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Episode 80: Time for an Andor Season Finale Freak Out! (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's most things Kenobi.
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  This is the podcast you're looking for.
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  Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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  most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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  and all things. Star Wars.
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  I'm your host Leanne and I'm your host Lauren.
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  And this week, we are diving into the last of and or because,
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  wow, the last few episodes were truly amazing and the finale was
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  a beautiful piece of artwork. Just like the entire show, some
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  of the best writing that I've experienced in any show.
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  Yeah, Yeah, ever it's beautiful. It's like a work of art.
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  Like you said, it's fine. And then they stuck The Landing.
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  Yes. Which were with Eddie that
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  you're always so nervous that all the way up to the last
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  minute. And even with this one
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  post-credits, yes, it was a little seed.
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  Oh God just you just like, are they gonna do it?
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  They're gonna do it. So.
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  Okay, so round of applause. Tony Gilroy, yes, Thank you.
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  Tony Gilroy Diego, Luna everyone magnificent performance,
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  beautiful writing. Absolutely spectacular acting on
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  everyone's fucking point down to the like smallest roll, everyone
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  was completely believable. Yes.
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  And the finale, which, I mean, we'll stick to talking mostly
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  about the finale today, but we have to cover, you know, some
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  things about the episodes, leading up to the finale because
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  holy cow. Yeah, we have I think the Last
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  episode we covered was episode 7.
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  So we have a lot between man. We never did an episode about
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  one way out. I'm still not over it.
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  I know it haunts me that episode haunts me still.
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  Okay. Alright Round of Applause, Andy
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  Serkis, he's a fucking genius. We all know this, right.
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  Everything he's ever done from voice acting to fucking Golem to
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  to this role. Is Planet of the Apes, right?
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  He's such a well-rounded actor and he's believable, and he's
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  emotional. And you get invested and this is
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  my thing, I love Tom Hanks, right?
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  And Tom Hanks is in a lot of movies, but I forget when I'm
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  watching him, that it's Tom Hanks and that's the sign of a
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  good actor or actress. Right?
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  And that's how I feel about Andy Serkis and I forgot I was
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  watching Andy Serkis in those episodes.
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  Episodes with him and the ending of the one way out was yes.
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  Just one dagger to my heart. Seriously, I the whole episode.
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  Oh my God, right? From beginning, all the way to
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  the end watching his transformation.
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  It was great. He becomes so panicked, even
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  though he's been the like Rock Solid.
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  Yo, one of the floor the whole time like get this crazed.
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  Look in his eyes when he's like. Come on guys.
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  You can Win this round like don't fuck up right?
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  And now he's just losing his shit that scene with him and
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  Cassie and at the very beginning.
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  Oh yeah. Oh good.
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  Where Cassie and saying like power doesn't panic, right?
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  I'd rather die fighting them and giving them what they want.
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  And then keto says that later. That that was beautiful.
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  I love that part. The most the speech right me
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  too. Because at first he's just, I
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  don't know. Know what was holding him back?
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  Maybe because what you said, it seems like he knew he wasn't
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  going to be able to get out from the beginning.
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  I really truly believe when you are stuck in a position like
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  that, all you have is your mind because you don't have a choice
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  you don't have anything right? And so you stick to the one
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  thing that sustains you and for him it was his countdown of how
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  many shifts he had left and if he just stayed the straight and
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  narrow maybe someday, you know that little glimmer of hope but
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  he knew if he tried to break out, he wasn't I want anywhere.
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  Yeah, but he did it for the people, everyone else and that's
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  what made him a hero. The sacrifice is incredible and
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  he says, his name, over the speaker, so they know who he is.
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  I just I'm so worried about. I think the whole world has not
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  stopped thinking about key. I I in my brain he got out
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  somehow somehow grabbed something in and Float Tony,
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  Gilroy He said he said he didn't die.
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  So good. Okay but that could not they
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  could probably not good. Just could be snoke, he could
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  be, don't say spoiler alert it's possible.
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  I think batida said she checked the timeline and it could work.
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  He could have been taken by the emperor and headaches.
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  Pyramids done or something voice of snoke?
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  Yeah, I know, that's so, okay. All right, was it?
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  Yeah, the okay. Fuck Palpatine anyway.
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  Andy Serkis did say, around this time, he said something online
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  about how he would love to know more about snoke's backstory.
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  And then this episode, no mouse, don't say it is like are you
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  saying that because this is sucked.
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  Next, I won't accept this. I can't accept it.
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  I won't my heart. Can't take it.
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  No, no. In my mind.
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  He took one of the bad guys killed him.
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  Threw him over jumped and then use the body as a floating
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  device. I like it.
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  Okay, bodies float. So I'm assuming.
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  Yeah, without a raft, I loved his speech because at first he
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  was kind of timid and shy and then he looks at Cassian and
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  starts using Cassie ins were And you see this look and kassian
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  size, like, what's happening? The dynamic is changing here.
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  Cassie and is a leader whether he wants to be or not, he's a
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  leader. Yeah and I love seeing him by
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  the very end of the show. He comes into this beautiful
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  full circle where you see he looks more like a sea and from
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  Rogue one and the way he talks and says to the group like I
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  will find you, it's not about surviving anymore.
