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Killer Thriller: Something was OFF about Scott Peterson and Court TV's Ted Rowlands knew it! · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy Robock and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your
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  Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller.
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  Speaker 2: Few true crime stories have gripped America like the murder
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  Speaker 2: of Lacy Peterson. A beautiful, pregnant wife vanishes on Christmas Eve.
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  Speaker 2: Her seemingly perfect husband goes on national television insisting he's innocent.
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  Speaker 2: Then the lies affairs, media frenzy, and courtroom bombshells begin
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  Speaker 2: piling up. The story became one of the biggest true
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  Speaker 2: crime obsessions of the two thousands and inspired the TV
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  Speaker 2: movie The Perfect Husband The Lacy Peterson Story. Today, we're
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  Speaker 2: joined by veteran court TV journalist Ted Rowlands, who covered
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  Speaker 2: the case from the very beginning and interviewed Scott Peterson
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  Speaker 2: inside his home while Lacey was still missing.
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  Speaker 1: Ted, Welcome to Killer Thriller. I'm so thrilled to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh glad to be with you as well. It's a
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  Speaker 3: great to see you. I've watched you many times, but
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  Speaker 3: to actually meet you as fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Well, ditto, because I have been so.
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  Speaker 2: Just impressed with the trajectory of your career, which essentially
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  Speaker 2: the first question being did you think that you'd still
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  Speaker 2: be talking about Scott Peterson all these years later.
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  Speaker 3: No. I met him the day on the twenty sixth,
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  Speaker 3: the morning of the twenty sixth of December, back in
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and two, and you know, it was just
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  Speaker 3: another missing person story, but there was something. We went
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  Speaker 3: to my photographer, I went to his door, asked for
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  Speaker 3: an interview, and he refused and he didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: be on camera, which is so different than any other
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  Speaker 3: missing family member, because you want everyone to help find
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  Speaker 3: your loved one, and he was the opposite. He turned
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  Speaker 3: that thing off, gave us a flyer, set us on
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  Speaker 3: our way, and we both looked at each other and hmmm,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna be back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, so you knew me.
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  Speaker 2: This is like, you know, from the outside, me and
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  Speaker 2: my armchair, you know, expert tise over here. It's easy
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  Speaker 2: to say, like, oh, of course, all that behavior is
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  Speaker 2: so weird. I would have thought immediately that something was wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but it kind of sounds like you did think that
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 3: But during the whole thing, I went up and down.
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  Speaker 3: I got to know him very well, his family, and
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  Speaker 3: when Amber Fry, the girlfriend popped out, everyone else said, scoundrel.
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  Speaker 3: He did it. I thought, oh boy, this is it.
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  Speaker 3: This is why he's acting so weird. He was cheating
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  Speaker 3: on his wife. He didn't kill his wife. That's why
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  Speaker 3: he didn't want to be on camera. That's why he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: He was reluctant to do interviews and be seen. He
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  Speaker 3: didn't want the affair to come out. You know. Since then,
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  Speaker 3: I've gone up and down many times as well.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, So when you first went into his house
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  Speaker 2: and actually did get to interview him, what was your
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  Speaker 2: impression of him and the house.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was at this point we had conversed daily.
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  Speaker 3: I harassed him like I never harassed any one in
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  Speaker 3: my calling him and he was a nice guy, so
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  Speaker 3: he really couldn't. He could decline some calls, but he
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  Speaker 3: would always answer, you know, once a day he would answer.
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  Speaker 3: We talked for a while, and so we had established
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  Speaker 3: a relationship ish, but it was one sided. And boy,
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  Speaker 3: when we walked in his house, he was in control.
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  Speaker 3: He had all the rules, be there for five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: told us to take our shoes off, and it was
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  Speaker 3: very orchestrated. He did not answer any question with any
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  Speaker 3: depth at all, and it was kind of what we expected.
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  Speaker 3: But we walked out of there thinking, hmm, this just
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem like a guy that's lost his wife an
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  Speaker 3: unborn child. It's more of a guy that's trying to evade.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it seems so.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, none of it made any sense to me
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  Speaker 2: when you see this person who you know. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: no one knows how you're going to respond if something
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  Speaker 2: so tragic happens, right, But I would imagine that ninety
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  Speaker 2: eight percent of the people on the planet would have
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  Speaker 2: an emotional response of some sort.
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  Speaker 1: When they have to speak on this.
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  Speaker 2: And I was just struck by the kind of diabolical
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  Speaker 2: evenness of him.
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  Speaker 1: It's really creepy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know when he did that interview on
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  Speaker 3: what I think it was Peacock just it was recently
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  Speaker 3: within the last.
