNOWN]: It's extremely straightforward.
1:39:56
[UNKNOWN]: And, unfortunately, the lead actors aren't particularly interesting.
1:40:01
[UNKNOWN]: Their characters are extremely underwritten.
1:40:04
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's almost nothing to them, which is very unfortunate.
1:40:06
[UNKNOWN]: It gives them almost nothing to work with.
1:40:10
[UNKNOWN]: The one, it's not really a saving grace, but the one thing that keeps this from being just dullsville is that Andre Ovidall clearly knows that if this movie is gonna work at all, the scare sequences had better have some novelty to them.
1:40:23
[UNKNOWN]: So there's a couple of good ones.
1:40:27
[UNKNOWN]: There's the one I like best is there is a scene where the guy, her fiance, is trying to be really romantic.
1:40:36
[UNKNOWN]: And so he has,
1:40:39
[UNKNOWN]: they like parked in the woods at night and he is set up like a screen and a digital projector and they're going to watch Roman holiday like it's like a drive-in movie just the two of them.
1:40:53
[UNKNOWN]: That's really romantic.
1:40:54
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of nice.
1:40:54
[UNKNOWN]: It's a perfect movie.
1:40:58
[UNKNOWN]: Unconnected to anything that we're watching thematically, but whatever who cares But then the ghost starts fucking with them, and then under a little something I've never seen this in a movie.
1:41:07
[UNKNOWN]: This is neat All they pick up the projector and they use it as a flashlight
1:41:15
[UNKNOWN]: So they're waving, robin' hall of the trigger.
1:41:17
[UNKNOWN]: So you see, like, like, Gregory Peck's face like projected onto some trees.
1:41:24
[UNKNOWN]: And then you see a ghost behind Gregory Peck.
1:41:26
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, oh, say that's, that's me, right?
1:41:30
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that was really, really good.
1:41:31
[UNKNOWN]: I've been giving a lot of credit for that.
1:41:32
[UNKNOWN]: That sequence was really, really cool.
1:41:34
[UNKNOWN]: I have not seen that one before.
1:41:36
[UNKNOWN]: And when you've seen these kinds of things, you've got to see them all.
1:41:38
[UNKNOWN]: So that's cool.
1:41:40
[UNKNOWN]: and also like they're they're using cinema to explore the genre they're in like there's a medical and it's really really cool there's a few fun ideas that are sprinkled throughout but there's not enough of them and they don't really cohere um and I feel like what he's trying to do or what or what the screen read it was trying to do and certainly what the the studio would like is I feel like they're trying to come up with a new bookie man
1:42:02
[UNKNOWN]: Right, like, yeah, you could get a bunch of things out of this.
1:42:06
[UNKNOWN]: That's always the hope.
1:42:07
[UNKNOWN]: This is like, uh, this is going to be a franchise.
1:42:10
[UNKNOWN]: We want, um, we want this ghost to stand out.
1:42:14
[UNKNOWN]: We want it to be the new monster.
1:42:15
[UNKNOWN]: And like, like, at the end of the movie, it seems like all, you know, that that ghost may be defeated, but it's a horror movie.
1:42:19
[UNKNOWN]: So who gives a shit they can always come back?
1:42:21
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the ghost is not a smartly constructed monster because, okay, the premises hitchhiking ghost, great.
1:42:32
[UNKNOWN]: simple.
1:42:32
[UNKNOWN]: We can all understand that.
1:42:34
[UNKNOWN]: They latch on to you.
1:42:35
[UNKNOWN]: But all of the little details about it don't really track.
1:42:39
[UNKNOWN]: Like, um,
1:42:41
[UNKNOWN]: the ghost when it latches onto your car.
1:42:44
[UNKNOWN]: It scratches three lines into your car.
1:42:47
[UNKNOWN]: And what they discover is that that's Hobo code.
1:42:50
[UNKNOWN]: And if you don't know what that is, the people who would sort of wander America without a home in like the early 20th century maybe before then, they had a series of symbols that they would leave behind them or scratch into things as just sort of a,
1:43:09
[UNKNOWN]: a code for other people who were hobos and one of them was like three lines.
1:43:14
[UNKNOWN]: This is real.
1:43:15
[UNKNOWN]: Three lines means you're in danger.
1:43:19
[UNKNOWN]: Get out basically.
1:43:21
[UNKNOWN]: This is not a safe place to be.
1:43:23
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, why would the monster warn them?
1:43:30
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, unless it's explained later that the monsters like teasing them, it's like a Freddie Kruger or something like teasing.
1:43:37
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's just, it's just a thing that like, I equated in my review to like Michael Myers hiring a skyrider over hadn't feel to say teenagers stay indoors.
1:43:46
[UNKNOWN]: It's like,
1:43:49
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's not hope that that's outside of your motive.
1:43:53
[UNKNOWN]: It's very strange.
1:43:54
[UNKNOWN]: Well, well, how many hitchhiking ghosts were there?
1:43:56
[UNKNOWN]: Was there a benevolent ghost?
1:43:58
[UNKNOWN]: We only saw the one.
1:43:59
[UNKNOWN]: We only saw the one.
1:44:00
[UNKNOWN]: We find out a bit of the backstory about it and has something to do with St. Christopher, which is why it's Kryptonite is a St. Christopher Medallion, which, of course, you can buy it, like any truck stop.
1:44:12
[UNKNOWN]: And there is a cute scene where they like buy all of them.
1:44:15
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like, we like to buy these 50 St. Christopher medallions.
1:44:18
[UNKNOWN]: The Avenue in the back, but again, it's basically just like a cross on a vampire.
1:44:24
[UNKNOWN]: It's not very interesting.
1:44:25
[UNKNOWN]: And then also he wears priests outfit, like a priests, whatever you call, investments or whatever.
1:44:32
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, like a little bit.
1:44:34
[UNKNOWN]: And that was an interesting Christopher thing, but it doesn't actually track with anything else.
1:44:37
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels like you haven't really thought out.
1:44:41
[UNKNOWN]: this monster very well.
1:44:43
[UNKNOWN]: You haven't really thought out all of the pieces so that it just kind of feels like a jumble of stuff.
1:44:50
[UNKNOWN]: And everything that we learn about, it starts feeling really arbitrary and that's harder to take it seriously.
1:44:55
[UNKNOWN]: And it doesn't work.
1:44:56
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't work.
1:44:57
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's it's
1:44:59
[UNKNOWN]: Not very interesting.
1:44:59
[UNKNOWN]: I think you could probably if your standards for a horror movie were quite low and all you wanted to do was sit in the theater with your sweetie pie and go, ah, every once in a while this movie can probably get you where you're going but I think that's an incredibly low-bomb and I think there are lots of better movies that could do that very easily and this is just not really good one.