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  It's about having a code that it lives by herself.
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  Some sort of like keeping his word actually means something
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  now, you know. Yeah.
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  Really rewarding to see after Marv.
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  Has stunning speech. Okay.
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  How cool is it to have like a post-mortem speech?
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  Why don't we do that? That who would be so moving?
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  I feel like that would be really weirdly poetic.
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  Yeah, that it's your final word. Why wouldn't you record it and
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  save it, you know? I mean, Tony Stark did it in The
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  Avengers. So last will and testament,
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  right? So I guess mine would say Star
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  Wars is pain, that's all it needs to.
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  That's all the news to say. But you know what, they Disney
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  robbed us of what Marvel was supposed to say.
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  Right? I do.
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  Yes, I know which maybe someday we'll get out take of about.
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  Yeah. I do love the fact that she was
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  supposed to say, fuck the Empire, but I think we all know
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  that. That's exactly what she meant
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  anyway and just just knowing that that was supposed to be
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  her. Final word is good enough.
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  So Chris, she's the hbic head bitch in charge of farex and
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  everyone. Yeah, I love seeing how much the
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  community loved her. Oh the communal.
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  What what they built on farex with Community itself with the
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  music and the procession and the uniforms.
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  And what did they chant sky and stone?
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  Sky and stone. I think that's beautiful.
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  Yes, and Rebecca pointed out. One of our patrons pointed out
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  that Lutheran's Khyber. They gave to Cassie and was it
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  Sky Stone. Well, holy shit.
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  It's like a sky Khyber. So I, I was like, that's a
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  really interesting. Testing tie-in.
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  I wonder you know. Nothing is no an accident of the
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  show. Not at all.
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  That's beautiful. Actually, I loved I loved the
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  whole vibe of farex honestly. Well, now that I know what they
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  do with the ashes, it's fucking fantastic, they pour it into the
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  bricks that continue to hold up the foundation of the place
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  where they lived. That is beautiful.
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  Yeah. And your name is on it so you
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  can find that Person on the wall and like like when Cassie and oh
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  my God, that was awful. Wasn't it?
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  It's so painful. So painful and one of my
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  favorite scenes, honestly, I love the dynamic between Cassie
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  and and Clem and Marvin. Hmm, because they're not a
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  perfect family unit, you know, there's tension, obviously they
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  have fights and disagreements. But there's real deep love there
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  and it's really fucking refreshing to see that Dynamic
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  and A family because so many times in TV shows and movies the
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  tension in the story comes from tension in the family or like,
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  right kids fighting with their parents.
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  It's like not everyone loves their parents but sometimes
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  people still love their parents when they're grown-ups like
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  yeah. This is or at least respect
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  them. Like it was very clear Cassie
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  and respected. Both of them.
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  Yes. And that they taught him really
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  important life lessons. Yes.
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  And he He loved them. It was clear.
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  He did the best he could, they did the best they could.
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  I think it's beautiful and Clem's quote.
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  I'm going to try and read some of these quotes from the finale
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  because I think they were all very beautiful and they this is
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  what really got me were some of the main quotes of the episode
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  Clem as Cassie and is having his little flashback memory.
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  Clem says people don't look down to where they should they don't
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  look down. They don't look past the The
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  rust, not us though. A eyes open possibilities
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  everywhere and I love that as a symbol.
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  You know, due to I did you. And it made me think for a
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  second, that maybe that's why he saw something in Gin.
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  Yes. In like, didn't see in herself
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  at first. Yeah.
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  And they kind of talked about that a little bit more in the
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  book because they're inside, the characters had more but that he
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  sees like a need in Jin's eyes. And can't help himself, but to
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  help her, that was such a beautiful moment with Clem
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  totally. And it's, I loved the symbolism
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  of it because the Rebellion wasn't as polished and pretty
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  inexpensive as the empire was, right?
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  So, they were always looked down upon like Scrappers, and they
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  were just a hoodlums or something.
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  I Scrappy Bunch put together thrown together, you know?
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  And they you think about it in Rebels, you think about it in
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  Rogue one and of Of course, in the original trilogy, they're
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  literally scrapping things together to pull this Rebellion
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  off, and that's looking past the rust, to the beautifulness
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  that's in the rebellion and past the shiny Parts, which is the
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  Empire. They have all the opulence, but
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  none of the heart. And so the ability to see past
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  the Russ, I love that phrase because they were just talking
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  about whatever they were cleaning those parts.
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  You know, you can make something beautiful out of something that
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  appears broken or You know past his prime.
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  I just loved it. It was so simple.
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  It's the writing in the show I'm telling you my God I can't shake
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  my head hard enough. You're saying right now because
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  it's so you're so right, you know, they're all about the
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  underestimated. The underdog.
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  Yeah, yeah. Look at my god, when fucking
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  Deidre went down, it was her acting was fantastic too, and
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  she's clawing. So, I felt that she's clawing
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  through the people in this, they're stampeding and Stepping
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  all over and kicking her and I thought she was a goner for
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  sure. It's you.
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  As like, wow, she got hit with a rock.
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  Oh, wow, she got kicked in the face.
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  Yeah, like that's crazy. That's brutal.
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  And I wouldn't have been sad if I mean her acting and her
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  character is so interesting and vital at this point that I would
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  have missed her if they de killed her off.
