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The Kenny Report | 11 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. Welcome to another week on the
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Speaker 3: Kenny Report. As we commemorate Remembrance Day, I'll speak with
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Speaker 3: Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty about whether Donald Trump will make.
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Speaker 1: The world a safer place.
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Speaker 3: As the Democrat post mortem continues in the United States,
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Speaker 3: there are yet more lessons for Australia from what's gone
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Speaker 3: down in the American election. We'll look at the violent
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Speaker 3: anti semitism in Europe that's horrified the world.
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Speaker 1: Also, I'll share a special.
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Speaker 3: Report about an unusual new film more selfies than swimming,
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Speaker 3: but the real Icebergs seven days a week, fifty two
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Speaker 3: weeks a year. That Icebergs is a whole other story
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Speaker 3: done right. Can't wait to bring you that one. Also, Gematon,
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Speaker 3: Uni and Carolina also joined me to talk misinformation, Bill
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Speaker 3: and Elbow's polling numbers. Also, Sophie Orsworth on media, can
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Speaker 3: you believe the ABC ones even more of your money?
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: Before I get into the politics and other issues of
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Speaker 3: the day, let us remember Remembrance Day has been commemorated
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Speaker 3: right around the country today, marking one hundred and six
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Speaker 3: years since the gunfire and bloodshed came to an end
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Speaker 3: on the battlefields of the First World War, it's crucial
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Speaker 3: to remind ourselves of the history, the sacrifice and of
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Speaker 3: course what it protected. The Australian sacrifice was staggering. More
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Speaker 3: than four hundred thousand Australians volunteered from a nation of
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Speaker 3: only five million people back then. More than sixty thousand
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Speaker 3: were killed. Proportionate to our current population, that's like two
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Speaker 3: million boys and men volunteering for war and three hundred
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Speaker 3: thousand never returning. My grandfather was at the Somme. We
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Speaker 3: all have our family collection connections, and we also have
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Speaker 3: our chosen way to remember and today, another tragic but
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Speaker 3: gallant chapter was written into our military history with the
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Speaker 3: awarding posthumously of a Victoria Cross to Richard Leslie Norden,
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Speaker 3: who risked his life to save others in Vietnam.
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Speaker 1: He survived that.
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Speaker 3: War, but was tragically killed just a couple of years
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Speaker 3: later when he returned to Australia and served as a policeman.
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Speaker 3: We previously covered complaints about delays in announcing this honor.
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Speaker 4: Two years is a very long time. Private Nordon's bravery
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Speaker 4: was extraordinary his comrades have put together an application for
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Speaker 4: his award of a VC. You'd hope the decision would
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Speaker 4: be able to be made by now. Say, who knows
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Speaker 4: what's going on in the Minister's office, But I think
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Speaker 4: the sooner they get on with it, the better.
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Speaker 3: Well that did happen today the Victoria Cross was awarded
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Speaker 3: in Canberra.
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Speaker 5: Private Nordon showed a complete disregard for his own personal
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Speaker 5: safety and his courage and selfless acts resulted in the
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Speaker 5: enemy position being secured and likely saved the lives of
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Speaker 5: the other members of the platoon.
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Speaker 3: Yes, after the First World War, that war to end wars,
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Speaker 3: the world went to war again and again. More than
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Speaker 3: one hundred thousand Australian military personnel have now died in
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Speaker 3: active service, and today we do remember them. I've been
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Speaker 3: telling you for many months. The alban Easy Labor government
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Speaker 3: is in deep strife.
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Speaker 1: You know the story.
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Speaker 3: The broken promises on electricity prices, interest rates and the
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Speaker 3: cost of living, The weakness on the Middle East and
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism here at home, the shambles in border security
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Speaker 3: and immigration detention, the ongoing national energy self harm, a
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Speaker 3: government out of touch with mainstream concerns, and lacking a
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Speaker 3: clear agenda apart from scare ring kids about climate and
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Speaker 3: pretending they can save the planet.
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Speaker 1: They just don't have a plan.
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Speaker 3: Labors slipped behind a month ago in the polls on
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Speaker 3: the two party preferred vote, meaning the Prime Minister's boast
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Speaker 3: from earlier in the year no longer held true.
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Speaker 6: We haven't lost a news poll. Titsob been prime minister.
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Speaker 6: We haven't lost a news poll. Titsob been Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Well that's not been true for a month and the
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Speaker 3: latest News poll confirms the trend.
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Speaker 1: On two party terms.
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Speaker 3: The gap remains the same, that is, fifty one to
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Speaker 3: forty nine in favor of the Coalition, But a telling
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Speaker 3: shift is the two point rise in the coalition primary vote,
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Speaker 3: finally getting back up to forty percent, the bare minimum
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Speaker 3: for a possible coalition victory. And as for better, Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Peter Dutton continues to climb, trailing Alboy Boy only
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Speaker 3: four points now, which is a promising indicator for an
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Speaker 3: opposition leader. Last week I explained why the key takeouts
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Speaker 3: from the u US election we're also good news for
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Speaker 3: Dotzen and the coalition and ominous for labor, the cost
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Speaker 3: of living, immigration and border security and strong leadership.
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Speaker 1: They were key factors.
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Speaker 3: In the US and they all play against labor and
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Speaker 3: into Peter Dutton's hands here. So I want to show
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Speaker 3: you some reaction in the US because I reckon it
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Speaker 3: resonates into our political debate. Here, let's start with a
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Speaker 3: clip from election night. This is clear, calm and true.
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Speaker 3: Listen to conservative commentators Scott Jennings delivering some truth bombs.
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Speaker 7: I'm interpreting the results tonight as the revenge of just
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Speaker 7: the regular old, working class America, the anonymous American who
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Speaker 7: has been crushed, insulted, condescended to. They're not garbage, they're
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Speaker 7: not Nazis. They're just regular people who get up and
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Speaker 7: go to work every day and are trying to make
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Speaker 7: a better life for their kids. And they feel like
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Speaker 7: they have been told to just shut up when they
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Speaker 7: have complained about the things that are hurting them in
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Speaker 7: their own lives.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so obvious, isn't it undeniable? I love the
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Speaker 3: way Jennings told the CNN left these calmly and.
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Speaker 1: Politely to their faces.
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Speaker 3: And he went one better, telling the Simon Green left
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Speaker 3: media host that the part of the problem.
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Speaker 6: I also feel like this election.
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Speaker 7: As we sit here and pour over this tonight, is
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Speaker 7: something of an indictment of the political information complex.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we've been sitting around here.
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Speaker 7: For the last couple of weeks and the story that
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Speaker 7: was portrayed was not true. I mean, we were told
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Speaker 7: Puerto Rico was going to change the election. Liz Cheney,
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Speaker 7: Nikki Haley, voters, women lying to their husbands. Before that,
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Speaker 7: it was Tim Walls and the Camo hats. Night after
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Speaker 7: night after night. We were told all these things and
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Speaker 7: gimmicks were going to somehow push Harris over the line,
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Speaker 7: and we were just ignoring the fundamentals. Inflation, people feeling
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Speaker 7: like that they were barely able to tread water at best.
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Speaker 6: That was the fundamentals of the election.
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Speaker 1: Spot on high. Who could disagree with that.
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Speaker 3: It was the same story on the IBC here, of course,
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Speaker 3: the only real one. That is why the Democrats and
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Speaker 3: the media Americas actually didn't see this. They could never
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Speaker 3: see it. And yesterday Jennings expanded on his analysis.
