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How Amy Dissolved the Deepest Layer of her Mother Wound to Breakthrough an Income Plateau · Reclaiming Consciousness

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  SPEAKER_01: I've built a successful business doing all the things that I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I quantum leapt into 30K months, and I've been there pretty steadily and consistently, like I'd say between 20 and 30k months since 2021.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I haven't been able to get past that 30K mark.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's very successful.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm very grateful for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The frustrating part is I can feel that there was something that was blocking my growth.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not serving my audience or even growing my audience to the potential that I could be.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that's more than the frustrating piece.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_02: My name is Elise Bassine, spiritual mentor, breathwork practitioner, and owner and CEO of Elise Breeds.
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  SPEAKER_02: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right now, during this epic time in history, people are waking up, realizing who they really are, and reclaiming the pieces of their consciousness that they unknowingly gave away.
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  SPEAKER_02: This podcast is an exploration of how so many spectacular humans are leading the way in exiting the matrix and reclaiming who they really are and what they're capable of.
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  SPEAKER_02: In this show, you'll meet exceptional people who are paving the way in raising consciousness and creating a new way of living on this earth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Get ready to go deep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I am so excited for you guys to hear this episode.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: If you have not heard it already, or even if you did hear it, because this was actually an Instagram live that I did.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: So it's on my Instagram, but I had to put it on the podcast because it was just such an amazing conversation that I had with Amy Bel Air, who's already been on the podcast twice.
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  SPEAKER_03: She is a good friend.
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  SPEAKER_03: And also, she did a month of private work with me because there was some blocks that she had in her business.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Amy is a very successful business owner.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's owned her business for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's done a ton of personal growth work.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's super conscious and she's done a ton of trauma work already.
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  SPEAKER_03: But she was at this point in her business where she saw this very specific pattern that she kept repeating over and over again that was causing her to hit an income ceiling.
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  SPEAKER_03: But more importantly than that, it was causing her a lot of friction in the design of her programs and how she was structuring her business.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: And as much as she thought she knew what it was, she just couldn't seem to get to the bottom of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And she brought it to a bunch of different business coaches and mentors, and no one was able to help her get to the bottom of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then she brought it to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is her story of how in three weeks' time I pinpointed exactly what it was, and we shifted it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then she made$20,000 in five days.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is just such a fun and powerful representation of the power of doing this deeper trauma work.
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  SPEAKER_03: And again, it does not have to require you to go cry for 45 days or relive every painful thing that happened to you.
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  SPEAKER_03: In fact, with Amy's story, there really wasn't any of that at all.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was much more just about pinpointing the deeper pattern that she wasn't able to see and clearing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then what happens when she shifted it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was just such a powerful story.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the reason why I think this conversation is so important is because it really illustrates the way that trauma can show up.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't have to be some dramatic thing or chaotic thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Amy is somebody, and I love this about her story because I think probably a lot of you can relate to this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Amy is somebody who she didn't have any particular outright trauma with her mom.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like she described her relationship growing up with her mom as very loving.
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  SPEAKER_03: They had a really strong bond.
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  SPEAKER_03: They have a great relationship.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the trauma piece and the thing that can slow down or stop your growth is not always about some outright trauma or something that you know happened growing up.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as Amy's story illustrates, a lot of times can be these deeper unconscious layers of enmeshment that develop when we're in the womb and how we connect with our mother's energy in an effort to help her heal so that we can be okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we go really deep into this.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I think this is going to really resonate for a lot of you because it really illustrates these deeper layers of trauma that are not something that you would have words for or even be able to put your finger on.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if you're somebody who has been listening to me and thinking, well, you know, I had a really good relationship with my parents.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't really think I have trauma.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is a great episode to listen to because it's such a great illustration of how it doesn't have to be this major event or really toxic relationship that can create a block.
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  SPEAKER_03: It can be something a lot deeper that you're not aware of.
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  SPEAKER_03: And being able to pinpoint and shift it is invaluable.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's what I helped Amy do.
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  SPEAKER_03: And also the way that I helped her shift her mother wound is the exact thing that you will be doing in the metamorphosis.
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  SPEAKER_03: So even though Amy worked privately with me, she was just somebody that just wanted to do something very quick and get to the bottom of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And she knew exactly what it was already.
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  SPEAKER_03: She knew what the pattern was, but she couldn't figure out where it originated from.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's what I helped her do.
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  SPEAKER_03: The tools that I used with her for the mother wound, and I also used my birth story tools with her as well, which made a huge, huge difference in how fast we were able to pinpoint everything and shift it.
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  SPEAKER_03: What you're gonna hear Amy describe is a perfect representation of the type of work you will do in the metamorphosis.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you are somebody that has any kind of desire or you're trying to create something and it's not happening as fast as you'd like, or it feels like something is in the way and you're just not sure what it is, the metamorphosis is for you.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we are starting probably around the second week of August.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm so excited for the group that's already formed.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is a really powerful group.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just so excited for this round because every round it just keeps getting better and better.
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  SPEAKER_03: As I take more and more women through the program, my ability to teach the tools and walk you through them with speed just gets more and more precise and rapid.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I just can't wait to see how the growth and the clarity that comes from this program for everybody who's already joined.