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  But of course but there was something weirdly satisfying
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  yeah that after what she did to Bix and how wrong she is just in
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  every way. I love that because we don't get
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  to see that with female characters very often, and
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  ambitious, yeah, woman like this, and they did it on
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  purpose. I mean, they've even said they
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  made you root for her in the first few episodes.
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  And then you see this ruthless isn't her and you're like, oh,
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  she is a scary woman. All right.
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  Yeah, she's don't get on her bad side.
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  Well, Cyril. Really is trying not to get on.
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  What is why you talk about zero? I have a question.
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  Why are you so Oh, God damn creepy.
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  Why why? Okay, I, I'm really
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  uncomfortable with the like, romantic.
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  I don't like it either. Yeah, I don't like it either.
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  No, it does not ring true to her character whatsoever to me.
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  Nope, and I'm actually really irritated that they would even
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  bring romance in. Can we just have one fucking
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  character female character that doesn't have to be swept off her
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  feet with a hole. Like, hold on, I am not sold
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  yet. This is going to turn into a
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  romance. I think he's already Cyril.
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  Is already Head Over Heels, right?
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  I think she's just learning how to respect somebody.
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  I know you might just be at that level.
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  They filmed it though. Like, they were romantic.
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  Like the cinematography was intimacy.
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  It really style true. So that doesn't necessarily have
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  to be romantic intimacy, but still like it made me extremely
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  uncomfortable. I hope that was the point.
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  Aye, aye. It was, I don't like any of it.
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  Now, I'm not saying I don't like the actor and the actress.
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  I'm saying the character. Yes, sir, they are both playing
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  themselves, very well, their characters, I should say, the
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  yes, I don't I can't think of Cyril's actual the actor's name
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  off the top of my head but he does a fantastic job.
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  Okay. I don't think he's a fucking
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  creep in real life. No, but he doesn't fetch a good
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  actor. Yeah.
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  That we believe it. Like when he shows up at the at
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  the Imperial that is B and she's look at the fuck.
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  What the fuck are you doing here?
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  And I'm like, exactly Get out of here Cyril.
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  You could like, and she's like are you stalking me?
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  Yeah. What the fuck's?
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  Such a badass, she's so scary to but the fact that she's scary
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  like that and it doesn't put him off.
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  No, just doubles down on how much you like, sir.
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  Look at his mother, he's been dealing with strong women, his
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  whole life, maybe it's a thing for him.
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  I love that woman. She's a Spitfire, isn't she?
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  Oh my, God when he gets the phone call in the middle of the
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  night and her response, is the mystery of your former triumphs
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  has been vanquished, love that like I can sleep peacefully now.
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  It's like you are just such a ruthless bitch and I roast
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  'less. It's so heartless.
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  God, she's my hero. Yeah, she's she's she's small
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  but very Mighty yes, there was that moment where He told her,
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  she had, he had gotten a promotion and her personality
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  switched and she was like, I'm so proud, there's a boba, he
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  picks a piece of cereal up off the kitchen, table it stares at
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  it and throws it into his bowl and my immediate subconscious
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  response or maybe it was conscious, I don't know.
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  Was he's going to murder her? Oh, I mean maybe shit.
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  I was like cinematically. That looks like he's gonna kill
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  her. He's about to snap.
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  If Deidre turns him down and his mother keeps on him, he's going
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  to murder a lot of people methinks.
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  Yes, yes, I think you're right. He doesn't handle rejection.
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  Well, as we've seen, he's gonna stamp, there's so much to cover.
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  There's so many like, let's go back to one way out, okay, just
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  one more time because the guy, the character who ends up with
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  Cassie and at the end he ends up on Ron's care if he's part of
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  the Is Mel she so he makes it yes, yes.
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  He makes it except he does Arif right?
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  But his his Escape was not in vain.
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  He went on to go do greater things.
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  I loved that was it the ending of that one or the ending of the
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  next one? I guess it's the ending of The
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  Next Episode, the daughter of farex where they've escaped and
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  they go to what is it? Yeah, mostly ammos.
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  Whatever that Island my Ami's. Yes, Star Wars Miami.
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  Yes. And kassian calls home and finds
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  that about Marva, and he and Mel's you are standing on the
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  beach and they're both so emotional, but for different
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  reasons that scene is so good. And so it's just like so fucking
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  devastating these episodes to re-watch them.
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  Now that I like knew what was coming.
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  And I wasn't so nervous because I was really nervous watching
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  all of these episodes. Yeah.
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  Stood know who we were gonna see suffer.
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  I mean, the buildup in the finale, alone with the music and
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  the processions, and we know that everyone's looking for
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  Cassie. And, and, and, and, and everyone
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  is there. Every character is there.
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  We've got Val, we've got everyone when Brasso gives
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  kassian Marv has worked like personal message, my God.
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  I mean, it makes you so proud of Cassie and to know that he'd
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  really goes on to do exactly what she says.
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  A quote, tell him, he knows everything.
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  He needs to know and feels everything he needs to feel,
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  which I think she's referring to that love.
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  Comment that she made. Well, that's just love, you
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  know, which I, I loved that moment between them as well.