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Speaker 7: I think the Democratic Party, in the eyes of a
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Speaker 7: lot of working class voters and the eyes of a
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Speaker 7: lot of men who overwhelmingly turned out for Trump in
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Speaker 7: this election, kind of you the Democratic Party as a
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Speaker 7: professional fainting society, you know. I mean, we're offended by everything.
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Speaker 7: We don't have our eye on the real ball here,
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Speaker 7: which is people being crushed in the economy, or we
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Speaker 7: don't have our eye on the border. We don't have
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Speaker 7: our eye on the world chaos. What we have our
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Speaker 7: eye on is running around scolding everyone and being offended
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Speaker 7: by everyone. I mean, there's no way to run a
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Speaker 7: political party and then be surprised when average, every day
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Speaker 7: working people turn out against you. But the reality is
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Speaker 7: you just have to ask yourself a couple of questions.
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Speaker 7: Who are we and who do we stand for? What
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Speaker 7: do we represent? What are our actual values? And I
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Speaker 7: think if they ask themselves those questions and answered them honestly,
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Speaker 7: they'd find out that the only people they really stand
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Speaker 7: for are very wealthy people who were not as crushed
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Speaker 7: by inflation, people who have college degrees, who live in
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Speaker 7: and around college campuses and in urban areas.
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Speaker 3: That's it sounds familiar, doesn't it. The Democrats are in
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Speaker 3: a world of pain in the United States right now,
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Speaker 3: and it's a similar story here. Hasn't labor abandoned working
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Speaker 3: families in the suburbs for the woke virtue signalers in
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Speaker 3: the inner city. Isn't labor more interested in emissions reductions
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Speaker 3: than electricity bill reductions. Isn't labor more interested in zero
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Speaker 3: than cutting inflation? Isn't labor more interested in high immigration
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Speaker 3: than high rates of home ownership.
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Speaker 1: Isn't labor more interested in.
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Speaker 3: Doing what the United Nations wants rather than what the
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Speaker 3: national interest demands? Isn't Anthony albaneze Week and Peter Dutton strong?
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Speaker 3: The contrast is clear, isn't it? The Coalition needs a
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Speaker 3: bit of courage, though they need to make sure they
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Speaker 3: don't wilt in the face of an onslaught from labor,
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Speaker 3: the Greens.
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Speaker 1: The Teals and the media.
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Speaker 3: To have any chance of ensuring this is a one
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Speaker 3: term labor government, the Coalition needs to stick to the economy,
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Speaker 3: double down on its strengths, and not bend to its critics.
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Speaker 3: Just on the United States and the transition to a
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Speaker 3: new Donald Trump Republican administration, you might have heard that
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Speaker 3: President Joe Biden has agreed to welcome Trump to the
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Speaker 3: White House on Wednesday for a meeting, and as you
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Speaker 3: can see from these pictures of Biden walking back to
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Speaker 3: his beach house in Delaware on the weekend. Looks like
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Speaker 3: he just might make it back to the White House
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Speaker 3: in time for that Wednesday meeting, having a bit of
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Speaker 3: trouble getting out of the bunker, isn't he now? Okay, okay,
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Speaker 3: that sounds like a cheap shot, but there is a
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Speaker 3: serious point here. The whole world knew that Biden was
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Speaker 3: not up to the job and not up to another term.
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Speaker 3: So how much harm did the Democrats do themselves over
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Speaker 3: the past couple of years pretending the opposite. You've got
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Speaker 3: to tell the truth. Voters aren't idiots. They don't take
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Speaker 3: too kindly to being lied to. So back here in
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Speaker 3: Australia with Labour telling people that renewable energy is cheaper,
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Speaker 3: that's a pretty insulting lie too, isn't it. That's return
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Speaker 3: to Remembrance Day and global security issues. I caught up
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Speaker 3: with Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty and asked him to
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Speaker 3: explain what Remembrance Day means to someone who's risked his
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Speaker 3: own life in war and seen Comrade's four.
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Speaker 8: It's good to be with you, Chris. Remembrance Day is
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Speaker 8: about remembering the sacrifice of all those men and women
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Speaker 8: more than one hundred thousand of them who've given their
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Speaker 8: lives serving our country. Today, though, we pause and reflect
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Speaker 8: on the First World War, whereas a young nation of
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Speaker 8: less than five million people, we had more than four
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Speaker 8: hundred thousand Australians enlist to go and fight in Europe
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Speaker 8: and the Middle East. We had more than sixty thousand killed.
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Speaker 8: We had more than one hundred and fifty six thousand
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Speaker 8: either wounded, gassed or taken prisoner, and Australia lost some
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Speaker 8: of its greatest talent. And that's why we have so
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Speaker 8: many small monuments and memorials and cenotaphs dotted across this
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Speaker 8: great country of ours, because grieving communities one hundred years.
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Speaker 2: Ago had to try and make sense of it all.
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Speaker 8: So today at eleven o'clock we pause to remember those
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Speaker 8: people and also those who followed in their footsteps subsequently,
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Speaker 8: from the Second World War right through to the Afghanistan War.
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Speaker 3: It's absolutely crucial that we honor that sacrifice for the
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Speaker 3: pure human sacrifice that it is, and to remember.
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Speaker 1: What people gave up.
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Speaker 3: But we also need to remind ourselves of what they
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Speaker 3: were fighting to protect.
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Speaker 1: We need to be ever vigilant.
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Speaker 8: That's right, Chris, they were fighting against military aggression. Every
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Speaker 8: country has a right to live freely, to uphold its sovereignty,
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Speaker 8: and of course World War One kicked off with Germany
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Speaker 8: attacking France and Belgium and Britain and its allies responded.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a long time ago, but the principle.
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Speaker 8: Still holds as it does today with Russia's a legal
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Speaker 8: invasion of Ukraine. That's why we're supporting Ukraine because we
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Speaker 8: believe that our country's territorial, our sovereignty, should be upheld,
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Speaker 8: and if we let that principle go, then we're basically
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Speaker 8: giving the world over to the law of the jungle.
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Speaker 8: And that's not a place any of us want to
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Speaker 8: live in. We want to live in a world that's
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Speaker 8: governed by law, and sometimes you need to take military
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Speaker 8: action to uphold those laws.
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Speaker 1: I'll come back to that in just a second.
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Speaker 3: But in terms of educating current generations and future generations
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Speaker 3: about the sacrifice in World War One, you've drawn my
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Speaker 3: attention to the documentary. They'll show they shall not grow old.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look at a clip from that.
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Speaker 9: I was sixteen years old and May and father alone Minigol.
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Speaker 4: I was just turned seventeen at the time I was sixteen.
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Speaker 6: I was fifteen years but they came.
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Speaker 4: To his fewll trading children and had to be needing
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Speaker 4: to solders.
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Speaker 10: Boys who becomes who in the pictures.
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Speaker 4: I gave every part of my used to do a.
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Speaker 3: Job, actual footage, real people from more than one hundred
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Speaker 3: years ago, that's been recolorized in that documentary. Tell us Andrew,
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Speaker 3: how you've been using that to educate the next generation.
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Speaker 8: Well, my son, Jonathan is nine years old and I
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Speaker 8: bought him a couple of books by British author Dominic Sandbrook,
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Speaker 8: who decided to write some history books for his own son.