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  SPEAKER_03: And also if you don't have a business and you know there's some things that are slowing you down or creating confusion for you, or if you are somebody who have a pretty good relationship with your parents or you have a really good relationship with your mother, but there's something that you know you can't put your finger on where you're like, God, she just really annoys me or she really triggers me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know why.
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  SPEAKER_03: So many people say this to me, which is why I'm bringing it up.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is how I felt for a long time too.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, I love my mom, she's great.
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  SPEAKER_03: And also as she's getting older, I want to, you know, just enjoy my time with her.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: But there's like things that she does and says that just annoy the crap out of me.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I always was like, oh, well, that's just how it is with your mom.
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  SPEAKER_03: But those things that like annoy you are actually representations of deeper things that are in the unconscious, deeper layers of enmeshment, deeper layers of patterns that you do energetically with her, deeper layers of resentment that when you pinpoint and shift them, your relationship just gets so much better.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you're able to be present with her, enjoy her company.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it just takes your all of your relationships to an entirely new level.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then obviously, if you have a business, there's a huge ripple effect in your ability to attract clients, bring in more money, et cetera, et cetera.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: So, and it's the same thing with the father wound stuff and the birth story and sibling wounds.
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  SPEAKER_03: So this work is just invaluable when it comes to reasons you're not moving forward, or if you like are one of those people who you know what to do, but for some reason you're not doing it, that's trauma.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like if you have taken all the business strategy stuff and you know what to do to move yourself forward, but for some reason you're not doing it, that's trauma.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's what you will shift inside the metamorphosis.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_03: So reach out to me if you have questions.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_03: We will link it below.
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  SPEAKER_03: And please enjoy the episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'd love to hear how this episode landed for you.
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  SPEAKER_03: So please reach out to me on Instagram at Elise underscore breathes and let me know.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: Let me know if you have questions.
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  SPEAKER_03: Also, don't forget if you rate and review the show, we'll send you a$250 credit and you can apply that to the Metamorphosis.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a really great way to use your credit and get a discount on the program.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm sending you so much love.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, here we are.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yay! I'm so excited.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: I've been like looking forward to this conversation for so long because I just was so jazzed about our work together.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: It was so fun for so many reasons.
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  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, because I love you and we have this like deep connection, but also just because it was so profound.
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  SPEAKER_03: So welcome everyone to this conversation.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm here with Amy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Amy, do you want to just like quickly introduce yourself before we go on?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, my whole business is built on the Akashic Records, but I'm I'm really an activator and a codekeeper.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I bring forward codes about how this reality is supposed to work, how we're built, how our chakras work, our magic abilities, our psychic abilities, all the things towards the restoration of the original divine blueprint of humanity and this realm.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I do that through my podcast and my courses and programs, memberships and Akashic Records private work.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like ever since we connected, we just had this deep connection.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: Also, I just have to mention like we have basically almost the same astrology chart.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's so weird, other than your moon is in Leo and mine's in Aquarius, which is the opposite.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But then everything else is like the same almost, right?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: And literally our husbands have the same birthday.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I forgot so much.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like ridiculous.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: We're like bizarro twins living in like other, it's so weird.
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  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_03: We just always had this like really deep connection, and we just obviously we've never gotten to meet in person, but we've just always kind of felt that there's this energy.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: So today we're gonna be talking about Amy did a month of work with me, and it was very profound.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I really wanted to go deep into this because you know, so much of the work that I do is around clearing trauma, obviously, and a big piece is around the mother wound.
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  SPEAKER_03: But with your story, this is like a really great representation of the way that trauma can show up that is so not obvious, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because like you were not in this place of feeling stuck, even really.
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  SPEAKER_03: You were aware that there was something going on, but it wasn't like dramatic or chaotic.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is the type of thing that I think is really important to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna illustrate exactly what happened and how we got to the bottom of it and how we created a shift.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, Amy, can you just explain to people like what was happening for you and why you decided to dive into this work with me?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm so glad that we did work together because it I've been aware of this thing that I'll explain for such a long time.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I've brought it up to a number of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've done so much work on it, and I wasn't able to get to, I kept describing it as a taproot, like one of those taproots that goes so deep, and I could never fully pull it all the way up.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the thing would just grow again.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what the actual hell?
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  SPEAKER_01: I've built a successful business doing all the things that I do that I was explaining before, and I quantum leapt into 30k months, and I've been there pretty steadily and consistently, like I'd say between 20 and 30k months since 2021.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I haven't been able to get past that 30k mark, and that's very successful.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very grateful for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The frustrating part is I can feel that there was something that was blocking my growth, and it's not just about revenue and profits for me, it's about I'm not serving my audience or even growing my audience to the potential that I could be, and that's more in the frustrating piece.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the way that it would play out wasn't an overt trauma that we would normally easily identify as a trauma, meaning there wasn't a lot of emotion around it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I wasn't crying, I didn't feel like sad or even insecure or anything like that.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: But what would happen is I would repeatedly feel like I would go through these cycles of pricing my work in a way that felt very nourishing to me and honoring of the incredible amount of effort that goes into producing the things that I was producing, and also that it felt like a true proper energy exchange, like expansive for you know anybody who signed up, etc.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I would be able to hold that for a little while, and then inevitably my power would start leaking, and I would go back down into these insane dips of having a thought.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I explained to you one time I boxed you, and I just had a thought that I should do a flash sale on private sessions for$80.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: And that makes no sense for where I'm at in business, for what I've created, for the amount of time that I have to put into all the other things required for my business to operate and to be of service.