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  Speaker 1: Five Yes, I watched.
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  Speaker 3: I was very eager because it was like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: what are we going to get here? And it was
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  Speaker 3: the same salesman, nice guy. After sitting in prison for
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  Speaker 3: twenty years, you'd been throwing your hair out, yelling and screamings,
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  Speaker 3: they get me out right, But it wasn't that.
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  Speaker 2: At all, right, I mean, it's in It's crazy to me,
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  Speaker 2: so all right, let's going back to Christmas Eve two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and two. What exactly did he originally tell the
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  Speaker 2: police that he had been doing the day that Lazy disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: He told friends that he had gone golfing, but he
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  Speaker 3: told police in his interview that he went up to
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  Speaker 3: the San Francisco Bay to launch his new boat and
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  Speaker 3: was going to come home and have dinner with Lacey.
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  Speaker 3: He was going to stop off and pick up a basket.
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  Speaker 3: They were going to go over to Lacey's parents' house
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  Speaker 3: for Christmas Eve dinner, And that was his story to
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  Speaker 3: the police. The problem is that he had told friends
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  Speaker 3: he was golfing, and he was a member of a
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  Speaker 3: golf club and golf all the time. But why lie
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  Speaker 3: about that? Why? And so the inconsistencies did begin immediately
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  Speaker 3: in terms of his story.
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  Speaker 1: So that is also what struck me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean so many things about this, like your pregnant
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  Speaker 2: wife and you're going to go fishing or golfing, but
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  Speaker 2: also that the marina was ninety minutes from his home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in Modesto and he's going up to the
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  Speaker 3: San Francisco Bay, which is a gnarly place to launch
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  Speaker 3: a fourteen foot boat that you just bought off the
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  Speaker 3: street from some dude with cash.
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  Speaker 1: In December.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I live in I live in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 2: and let me tell you. When I first moved here
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  Speaker 2: and somebody was like, oh, we're going to do a
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  Speaker 2: sailing boat trip, you know in June, I was like, oh, great,
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  Speaker 2: in my little shorts and everybody's wearing parkas and like
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  Speaker 2: rain jackets and boots. You know, there's no such thing
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  Speaker 2: as especially in December, you know, of a nice little
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  Speaker 2: boat ride out in the San Francisco Bay.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I lived there many many years, and it is
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  Speaker 3: it's you would never in a million years go fishing
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  Speaker 3: on Christmas Eve. Again, to your point, when your wife
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  Speaker 3: is eight and a half months pregnant, if you did
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  Speaker 3: do that, good luck coming home because you.
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  Speaker 1: Are exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Locked out.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. So, how important was it that the discovery of
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  Speaker 1: Lacy and her onborn child, Connor's bodies they were found
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  Speaker 1: near the exact area where Scott admitted that he had
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  Speaker 1: been fishing. I mean, how important was that discovery?
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  Speaker 3: Well, very important for really both sides of the equation
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  Speaker 3: that the defense says, Okay, of course they were found
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  Speaker 3: there because the kidnappers put her there, they put her
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  Speaker 3: and Connor in the bay exactly where he had put
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  Speaker 3: himself launching from the Berkeley Marina. And of course for prosecutors,
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  Speaker 3: it gave them the green light to arrest him and
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  Speaker 3: go to traub because before that, without the bodies, there's
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  Speaker 3: no way they could have won this this case. I
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  Speaker 3: sat through the entire trial and I wasn't sure which
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  Speaker 3: way it was going to go, because on the outside, yes, oh,
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  Speaker 3: of course he did it. But if you get your
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  Speaker 3: get into the details, and I warned people not to
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  Speaker 3: because it's miserable, how did he do it? You know?
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  Speaker 3: And that's the question that to this day his family,
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  Speaker 3: who supports him to this day, asked, Okay, you think
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  Speaker 3: he did it, tell me how he did it? And
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  Speaker 3: when you start going down that rabbit hole it is
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  Speaker 3: it's I'm not sure how he pulled it off.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean it brings up more questions if you
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  Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole or it's too gruesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, in terms of specifically how he did it. Did
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  Speaker 3: the prosecutor in this case, Rick Destasso said in his
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  Speaker 3: closing argument to the jury, we don't know when he
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  Speaker 3: did it, We don't know how he did it. We
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  Speaker 3: just know he did it, and the jury went with that,
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  Speaker 3: and I get it, and I'm going with it too,
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  Speaker 3: But how did he do this? It's a very There
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  Speaker 3: was no blood, no fluid at all. If you killed
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  Speaker 3: her in the house, the time is limited. He's taken.