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Speaker 8: And it's pitched between for kids eight to twelve cort
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Speaker 8: A Ventures in Time, and Jonathan's read the First World
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Speaker 8: War and the Second World War, but still it feels
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Speaker 8: a bit remote for him. And so I thought we'd
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Speaker 8: sit down and watch this great documentary where Peter Jackson
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Speaker 8: brings people to life.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's a reminder that.
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Speaker 8: Although the First World War the images that we see
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Speaker 8: generally are in black and white, these were real people
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Speaker 8: with real hopes and dreams, with real aspirations and they're
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Speaker 8: just like us. And so to think of Australia with
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Speaker 8: less than five million people, losing sixty thousand dead.
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Speaker 2: Was such a huge cost. It's a huge cost.
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Speaker 8: And it's a reminder to us that there is a
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Speaker 8: brutal cost of war, which is why the best way
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Speaker 8: to prevent war is to be strong, and that's what
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Speaker 8: the Coalition is focused on. We want to have a
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Speaker 8: strong defense force to prevent war.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk to you more about that,
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Speaker 3: especially given that we've seen Donald Trump win the US election,
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Speaker 3: a lot of hope that he could bring peace to
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Speaker 3: the Middle East, that he could bring peace in Ukraine,
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Speaker 3: that he would stand up more strongly across the Taiwan
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Speaker 3: Straits against China. What are you expecting from a Trump
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Speaker 3: administration when it comes to the the big flash points
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Speaker 3: in the world at the moment.
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Speaker 8: I said back in July that there'd be no free
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Speaker 8: lunch under a Trump presidency, and I think that's a
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Speaker 8: reality that many nations have to start dealing with. America
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Speaker 8: is going to reinvest in its own industrial base, in
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Speaker 8: its own military, which is a good thing because a
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Speaker 8: strong America means a strong world order.
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Speaker 2: But I think.
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Speaker 8: Also there will be an expectation on allies to lift
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Speaker 8: defense spending and to reindustrialize as well. And so the
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Speaker 8: takeaway for us is we're going to have to lift
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Speaker 8: our game with defense. Labor is not spending enough. They're
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Speaker 8: not investing in the defense force enough, and so we
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Speaker 8: need to up our defense spend. But we've got to
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Speaker 8: be smart about how we invest in our defense force.
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Speaker 8: And then, of course we need to reindustrialize Australia. Now
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Speaker 8: we don't want to do everything, but we need to
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Speaker 8: identify those areas of industry which are absolutely critical to
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Speaker 8: our national survival in a war or conflict, and we
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Speaker 8: need to invest in them and we need to build them.
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Speaker 8: And again, this labor government is not doing that. So
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Speaker 8: I think they're the two takeaways from a t On presidency.
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Speaker 3: You've been talking about investing more and investing more wisely
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Speaker 3: in our defense personnel and hardware for a long while.
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Speaker 3: But the Trump presidency, the second Trump presidency, remain means
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Speaker 3: that that could be foced on Australia regardless, hasn't it.
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Speaker 3: Regardless of what we decide to do, it'll be demanded
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Speaker 3: of us as an ally.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 8: I think President Trump is transactional, that's no secret, and
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Speaker 8: he'll expect his partners and allies to do their bit,
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Speaker 8: and especially with ORCUS. I think Orcus we really need
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Speaker 8: to lift our pace and our speed. We're not seeing
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Speaker 8: the leadership required from both the federal government under Anthony
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Speaker 8: Albanezi nor the WA State government under Roger Cook. And
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Speaker 8: I think the Americans under Trump will be demanding more
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Speaker 8: of us. So we need to be ready for that,
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Speaker 8: and that's why we've been calling on this labor government
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Speaker 8: to do more, not just with UCUS, but across the fence,
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Speaker 8: because of course we can't put all our eggs in
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Speaker 8: one basket. We also have an army and a navy
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Speaker 8: and an air force. We also have emerging capabilities in
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Speaker 8: cyber and space as well. So this is a great
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Speaker 8: opportunity for us as well because there are a lot
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Speaker 8: of economic dividends with investment into defense, and so I'm
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Speaker 8: actually optimistic, and I'm also excited for young Australians who
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Speaker 8: will either serve in uniform or be involved in the
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Speaker 8: defense industry supply chain in some way.
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Speaker 3: Isn't this another arm of the energy debate that people
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Speaker 3: don't pay enough attention to. If we're going to be
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Speaker 3: a strong country in defense terms, if we're going to
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Speaker 3: reindustrialize ourselves.
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Speaker 2: If we're going to build.
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Speaker 3: And manufacture defense armaments, including nuclear power submarines here, we
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Speaker 3: can't do it powered on renewable energy. It's laughable. We
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Speaker 3: need reliable, dispatchable power. And that's why nuclear energy is
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Speaker 3: not only something that's important for the domestic economy, it's
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Speaker 3: important for the nation's defense.
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Speaker 8: Precisely, Chris, I know you've been on this point for
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Speaker 8: almost a decade now. Intermittent solar and wind power is
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Speaker 8: not enough to deliver the industrial outcomes that we need
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Speaker 8: as a country. If we're going to be strong and
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Speaker 8: rebuild our defense force, the only way to do that
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Speaker 8: is with reliable baseload power, and that comes from coal,
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Speaker 8: gas and nuclear power, which is why we're making the
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Speaker 8: argument for nuclear power. But yes, Defense only a week
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Speaker 8: or so ago released it's net zero strategy. China has
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Speaker 8: not committed to net zero until twenty sixty and by
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Speaker 8: the way, they've committed to peaking their emissions by twenty thirty,
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Speaker 8: and the same with Russia and so as America is
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Speaker 8: going to start reindustrializing, as Russia and China and other
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Speaker 8: countries aren't even doing any sorts of commitment towards net
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Speaker 8: zero in the next decade and beyond, what is our
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Speaker 8: defense force doing well? They're releasing a net zero strategy,
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Speaker 8: which is insane in my opinion, because we need to
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Speaker 8: be focused on delivering industrial outcomes that will strengthen our
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Speaker 8: defense force and give us supply chain security in the
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Speaker 8: event of a crisis or a conflict.
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Speaker 3: Extraordinary staff. Thanks for joining us, Andrew Hassey, and thank
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Speaker 3: you for your service.
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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks, Chris. Good to be with you now.
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Speaker 3: I've got to admit I hadn't heard about this defense
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Speaker 3: net zero strategy, and sure enough, there it is.
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Speaker 1: They released it a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 3: Our defense department, which can't seem to procure the right
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Speaker 3: equipment on time for our service personnel, and which is
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Speaker 3: failing to recruit or retain enough service personal and which
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Speaker 3: faces grave strategic challenges in our region, and further afilled well,
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Speaker 3: it's focused on getting to net zero, a net zero
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Speaker 3: defense force.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
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Speaker 3: It's like we're doing our enemies work for them. It's
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Speaker 3: like we want to make ourselves weak and vulnerable. The
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Speaker 3: sooner this madness ends, the better for the sake of
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Speaker 3: our country, for the sake of our security. We need
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Speaker 3: to get this mob out and have Andrew Hasty in
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Speaker 3: charge of defense. The violence in Amsterdam on Friday was
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Speaker 3: a sickening flashback to the anti semitism Europe thought it
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Speaker 3: had left behind. Israeli soccer fans were attacked by groups
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Speaker 3: of men in what the local mayor likened to anti
20:17
Speaker 3: Semitic hit and run squads. Here's the latest thanks to
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Speaker 3: Channel four News in the UK.