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  SPEAKER_01: And not only that, but I've already done that and I learned what it means for my nervous system and my health and my family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not a sustainable price by any stretch of the imagination.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: So intellectually, I know that.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Experientially, I know that.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Why does this thought keep coming up?
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  SPEAKER_01: And just variations of that kind of thought, like an insane devaluing of my work, but also from a place, like it was coming from a place of I was describing it as a martyr energy.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I need to save the broken people, I need to help the broken people.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I've also done so much work around that.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like I'm walking around with a savior complex all the time or like an out-of-control ego of like only I can help them.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't coming from that.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like my heart felt so, I don't know, pained at other people's pain.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to be able to fix it.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it was causing, yeah, a very limiting pattern in my business, and I couldn't break through that.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm already like, since working with you in the first week of July, the first four or five days, I made$20,000 because that pattern is gone.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: So now I'm not tapped by it anymore.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it was really weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew it was related to my mom, and I could see little ways that it was connected to her, and I'd already worked on those, but I couldn't see the crux of it.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so I couldn't actually truly resolve it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I just knew, like Elise was saying, like we felt really connected.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: I just knew that you would be the person who would be able to help me.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just knew it.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I reached out and we worked together.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it was so interesting because I feel like obviously so much of my work is related to the mother wound.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously, I have my other pieces around it.
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  SPEAKER_03: But sometimes when I work with people who, and and most people I work with have done some amount of work around their mother wound, anywhere from some to a shit ton, right?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's like anywhere in between.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I knew for someone like you, you obviously have done so much work already and stuff.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, I can see this is related to her mom, but I don't want to just be like, oh, it's your mother wound because it's so annoying.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I did say that right away, but also the important thing here is it was such a deeper unconscious layer.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: And these are the things that I think we don't understand some, or I understand, and you understand, but a lot of people don't understand when it comes to things like the mother wound, because I think what can happen is that we can take the concept of it way too literally, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's more like, oh, well, this happened with my mother, or this is how she treated me, or this is what our dynamic was.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_03: And all of that is very relevant, you know?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: But then like once that is untangled, then it's like, okay, we already know that, right?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: But there's like deeper unconscious layers that are very hard to pinpoint and see.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it actually took me like probably like three weeks to really articulate what was going on because I had to really feel into your energy.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: And also let's back up though, because there was another piece of it before we even got to this that came through when we had our call, which was also very powerful.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like there was kind of like two pieces that came through.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: And one was not even around any wounding, it was more around just like another part of your purpose on the planet that we pinpointed.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: It was just like a deeper level of your purpose or another aspect of your purpose.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe we can talk about that first, and then we'll go into the mother wound stuff because this was also very powerful as well.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want to describe what that was?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sure.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I have always known, I remember being two years old and just knowing that I was here to have babies and to work with babies.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: I really didn't even understand at that age what pregnancy was.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I certainly didn't know what a midwife was, but I knew that it was a big part of my reason for coming to Earth.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking in those terms as a two-year-old.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, fast forward many years, I discovered midwives and I eventually went to school to become a midwife.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that was extremely fulfilling for me at the time along that path.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: And for a whole bunch of reasons, but chief among which was the death of my own newborn son.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: That just wasn't the career path for me to continue with anymore in a healthy way.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I left that career and went into this business.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then I had two other babies after my second born died.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of fulfilled through those babies, but now my youngest is three years old and I couldn't pour all of that into him anymore.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I kept also having this weird intrusive thought, like, I need to have more babies.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I was also like, no, no, thank you.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Done and done and done.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it was playing out in my business because it is a part of my soul purpose.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's still part of my soul purpose and my soul mission, but there was no vehicle for it.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it was kind of being poured into my existing business where I was bringing in this energy of like it's not just a mothering energy.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think I just have a mother energy, and there's not a problem with that, and it's actually a beautiful thing.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was more like specifically the desire to take care of infants and toddlers and like little beings that can't take care of themselves yet.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was kind of applying that to certain people in my audience and attracting people who are in a state of where they probably had that matching sacral chakra wound of not having been met in the way and cared for in the way that they needed to.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: It just felt like the wrong place for all of that to be playing out, like people wanting that mothering from me in a way that was not sustainable or appropriate for the business that it was playing out in.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so with Elise, we realized on the call, like, oh, because you're still supposed to be doing something with this and something big.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the same as just going and volunteering at a daycare or something like that.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's something really big, it's a soul mission thing.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And when we can separate the two, and you can put appropriate energy into the appropriate business or soul purpose path, then there doesn't have to be this weird mix-up and crossover kind of thing going on.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: So it was almost like you were like misapplying this other part of your soul's purpose, which is to be a steward of the babies and also shift the consciousness around the way that we think about taking care of children and babies.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: From a very young age, and like the way that we look at their consciousness and like how they are as beings.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was like this very this huge thing when I started tapping into it.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: You already obviously know it on a very deep level, but I started tapping into it and I was like, oh my God, you're trying to do this thing in this business, and that makes no sense.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why you keep coming up against this feeling of you have to like take care of everyone or bring these people along, right?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so it was like, oh, then you just need to bring this energy over here.