1:45:23
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, why don't you tell me about Marty Life is short.
1:45:26
[UNKNOWN]: That's going to be a different direction.
1:45:28
[UNKNOWN]: OK. Well, this one, this one's not going to take too long.
1:45:31
[UNKNOWN]: This is the most recent and a long spate of feature films we've had documentary films about a lot of comedy figures from the 1980s.
1:45:45
[UNKNOWN]: Um, or like came to the prominence of the 1980s there's a recent film about John Candy.
1:45:50
[UNKNOWN]: There was a two part documentary about Paul Rubin.
1:45:53
[UNKNOWN]: Race documentary.
1:45:54
[UNKNOWN]: A little bit of that.
1:45:55
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:45:56
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:45:57
[UNKNOWN]: There's I think there's one about Eddie Murphy right now.
1:46:01
[UNKNOWN]: there's there was one about chubby chase and what about what a dickhead is I mean even beyond that Charlie Sheen had a docu series as well a lot of those famous people are just We're just getting down the list everyone gets one Yeah, we're kind of like we're dissecting a lot of our our our
1:46:20
[UNKNOWN]: culture and we're a lot of our comedy came from and what are we're entertainers came from and I think taken as a whole maybe we could see them as this sort of grand deconstruction of sort of coat notions of fame and how we view famous people.
1:46:35
[UNKNOWN]: Marty Life is short is the documentary about Martin Short.
1:46:39
[UNKNOWN]: It's directed by Lawrence Cazden who worked with Martin Short before.
1:46:43
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the pedigree.
1:46:46
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and what did he work out with my learn of art?
1:46:48
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a little short with Lauren's dancing.
1:46:50
[UNKNOWN]: He was done with my shorting.
1:46:52
[UNKNOWN]: He was in a mumford, he was a mumford.
1:46:57
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember that at all.
1:47:00
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Martin Short, like he wasn't one of the major players, but yeah, I had to get a bit in a mumford.
1:47:05
[UNKNOWN]: He was also in like one, I wasn't aware of.
1:47:12
[UNKNOWN]: Well, anyway, I'll look at what you do this.
1:47:14
[UNKNOWN]: He saw it every day.
1:47:15
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah.
1:47:15
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
1:47:18
[UNKNOWN]: What we learned about Martin Short is just sort of how he came to be.
1:47:22
[UNKNOWN]: Now Martin Short is pretty universally beloved.
1:47:25
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think anybody hates Martin Short.
1:47:27
[UNKNOWN]: I've never heard anyone say I don't kind of wait about Martin Short.
1:47:31
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah and he came up through the Canadian comedy scene.
1:47:34
[UNKNOWN]: He was part of a CTV.
1:47:36
[UNKNOWN]: He always felt like a little bit of an outsider, even though it was very much an insider.
1:47:40
[UNKNOWN]: He was in with all of these people.
1:47:43
[UNKNOWN]: I think because he was always kind of the last through the door as it were.
1:47:47
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, you know, his best friend Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Harrand, all of these people, you know, Dave Thomas kind of made their way into the scene.
1:47:56
[UNKNOWN]: maybe like two days before he did.
1:47:59
[UNKNOWN]: So he always felt like a little bit of an outsider.
1:48:02
[UNKNOWN]: He was the energetic cookie little guy.
1:48:06
[UNKNOWN]: And this movie is about how he just sort of did it.
1:48:12
[UNKNOWN]: uh... now you want to let these documentaries in your waiting for sort of like the secrets to come out or what the struggles really were what what what made his life extraordinary and what we learned about martin short is that he was just a joyful guy uh... and uh... you know he met his wife when they were sort of working together on sort of the Canadian comedy scene uh... and how uh...
1:48:41
[UNKNOWN]: he and his wife just sort of got along and she really adored him and they had a really good marriage and Catherine O'Hara tells her really fantastic story about how she and her husband she was still in this.
1:48:52
[UNKNOWN]: She passed away like almost a media laughter making this movie.
1:48:58
[UNKNOWN]: uh... she was talking about how she and her husband were going through a bit of a rocky period and they were going to couples counseling and the couples counselor said what couples do you know uh... that you can point to who you think actually are doing well and they pointed to martin shortness wife and the therapist actually said do you know how many people have said that to me
1:49:19
[UNKNOWN]: that Martin Short and his wife are like the ideal couple because evidently that's what they were.
1:49:24
[UNKNOWN]: The drama in their life is she had some sort of medical issue where she couldn't get pregnant.
1:49:31
[UNKNOWN]: And so they adopted three kids and they were great parents to these three kids.
1:49:36
[UNKNOWN]: Martin Short also kind of proves this weird theory.
1:49:39
[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people have that everyone in Hollywood kind of nose each other and they all hang out all the time.
1:49:47
[UNKNOWN]: because that's what Martin short did he did he did well enough that he could afford to live it like he'd like you had a house by a late and he would invite over Steve Martin and Dave Thomas and Kurt Russell and all of the and Martin, you know, Catherine, I hear all of these people would just sort of come over and they'd have these big Christmas parties and they just hang out and tell anecdotes and go on and tell the famous together.
1:50:13
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I want to go to one of Martin Short's Christmas parts.
1:50:16
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to see a movie that's just about that party Nothing has to happen.
1:50:21
[UNKNOWN]: Which one?
1:50:22
[UNKNOWN]: They did it every other thing nothing has to happen in it just like just everyone is fun And everyone has a good time and then they leave and that's it.
1:50:29
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't need a lot of stuff to have I just want to hang out with Steve Martin and Martin Short and Catherine of here and Kurt Russell.
1:50:34
[UNKNOWN]: Who doesn't yeah?
1:50:35
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:50:36
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:50:36
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who you get to like there is a funny
1:50:40
[UNKNOWN]: there's a funny bit where and because they're just they're hanging out and they like movies and they're just being funny together, Martin Short has never not once for a single second in his life been off.
1:50:52
[UNKNOWN]: He's always on.
1:50:54
[UNKNOWN]: He's always ready with a joke.
1:50:56
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to dance and be funny and be loud.
1:50:58
[UNKNOWN]: Even when he was beset by sad things in his life, he always tried to be up.