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Speaker 11: Amsterdam had been bracing for violence ahead of the match,
20:27
Speaker 11: but when it came, its scale and nature were shocking.
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Speaker 11: Police said men on scooters hunted down Israeli football supporters
20:34
Speaker 11: to beat them. One person kicked while prone, apparently unconscious.
20:42
Speaker 11: This man forced to say free Palestine, as was another
20:50
Speaker 11: from the middle of a river, this man telling his
20:54
Speaker 11: attacker I'm not Jewish and beaten anyway.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in Alex Richard from the Executive Council of
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Speaker 3: Australian Jury. Alex, thanks for joining us again. I say
21:07
Speaker 3: this horrified the world, but this must have just sent
21:10
Speaker 3: shudders through Jewish communities around the world.
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Speaker 12: Well, it was just sickening. As you said, we thought
21:16
Speaker 12: the era of Jews being hunted and beaten on the
21:20
Speaker 12: streets of European cities was behind us, but clearly it's not.
21:24
Speaker 12: And it shows that in this current environment where you
21:27
Speaker 12: have weekly protests, where you have support for terrorists, vicious
21:30
Speaker 12: chants against the Jewish people, against the State of Israel,
21:33
Speaker 12: all you need is some sort of a spark, as
21:35
Speaker 12: we saw their the arrival with Israeli football fans into
21:39
Speaker 12: the city and the mob runs right and again We've
21:41
Speaker 12: been speaking about it for every year. It comes down
21:44
Speaker 12: to weak policing week leadership. Israeli intel had worn the
21:48
Speaker 12: Dutch authorities prior to their rival, but there was social
21:51
Speaker 12: media chatter, coordination planning, there was careful coordination between taxi
21:55
Speaker 12: drivers in the city and mobs. The taxi drivers were
21:58
Speaker 12: notifying mobs where the Israeli fans were staying, where they
22:02
Speaker 12: were likely to be, and the fact that this has occurred,
22:05
Speaker 12: it's just really quite sick here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, as you say, I think the weakness that we've
22:09
Speaker 3: seen from authorities for so long comes into play here
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Speaker 3: and that's why I'm worried.
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Speaker 1: About the weakness we've seen in Australia.
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Speaker 3: I just want to show some vision here of a
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Speaker 3: Palestinian flag being pulled down in Amsterdam.
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Speaker 1: Now It's how it's hard to verify.
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Speaker 3: All of these various reports, but there are a lot
22:26
Speaker 3: of suggestions from reports that these were Israeli soccer fans
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Speaker 3: pulling down the Palestinian flag. But then the reporting almost
22:33
Speaker 3: goes on to suggest that then what followed was justified.
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Speaker 3: But even if this sort of thing was going on,
22:39
Speaker 3: it doesn't justify groups rampaging through the streets just looking
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Speaker 3: for any jude to beat.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's been interesting to observe the range of responses
22:49
Speaker 12: to this horrific incident, which is similar to the responses
22:52
Speaker 12: October seven itself. At the beginning, people sort of deny
22:55
Speaker 12: either this occurred or to downplay as mere football organism,
22:59
Speaker 12: and then, in the face of irrefutable video evidence and
23:02
Speaker 12: eyewitness testimony, suddenly the blame was shipped onto the victims.
23:06
Speaker 12: It was provoked by Israelis because a couple of fans
23:09
Speaker 12: tore down a Palestinian flag. Now, if that was the
23:12
Speaker 12: standard to justify mob rampages and violence, let's spare in
23:16
Speaker 12: mind this happens on our streets on a weekly basis,
23:18
Speaker 12: where Israeli flags are torn down, they've burned, we hear
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Speaker 12: transformed for the destruction of Israel. Do you see Jewish
23:26
Speaker 12: mobs chasing people of Middle East in appearance, seeking to
23:29
Speaker 12: beat anyone that looks like they might vote for Adam Bandt.
23:32
Speaker 12: Of course not. But when it's the Jews that are
23:33
Speaker 12: the victims, they're the ones that are blamed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
23:37
Speaker 3: I just want to get your thoughts briefly on something
23:39
Speaker 3: else on this show. A number of times I've said
23:41
Speaker 3: that there's been no prosecutions and no action taken against
23:45
Speaker 3: anti Semitic acts in this country. I just want to
23:47
Speaker 3: update that because there have been a couple of instances
23:51
Speaker 3: of criminal charges laid. A woman nineteen charged over displaying
23:55
Speaker 3: a his Balah flag. Then there was a restaurant tour
23:58
Speaker 3: in Sydney Allen Yazbek who's pleaded guilty to and insignia
24:03
Speaker 3: using the Israeli flag and a Nazi insignia. There are
24:07
Speaker 3: some police actions being taken. Alex Richard pleased about that,
24:13
Speaker 3: although I noticed none of the hate preachers seem to
24:15
Speaker 3: have been silent still deported.
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Speaker 12: Well, we've been calling for this for a long long
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Speaker 12: time and had there been decisive action on October eight
24:23
Speaker 12: and nine, when we saw violent support for terrorism on
24:28
Speaker 12: our streets, and the horrific scenes on the steps of
24:30
Speaker 12: the opera house. Maybe a lot of what has ensued
24:32
Speaker 12: in an intervening year could have been avoided, but better
24:34
Speaker 12: late than ever.
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Speaker 2: But we're still kind of.
24:36
Speaker 12: Pessimistic about what my compliment is. We've seen with universities,
24:39
Speaker 12: for example, discipline reaction taken but then dropped or overturned
24:43
Speaker 12: on appeal. So until we see decisive action against supporters
24:47
Speaker 12: of terrorism, we're going to see the sort of thing
24:49
Speaker 12: continue and continue.
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Speaker 3: Alex, thanks for joining us, Alex richand there from the
24:53
Speaker 3: Executive Council of Australian Jury. Yeah, I'm not particularly hopeful
24:56
Speaker 3: for this sort of weak criminal action or or judicial action,
25:01
Speaker 3: police action and late, but I do want to make
25:05
Speaker 3: sure that you know what's happening, because I've said for
25:07
Speaker 3: a long while it hasn't been happening well, or at
25:08
Speaker 3: least some attempts to prosecute some alleged defenders.
25:12
Speaker 13: Now we've got to take a break.
25:13
Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll talk with the panel about
25:15
Speaker 3: how New Zealand's Foreigners to Winston Peters has blasted Labour's
25:20
Speaker 3: pathetic COVID inquiry and also Labour's climate change ambassador well
25:24
Speaker 3: she's pretty busy expanding her carbon footprint. Love kicking off
25:32
Speaker 3: the week with these two gematone Uni from GT Communications
25:35
Speaker 3: here on the desk with me and over in Perth
25:37
Speaker 3: Caroline Deer were so host of.
25:38
Speaker 1: The Royal Report. Let's sort out the world.
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Speaker 3: I want to start with something we really didn't focus
25:43
Speaker 3: on enough last week and Genma. They kind of stuck
25:45
Speaker 3: it through Labor through the Lower House last week while
25:48
Speaker 3: everyone was focused on the American election. This misinformation Disinformation
25:52
Speaker 3: bill Big trouble.
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean that's a red flag in itself. The
25:56
Speaker 9: fact that they're letting the fox into the henhouse and
25:59
Speaker 9: the dead of night when everybody is distracted with other things.