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not like you need to figure out exactly how to do that right now.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: It was just more about having the awareness that there was this other part of your purpose that just wasn't being acknowledged or fulfilled yet.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so that energy was getting applied in the wrong way, which I found to be so interesting.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: Cause I feel like that is something that probably is happening for other people as well, and they don't realize it.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that that part was really powerful.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: So it was like, okay, we got to that, right?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: So let's start there and then we can go into the other stuff.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: So we got to that, and it was like, oh my God, holy shit, this is amazing.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it was almost like a high for us too, because between the two of us, we were really able to anchor in the enormity of that energy that you are meant to bring forward onto the planet.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: And that was really, I remember feeling high after that call because we both could feel how powerful it was.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like, oh my God.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I don't know what to do with myself right now.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like, so that was amazing.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: And then in a sense, I was like, okay, we got to it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: That was it.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: But then it wasn't.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: So then can you take us like from there?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: So then I remember I was still coming up against some pricing confusion and just this, it was just a whole series of little random bits and pieces that I was sort of sorting out with you.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I feel like for me, the point where I really hit the nail on the head was remembering that I had this propensity ever since childhood to collect stray animals or like bring home pets, much to my parents' like total annoyance.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I would like bring home hamsters, bunnies, turtles, fish.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I would just attract, like literally magnetize the stray cats in the neighborhood.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, I would feed them and then they would stay.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so at one point, in my parents' house in town, we didn't live in the country, we had 13 cats, and that was all my doing.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And there's something, it's like I just want to nurse people back to health, but I don't feel like I carry the archetype of the nurse.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't really that.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I want to take the birds with the broken wings, I want to fix that wing, and I want to set them back free, but there's still something unconscious about it.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really seeing how to accept this part of myself and leverage it.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's playing out in a warpy, kind of like not fully acknowledged and integrated way.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: So that what was happening is I just, you know, for all the amazing, powerful, very powerful and very activated and self-leading people that I've also magnetized into my world, I have this little pool of people who really are struggling with life so badly and so hard.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's real and it's valid that that's what they're experiencing.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: But there was something in me that felt overly responsible to help them and to set them free, even though I intellectually understand that I can't.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's not my power to do so, but I kept playing out behaviorally in a way that was really unconscious.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I shared a whole series of voice messages with you.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it was maybe like a few days later that you brought forward your download.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: And when you shared it with me, I was like, that's it.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: At least you found it.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it is.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's literally what it is.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: I also just want to share some of the things that you shared to kind of like illustrate it for people, too.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think the way that it was showing up for you is you were kind of going crazy in a way.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Not like literally crazy, but it was kind of spinning you out because you knew on the one hand, you know, as a successful business owner and the version of you that's just like in your power, was like, I know what I need to do.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: I need to launch this program, this program, this is what it should be, price.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like you had it all there, like you knew.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: But then there was this other part of you, but wait, I have to create this thing for these people.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: And and you like knew intellectually that you didn't, but there was something like pulling you to do this that was almost out of your control, or almost like where it was kind of stopping you from moving forward fully with the things that you knew you were meant to do in the business.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_03: So that's where it was interesting to me because I was like, oh wow, the pull of this is so strong that it was like pulling you away from doing what you knew you needed to do.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, there was that piece that was like unconscious about it.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, why?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and this is so important to point out.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I love this stuff so much, is because if you weren't working with me or you weren't as tuned in as you are, you would probably just do that thing of creating the thing that's not a lot of money, then you wouldn't be making the money that you need to make in the business.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: And it would kind of like keep going on this cycle, right?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think these things are more subtle, where a lot of people don't even realize where these like motivations are coming from, and they allow them to override like decisions you would have made if you were in your power or whatever you want to call it, you know, if you were just operating from present time instead of being driven from something that is rooted in wounding from the past, right?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: So we kind of like went through a lot of, you know, just like talking it through.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then I was uh driving in the car and all of a sudden it hit me.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: It was almost like it was like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like I saw the entire pattern in like a visual.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: And this is what happens for me a lot.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: I saw the pattern as a visual, but the reason why it was like such a powerful visual is because this pattern specifically is all unconscious energetic patterns.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: It had nothing to do with any conscious thought, any logic, any verbal, any event, even relational.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't even relational.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: So that was the thing I could see it almost as like puzzle pieces fitting together.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I saw the way that your energy had fit together with your mother's energy.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, you had told me enough about your mother at this point.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: I tuned into her energy really strongly.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then what happened is I was able to see this pattern of ameshment that was occurring that was very deep.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: This is something that people would not normally be aware of or have words for.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: And it was so exciting to me when I got it.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: And this is very common, and this is why I want everybody to listen to this because it's probably gonna really pop something for you.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: What happens is when you are like growing inside of your mother, you know, you have this very deep connection with her.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: And not only are you feeling her energy, but like you are her energy, you know, like you guys are one being.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: So most people will create some type of pattern of enmeshment with their mother, right?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: And it just depends on what flavor it is, right?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: So, and I will say too that I think sometimes it takes a long time of work to even get to this type of thing, right?