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  Speaker 3: He has to take her in his truck to his workshop,
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  Speaker 3: transfer the body into the either back of the boat,
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  Speaker 3: or keep her in the truck and drag the boat
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  Speaker 3: up to the then transfer where do you transfer the body?
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  Speaker 3: And now hours have gone by. A dead pregnant woman
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  Speaker 3: is going to release fluids. Everybody does when they're dead.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing in the boat, nothing in the house. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have time to clean up. There's no time to clean
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  Speaker 3: up because he makes he makes a phone call, putting
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  Speaker 3: himself in between the bay and modesto and the services
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  Speaker 3: on immediately. No time to go back to the warehouse,
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  Speaker 3: clean up the house. They've got a warrant, a search warrant.
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  Speaker 3: So it is it's hard to fathom how we do.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, you know, every time I talk, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: like everyone, I think, I have my strong feelings and
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  Speaker 2: opinions based on nothing except for my own instincts. When
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  Speaker 2: I see this person, speak, and then all of the
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  Speaker 2: details of the great and if he could lie so
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  Speaker 2: directly to his girlfriend that he's in Paris while he's
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  Speaker 2: you know, at a midnight visial or what have you,
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  Speaker 2: looking for his wife. All of those things are so diabolical.
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  Speaker 2: But it just feels like, how.
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  Speaker 1: In what universe does he not just blatantly.
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  Speaker 2: Admit his innocence, like from the beginning, like plead his
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  Speaker 2: his cay, Like.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: That even with the in laws. So if you think about,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I get caught shooting having this affair with
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  Speaker 3: Amber Fry, they now don't believe me. But time has
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  Speaker 3: gone by twenty thirty years, and still he's almost thirty years,
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  Speaker 3: he's now still not I mean, I would be calling
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  Speaker 3: them from my prison phone every day saying, listen, you
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  Speaker 3: gotta believe me. I was cheating on her. I did
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  Speaker 3: not kill her, and that went. He was silent from
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  Speaker 3: the beginning. So to your point, and yes, people react differently.
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  Speaker 3: I get that, not over time, not sitting in a
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  Speaker 3: box in the California prison system.
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  Speaker 2: Right, You've said that Scott never really seemed to feel
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  Speaker 2: a loss for Connor, for his unborn son.
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  Speaker 1: Is that was that something that stood out to you
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  Speaker 1: from the very beginning?
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  Speaker 3: I know, I don't want to say that, because you
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  Speaker 3: know what he was going on and what was going
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  Speaker 3: on inside him. I don't know, you know, his affect
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  Speaker 3: was very just bland, and I would assume that he
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  Speaker 3: did feel a loss. He by all accounts his parents,
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  Speaker 3: lace his parents, all the siblings, all the friends. This
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  Speaker 3: is a guy that you know, helped build up the
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  Speaker 3: nursery and was the the the epitome of an expecting
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  Speaker 3: father during the pregnancy. So I don't know, it is
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  Speaker 3: so hard to get. That's why the case is so fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: Why why what was the upside? Really? You got rid
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  Speaker 3: of her so that you could be with Amber Fry
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  Speaker 3: and that's what the family says. No nobody would right,
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  Speaker 3: and she had a child. He didn't want to be
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  Speaker 3: a father. It doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: So so much of the you know, when I hear
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  Speaker 2: the Lacey's girlfriends speak about her in the new The
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  Speaker 2: Peacock documentary documentary, it really does feel like they again
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  Speaker 2: maybe this is you know, in retrospect, et cetera, but
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  Speaker 2: they do make it seem as though he wasn't really
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  Speaker 2: that interested in having a child. He kind of was
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  Speaker 2: making her if she wasn't having a great Christmas season as.
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  Speaker 1: This person who historically has.
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  Speaker 2: Loved the holidays, and all of those things seemed to
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  Speaker 2: contribute to to saying this man was didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: be there.
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  Speaker 3: Which obviously there's he's having an affair, so there's a
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  Speaker 3: part there was problems, problems with the marriage and with
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  Speaker 3: him specifically, So yeah, I mean his trying to figure
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  Speaker 3: him out. Good luck the case itself, how did he
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  Speaker 3: do it? And all that. You know, there's so many
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  Speaker 3: different theories that his family and now that California Innocence
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  Speaker 3: Project is on to it because they're just looking at
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  Speaker 3: the black and white. They're looking at the evidence and
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  Speaker 3: sort of the lack of evidence. But then these other scenarios,
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  Speaker 3: the burglary at the team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's talk about that, all of that, the
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  Speaker 2: supposed new evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any validity to that?