1:51:03
[UNKNOWN]: He always and he always on camera saying, you know, Dan happens to all of us, but we just
1:51:08
[UNKNOWN]: uh... some of the sad things that happened is life when he was young his older brother uh... passed away was killed in an accident and he tells us really sweet story about how he was a little got like little guy and he would climb into his big brother's bed and they kind of cutled and members that
1:51:24
[UNKNOWN]: uh... he remembers a losing his mother his mother died when he was also a child and that was really tough for him and then of course the biggest tragedy was when his wife died of cancer in twenty ten and how he lost sort of the love of his life and how he's uh... the rumor now is that he's dating moral street got i hope that's true love of his life but he's found some new lot of it and i hope he found it what what a cool power couple that is
1:51:49
[UNKNOWN]: Right, Martin Short and Meryl Streets, I don't really stick and she's better than really murderers in the building.
1:51:53
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I don't really follow gossip, but that's one of those ones where I was just like, that would be nice.
1:52:00
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're both of them.
1:52:02
[UNKNOWN]: Right, that's a nice good for them.
1:52:03
[UNKNOWN]: I hope that's true.
1:52:04
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I barely, they're at least really good friends, which is nice, but um, yeah.
1:52:08
[UNKNOWN]: So it's it's this really sweet experience.
1:52:11
[UNKNOWN]: We're learning all about Martin Short and how he's you know very very funny and he's always been very funny I guess the big struggle for him is that few of his films.
1:52:20
[UNKNOWN]: We're like big hit Even the ones you like like something like inner space that wasn't a huge hit.
1:52:27
[UNKNOWN]: It was a Biggest movie three amigos was ahead and that's kind of it.
1:52:31
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a big hit like I feel like Martin Short is one of those guys who like a lot of his most popular stuff was TV
1:52:39
[UNKNOWN]: And then his the movie stuff people liked were usually like small memorable roles in someone else's movie Like his wedding planner and the father of the bride remakes is Yeah, it's a case stereotype, but he's still a very funny sweet character and I think he really I think he really stands out And he's just one of the things people love about those movies
1:53:01
[UNKNOWN]: So, but yeah, no, I don't know why he never really clicked.
1:53:05
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, maybe there's never found the right, like instrument for him.
1:53:08
[UNKNOWN]: I do remember, did you ever see that movie?
1:53:10
[UNKNOWN]: He was in Clifford, where he played like a little boy.
1:53:13
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't see.
1:53:15
[UNKNOWN]: He played a 10-year-old boy, and yeah, I never actually saw a clip or a weird fucking film.
1:53:19
[UNKNOWN]: He plays like, so 10-year-old boy, and the whole thing is, he's just like sitting on his knees and they just film him from that height, or they're always at the camera looking down at him, and that's it.
1:53:29
[UNKNOWN]: He still looks 40, like he just never, he just has a perpetually young-looking guy, but like he never looks convincing.
1:53:36
[UNKNOWN]: And the whole thing is that Charles Groden,
1:53:39
[UNKNOWN]: hate him and that's the whole movie and I know people who think that's the funniest movie ever made and there's a couple of bits that are really funny But man, I think that movie is death.
1:53:52
[UNKNOWN]: I think that movie is so hard to watch But I love our story.
1:53:56
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking through his
1:53:58
[UNKNOWN]: down looking through some of his films he actually was in a few hits just sort of in supporting roles uh... he played uh... hit a voice in the most recent animated version of the items family that one made a lot of more
1:54:12
[UNKNOWN]: uh... like he he was in like frankie wini which did okay he was in one of the sandcloths movies and those all he has been a play like jack frost or something in one of those i didn't see play jadden for all i mean uh... they kind of go into his philosophy of comedy which is to create a funny character that's sort of the groundling school he wasn't one of the groundlings but he kind of like adopted that philosophy so that's where uh... ed grimly uh... came into being if you're a man who has never been alive i love that
1:54:41
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he explains a little bit of like the origin of that in Greenway and how he kind of invented that character for a sketchy was doing with Catherine O'Hara and how Catherine O'Hara kept breaking because he was so funny.
1:54:56
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and it's also where one of his more enduring characters came from a gym in a glick.
1:55:01
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:55:02
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, this fake Hollywood reporter who would get everything wrong and just insult celebrities.
1:55:10
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:55:10
[UNKNOWN]: To the point where some celebrities didn't even recognize that it was Martin Schroer.
1:55:13
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:55:13
[UNKNOWN]: That was really fun.
1:55:14
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:55:16
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they showed a few of his bit of his interview with Bill Hader.
1:55:21
[UNKNOWN]: You should look that up at some point because Bill Hader cannot keep a straight face.
1:55:24
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, that's when he's being interviewed by Jiminy Glick.
1:55:27
[UNKNOWN]: And Jiminy Glick is this fantastic outside scare.
1:55:30
[UNKNOWN]: I, I was, there was even a Jiminy Glick movie and I didn't see it.
1:55:33
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't see that one.
1:55:34
[UNKNOWN]: I, I will say this.
1:55:35
[UNKNOWN]: A big morning short fan.
1:55:37
[UNKNOWN]: And
1:55:39
[UNKNOWN]: I find it so reassuring, I think if every documentary was like this, they would get old real fast, but at least from an audience perspective, but on principle, I find it so reassuring to know that there is at least some celebrity out there, like there's a few who are just nice.
1:55:58
[UNKNOWN]: They're just nice people, they're more sure best, and they're pretty cool, you know?
1:56:03
[UNKNOWN]: That's what that's incredibly reassuring, I guess you're so much hope, because you're so
1:56:09
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, first of all, Martin Short is Canadian and Canadians, the stereotype about Canadians is that they're nice and he's not fighting.
1:56:17
[UNKNOWN]: He's not fighting that stereotype.
1:56:18
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying.
1:56:20
[UNKNOWN]: And, but he's also friends with like Tom Hanks, who is also one of known to be very, very nice.
1:56:27
[UNKNOWN]: He's friends with Steven Spielberg, who is also known to be very, very nice.
1:56:30
[UNKNOWN]: And they all have their kids are all playing together.
1:56:32
[UNKNOWN]: It's like.
1:56:33
[UNKNOWN]: Well, dang I now I want to be in yeah, I want to be on the inside just because there's these people seem so kind and Martin short Seems like the kindest of them all and he just just a joyful joyful man Well, that sounds really nice.
1:56:47
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I have two movies left One of them is infinitely more interesting than the other so I'll start there This is a film called Ladies first.
1:56:54
[UNKNOWN]: It's a Netflix original directed by Thia Cherock and it is a remake
1:57:00
[UNKNOWN]: of a French film from 2018 called I am not an easy man, which I have not seen, but I have seen the short film that they're both based on, which was called, oh well, I want to get sure you get it right, oppressed majority.
1:57:19
[UNKNOWN]: The premise of ladies first, Sasha Baron Cohen plays a misogynistic asshole, right?