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: But you were at the point where you are so tuned into these more subtleties that you could feel it, right?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: Let's almost like the princess and the pea.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like once you get to that point, you're like, oh, I know there's something here, right?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: So then what I could see was the pattern of enmeshment is basically when you are so connected to your mother and you are a very sensitive, empathic, you know, healer.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: And at the same time, you are a young baby being who needs your mother to survive, right?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a combination of needing her to be okay so that you can survive and being very sensitive and empathetic and having come to this planet to heal, right?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: To heal people, right?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: So you already have that natural drive within you to heal.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: So you would be innately looking to do that even as you come in and like your soul comes in.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: So what happened was as you were like connected to your mother, you were able to tune into these subtle ways that she would abandon herself, right?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I just want to back up for one second and just say this because I think this is very important for people to understand.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: You described your mother to me as when you were growing up, you felt so loved by her.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: You felt so connected to her.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like there was anything that would have put up any like red flag around she was narcissistic or she was emotionally abusive, like none of that.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: So this is another way that it's really important.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: If anybody is sitting out there being like, oh, I didn't have any trauma with my mom, listen to this because there's always something here, right?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: So, anyways, you would have described your relationship with her as like very supportive, very loving.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: But what you did describe to me was certain ways that, you know, she abandoned herself or whatever happened, right?
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: And everybody has this stuff.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: So getting back to what you did as a young child is you were tuned into her field, right?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: And as a healer and also as an empath, and also as somebody, a young child who needed her needs met, you tuned into what does she need?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because there's something that she needs that she's not getting.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: And if she doesn't get that need met, then I'm not gonna get my needs met.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: And mind you, this is all on a very unconscious level, right?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is energetic patterning.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: This is not thought.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: So you would have tuned in and been like, oh, there's this place where my mom is abandoning herself, right?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: And it's almost like there is a void in my mother's field where she is not there for herself, where she feels abandoning herself.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: She's going unconscious in some way.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: So I am going to fit my puzzle piece of energy into this void that my mother has and try to save her essentially and heal her from her own self-abandonment.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: So I am now going to be looking for the places that she's abandoning herself or she's discarding herself.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to fill that void.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it created this drive, sort of this, you know, unconscious pattern of looking for people that were either like abandoning themselves or not capable of being there for themselves in some way.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: And then you felt this unconscious drive to take care of that or save them or be there for them or help them.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: And it was causing this need to like, you know, what you described, take care of the people who weren't like taking care of themselves, essentially.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: So do you think I described that well?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Did I miss anything?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was so perfect.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is how you know if it's the right thing, even though I've already processed this, as Elise is describing it, is bringing up the emotions in my heart.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, I just loved my mom so much.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: I loved her so much, and I could feel the pain she was in.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to make that better.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: And totally, it's from a level of an age that obviously I'm not thinking consciously that way, but I'm also like, it's pre-verbal.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's not verbal.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's pre-verbal, exactly.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: So there's no thought.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: There's no thought, there's no memory, there's no words.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's a pattern of energy.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: So that's why it would be so hard for someone to recognize it or even be aware of it.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: And this is what is like so important to understand around like these deeper layers of the mother wound, especially because there's going to be some kind of enmeshment there because you were her at some time.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like you guys were one.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: There's going to be some way that everyone ends up enmeshing with their mother.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that this was such a powerful piece because it was almost like it showed up in a way that you could no longer ignore, or you were no longer willing to ignore, right?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's the most beautiful thing about the business is gonna show you, it's gonna show you everything.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it just was at a point in time where you were like, okay, I need to like look at this and I need to shift this.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it was such a powerful excavation of an energy.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: And what was so cool is as soon as I said it, there was a huge shift.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_03: And can you describe that?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it clicked, it all clicked.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the other crazy thing is that the reason my wonderful, wonderful mother, and exactly I think that's such an important point, is I wasn't abused by my mom, even on a subtle level.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: I feel so grateful to have had the mother that I have.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it was even that subtle, but it was still there.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: But the the crazy thing is that the reason, a big reason, probably the primary one behind her self-abandonment, is that her birth mother died when she was 18 months old following a very severe illness.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: So she was abandoned as a baby.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's what she experienced unintentionally, of course, by on her mother's part.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: But and so, me with my sole purpose coming in as a baby is like, I gotta save my mom who was abandoned as a baby.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's so deeply wired into me that everybody who probably has that sacral wound, I'm like, I just have to give endlessly of myself because this is what I'm here for, but it's coming from my own wounding.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: It felt like it all clicked, and that emotional shift is how I knew that, yeah, no, that's it.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I couldn't see.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like it all made sense, all lined up, and I was like, oh, that's exactly what it is, that's where it's coming from, and the way it manifested, because there was emotion around it, it just wasn't like PTSD kind of emotion, right?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: So it didn't feel like trauma, but it behaved like a trauma pattern, but very subtly.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the emotion behind it that I was experiencing before I worked with Elise was it was confusing because it was also like, but I just feel like it's because I just love people, like it's a wound in my heart.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: I just love people.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: I see everybody in their inner child state, and I love the child that they are and the adult they've grown into, wounded though they may be, and I just want to hug them and love them all better.