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  Speaker 2: There's the van, the burnt out van, and then the
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  Speaker 2: watch that apparently was Lacy's that was sold at a
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  Speaker 2: pawn shop.
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  Speaker 3: Watch, So all of these things did bubble up and
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  Speaker 3: they were part of the initial investigation that the orange
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  Speaker 3: van and the mattress, all of that was right there
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  Speaker 3: in the park and it was sort of buried in
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  Speaker 3: the discovery and the defense really didn't hone in on
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  Speaker 3: it at the time. So is it new new to
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  Speaker 3: the to some people? And what they want to do
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  Speaker 3: the la A project. They want to test, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they want to test the van, the mattress. There were
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  Speaker 3: some bags, plastic bags found near the bodies when they
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  Speaker 3: were recovered in the Richmond Bay and that had duct
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  Speaker 3: tape on them, and they want to test that. There's
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  Speaker 3: duct tape on Lacey's what was left of Lacey's pants.
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  Speaker 3: So there is really nothing new except they say that
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  Speaker 3: through interviews that they do have a connection between the van,
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  Speaker 3: Lacy and the bodies. So is that that someone has
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  Speaker 3: come forward. Possibly They don't spell it out though in
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  Speaker 3: their habeas and they don't identify an individual or or
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  Speaker 3: individuals that might have connected the dots because without the
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  Speaker 3: dots being connected, it really is the same. So that said,
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  Speaker 3: if Lacey's DNA is in the van, game over Scott's innocent.
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  Speaker 3: If if they can connect someone through DNA off of
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  Speaker 3: the duct tape on Lacey's pants and it's some person
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  Speaker 3: that was in modesto x y Z Okay, then you
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  Speaker 3: then you've got something right.
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  Speaker 2: So do you think that because he seems to obviously
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  Speaker 2: be very supportive of this, trying to get this DNA testing,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. But do you think he'd be scared if
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  Speaker 2: they were going to test all these things if he
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  Speaker 2: was guilty.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he you wouldn't care. I mean, you might as
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  Speaker 3: well roll the dice. You and everybody thinks you did it.
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  Speaker 3: You can say, well, I was the husband. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: my DNA was on her pants, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's the right roll the dice because any it
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  Speaker 2: could have picked up somebody else's DNA somewhere along.
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  Speaker 3: And if he did, if he did it, which most
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  Speaker 3: of us think he did, what's really disheartening him for
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  Speaker 3: me is that seeing the way that his family has riled,
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  Speaker 3: rallied around him. You know, if if they didn't talk
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  Speaker 3: to him, or they weren't, I mean, Jane went and
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  Speaker 3: got a lot of Greek.
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  Speaker 1: This really freaks me out. Has dedicated her life.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, can you give her some peace? Can you just
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  Speaker 3: tell dad? Can you tell everyone you know what, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I did it. Well, he's too far down their road now.
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  Speaker 3: But it is such a shame that if he did it,
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  Speaker 3: that they are now forced to live this life thinking
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  Speaker 3: and the unthinkable. Can you imagine a loved one wrongfully
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  Speaker 3: convicted of such a horrible crime.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, it's it's terrible to consider, for sure,
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I really do think about that. It's his
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  Speaker 2: sister in law Jane, right, Yes, but she really just
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  Speaker 2: took the reins and went I'm so curious about that
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  Speaker 2: about why she not her brother, not his brother? Like
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  Speaker 2: this sister in law gets a very unusual dynamic.
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  Speaker 3: She's a unique person. I know her quite well and
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  Speaker 3: I love her. She's a great person and has worked hard.
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  Speaker 3: She's intelligent and really is she's caught up on how
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  Speaker 3: and the all of the you know, there's two ways
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  Speaker 3: to look at it. Do you just feel it you
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  Speaker 3: did it, But if you get into the details, then
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  Speaker 3: you question and you want to figure out this problem
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  Speaker 3: as math. That's her. She wants to figure out what
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  Speaker 3: happened exactly how, and she can't get all the way
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  Speaker 3: that Scott did it through the evidence, and that's why
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  Speaker 3: that's his defense, that's the la innocence project. So it's
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  Speaker 3: two ways to look at it. But if you do
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  Speaker 3: step back, which my wife always told me during the
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  Speaker 3: trial he did it. He did it, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: oh no, I don't know. You know, come on, man,
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  Speaker 3: there's just two ways to look at it, and his
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  Speaker 3: defense and his family's looking at it just black and white,
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  Speaker 3: and the rest of us, I think are sort of thinking,
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  Speaker 3: come on, man, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, because there You've done so many interviews about
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  Speaker 2: people who have been falsely imprisoned, and this one is
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  Speaker 2: just it's hard, it's complicated.