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  Yes, the quote then goes on to say and when the day comes and
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  those to pull together, he will be an Unstoppable Force for good
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  and that's obviously what ends up happening with him and Jan
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  and what they do and it's beautiful foreshadowing that she
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  didn't get to see. She didn't get to see the result
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  of it, but she knew Anyway. And I think that was it was
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  perfect that Brasso was the one to give the message because he's
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  a good guy. Yeah, he hit myself in the face
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  with a brick with Marvis ashes in it, I don't have any other
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  hero but him there is nobody better than him when he hit
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  someone with her brick. I fucking love that so much take
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  that you fascist. Yeah, right Gina and then go
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  ahead. That is just so much to cover.
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  I know there really is there so much it like the the way he and
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  kiss and hug each other. Oh, I know.
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  Oh it, you put it on our Instagram.
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  It's the way he hugs this Djinn Djinn.
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  Yeah, yeah, there's good. And it's like, he's even holding
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  onto kassian in the exact same spot like clutching his hand
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  into the back of his shirt. Yes.
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  And that's not, that's not an accident either.
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  No, it's so beautiful and to see friends like two male friends,
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  Is hugging like, yeah, it was so beautiful to me, because a lot
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  of the guys that I know feel that way about their friends, it
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  especially if they've experienced loss, you know.
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  Yes, there isn't that, like, toxic mix masculinity of like,
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  guys don't feel, you know, guys don't hug, you don't show,
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  emotion. It's an amount of that like in
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  real life, like not in movies with the men that I know they
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  show, emotion, and affection, and comfort to each other,
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  especially, when their mother has died, you know, it was such
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  A beautiful moment. And then when he said that line,
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  the last line that what did she say exactly like I love him more
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  than anything he could do wrong. Yes.
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  Like that correct? Yes.
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  The brought tears to my eyes is so beautiful.
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  That's that's a mother's love right there.
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  Yes to see that he was an adopted son loved just as much.
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  Absolutely. I think that was really
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  beautiful. It was the funeral when be too
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  emo. Me too.
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  I was so afraid for that Droid me too.
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  I was going to turn it off if they did something to him.
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  Luckily he made it kick, it kick it kassian, I love him so much,
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  it's so sad. I know pasta and just hug him, I
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  know, but I'm glad that he delivered Marv.
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  Has you know hologram? Yes, yes, okay, so the guy that
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  runs out from the Empire that like throws his jacket over him,
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  a kick, some whatever happens that stops.
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  Yeah, that's actually rhaegar Targaryen from Game of Thrones.
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  Did anyone catch it? Oh, I didn't do.
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  Okay. I just said, what the fuck are
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  you doing here? Rhaegar the fuck rhaegar, was
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  short hair anyway and Thrones people if you give you saw it.
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  Yep, that happened. So he's a good guy.
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  Not a bad guy. I just left it.
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  Like the minute he kicks be to over.
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  Oh yeah, it's over. But everyone Like kill the
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  Empire. Yeah, they must die.
• 22:32
  Did you happen to notice that the colors of the band and the
• 22:38
  daughters of farex are essentially with the colors of
• 22:41
  the Rebellion, like the gold and maroon, and hmm.
• 22:45
  Like, you know, how they wear, like the mustard colored onesies
• 22:50
  and then have the red Rebel symbol.
• 22:53
  Yeah. I don't think that was an
• 22:55
  accident either and also the squadron's Are the same colors
• 23:00
  green read&write gold. They were all represented in the
• 23:04
  Square during the funeral. Yes I loved that.
• 23:08
  They had a funeral dirge in A procession like yes New Orleans.
• 23:13
  Yes, it was. And I think you pointed out to
• 23:16
  you that that's the and or theme it is the end or feeling like or
• 23:20
  Cassius theme or whatever you want to call it.
• 23:22
  But that right what they're playing.
• 23:24
  I thought that was so great. I love that because and I just
• 23:27
  have to say that having grown up in Musical family, hearing the
• 23:32
  bands like arm up, wasn't a so nostalgic for me and yeah buddy.
• 23:37
  Like it cracks me up. But I also love it because it's
• 23:39
  everybody's just kind of like, in their own Zone.
• 23:42
  Yeah. Like it coming up here on
• 23:43
  experiment. Yes, exactly.
• 23:46
  And I was also somebody in the Empire says offhand.
• 23:50
  Like, what are they doing? Where's that music coming from?
• 23:51
  It's coming from everywhere. Like, what are they doing?
• 23:53
  And it's like, yeah, they're warming up, they're getting
• 23:54
  themselves ready. Like, that's what happens when
• 23:57
  when like a symphony warms up. And yes, this is what a
• 24:00
  reckoning sounds like. Yes, exactly.
• 24:02
  It was very akin to the metal clanging that they were getting.
• 24:07
  Yeah, I kept thinking what a fucking Community.
• 24:10
  This is right. Like, who lives in a town like
• 24:14
  this where everyone I don't, I sure don't either, it's amazing.
• 24:19
  It's actually really kind of beautiful to see and I just have
• 24:23
  to say the bell ringer kick a stormtrooper out of the tower
• 24:28
  where apps Butley listen, I knew that, that, man, had it from
• 24:33
  like, the first episode we saw him, but I didn't realize he
• 24:35
  took his job. That seriously, that man is
• 24:37
  everything I love him. So good.