1:57:26
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
1:57:27
[UNKNOWN]: He is a big ad executive and he is about to lose the Guinness account, the beer, because they don't have any women working as top ad executives and they're trying to cater to that market.
1:57:43
[UNKNOWN]: So he picks the first woman who is like eligible for promotion based on alphabetical order and just says, fine, fire her, I don't care, they're all the same.
1:57:56
[UNKNOWN]: And Rosman Pike is often underutilized.
1:58:00
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't always get something interesting to do.
1:58:01
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's really fun on this movie.
1:58:04
[UNKNOWN]: But she finds out that she was hired for that reason.
1:58:07
[UNKNOWN]: She's very furious.
1:58:08
[UNKNOWN]: And she quits.
1:58:09
[UNKNOWN]: And he starts walking her out to building and just sort of burrating her and saying sex is shit.
1:58:14
[UNKNOWN]: And then he gets distracted by a pretty lady.
1:58:16
[UNKNOWN]: And then he hits his head.
1:58:19
[UNKNOWN]: and loses consciousness and they wake up in alternate reality where it's a matriarchal society instead of a patriarchal society.
1:58:29
[UNKNOWN]: Now, there's two different ways that could go.
1:58:32
[UNKNOWN]: One is that it's a very, very different world because women might run that differently.
1:58:40
[UNKNOWN]: But that's not what it is.
1:58:41
[UNKNOWN]: This is a world in which everything is exactly the same and women just act the way men do.
1:58:46
[UNKNOWN]: They're very bullish.
1:58:48
[UNKNOWN]: There they do a lot of sexual harassment, men are objectified in the media and they're betrayed.
1:58:55
[UNKNOWN]: They're like kept on the sidelines and every business and every industry and every home.
1:59:02
[UNKNOWN]: it's really it's very obvious it's very very obvious the point isn't this is what the we'll ever see that film um you ever see that film white man's burden yes long time ago yeah yeah yeah we're we're yeah the premise of that movie was um it was Harry Bellafonte and uh John Travolta
1:59:22
[UNKNOWN]: and it took place in this pearly universe where black people and white people like sort of swapped social statuses and it offered no like insight into racism beyond none is it was basically just not a girl the scenes at which you would normally see like a white man saying a bunch of racist stuff but this time it's Harry Bellafonte and he's some musician of power
1:59:42
[UNKNOWN]: And also, John Javolta has to go through a lot of things that black people have to deal with in our society.
1:59:48
[UNKNOWN]: And I remember when that movie came out, it was very strange because all of the like the white critics, I know who saw it, whether they liked it or not said, this is a very interesting thought experiment.
1:59:58
[UNKNOWN]: And all of the critics of color thought was hilarious.
2:00:03
[UNKNOWN]: at the least the ones that I read at the time.
2:00:04
[UNKNOWN]: They were just like, this is, this is camp.
2:00:06
[UNKNOWN]: You can't take this seriously.
2:00:07
[UNKNOWN]: This is so fucking weird.
2:00:10
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know how, I don't actually don't know how people respond to that movie today.
2:00:13
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't already went talk about it in years.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'd be very curious to see that rediscovered and reevaluated now.
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[UNKNOWN]: I haven't seen it since it came out.
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[UNKNOWN]: But so those were just generalizations of memories.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't have a particularly vivid other than the basic premise of how that play can be played out.
2:00:30
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so now he is the employee who has just been hired because of his gender and Rosemann Pike is his boss.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Rosemann Pike is just as awful as he was, but she's much more fun doing it because he's Rosemann Pike.
2:00:44
[UNKNOWN]: And there is a pigeon man, a guy covered in pigeons, played by Richard E. Grant, who was completely wasted in this movie.
2:00:52
[UNKNOWN]: And his whole thing is, oh, it's the new misogynist.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they sent them to this reality a lot.
2:01:00
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I mean, that's fun.
2:01:02
[UNKNOWN]: And so he's just like, and somebody goes like, well, how do I get out of here?
2:01:05
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, well, they sent me here and I never learned a goddamn thing.
2:01:08
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm just a pigeon guy now, but the last couple of guys were able to get out, they broke through the glass ceiling.
2:01:14
[UNKNOWN]: So you're going to have to do that.
2:01:15
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, okay, I am going to fight my way up the corporate ladder and reclaim my old status but the hard way.
2:01:25
[UNKNOWN]: And so he realizes he has to
2:01:30
[UNKNOWN]: play into what the sexist bosses want him to be.
2:01:34
[UNKNOWN]: He has to start like dressing the way that they expect him to in order to look more attractive.
2:01:41
[UNKNOWN]: He has to have like you get's work done.
2:01:55
[UNKNOWN]: We're a cowboy outfit with his weiner hanging out and it's incredibly lots of dignity and I feel like there's a certain camp quality to that where it's like it's basically just it's it's these are things that too many people have had to deal with on their lives and still do.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: A lot of the indignities that this movie thinks are funny when Sasha Baron Cohen has to do it are literally just things women do every day.
2:02:23
[UNKNOWN]: Not so much the cowboy outfit, but a lot of the rest of it.
2:02:26
[UNKNOWN]: And there's only two possibilities here.
2:02:30
[UNKNOWN]: And that's either like this is just a horror movie and this basically just like, hey,
2:02:35
[UNKNOWN]: Like half the population history is so poorly just by institutional quality that it is just unjust and cruel and he's gonna learn the hard way and presumably good dudes in the audience will learn a valuable lesson, one hopes.
2:02:50
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but that's so mockish and that's so obvious that really, I feel like the only real entertainment value can get out of it other than watching Rosman Pike do her thing and she's great, is,
2:03:05
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, now Sasha Baron Cohen's got to do it and that's going to give me some kind of cheap thrill.
2:03:11
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it's just, well, it's like, I imagine there's a bit of shudden for it.
2:03:15
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
2:03:15
[UNKNOWN]: Let's watch the sexist men.
2:03:16
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
2:03:17
[UNKNOWN]: But again, he's suffering in ways that people actually suffer all the time.
2:03:20
[UNKNOWN]: He's not like, it's, it's not terribly clever.
2:03:26
[UNKNOWN]: And unfortunately, it's not very funny.
2:03:28
[UNKNOWN]: I do think, however, there's an interesting quality to this because this is the kind of
2:03:35
[UNKNOWN]: There's certain movies and they run everything from like Groundhog Day to the Shaggy Dog or the Santa Claus where here is a not very good guy.
2:03:44
[UNKNOWN]: Usually not evil, but a not very good guy.