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  Speaker 3: The defense would there they want you to believe, and
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  Speaker 3: it's it is a leap that Lacey interrupts the burglary,
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  Speaker 3: the burglars throw her in a van and keep her
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  Speaker 3: for a while. What's the endgame there?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is she a superhero with a cape, like
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  Speaker 1: a pregnant lady eight and a half months pregnant and
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  Speaker 1: she's going to go stop a burglary. Just even that
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  Speaker 1: seems ludicrous to me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she you know, her personality was if she's walking
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Mackenzie the dog and she she sees someone at the
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Medina's house who she knows, she's gonna go and and
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: confront them, Oh she would, okay, guy, that I wouldn't
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: doubt that. I don't think anybody who knew her would
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: doubt that part of the equation. It's the the other guys.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: They're two bid thief, drug addicts in Modesto. I mean there,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: this is a lot to take on. Yes, open Lacy
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: up and put her in the back of the van
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: now and why and then then they have to watch
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the news and say, hmm, let's dump her in the
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: bay frame the husband, how do you pull that one off? Right?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: That's a lot to expect of a you know, a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: drug addict too.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Multiple criminals who now have not snitched you know this
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: many years later. It is a very difficult scenario, right
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: to take leap. There is one scenario that I was
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: when I was covering this. This guy calls me up
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and they went and met him at this bar near
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: a strip club in Modesto. And he says that Scott
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: came in and was talking to a guy at this
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: bar and they had hatched a plant to have Lacey's
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: land or over stolen and that might have morphed into
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: a kidnapping that Scott knew about and it went haywire.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: And if that what actually happened, that he knew the kidnappers,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: he he knew he had to get out of town.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Then all the pieces fit into place, because then they
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: would frame him and he wouldn't kill anyone because he's
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: still he's even worse.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Wait, why would they why would they want to have
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: her land Rover stolen for what apparently?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: And he it was like a scam, and then it
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: then they claim it maybe morphed into this sort of
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: kidnapping scenario, but it got so much immedia press. Nobody
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: called with the kidnapping. They my god, Now that said
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: there was nothing. I could not you know, I had
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: that story. I walked out of there thinking I had
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: assaulted it. But there's no uh since then, no connective tissue,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: so I can't. You know, it is just one of
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: those stories. But it stuck with me because the only
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: thing that fits all of the it fits the equation
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: right right walk out of there. That's why, That's why
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: all that, that's why he goes fishing, because it just
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: gets a he's an idiot. He goes as far away
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: as you can. Think that's gonna help. You know, who
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: knows it is? There's an element of mysteries here, believe
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: it or not. I think people that are only they
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: only see a little bit of it. They don't think
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: there's any mystery because of course he did it, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: they don't care. They don't care how but if you
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: do it is Ah, it's a head scratcher, it really is.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: You've said, and I agree that Amber Fry was basically
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the hero of the case.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And why do you think that she changed everything?
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Oh? Without her, they're in big trouble. That the trial
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: shifted the day that Gloria all read Amber Fry took
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: that escalator up and she walked into the court room.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: It was like, and she just told this story about
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: meeting him. The recordings that you referenced are from like
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the Twilight Zone. This guy's sitting at a visual for
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: his missing pregnant wife, claiming that he's dancing in the
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: streets of Paris celebrating New Year's and throwing out these
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: odds like they're playing American pop songs. Can you hear me, Amber?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean like holding their candles and he's
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: over there that killed him. That everyone on that jury
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: was listening and watching Amber and then they just sneak
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: a peek over it. That's rat bastard Peterson, and you
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: knew he was done.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is that's like every.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Woman's worst nightmare, you know, seeing her like that, you
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: find out that this your your dream guy is leading
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a double life and all those things.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Like I felt for her so deeply because.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: You could tell that she's still really kind of loved him,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and it's like her bubble was bursting very publicly.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, she was shocked, heartbroken. And the fact that
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: she called and when you talk to the investigators Al
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Brokini and John Buehler, they're like they got their call,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: They're like, oh shit, there's gotten their cars went to Fresno,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and she completely went with them and recorded those conversations
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and it was a game changer.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And the fact that it's the Christmas she's in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: red dress, like it all just is so.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: It's awful.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It's awful. Yeah, it's pretty despicable. That's where we're leaving
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it for today, But trust us, Ted Rowlands has a
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: lot more to say. Next time. Ted takes us deeper
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: inside the Scott Peterson case, the media frenzy, and the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: moments that still don't sit right with him all these
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: years later.