• 24:40
  I was like yes, nothing is gonna stop that man, from doing that
• 24:43
  job. Nothing.
• 24:45
  And then the Cutaway to see the body just like, yeah.
• 24:47
  Right. I had very gratifying, we're
• 24:53
  good. We should do.
• 24:55
  We have to do like an episode where we just look at Rogue.
• 24:59
  Ugh, one parallels, because they're just so many, like, even
• 25:02
  the way Cassie and is supporting Bix on the way out.
• 25:05
  All right. Gin is supporting him at the end
• 25:08
  of Rogue one. Then Marva is a hologram and
• 25:12
  Galen are so is a hollow. Yes it's so cool.
• 25:16
  It's so much. It was the wrap up that I was
• 25:19
  hoping for. But yeah we did get to hear part
• 25:23
  of the manifesto. Did you remember that part where
• 25:25
  he's playing it? It's at a very important part,
• 25:29
  the It goes, if I may read it because I think it's important.
• 25:32
  Yes, please. It's so symbolic of today
• 25:38
  yesterday and all of Star Wars fantasy, and real life.
• 25:42
  It says Karis nemec anemic would however you pronounce it.
• 25:47
  He says, quote, the Imperial need for control is so desperate
• 25:53
  because it is so unnatural tyranny, requires constant
• 25:57
  effort. It breaks it leaks, X Authority
• 26:00
  is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
• 26:04
  The day will come, when all these skirmishes and battles
• 26:06
  these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the
• 26:09
  Empire's Authority, and then there will be one too many one
• 26:13
  single thing will break The Siege.
• 26:15
  Remember this try I love that. Try the thing that struck me was
• 26:24
  re-watching. It is kassian.
• 26:26
  Is the thing that breaks The Siege.
• 26:28
  Yeah, they show him kind of their framing him from behind
• 26:32
  and he's like kind of in a circle of light and then as they
• 26:35
  say that they cut to his face. Hmm.
• 26:38
  And it really hit home to me, all of a sudden that he's one of
• 26:41
  the most important characters in Star Wars.
• 26:44
  Yeah, because he was a tell Donny and he's the reason L
• 26:48
  Donnie was successful. Correct was the statement that
• 26:52
  the Rebellion is taking place that like Insurrection against
• 26:55
  the empire is now an organized thing.
• 26:59
  And then he's also the reason the Death Star plans were
• 27:03
  successful, like he got them all the way to the Finish Line.
• 27:07
  Again, sacrificing his own body along the way.
• 27:11
  Yeah. If they had never accomplished
• 27:13
  either of those two things, the Rebellion would never be what it
• 27:16
  became and the rest of all the rest of Star Wars.
• 27:19
  So I think it's kind of cool that this quiet kind of
• 27:24
  understated character, right? Who's a little bit taken for
• 27:28
  granted. In Rogue.
• 27:29
  One is just being like a character in Rogue one.
• 27:31
  Yeah, it's like he's actually the reason the Rebellion is
• 27:34
  successful. The Rebellion exist because of
• 27:37
  him, well, it all hinges on the word try, because him and Jin
• 27:41
  had to try. They had to try.
• 27:44
  Yeah, they had to try because otherwise, if they didn't try,
• 27:46
  they knew it was there. They were done for.
• 27:50
  It was over before it even began.
• 27:51
  And so I love that that Manifesto quote, that part
• 27:56
  highlighting Cassie and ended on the word try because it's a
• 27:59
  reminder to all of us. You know, you have to at least
• 28:02
  try, you know. Yeah.
• 28:03
  Even if you're unlikely to succeed, if you do nothing then
• 28:07
  yeah of course your you'll never make a difference right after
• 28:11
  seeing that seeing I'm more convinced.
• 28:13
  Now, that that actually is the manifesto on his jacket.
• 28:16
  It has to be. Yeah, I know people were saying,
• 28:18
  thatthat seems, Realistic because if you ever got captured
• 28:21
  well, sure. But it's a constant reminder to
• 28:23
  him of what he has to do. Yeah.
• 28:26
  And it all goes back to everything in this season one.
• 28:29
  I'll Donnie exactly luthan. Every everybody that was
• 28:33
  sacrificed his mother, you know, everything.
• 28:35
  They all tried. Yeah.
• 28:38
  And it's like the foundation that started giving him strength
• 28:40
  again to to take agency in his life, which he's never really
• 28:44
  had until these last few episodes.
• 28:47
  Yeah, I think it's more Quickly that even if the manifesto is
• 28:51
  not inside the box, it's a representative of it because
• 28:55
  it's tied the same way as the manifesto and everything.
• 28:58
  I'll be interested to see how they if they even discuss it in
• 29:01
  season 2. But I loved that we got to even
• 29:03
  hear part of the manifesto because it was so beautifully
• 29:05
  written again, like thanks for reading the quote because it's I
• 29:09
  thought that was absolutely remarkable.
• 29:11
  Well you know his character with doing the manifesto in the way
• 29:15
  that he had like philosophies and stuff is a little bit like
• 29:18
  cheer it, right? They're like the soul behind
• 29:21
  what's going on physically. You know, they have this
• 29:24
  presence, that's more Soulful more.