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was also confusing because then you can start to internalize it and be like, well, maybe I shouldn't be charging so much money, or maybe this isn't in integrity, maybe it's not an alignment, even though when you look at your profits and loss statements, you can see very clearly that you have to be charging a certain amount of money, otherwise, you just cannibalize your own business and then you're not helping anyone, and then you trigger yourself into a crazy autoimmune situation, and you can't, you're not helping anyone, right?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, like intellectually and data-wise, I could see no, I do need to be charging certain prices, but the wounding in my heart was like, but maybe that's wrong, maybe it's not spiritual, maybe it's out of integrity, but really it was all coming from the feeling of just loving my mom and feeling like I am her and wanting to soothe the pain that I could feel in her, and that never got resolved or processed or even brought into my conscious awareness.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just still there, just cycling around in the background and playing out any other time that there was a similar like energy presenting itself.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I just love this stuff.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: My whole like drive in life is just to find like the deepest thing.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what is the deepest layer here?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: I have to get to it because it was so funny too.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: Because, you know, you told me like I had a great relationship with my mom, like blah blah blah.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, no, no, no.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like my brain is just so obsessed.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then it was funny too because when I got that download, it was like Saturday.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: I saw you a Voxeral Saturday at eight o'clock, which is so not like etiquette.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm like, I can't hold this in.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: And then I sent a little thing underneath.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, just listen to this on Monday.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: But it was so powerful and I could feel it so deeply.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I have to tell her right now because it was hard to see, you know, it was really hard to see at first, and it took me a few weeks of really tuning in and teasing it apart and like just tuning in and tuning in and tuning in to be able to see it because it's one of these very subtle things.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I think this is like just such an important thing to understand about trauma, is it's not always literal.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's not always like something that you can even put your finger on or know is there, but it will show up as a pattern, right?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that was the way that you you finally got to this point where you're like, there's something happening here.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: Cause I think, you know, when people hear about trauma, it's like, oh, well, I don't think I have any trauma.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's not gonna show up in your mind as, oh, I'm traumatized.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna show up as something that just keeps happening over and over again or some point that you can't get past, even with the, you know, the income thing.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: There was a certain point where you just couldn't get past.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's important to understand too, because it's not gonna show up in the way that you think.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: And typically, if there is some kind of thing that keeps happening, there's just some deeper layer that you're not seeing.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's just so important to delve into it.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes it takes a lot of figuring out before you get to it.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: Cause I know you did a lot around this before you even came to me.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I mean, there were a lot of patterns that I did inherit from my mom that I was aware of.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: For example, she made herself ill working in a career that was not in alignment for her, but she like made herself do it or whatever, and I could see the like weird vestiges of that playing out in me.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, I was able to work on a whole bunch of angles with the complicated relationship with my mom, strangely complicated because we get along and we're so similar, and I love her and she loves me with great conversations, but there's still all these like little layers, whereas my dad feels very neutral, and you even said that you got me to describe my dad, and you're like, we could just leave your dad out of it.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: I can tell it's not about him.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, it isn't in this particular area.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll say too, just in case anybody relates to this.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: So the other way that I knew it was a pattern, and I knew that it was something that I had to explore, I thought I could do it by myself for a long time, and I did as much as I could by myself, which is what made it possible to work together for a month and figure it out, right?
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you're newly aware of it, probably I imagine it would take longer, and that's totally okay.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: But this is like obviously a hype up for Elise, but also just working with a healer or somebody, because I don't think I would have gotten to this by myself.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was so deep and subtle, and like at such a primal level of my consciousness that I don't think I could have seen it on my own.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: And this is why it's so valuable to work with somebody.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: But it was showing up to us, it was this cycling pattern of like you were describing before.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I literally lived through that until I was like, I can't do this anymore, of pricing things really low and then burning myself out and then resenting my audience, and then being like, Well, I don't want to do this and resent my audience.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what I'm in it for.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: But repeating that over and over and over and realizing, okay, it's not my sales strategy, it's not the quality of the content I'm creating, it's also not my audience.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: It is kind of my messaging, but it's like at a subtler level.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've taken the content courses, I've learned how to speak to people's power.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I also, this is how I knew it was something deeper, is like I have had multiple mentors or been in programs or whatever, or just heard, you know, people that I admire and look up to in business say a whole bunch of times different things, like, oh, you just need to take create different tiers for people at different income levels and readiness in your business to all have somewhere to go.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or um, we had the same mentor, Jocelyn Kelly Reed, who I really love, and she would say, like, people aren't broken birds.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, but they are, like, I can feel it.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like I can't, ah, you know, and so like I could hear people who clearly know what they're doing make statements like this, or oh, if you're creating your low cost offers just to feed the people who aren't in their power in your audience, like that's why you're not growing.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: And like I could apply what they were.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Saying and still not break through that pattern because my intellect could only take it so far, it couldn't override like the deep, deep, deep programming, which I honestly don't know.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Elise, if it qualifies as nervous system programming, maybe I'm sure there's a component, but it felt even deeper.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: It felt like identity component, like core identity.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, completely.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_03: And not to say I think there's incredible value in nervous system work.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I also feel that when you get to these deeper layers, I feel like you don't even need to do that because it's like you get underneath of like why you would need nervous system work in the first place.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: And if you can heal that, and again, I'm not saying anything bad about that because I think it's valuable for people.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_03: However, I feel like there's a deeper place to go that we don't even need to worry about that.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I love how you brought this up because I say this all the time.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: If it were just about applying like strategies of how there would be a lot more successful business owners, right?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's not about that.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: And like you get that, and you know all the strategies, you know about creating different offers at different price points.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's not that, right?