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[UNKNOWN]: Media, career best, bad father, husband, at worst.
2:03:52
[UNKNOWN]: And the whole point is to teach them that they're not the center of the universe.
2:03:55
[UNKNOWN]: And in order to do that, you altered the fabric of the universe's reality just to teach that one guy
2:04:05
[UNKNOWN]: And there is a fundamental irony there that is really fucking weird, and I find that very distracted every time one of these movies happens.
2:04:15
[UNKNOWN]: I do like this movie kind of hangs a lampshade on it, says it does all the time, but once you start thinking about it, once you allow that into the narrative, it's like, okay, so there's clearly an actual intelligent deity or more than one, but certainly God
2:04:35
[UNKNOWN]: or self-aware enough to know that the world is unjust and that we need to fix it.
2:04:41
[UNKNOWN]: We are powerful enough to create a reality just to teach that lesson.
2:04:50
[UNKNOWN]: But we're only gonna do it one guy at a time.
2:04:55
[UNKNOWN]: And basically, if you can do that, I mean, I guess maybe the sexist women from the women reality are sometimes ported over into the sexist man reality and learn a viable lesson too.
2:05:06
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's like, there's a certain sort of universal stability there.
2:05:11
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that that starts getting kind of heavy.
2:05:13
[UNKNOWN]: But basically, it's just like, why don't you just create the universe fair?
2:05:18
[UNKNOWN]: Why did it clearly it's in your power?
2:05:21
[UNKNOWN]: Why does it this for you?
2:05:22
[UNKNOWN]: What is it?
2:05:23
[UNKNOWN]: Why are we doing this?
2:05:25
[UNKNOWN]: You raised the question.
2:05:26
[UNKNOWN]: William.
2:05:28
[UNKNOWN]: The idea is that the world is, it's, it's the Voltaire Tham that we live in the, the ideal world already, but there are a few bad actors who just need to be slightly correct 45% of the population are not a few bad actors and also they have all the power, this is fucked, this is all fucked, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this
2:05:53
[UNKNOWN]: This is the same plot as an episode of the TV series Sliders, I recall, where they slip into an alternate dimension where men's and women's roles have been reversed.
2:06:03
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and then John Reeves gave these runs for president or something, even though he doesn't even have a social security narrative.
2:06:08
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the first, the first male president and men can't be president, but I remember the B plot from that episode is the, the, the musician character, I forgot the characters.
2:06:20
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, um.
2:06:20
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was his name.
2:06:23
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do the time, but yeah, his, his, his hit song was tears in my fro and the idea was he he understood that sexual dynamics were different and how a women were now seem to be a little bit more sexual pursuers and men could be picked up more easily and he decided to take advantage of just enjoying like that idea.
2:06:47
[UNKNOWN]: And so what he did was let himself be seduced, but in so doing, he kind of had his own heart broken.
2:06:57
[UNKNOWN]: It saw the sort of like the downside of all of that.
2:06:59
[UNKNOWN]: And there was actually like a little bit of insight about the way six is on the way.
2:07:02
[UNKNOWN]: No, I learned a little bit of mistreatment of people.
2:07:05
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, he learned something by the end of that hour.
2:07:08
[UNKNOWN]: And that sounds more interesting than the movie you're describing.
2:07:10
[UNKNOWN]: But there's another thing this movie is doing that is interesting.
2:07:13
[UNKNOWN]: And that is that,
2:07:16
[UNKNOWN]: Once he changes realities, he's not just living out like a glass ceiling story, he also starts having kind of mismatched romantic feelings with Rosam and Pike, and they start falling a lovely each other and starts turning into a bit more of a rom-com, which is weird because he's actively sexually harassing him, and eventually there may be kind of deals with that, but they also let's rough the hook.
2:07:40
[UNKNOWN]: But I feel like at that point we're actually kind of calling out
2:07:46
[UNKNOWN]: a lot of similar romantic comedies, and I don't think it's coincidence, I'd be surprised if it was, that the setup for this movie is incredibly similar to the Mel Gibson Hellen Hunt movie What Women Want, which was also about a sexist advertising executive who didn't like the idea of women breaking through the glass ceiling, and then there's a magical intervention that gradually made him realize that women get this, are people too?
2:08:12
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
2:08:12
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know that?
2:08:13
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this movie is calling out like those movies where they sort of make those characters more likable and basically just saying that's actually kind of fucked up on these things they're inherently sexist on the other hand the movie is doing that too.
2:08:27
[UNKNOWN]: And the last thing I will bring up about this movie which again is not particularly interesting or is not particularly entertaining but I do think it's interesting.
2:08:35
[UNKNOWN]: The short film that this is based on.
2:08:38
[UNKNOWN]: It's like 15-minute French short film from on 2010 or so.
2:08:44
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
2:08:45
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a comedy.
2:08:48
[UNKNOWN]: It is extremely dark.
2:08:51
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's extremely dark.
2:08:55
[UNKNOWN]: And there's no like, oh, I hit my head on a landed in this reality.
2:08:58
[UNKNOWN]: We're just dumped into that reality.
2:09:00
[UNKNOWN]: where we see like a house dad who is like, you know, carrying his like, you know, wheeling their baby down the street, getting cat called, people talking to him and said, I should really be talking to your husband, basic indignities that then lead to a scene of harrowing assault.
2:09:25
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, okay.
2:09:25
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the overall point of it
2:09:31
[UNKNOWN]: are not understanding of what women are going through and will say things like, well, what were you wearing?
2:09:37
[UNKNOWN]: All that kind of horrible shit, you know, might think about it differently if it were more likely to happen to them.
2:09:43
[UNKNOWN]: Again, this is very blunt, but it's a short film.
2:09:45
[UNKNOWN]: You can get away with it in a short film.
2:09:47
[UNKNOWN]: You're not spending two hours and you're belaboring the point.
2:09:51
[UNKNOWN]: But it is fascinating to me that this basically horror movie,
2:09:56
[UNKNOWN]: was turned into not one, but two comedies.
2:09:59
[UNKNOWN]: Now I didn't see the first film, which was to be fair, directed by the same woman who directed the original short.
2:10:06
[UNKNOWN]: This movie is not directed by her.
2:10:08
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how, at my understanding that the plot's a bit different in that one, but I don't know how that plays out.
2:10:13
[UNKNOWN]: It is extremely odd that the movie we got came from a very piercing uncomfortable
2:10:26
[UNKNOWN]: like very, very heartbreaking, scary short.
2:10:32
[UNKNOWN]: And now we have Sasha Baron Cohen and a scene where he finds out that in this reality, testicles have their own bras.