26:01
Speaker 9: I mean, the premise of a government deciding what is
26:06
Speaker 9: misinformation and disinformation in this context is absolutely terrifying. And
26:11
Speaker 9: I think a really powerful recent example that everyone can
26:14
Speaker 9: relate to in the cold, hard light of day is
26:16
Speaker 9: the COVID situation. We were lied to.
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Speaker 2: We were told with.
26:21
Speaker 9: A bare face by governments of all persuasions.
26:24
Speaker 1: They might at labor and liberal, labor and.
26:26
Speaker 9: Liberal, that we were all going to die if we
26:27
Speaker 9: watched the sunset, that we're all going to die if
26:29
Speaker 9: the borders were open. We were told an all unmitigated
26:32
Speaker 9: amount of bs in the name of truth, and we
26:35
Speaker 9: all know that it wasn't truth. It was polling driven
26:39
Speaker 9: diet tribe. Everyone should be extremely concerned about this legislation.
26:43
Speaker 9: And if mister Albaneza isn't paying attention to where elections
26:47
Speaker 9: are going globally in the face of this sort of stuff,
26:50
Speaker 9: well then he deserves what's on the receiving end of his.
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Speaker 3: And they secretly censored us during COVID, both labor and liberal.
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Speaker 1: And this is the point.
27:01
Speaker 3: They secretly censored us during COVID, and yet now they
27:04
Speaker 3: want more power over information and misinformation. These are the
27:07
Speaker 3: same mob you tell us every day that renewable energy
27:10
Speaker 3: is cheap and reliable, I mean, and they're going to
27:13
Speaker 3: be the arbiters of truth.
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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
27:15
Speaker 3: No wonder Anthony Albanezi is now trailing in the polls.
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Speaker 14: And look the thing is, we saw what happened when
27:24
Speaker 14: this wasn't legislated, so why would we give them a
27:28
Speaker 14: stick to be able to do this and more? And
27:33
Speaker 14: you think about the number of people who were canceled,
27:36
Speaker 14: the number of people that were just cowered into silence,
27:38
Speaker 14: no one was allowed to have an opinion about anything.
27:41
Speaker 14: And we've spoken on this show plenty of times. You know,
27:45
Speaker 14: I would rather err to the side of more speech
27:50
Speaker 14: than less speech. If there is a dumb idea, let
27:54
Speaker 14: it be picked to pieces in the cold, hard light
27:58
Speaker 14: of day, in front of everyone. And I think ultimately
28:02
Speaker 14: that leads to a much better society overall, because then
28:05
Speaker 14: at least people know that if they're going to say something,
28:09
Speaker 14: then they're going to have to back it up. Because
28:11
Speaker 14: if people think that there is no consequence to their behavior,
28:15
Speaker 14: and the government is the perfect example of that, well
28:18
Speaker 14: then why wouldn't you push that even further because you
28:22
Speaker 14: know that there's no one who can ring the bell
28:25
Speaker 14: on your bs. Look the trailing and the Polse thing, Chris,
28:30
Speaker 14: that is this and a whole bunch of other things.
28:33
Speaker 14: You insistent stunning under performance by this government. And I
28:39
Speaker 14: think the Australian people, Yeah, we're all for a fair
28:42
Speaker 14: goal and you know, let them let this government go
28:45
Speaker 14: and see how they do and all those sorts of things.
28:47
Speaker 14: And I think the Australian people have worked out that
28:49
Speaker 14: they're all for coton nikas and can we please have
28:51
Speaker 14: an election?
28:52
Speaker 6: Yeah?
28:52
Speaker 3: I think fundamental stuff like the cost of living and
28:55
Speaker 3: energy is really driving it. But I think this information
28:58
Speaker 3: Bill shows how they're just out of with mainstream concerns.
29:01
Speaker 3: I just want to show a headline here with the Whinston.
29:03
Speaker 3: Peter's the New Zealand Foreign Minister and he's been a
29:06
Speaker 3: long time political power force really in New Zealand. He's
29:11
Speaker 3: kind of the New Zealand's Paul end Hanson in many ways.
29:14
Speaker 1: He says our COVID inquiry was a whitewash. We need
29:16
Speaker 1: a royal commission.
29:17
Speaker 3: While you're singing my song there, Chris Mitchell was great
29:20
Speaker 3: on that in The Australian's Day and we see that
29:23
Speaker 3: Albo is behind on news Paul Jemma that says second
29:26
Speaker 3: month in a row. Perhaps more importantly checking on the
29:30
Speaker 3: vetting platforms today. Any talent they have the coalition now
29:34
Speaker 3: favored to actually form government.
29:36
Speaker 1: That's a big call. It's going to be tough.
29:38
Speaker 3: For them, but all the portents are heading in the
29:40
Speaker 3: wrong direction for labor and all strength to Peter Dutton's arm.
29:43
Speaker 9: I did an event with Peter van Ancelo at the
29:46
Speaker 9: Sydney Institute about six months ago and now actually was
29:48
Speaker 9: June so I don't know four months ago. And I
29:51
Speaker 9: am not a polster. As you know, I don't operate
29:54
Speaker 9: in the political realm in a professional capacity. But I'm
29:57
Speaker 9: fifty one, I've been around. I was a journal whilst
30:00
Speaker 9: i'm now no longer a journalist. It doesn't surprise me.
30:02
Speaker 9: And at that event I was quite bolshy and said, look,
30:06
Speaker 9: you can lose nineteen seats. You can win nineteen seats
30:08
Speaker 9: like people who have been saying, oh no, it's too
30:10
Speaker 9: many seats. We won't get the mat. If you can
30:12
Speaker 9: lose them in one hair, you can win them in
30:13
Speaker 9: one hit.
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Speaker 1: But I think I agree.
30:15
Speaker 9: I also don't believe that this government has ever adjusted
30:19
Speaker 9: to being a government. They've never adjusted to the account Listen,
30:22
Speaker 9: the price of leadership is accountability. We don't see any
30:26
Speaker 9: of that. And as for the Teals, the hypocritical Teals,
30:29
Speaker 9: Oh we're all about transparency. They're all backing the misinformation bill.
30:34
Speaker 3: Hypocrite, don't forget your Teal MPs misinformation bill, which brings
30:39
Speaker 3: me to another story.
30:40
Speaker 1: Courtesy the Dathly Telegraph.
30:41
Speaker 3: Today they've had a look at the Teals and the
30:44
Speaker 3: labor MPs were loud on climate change and where they've
30:47
Speaker 3: bought their beach houses. Yes, that's write a legor of
30:50
Speaker 3: Spender and Zoey Daniel and Tony Burke and Chris Bowen.
30:54
Speaker 1: They've all got houses down at the beach. They're all
30:56
Speaker 1: telling us, Caroline, that the.
30:58
Speaker 3: Boiling oceans are going to eyes and drown us all.
31:01
Speaker 3: But they're all in for their own beach houses.
31:03
Speaker 1: What hypocrites.
31:06
Speaker 14: It's extraordinary, isn't it. You would think if you were
31:09
Speaker 14: so worried about this, if you were so worried about this,
31:12
Speaker 14: you'll be buying places up in the mountains. I don't
31:15
Speaker 14: know if any of them do have places up, but
31:17
Speaker 14: not that. We've got a lot of mountains in this country.