• 29:28
  I don't want to say religious, but almost like a spiritual
• 29:32
  belief. Yeah.
• 29:34
  And they put it so eloquently, and I think, you know, it takes
• 29:38
  a bunch in every group. There's always the one, right?
• 29:41
  That's like the soul. Mmm, you know, the the spirit.
• 29:45
  But we haven't even talked about mon mothma yet.
• 29:49
  God, her stuff is so good. She is a plotting deceiving,
• 29:56
  smart woman and she's turning. People have been saying that
• 30:00
  she's taking the moral path and she's proving that she is not
• 30:04
  afraid to be ruthless. She's gonna let her daughter
• 30:08
  follow that old-fashioned path of marriage to protect her own
• 30:12
  finances. As she, I'm sorry, she fucking
• 30:15
  threw her own husband. Under the bus, 100%.
• 30:18
  She knew what she knew. Knew that man was listening.
• 30:20
  She knows she knows all this shit, right?
• 30:22
  And dudes, I think it's hilarious.
• 30:24
  That the I just think it's hilarious.
• 30:26
  That the husband didn't think anything of it.
• 30:28
  That's how stupid he is. He thought that no one was
• 30:32
  listening. Are you that oblivious sir?
• 30:35
  Anyway, I'm glad she's throwing him under the bus.
• 30:37
  She is setting up this whole thing perfectly.
• 30:39
  These are the other spokes of the wheel that have to turn in
• 30:42
  order to make this Rebellion a success.
• 30:44
  And it's no wonder that she's going to rise to the top because
• 30:48
  she's about to do whatever is necessary.
• 30:49
  Necessary so Lutheran's doing what he's got to do.
• 30:52
  She's doing what she's got to do, neither of them.
• 30:56
  Neither of them give a fuck. How it's gonna take, what they
• 31:00
  got to do to get it done, right? It's tearing them both up a bit.
• 31:05
  I think we see that. It's like a sacrifice that needs
• 31:08
  to be made for the greater good and will be taken advantage of
• 31:12
  by people who never had to even see what they sacrificed.
• 31:16
  But you see how it really weighs heavily on them?
• 31:19
  And that speaking of that, the whole speech Lutheran's speech
• 31:24
  when he's talking to me or It's so good.
• 31:27
  He's Jesus Christ. Is it good?
• 31:30
  Did I call it or not? About all ginger-haired guy.
• 31:33
  You did 100%. And I said it to you privately,
• 31:36
  but I'll say it here publicly. You fucking called that from
• 31:39
  like day, one that he was somebody and you were right?
• 31:43
  There's like it's so I felt so validated when I found out.
• 31:47
  He was actually, it's, as you should do it, I knew it.
• 31:52
  Anyway, that's speech was one of the most brilliant pieces of
• 31:56
  Writing and acting. Well, I have I have to read it.
• 32:01
  Please, I mean and to see it written on the page, right?
• 32:05
  And then for the actor to take that and breathe life into its
• 32:08
  own Skarsgard, honestly everyone in this show needs a fucking
• 32:12
  award. Please absolutely please please
• 32:15
  so good. All right.
• 32:16
  Here's the entire speech. Give me time to read this
• 32:20
  because it's a good one. I don't think anyone's gonna
• 32:23
  complain The question was, what do you sacrifice and Lutheran
• 32:27
  response with some of the best shit I've ever heard?
• 32:30
  And it goes like this. Calm kindness.
• 32:35
  Kinship love, I've given up all chance at inner peace.
• 32:39
  I've made my mind a sunless place.
• 32:41
  I share my dreams with ghosts. I wake up every day to an
• 32:44
  equation, I wrote 15 years ago from which there's only one
• 32:48
  conclusion. I'm damned for what I do my
• 32:51
  anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield.
• 32:54
  My eagerness to fight. They've set me on a path from
• 32:57
  which There Is No Escape. I yearn to be a savior against
• 33:01
  Injustice without contemplating the cost.
• 33:03
  And by the time I looked down, there was no longer any ground
• 33:06
  beneath my feet, what is My Sacrifice?
• 33:09
  I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them.
• 33:13
  I burned my decency for someone else's future.
• 33:16
  I burned my life to make a sunrise that I know, I'll never
• 33:18
  see. And the ego that started.
• 33:21
  This fight will never have a mirror or an ants or the light
• 33:24
  of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice
• 33:27
  everything? Oh my God.
• 33:32
  I like feel like tears welling up in my eyes.
• 33:34
  Any other? I love the line.
• 33:36
  I burned. My decency.
• 33:38
  Yeah and and we C. Mon mothma doing something
• 33:41
  similar. Yeah.
• 33:43
  And if that's what it takes that if that's what it takes they're
• 33:46
  willing to do it and I got chills reading that and I can't
• 33:49
  do it a Skarsgard Justice here obviously but his delivery will
• 33:54
  go. That quote will live on.
• 33:56
  It's up there with some of the the best quotes and Star Wars.
• 33:59
  URS. Absolutely, I don't know there's
• 34:00
  one person who didn't say how moved they were by that quote
• 34:04
  that that yes speech on I Rubin heard of people like reading it
• 34:09
  out loud to family members and stuff shit.