2:10:44
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, there's a certain humor to that, but also that's the transition that we went through and that's fascinating So I'm fascinated by this movie, but it's not particularly good.
2:10:53
[UNKNOWN]: I've been lastly speaking when I particularly good.
2:10:55
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a real quick on this DiRitchie made yet another film
2:11:02
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2:11:21
[UNKNOWN]: This film is called in the gray.
2:11:23
[UNKNOWN]: It starts as a Gonzalez who actually has a small and noteworthy Well supporting role in I love boosters.
2:11:28
[UNKNOWN]: She's great in I love boosters.
2:11:30
[UNKNOWN]: It's a small world, but she's really really good She keeps ending up in Guy Richie movies and being like the best thing in them, but his movies aren't very well written even in he writes in themselves So that's unbeat unfortunate, but the plot of the movie is very simply There is an evil billionaire
2:11:46
[UNKNOWN]: who borrowed money from a huge American bank for a business venture that allegedly when could put or maybe he just stole it and they're trying to get their billions of dollars back.
2:11:58
[UNKNOWN]: As a Gonzalez plays a lawyer with two henchmen played by Jake Jill and Holland Henry and Henry Cavill who is toughest nails and is gonna get that money back and when things get harder and harder that turns into
2:12:12
[UNKNOWN]: her like destroying his industries across the globe and also a bunch of shootouts and car chases basically.
2:12:19
[UNKNOWN]: Um, relatively straightforward setup, uh, there is a thing called competence porn.
2:12:29
[UNKNOWN]: where the entire appeal is to watch people who are really good at something, just do that thing.
2:12:36
[UNKNOWN]: We watch this in some sort.
2:12:36
[UNKNOWN]: Well, whether they're good guys are bad guys, you want to see them do their job as well.
2:12:40
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I've often made the argument and I learned some film school that, you know, if you want to have a really interesting or compelling character, or some of the audience really just wants to see, just make them good at their jobs.
2:12:50
[UNKNOWN]: And in the gray, disproves that theory.
2:12:54
[UNKNOWN]: because these people are incredibly good at their jobs, but the problem is that their jobs don't mean anything to them or to us.
2:13:02
[UNKNOWN]: So what they're doing is feels irrelevant.
2:13:04
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels like a much of stuff that's happening.
2:13:07
[UNKNOWN]: Even in the second half, where Asick and Zell's character gets kidnapped and Henry Cavalin, Jake Gillin, I'll have to rescue her.
2:13:13
[UNKNOWN]: It's very wrote, nothing really feels like it matters.
2:13:18
[UNKNOWN]: They like, and this weird, like, they set up this, like, they have this, like, plan to, like, if there, if there needs to be a car chase on this island, we're gonna set up all of these things.
2:13:26
[UNKNOWN]: So we can get out of the island and do this really cool car chase.
2:13:28
[UNKNOWN]: And then, like, four months pass.
2:13:31
[UNKNOWN]: And then, all of that stuff is still in place.
2:13:33
[UNKNOWN]: Like, have to go back to the island.
2:13:34
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I guess, I'm glad no one touched the booby traps while we were gone.
2:13:40
[UNKNOWN]: Someone could have been seriously injured, but I guess we just left it on the road.
2:13:44
[UNKNOWN]: None of that fucking works.
2:13:45
[UNKNOWN]: The villain is extremely non-descript.
2:13:49
[UNKNOWN]: They toy a little bit with something that almost got interesting where jake chill and ho and Henry Cavill are a little flirty with each other and for a minute, I thought they were just gay in love and or married and that would have at least been something.
2:14:03
[UNKNOWN]: Well, didn't guy, Guy Richie did that.
2:14:08
[UNKNOWN]: I mean you did those Sherlock Holmes.
2:14:09
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, a lot of a lot of them are out of subtext and with a lot of yeah a lot a lot of queer queer Just content I feel like it never quite goes there, but they're certainly playing it up
2:14:22
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're just kind of flirty.
2:14:24
[UNKNOWN]: It's basically what they have instead of a personality.
2:14:27
[UNKNOWN]: And they're not actually dating or queer or if they are, we never actually say it.
2:14:32
[UNKNOWN]: And it just takes two characters who could have had one interesting thing about them and make sure that nothing is interesting about them.
2:14:38
[UNKNOWN]: The only thing interesting about them is that for some reason, Jake Jilinhol's character is named Bronco.
2:14:42
[UNKNOWN]: Like, OK. You wrote that in the screenplay.
2:14:46
[UNKNOWN]: That's interesting, you wrote that in the screenplay.
2:14:48
[UNKNOWN]: That now that happened.
2:14:51
[UNKNOWN]: Everything is competent, everything like you can tell what's going on, like the editing is clean, the narrative is, it's not really hard to follow, it's just too much of it.
2:15:06
[UNKNOWN]: And that's over.
2:15:07
[UNKNOWN]: And you feel like you've done nothing.
2:15:11
[UNKNOWN]: You feel like all you did was like, you took the money for your take movie ticket, because they did not screen this for critics, you took the money for your movie ticket, and you
2:15:20
[UNKNOWN]: dropped it in a hole and then went home, which would have been better because then you wouldn't have wasted your time.
2:15:29
[UNKNOWN]: Like I'm losing like two hours in an AMC movie theater because it's pretty short, but there's like of course half hour trailers because it's AMC.
2:15:38
[UNKNOWN]: All I did was give them my money to take time away from me.
2:15:42
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, this is like an inexpensive version of that torture device and the princess bride.
2:15:50
[UNKNOWN]: We're like, you know, they like roll and all these cool wild things.
2:15:56
[UNKNOWN]: And then Christopher guesses, I just took two hours of your life away.
2:16:02
[UNKNOWN]: But he's playing, he's playing Guy Richie for some reason.
2:16:05
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
2:16:05
[UNKNOWN]: Um, instead of sucking Walter, I'm sucking.
2:16:08
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's just, again, it's not a, I'm not offended by it.
2:16:12
[UNKNOWN]: It's just nothing, like no, there's no consequence to it whatsoever.
2:16:17
[UNKNOWN]: Not even in a generic action movie way.
2:16:19
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, no, they kidnapped my wife.
2:16:21
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, you want, you, you love your wife.
2:16:24
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
2:16:24
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, they kidnapped my boss.
2:16:26
[UNKNOWN]: I guess you like her.
2:16:29
[UNKNOWN]: You don't really see the big connection here.
2:16:31
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really you guys have nothing in common other than you're good at your jobs I guess like there's no Relationship.
2:16:38
[UNKNOWN]: There's no There's no emotional connection to anything and even the real world consequences are pretty minimal either this billionaire has billions of dollars or this one does None of that helps me.