31:19
Speaker 14: But you know, so to speak, and go and get
31:21
Speaker 14: yourself a tree change all have beach houses. And then
31:25
Speaker 14: I wonder, then ask myself this question. If you're going
31:29
Speaker 14: to buy yourself a beach house, either you know what
31:33
Speaker 14: you're peddling is total rubbish, or you actually believe it
31:37
Speaker 14: and you think that by all of us, you know,
31:39
Speaker 14: drinking out of paper straws, that somehow are going to
31:42
Speaker 14: change the climate of the earth. I'm really not quite
31:44
Speaker 14: sure where they sit in either of those camps. Perhaps
31:48
Speaker 14: there's a bit of vent diagram.
31:50
Speaker 9: I can tee you where they sit.
31:51
Speaker 14: But it is actually terrifying. It is actually terrifying the
31:56
Speaker 14: level of hypocrisy. But not just that the way they hector,
32:00
Speaker 14: the way they hecked a normal everyday Australians.
32:04
Speaker 1: Well, let me that you should.
32:07
Speaker 14: Pay more for your energy bill because we're going to
32:09
Speaker 14: save the planet.
32:10
Speaker 1: Line, let me find that rank.
32:11
Speaker 3: Let me just before I go to GEMMA, show another example,
32:14
Speaker 3: and that is the alb government's climate ambassador. She's spent
32:19
Speaker 3: a quarter of a million dollars flying around the world.
32:22
Speaker 3: She's got a carbon footprint the size of a wooly mammoth.
32:26
Speaker 9: Gemma carbon footprint the size of a developing nation in
32:29
Speaker 9: some Saharan Africa, I think, although they don't have access
32:32
Speaker 9: to clean energy, so probably a bad analogy.
32:35
Speaker 2: But this is this is.
32:36
Speaker 9: Another layer in the in thees the hypocrisy of the
32:41
Speaker 9: Albaneze government. But they treat the electric light mugs and
32:44
Speaker 9: they should work out that another of them. Have been
32:46
Speaker 9: around long enough now, Chris to know you can't treat
32:48
Speaker 9: the electric light mugs. You can't turn around and go.
32:51
Speaker 2: You don't get to fly.
32:51
Speaker 9: But she's allowed to fly. You don't get to eat
32:55
Speaker 9: a burger, but I'm going to eat a burger. You
32:56
Speaker 9: don't get to do anything, but I'm gonna have my
32:58
Speaker 9: beach house.
33:00
Speaker 3: You know that we're going to be We're going to
33:02
Speaker 3: be eating grasshoppers and staying at home while they're at
33:05
Speaker 3: the beach house.
33:06
Speaker 9: I'm fine in bulk. It's like the Chief Health Officer
33:08
Speaker 9: of South Australia said, it's okay, you can do your
33:10
Speaker 9: isolation in your beach house.
33:12
Speaker 1: Remember that instrument.
33:13
Speaker 9: Yeah, this is what we're dealing with. And if this
33:17
Speaker 9: government cannot hear the bell tolling.
33:20
Speaker 3: Yep, wake up, wake up. Thanks for joining us, Jem
33:24
Speaker 3: and Caroline. I appreciate it. But to get to a
33:26
Speaker 3: break on the other side, I'm going to catch up
33:27
Speaker 3: with the shadow Assistant Defense Minister Phil Thompson on Rememberance Day. Plus,
33:31
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you this new film where the
33:33
Speaker 3: central character is one of the most famous pools.
33:35
Speaker 1: In the world.
33:40
Speaker 3: Let's head up to the wonderful garrison city of Townsville
33:42
Speaker 3: and catch up with Phil Thompson's shadow Assistant Defense Minister.
33:45
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Phil, give us a sense of
33:48
Speaker 3: how Townsville marked Rememberance Day today.
33:53
Speaker 15: Lots of people came out today and paused for a
33:57
Speaker 15: minute of silence and remember those who have been killed
34:00
Speaker 15: in battle, died in training, or succumbed to their war
34:03
Speaker 15: within back here on home soil.
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Speaker 1: It was quite an.
34:06
Speaker 15: Emotional day where I spoke with families that have lost
34:09
Speaker 15: loved ones and school kids learning about what it means
34:12
Speaker 15: to be in the Istralian Defense Force. It was a
34:16
Speaker 15: day of mixed emotions for myself as well.
34:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, it must be so tough for people like yourself
34:22
Speaker 3: who have those clear memories of comrades fallen, and you're
34:26
Speaker 3: also focused on the threats that we're dealing with in
34:30
Speaker 3: the contemporary times and into the future. I was staggered
34:34
Speaker 3: to hear from your shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty earlier
34:40
Speaker 3: today that the Defense Department has put out.
34:44
Speaker 1: A net zero strategy.
34:46
Speaker 3: Should we be getting our Defense Department out of our
34:49
Speaker 3: arm services to net zero or is that not insane?
34:55
Speaker 15: It really, to be honest, made it feels like a
34:58
Speaker 15: kick in the guards that we're talking about net zero
35:01
Speaker 15: targets in the ADF when we need to be focusing
35:04
Speaker 15: on making sure that we have enough brave men and
35:06
Speaker 15: women to do what their role is, which is to
35:08
Speaker 15: fight in and win wars.
35:10
Speaker 13: Fight in and win wars.
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Speaker 1: Is what the role of the ADF is.
35:12
Speaker 15: Not worried about gender neutral toilets, not worried about net zero,
35:16
Speaker 15: not nothing to do with that.
35:18
Speaker 13: Let them do their job.
35:19
Speaker 15: Start focusing on the real threats that are at our doorstep.
35:24
Speaker 15: And that's not a joke, not fear mongering, not scaring people.
35:28
Speaker 15: We are in the most unusual precarious time that we've
35:32
Speaker 15: ever seen ourselves. We need to be focusing on deterring
35:36
Speaker 15: the threat, not all this other bs mate.
35:39
Speaker 3: Yes so well, said philom And the point is, as
35:41
Speaker 3: you say, we don't have enough people in the armed forces.
35:44
Speaker 1: They can't keep and attract.
35:46
Speaker 3: The people they need, and they need better equipment and
35:49
Speaker 3: better plans, and they need to be able to focus
35:51
Speaker 3: on that, tell us about it, what it does to
35:53
Speaker 3: their morale. Where instead of focusing on that, our current
35:56
Speaker 3: arm services personnel are told to focus.
35:59
Speaker 1: On net zero.
36:02
Speaker 15: So we've seen Richard Marles and Anthony Albanezi set targets
36:08
Speaker 15: for retention and recruitment. Now we've dropped five thousand people
36:13
Speaker 15: to where it's actually sitting because they can't keep up,
36:16
Speaker 15: they can't retain people. Now, instead of flying to Townsville,
36:19
Speaker 15: instead of flying to Sydney and to Darwin, sitting down
36:22
Speaker 15: with the soldiers, the sailors and the aviators, going what
36:25
Speaker 15: do we need to do to keep you? What do
36:27
Speaker 15: you need to do your job and to like to
36:30
Speaker 15: do your job and to want to stay. And I
36:31
Speaker 15: guarantee it's not worrying about net zero. It's about making
36:34
Speaker 15: sure they're the best equipment to fight, they have the
36:36
Speaker 15: best training, they train with our partners around the world.
36:40
Speaker 15: And then they want to see veterans getting looked after.
36:42
Speaker 15: So on, remembering state on Anzac Day, when we think
36:45
Speaker 15: about those that pay the ultimate sacrifice. That's also the
36:48
Speaker 15: time when I look forward and go, how do we
36:50
Speaker 15: support the new people coming in? Are they looking in
36:53
Speaker 15: saying I want to be a part of the ADF
36:55
Speaker 15: or are they looking in saying what are the garbage
36:57
Speaker 15: are they coming up with?