• 34:11
  Yeah, this is so incredible. I have to share with somebody,
• 34:14
  you know, it's really amazing. And I've seen art with pieces of
• 34:20
  that speech in the art passed around online.
• 34:23
  It's beautiful. I mean, it's really, it's really
• 34:26
  inspiring and it's not. It's not without grit.
• 34:30
  It's not without like something bad in it and he knows it, but
• 34:35
  he's accepted it. It's actually, it's a little bit
• 34:39
  hopeless for him. Yeah, it's like he's accepted
• 34:44
  that. Yeah, but he's accepted and I
• 34:46
  think that's just fucking amazing his his performance.
• 34:51
  I think was my favorite of all the characters and every single
• 34:56
  one of them was fantastic. I mean, down to the minut facial
• 35:00
  movements of some of the even smaller characters like you
• 35:03
  said, but he above all played two different characters.
• 35:08
  With one similar spine will say he deserves An award they all
• 35:13
  do. They all do?
• 35:17
  Yeah, I just can't wrap my head around.
• 35:21
  How good this show was. I mean, this is one speech and
• 35:24
  this wasn't even the only speech in that episode that was from
• 35:29
  one way out which is the same episode where Keno gives his
• 35:32
  amazing speech. And there's an incredible about
• 35:36
  of dialogue between Mon mothma and Dev.
• 35:39
  Oh yeah Banker yeah it was incredible.
• 35:43
  I love that. He has that lion, a drop of
• 35:45
  discomfort maybe the Price of doing business.
• 35:49
  He's right understatement of a lifetime.
• 35:52
  Yeah, shit. There's just so many beautiful
• 35:56
  pieces of dialogue from this entire show.
• 35:58
  I know you and I have talked about maybe doing an episode of
• 36:00
  our favorite. Yes, it's because there's just
• 36:03
  so many good ones. This is some of the best writing
• 36:06
  I've ever seen anywhere period and it's a story.
• 36:10
  It's funny. I don't know if you've seen the
• 36:12
  scuttlebutt on line of some individuals will I say
• 36:17
  bad-mouthing this show for it being.
• 36:20
  How do I phrase it for being a little too pedestrian?
• 36:25
  In what way? People will know what I mean?
• 36:27
  When I say this but there's been a lot of talk about how bricks
• 36:31
  shouldn't be in Star Wars. Yes, I have heard about this and
• 36:36
  I think this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
• 36:39
  We'll leave it at that. This is a beautiful show.
• 36:41
  If it wasn't your cup of tea, that's fine too.
• 36:44
  That's why there are so many facets to Star Wars.
• 36:47
  Point is that brick and mortar are foundations?
• 36:52
  And yes, is a foundation of a movement.
• 36:56
  Thank you. Lord God, if we gotta spell it
• 36:59
  out, we will thank you, Lauren. I just, I saw that going around
• 37:04
  and that is the stupidest criticism I've ever heard.
• 37:08
  I don't know the context. I didn't see it.
• 37:10
  You don't need to do that context.
• 37:11
  It's no fun, I'm fine without checking out.
• 37:15
  The context of that, all I could say is, That there's no fucking
• 37:18
  rules about what? Textures exist in Star Wars.
• 37:23
  They could use whatever goddamn textures they want, look he's
• 37:27
  lived in trees and can't was. Okay, so listen, that's more
• 37:31
  than. Okay God damn it.
• 37:34
  Listen, I don't know if people are geologists or not, I'm not
• 37:37
  but I know a little bit about geology.
• 37:39
  If a planet has some kind of mineral you have to use that
• 37:42
  mineral to live on said Planet, that's just the way of things.
• 37:46
  I mean. Look at our planet shit or don't
• 37:51
  because we're just drawing it. But look at the Variety though
• 37:54
  and we're one planet. So you want to tell me and then
• 37:58
  entire galaxy that there's not one planet that can have stone
• 38:01
  and brick. Fuck off, okay.
• 38:04
  And you said this is the foundation, it's it's like drink
• 38:08
  out of my mug that says she has a bug rows here.
• 38:12
  She's got a god of love. It's love grows here.
• 38:16
  It's green like Like the Wookiees trees.
• 38:18
  What about the attack on the Wookiees?
• 38:24
  That's one of my favorite quotes is Star.
• 38:26
  Wars God, I hate that guy. It's such a buzzkill, isn't it?
• 38:33
  Fuck you that are Old Wagon. Master Mondeo is throwing water
• 38:39
  on the Fire. Oh my God I hate him so much.
• 38:44
  Okay, real quick at least I want to talk about the last seen with
• 38:48
  please Jesse. And and yes in and this.
• 38:49
  Yes, yes. Well that's how we'll end this
• 38:51
  episode. I knew Cassian was going to be
• 38:54
  there because he knew where the ship was and he had already put
• 38:57
  it together after seeing luthan in the Town Square.
• 38:59
  He knew why he was there. And so the fact that he went
• 39:02
  there and was waiting for him and he said, kill me or take me
• 39:06
  in and he has tears in his eyes. Yeah.
• 39:11
  That can we just say finally that Diego?
• 39:16
  Luna is yeah, fucking excellent. Like yes, the way he shows
• 39:21
  emotion in this, you can tell he's emotional every time but he
• 39:25
  never gets melodramatic. No.