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: Once you are like, okay, and then you like do it, but it's like there's still something under there.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: And that's the place where I think people think, oh, well, I just need to learn another strategy, or I just need to like learn something else.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, there's a deeper energetic component to it of like why you wouldn't be able to, even if you implemented the strategy or even if you did the thing, it's not gonna land because of this deeper thing that's going on, right?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: And I think you were like obviously able to see that over time.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, okay, all these people that really know what they're talking about are telling me this thing, and they're not wrong.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's just that there was something within you that wasn't able to allow that thing to work because this other thing had to be addressed first.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that is again the beauty of the business, is that it will show you every step of the way, sadly.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: That is that is like one of the best pieces about deciding to become an entrepreneur is you will be forced to either heal or quit.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: You have to look at all your pieces.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's no in-between.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's heal or quit.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you don't have the illusion of a boss or a manager to get mad at and blame.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's only you, you know, like another thing that I did inherit from my mom, but I was able to clear on my own was like repeating this like insanely packed schedule and being exhausted and depleted all the time.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, I can't even blame my manager for screwing out my schedule.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's all me, it's 100% me.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's empowering, but also, you know, it can feel exhausting sometimes, but whatever, I'm here for it.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: But one thing I do want to say too is if somebody is resonating with what I'm saying, applying the strategies, you can feel little changes, little successes, but it's not working in the same way that you know it should be as you look at the person you learn it from.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: What I also observed in myself is that there were times where I could learn the strategy, and then when it came to applying it, it was like it would turn dyslexic.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't see where to apply it or how to apply it in my business.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like, well, now it's nice because I can go back into the courses that I invested in that I couldn't apply, and now I can look at how to apply them.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: But at the time I kept feeling like, oh, I'm wasting so much money.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like I keep signing up for these courses and nothing changes.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: I knew it wasn't because the information was bad, but I kind of was playing into for a while this narrative of, oh, it's because my business is different.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like for sure, you and I have talked about it, it is different being like a healer or an oracle or something like that, versus being a coach.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of the online business success strategy comes from the coaching industry.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes it's not a perfect fit, but yeah, I could kind of tell that after a while I had to be like, is it that my business is different, or is it that there's something in the way?
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: And frustratingly, it took me a while to exhaust all my other options and be like, no, there's something else, something needs to get shifted and healed.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: But that's part of the human journey too.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it takes us a while of repeating the pattern before we can really see it for what it is.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, a hundred percent.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think that there's so many people that end up signing up for the metamorphosis have literally been watching me launch it for like the last four years.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: Or they're doing it again because they want to keep growing, right?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_03: Because you want to be able to think that the answer is something easier or what seems easier.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: I actually think this stuff is pretty easy, but people don't think of it that way, right?
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: It feels, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to relive all of these emotions or it's gonna be so burdensome or taxing.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: But it really isn't.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's just about pinpointing what the thing is.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that's something that I think stops people from wanting to do this type of work, but it really doesn't require that.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe there'll be emotions that come up for people, but it doesn't require like reliving painful memories or getting to a really dark place.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: It really doesn't.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, and I mean, mind you, of course, I already said that I have a good relationship with my mom and she wasn't abusive.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't coming from that place, but it does come from a place where when I connect with the emotion, it brings tears to my eyes.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think I journaled a single word the whole time we worked together.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: Part of it, rather than going deep into these painful places you haven't visited in ages, and it's like scary and intimidating.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the process, at least for me working with you, was having somebody who would listen to seven-minute long boxes in a row, like listening to me verbally process like all the little weird pieces.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you hold a really beautiful space because like you took the time to get around to listening to my messages when you could.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we both work in boxers, so we both understand boxer etiquette.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I didn't feel cut off by you.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel like I had to try and summarize very complex thoughts into a small voice message.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I felt, well, I can verbally process all of this, and if at the end of three longer messages I've come to a more succinct conclusion, I can be like, listen if you want, here's the summary.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it was really helpful to even just have a space to process all that, and a lot of it was just teasing apart the tangle of thoughts, and there were, there was a lot of jumble.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like some of the things we talked about didn't even really fully factor in with all of this, but it was the deeper stuff that needed to be seen so it could be.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if even healed is the right word.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: I really feel like I just needed to see it so I could recognize it and be like, oh, now when I feel that feeling come up, I just send love to my mom.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then I feel better.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, because you are now aware of what's actually happening.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I say all the time.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: If you're triggered or you have something come up, if you address what's actually happening, it dissolves immediately.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's just about being able to know what's actually happening versus trying to like address what you think is happening.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_03: Then it never ends.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_03: But if you can address what is actually happening, everything just moves so fast.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why it's so powerful.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_03: But I just wanted to say really quick about the boxer messages.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny because I used to ask people to try to keep their messages shorter for whatever reason.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: But then I realized for the purposes of my business, I actually don't even want that.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: And even though, yes, sometimes it'll take me longer to listen to messages, it's actually really helpful for me, even to hear you talk about whatever.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like that was actually how I was able to really get the download because I was like so tuned into your energy just from listening to you talk that that was actually helpful for me, even though maybe not all the information was like relevant, quote unquote.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's still helpful for me to hear you talk because, in whatever way, it helps me to see what's actually going on.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I keep seeing?