36:58
Speaker 2: Today?
36:59
Speaker 3: Well said Phil Thompson, Thanks so much for joining us.
37:01
Speaker 3: I must catch up with you again soon to talk
37:03
Speaker 3: about other issues in Townsville, including youth crime, but we'll
37:07
Speaker 3: leave it there for now.
37:07
Speaker 1: Thanks very much.
37:08
Speaker 3: That's Phil Thompson, who's the shadow assistants Defense Minister at
37:12
Speaker 3: Army veteran himself for you who heard him there, speaking
37:14
Speaker 3: with clarity, passion and common sense. Let's focus on what
37:18
Speaker 3: matters in defense. Hey, let's give net zero. Let's leave
37:21
Speaker 3: that to the climate ambassador. Now, swimming for safety and
37:26
Speaker 3: for good health is a major focus now as we
37:28
Speaker 3: prepare for another summer. So it's a great time to
37:31
Speaker 3: tell you about a wonderful new documentary film where the
37:34
Speaker 3: central character is a world famous pool at what is
37:38
Speaker 3: probably Australia's most famous beach. It's a bit of a
37:41
Speaker 3: special place for me, this one, So have a look
37:44
Speaker 3: and enjoy. This is the Bondai Iceberg's Pool on the
37:51
Speaker 3: southern edge of Bondai Beach, a wondrous sight clinging to
37:54
Speaker 3: the cliffs. The most photographed pool in the world, they say,
37:58
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37:59
Speaker 13: Racy repitation on summer weekends.
38:15
Speaker 3: It's almost hedonistic, a place for influencers to be seen
38:24
Speaker 3: more selfies than swimming. But the real icebergs, seven days
38:28
Speaker 3: a week, fifty two weeks a year, that Icebergs is
38:31
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38:34
Speaker 11: So let's go the.
38:39
Speaker 2: Minute. But the pins on a look the clock.
38:41
Speaker 1: I can't go try and go a minute. Then we'll
38:44
Speaker 1: do two without try and go a minute fifteen.
38:46
Speaker 3: This pool is about mornings and people and community, and
38:51
Speaker 3: it's the subject of a wonderful new documentary, The Pool.
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Speaker 16: Oh, I mean so many different things, but it's actually
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Speaker 16: really it's my every day. It's like my champagne. Some
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Speaker 16: days I feel like I want to bottle it and
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Speaker 16: take it home because it leaves me feeling so amazing
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Speaker 16: and I just want to hang on to that. I
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Speaker 16: can't really get through my day unless I've been in here.
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Speaker 3: Margie Simpson Lee is an Iceberg's member and a fanatical
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Speaker 3: swimming competitor. She's also the executive producer of the film,
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Speaker 3: directed by another Iceberg swimmer, Ian Darling. The idea began
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Speaker 3: when the pool faced a COVID shutdown.
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Speaker 16: We're all down here on the last day. I think
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Speaker 16: they were closing it at like something like one point
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Speaker 16: thirty in the afternoon, and we're all down here going,
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Speaker 16: oh my gosh, what are we going to do? Where
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Speaker 16: are we going to meet? How are we going to
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Speaker 16: see each other? And it wasn't even so much about
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Speaker 16: the water anymore. We just realized that this community that
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Speaker 16: we're about to lose was something quite fundamental to our
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Speaker 16: every day.
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Speaker 17: Yes, I swim here the whole time, and I was
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Speaker 17: looking for a happy story and a film about community
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Speaker 17: and everything.
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't until Maggie said, well what about here?
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Speaker 17: And often the great stories are under your nose, and
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Speaker 17: it's I think often familiarity breeds contempt, and it's not
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Speaker 17: till you actually stand back from something and you go, wow,
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Speaker 17: this is not only an incredible community, but it is
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Speaker 17: one of the most beautiful ocean pools in the world.
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Speaker 3: The result is visually spectacular, full of characters and charm
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Speaker 3: and even drama.
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Speaker 17: We wanted audiences just to sit there and, as you say,
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Speaker 17: let the film wash over them and let them contemplate
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Speaker 17: their own experiences and whether they were part of a
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Speaker 17: community and whether they valued it enough or whether they
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Speaker 17: had a real yearning to be a part of a community.
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Speaker 2: And I think with.
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Speaker 17: The film, we have a series of long, meditative pieces
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Speaker 17: where people can just reflect on their own place in
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Speaker 17: life and where they are and what they may be
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Speaker 17: wanting to do differently.
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Speaker 1: Three one hundreds, then a four hundred, All right.
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Speaker 8: The past the Lange will go three k this morning
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Speaker 8: and the other angell Go two point five.
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Speaker 3: Neil Rodgers was the Iceberg's coach, a swimming legend. He
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Speaker 3: was also Iceberg's de facto social director. Sadly Neil and
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Speaker 3: two others who feature in the film have died since
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Speaker 3: it was shot.
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Speaker 16: Neil Rogers is an incredible person. He's an our Olympian swimmer,
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Speaker 16: and he was our coach, and he taught people kids,
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Speaker 16: he taught adults to swim. He was the most caring
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Speaker 16: person and he actually brought us all together.
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Speaker 18: I remember getting invited to swim. It's just socially and
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Speaker 18: they were like, oh, it's a bunch of old boys,
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Speaker 18: like and you'll be fine, and I'll yeah, yeah, cool,
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Speaker 18: I'll show up.
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Speaker 2: You looked to an easy session and.
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Speaker 18: I'm at the back of the lane trying to hold on.
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Speaker 18: It's like, these guys aren't social swim ex Olympians X
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Speaker 18: com game swimmers.
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Speaker 3: The film also brings in the ocean swimmers and the
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Speaker 3: serious swimming squad teams, the beauty of the location, and
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Speaker 3: the divergent stories of all the regulars.
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Speaker 13: We come down here and we swim, We swim.
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Speaker 19: That's it. About half an hour in the cold water,
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Speaker 19: twenty laps of the pool, Doctor Pacific, Doctor Pacific, and
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Speaker 19: we re arrive here about the same time every morning,
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Speaker 19: say thirteen minutes to seven.
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Speaker 20: There's a few guys in the squad that make the
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Speaker 20: whole winter just wearing their speeders, which I'm quite envious of.
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Speaker 12: Winter's tough.
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Speaker 2: You see a few people drop off, that's.
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Speaker 20: Definitely a thing, and then they come back when the
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Speaker 20: water says, swarm up, and I'm one of those people.
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Speaker 3: The Iceberg's name comes from the winter swimmers, but there
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Speaker 3: are all pipes. It's very egalitarian therefore typically Australian the
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Speaker 3: best of us. So it'll be fascinating to see how
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Speaker 3: it's received overseas.
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Speaker 2: I think there'll be a lot of envy.
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Speaker 17: Like if you're watching this film in a cold apartment
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Speaker 17: in London, you'll be going, I just wish I was there.
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Speaker 10: Look, I got to say that I've got this swimming
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Speaker 10: bug myself now too. But while this film is set
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Speaker 10: in this pool and it's about this pool, it's not
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Speaker 10: really about the pool and swimming.
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Speaker 2: It's about a pool of humanity.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, and I think that was originally our working title
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Speaker 17: was the Swimming Pool.