• 39:28
  You're right. You're right.
• 39:30
  Yeah. It's very realistic.
• 39:32
  It is it's a hardened kind of just kill me.
• 39:35
  I'm fine with it. I just lost everything.
• 39:38
  Yeah. I mean, have you ever had a pain
• 39:40
  that was so painful? Awful that if you actually
• 39:42
  started to like show the emotion, you would lose control.
• 39:46
  Yes. It's like you you actually hold
• 39:48
  onto it really tightly. You feel the emotion, you even
• 39:52
  get teary-eyed but if you let it take over you lose control.
• 39:56
  So yeah, that is to me and you could see him take a breath
• 40:01
  after losing kind of smiles. Well, I loved Lutheran smile.
• 40:06
  Yes, it's what he wanted all along, but he wanted it to be
• 40:10
  genuine. Wanted castien to want it and he
• 40:13
  did, he got it. He got there, his come full
• 40:16
  circle and I wonder if I kind of wondered because he keep taking
• 40:21
  the keep saying that they've taken an oath and I was like, is
• 40:25
  that the oath? Did he just give it without
• 40:27
  knowing it, probably, I loved that scene, it was good it and I
• 40:34
  they don't overwrite the show, right?
• 40:36
  So there are these long monologues are people get these
• 40:38
  incredible speeches and then there are things were barely any
• 40:42
  dialogue is exchanged and they're still so deeply
• 40:44
  meaningful. Like even think about Cyril
• 40:47
  coming to back to barracks and he's sitting next to the
• 40:49
  sergeant and they swap hand. They swap hats.
• 40:51
  Yeah, that was simple simple and it's very effective.
• 40:55
  Yes, no words. We totally understand these
• 40:59
  weirdos. Yes, it's true.
• 41:03
  It was so great. I just, I don't know if I can
• 41:07
  survive waiting two years for the next season.
• 41:11
  Well, the problem is, is I'm going to forget, maybe not, but
• 41:14
  my memory is terrible - to you. I'll have to just re-watch it.
• 41:18
  I guess. Well, we should we watch it
• 41:20
  together because, oh, that'd be fun.
• 41:22
  Do an and or re-watch. Oh, me and you would pause every
• 41:25
  five minutes to be like, what does that mean?
• 41:27
  Well, with this hat. Oh, that's a symbol for
• 41:29
  something. But that's why we love each
• 41:30
  other, right? Well, and, you know, how we'd
• 41:33
  watch clone wars and just rewind it so much that we would glitch
• 41:36
  out the program where we did it in.
• 41:39
  He did glitch it out, but that was just Still look at Obi-Wan's
• 41:41
  hair and his eyes sometimes. So yeah.
• 41:44
  Well I would do the same thing with casseon it.
• 41:46
  This is true. No shame.
• 41:51
  Well, how about that? That last post credit scene then
• 41:56
  that one will hurt a little bit because now we know what they
• 42:00
  were making and now we know that Cassie and had a hand in it but
• 42:04
  we know he has a hand and taking it down to so yeah, it was very
• 42:09
  double-edged It's painful. It is right?
• 42:13
  It's so sad because he's so passionate in Rogue one about
• 42:18
  Galen or so making it. Yes, he's really angry about.
• 42:22
  I wants kind of like justice for that.
• 42:24
  It's like, oh well, you made it to sweetheart, but he doesn't
• 42:27
  know. And that's, that's the shittiest
• 42:29
  part. I know.
• 42:30
  And hopefully, he'll never know, because that would just be
• 42:32
  horrific. No, I just do God as they say,
• 42:36
  is Bartok the bat says and Anastasia.
• 42:40
  This can only End in tears. Yes, that's okay.
• 42:45
  That's why we're here crying over Star Wars.
• 42:48
  It's our profession. It's our profession.
• 42:56
  The question we have for you this week is how do you feel
• 43:00
  about and, or as a whole, did you feel that?
• 43:02
  It came full circle where you, pleased, we've discussed all the
• 43:06
  things that we loved about it and the finale itself we gave it
• 43:09
  10/10, right? Mmm.
• 43:11
  Absolutely. So what's your score for the
• 43:14
  series as a whole, if I would have heard the first two
• 43:17
  episodes, I would give it a 10 out of 10, but I'm going to have
• 43:20
  to give it a 9 out of 10 for the entire series because I'm pretty
• 43:23
  sure I still don't know if I heard anything in the first two
• 43:25
  episodes. So that score from 1 to 10.
• 43:29
  What's your what's your score for the entire series?
• 43:32
  Let us know 11. This one goes to 11.
• 43:36
  Yeah it's one I resent it. All right, join us back here.
• 43:42
  Next week. We're going back to our usual,
• 43:44
  fare. We're going to talk some Obi-Wan
• 43:46
  Kenobi. Yes, we are.
• 43:47
  And Darth Maul, we're going to talk about Obi-Wan and malls
• 43:51
  relationship. And I think we're going to do
• 43:53
  this as a two-parter because there's a lot to dig into and
• 43:57
  we're starting from the top and going through the entire
• 43:59
  fucked-up relationship between those two.
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  always and fuck the empire.