2:16:51
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, none of that helps me I don't give a fuck
2:16:56
[UNKNOWN]: You're both monsters, it turns out also Rosemann Pikes on this one too, but not nearly his fun.
2:17:04
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she needs better work now.
2:17:05
[UNKNOWN]: She has a fun role in ladies first.
2:17:08
[UNKNOWN]: It's just not a good enough movie to deserve her.
2:17:11
[UNKNOWN]: Here she's just, I don't think she leaves a boardroom.
2:17:16
[UNKNOWN]: It really does feel like you could have filmed all of her scenes on a day.
2:17:20
[UNKNOWN]: And a lot of them were just her literally looking at a phone.
2:17:24
[UNKNOWN]: waste arosman Chinese.
2:17:25
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, that is it for critically claimed.
2:17:28
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to review all 10 of these movies real fast and our movie review round up where we review our movies on a scale of C minus to C plus.
2:17:36
[UNKNOWN]: The lowest rating we can give a movie is a C-minus.
2:17:38
[UNKNOWN]: These are movies that we consider below average.
2:17:40
[UNKNOWN]: These are movies that generally speaking, we do not care for and do not recommend.
2:17:44
[UNKNOWN]: A C is an average movie.
2:17:45
[UNKNOWN]: These are sort of a mixed bag, or maybe only just so-so.
2:17:49
[UNKNOWN]: And then a C plus is a movie we think of as above average.
2:17:52
[UNKNOWN]: These are movies that we genuinely like.
2:17:54
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe even love and would go out of our way to recommend someone C. On that note, in the gray is weird because technically,
2:18:04
[UNKNOWN]: It should be a middle of the road sea, but it's so insubstantial that I have to drop it down to a sea minus.
2:18:12
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's confidence is insurgency.
2:18:14
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing, less than nothing.
2:18:16
[UNKNOWN]: So even though technically you did a mediocre job, you did a mediocre job at doing something pointless.
2:18:23
[UNKNOWN]: So, it scales down.
2:18:26
[UNKNOWN]: Put that on the scales down.
2:18:28
[UNKNOWN]: Ladies first, I think this is an interesting way to talk about.
2:18:31
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's very good and it makes its point, but it point is made so much more effectively in the short film, even though that's more air-wing.
2:18:38
[UNKNOWN]: Rosemary Pike is good in it, but it's also a seam-iness.
2:18:41
[UNKNOWN]: Marty, life is short.
2:18:42
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
2:18:44
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go to see it's just sort of a good comfort watch, just to sort of learn the story of Martin Short.
2:18:52
[UNKNOWN]: It's not much of a drama.
2:18:53
[UNKNOWN]: It's just sort of an interesting story about an interesting actor that I know you'd like.
2:18:58
[UNKNOWN]: And if you want to hang out with Martin Short, it's a good hangout kind of.
2:19:01
[UNKNOWN]: I would love to hang out with him.
2:19:02
[UNKNOWN]: But it's barely a movie that there's there's not a lot of insight.
2:19:05
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a good way to hang out with Martin Short and who doesn't want to have it so short.
2:19:09
[UNKNOWN]: See, he sold me.
2:19:10
[UNKNOWN]: All right, a passenger, the Andre Overdollar hitchhiking ghost movie, is a sea minus, but if you're like a really hardcore horror fan, there might be enough fun scares in it to like get it to see territory for you, but for me, they don't save the movie, there's just a few note where the gags of the sea minus.
2:19:27
[UNKNOWN]: Wizard of the Crem one.
2:19:29
[UNKNOWN]: uh... to see minus it is dull it is wrote it doesn't have a lot to say in the performances are all flat jude laws okay i guess but the direction is just totally boring you can just skip it it feels like it's got an a-list cast and like a really like hefty material like i feel like in someone's head certainly this was going to be an Oscar contender and it's so completely inert it's just boring so it's a sea minus i yeah yeah agreed
2:20:00
[UNKNOWN]: Decorada that this is a C-plus this is one of the films of the year we actually had three just straight-of-great films this this week and that this is one of them I love I mean it is bleak and it is hard and it's you know constructed that way, but it does it's so so well it's just a weirdly hard-aged
2:20:24
[UNKNOWN]: a depiction of a very real state of mind that I just fell myself completely lost and ended up really loving it.
2:20:30
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
2:20:31
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is, again, I'm not a big fan of Blake movies, but I think this is one of the best Blake movies I've seen in a long time.
2:20:37
[UNKNOWN]: It is not bleak for its own sake.
2:20:39
[UNKNOWN]: It actually has a lot to explore.
2:20:41
[UNKNOWN]: It understands how depression feels, but it finds a very imaginative way to present that that is entertaining without losing sight of that we are living in a depressive state.
2:20:53
[UNKNOWN]: And ultimately film was very, very cynical, but I actually think it earns that and that's very impressive.
2:20:58
[UNKNOWN]: It's a huge C-plus.
2:20:59
[UNKNOWN]: Obsession.
2:21:01
[UNKNOWN]: Obsession.
2:21:03
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to give it a C. I think it's really great filmmaking.
2:21:07
[UNKNOWN]: I love the editing.
2:21:07
[UNKNOWN]: I love the scary images, but it's made by a kid.
2:21:11
[UNKNOWN]: It's made by somebody who's trying to say things about things.
2:21:15
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he really quite understands.
2:21:18
[UNKNOWN]: about abusive relationships, about codependency.
2:21:22
[UNKNOWN]: And I would like to see where he is in a couple of years because this is no possession, but it's good obsession.
2:21:32
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's very promising.
2:21:33
[UNKNOWN]: I agree it's very promising.
2:21:35
[UNKNOWN]: The thing I kept thinking about actually after I watched it was that speech Robin Williams gives in goodwill hunting after like Matt Damon reads him to
2:21:43
[UNKNOWN]: and he says, you know, I was thinking about it, and my heart was breaking, and I felt really, really bad.
2:21:46
[UNKNOWN]: But everything you said, and then I remembered, you're a child.
2:21:51
[UNKNOWN]: You don't know what you're talking about.
2:21:52
[UNKNOWN]: You don't know what you're talking about.
2:21:55
[UNKNOWN]: You've never actually lived your life, and everything you said is fundamentally meaningless.
2:21:59
[UNKNOWN]: And I, a someone who was wiser, can let that all go.
2:22:03
[UNKNOWN]: And the irony is that that movie was written when Matt Damon and Beneth, like we're also effectively children, but
2:22:08
[UNKNOWN]: whatever.
2:22:08
[UNKNOWN]: Point made.