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost like crime shows or like uh CSI or whatever those shows, they're trying to figure out the case and they have all the pictures up on the wall and the diagrams, and they're half a Sharpie and like a whiteboard and stuff.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I feel like it is for me.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: I have everything there, and then all of a sudden, like they have the moment where like it clicks.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I feel like it is.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_03: So I realized, I don't know, maybe six months ago or a year ago, I was like, I'm not gonna tell people that there's a limit on their voxer.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, if someone's leaving me like four 15-minute messages every day, that might be a lot, but no one does that.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_03: So I was like, I'm no longer limiting these because I feel like there's actually for the nature of my work, it actually is beneficial for both of us.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: So it is really helpful to hear that.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just funny though, because it like feels like, are we getting anywhere?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: But we were totally, because there's these little clues that come out in the stream of consciousness.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes in a seven-minute message, it's like one little clue, but that clue is so necessary to piece the whole thing together.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_03: So necessary.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I always say I will listen to like a seven-minute message from someone, and there'll literally be one word that they said that like rings bells for me, and I'll be like, I'll hear the word and I'll be like, and I see the whole pattern.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: I just see all of it, and I'm like, that's it.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: But if they didn't have the space to leave me that seven-minute message, I wouldn't have been able to see that word and I wouldn't have gotten the download.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they don't know what it is.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they're working with you.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're just talking.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I know we we have to wrap up here in a minute, but what would you say now is the difference.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I know you said you made$20,000 in a week, so that's amazing.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: Is there anything else that you didn't mention of just like the way that things are different now?
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_01: I just feel a lot cleaner energetically in the way that I am structuring things.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like it just feels easy.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas before there was the intellectual part of myself that knew that this is how it has to go for it to operate as a business and for me to sustainably be able to continue to support people in the ways that I do.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: But there was that wounded heart piece that was like always trying to dismantle that.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was very hard.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was like I was at odds with myself all the time.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: So right now I'm in the background creating what I would call like a low-ticket membership for all of my because my podcast is called Third Eye Awakening.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I bring in a lot of people who are newly awakening and I love that.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm creating a membership for them that feels not like an overgive.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: It feels very appropriate, very clean energetically, feels totally lighting me up, and it kind of solves what I was trying to do in the first place, but that was getting hijacked by that wound that I couldn't see.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's amazing.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_03: And then it's so funny because once you clear the pattern, like everything becomes so clear.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's not even like you have to think about it.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: The money part, like super exciting, having the offering, super exciting.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: And those are like tangible pieces that help to make sense for people who are looking for a particular outcome.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll say, like the big benefit for me, the way that I'm really feeling it, is just not having that energy leak all the time because it was really draining me a lot constantly.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: And now it's just not there.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, when I feel it's hardly come up at all because I can see it, oh, that's what it was.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not really needing to play out because it's finally been seen and acknowledged.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: But when it does come up, I'm just like, mommy, I love you, mommy.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I see you and everything you've been through, and then that's it.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's all that's needed.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: And my energy, my mental space, my emotional space, all of it is free to put towards the things that I really want to be doing, both in my business and in my personal life.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that is invaluable to me.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, I'm gonna cry.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_03: Let me just hold it together.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: I just love this so much, and this was so amazing to dive into this with you and also help you with this thing that felt so like you couldn't get your head around it or you couldn't figure it out, and like also like have a part in helping you grow your business because your business is so important, your work is incredible.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: You're such a like clear channel of light.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm honored for that.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: And like, thank you for trusting me to do this.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_03: And it was really awesome, but and it was also just really fun.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you, Lise.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: 10 out of 10 recommend working with you.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: You you held an amazing container, and I'm so grateful.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you so much, and we will end it there.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_03: And please, everyone, reach out to me if you have any questions, follow Amy, because she's amazing and has so many great things to offer if you don't follow her already.
• 57:37
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• 57:38
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• 58:06
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• 58:11
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