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Speaker 2: But you're so right.
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Speaker 17: It is actually just about this pool of people that
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Speaker 17: come together and they're drawn together by.
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Speaker 2: This common thing. It happens to be a pool.
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Speaker 17: At one of our film festival screenings, a couple of
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Speaker 17: ladies came up to us and they were very emotional
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Speaker 17: and they said, we don't swim, but we feely have
43:59
Speaker 17: made it film.
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Speaker 2: About our book club.
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Speaker 17: We actually get it, and we valued that club now
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Speaker 17: even more than we did before.
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Speaker 16: I mean that never skips past any of us. Every
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Speaker 16: day I come down here and think I never get
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Speaker 16: sick of this lucky as people.
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Speaker 2: In the world.
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Speaker 1: Sure are, sure are?
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Speaker 19: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The Pool is now showing in cinemas, including of the
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Speaker 3: Bondai Outdoor Cinema, So check your guides around the country,
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Speaker 3: or you can google the Pool film and go to
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Speaker 3: their website where there's stacks of information and yeah, take
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Speaker 3: the plunge. Swimming is great for everyone. Now coming up
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Speaker 3: after the break, going to catch up with Sophie Elsworth
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Speaker 3: as every on a Monday to talk media issues, including
44:42
Speaker 3: the ABC getting out the begging bowl again. So much
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Speaker 3: to squeeze in with Sophie Ellsworth, media writer for The Australian,
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Speaker 3: joining us live from Melbourne and Sophie. It can't be true, surely,
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Speaker 3: given especially all the disastrous for report stuff ups and
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Speaker 3: bias we've seen from the ABC lately.
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Speaker 1: They're not really going to ask for more money, are they.
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Speaker 21: Well, Chris, they are really. Kim Williams last week was
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Speaker 21: speaking at a public event where he was saying that
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Speaker 21: you really have to invest in the ABC and that
45:19
Speaker 21: you need obviously more money to do so. But it
45:23
Speaker 21: comes at the same time that it's sent it estimates.
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Speaker 21: Last week, Melanie Klein, who was acting as the David
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Speaker 21: Anderson's replacement while he was away, said that they've spent
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Speaker 21: eight hundred thousand dollars on rebranding, which is the rebranding
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Speaker 21: online and changing the music on their stations. I mean, Chris,
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Speaker 21: that is a lot of money, and I don't reckon
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Speaker 21: there'd be many commercial entities in the media industry that
45:50
Speaker 21: would be throwing that amount of cash around for a
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Speaker 21: rebrand Yeah, not.
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Speaker 3: To mention two million dollars to defend themselves from doctoring
45:58
Speaker 3: footage to make our soldiers look like war criminals.
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Speaker 1: What a disgrace. I want to go to this press council.
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Speaker 3: They looked at this cartoon we talked about the other
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Speaker 3: week the Sydney Morning Herald an age cartoon which I
46:09
Speaker 3: found horrible because it basically equated the actions of Israel
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Speaker 3: with those of Hummus. But the Press Council hasn't taken
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Speaker 3: any action against the cartoon. I think that's the right option.
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Speaker 3: You've got to have free speech. People should be able
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Speaker 3: to publish offensive cartoons. I'm happy to call it disgraceful
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Speaker 3: and offensive. But you know on this stuff, censor.
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Speaker 11: Do you.
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Speaker 21: Well, Chris, there is a really a fine line here.
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Speaker 21: I believe once you start deciding, if there's a decision
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Speaker 21: we publish this cartoon, we don't publish that cartoon, I
46:45
Speaker 21: think we run into a very dangerous space of censorship
46:49
Speaker 21: and I think that is a problem. So but this
46:51
Speaker 21: has been rejected by the Press Council. They said the
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Speaker 21: Sydney Morning Herald in the Age fixed up the cartoon,
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Speaker 21: made changes and as far as their concerned, and the
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Speaker 21: matter is closed.
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Speaker 3: I've just got to bring a little media story by
47:04
Speaker 3: you as well, because we talked last week about how
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Speaker 3: the election will re election, the return of Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: to the White House will make things pretty tough for
47:11
Speaker 3: our current ambassador, former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd because he
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Speaker 3: said and tweeted so many horrendous things about Trump.
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Speaker 1: There's a great story in the.
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Speaker 3: New York Times late last week, the Lefty Bible in
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Speaker 3: the US, and it's raised the question of why the
47:26
Speaker 3: Australian ambassador has deleted all these tweets, so they're all
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Speaker 3: there in the story. Everybody in the US knows about it,
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Speaker 3: and his position is going to be made untenable if
47:35
Speaker 3: people keep focusing on it.
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Speaker 21: It's very damage increase. On a very serious note, this
47:42
Speaker 21: is a shocking look for Australia. But mister Albanezi knew
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Speaker 21: what Kevin Rudd was saying about Trump before he got
47:50
Speaker 21: that plumb job over in America, and I think this
47:53
Speaker 21: is going to cause problems when they eventually have to
47:56
Speaker 21: work with each other.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Of course Albanisi has said some pretty horrible things about
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump as well, so it's a bit embarrassing for
48:03
Speaker 3: all concerned. I would have thought, now, Sophie, I've congratulated
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Speaker 3: you previously in the past, but we've got to go
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Speaker 3: public with your exciting news.
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Speaker 1: Now you're going to be leading us here.
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Speaker 3: In OZ and heading over to London to cover all
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Speaker 3: sorts of issues be a correspondent for news corps in London.
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Speaker 3: So congrats on the role and tell our viewers what
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Speaker 3: you're going to be up to.
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Speaker 21: I'm so excited, Chris. Yes, I'm heading off to London
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Speaker 21: soon and I'll be the UK correspondent for the tabloids,
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Speaker 21: so the Daily Telegraph, herold Son, Career Mail advertiser and
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Speaker 21: of course, Chris, I'll still be coming to you from
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Speaker 21: Sky News, so I'll be looking forward to informing all
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Speaker 21: of our viewers of what's happening in the UK.
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Speaker 1: That's the best thing about it, Sophie.
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Speaker 3: We'll still get to have you here on the Kenny
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Speaker 3: Report alive from London or maybe even pre recorded from London.
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Speaker 3: Will work all that out, but congratulngratulations again on the job,
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Speaker 3: very well deserved.
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Speaker 1: Then, can't wait to catch up with you from the
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Speaker 1: old Dart.
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Speaker 3: Great stuff, So feel's worth there. Who's going to be
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Speaker 3: the news corporate correspondent in London. I want to just
49:08
Speaker 3: share some of your feedback from what I had to
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Speaker 3: say last week with the correlation between the US election
49:12
Speaker 3: result and what's happening here in federal politics. I've talked
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Speaker 3: about it again tonight and once gone news viewer Anthony says,
49:19
Speaker 3: Anthony Albineasy is the Kamala Harris of Australia that you go.
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Speaker 3: Eric says, after usually supporting Labor in Queensland elections, I
49:27
Speaker 3: voted for the LMP this time to show the PM
49:30
Speaker 3: a message by and another viewer says, the entire Western.
49:34
Speaker 1: World is sick of woke and climate change.
49:37
Speaker 3: There's something in that, so we'll keep on that and
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Speaker 3: I think Peter Peter Dutton has seen the lesson and
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Speaker 3: will heed it. Thanks so much for joining us. I'll
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Speaker 3: see you tomorrow night at five o'clock. He is Peter
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Speaker 3: Quidlin