2:22:10
[UNKNOWN]: They're like in the early morning.
2:22:12
[UNKNOWN]: So like obsession.
2:22:12
[UNKNOWN]: It's very upsetting.
2:22:13
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's very scary and I am going to give it the ever so slightest of C plus is just because it's scary.
2:22:19
[UNKNOWN]: Just because it's really scary and I think even though it is it is.
2:22:23
[UNKNOWN]: And I think even though it's not very like intelligent or wise about a subject matter, I do think it has some moral compass about it and it understands that what it is
2:22:33
[UNKNOWN]: Understand what we need to be mad at and I think that that at the very least is enough to carry it through as a scary film But it could have been a great film and it doesn't quite get there So yeah, I think that's fair.
2:22:45
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so if it's a slight C++ not it not a huge recommend I will give a huge recommend to is God is
2:22:52
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, at least to Harris.
2:22:52
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, for sure.
2:22:53
[UNKNOWN]: It's a direct oral debut.
2:22:54
[UNKNOWN]: I was unfamiliar with it because I don't get out to the theater enough like the live theater.
2:22:58
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, but now I want to find out a lot more about her career.
2:23:01
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and I think she is.
2:23:05
[UNKNOWN]: Genuinely inspired as a filmmaker.
2:23:07
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of the most impressive cinematic debuts I've seen in a really long time.
2:23:11
[UNKNOWN]: She has a genuine, fascinating grasp on cinematic language.
2:23:17
[UNKNOWN]: And what the medium is capable of, that is aware of what has come before, but is doing actually interesting, successfully experimental things.
2:23:25
[UNKNOWN]: It's truly electric.
2:23:26
[UNKNOWN]: It's genuinely heroin is actually deep.
2:23:30
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's one of the best movies of the year.
2:23:36
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, same C++.
2:23:38
[UNKNOWN]: I really really adored it.
2:23:40
[UNKNOWN]: I love just sort of its great blend of style.
2:23:42
[UNKNOWN]: I loved it.
2:23:43
[UNKNOWN]: It's really intensity.
2:23:44
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.
2:23:44
[UNKNOWN]: Just right.
2:23:45
[UNKNOWN]: It's indignation.
2:23:46
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just a really fantastic mood.
2:23:47
[UNKNOWN]: I love boosters.
2:23:50
[UNKNOWN]: Also a C++.
2:23:52
[UNKNOWN]: Everything I said about how it's like sloppy and unfocused, I stand by, but like I said, I want something to spill a lot of interesting stuff in front of me rather than carry nothing across the finish line neatly.
2:24:09
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just so exciting to see a filmmaker like Boots Riley just.
2:24:14
[UNKNOWN]: fall over himself with just sort of an exuberance about cinema that I don't see in most movies.
2:24:21
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, this is absolutely exuberance cinema, this is like genuinely inspired, fascinating genre mashups, brilliant production design, costume design, memorable performance, truly hilarious, the music is great, everything about it is really fantastic,
2:24:38
[UNKNOWN]: I will grant you that I think the finale gets a little bloated and probably could have been like streamlined a little and still retain that chaos and been a little bit sharper.
2:24:52
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, I think you all brings it all around again at the end to a very meaningful very, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
2:25:00
[UNKNOWN]: a very intentional, very useful conclusion that we can all take something away from.
2:25:05
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is also a contender for one of the best songs of the year, even though it's very, very early.
2:25:10
[UNKNOWN]: I love it to pieces.
2:25:12
[UNKNOWN]: It's just purely inspired, huge C++.
2:25:14
[UNKNOWN]: And then lastly, the Mandalorian and Grogu.
2:25:19
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to give this a C plus this is the opposite of I love boosters, this doesn't have a lot on its mind and well I'm not going to call this one of the best films of the year however but I think it is a really sweet, effective, incredibly well put together light
2:25:41
[UNKNOWN]: just a lot of exciting designs, a lot of exciting monsters, a lot of fun special effects, golly all of those robots.
2:25:47
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, it's a C plus just for how, how much fun I am.
2:25:52
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I 100% agree.
2:25:54
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is, again, it's not getting a lot of the other stories we were using about the rise of fascism or, or rebelling against fascism and this is mostly about a dad and his son and their nice.
2:26:07
[UNKNOWN]: but they also have cool jobs where they get to fight monsters and stuff and that is enough honestly.
2:26:13
[UNKNOWN]: I think that just this is a story about a family that works versus a family that doesn't and that's it's good storytelling.
2:26:22
[UNKNOWN]: It's clean storytelling.
2:26:23
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of imaginative action sequences.
2:26:25
[UNKNOWN]: The monsters are really, really cool.
2:26:29
[UNKNOWN]: It's just well crafted from top to bottom even if it's
2:26:37
[UNKNOWN]: It's a movie about bounty hunters in space.
2:26:39
[UNKNOWN]: It would be nice if it was substantial, but I don't need it to be.
2:26:42
[UNKNOWN]: I just needed to be fun.
2:26:43
[UNKNOWN]: And this is really, really fun.
2:26:45
[UNKNOWN]: How the idea that Star Wars needs to be substantial is a relatively novel invention.
2:26:52
[UNKNOWN]: You go back to the 1970s.
2:26:53
[UNKNOWN]: Star Wars wasn't meant to be substantial.
2:26:56
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't a big story.
2:26:58
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't delving into some kind of deep philosophy.
2:27:01
[UNKNOWN]: It was a very basic tale of good versus evil.
2:27:03
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not trying to
2:27:04
[UNKNOWN]: to say the George Lucas was infusing it with a ton of that.
2:27:07
[UNKNOWN]: I just mean it was about fighting an evil empire.
2:27:12
[UNKNOWN]: There was a lot of heft to the plot at least.
2:27:16
[UNKNOWN]: Bare minimum of the plot.
2:27:17
[UNKNOWN]: I think an empire they started adding a bit more sort of philosophy to it a little bit more of a religious quality and a lot more like melodrama, but even that first one it's basically rebels, destroy,
2:27:32
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like that's, so that's big.
2:27:34
[UNKNOWN]: It's after like, it feels like a monumental event has occurred.
2:27:38
[UNKNOWN]: This, a bounty hunting mission goes wrong.
2:27:42
[UNKNOWN]: That's enough, that's enough for most movies.
2:27:44
[UNKNOWN]: Star Wars doesn't have to be that huge all the time.
2:27:47
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this is just the right balance of some fun spectacle, but it's actually pretty grounded with two characters who have a great relationship.
2:27:56
[UNKNOWN]: And a really positive dad relationship and Star Wars, which is very rare.
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